I'm going to ask you a question.
Katie McManusWhy can't I be successful?
Katie McManusHi, I'm Katie McManus, business strategist and money mindset coach, and welcome to the OUI cast.
Katie McManusThere's this great tool that you can use for creating content, and it's called answerthepublic.com you can pay for a membership and you can do as many searches as you want, or you can use their free membership.
Katie McManusIt's fine.
Katie McManusYou just are limited to how many searches you can do.
Katie McManusBut basically what you can do is you can put in keywords like business coach or social media or HR consultant, anything that has to do with what you do for your clients, and it'll come up with the most commonly asked questions on Google and how they're phrased and what are the questions that are asked, and you can actually take those questions and use them as content.
Katie McManusAnd this is actually not even the point of this episode, but I shared this with you because I want to talk about this, because I was using this tool to frame up some of the ways that we look at success as a concept in the wrong way.
Katie McManusI was using this tool to see what kinds of questions get asked about how to be successful.
Katie McManusSo I put in the search criteria, be successful.
Katie McManusAnd some of the questions that came out that have a very, very high score for being asked are, can I be successful in life?
Katie McManusCan you be successful without college?
Katie McManusHow to be successful in life, how to be successful in business, how to be successful in college, how to be successful in school?
Katie McManusWhen will I be successful in life?
Katie McManusWhen will I be successful in general?
Katie McManusOh, this one I love.
Katie McManusWhen will I be successful?
Katie McManusAstrology.
Katie McManusI don't know if that means that they're, like, wanting to be an astrologer or if they're, like, wondering if, like, there's something in their stars that are going to mean success coming up.
Katie McManusAnd along that vein, which zodiac signs will be successful?
Katie McManusWhy are businesses successful?
Katie McManusWhy can't I be successful?
Katie McManusAnd I think we've all asked this question before.
Katie McManusWhy can't I be successful?
Katie McManusAnd it's usually after a failure.
Katie McManusIt's usually after something didn't work out, or maybe we were even just too chicken to try.
Katie McManusAnd I think we're asking the wrong questions when we're asking about success.
Katie McManusBecause to ask how to be successful, you have to first understand what the definition of success is.
Katie McManusAnd that's different from person to person.
Katie McManusAnd a lot of people have never actually thought about what their own definition of success is.
Katie McManusWe just Kind of take at face value that being successful, quote, unquote, is about how much money you have or how big your house is or how fancy a car you drive.
Katie McManusWe connect being successful with, you know, what university did you go to?
Katie McManusWas it an Ivy League?
Katie McManusDo you have an advanced degree in business?
Katie McManusWe talk about how successful people are by how much money they make and maybe what kinds of clients they have and how good their branding is and all that jazz.
Katie McManusIn relationships, we even assign success.
Katie McManusPeople who are married are deemed successful in their relationships, when I know a lot of married people who would not necessarily agree with that.
Katie McManusWe assign success in so many areas of our life.
Katie McManusBut is it your definition of success or is it this kind of, like, amorphous society definition that it looks a very particular way?
Katie McManusMy definition of success recently changed.
Katie McManusAnd this has actually been almost like the North Pole shifted in the world for me.
Katie McManusAnd it happened when I realized that I no longer wanted to follow my ideal self.
Katie McManusI no longer wanted to turn to this idealized version of Katie in my mind to see, okay, well, what's the next rung up for success?
Katie McManusLike, what's the next win I should be going for?
Katie McManusIt shifted when I started looking at my favorite self.
Katie McManusWhat is my favorite self?
Katie McManusWho is she?
Katie McManusWhat does she like?
Katie McManusWhat does she enjoy being?
Katie McManusWhat does she enjoy doing, and how does she see success?
Katie McManusI want to go into that deeper in a moment.
Katie McManusBut first and foremost, we need to bust a myth about success.
Katie McManusOftentimes people think of success and they associate it with how much money you make, and it becomes this.
Katie McManusEither or.
Katie McManusYou can either be successful and wealthy, or you can do good in the world.
Katie McManusIt's almost like we've all internalized this whole model, you know, created by the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, where if you wanted to become a nun or a priest or a monk, you know, to enter the church, you had to give up all of your worldly possessions.
Katie McManusYou had to release any claim, you had to property.
Katie McManusYou had to donate all of your clothes, all of the things that you hold dear.
Katie McManusWe've taken that model and we're like, yeah, absolutely, that's how we should do it if we want to really be a good person in the world.
Katie McManusWe want to make a difference.
Katie McManusWe want to help others.
Katie McManusWe also have to be poor, completely discounting the fact that the Catholic Church is like, what, a trillion dollar institution?
Katie McManusLike, in real estate, in money, in artifacts that they own.
