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Introduction Voiceover:Future Ecologies.
Mendel Skulski:Test, test one, two, Bumblebee, tuna, rabble,
Mendel Skulski:rabble, rhubarb, rhubarb, good to see ya. Okay, hi everybody! I
Mendel Skulski:am Mendel.
Adam Huggins:and I'm Adam
Mendel Skulski:and today we're joined in the studio by... a red
Mendel Skulski:legged frog!
Mendel Skulski:...potentially more than one red legged frog.
Adam Huggins:a chorus of randy red legged frogs, recorded with
Adam Huggins:a hydrophone during their breeding season in February — in
Adam Huggins:a half frozen wetland that I helped to restore a couple of
Adam Huggins:years back.
Mendel Skulski:Recorded with a hydrophone, because this species
Mendel Skulski:only vocalizes underwater.
Adam Huggins:Yeah, otherwise, they are pretty darn quiet.
Mendel Skulski:They're adorable!
Adam Huggins:And they make this sound all night long, like up to
Adam Huggins:14 hours, pretty chatty for a creature few people ever get to
Adam Huggins:hear
Mendel Skulski:Yeah, for reasons, not just that so few of
Mendel Skulski:us are underwater in February, but because the red legged frog
Mendel Skulski:has been in steep decline for many years, due largely to the
Mendel Skulski:loss of wetlands throughout their range.
Adam Huggins:Which is one of the reasons why Mendel, you and
Adam Huggins:I share a hobby in addition to making this show.
Mendel Skulski:Yeah.
Adam Huggins:Which is that we both work to restore wetlands.
Mendel Skulski:Well, that's charitable. You work to restore
Mendel Skulski:wetlands. I dabble in restoring wetland. That is, one little
Mendel Skulski:urban wetland in my neighborhood in Vancouver.
Adam Huggins:Yeah, it's a cute wetland, though.
Mendel Skulski:I love it.
Adam Huggins:And to do that, we have both had the opportunity to
Adam Huggins:work with the same remarkable woman.
Robin Annschild:What are we going to talk about?
Adam Huggins:Well, the very first thing to do is to
Adam Huggins:introduce yourself. Who are you?
Robin Annschild:My name is Robin Ann's child, and I design
Robin Annschild:and build wetland and stream restoration projects.
Mendel Skulski:On any given day, you're likely to encounter
Mendel Skulski:Robin up to her ankles in mud, sporting a hardhat and a
Mendel Skulski:high-viz vest, orchestrating the actions of up to a half dozen
Mendel Skulski:heavy machine operators — all working together to answer one
Mendel Skulski:important question.
Robin Annschild:what is it that we need to do in that watershed
Robin Annschild:to restore a healthy relationship between the soil
Robin Annschild:and the water?
Adam Huggins:And the reason that this question is so
Adam Huggins:important is that we humans, of the colonial variety, have
Adam Huggins:seriously disrupted that relationship basically
Adam Huggins:everywhere that we have settled. Across North America, over 50%
Adam Huggins:of all wetlands have been lost since the 1700s and that loss
Adam Huggins:has actually accelerated in recent years, despite no net
Adam Huggins:loss policies and mitigation efforts. It's even worse in some
Adam Huggins:areas, like where I'm from, in California, where over 90% of
Adam Huggins:wetlands have been lost. In British Columbia, that number is
Adam Huggins:closer to 70%
Mendel Skulski:And when you say lost, you mean...
Adam Huggins:Drained and converted for other uses.
Robin Annschild:We have significant cultural amnesia
Robin Annschild:about how we've changed these landscapes where we live. In
Robin Annschild:Europe, where certainly my ancestors came from, there had
Robin Annschild:already been centuries, if not millennia, of a really
Robin Annschild:systematic and highly sophisticated wetland drainage.
Mendel Skulski:Because wetland is usually flat, flat land is
Mendel Skulski:good for building things.
Adam Huggins:Wetland is also rich. Rich land is good for
Adam Huggins:harvesting timber and growing crops
Mendel Skulski:Industrializing societies all over the world
Mendel Skulski:tend to take places that are wet, woody, rich and wild, and
Mendel Skulski:reduce them to a blank slate for all kinds of development.
Robin Annschild:Creating those uniform conditions across
Robin Annschild:floodplains is kind of the bread and butter of our way of living
Robin Annschild:on the landscape, simplifying streams so that instead of being
Robin Annschild:broad and flat and flooding the floodplain, perhaps on an annual
Robin Annschild:basis, they are now in deep ditches that flow down a
Robin Annschild:straight line, you know, on the edge of the field. It never
Robin Annschild:occurred to me that the very ditches that I played in as a
Robin Annschild:child, I thought that those ditches had streams in them,
Robin Annschild:really, they were ditches draining wetlands, and that
Robin Annschild:water that I played in in those ditches was water being drained
Robin Annschild:out of wetlands.
Adam Huggins:I also have fond memories of playing in ditches
Adam Huggins:as a kid on ag land that had once been in the flood plain of
Adam Huggins:the San Joaquin River. The landscape changes that Robin is
Adam Huggins:describing are ubiquitous.
Robin Annschild:Everything that we have done when logging, road,
Robin Annschild:building, mining, converting wetlands and floodplains to
Robin Annschild:agriculture, has been about hastening the passage of the
Robin Annschild:water through the watershed. And now what we're looking at is,
Robin Annschild:well, now wait a minute, what if we wanted to invite that water
Robin Annschild:to take a more leisurely path?
Mendel Skulski:Many of our ancestors were trying to get the
Mendel Skulski:water off the land as fast as possible, and now here we are
Mendel Skulski:thinking the exact opposite. How do we keep the water on the land
Mendel Skulski:for as long as possible?
Robin Annschild:Wetlands, by their very nature, are dynamic
Robin Annschild:ecosystems. One of the things that I find so exciting about
Robin Annschild:wetland and stream restoration is that through a single action,
Robin Annschild:we're achieving multiple benefits.
Mendel Skulski:Like making habitat for endangered frogs,
Adam Huggins:as discussed, and also to recharge aquifers
Adam Huggins:sequester carbon, create fire breaks and mitigate the
Adam Huggins:destructive power of floods.
Robin Annschild:Wetlands absorb water. Imagine if you're running
Robin Annschild:a bath, and you pull the plug. And of course, you know it takes
Robin Annschild:whatever time it takes for the bath to drain, but it drains
Robin Annschild:pretty quickly. Now, if you were to fill your bathtub with
Robin Annschild:towels, put the plug in, fill it up, then remove the plug, it's
Robin Annschild:going to take a lot longer for that bathtub to drain. So when
Robin Annschild:you have a high rainfall event, instead of all that rain hitting
Robin Annschild:the soil, the ground, the surfaces of your watershed and
Robin Annschild:running out quite quickly, the wetland is like that towel in
Robin Annschild:your bathtub that's absorbing all that water and it's
Robin Annschild:releasing it more slowly. The cheapest way to prevent flooding
Robin Annschild:is one to protect the wetlands that exist in your watershed,
Robin Annschild:and two, to restore drained wetlands in the watershed. So if
Robin Annschild:anything, we need more wetlands. We need more capacity to absorb
Robin Annschild:and regulate flow of water and clean surface water and inject
Robin Annschild:water into the ground.
