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Dan: All right. Welcome back to Mic I Podcast. Today we have Paige Collins on the show. Paige is the lifelong dreamer, spiritual teacher and the founder of Icon Media, whose passion is helping believers discern God's voice through the language of dreams. She recently released the Awakened Dream Journal, a unique tool that helps Christians record, interpret, and understand the spiritual meaning of their dreams page.

Welcome to the show.

Paige Collins: Welcome. Thank you so much, Dan and Amanda. It's great to be here.

Dan: Yeah, absolutely. Hey, your story began with one transformative dream. Can you take us back to that moment and how it reshaped your life's direction?

Paige Collins: Yeah, absolutely. You know, I, I think that I've been a dreamer my whole [00:01:00] life.

Like many people are. But I had an encounter with the Lord, a personal encounter with the Holy Spirit back in 2017 after which my dreams just became very vibrant. And the first that I remember in particular was a dream that I had that I woke up out of, and I heard the sound of my own voice.

Actually praying. So the sound of my voice, praying, asking God for an interpretation was the sound that woke me up. And to that point, I had never understood or acknowledged that the Lord would give us dreams. So that was very new to me. So the fact that I was speaking out loud, you know, asking God for an interpretation was.

It was kind of mind blowing to me. And so I immediately knew that I needed to write it down and pray into it. And from that point forward I was a dreamer and the Lord began speaking to me in dreams. And I really sort of taught myself with the Holy Spirit, how to interpret. [00:02:00] But I would write them down and I would pray through them and I would wait for Revelation.

And over the course of about. A six month to a year period. The Lord just began to teach me how to look at my dreams, how to write them down, how to journal them, and then how to kind of dive deeper into the narratives of the dreams, to kind of find the revelation that was hidden there. And so that has been such a fun thing.

I've been a dreamer now, you know, ever since 2017, and it's been one of the most. Beautiful parts of my relationship with the Lord. It has become one of the primary ways that I hear from God also through his word, but in the night seasons where he really has buried beautiful revelations for us to kind of uncover.

So that's been a really fun thing for me.

Dan: Wow, that's so awesome. You just dropped so much insight in that first answer right there, when the Lord gave you a dream, you wrote it down, you prayed into it. And then you waited. Wow. Like that's it right there. You write it down, you pray into it, and [00:03:00] you wait for the Lord's revelation.

And I love how he gave you that one dream and. It's like you were little faithful as much, right? Like had you not written down that first dream, you might not be a dreamer today, right? Because you were faithful that first time and you prayed into it and you saw the Lord into it.

And he has now brought it to, a new level where you've just written a book to help other people catch their dreams too. Wow. Amazing. So, you know, a lot of people. When they think of dreams, they think, man, is God still doing that today? And I think you would say yes, but I'm just wondering speak to the person who might be a little bit skeptical and say, do dreams still hold meaning for us now in this day and age, or weren't they just for biblical times?

Paige Collins: Yeah, no, that's a really good question. You know what's interesting is that number one we see in scripture, right?

The prophet Joel and he write. Step, I will pour my spirit. The Lord says, I will pour my spirit out on all flesh, and your young men will have visions and your old men will dream dreams. And of course, [00:04:00] he was speaking of times to come when the Holy Spirit would be poured out onto the people of God. And so what we know is that there was a promise that.

Not just the prophets of the Old Testament would carry the spirit of the Lord and then be able to dream and prophesy. That was a promise for all of the people of God to come. Right? So we're living in that. As I was writing this book and really kind of researching and leaning into this topic. One of the most interesting things that I found was just even looking at Google Analytics and people's search phrases, the searching for spiritual dream meanings started to spike in 2020.

I don't know if it's because with COVID. We were all just bored. I don't know what it was about that time, but the, the, the lines just jump and they have not come down. And it just seems that the Lord is doing something in his people right now around this. He's awakening people's spirits. And I'm so grateful [00:05:00] that, you know, I could at least help with this book to kind of give people a bit of a framework of like, here's how you need to look at your dreams.

And you said this earlier. It starts with just considering them. It starts with just not letting them go, go past in your day and not thinking about them again, it starts with sitting with them for just a moment and looking at them or really thinking about them, whether you're saying them out loud to yourself, praying them back to the Lord, writing them down, sharing them with a friend.

Just the act of turning into and like noticing them. Is in its own way, something that will awaken your spirit to receive more. And it is a stewardship issue. You know, what will you do with the dreams that God gives you? You know, I was telling my, one of my girlfriends today actually, I, I live near a school zone.