Katie McManusI mean, the paintings that are in the Vatican Museum alone create a massive fortune.
Katie McManusSo if you were to give up all your possessions back in the day and go and essentially work for the Catholic Church, you'd have your housing covered, you'd have food covered.
Katie McManusYou'd basically have all of the needs that you have as a human being covered in the here and now.
Katie McManusIf you want to be a helper and you have this paradigm that you can either be a good person and donate your time and have a real impact on others and make a difference, we have this belief that you have to do so while poor, you know, forgetting that we don't have this institution taking care of us.
Katie McManusAnd also, that's not true.
Katie McManusAbsolutely not true.
Katie McManusYou do not need to be poor.
Katie McManusYou do not need to struggle.
Katie McManusCan you spare some change if you want to make a difference in this world?
Katie McManusIt's not an either or.
Katie McManusIt can be both.
Katie McManusAnd actually, when you make it both, things get so much easier.
Katie McManusFew of the things that I've really explored with this whole model of the favorite self is like, what does my favorite self love doing?
Katie McManusAnd what does she want more time to do?
Katie McManusAnd a few of the things that came up is running my nonprofit, the Gay Birthday Club, which is about to launch.
Katie McManusI'm really excited for it and getting involved politically.
Katie McManusNot running for office, don't worry, I'm not.
Katie McManusI don't think I could handle that.
Katie McManusBut supporting others who are.
Katie McManusWho are running for office, volunteering, helping them strategize, doing marketing for them.
Katie McManusAnd let me tell you, when I first had the idea of my nonprofit, I played small.
Katie McManusI talked to a bunch of people.
Katie McManusI felt out the idea.
Katie McManusI bought some books on Amazon on how to start a nonprofit.
Katie McManusI then felt really guilty that I had these books, books lying around my house and I wasn't reading them.
Katie McManusAnd I started doing some research online.
Katie McManusI got really overwhelmed until I finally said, no, no, no, no.
Katie McManusLike, this is not working.
Katie McManusIf I want to make this happen, I have to make this happen.
Katie McManusAnd I'm not making this happen by trying to figure it out on my own.
Katie McManusSo I did what I do best.
Katie McManusI threw some money at the problem.
Katie McManusI asked my incredible lawyer, David Freyman, to find an attorney that he could refer me to because it's not his specialty, to help me set up a nonprofit.
Katie McManusBy the way, there are very few lawyers who do this.
Katie McManusIt took him months to find someone.
Katie McManusAnd not.
Katie McManusNot because he wasn't doing it, because literally there are so few attorneys who do this.
Katie McManusSo if you're an attorney and you want to do something that there's need for, you know, you might think about that niche, but money made it easier to get started, right?
Katie McManusBecause attorneys cost money, and especially for a nonprofit that's not designed to make money.
Katie McManusAnd I will be able to pay myself back for what I've invested so far.
Katie McManusIt's not, it's probably not going to happen anytime soon, but I'm, I'm years ahead of where I would be if I were trying to figure it out on my own.
Katie McManusAnd actually, like, let's talk about this.
Katie McManusMy favorite self wants to make a difference.
Katie McManusShe wants to make sure that everyone knows that they are loved and celebrated, especially on their birthdays.
Katie McManusAnd she's so excited for this idea of the gay Birthday club, where folks in the LGBTQ community can sign up to get a phone call on their birthday singing them Happy birthday, Happy birthday to you.
Katie McManusAnd I could have absolutely spent another six months to a year trying to figure it out on my own, second guessing myself, trying stuff, getting it wrong, filling out forms, having them sent back.
Katie McManusAnd here's what would have happened.
Katie McManusMost likely, I would have given up.
Katie McManusIn business, you'll hear this phrase kicked around a lot, because it's true.
Katie McManusTime kills deals.
Katie McManusIf you're in a sales process with someone and too much time goes by, the chance that they are going to say yes and sign on the dotted line and pay, the money goes down dramatically.
Katie McManusAnd just like time kills deals, time also kills ideas.
Katie McManusYou may have an incredible idea for some kind of good initiative that you want to put out in the world, but if too much time goes by from having the idea to actually making it real, you're going to lose interest, you're going to lose the energy in it.
Katie McManusYou're not like the goose is going to get juiced and there's not going to be any left.
Katie McManusLove that saying.
Katie McManusAgain, my Canadian listeners, if you know if that's a Canadian saying or just that one person who shows up to my Brave Biz lab calls who says it from time to time, I want to know.
Katie McManusIt's easier to have a massive impact on the world and to help people and to really make a difference when you have money, when you make lots of money.
Katie McManusWhen I did some reflection with my favorite self on what I really want my business to be, this podcast to be, and the rest of my life to be, everything revolved around being the help that others need.