Adam Huggins:At this point, for me, this is gospel, but once
Adam Huggins:Robin and the big yellow machines finish building the
Adam Huggins:wetlands and they leave for greener pastures, then I'm left
Adam Huggins:with the daunting task of getting native plants
Adam Huggins:established again on these highly disturbed sites.
Adam Huggins:Thankfully, my organization grows the plants that we need to
Adam Huggins:do this, but there's been this thing nagging at me. In order to
Adam Huggins:grow those plants as part of the soil mix, we typically use a
Adam Huggins:product that most folks are probably familiar with. It's
Adam Huggins:called peat.
Mendel Skulski:You know, peat. Fluffy, porous, great for
Mendel Skulski:growing blueberries, tasty in scotch, and famously, comes from
Mendel Skulski:bogs,
Adam Huggins:Bogs, which are, as a matter of fact, wetlands.
Mendel Skulski:Is that a bit circular? That's a bit circular.
Adam Huggins:It's not ideal. And so my colleagues and I have
Adam Huggins:been asking ourselves this pesky question — whould we really
Adam Huggins:still be using peat to grow our plants for restoration wetland
Adam Huggins:restoration?
Mendel Skulski:Seems like a simple question. How hard could
Mendel Skulski:it be to answer?
Adam Huggins:How hard indeed, well, on today's episode, For
Adam Huggins:Peat's Sake, we tell the story of peatlands in North America
Adam Huggins:through one remarkable wetland and attempt to answer a
Adam Huggins:seemingly simple question. But you know what happens to simple
Adam Huggins:questions around here, right?
Richard Hebda:This sounds like it would be just an interesting
Richard Hebda:sort of ecological exercise, right? But it became a very,
Richard Hebda:very big political issue.
Mendel Skulski:Come on in, the water's fine
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Adam Huggins:To get to know peat, you have to get to know
Adam Huggins:bogs. And so we're going to get all up in the business of the
Adam Huggins:most charismatic bog that I know. If you were to visit
Adam Huggins:Vancouver, nestled between the snow capped mountains of the
Adam Huggins:coast ranges and the Salish Sea. First, you should say hi to
Adam Huggins:Mendel.
Mendel Skulski:I live here!
Adam Huggins:And then you should head south across the
Adam Huggins:north and south arms of the Fraser River through the suburb
Adam Huggins:of Richmond, and you will see heavy industry highways,
Adam Huggins:subdivisions, farmland, until you hit the largest undeveloped
Adam Huggins:urban land mass in North America.
Mendel Skulski:And you're thinking undeveloped... urban...
Mendel Skulski:land mass, what does that mean?
Adam Huggins:It's a good question. It basically means, I
Adam Huggins:think, that it's a massive wild land in a major urban center,
Adam Huggins:but that it's not a park. There is no public access here.
Mendel Skulski:This undeveloped urban land mass is actually an
Mendel Skulski:enormous, raised bog.
Adam Huggins:A big, beautiful bog by the name of Burns. Burns
Adam Huggins:Bog. And since it's nearly impossible to access for most
Adam Huggins:people living here, Burns Bog is actually kind of a big black
Adam Huggins:box. A big black box that every so often bursts into flames.
Adam Huggins:News Announcer 1: Fire crews launched a rapid attack from the
Adam Huggins:air and ground today in the hopes of knocking down a fast
Adam Huggins:growing brush fire that sparked in Burns Bog along a stretch of
Adam Huggins:Highway 17 in Delta.
Adam Huggins:News Announcer 2: With an ecological treasure at risk,
Adam Huggins:fire crews in Delta, BC, threw everything they had today at the
Adam Huggins:flames in Burns Bog
Adam Huggins:News Announcer 3: but it is a difficult fire to fight, and
Adam Huggins:officials say that it could continue to burn for days.
Adam Huggins:Man on the Street: Remember the big fire they had in 2005 in the
Adam Huggins:bog, just hope it doesn't get as big.
Adam Huggins:So what's going on here? Well, we've got our bog,
Adam Huggins:and now what we need is our bog whisperer.
Mendel Skulski:Sometimes with some stories, we have no idea
Mendel Skulski:who to talk to first. But for this one, all roads lead back to
Mendel Skulski:one man.
Richard Hebda:My name is Richard Hebda, and I am the
Richard Hebda:curator emeritus at the Royal British Columbia Museum and an
Richard Hebda:adjunct faculty at the University of Victoria,
Richard Hebda:historically, in the biology department the School of Earth
Richard Hebda:and Ocean Sciences and School of Environmental Studies. With
Richard Hebda:respect to Burns Bog, I was the government scientific expert on
Richard Hebda:the ecosystem review for Burns Bog, 25 years ago.
Adam Huggins:And I will say, just from my experience, it's
Adam Huggins:hard to throw a rock around here without hitting one of your
Adam Huggins:students or one of the students of one of your students.
Richard Hebda:We hope people don't throw rocks at them,
Richard Hebda:unless it's because they're doing very good things and that
Richard Hebda:people are scurrilous rogues.
Mendel Skulski:Don't throw rocks at Richard's students,
Mendel Skulski:Adam.
Adam Huggins:I would never! But long before, Richard had an
Adam Huggins:impressive retinue of students, je was just a graduate student
Adam Huggins:himself looking for a project.
Richard Hebda:I had a background in Earth history and
Richard Hebda:in botany. So when I came here, my supervisor of the day, Dr
Richard Hebda:Glenn Rouse said, you know, there's this bog out there in
Richard Hebda:the Fraser lowland. We don't know very much about it.
Adam Huggins:And when a young scientist learns that we don't
Adam Huggins:know much about a thing, it becomes almost irresistible.
Richard Hebda:This was a particularly interesting,
Richard Hebda:different sort of creature, as it turns out, because Burns Bog
Richard Hebda:is a raised bog, and essentially raised bogs make their own
Richard Hebda:environment and essentially create circumstances by which
Richard Hebda:plants that are critical in peat accumulation can thrive and
Richard Hebda:continue. So the whole idea was, well, when and where did it come
Richard Hebda:from? How did it arise and sort of, how does it work?
Mendel Skulski:These were the questions Richard said about
Mendel Skulski:answering in his PhD.
Richard Hebda:How did it get here? It's kind of simple in one
Richard Hebda:way, the Fraser River brings in mud, and it filled in the
Richard Hebda:shallow waters, and in doing so, those lands emerge, like the
Richard Hebda:back of a whale out of the water, and in the process, as
Richard Hebda:they emerge slowly, first being intertidal, seawater influence,
Richard Hebda:freshwater influence. They go through a process of succession
Richard Hebda:of change from lower intertidal plant communities through middle
Richard Hebda:to upper intertidal freshwater marshes, as you see in the
Richard Hebda:Fraser today, and then the organic matter accumulated as
Richard Hebda:peat.
