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Speaker:Welcome to another episode of "Box Press."
Speaker:I'm your host, Rob Gagner.
Speaker:- And I'm your other host, Nate Beck.
Speaker:- Oh man, this week, this past week,
Speaker:I was outta town, Nate was outta town.
Speaker:- Yep.
Speaker:- I was in Nashville and New York for kind of some,
Speaker:I'll give you guys a little bit of a teaser.
Speaker:There's a lot of history in cigars in America,
Speaker:and as I keep digging, it gets deeper and deeper and deeper,
Speaker:as to how much we actually have created
Speaker:in this beautiful nation right here.
Speaker:I was on halfwheel earlier and smoking bans
Speaker:and all these things coming to light,
Speaker:and bans on flavored cigars and all that stuff,
Speaker:but, man, we made a lot of cigars back in the early 1900s
Speaker:and there's a ton of history about it.
Speaker:So, just-
Speaker:- Yeah, especially with New York City is one,
Speaker:Montana is one.
Speaker:- It kinda just like follows the railroad all the way out.
Speaker:- Pennsylvania, yeah.
Speaker:- Just amazing.
Speaker:And then too, in Nashville,
Speaker:I was actually able to see some of the farms
Speaker:where they grow the tobacco and meet some of the farmers,
Speaker:and it's not easy for them and it's a laborious project.
Speaker:I mean, like, a lot.
Speaker:And then the way that they fire cure some of the tobacco,
Speaker:unbelievable.
Speaker:It's a dying trade.
Speaker:- Did you get to smell any of that fire-cured stuff
Speaker:while they were doing it?
Speaker:- They weren't doing it
Speaker:because the plants haven't even gotten into the ground yet.
Speaker:But we went into the barns
Speaker:and you could smell the wood.
Speaker:But I thought as soon as I got into the barn
Speaker:it'd be like way overpowering,
Speaker:not at all.
Speaker:- Real subtle?
Speaker:- Real subtle, and almost it goes away as you're in it.
Speaker:It was a very unique experience.
Speaker:- That's awesome.
Speaker:- Very cool.
Speaker:Even how they fire cure it,
Speaker:they do it like two or three times
Speaker:and it takes like 12 to 24 hours,
Speaker:so they have to check it every three hours.
Speaker:And I'm like, "Holy cow, do you get any sleep?"
Speaker:It was just really cool.
Speaker:- It's like making good barbecue, it's so laborious.
Speaker:- It's the exact same thing.
Speaker:- Yeah.
Speaker:And you'd think that in both that there'd be this
Speaker:overwhelming blast of smoke but it's always more subtle
Speaker:in the best stuff like in barbecue,
Speaker:it's always kind of just enough to go,
Speaker:"Oh, that smoke is great."
Speaker:And then when it gets too much,
Speaker:"Oh, that doesn't taste very good."
Speaker:That's amazing.
Speaker:- It was very amazing.
Speaker:And like piles of sawdust.
Speaker:I didn't know they used sawdust and slabs,
Speaker:and they put the slabs underneath and the sawdust over it,
Speaker:and then they start these fires.
Speaker:It's amazing.
Speaker:- It's amazing the processes that we use
Speaker:to end up with a final ingredient
Speaker:that should be way more expensive than it is.
Speaker:When my wife and I were in...
Speaker:We have family in Nashville,
Speaker:and we decided to go tour a distillery.
Speaker:And the closest one if I'm not mistaken is Jack Daniel's.
Speaker:They literally will burn through,
Speaker:I think if we did the math correctly,
Speaker:like about, let's say for the sake of argument
Speaker:each stack of wood is somewhere between $3,000 and $5,000,
Speaker:just for the maple.
Speaker:And they stack it with all these
Speaker:kinda like a giant Jenga pile.
Speaker:Each piece of wood is like 2x2, something like that.
Speaker:And they put them under these giant open smokestacks,
Speaker:and they tip them together and then they light them on fire.
Speaker:And they have two or three guys
Speaker:that their only job is to manage that fire,
Speaker:so it burns down just perfectly with the right size chunks,
Speaker:so that Jack Daniel's whiskey can be filtered, each batch
Speaker:through 10 feet of that charcoal.
Speaker:That's their full-time job.
Speaker:- Wow.
Speaker:- Yet you go to a liquor store
Speaker:and what's a bottle of Jack Daniel's?
Speaker:I don't know, 25 bucks, 20 bucks, maybe?
Speaker:- Right.
Speaker:- Super cheap.
Speaker:And all that wood is only there
Speaker:to filter through as charcoal.
Speaker:And then some of it
Speaker:they filter through another like four or five feet.
Speaker:- Wow.
Speaker:- Isn't that crazy?
Speaker:- Unbelievable.
Speaker:- Like it mellows it out, it takes out the impurities.
Speaker:So it's like a charcoal filter you'd get in, I don't know,
Speaker:water bottles I'm sure have that,
Speaker:they'll have charcoal filters.
Speaker:It's just crazy.