Katie McManusAnd here's the beauty of it.
Katie McManusYou can have a business that helps other people that makes you lots of money.
Katie McManusYou could then use some of that money to start a nonprofit that helps lots of people and has an impact and hopefully at some point become something that exists separate from you so you don't have to put too much time and effort into it long term unless.
Katie McManusUnless you really want to.
Katie McManusWhen you make more money, you also have more freedom and flexibility to go and do other passion projects, like, for instance, getting involved in your community, maybe running for school board, or helping certain elected officials get elected in the first place.
Katie McManusBecause you believe in what they stand for, you can donate to causes that matter to you.
Katie McManusHell, I mean, if your idea of success is you want to go to Costa Rica for two months out of the year and go surfing, guess what makes that a lot easier?
Katie McManusHaving a business that is successful in making lots of money.
Katie McManusSo all those people who are Googling, how do I be successful in my business?
Katie McManusHow do I be successful in my life?
Katie McManusThe answers they're getting are not useful.
Katie McManusRight?
Katie McManusBecause how does Google know what your definition of success is?
Katie McManusIt doesn't.
Katie McManusIt has no way of knowing that at the point that artificial intelligence gets to the stage where it can read your mind and understand what you mean.
Katie McManusI mean, I think we have some bigger things to worry about.
Katie McManusBut when we ask questions like that, when we ask for guidance without understanding what we're trying to get to, we're actually keeping ourselves small.
Katie McManusRight.
Katie McManusIt's kind of like imagine you live in Boston and you want to drive to California and you go up to someone and you say, hi, can you give me directions?
Katie McManusI'd like to go somewhere.
Katie McManusThey may think that you want to go to New York.
Katie McManusThey'll give you directions to New York, you'll get to New York and you'll go up to someone else and say, hi, can you give me directions?
Katie McManusAnd they'll give you directions to their favorite bagel shop.
Katie McManusBecause it's New York.
Katie McManusWhy the fuck would you want to go anywhere else?
Katie McManusThis is the greatest city in the world.
Katie McManusThat's how New Yorkers think.
Katie McManusThey're not wrong.
Katie McManusAlso, who doesn't love a good bagel?
Katie McManusBut when you explicitly understand, I want to go to California, I need to start asking about going to California.
Katie McManusYou start asking and some people won't know.
Katie McManusSome people didn't pay attention in geography class.
Katie McManusThey didn't have a geography teacher who was as strict as Mrs.
Katie McManusBarker was.
Katie McManusBingo.
Katie McManusIt's funny, I still see her power walking sometimes in my hometown.
Katie McManusShe wasn't one of the most traumatizing teachers, but she wasn't not one of the traumatizing teachers that I had.
Katie McManusI think one of the main reasons why we don't get specific about how we want to be successful is because we're secretly ashamed of what our definition of success is.
Katie McManusAnd.
Katie McManusAnd a lot of this goes into what have we been taught to believe about money.
Katie McManusWe've been given so many different examples of how people who have lots of monies are actually the villains.
Katie McManusI mean, let's talk about Cruella Deville for a second.
Katie McManusShe's massively successful.
Katie McManusShe is a fashion icon.
Katie McManusAnd while I'm sure she could have afforded to buy 101 purebred Dalmatians if she wanted, she instead opted to pay two gangsters to go and steal them and hide them out in a house that I abandoned, house that I'm sure she owns.
Katie McManusAnd she's a terrible driver.
Katie McManusShe can afford the insurance costs for her terrible driving and for repairing her own car all the time.
Katie McManusAnd I imagine there's also some paying off of the police, because really, I mean, with the amount of accidents that she for sure has, there's no way her insurance would actually keep her insured if the police were actually telling them that she was getting driving points.
Katie McManusFor a real life example, Elon Musk.
Katie McManusIf we're looking for a real life villain, you don't really have to look much further than him.
Katie McManusHe screwed over most of his employees and every single business he has ever owned.
Katie McManusHe's claimed that he founded businesses that he actually did not found.
Katie McManusHe just bought them after they'd already been started.
Katie McManusAnd he's dug a lot of them into the ground, claiming that he's trying to do better for the world.
Katie McManusBut there's been scant evidence that that's true.
Katie McManusJust leave it there.
Katie McManusWhen we have these models of people who are really wealthy who are doing terrible things, who are just terrible people, we start associating.
Katie McManusOh, my God.
Katie McManusIf you have money, you must be terrible, right?
Katie McManusAnd so our subconscious learns this from a very, very young age.
Katie McManusAnd we start associating.
Katie McManusOkay, well, you know, I don't want to be like that.
Katie McManusSo what are the attributes of someone who is truly evil?