And so in the morning and you're driving through and it's a school zone and you've gotta go really, really slow and. Right after school started, I got pulled over 'cause I was like flying [00:06:00] through there and the cop was like, he was like, what are you doing? This is a school zone. And I was like, I'm so sorry.

I didn't see the sign. And he was like, there's one, there's one, there's one. And I was like, you know what? You're so right. I didn't notice. And now of course when I'm driving through there, I see all of the signs that I didn't, I just had been driving past, you know, and not noticing. And it's the same with our dreams.

All we really have to do is start noticing and the Lord will come and he will fill in that space and he will begin to kind of pour in as we steward what he gives us. Does that make sense?

Dan: That's awesome. You talk about the dreams that the Lord gives us and I'm just wondering how can believers begin to discern whether a dream is one that the Lord has given us, or if it's from our own thoughts or from another source, or just from the pizza or the Chinese takeout that we had earlier as well.

Paige Collins: Yeah, that's a great question. And it's something that, you know, I don't know that I have the monopoly on my answer if that this is the ultimate answer, but my [00:07:00] personal opinion is that we write them all down, that they're all, they're all telling us something, right?

Even if the Lord is just showing you something that's in your heart that isn't this big prophetic picture of days to come or a direction for your life or a warning. There's still things that are inside of us that even if we're processing them, you know, while we're asleep, the Lord wants to be in that space and he wants to bring things to the surface.

So I am of the belief that we write them all down and we bring them all to the feet of the Lord. I think they're more like conversation starters with God, if that makes sense. Like, what do you wanna show me? If there's something in the stream that you want me to know, holy Spirit, please reveal it to me.

And we just kind of bring everything to him just like we would any other part of our day. So I, you know, I think that there are there are some dreams that just feel like hodgepodge of things you saw during the day or things that you heard. And I think they're all worthy of reflecting on, that's just my personal belief.

But the [00:08:00] ones that are from the Lord that. Are truly the life changing destiny dreams. They always seem to be bold and vibrant colors. They always seem to be those ones that, I mean, I think you know that, you know, that, you know when you wake up, if you have heard from the Lord a direction for your life because it's, they're brilliant.

They're beautiful. You feel peace, you feel joy, you feel clear, you feel clarity from the, from the Lord. And so I think that you know, it's a personal experience and everyone is different. But I definitely think that when you hear from the Lord in one of those life-changing destiny dreams, you know, you've heard from the Lord.

Amanda: We see that so much in the life of Joseph. His brothers even said there's the dreamer, right? Unfortunately in a negative way at that time. But it seems when we see people dreaming in the Bible, in scripture that God is speaking very specifically in those moments.

[00:09:00] Because, we think all that Joseph went through from the time that he had the dream and then until the time that the dream was fulfilled, he knew specifically that the Lord had spoken that vision to him and then was able to interpret the dreams of the men in jail. And then, a couple years later helped Pharaoh himself just see that, that pattern in scripture where if God really wants to make sure people know something very clearly, he will show them in a dream. And even like before and after Jesus was born, Joseph, the earthly father of Jesus was given very specific dreams that were counter-cultural to that time, to protect the Savior's life in those moments.

I love what you said about writing them down and taking them to the Lord, because you just never know. It might be a year or two later, looking back and God might be showing you something down the road and just going back to that.

Paige Collins: Yeah, absolutely. I have so many journals and pages filled with [00:10:00] the dreams that I've had over the years, and about once a year I'll go back and I'll reread and I'll find, you know, these dreams from years back that maybe, did it make sense at the time? But then I've lived through the seasons where they were relevant and it's really fun to kind of go back and see, oh, this was for two years later.

That's what that means. And sometimes we don't really have full revelation until it's already passed. And then that just kind of helps us shape our, our understanding of our dream language going forward. But yeah, that's happened quite a bit for me. It's, it's such a fun journey. It's like a memory book in a way.

So good.

Dan: I'm kind of a process person, and so I'm kind of thinking this through, that we receive the dream, we write it down, we pray into it. We wait for Revelation, and Revelation sometimes is like interpretation. And so I'm kind of like thinking, write down the revelation, make it plain on tablets so that Harold May run with it.

So we're kind of doing that. We're writing it down, but [00:11:00] you know. After we pray into it and after we wait for revelation. The revelation sometimes comes through you or somebody else interpreting the dream. And so I'm just wondering like, what are some first steps to interpreting dreams through like a biblical lens?