Speaker:And then you'd think it would be so much more expensive
Speaker:and it's just not.
Speaker:It's unbelievable.
Speaker:- Very unique.
Speaker:And then you were in Texas this week.
Speaker:- I was in Texas.
Speaker:I was down in Dallas and Houston for eight days
Speaker:for the Casa de Montecristo Texas Cigar Festival.
Speaker:I believe in its original state
Speaker:it was an event put on by Serious Cigars,
Speaker:and that's now a Casa De Montecristo Lounge.
Speaker:So got to see a bunch of great vendors and cigar reps
Speaker:and interact with a bunch of cool people
Speaker:that were out there for the event.
Speaker:Of course, the entire week,
Speaker:the temperature was about mid-70s, no humidity.
Speaker:It was perfect.
Speaker:Saturday the event, 90 degrees and 90% humidity.
Speaker:- Weeeee.
Speaker:- Yippee.
Speaker:- Yeah, man, cooking.
Speaker:- The next day I walk outside of my hotel
Speaker:to get into my rental car,
Speaker:72 degrees, breezy and almost no humidity.
Speaker:- Oh, wow.
Speaker:- Like what in the world is going on?
Speaker:- They just knew you guys were having that event
Speaker:so like boom, let's turn it up a notch.
Speaker:- All of us we're in this giant tent
Speaker:and it had walls up because it was supposed to rain
Speaker:so it would have kept us all dry,
Speaker:but it never ended up raining.
Speaker:And so we're all like opening up the vents
Speaker:and trying to get airflow
Speaker:because we're just sweating like crazy.
Speaker:- Kept us wet.
Speaker:- That's right.
Speaker:- It kept us sweaty and wet.
Speaker:- It was a fermentation tent.
Speaker:- It's supposed to keep out water.
Speaker:Well, there's no water coming in.
Speaker:- Does this cigar have mold on it?
Speaker:No, that's just for me.
Speaker:- Just dripping sweat all over it.
Speaker:- Swampy.
Speaker:- Let's get into the cigars we have
Speaker:because this is another continuation of what we call
Speaker:Big Brother, Little Brother,
Speaker:or you could call it Little Sister, Big Sister,
Speaker:whatever you wanna call that.
Speaker:We're looking at cigars that are obviously
Speaker:of more budget friendly versus a higher end
Speaker:or in basically,
Speaker:how do I say this?
Speaker:It's a cheaper stick versus the more expensive one.
Speaker:I mean, I don't know how to say it any other way.
Speaker:- Less money, more money.
Speaker:- You're right.
Speaker:I mean, I'm not saying it's cheap
Speaker:because it doesn't taste good
Speaker:because clearly we've been on a couple of these that
Speaker:the less expensive cigars,
Speaker:absolutely just amazing, bonkers, like really good.
Speaker:- I think on our previous episode
Speaker:we found that the less expensive option
Speaker:was really almost just as good
Speaker:as the more expensive option.
Speaker:- Yeah.
Speaker:- So we're excited for you guys to see that one
Speaker:when it comes out on Friday.
Speaker:- It's been crazy.
Speaker:What a cool experience, I hope you guys are enjoying it.
Speaker:Leave some comments down below if there's any cigars
Speaker:that you wanna see.
Speaker:Particularly what we're looking for is we're trying
Speaker:to stick within the same manufacturer, right?
Speaker:What do they have that's a budget friendly stick
Speaker:and what do they have that's more celebratory?
Speaker:So here we have Altadis or other people know them as like
Speaker:Montecristo, H. Upmann, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker:But we are definitely doing the Montecristo,
Speaker:and the Henry Clay War Hawk.
Speaker:- I love that name, the War Hawk.
Speaker:- Yeah, it's very intense.
Speaker:Henry Clay, that cigar line.
Speaker:- You know what the cigar sounds like?
Speaker:It sounds like it should be a cigar
Speaker:made for like an SEC college football team.
Speaker:Like what is it, Auburn?
Speaker:Is it Auburn that has the "War Eagle?"
Speaker:- I don't know.
Speaker:- I think it's Auburn that has the "War Eagle."
Speaker:I always think of that when I smoked the cigar.
Speaker:Is it Auburn?
Speaker:Bingo, nailed it.
Speaker:- It says Tigers.
Speaker:- Yeah, but they have the like look up, college football.
Speaker:- "War Eagle," there it.
Speaker:Fly work.
Speaker:- I think isn't that their chant or something?
Speaker:Yeah, so the Auburn Tigers they have,
Speaker:I forget the reasoning behind it
Speaker:but one of their symbols is the "War Eagle."
Speaker:- Got it.
Speaker:- So I was thinking that when I smoked this cigar.
Speaker:And for anyone that is a fan of Lanceros or Lonsdales,
Speaker:this cigar comes in a Lonsdale size that is exclusive
Speaker:to a shop down in Houston that I just spent
Speaker:a considerable amount of time at,
Speaker:Stogies World Class Cigars.