Katie McManusOh, well, they all seem to have a lot of money.
Katie McManusCool.
Katie McManusSo I won't do that.
Katie McManusI also, you know, won't do this thing and this thing and this thing and this thing.
Katie McManusAnd our moral guidance system kind of gets confused, right?
Katie McManusWe start associating stuff with evil that isn't necessarily evil.
Katie McManusIt's just kind of a coincidence that this evil person also happens to be wealthy, you know, in my very first sales job, I had to learn how to ask for a lot of money, right?
Katie McManusMore money than I had ever asked for in my life because I'd never worked in sales before.
Katie McManusAnd I'll never forget my now best friend, then just plain old coworker, Jessica Nobriga.
Katie McManusWe were talking about money and like, our beliefs around it.
Katie McManusAnd she said, you know, money at its heart just makes you more of who you are.
Katie McManusAnd I love that because, you know, if you're a truly good person, money just makes you a better person.
Katie McManusIt makes you better able to do things that makes a real difference in the world.
Katie McManusSo as you're thinking about your definition of success, if there's any ickiness around money, a, that's a sign that you need to do some really serious money work.
Katie McManusAnd I hope you have fun with that.
Katie McManusAnd if you need any guidance, that's one of the things that I work on with my clients.
Katie McManusYou also have to start finding better models for people who have lots of money, who are doing good things.
Katie McManusAnd yes, I am talking about Taylor Swift.
Katie McManusI've lost count of how much money she has donated to different food banks, every, in every location she's done, her ERAS tour, the amount of money she's given to hurricane victims, and just the general good work that she does and how kind she is in her work and in her interactions with her fans.
Katie McManusBecause once you start unpacking what your beliefs are around money and your fears about what having lots of money will mean about you, and you start shifting the narrative that having more money will allow you to be a better, more influential person who makes a bigger difference in the world, the shame around your own definition of success starts dissipating.
Katie McManusRight?
Katie McManusImagine, and maybe you don't have to imagine.
Katie McManusMaybe this is absolutely true for you.
Katie McManusYou have a definition of success that says you need to make lots of money, you need to have a big house, you need to have all these things, and you secretly think, well, that would make me a terrible person.
Katie McManusAre you actually going to go for it?
Katie McManusProbably not, because it's going to be completely incongruent with who you see yourself as.
Katie McManusYou're not going to feel aligned to it because that's not who you are.
Katie McManusBut when you shift it to say, okay, yeah, I want lots of money and I want a big house so that I can host really amazing fundraising parties for the causes that I care about.
Katie McManusAnd with the money that I have, I want to be able to donate to these causes.
Katie McManusI want to be able to start my own nonprofit.
Katie McManusI want to be able to do this and this and this and this and really make a difference in the world.
Katie McManusAnd that feels in alignment with who you are at your core.
Katie McManusNow, that's a definition of success that you will be fearless in going after.
Katie McManusBut babes, it's not an either or.
Katie McManusYou don't have to set sacrifice having what you want to be who you want.
Katie McManusYou can have them both.
Katie McManusAnd actually, when you give yourself permission to go after them both, they both become a ton easier to get to.
Katie McManusAnd if you're not sure what your definition of success is, if you've just taken the definition as it's been given to you from the world around you, and this is kind of your first foray into even questioning if that's right for you, here's a great journal question to ask yourself, and it is a little morbid.
Katie McManusI want you to write your own eulogy.
Katie McManusI want you to imagine that you are dead as a doornail maybe, and hopefully this is in the future.
Katie McManusIt's not right now.
Katie McManusSo I want you to imagine we are in the future.
Katie McManusYou've lived a long life.
Katie McManusYou've done all the things that you wanted to do.
Katie McManusYou've had the impact that you wanted to have.
Katie McManusYou've had really, really incredible relationships.
Katie McManusAnd then you died.
Katie McManusYou're dead.
Katie McManusAnd everyone who's ever known you is showing up at the funeral and someone stands up and gives a eulogy.
Katie McManusWhat are they saying about you?
Katie McManusWhat are the key moments that they remember that they want to bring up in this final conversation about you?
Katie McManusWhat's the impact they want to acknowledge?
Katie McManusOr what are the quirky, fun loving bits that you want them to highlight?
Katie McManusIt may not make sense right away, but buried in there is your definition of success.
Katie McManusAnd once you have that answer of what you want people to say about you after you're dead, you can reverse engineer it into what your definition for success is, which then you can reverse engineer that into what you need to be doing right now to make sure that that eulogy gets read.
Katie McManusAnd please, for the love of dog, stop asking Google for life advice.
Katie McManusI'm having so much more fun.
Katie McManusI'm feeling like more energy in this.