Paige Collins: So we look at the story of Jeremiah, the young prophet, and when the Lord calls him as a prophet, I love this. Jeremiah chapter one, where the Lord basically, you know, calls him into his prophetic role and authority and then kind of gives him almost a crash course in here's how you're gonna interpret what I'm gonna show you, right?

And I write about this in the book. You know, he reveals to him a picture and says, now what do you see? Has Jeremiah say back to him, here's what I see, and then the Lord kind of confirms That's right. And here's what it means. And they kind of go through this dialogue. I, it's the same thing for us today.

You know, when we, when we write down, acknowledge, speak out loud what it is that we've [00:12:00] seen, whether it's through the voice of a trusted friend who also is in the dream space, or you know, pastor or mentor or the Lord, a whole voice of the Holy Spirit himself. There's a reflecting back that takes place.

Sometimes just saying the dream out loud, even just to yourself, you will hear things as you speak that that land differently than just when you're thinking about them, for example. I had a dream about the Biltmore Hotel. Okay? I don't know if you've ever been to Asheville, North Carolina, but there's the Biltmore Mansion.

It's beautiful in the dream. The setting was the Biltmore Hotel, and I wrote down Biltmore. But when I say the word. Build more, it sounds like, build more. And so then I'm going into the, the rest of the context of the dream. And I'm understanding that the Lord is showing me you're gonna build more with the people that I'm in the dream with, right?

And so turns out these are [00:13:00] people that come alongside of me in the season to come and we partner together to work on several projects. And so sometimes even saying out loud some of those words, the Lord uses play on words. All the time. In fact, he uses it in the story with Jeremiah, the play on words. We see it, I've got it right here where, where the Lord shows him the branch of an almond tree. Well, the word for almond tree shaki is pronounced almost identically to the word for watching, which is also shook. And so he sees the almond tree, he speaks the word in Hebrew, but the sound of it means. Something else. And so we see that the Lord uses a play on words.

And that's just one of the examples of, okay, so you get a dream, you write it down, you talk it out. You look for some of those underlying themes as if there's a play on words or if, you know, you're diving into some of the symbolism there. And then it starts to kind of put a picture together that you [00:14:00] can kind of stand back from and look at what is the Lord saying, right?

Not. You know, does this whole dream, is this true? But it's like, what is true in the dream? What is, what is held in the dream that the Lord is bringing to the surface? And so that's kind of the process. And in the book, you know, what's interesting about this book is that it's equal parts journal.

There's journaling space for you to write down your dreams and then unpack them layer by layer. But there's also a bit of a primer. And here's how you apply symbolism. Here's how you, you know, run your dream symbols where you can through scripture, we look through the lens of scripture to find any of the symbols in the dream.

Where can I find them in scripture? And then what do they mean in the context of those stories? Chances are, they may mean the same thing in the context of my dreams. So the book gives a space for you to, to really consider all of those things to write them out. And to define them individually. I also [00:15:00] encourage people to ask the Lord for a scripture to anchor that dream in the word of God.

Oftentimes when I wake up from a dream and I'm still kind of in that lucid space where I'm not quite awake, but I'm also not asleep I'll ask the Lord. If I've had a dream, I'll ask him for a scripture, you know, Lord, anchor this in your words so that I can go to that scripture and write that down and use that as like a foundational prayer as I'm coming to you for revelation.

So the book creates space for all of those things. And you know, that's what I love about it is that regular, you know, journals with just like lined pages, you can just write and write and write. But then you're like, I was always drawing notes. I was highlighting, I was like, side baring over here.

And this book actually creates the space for all of those important tasks to happen in one space. It also offers prompts and things to kind of guide you through your own process. [00:16:00] So,

Dan: wow. Journaling is such an important part of the spiritual. Formation process. Right. I love how you've combined both of those, like kind of a journal and a place to put your dreams.

You were saying a word that kept on kind of hitting me about symbols when I think of dreams sometimes I think of symbolism. And I'm just wondering, can you share with our listeners some of the top symbols in Christian dreams?

And is there one that maybe occurs or recurs back in your dreams yourself?

Paige Collins: Yeah, I think that I love this topic by the way. I could talk to people about their dreams all day long. Because we each have our own really unique and special dream language because it's very personal and no one knows you better than the Holy Spirit.

No one knows you better than the Lord. So he's gonna speak to you with symbols and, and objects and even people in your life that mean something to you. That are unique to you? I think people dream quite frequently about transportation, different modes of transportation, cars, airplanes there's a [00:17:00] lot of water I think in dreams.