Speaker:The owner, Jorge, is a huge fan of Lanceros.
Speaker:In fact, he's got an entire row of Lanceros.
Speaker:And it's one of his favorite cigars,
Speaker:he smokes several every day.
Speaker:It's fantastic.
Speaker:- Yeah, so the "War Eagle Battle Cry".
Speaker:You were right.
Speaker:It's not the mascot or anything like that.
Speaker:Most popular legend about the battle cry
Speaker:dates back to the first time Auburn met Georgia
Speaker:on the football field in 1892.
Speaker:- Holy cow.
Speaker:- And it centers on the spectator
Speaker:who was a Civil War veteran.
Speaker:All right, so-
Speaker:- There you go.
Speaker:- It's amazing.
Speaker:Even more history, 1892.
Speaker:- I call that my Cliff Clavin vault of useless information.
Speaker:- It's so true, so true.
Speaker:- I'm the ringer you want on a bar trivia team.
Speaker:- Oh my gosh, yes.
Speaker:- I usually do pretty okay.
Speaker:- Oh, I bet.
Speaker:Well, the War Hawk, the Henry Clay War Hawk
Speaker:and the Montecristo Classic,
Speaker:both come in with a Connecticut Shade.
Speaker:They're saying that the War Hawk
Speaker:is the Ecuadorian Connecticut.
Speaker:And the Montecristo just says, select Connecticut Shade.
Speaker:So I don't know what that means, as far as country
Speaker:of origin.
Speaker:- Maybe it's the bougier version of Connecticut Shade.
Speaker:- Must be.
Speaker:In the notes it says the highest grade
Speaker:Connecticut Shade wrapper combined
Speaker:with the finest Dominican binders.
Speaker:Here's what sets it off for me.
Speaker:The binder in the Henry Clay War Hawk is actually broadleaf,
Speaker:which gives you that punch.
Speaker:- Really?
Speaker:- Yes.
Speaker:And I was actually, I was like, oh wow, binder broadleaf?
Speaker:Didn't know that.
Speaker:But I see that's kinda where
Speaker:that strength of that flavor comes from.
Speaker:- I had this conversation just last week.
Speaker:A lot of the Altadis, General,
Speaker:a lot of the big producers that make a lot of these
Speaker:older core line cigars.
Speaker:Henry Clay, Montecristo, Romeo y Julieta,
Speaker:what would be some General core line cigars?
Speaker:- Partagas, Cohiba.
Speaker:- Bolivar.
Speaker:Some of those, they are really fantastic cigars
Speaker:so don't sleep on these.
Speaker:They're making some really good stuff.
Speaker:Very consistent, high quality.
Speaker:- Consistency is key.
Speaker:As I've continued to see factories
Speaker:or see the way people make cigars it's like
Speaker:unbelievable how they can try to keep consistency,
Speaker:it's just unbelievable.
Speaker:- Well, like this War Hawk.
Speaker:We talk about like you can get
Speaker:a little squeeze right down by the cherry
Speaker:because that's where the tobacco is the warmest.
Speaker:But it's firm construction, easy draw.
Speaker:You know how much I love, Rob, that clean cut at the top
Speaker:where it's just like glass
Speaker:and both cigars are just well-filled.
Speaker:- Yeah, looking at both of these I mean,
Speaker:neither one sticks out to be more veiny than the other.
Speaker:Both of them the color is great.
Speaker:Hats off to the team over at Altadis
Speaker:for just making consistently great cigars.
Speaker:The Montecristo, though, with that being said,
Speaker:I think is the milder of the two.
Speaker:It's Dominican.
Speaker:- It's a little more fragrant.
Speaker:Like it has a little more of that subtle
Speaker:baking spice almost on the aroma coming off the foot.
Speaker:- Yeah, for me it's a very mild easygoing cigar.
Speaker:If you heat it up too quickly or over smoke it,
Speaker:in my opinion, it would get too bitter.
Speaker:- Creamy.
Speaker:- Yeah.
Speaker:- Lots of cedar which is real common in Connecticut,
Speaker:that woody kind of earthy sort of flavor
Speaker:as we were getting into these cigars
Speaker:before we started our filming today.
Speaker:This War Hawk has a little more of that
Speaker:kind of peppery retrohale that I would call this like
Speaker:a white pepper kind of a real subtle spiciness to it.
Speaker:- There's strength there.
Speaker:- Yep, and the Montecristo doesn't have that.
Speaker:It's much softer retrohale.
Speaker:I'm wondering if that's due in large part to the broad leaf
Speaker:because that can add a lot of some punch.
Speaker:- Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker:The Henry Clay rose to
Speaker:Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives
Speaker:in the early 1800s.
Speaker:And was known above all as a staunch U.S. Nationalist.
Speaker:Clay believed strongly that the military force
Speaker:was the only opinion left to fight British imperiousness.
Speaker:- Basically that's like elitist.
Speaker:Imposing their will on.
Speaker:I think if that's right imposing their will on people.
Speaker:Let's look up imperious.