Mendel Skulski:Peat, which is plants, all sorts of plants in a
Mendel Skulski:state of arrested decomposition, because the wet conditions of
Mendel Skulski:this bog in progress don't allow dead plants to fully break down
Mendel Skulski:into soil.
Adam Huggins:Which changes the surface chemistry, and that in
Adam Huggins:turn, changes the plant communities that can grow there.
Adam Huggins:First herbaceous plants and then later woody plants.
Richard Hebda:So willows, red osier dogwoods, Pacific
Richard Hebda:crabapple. And then those plant communities accumulate more
Richard Hebda:peat, but now it's woody, and woody peat is much more acidic.
Adam Huggins:And as things become increasingly acidic, the
Adam Huggins:plant community changes again. With Labrador tea, bog
Adam Huggins:cranberry, bog rosemary, cloudberry, and the star of the
Adam Huggins:show — a whole retinue of colorful sphagnum mosses.
Mendel Skulski:Ta da! That's the birth of a bog.
Richard Hebda:And once the sphagnum mosses begin to
Richard Hebda:establish, they have all sorts of amazing tricks of organic
Richard Hebda:matter chemistry, of water regulation, of being able to
Richard Hebda:grow in situations where there's very low nutrients because the
Richard Hebda:peat's accumulating above the water table. And then they
Richard Hebda:essentially convert this wetland into their own home, in which
Richard Hebda:peat mosses thrive and dominate. And once you get into that, they
Richard Hebda:just keep adding more peat and more peat, as their bodies don't
Richard Hebda:break down, but as they die and only partially decompose and
Richard Hebda:more sphagnum mosses grow.
Adam Huggins:And over the course of about 4000 years,
Adam Huggins:those remarkable non vascular plants, the sphagnum peat
Adam Huggins:mosses, have essentially constructed a dome out of their
Adam Huggins:own dead bodies, with a shallow living fringe on the surface.
Mendel Skulski:And because it's higher in the middle than at the
Mendel Skulski:edges, like a dome, it becomes... get ready for this,
Mendel Skulski:ombrotrophic.
Adam Huggins:Ombrotrophic.
Richard Hebda:Ombrotrophic basically means rain fed. The
Richard Hebda:nutrients that enter the bog that support the growth of all
Richard Hebda:the plants and all the decomposers, and then all the
Richard Hebda:animals that depend on them come from the sky, and that's because
Richard Hebda:the bog itself is actually above the water table, so no water
Richard Hebda:flows into it, because it's higher than everything else, and
Richard Hebda:it drains radially outward from the center of the bog or —
Richard Hebda:sometimes they have ridges outward — from the ridges to the
Richard Hebda:margin. So the only source of water and the only source of
Richard Hebda:nutrients is rainwater.
Adam Huggins:But that's okay, because the sphagnum peat likes
Adam Huggins:low nutrient conditions. And the other plants that grow there,
Adam Huggins:they have unique adaptations to live in this environment. For
Adam Huggins:example, they learn to hunt insects.
Richard Hebda:Carnivorous plants are just amazing, because
Richard Hebda:they're essentially an inside out stomach, they have the
Richard Hebda:digestive juices on the outside, in the case of Sundews, on these
Richard Hebda:little glands with little glistening drops of fluid on the
Richard Hebda:ends of the glands, and those are your digestive juices. So
Richard Hebda:imagine the stomach is outside dissolves insects that fall on
Richard Hebda:it.
Mendel Skulski:I love Sundews. What the hell... pitcher plants!
Adam Huggins:I know we could have made the entire episode
Adam Huggins:about them, but we're not going to do that.
Richard Hebda:So that's how these plants get their nitrogen
Richard Hebda:and the other nutrients that they need, because they don't
Richard Hebda:get them out of the ground very much, because there aren't very
Richard Hebda:much in an ombrotrophic bog.
Adam Huggins:And these unusual plants support an abundance of
Adam Huggins:wildlife.
Richard Hebda:In my days, you know, almost 50 years ago, there
Richard Hebda:were bears and deer and all kinds of other wildlife, much of
Richard Hebda:which is no longer there —
Richard Hebda:to see a Sandhill Crane just, you know, 15 feet away from you
Richard Hebda:in a ditch, just all of a sudden erupt. A bunch of them erupt! —
Richard Hebda:Like, oh my god, there's a black bear sitting in there, you know,
Richard Hebda:10 feet away from eating berries. It doesn't even know
Richard Hebda:I'm there —
Richard Hebda:Then you see these majestic cranes, taking off as they do —
Richard Hebda:because you don't make any noise when you walk on sphagnum. It's
Richard Hebda:cushioned.
Richard Hebda:It's being like, returned to the bosom of the bog. You are part
Richard Hebda:of it, encased in part in it, cushioned by it, and you
Richard Hebda:appreciate it in a way that's just exceptional. Because you
Richard Hebda:hear the insects. You smell the smell of the bark, Labrador tea.
Richard Hebda:You hear the birds like the Sandhill cranes, or the
Richard Hebda:bumblebees flying around pollinating the cranberry
Richard Hebda:flowers, these gorgeous, little pinkish cranberry flowers. You
Richard Hebda:feel it, you smell it, you hear it, it's all there, and you feel
Richard Hebda:as if you're part of it.
Mendel Skulski:These are all reasons why, for Richard, bogs
Mendel Skulski:are more than just ecosystems.
Richard Hebda:The biosphere converts part of the Earth into
Richard Hebda:essentially a superorganism. As we in our own bodies have
Richard Hebda:systems that work together and feed each other and support each
Richard Hebda:other, this macro organism, raised bog does exactly that
Richard Hebda:same thing, the multitude of species and multitude of
Richard Hebda:processes on a huge landscape, that's why I like bogs.
Mendel Skulski:And Burns Bog is just one very southerly
Mendel Skulski:representative of the bogosphere, if you will, a
Mendel Skulski:patchwork that blankets the northern parts of the entire
Mendel Skulski:world.
Adam Huggins:Burns Bog is also representative of many bogs for
Adam Huggins:another reason entirely. It has a long and complicated history
Adam Huggins:of people trying to drain, farm, and fill it, because when
Adam Huggins:European settlers arrived, they simply weren't content to let
Adam Huggins:sleeping bogs lie.
Richard Hebda:Settler history goes back to basically people
Richard Hebda:trying to farm the land. They dug these ditches going into the
Richard Hebda:bog, and they were visible when I was there, or that were
Richard Hebda:invisible sometimes and you would just fall up to your waist
Richard Hebda:in peat and water
Adam Huggins:Kilometers and kilometers of ditches, just like
Adam Huggins:those that we discussed with Robin earlier. Speaking of
Adam Huggins:which, Mendel, you want to know how you can get a bog named
Adam Huggins:after you?
Mendel Skulski:Ooh, how?
Adam Huggins:Try, mostly unsuccessfully, to get rid of
Adam Huggins:it. Burns Bog is named after one Dominic Burns, a rancher who did
Adam Huggins:his damnedest to drain it.