A lot of people talk about dreams with water, whether it's waves or the ocean, or rain. A lot of people right now you're talking about dreams of rain. You know, I think it's, it's common to dream that you're in a house, whether it's your house or someone else's house whether it looks like your actual house or if it looks different from your house, but you know, it's your house.

Like, it's just, you get into the nuance of kind of story, the storytelling and in the dream world. And it's different for everyone. So I dream quite frequently about being in my house. And sometimes it is my actual house, and other times it looks a little different. So then I'm leaning into what's different about this house?

What do I, what am I noticing? What does the furniture look like? What does, what do the walls look like? Does it feel colorful? Is it. Is it empty? Is it down to the studs? You know? And, and oftentimes our houses are representations of ourselves, of us. We are the temple of the [00:18:00] Lord. And so then what is the Lord trying to tell me about my house, right?

My spirit, and so, you know, those are some of the common dream symbols I think when we're dreaming about transportation and you're looking at let's say a dream where you're in the car, who's driving the car, right? Every one of these symbols has so many questions that need to go along with it as you're trying to unpack what it means.

So, am I a passenger? Am I the driver? I had a dream the other night where I was in a car and my father was driving right? I know in my dream language that if my father is there, it is representative of my heavenly father 99% of the time. And he's driving the car in this dream. And in the dream the road was it was raining and the road was wet and it was steep.

And I was so thankful that he was driving and I was not. And so I just, I love that, you know, in particular that dream for me where the Lord is just reassuring me like. [00:19:00] I'm at the wheel. You are safe no matter what this road looks like. And no matter how it, you know, twists and turns or looks maybe treacherous at times, I'm driving this car.

And so that for me was just super comforting. And that's just another one of the ways that the Lord just continues to kind of, you know, bring that voice into my every day. But I think car dreams are super common. What about you guys? Are you dreamers? What do you dream about?

Dan: Man, we don't get too many questions coming back.

I'm a sleeper, Paige. I'm gonna turn it around. Woo. As I was looking at it, 60% of adults say they've had at least one dream that deeply affected their life or perspective, and, for me, I feel like I don't have a lot of dreams. I don't write them down too much.

I remember specifically one spiritual dream that when I was really young and it wasn't necessarily a positive dream of the negative dream. It wasn't that great of a dream. But I also know that God has led us [00:20:00] through some other dreams too in terms of like we do stuff on the missions field and now he's kind of led me through some different dreams as well.

But it's few and far between, but maybe it's because I don't have this book and I haven't been writing it down. So maybe this is the answer right here.

Amanda: I think Dan is not giving himself enough credit in that area I just think writing it down is key because he will tell me, oh, I just had this dream like three days ago, and it's not all the time, but it's usually heavy significance in those dreams.

Paige Collins: Well, I was just gonna say, you know, when I started dreaming, I wrote them down because I was fascinated and I knew that the Lord was speaking and some of them, gosh, they were so random, you know, just the weirdest things and you're the things that you would ignore probably 99% of the time.

But because I had felt pulled into a season to pay attention, I wrote everything down. And what was so interesting that I found. [00:21:00] Was, I remember. I'd had about five or six streams that were just so full of symbolism, and I still was kind of figuring out what does this mean and what are these different symbols.

There's a great book called The Divinity Code that I would highly recommend that's got like a glossary, like 3000 words and symbols. It's all scriptural and, and biblically based. So it's a, it's a trusted resource. But what I had done was I wrote, I wrote the dreams down, and anything that was an object I would pull out and define it all by itself.

If there were bright colors, I'd look into what the meaning of these colors, you know, would be. So I did that for several and they were all very, very different. And what I found at the end of that journey was that they all said the same thing. That to me was mind blowing. Every single one with its unique symbolism once defined.

If I pulled it out, they [00:22:00] were all saying the same thing.

Dan: Wow. And

Paige Collins: it was a season where the word was saying to me, put down everything else that you're reading and just come into my word. Four dreams, four to five dreams. And this was years ago. That had strange, you know, strange things that would seem on the surfaces.

So weird. I'm diving to the bottom of the ocean and I'm picking seaweed off. You know, these strange little circumstances. They all, when you pulled out all these meanings, they were all saying the same thing, which was like, I want you on a diet of my word. Mm-hmm. And that to me was when I was like, okay, we're missing it with dreams.

We're not going deep enough. We're not, we're, we are oftentimes making the decision, this looks random, so it must not be important, so I'm just gonna go about my day as if the Lord didn't just speak directly to me. And so that's what I would encourage is just. Even when it seems crazy, there's something [00:23:00] there.