Speaker:- Imperiousness.
Speaker:- Let's consult the Google.
Speaker:- Okay. The term War Hawk was coined
Speaker:and now used in political circles to describe
Speaker:one who favors war as an ultimate resolution of conflict.
Speaker:The Henry Clay War Hawk is a dedication to Henry Clay's
Speaker:lasting influence.
Speaker:The War Hawk cigar is aptly named,
Speaker:because it's a bit rebellious and strong.
Speaker:- So here is imperious,
Speaker:assuming power or authority without justification,
Speaker:arrogant and domineering.
Speaker:- There you go.
Speaker:- There you go.
Speaker:Did you say he was the Speaker of the House
Speaker:or of the U.S. House of Representatives?
Speaker:- Yeah, it says Henry Clay rose to
Speaker:speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives.
Speaker:- Anytime I think about like a political speaker
Speaker:all I can envision in my brain is
Speaker:the scene from "Kindergarten Cop"
Speaker:when they're all reciting the Gettysburg Address.
Speaker:- Fourscore and seven years ago.
Speaker:- Fourscore and seven years ago.
Speaker:- That's the extent of my political know how.
Speaker:- We could go down the rabbit hole of some
Speaker:"Kindergarten Cop" quotes but they may not be
Speaker:camera friendly for this format.
Speaker:But you all know what I'm talking about.
Speaker:- Arnold, good old Arnold.
Speaker:- Take a toy and sit on the carpet.
Speaker:- I'm a police man, not a princess.
Speaker:- Take a toy and sit on the carpet.
Speaker:- I'm a princess.
Speaker:- Sit on the carpet.
Speaker:- Okay.
Speaker:(both laughing)
Speaker:Oh boy, good movies.
Speaker:- I love that movie.
Speaker:And all of you know which lines from that movie
Speaker:I'm talking about if you've seen the movie.
Speaker:I will hold back even though it's killing me to not-
Speaker:- Not say them.
Speaker:Sensor on.
Speaker:- Keeping it inside.
Speaker:- So as we're kind of getting into these,
Speaker:which one are you kind of favoring right now?
Speaker:- Having smoked both of these before
Speaker:or on more than one occasion,
Speaker:I'm a big fan of this Henry Clay War Hawk.
Speaker:- Me too.
Speaker:There's something about it that just
Speaker:the flavor kind of hits more.
Speaker:- It's got complexity,
Speaker:it's got this nice spice on the retrohale,
Speaker:which I really dig.
Speaker:It's creamy.
Speaker:Has a nice kind of that woody cedary component
Speaker:that we were talking about earlier.
Speaker:- I'm trying to look up the MSRP on these.
Speaker:- I would actually really enjoy this
Speaker:as a first cigar of the day, the War Hawk.
Speaker:But this Montecristo Classic series,
Speaker:I would love this cigar after a really nice
Speaker:like farm-to-table dinner.
Speaker:Like I struggle sometimes Rob
Speaker:because you and I really enjoy restaurants
Speaker:that cater to or specialize in,
Speaker:I guess you could call it New American farm-to-table.
Speaker:Basically restaurants that do really elegant
Speaker:or chefed up treatments of not only proteins,
Speaker:but also vegetables.
Speaker:And I think some of the coolest things I've eaten
Speaker:in the last five years have been vegetable dishes.
Speaker:They're just really special.
Speaker:There's a local restaurant here in the Twin Cities
Speaker:called The Bungalow Club.
Speaker:And there's a group of us that used to meet
Speaker:on their patio every Wednesday and have cigars.
Speaker:And so I took my wife and kids there
Speaker:and my wife and I had been there before.
Speaker:And the kitchen sent out some extras
Speaker:and one of the things they sent out was
Speaker:a Brussels sprouts dish,
Speaker:and it was brussels sprouts with chili honey
Speaker:and blue cheese.
Speaker:And my kids took a bite before I did.
Speaker:And my 18-year-old daughter says,
Speaker:"What sorcery did they do to these brussels sprouts?"
Speaker:And I'm like, "Oh, all right."
Speaker:Well, I grabbed the brussels sprouts, take a bite.
Speaker:And I'm like, "Holy crap, this is amazing."
Speaker:I don't know how Andrew,
Speaker:the chef and owner of that restaurant,
Speaker:I don't know what he did to those,
Speaker:but good Lord, one of the most interesting bites of food
Speaker:I've had in a long time.
Speaker:Really exceptional.
Speaker:- That is so exciting, too.
Speaker:- So if you're ever in Minneapolis, Bungalow Club.
Speaker:- If you can take something that seems so just regular
Speaker:and then just kind of amp it up a little bit
Speaker:so that you're like I've never had it that way,
Speaker:it's so enjoyable.
Speaker:- Well, and I think that's what's cool is that
Speaker:everyone knows you can do really cool things with a steak.
Speaker:Very simple treatment to make a steak taste amazing.
Speaker:There's Wagyu and Kobe and prime beef
Speaker:and grass-fed and corn-fed.