Richard Hebda:And that sort of went on for a while, until the
Richard Hebda:Second World War.
Mendel Skulski:The Second World War, of course, interrupted all
Mendel Skulski:sorts of settler agricultural activity and also created whole
Mendel Skulski:new economies, including the use of peat moss for military first
Mendel Skulski:aid.
Adam Huggins:Antiseptic and absorbent.
Richard Hebda:There was quite a bit of extraction at that time
Richard Hebda:for basically military purposes, but eventually that became
Richard Hebda:converted to the extraction of peat moss for horticultural
Richard Hebda:purposes. And when that came around, then there was this huge
Richard Hebda:extraction of peat from the middle of the bog. It's organic
Richard Hebda:material. The peat, predominantly sphagnum peat, was
Richard Hebda:removed so the heart of the bog was taken out. But like my bald
Richard Hebda:head, there was active living peat communities all around the
Richard Hebda:edges, and they essentially sustained the bog, even though
Richard Hebda:the middle had been taken out, and maintained the water
Richard Hebda:chemistry in the middle, so that the sphagnum mosses came back,
Richard Hebda:essentially in a giant pool, or a giant reticulate network with
Richard Hebda:ridges of peat that remained in open pools.
Mendel Skulski:So I guess you can actually teach an old bog
Mendel Skulski:new tricks.
Adam Huggins:Yes. But meanwhile, more mischief was
Richard Hebda:At the same time as the inside of the bog was
Richard Hebda:afoot.
Richard Hebda:being exploited, dug out, people were nibbling on the edges,
Richard Hebda:converting — conversion irreversible.
Mendel Skulski:All around the bog, chunks of the edges were
Mendel Skulski:being developed.
Adam Huggins:There was the railroad construction, and then
Adam Huggins:the road road construction,
Richard Hebda:A highway went through it, the one that the
Richard Hebda:Alex Fraser Bridge, which, my opinion, never should have been
Richard Hebda:allowed to be built the way it was, and the environmental
Richard Hebda:assessment for it was utterly inadequate.
Mendel Skulski:And then there are the cranberry farms.
Richard Hebda:Some of it was converted to cranberry fields
Richard Hebda:because cranberry fields have turned out to be very lucrative.
Adam Huggins:and we'd be remiss not to mention the gigantic
Adam Huggins:landfill for the City of Vancouver.
Richard Hebda:One of my study sites is now under the dump.
Mendel Skulski:Meanwhile, peat extraction technology was
Mendel Skulski:advancing.
Richard Hebda:Later on, when they got very sophisticated,
Richard Hebda:they would just cut the trees off, and scrape it off and then
Richard Hebda:suck the peat through giant vacuum cleaners.
Adam Huggins:Incidentally, cranberries are also harvested
Adam Huggins:by giant vacuum tubes. I have seen it myself.
Richard Hebda:More sucking. There's a lot of sucking
Richard Hebda:involved,
Adam Huggins:And all of this draining and scraping and
Adam Huggins:dumping and sucking kept eating away at the edges of the bog,
Adam Huggins:but no one seemed to put it much of a fuss. Parts of it would
Adam Huggins:periodically burst into flames. But like so what?
Richard Hebda:It's just a bog. Who cares? Bog, three letter
Richard Hebda:word for bad things. Because, of course, everybody thinks they're
Richard Hebda:horrible places. They don't value them and they don't even
Richard Hebda:understand them. They just throw more garbage on top of them.
Adam Huggins:And some major industrial development proposals
Adam Huggins:were floated for the bog.
Richard Hebda:At that time, which was, I think, in the mid
Richard Hebda:80s. The idea was they would dig the bog out and fill it with
Richard Hebda:sand from dredging of the Fraser River, and then build a huge
Richard Hebda:megaport.
Adam Huggins:That didn't pan out. And so then a 2500 acre
Adam Huggins:industrial development was proposed, and then a horse
Adam Huggins:racing track, and then the Pacific National Exhibition, an
Adam Huggins:amusement park, basically.
Mendel Skulski:But by the 90s, some folks were beginning to
Mendel Skulski:recognize the value of the bog and just how threatened the
Mendel Skulski:remainder was.
Richard Hebda:There was a very strong community group with very
Richard Hebda:skilled and capable people and knowledge who could make the
Richard Hebda:case that this place shouldn't be filled and turned and burned
Richard Hebda:and whatever else.
Adam Huggins:Finally, following years of public pressure and
Adam Huggins:failed development proposals, the province of BC agreed to
Adam Huggins:undertake an ecosystem review of Burns Bog, and they asked
Adam Huggins:Richard to lead it, which initially he was hesitant to do.
Richard Hebda:But the bog had spoken to me a long time before,
Richard Hebda:and I thought, okay, well, I owe it to this, these creatures,
Richard Hebda:this amazing place, which gave me my future, which gave me my
Richard Hebda:job, and has sustained me, has supported my curiosity. I am at
Richard Hebda:one with the bog, and therefore, if I am at one with the bog,
Richard Hebda:then I must be the bog. That's the way I looked at it. So I
Richard Hebda:said, I'll do it.
Mendel Skulski:And to make a long story short, he and a
Mendel Skulski:handful of other scientists did it! In just eight months.
Richard Hebda:You know, I pulled it off. I did it exactly
Richard Hebda:as it should be done in open public forum, with the
Richard Hebda:scientists reporting — people like Ian McTaggart Cowan, who
Richard Hebda:was just unbelievably powerful when he came. Now, Ian McTaggart
Richard Hebda:was the zoologist of British Columbia, a tall man with a
Richard Hebda:powerful voice, and he just said that red mouse — the red back
Richard Hebda:vole — that red mouse, the last time it was seen in British
Richard Hebda:Columbia was in the UBC endowment lands. And I and my
Richard Hebda:wife saw it in the late 1940s.
Adam Huggins:When the report was finally published, the
Adam Huggins:conclusion was stunning. It stated that the vast majority of
Adam Huggins:the remaining bog area, over 2000 hectares, would be required
Adam Huggins:to preserve its viability and sustain its processes. And when
Adam Huggins:it came down to it, Richard was called upon once again, this
Adam Huggins:time by the lawyers, to actually delineate the area that would
Adam Huggins:ultimately be protected, which was a real crisis for him as a
Adam Huggins:scientist.
Richard Hebda:At that point, I truly understood that you cannot
Richard Hebda:be an objective, dispassionate scientist. You cannot be one.
Richard Hebda:Just as we face the future of climate change, we have to make
Richard Hebda:the choices and the decisions and not leave for the government
Richard Hebda:to make or for an industry to make. We have to work to make
Richard Hebda:the best decisions that are possible, and so I did it. So I
Richard Hebda:drew the lines.
Mendel Skulski:And from those lines would eventually emerge
Mendel Skulski:the Burns Bog Ecological Conservancy Area, managed by
Mendel Skulski:Metro Vancouver and the City of Delta to maintain it in
Mendel Skulski:perturity. The bog had been drained and sucked, battered and
Mendel Skulski:bruised, but now it had a fighting chance at life.