Like he's talking to his people. You know, we're so distracted in our culture right now. We are information 24 hours a day just like consuming, consuming, consuming, consuming, consuming. This is a time where we're the quietest and we are, spirits are so quiet and it's like. Why wouldn't he at that time, you know, in the night, come to us and try to get, you know, break through some of the clutter of a very, a busy, a busy world that we're in.

So, yeah, and I had a party we had a book launch party last week. It was super fun. I had lots of friends and colleagues that came out to kind of acknowledge the release of the book. It was really, really cool. A lot of people there that are not dreamers, I have had five testimonies from that night of people that have called me and said, I was just really coming to support you.

I'm not a dreamer, but now I am. Something happened that evening. You know, I prayed over the group. It really was just like a, [00:24:00] a posture shift in the room for people that maybe had not considered that their dreams mattered. And I've had so many people call me and say, I've been dreaming vividly ever since.

I don't know what happened. One friend of mine called yesterday morning in tears. Like, I heard the voice of God as I was waking up this morning. I've never heard that before. He spoke to me. He settled something in my spirit that I've been wrestling with for. Months. And so again, I just think it's about when we lean in, he meets us where we're leaning in, he meets us 'cause he wants relationship, he wants intimacy, he wants to have these conversations.

And I just think it's, it's so fun. It's fun that he would talk to us this way. Oh

Dan: yeah. I'm gonna come back to your question 'cause I've had a moment to prepare here. But honestly, Paige, I appreciate what you have to say and I appreciate you asking insight as well and asking our perspective.

'cause you know, my full name is Daniel, and my middle name is Joseph. So both people do dream, right? Come

Paige Collins: on. Yeah.

Dan: You're

Paige Collins: a

Dan: dreamer. [00:25:00] I'm a dreamer. Getting there. I'm getting there. What Amanda had said early was probably true. I wouldn't share this probably otherwise, but because you asked I remember within the last few months, maybe six months or so, that I had a dream about, and it was a geopolitical dream.

It was about two leaders of superpowers, one being the US and one being another superpower in the world. And I remember that there was almost like a tenseness . Here's the goofy thing I remember one leader hands, the other leader ready for this.

A Chick-fil-A sandwich, okay. And smiles. I kind of thought about in process is that, what does Chick-fil-A stand for? You know? In so many ways. It's a Christian company. so it was almost that it caused a pause in the tension.

You look at Christianity, it's the church. The church is diffusing some of that tension. And that's part of the reason that. Things are happening the way that they are I share that only because, kind of said, oh, I'm diving in the ocean.

I see Seawood, I think that when people hear dreams and when talk about [00:26:00] dreams there can be two things that happen. The first one is you can feel like your dream's not important. You can feel like, man, I'm too embarrassed to share this. Or, I haven't prayed into it.

I don't know the interpretation. And I think the second is, for lack of better verbiage, is that it hasn't been given the freedom in Christianity as it should be because it's been hijacked by a new age form of dreaming. When we talk about dreaming.

It can almost set off alerts for religious people or for people who aren't led by the spirit. Sure. And we don't want to invite that criticism. We don't wanna invite that judgment. We don't wanna invite that into our life until we just. Keep quiet. Quite honestly, Paige, thank you , as you were sharing about having the part book release and now, like almost giving people the freedom and the ability and giving them a tool to do this from a biblical perspective and

invite the Lord back into it because it's clear all throughout scripture. He's led people by dreams. In fact, more people are having dreams nowadays than did in the scripture. We look at what's happening in the Middle East, they're having dreams every day. And they [00:27:00] even have signs, in Iran and different places, if you've seen a man in white in your dream, call this number.

The Lord is moving in dreams, Paige? You're right on.

Paige Collins: Yeah. Yeah. He will break through. He will break through in dreams. I love that. I think, you know, like you said, throughout scripture we see that this is a way that God speaks. I think that we don't, under what we don't understand sometimes in the church, we're very fearful of.

I see we, some people are fearful and the enemy will always come in and try to counterfeit and have real estate in those areas where Christians. Do not feel the freedom to step in and, and allow God to have authority. But he wants authority in this space and he is looking for Christian dreamers, he's looking for, for Christians who would lean in and, and change the world for the kingdom of God because of the dreams that they've had.

He's looking for marketplace leaders. Ministry leaders, you know, he's, there is no end to what he can and will do through a believer who says [00:28:00] yes to him. And, you know, being called in a dream is something that is so sacred and beautiful and happened all throughout scripture. And so it's really exciting.