Speaker:I mean, there's all these things.
Speaker:But vegetables often are sort of,
Speaker:less so nowadays, than in years past
Speaker:but vegetables were always an add-on.
Speaker:I remember as a kid there was always a bowl
Speaker:of some type of vegetables with an ice cube
Speaker:sitting on top.
Speaker:So it would kind of melt and make them a little bit chilled.
Speaker:Because like if you've ever purchased a bag of whole carrots
Speaker:from the grocery store,
Speaker:you know they're a little dry in the outside
Speaker:and then they sit in your refrigerator
Speaker:and they don't taste all that great.
Speaker:So evidently that was my mom's way of like
Speaker:adding some moisture to them
Speaker:or making them taste a little bit better.
Speaker:Nowadays you can go to a restaurant
Speaker:and the vegetables I think are oftentimes
Speaker:way more interesting than the proteins.
Speaker:Because you have to be more attentive
Speaker:to bring out all the nuance and flavor
Speaker:in something that's maybe a little more humble.
Speaker:- $293 box of 20.
Speaker:- So what is that?
Speaker:Just under 15 bucks of cigar at retail
Speaker:for the Montecristo, right?
Speaker:- Yeah.
Speaker:$293 divided by 20.
Speaker:- $14?
Speaker:- Yeah, $14.65 is what the calculator is spiting out.
Speaker:- And then depending on where you buy it
Speaker:I'm sure you can get it on sale somewhere.
Speaker:- Oh, sure.
Speaker:And the War Hawk-
Speaker:- And taxes will factor into that
Speaker:depending on where you live.
Speaker:- Is sitting right around 8 bucks.
Speaker:So you're looking at again, a double almost,
Speaker:like you can buy two of the War Hawks
Speaker:for one of the Classic.
Speaker:- I think kind of like our episode previous to this one.
Speaker:So that will have been out for a couple of weeks
Speaker:when this one airs.
Speaker:Both our previous and this one I'm super happy with
Speaker:both the Little Brother and the Big Brother
Speaker:or the Little Sister, Big Sister.
Speaker:Both are excellent.
Speaker:You've got a $8, this Henry Clay War Hawk, $8 stick,
Speaker:maybe $9 stick, pardon me.
Speaker:And then you've got this $14 to $15 stick.
Speaker:Both are excellent.
Speaker:Like this one is a little more polished.
Speaker:I just really think this would be amazing.
Speaker:If you could in your home like they used to
Speaker:in the old Westerns and the old like
Speaker:kind of Victorian era movies,
Speaker:the men would retire.
Speaker:I say everyone should retire to the smoking room
Speaker:and we all light up.
Speaker:Men, women, all of it.
Speaker:Put the kids to bed.
Speaker:- Yeah, right.
Speaker:- With no stress just go upstairs, go to sleep.
Speaker:- Oh, I know.
Speaker:And I love being able to just do it right at the table,
Speaker:the dinner table as well.
Speaker:Nowadays it's nice,
Speaker:Very rare though that I do that.
Speaker:- It is pretty rare.
Speaker:There are a few places left in the United States
Speaker:where you can have a delicious meal
Speaker:and light up your cigar right afterwards.
Speaker:And I'm always jealous of Facebook videos,
Speaker:Instagram videos I see where they're Nicaragua, Honduras,
Speaker:the Dominican and they're just smoking at the table
Speaker:and you're like.
Speaker:- I know.
Speaker:Now that we're into this Montecristo that creaminess
Speaker:is really coming out.
Speaker:- I would say Rob, you and I talk about retrohale
Speaker:an awful lot.
Speaker:If you were looking to learn how to retrohale
Speaker:and you wanted to practice on a cigar
Speaker:that wasn't going to burn your nostrils,
Speaker:this would be right up there top of the list.
Speaker:- The Montecristo Classic series.
Speaker:- This is fantastic, right?
Speaker:- I just retrohaled it and for me when I retrohale,
Speaker:I end up pulling the smoke into my mouth,
Speaker:letting some of it out
Speaker:and then I try to push it through my nose.
Speaker:Because if I try to do all of it right away
Speaker:it just seems like it's overpowering and it's also hot.
Speaker:Gives it an opportunity to kind of cool down a little bit.
Speaker:- I noticed this at the cigar festival,
Speaker:the sales director for Plasencia Cigars.
Speaker:I watched him light up his cigar.
Speaker:And I think you and I do this a lot we...
Speaker:- Yeah, puff out your cheeks.
Speaker:- He did that and I went,
Speaker:see there, everybody that's been smoking for a while
Speaker:does that move where you puff your cheeks out
Speaker:and you let that smoke just roll around your palate.
Speaker:Hit every part of your tongue.
Speaker:Then you push a little bit out your nose,
Speaker:blow a little bit out, push a lot through your mouth
Speaker:and then some more retrohale.
Speaker:Yeah, that move right there.
Speaker:We all do that.
Speaker:- And that War Hawk, it must either be the filler
Speaker:or the binder?