Richard Hebda:You know, why would you fill it and kill it?
Richard Hebda:Why would you not think of it as one of the most biologically
Richard Hebda:spiritual creations on the Planet Earth.
Adam Huggins:The fate of one of the most biologically spiritual
Adam Huggins:creations on Planet Earth, and I promise eventually an answer to
Adam Huggins:our question about peat. That's after the break. Now, if you
Adam Huggins:excuse me, I have to go see a man about a bog.
Mendel Skulski:Hey, if you're enjoying the show, check out
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Adam Huggins:Driving down this old gravel road. On my left,
Adam Huggins:Burns Bog. On the right, cranberry farm, actively
Adam Huggins:harvesting... group of men out in waders, water up to their
Adam Huggins:waists, with a giant vacuum hose sucking the cranberries that are
Adam Huggins:floating off of the water surface and into a giant bin.
Adam Huggins:Wild. And another gate. I think this is the third gate. Gates
Adam Huggins:everywhere.
Mendel Skulski:Wait, I didn't get to go along for this ride. I
Mendel Skulski:feel so left out. I thought you said members of the public
Mendel Skulski:couldn't actually get in to Burns Bog.
Adam Huggins:I mean, they generally can't, except for a
Adam Huggins:tiny piece called The Delta Nature Reserve, which is nice to
Adam Huggins:visit if you can. But I am no ordinary member of the general
Adam Huggins:public, Mendel. I have special clearance — from a friend who
Adam Huggins:got me inside.
Adam Huggins:I don't think I have ever eaten a fresh cranberry right off a
Adam Huggins:bush.
Drew Elves:Not a cultivar.
Adam Huggins:This is native?
Drew Elves:Yeah.
Adam Huggins:that is delicious
Drew Elves:Tart though, huh?
Adam Huggins:Oh, but I love things that are sour. Oh my god.
Drew Elves:That's good.
Adam Huggins:I love sour things.
Mendel Skulski:Ah, yes. You were there to see your good
Mendel Skulski:friend... the cranberry.
Adam Huggins:Of course, and my colleague, Drew Elves.
Drew Elves:I teach at University of Victoria in the
Drew Elves:Restoration of Natural Systems program and in the School of
Drew Elves:Environmental Studies. I am ecohydrologist by training, a
Drew Elves:peatland ecohydrologist with a focus on sphagnum mosses.
Adam Huggins:So I'm standing out there in the bog with Drew,
Adam Huggins:bobbing up and down on this thick mat of peat in the sun.
Mendel Skulski:No, I'm not jealous. Thanks for asking.
Adam Huggins:And we're looking at this wild variety of colors
Adam Huggins:all around us.
Drew Elves:Like, we're looking at this field right now, and
Drew Elves:there's a cornucopia of color, right? There are so many greens,
Drew Elves:so many reds, so many buffs.
Adam Huggins:And these colors we're seeing, they tend to
Adam Huggins:correspond to different species of sphagnum moss.
Drew Elves:There are 12 documented species
Adam Huggins:Growing in slightly different parts of the
Adam Huggins:mossy landscape, the hummocks and the hollows.
Drew Elves:The ones that make the hummocks, they are slow
Drew Elves:growing and they're recalcitrant, meaning they don't
Drew Elves:readily decompose. These recalcitrant hummock species are
Drew Elves:really resilient. They can take up water and stay moist much
Drew Elves:further into the drought period than hollow forming species. The
Drew Elves:Hollow forming species, though, they'll grow really fast, but
Drew Elves:then they don't have the specific phenolics, meaning they
Drew Elves:don't have those chemicals that impede breaking down. They're
Drew Elves:not robust in that way. They decay.
Mendel Skulski:Tag yourself. I'm the not-so-resilient fast
Mendel Skulski:grower.
Adam Huggins:I'm recalcitrant, slow and stubborn all the way.
Drew Elves:So it's two very different traits. One's a hare,
Drew Elves:one's a tortoise. The hare are the hollow growing species.
Drew Elves:They'll grow really fast during a time when moisture conditions
Drew Elves:are right and temperature conditions are right, and
Drew Elves:they'll grow really quickly. So because of that, they are
Drew Elves:lateral growers. Whereas these hummocks, they slowly build up.
Drew Elves:They have this like apical bud, meaning a topmost layer where
Drew Elves:they keep growing from. And so they just keep growing higher
Drew Elves:and higher.
Adam Huggins:So it's a beautiful, diverse bog scene.
Adam Huggins:But at the same time, this is a part of the bog that was
Adam Huggins:harvested and prepared to be a cranberry farm before it was
Adam Huggins:abandoned. It's still recovering from that disturbance.
Drew Elves:The hydrology has been brought back to within
Drew Elves:historical bounds, and that means that peat forming
Drew Elves:processes have been reinitiated
Adam Huggins:and Drew is there studying that recovery.
Mendel Skulski:How is he doing that?
Adam Huggins:With light and a very, very nice camera pointed
Adam Huggins:directly at the ground.
Drew Elves:We can take the properties of light. The sun
Drew Elves:comes in, and it encodes a lot of information, especially for
Drew Elves:plants and photosynthetic organisms, right? What they use,
Drew Elves:what they take. Meaning, what part of the sun's light that
Drew Elves:they use at different times of year, and then what they reflect
Drew Elves:back can tell us a lot about what's happening underneath.
Adam Huggins:And just as a very basic example, when sphagnum
Adam Huggins:moss gets dry, it tends to turn white, and that increases the
Adam Huggins:albedo of the bog, helping reflect sunlight and cool things
Adam Huggins:down a bit. That's something that we can see with just our
Adam Huggins:eyeballs, but Drew is looking at what we can learn with better
Adam Huggins:equipment than what nature gave any of us.
Drew Elves:The affordances we have in terms of our vision,
Drew Elves:they're not entirely objective, right? I often tell students,
Drew Elves:you know, remember that dress?
Adam Huggins:You know the dress, right Mendel?
Mendel Skulski:Ah the dress, of course I do. It's obviously
Mendel Skulski:black and blue.
Adam Huggins:Oh no, it's clearly white and gold.
Adam Huggins:What color was the dress?
Drew Elves:I don't answer that question, because I think as a
Drew Elves:lot of people who have a significant other, it may be led
Drew Elves:to a bit of acrimony, and so I'm not going to say what color the
Drew Elves:dress was.
Adam Huggins:So instead of relying on his merely human
Adam Huggins:vision, Drew is using the NDVI.
Mendel Skulski:The what?
Drew Elves:The Normalized Difference Vegetation Index. So
Drew Elves:that's where it goes from being the dress and being subjective,
Drew Elves:to being something that's standardized and reproducible
Drew Elves:and decipherable.
Adam Huggins:And I brought us here just to say that this is a
Adam Huggins:lot of what goes on in the black box of Burns Bog. It's basic
Adam Huggins:science — developing techniques to better understand all bogs,
Adam Huggins:by studying the recovery of this bog.