I, I wanted this resource to exist because there aren't that many resources for Christians. I want us to be able to talk about this. It's funny as, as I have shared it. With my own circle of friends and people that I know. The responses are always like, oh, that's so cool. I had a dream the other night and I didn't know who I could talk to about it.

I mean, people are looking for outlets to be able to have these conversations. And I think that these, that our dreams are best unpacked in community with other dreamers, and it's like iron sharpens iron, you know? And so it's exciting. I, I would love to see, you know, I would love to see. Believers everywhere.

Awaken to the idea that God speaks to them this way. It's really powerful. And to go back to your dream I'm assuming that you [00:29:00] didn't write it down. What, what did you do with that? Like what did, when you woke up after having that dream, what did you do with it personally? Did you like file it away or what?

Like what, what happened with you with that?

Dan: Yeah, oftentimes. Writing it down for me means telling my wife. 'cause that's about as good as writing down. She remembers so many things. So I think she reminds me of those things sometimes. But to be fair and to the point what we made earlier, that when you first received that dream, you wrote it down.

And I think sometimes we're too tired, we wake up, we don't wanna write it down. We don't wanna turn the light on in the middle of the night and, potentially wake up our partner . And so I did not write it down, but at the same time I shared it and spoke it out, and I pondered it through that day.

Paige Collins: Yeah. But I

Dan: didn't do much more with that, unfortunately. And that's why I think this tool could actually be a really helpful tool. For myself personally.

Paige Collins: Yeah, it, it's such an interesting it's an interesting dream, even just thinking about the Chick-fil-A and kind of the symbolism [00:30:00] there.

Even if not, you know, writing them down, I think when the Lord shows you something like that, there's an opportunity for agreement. So whatever it was that you feel like he was showing you with that exchange. Right. And I hope it's okay that I'm going here, but just for me, this is what lands for me is like how do you then pray?

So the whole thing is like, well, why do we dream? Why is he showing us these things? Sometimes if it's about your life and it's helping you make a decision or like point you in a direction that you're wrestling with that is so clear and evident, or if the Lord is exposing something within you that he wants to have you know, authority over that maybe you haven't surrendered to him or.

There are all of these different ways that he speaks to us and reasons. But for something like that, that speaks to like a geopolitical event or something that feels bigger outside of your immediate circle, those are intercession dreams. Those are like, he's looking for you to come into agreement with what it is that he's showing you and speak that out, right.

[00:31:00] To be a part of praying. You know, praying in agreement with what it is that he's showing you, he's the people of God. Coming into agreement with what the Lord is speaking is such an important, it's such an important thing, and that that is an intercession dream. That's what comes to me. That one. I don't know the revelation that you got on it, and you left out a lot of details, but I do think it's important as we're dreaming and we're saying yes to dreams, that we're also saying yes to what the Lord wants us to do with what he's showing us.

Dan: That's good. You hit on this just slightly earlier and I wanna come back what would you say to someone who's had a disturbing. Or a confusing dream, how should they process it spiritually? Because you know, oftentimes our dreams do come from the Lord, but sometimes they can be a little disturbing or maybe they're not even from the Lord.

And so I'm just wondering, can you speak to that?

Paige Collins: Yeah. And it's complex and every dream is so different, and I will always have a million questions when someone brings me a dream like that. I have a million questions. How did you feel? How did you feel when you woke [00:32:00] up? Did you feel afraid?

Fear is not of God. So we know that, that he does not cause fear in us. Yes. The warning, the warning dreams that I've had from the Lord. You know, I can say in all of them, I know that in the story of the dream that I'm in, I'm okay and remembering where are you in the dream and what's happening with you in the dream?

What's your posture? Do you feel safe even though there's chaos may be around you. So some dreams that are disturbing are from the Lord, but they're meant to anchor you. Like there's chaos potentially coming. You need to see that you're okay and I've got you right. Those are dreams that can be a very unnerving, but that are from him, that are meant to anchor us and, and and give us peace when things get chaotic.

Dreams that are tormenting, dreams that are more nightmares. Typically there's some sort of open door, there's some sort of, access point for [00:33:00] the enemy to torment you. And that's just simply taking your authority in the name of Jesus to shut that down. And I do talk about that a little bit in the book.

In the book, I have a prayer, you know, for dreams like that the enemy does not have permission to torment you, and you take your authority as a believer and as a child of God to silence the voice of the enemy. You know, I pray over my son when he was a little boy, he would have night terrors as sometimes kids do, and we just would pray scripture over him you know, and take authority over that as well.