Speaker:But man, does that have some intensity?
Speaker:Even already like my nose is kind of like tingly.
Speaker:Definitely not with the Classic,
Speaker:that Classic is much more smooth.
Speaker:But now I have to ask the question of
Speaker:is this a beginner cigar?
Speaker:- The Classic?
Speaker:- Any of these, beginner cigar.
Speaker:- I'd say the Classic series, the Montecristo Classic.
Speaker:Price point would maybe push it out
Speaker:of beginner category.
Speaker:But if you were someone that walked into a tobacco shop
Speaker:and wanted to learn let's say how to retrohale
Speaker:and wanted to smoke just a really well-balanced, creamy,
Speaker:smooth-smoking cigar that didn't have any burn
Speaker:on the retrohale and you were willing to spend
Speaker:a few extra dollars,
Speaker:that would be an awesome beginner cigar.
Speaker:- And how are you defining beginner cigar?
Speaker:Because I think that's the most interesting thing.
Speaker:- I think a flavor profile and a strength
Speaker:that's not gonna knock you out.
Speaker:I don't think there's anything overpowering here.
Speaker:I think it's gonna be nice and round on your palate.
Speaker:I think it'd be great to learn and practice
Speaker:how to retrohale because it's kind of a tricky move
Speaker:until you sort of get the routine of it.
Speaker:I think I would recommend this one as well,
Speaker:but if you were just starting out I would probably suggest
Speaker:just don't retrohale this until you get used to it
Speaker:a little bit because it's gonna give you some of that burn.
Speaker:- So I'm a little bit different.
Speaker:I kind of prescribe to the idea that beginner cigars
Speaker:are kind of just BS.
Speaker:Like that whole notion that you have to have
Speaker:a specific type of light cigar
Speaker:in order to enjoy it your first time.
Speaker:- I see what you're saying.
Speaker:- I think it's a miss.
Speaker:And I think I saw Rocky Patel or Nish
Speaker:or somebody over there say,
Speaker:beginner cigars like it's all you should be asking questions
Speaker:or the tobacconist should be asking questions
Speaker:or you should be asking questions yourself of like,
Speaker:what do I like to drink?
Speaker:And particularly they go towards spirits.
Speaker:If you're like a-
Speaker:- We say that a lot.
Speaker:- A bourbon guy or you really like strength and peat.
Speaker:If you're a Scotch guy
Speaker:and you're first time smoking a cigar,
Speaker:you should go straight with a War Hawk.
Speaker:Because that's gonna get you the same sensation
Speaker:on your palate of strength
Speaker:and just kind of intensity of flavor.
Speaker:I really have to say that I'm not a big fan
Speaker:of beginner cigars being Connecticut Shade
Speaker:and mild and medium.
Speaker:I think sometimes that might be
Speaker:a position where somebody might go,
Speaker:well, maybe I'm not into this cigar thing,
Speaker:if this is where I need to start.
Speaker:- Yeah, and I wouldn't call this a beginner cigar
Speaker:just because it's mellow.
Speaker:I would call it a beginner cigar just because
Speaker:it has a lot of the things I would look for
Speaker:in recommending a first-time smoke.
Speaker:Let's say you like dark chocolate,
Speaker:or you like rich cups of coffee,
Speaker:or maybe you want to go sort of yin and yang.
Speaker:You wanna do like light-flavored food
Speaker:but you want something a little bit more rich on your cigar.
Speaker:Well, you could go with a myriad of Maduro cigars
Speaker:like a Mexican San Andres that's just gonna have some of that
Speaker:Mexican hot chocolate flavors.
Speaker:- Absolutely.
Speaker:- Super balanced.
Speaker:But there are some cigars that I'll point out
Speaker:as like first-time sticks
Speaker:that I know are going to not disappoint
Speaker:and they're gonna have lots of layers of flavor
Speaker:without being less necessarily.
Speaker:Because like I think most often a beginner cigar
Speaker:you go mild, Connecticut, easy.
Speaker:But sometimes those types of flavors
Speaker:kind of like you and I found when we were infusing,
Speaker:when you were infusing cigars with whiskey
Speaker:for St. Patrick's Day.
Speaker:- Yeah.
Speaker:- A whiskey that worked really well to infuse the cigar
Speaker:didn't really taste all that great.
Speaker:It was way too light.
Speaker:It kind of had this thin, off-putting flavor.
Speaker:I think sometimes people smoke that first cigar
Speaker:and they do a light Connecticut, easy cigar
Speaker:and they're kind of unhappy with it.
Speaker:- Exactly.
Speaker:- There's nothing there.
Speaker:- Thin.
Speaker:- Yes.
Speaker:- But again, I'm smoking this Montecristo
Speaker:and I am thinking too to myself like,
Speaker:what is it about this that I like?
Speaker:And I do like that balance,
Speaker:I do like that creaminess that thinness from it.
Speaker:It's not super one-dimensional as far as like spicy
Speaker:or I always use the word astringent or strong or just sharp.