Mendel Skulski:That's so cool. And you know, how are things
Mendel Skulski:going?
Adam Huggins:Well, we did mention that the bog
Adam Huggins:occasionally erupts into flames, right?
Mendel Skulski:We did.
Adam Huggins:And that's because those kilometers and kilometers
Adam Huggins:of ditches and roads crisscrossing the bog, many of
Adam Huggins:them are still actively draining it, drying it out. And a big
Adam Huggins:pile of dead dry peat is a magnet for wildfire. This is the
Adam Huggins:primary reason why the public isn't allowed in the bog.
Mendel Skulski:Sure that makes sense.
Adam Huggins:But in addition to researchers, there are also
Adam Huggins:folks in here looking after the bog, and so I caught up with a
Adam Huggins:couple of them on a group field trip on a freezing cold, rainy
Adam Huggins:day. You're actually going to hear the raindrops hitting the
Adam Huggins:microphone, and I just want you to know that every single one of
Adam Huggins:them felt like frostbite on my hand.
Mendel Skulski:Thank you for your service.
Adam Huggins:It is also on the flight path of the Vancouver
Adam Huggins:International Airport, and so there was so much plane noise.
Markus Merkens:I'm Markus Merkens. I'm a Regional Parks
Markus Merkens:Biologist, and I've been working in the bog for the past 15 and a
Markus Merkens:half years, trying to take care of the bog the best I can. I'm
Markus Merkens:gonna pass over to Sarah here.
Sarah Howie:Sarah Howie, Climate Action and Environment
Sarah Howie:Manager with the City of Delta. I've been working in the bog
Sarah Howie:since the year 2000, and Markus and I co-manage the bog.
Adam Huggins:And without much further ado, they ushered us
Adam Huggins:into the bog.
Sarah Howie:If you see what looks like a mud puddle, don't
Sarah Howie:step there, because it's basically a sinkhole and you
Sarah Howie:will fall in. That would be a fun experience for you, but we'd
Sarah Howie:rather you not have to deal with that, so you can just step on
Sarah Howie:the vegetation instead. It'll keep you afloat.
Markus Merkens:Bogs are incredibly complex ecosystems,
Markus Merkens:and to quote a professor of mine at UBC, bog ecology isn't rocket
Markus Merkens:science, it's way more complicated than that.
Adam Huggins:Markus told us that the peat in Burns Bog is
Adam Huggins:five to eight meters thick, and to demonstrate, he pulled out a
Adam Huggins:Russian peat auger.
Markus Merkens:So I've just taken a core sample of the bog.
Markus Merkens:This peat is about a meter and a half below ground. This was
Markus Merkens:sequestered at a time when the Vikings were exploring the
Markus Merkens:eastern coast of North America. That's how long ago this was
Markus Merkens:laid down.
Markus Merkens:Bog tour participant: Welcome back to the sunlight.
Adam Huggins:So Mendel, as you know, normally, bogs are too wet
Adam Huggins:for anything but a few stunted trees to grow. But where we were
Adam Huggins:walking, there were hundreds of dead burnt out tree trunks, and
Adam Huggins:beneath them, thousands of stout little pine saplings.
Markus Merkens:If you look around us, you can see these
Markus Merkens:burnt out trees. These are the trees that release the cones and
Markus Merkens:seeds post fire. And if you look behind me, you can see the
Markus Merkens:lodgepole pine stand very dense. If you have six trees in a
Markus Merkens:square meter or square yard, you have 60,000 stems per hectare.
Markus Merkens:So that's, that's a huge number of trees.
Mendel Skulski:Oh, my God. What is it with us and this season
Mendel Skulski:and cataloging the density of stands of trees?
Adam Huggins:I have no idea. Honestly, it is a through line.
Adam Huggins:There were a lot of pines there.
Mendel Skulski:Yeah, what's up with that?
Adam Huggins:Well, when you start draining a bog, you make
Adam Huggins:it a lot easier for trees to grow, because it was the water
Adam Huggins:level that was keeping them out. And when trees start growing,
Adam Huggins:they start transpiring water. Lots and lots of that water.
Markus Merkens:Trees are hydrological pumps. Pine is a
Markus Merkens:weaker pump than other species, but in the aggregate, 60,000
Markus Merkens:stems per hectare push a lot of water out of the bog.
Adam Huggins:They suck water out of the ground.
Mendel Skulski:More sucking
Adam Huggins:And then things get even drier still, and then
Adam Huggins:they catch fire and burn. And then the seed cones open, and
Adam Huggins:1000s more trees start to grow, and the vicious cycle continues.
Mendel Skulski:So what are they doing about it?
Markus Merkens:We physically remove by hand trees, now over a
Markus Merkens:19 hectare, or almost 50 acre section of the burn that
Markus Merkens:happened, which was 37 hectares within the conservancy area. So
Markus Merkens:very labor intensive.
Adam Huggins:They rip up and pile the trees. I pulled a few
Adam Huggins:myself just to be helpful. You know?
Adam Huggins:Oh, that is delicious.
Mendel Skulski:...Are you eating cranberries again?
Adam Huggins:Possibly, but more to the point, the trees are only
Adam Huggins:one part of the problem. Those old settler drainage ditches are
Adam Huggins:still doing their thing.
Mendel Skulski:Ouch.
Adam Huggins:And as the bog is drying out, especially at the
Adam Huggins:edges, the peat is subsiding away as it's being oxidized,
Adam Huggins:with all of that carbon going back up into the atmosphere.
Mendel Skulski:Whoa. It's kind of like the bog is still
Mendel Skulski:burning, only on a slower time scale.
Adam Huggins:Yeah, you could definitely look at it that way.
Adam Huggins:And this edge of the bog, also known as the lagg, is where
Adam Huggins:organic peat meets the surrounding mineral soils. As
Adam Huggins:Richard told me, it's really important.
Richard Hebda:You can't have a bog without a lagg. Essentially,
Richard Hebda:the lagg is kind of like that transitional skin on your body.
Richard Hebda:If you don't have that, if you just cut into the tissue and
Richard Hebda:expose the raw flesh, you die, you scar right. The more cuts,
Richard Hebda:the more it's bleeding, the less chance it has to survive. And so
Richard Hebda:we need to stop the loss of water, in this case, the life
Richard Hebda:blood of the bog.
Adam Huggins:Fortunately, Sarah Howie is an expert on laggs and
Adam Huggins:how to revive them.
Sarah Howie:So Markus has been talking about his big tree
Sarah Howie:seedling removal project. My project that I've been working
Sarah Howie:on for 20 years is restoring the water table in the bog. So
Sarah Howie:there's about 100 kilometers of drainage ditches that were put
Sarah Howie:into the bog during the peat harvesting days. So we're trying
Sarah Howie:to reverse that and stop those ditches from draining. So we've
Sarah Howie:got these dams, about 479 dams, and almost all of them were
Sarah Howie:built by hand, by people carrying materials and shovels
Sarah Howie:into the bog, digging borrow pits of peat, filling the dams
Sarah Howie:with peat, and actually using Coroplast boards like these
Sarah Howie:ones, recycled election signs.