And over the space in our home. You know, I've gone around. And prayed over every door, every window in my house. I've anointed this house in this property with oil. The enemy will always come and, and try. He attempts, but he has no authority here. And so we just take authority over those things.

Dan: Such an important reminder because God died for us to give us eternal life, but he died for us to give us so much more than that.

Right. And one of them is that he wants [00:34:00] us to help bring, his kingdom here to earth and he's given us that authority and he wants us to take that. He wants us to decree his work and to speak those things. That we do have authority over the enemy. And that's so important.

Especially when you start thinking about, you know, dreams like this because there are, many people that work or deal with tormenting dreams so many times. And those sorts of things , as a believer, they are intrusions upon, the covenant that the Lord's made with you.

Those things don't need to happen. That's such an encouragement to us. 'cause we do pray over our kids too, , and there are times that they have those dreams and we speak to those things it's almost like the next day we ask how did you sleep?

I slept well, but that's important. People need to hear that. We can direct that and we can have that authority.

Paige Collins: That's right. And we bring it all back to the feet of, of Jesus. Right. Lord revealed to me the open door that's giving the enemy some sort of access point in my home, expose that so that we can make sure that that is closed.

This book is for, it is for everyone. Everyone who reads this book, I what I want is for them [00:35:00] to be an expert in their own dream language, right? I'm not looking to be the expert in dream interpretation because I think that we're all meant to be experts. In our own dream interpretation. And so the Lord will will train and teach each of us uniquely as we seek wisdom from him.

And so when we do have those tormenting dreams or dreams that are scaring our kids, like we can, yes, we take authority, but we also ask the Lord, show me what I'm not saying. Reveal to me what's here, and then show me how. To close those doors or to bring it into this. And he's just so faithful and he's just, he's so good.

He always brings the wisdom and the revelation when we ask

Dan: Paige. I have a question here. When we think about dreams, when we think about when interpreting dreams, we've kind of walked through that process of what that looks like for you. But also one way we can interpret dreams or we can have revelation or we can have the Lord give [00:36:00] us clarity on something, is bringing that

to a wise counsel, to a friend or to somebody else. And I'm just wondering, Paige, is there a community of dreamers out there for somebody that's kind of living out in rural America that is dreaming that's beginning to explore this and they get the book, which we encourage all listeners to get the book.

But they begin to walk through this process, but. There's so much wisdom in the council of others, and sometimes I think if we don't have those wisdom, they're kinda like those guardrails that keep us in check, that we don't go off to the left or to the right too. Is there a community of dreamers or are there any tools or resources that you know of?

Paige Collins: Yeah, so I wish that there was one specific community that I could direct people to. There really isn't that I'm aware of. I had my pastor's wife who was, is an amazing, wise woman and knows the dream world super well, and I trust her so much. And a couple of friends. We were all kind of walking through this together.

So we still call each other with dreams almost, you know, on the weekly basis. The book has some resources in the back. I do have a resources section that really [00:37:00] kind of points to some other people who were talking about dreams, some other books and resources that are out there and available for further study and reading.

And in general, I would say like Holy Spirit was my teacher above all other voices. And that, that is what I would encourage for people to do. If you're interested in dreaming and, and are looking to press in and kind of understand that, that space a little bit more. Ask the Holy Spirit to be your teacher.

He is a teacher of all, of all wisdom and and ask him to bring the right people into your life that can kind of walk this out with you. I just put it back on him. You know, he's, he's the one who resources us, so.

Amanda: So good. I love that he's the one who resources us. Just it takes us asking, sometimes we overcomplicate it and we might think, try to figure it out on our own, but it's simply asking him for that direction, so I love that.

Yeah.

Dan: I just wanna ask one more question. Sure. While we're deep diving, as you've [00:38:00] researched for this book, I'm sure you know in terms of you've looked at different scriptures because that's understandably your foundation, right? Like it's all our foundation and necessarily should be.

But as you were doing that, what dream. Stood out to you in the Bible. When you look back and think of dreams or dreamers, which one really has affected you the most? Or which one stands out to you?

Paige Collins: Yeah, that's a really good one or two question.

I mean, I would say, we've already talked about Joseph, but the Dreamer, you know the dreamer, he's the, he is the, he's the OG dreamer Joseph. And the way that not only. The dreams that God gave him shaped his destiny, but his ability to understand dreams to understand the dreams of others, to understand and how to interpret dreams using the Holy Spirit to actually like.

Be his exit ramp out of the prison into the throne room. Like, I just, I love that whole story. And that's the one I would go back to because it's also all of the [00:39:00] dreams, whether it was his or others, are full, so full of symbolism, you know, and I just think that's a fun one to study for sure. But yeah, I mean, I love, I love all of the dreamers in scripture and, and they're all fun to me.