Speaker:- It's just creamy.
Speaker:- Classic is a really good name for it, it's Classic.
Speaker:It's a great cigar.
Speaker:But I could totally see somebody out there being like,
Speaker:this is not my preferred method of flavor.
Speaker:This Montecristo Classic doesn't do it enough for me.
Speaker:And then you jump to the War Hawk and it's like boom,
Speaker:it's right there.
Speaker:And then obviously Montecristo has a whole
Speaker:bunch of other lines that Altadis puts out.
Speaker:- Excuse me.
Speaker:- And I think that's the other fun thing about
Speaker:a bigger company, you got the Montecristo Platinum,
Speaker:you have the Nicaragua which is gonna be way more bold
Speaker:than this Classic.
Speaker:And then you have like the Epic,
Speaker:you have the Montecristo Espada,
Speaker:which I don't know if I'm saying that right
Speaker:but it's phenomenal cigar.
Speaker:That Espada is one of my favorites.
Speaker:- Another thing that I really tend to look for in a cigar
Speaker:if I'm recommending cigars to a newer cigar smoker,
Speaker:is I think it's helpful to recommend cigars
Speaker:that are readily available and always on the shelf
Speaker:at your local cigar shop.
Speaker:Because if they do like it,
Speaker:they can go back to that after smoking some other things
Speaker:that are maybe more limited-release or more boutique.
Speaker:Let's say they smoke a boutique cigar
Speaker:and it just knocks their socks off,
Speaker:and they go back to their shop six months later
Speaker:after smoking some other cigars and they're like,
Speaker:"Man, that one cigar was really great.
Speaker:"Do you have any more of that?"
Speaker:"Oh man, no, it was a limited-release it totally sold out."
Speaker:It's kind of nice to be able to recommend cigars
Speaker:regardless of palate or flavor profile
Speaker:that you can go back to and they're always made,
Speaker:they're always there.
Speaker:They're not going anywhere.
Speaker:- And let's talk about that stigma
Speaker:because you're always looking for the next best thing.
Speaker:Like what's new, what came out?
Speaker:I mean, that is a number one question in a tobacco shop.
Speaker:And sometimes you just kind of have to go like,
Speaker:what are the classics?
Speaker:Let me go back and revisit the classics
Speaker:because they are just bangers for sticks.
Speaker:They're just phenomenal.
Speaker:- Yeah, I had the other day, our CEO Sean Knutsen
Speaker:smokes boxes of these cigars.
Speaker:The Tatuaje Regios or any of that original,
Speaker:I think that's the Miami line,
Speaker:that classic brown Tatuaje label.
Speaker:Outstanding cigars.
Speaker:Generally always on the shelf, fantastic cigars.
Speaker:10 years ago when I was smoking more occasionally,
Speaker:I smoked pretty much exclusively the Tatuaje Noellas
Speaker:which is a little smaller than that Regios,
Speaker:little Corona cigar, was always the perfect amount of time.
Speaker:Had the right amount of pepper and spice
Speaker:and flavor profile, just very consistent.
Speaker:- Really good.
Speaker:And if you get a chance to smoke two cigars side-by-side
Speaker:that are different, it's really eyeopening.
Speaker:I encourage you to try it at least once
Speaker:and just see what you get.
Speaker:That's why we did this series is like
Speaker:the Big Brother, Little Brother series
Speaker:can be done for any cigar.
Speaker:Or you can even go outside a brand and say,
Speaker:I just want to try stuff like broadleaf,
Speaker:anything that has a broadleaf wrapper,
Speaker:I wanna try that.
Speaker:I wanna compare the two.
Speaker:I wanna see which one I like, what do I like about it?
Speaker:There's so much to this that you can play with.
Speaker:It is truly a fun, fun, fun experiment.
Speaker:- Absolutely.
Speaker:The other day when I was visiting
Speaker:some of my accounts down in Texas,
Speaker:walked into one of the shops and walked in the humidor
Speaker:to get a cigar and the gentleman running the shop said,
Speaker:"Well, what do you wanna smoke?"
Speaker:He's like, "What do you like?"
Speaker:I said, "Man, I smoke a lot of cigars
Speaker:"but I'm really feeling like Cameroon."
Speaker:So they were able to point me to a unique Cameroon
Speaker:that I hadn't had in a long time.
Speaker:And I think that's a tool that people
Speaker:need to always remember is when you walk into a cigar shop
Speaker:and that staff is willing to help,
Speaker:or there's someone in the humidor or say,
Speaker:hey, if you have any questions, come ask us.
Speaker:Ask them, tell them, hey, I really would like to try
Speaker:maybe a couple different broadleaf wrapped cigars,
Speaker:or a couple different San Andres.
Speaker:Or I'd like to try really good Connecticut
Speaker:but maybe something that's a little more unique.
Speaker:You name it, they're willing to help and they want to help
Speaker:because they have this wealth of knowledge
Speaker:that if they don't get chance to share it,
Speaker:is kind of just sits there going to waste.