Mendel Skulski:Election signs?
Adam Huggins:Yes, even bog restoration is political,
Adam Huggins:Mendel.
Unknown:After we would have a local election, they were really
Unknown:just going to dispose of them anyway, and so, yeah, they're
Unknown:buried. They're basically like sheet piling, and we use them to
Unknown:block the flow of water in the ditches and then cover it with
Unknown:peat so that the plastic is not exposed. It's buried basically
Unknown:forever in the peat.
Adam Huggins:Sarah says this works so well because the signs
Adam Huggins:are really light and pretty tough, you can carry them into
Adam Huggins:the bog on your back and create permanent ditch blocks.
Sarah Howie:And because we have to, you know, walk for
Sarah Howie:kilometers sometimes to get to the places where we're working,
Sarah Howie:that's the best material. And we actually ran this by our
Sarah Howie:scientific advisory panel before deciding to put this plastic in
Sarah Howie:the bog and and they said, because it's going to be buried
Sarah Howie:essentially forever in the bog, it's inert. It's not
Sarah Howie:contributing chemicals or nutrients. I mean, I don't love
Sarah Howie:the idea of putting plastic out there, but it's buried, and it's
Sarah Howie:not damaging the bog in any way.
Mendel Skulski:I guess sometimes practicality comes
Mendel Skulski:before romance. Are they also using, like, big heavy machinery
Mendel Skulski:excavators, like Robin?
Adam Huggins:At times, yeah.
Sarah Howie:It's actually the same excavator operator that was
Sarah Howie:working for the peat harvesting folks, and now he's helping us
Sarah Howie:with restoration.
Adam Huggins:Sarah told me that they've basically blocked off
Adam Huggins:most of the ditches in the center of the bog, and so she's
Adam Huggins:turned her attention to the lagg.
Sarah Howie:The next goal is to restore the edge, and that's
Sarah Howie:probably going to take me to the end of my career.
Adam Huggins:But that's all right, because, as Richard told
Adam Huggins:us, they have a 100 year restoration plan in place for
Adam Huggins:the bog, and we're just a quarter of the way into it.
Richard Hebda:I think that in the 25 years that we've been
Richard Hebda:doing this work and gathering more knowledge, it's as well and
Richard Hebda:better than I had hoped for.
Adam Huggins:You can see that, especially in the middle of the
Adam Huggins:bog.
Sarah Howie:The water levels are generally where they're
Sarah Howie:supposed to be, within about half a meter of the surface,
Adam Huggins:But we are not out of the woods yet, not by a long
Adam Huggins:shot.
Sarah Howie:The other issue that we're dealing with is
Sarah Howie:climate change. So we've re-wetted the bog, we've raised
Sarah Howie:the water table, and now we're getting drier summers, and so
Sarah Howie:it's much hotter, and the water table is dropping.
Adam Huggins:And so Sarah will continue blocking ditches, and
Adam Huggins:Markus will keep removing trees, and Drew and other researchers
Adam Huggins:will continue to study the system, and hopefully, in the
Adam Huggins:meantime, the bog doesn't go up in smoke.
Mendel Skulski:So it's great to hear that some level of recovery
Mendel Skulski:is possible, right? At least on a 100 year time scale. But it's
Mendel Skulski:clear that harvesting the peat from this bog, along with other
Mendel Skulski:disturbances, has had a pretty profoundly negative impact.
Adam Huggins:Which brings us back to the question that we
Adam Huggins:started with. Can we justify harvesting peat from bogs so
Adam Huggins:that we can use it to grow plants, say, native plants for
Adam Huggins:restoration?
Mendel Skulski:To answer that question, we needed to talk to
Mendel Skulski:one more person.
Line Rochefort:My name is Line Rochefort, Professor in
Line Rochefort:Restoration Ecology, holding a chair in Ecosystem Restoration,
Line Rochefort:and also I'm the North American national expert at the RAMSAR
Line Rochefort:Convention.
Mendel Skulski:Line is widely recognized as Canada's leading
Mendel Skulski:expert on peatland restoration
Line Rochefort:Canada, in terms of managing, caring for
Line Rochefort:peatlands has a world responsibility, because we have
Line Rochefort:a lot of carbon stock in our peatland, 34% of all the
Line Rochefort:peatlands in the world are in Canada.
Mendel Skulski:followed by 33% in Russia. So between our two
Mendel Skulski:circumboreal nations, there are two thirds of the world's
Mendel Skulski:peatland, which is a lot of carbon. Now Lynn is quick to
Mendel Skulski:point out that peatland destruction is a serious issue
Mendel Skulski:at a global and a regional level, especially in the more
Mendel Skulski:developed parts of southern Canada.
Adam Huggins:Like the Fraser Valley, where Burns Bog is
Adam Huggins:located.
Mendel Skulski:But overall, she says of Canada's total 128
Mendel Skulski:million hectares of peatland, only a tiny fraction have been
Mendel Skulski:directly impacted, estimated at less than 2%
Adam Huggins:These and the numbers that follow are from the
Adam Huggins:2022 UN Global Peatlands Assessment, by the way.
Line Rochefort:So in Canada, if we go by order of impacts
Line Rochefort:through time, we have drained for agriculture, 1.3 million
Line Rochefort:hectares of peatland.
Adam Huggins:About and after agriculture, the next biggest
Adam Huggins:impact to Canadian peatlands is actually the fossil fuel
Adam Huggins:industry.
Line Rochefort:Second in line is the oil and gas and we don't
Line Rochefort:have national statistics about all our impacts, but we do know
Line Rochefort:that it's about 400,000 hectare. So, it's an order of magnitude
Line Rochefort:less than what happened with agriculture.
Mendel Skulski:And after fossil energy, next comes hydro
Mendel Skulski:electricity.
Line Rochefort:Hydro dams. So a lot of flooding in peatland rich
Line Rochefort:area, be it in Quebec, Newfoundland, Manitoba,
Mendel Skulski:And then it's good old fashioned drainage.
Line Rochefort:Some drainage for forestry, for urban
Line Rochefort:expansion, road development.
Adam Huggins:And finally, we have the subject of our inquiry,
Adam Huggins:peat extraction for peat extraction's sake.
Line Rochefort:One of the least is using it for peat. Since
Line Rochefort:1931, about 38,000 hectare.
Adam Huggins:In other words, the area of peatland that has
Adam Huggins:been impacted by harvesting for horticultural uses is absolutely
Adam Huggins:dwarfed by the area impacted by agriculture, oil and gas and
Adam Huggins:other forms of development, all of which has only impacted a
Adam Huggins:small portion of the bogs in Canada. But even so, when you go
Adam Huggins:to the store and buy a bag of peat, chances are good that it's
Adam Huggins:coming from right here in Canada.
Line Rochefort:Canada is one of the biggest peat producer in the
Line Rochefort:world. The use of peat in Canada is really in horticulture. 85%
Line Rochefort:is sold in the United States. It's for the professional grower
Line Rochefort:in greenhouses, cucumber, green pepper, tomatoes and the
Line Rochefort:mushroom industry.