Dan: Yeah. Joseph is such an interesting case because he dreams. He's such a believer. He is a man of faith. He trusts the Lord even after his death, he's like, look, when you guys leave this country, 'cause the Lord's told me, he showed it to me. He is revealed it to me when you do it, take me with you.

Take my bones with you. Yeah. Even past debt, he was dreaming his bones were, going because of the dream and the revelation that the Lord gave him, so good. Alright, so we have a couple fun questions for you.

We're kind of coming up here. Would love to ask you do you have them ready?

Amanda: Right.

Dan: Man's got the first one.

Amanda: So you've interpreted a lot of dreams and has one ever completely surprised you with its meaning?

Paige Collins: Oh gosh. Oh, that's a trick question. Okay, let me think. 'cause there are [00:40:00] literally thousands in my mind.

You know, I would, I would say I don't know that anything has been, you know, surprising or ironic, I think. What continues to surprise me is the creativity of the Holy Spirit to use the symbolism that he does. You know, I, I had a dream one time that I was in a beautiful home. It was my home, and every room was beautiful.

And it was ornately decorated and the wallpaper was really cool. It was very bright colors. But as I looked closer, every room there had like. There was like one little part of it that wasn't finished, right. So like, you know, the trim was not cut quite flushed to the, to the wall or you know, the tile was in.

But like, this one corner wasn't quite finished. And I remember feeling like the Lord kind of showing me like, this is you. You're still a work in progress and I'm still gonna come in [00:41:00] and finish what I started. And so I kind of love that, those encouragement. But that was kind of a fun, unique one. Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's been anything that's been, you know, well, I, well, this is actually really personal.

I don't mind sharing it. But this was an interesting one from several years ago where I was holding a giant egg in the dream and I accidentally dropped it. And I, I remember it was almost like the, an ostrich jug. Have you ever seen how big those ostrich jugs are? Mm-hmm. I dropped it and it kind of cracked and I picked it up and I was looking at it.

I was trying to hold it back together. And I remember knowing in my spirit that this was a pregnancy loss and. Several months later. Sure enough, that's exactly what happened and, but I just remember thinking like, well it was the kindness of God to kind of show me like he still got it and that this is coming.

But you know, that there are promises on the other side of that, that will, that will make that Right. So just kind of some interesting symbolism there. [00:42:00] Wow. Wow. Well, thank you for

Amanda: sharing that.

Paige Collins: Wow. Sure.

Dan: I've got the next one. This is a little bit more fun here. If you could spend one night dreaming anywhere in the world, where would you wanna fall asleep?

Paige Collins: Oh my gosh. Well, maybe where you guys are in Belize, like, I don't know, something someplace tropical would be amazing. Anywhere, anywhere where I can sleep outside and hear the ocean, I think is where I would choose.

Dan: That's amazing. And one more question, bringing it back to your new book, the Awaken Dream Journal.

What's your favorite part? What's your favorite piece of this new project? In this new book?

Paige Collins: Yeah, I think my favorite piece is just knowing that there's a whole generation of dreamers that. Have a chance to say yes to what God is doing and their sleep, and how the world, I believe will be impacted by just simply people leaning in and hearing what it is that he has to tell them.

That is what makes me [00:43:00] excited that this book is for this time, for this for a specific reason. And I do believe it's because dreamers change the world, kingdom Dreamers. Yeah. Wow.

Dan: A hundred percent. Well said. Well, how can our listeners get your new book and how can they connect with you?

Paige Collins: You can connect with me if you go to the christian dreamer.com.

That is the website that has links to the book and other resources. And so I would also direct people to Amazon. So awesome. And

Dan: do you have any social media handles?

Paige Collins: The Christian Dreamer is the social media handle on Instagram. I am, my personal account is kp HC and it's public account, so happy to connect in either place.

Dan: Awesome. Awesome. We'll have those in the shut up. Awesome. What an honor to have you on the show, Paige. Yes, thanks. And we're so excited how God is working this we'll just echo that, this is a tool, this is a resource for this time, for this season because and the world needs dreamers, the kingdom needs kingdom dreamers to rise up

and to [00:44:00] declare the thing that God's saying and to step into the thing that he's leading you into. So. Make sure you pick up a book and Paige, what an honor to have you young, so,

Paige Collins: oh, thank you guys so much. And write your dreams down from now on.

Dan: I have the tool now, so God bless.

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