Speaker:- Yeah, you're just now a transaction coordinator,
Speaker:you're bringing up sticks and that's it.
Speaker:- That's exactly right.
Speaker:- And if you know what you want then that's great.
Speaker:You don't need to ask for any help but it is fun
Speaker:to get recommendations, to push your boundaries.
Speaker:I mean, to me that's what it's all about.
Speaker:- I think so too.
Speaker:- Push your boundaries a little bit, see what you like,
Speaker:see what you don't like and see why you might like it.
Speaker:And now this is just like mental catalog for me of like,
Speaker:okay, I know the difference between these two now,
Speaker:so now I can like better educate myself on recommendations
Speaker:for other people.
Speaker:Like really what are you looking for out of that cigar?
Speaker:- Yeah, and I think finding out that this has a broadleaf
Speaker:as the binder makes this cigar super interesting to me.
Speaker:Because you and I think both really enjoy broadleaf,
Speaker:it's such a unique tobacco variety.
Speaker:- It's very, very, very enjoyable, both of these cigars.
Speaker:Hard to pick a winner because they both have unique
Speaker:positions in my wheelhouse of where I would use them easily.
Speaker:I mean, my go-to morning cigar
Speaker:would probably be this Classic, this Montecristo Classic.
Speaker:Creamy, smooth, the bitterness of my coffee
Speaker:is gonna bounce off of that.
Speaker:But then, I don't know.
Speaker:I was drinking coffee and both of them played really well
Speaker:with this because the War Hawk had that punch to it
Speaker:to try to kind of.
Speaker:- I went from the War Hawk back to this
Speaker:Montecristo Classic, and I got like this great,
Speaker:almost like fresh herbs note.
Speaker:It just tastes awesome.
Speaker:And if you've watched any of Rob and I's videos
Speaker:over the last year or so,
Speaker:you know that I love unique flavors, especially floral,
Speaker:smells of the garden, that sort of thing.
Speaker:And this just really popped with all of those.
Speaker:I love really unique flavors on a regular basis.
Speaker:And I know people that like the same thing all the time.
Speaker:They go to one restaurant to have this,
Speaker:they go to another restaurant to have that.
Speaker:There is nothing wrong with that.
Speaker:But even if you're that type of individual,
Speaker:branch out just a little bit.
Speaker:Try something that you may not normally try.
Speaker:- As I keep bouncing back I just keep picking up
Speaker:the creaminess of the Montecristo
Speaker:and I'm just like, wow, that's so good.
Speaker:The War Hawk, again, too I mean, I don't know.
Speaker:Do you have a winner?
Speaker:Would you pick one over the other?
Speaker:- I don't know if I can in this one.
Speaker:I think on this one I gotta say it's like a dead heat.
Speaker:- It just all depends upon what you're looking for.
Speaker:- Yeah, this one is really a challenge.
Speaker:- I'm gonna boil it down to the Classic,
Speaker:the Montecristo Classic, smooth, creamy,
Speaker:easy to retrohale, great stick.
Speaker:That's where it resides for me.
Speaker:If you like more flavor,
Speaker:if you drink certain types of alcohol
Speaker:that are more smokey, peaty, stronger, have a bit of a bite,
Speaker:go with the War Hawk.
Speaker:It has the body that it can put up with those
Speaker:types of alcohols and just be a great pairing.
Speaker:- This would be great with my favorite Scotch, Lophroaig 10.
Speaker:- Exactly.
Speaker:- It's gonna balance, it's gonna match that
Speaker:real blast of peaty, briny smokiness
Speaker:that that Lophroaig has.
Speaker:But it's also gonna balance really nicely
Speaker:as that Scotch becomes more sweetness
Speaker:after those first couple of sips.
Speaker:Because a lot of those bold flavors kind of become
Speaker:more subtle after subsequent tastings.
Speaker:- Palate tasting to it.
Speaker:- And this is gonna balance really well.
Speaker:- It's a great series, I enjoy doing it.
Speaker:We have a whole bag of even more of these.
Speaker:So if you're interested in this,
Speaker:leave comments down below, let us know what you think.
Speaker:What cigars would you wanna put up against
Speaker:Big Brother, Little Brother series.
Speaker:And as always, I mean, keep smoking cigars
Speaker:and expanding your palate.
Speaker:That's what it's all about.
Speaker:That's what we're here to do.
Speaker:And we're just trying to help everyone else go, wow,
Speaker:I've never done that before let's try that.
Speaker:And we're learning as we go.
Speaker:So it's a total blast.
Speaker:- In the words of Rob Schneider, "You can do it."
Speaker:- That's it.
Speaker:I don't know how to end it any other way
Speaker:but I will say this message from our sponsor, Boveda.
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Speaker:I just have my subscription set to every three months.
Speaker:Every three months I get my Boveda, they come,
Speaker:I know exactly what humidor to change them out in.
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Speaker:- Thanks again, have a great weekend.
Speaker:- Thanks for joining us.