Adam Huggins:So for Canada, peat is largely an export
Adam Huggins:industry. Historically, some of that peat was harvested from
Adam Huggins:bogs in Western Canada, like Burns Bog, especially after the
Adam Huggins:Second World War. But for the most part today, that peat is
Adam Huggins:coming from the vast boreal peatlands of central and eastern
Adam Huggins:Canada. And before we continue, it's important to mention that
Adam Huggins:much of Line's research has been funded and undertaken in
Adam Huggins:partnership with the horticultural peat industry —
Adam Huggins:something that she is proud of.
Line Rochefort:What I would say is that it's an industry that
Line Rochefort:really care about managing the resource, because it's really
Line Rochefort:their living and usually they are family based, type of
Line Rochefort:companies also the been investing since the end of the
Line Rochefort:80s to develop peatland restoration measure or to manage
Line Rochefort:better. I have always been a big believer that it's good that
Line Rochefort:more biologists, environmentalists and on that
Line Rochefort:should work with industry to find solutions.
Mendel Skulski:So Line is sympathetic to her industry
Mendel Skulski:partners. And to be fair, they've come a long way
Mendel Skulski:together.
Line Rochefort:Before I started, nobody knew how to
Line Rochefort:manipulate masses on a large scale with machines without
Line Rochefort:killing everything.
Adam Huggins:To address this, Line and her colleagues in the
Adam Huggins:Peatland Ecology Research Group eventually developed what has
Adam Huggins:become known internationally as the Moss Layer Transfer
Adam Huggins:Technique. To make a long story short.
Line Rochefort:Uh... it's very technical, but in peatlands, we
Line Rochefort:have two hydrological layer one is called the acrotelm, the
Line Rochefort:other one the catatelm.
Adam Huggins:The catatelm is the thick mass of dead peat
Adam Huggins:that's typically below the water table and storing most of the
Adam Huggins:carbon.
Mendel Skulski:And the acrotelm is the thinner layer composed
Mendel Skulski:largely of living peat on the surface, kind of like your skin.
Mendel Skulski:No wait, kind of the opposite of your skin. Kind of like a tree.
Mendel Skulski:Wait, no, kind of the opposite of a tree. It's pretty
Mendel Skulski:different.
Adam Huggins:Yeah. So it's the first 10 or so centimeters of
Adam Huggins:the acrotelm
Line Rochefort:Where there's all the propagules — spores,
Line Rochefort:seeds.
Adam Huggins:Everything you need to catalyze the recovery of
Adam Huggins:a bog that's been harvested.
Line Rochefort:Once you have a peatland that's been drained for
Line Rochefort:maybe 20 years, we need, usually to reprofile to a fresh peat,
Line Rochefort:because we really need to have a good contact by capillary rise
Line Rochefort:of the water.
Adam Huggins:And so the top 10 centimeters of acrotelm is
Adam Huggins:collected from a donor site, usually the next site to be
Adam Huggins:harvested, and then is spread on top of the restoration site.
Line Rochefort:So once we spread all our material, then we
Line Rochefort:need to protect it with a straw mulch. Usually that we use, it's
Line Rochefort:to create a microclimate, because the mosses have no
Line Rochefort:roots.
Mendel Skulski:And in addition to straw mulch, they add
Mendel Skulski:phosphorus.
Line Rochefort:Because phosphorus is good. It's not
Line Rochefort:necessarily there to help the sphagnum, but it's another moss
Line Rochefort:that we need a nursing plan. We call it polytrichum.
Adam Huggins:Go into any bog, and amidst all that fluffy
Adam Huggins:sphagnum, you're likely to see other mosses, including the
Adam Huggins:pointier polytrichum, looking like a miniature palm tree. Or
Adam Huggins:as Line calls them, little aloes.
Line Rochefort:Or pineapple, because they have all these
Line Rochefort:spikes along the edge.
Adam Huggins:I found this aspect particularly fascinating.
Adam Huggins:Line and her colleagues have discovered that a little bit of
Adam Huggins:phosphorus really helps polytrichum to establish in the
Adam Huggins:transplanted sphagnum. And this polytrichum is much taller than
Adam Huggins:the sphagnum
Line Rochefort:So that's why, if you get this polytrichum,
Line Rochefort:nice carpet to establish, then it binds the peat and also
Line Rochefort:creates a nice microclimate.
Adam Huggins:And that miniature forest of polytrichum protects
Adam Huggins:the sphagnum moss from destruction through frost
Adam Huggins:heaving, which otherwise can be really damaging in northern
Adam Huggins:climates.
Line Rochefort:The sphagnum survive there, like, you know,
Line Rochefort:in the shadow, but they take over because they are a
Line Rochefort:co-engineer type of organism.
Mendel Skulski:That's so cool.
Adam Huggins:Yep. And then the last step, you re-wet the bog.
Line Rochefort:You have to re wet. You have to block the
Line Rochefort:ditches.
Mendel Skulski:And that's about it. Presto. There's a functional
Mendel Skulski:bog, once again.
Line Rochefort:Yes, we do get the bog at the end of it, we
Line Rochefort:have a rate of 75% success.
Adam Huggins:Based on Line's monitoring work. It takes about
Adam Huggins:nine to 12 years for the bog to once again become a carbon sink,
Adam Huggins:and about 20 years to fully offset the carbon cost of the
Adam Huggins:restoration.
Line Rochefort:The biodiversity in terms of vascular plants, we
Line Rochefort:know that after five years, we're getting 82% back. What
Line Rochefort:does not come back easily is like orchids, but you know, they
Line Rochefort:have a complicated reproductive cycle.
Mendel Skulski:So it's pretty good, but not perfect.
Adam Huggins:Restoration just never is. But as far as Line is
Adam Huggins:concerned,
Line Rochefort:in Canada, sphagnum-dominated peatland
Line Rochefort:restoration is close to a solved problem.
Adam Huggins:She's now turned her attention to the restoration
Adam Huggins:of fens, which are a different kind of peatland, and to
Adam Huggins:mitigating the impacts of wildfire on peatlands, which is
Adam Huggins:an emerging and very pressing issue.
Mendel Skulski:Yes, so to return to our question, what
Mendel Skulski:does Line think about using peat for restoration and for
Mendel Skulski:horticulture?
Line Rochefort:Well, I see peat. It's a bit hard to replace
Line Rochefort:for now, I think we should not stop ourselves from finding
Line Rochefort:solution of other growing substrate.
Adam Huggins:But she argues, all of the alternatives
Adam Huggins:currently on the market have their own issues. Wood chips,
Adam Huggins:for example, are not a great replacement.
Line Rochefort:Productivity when you're using just wood
Line Rochefort:chips goes down quickly, when you don't have at least mix with
Line Rochefort:some sphagnum.
Mendel Skulski:and rock wool, also used in home insulation,
Mendel Skulski:takes a lot of energy to produce and isn't biodegradable.
Line Rochefort:Piles of things that goes in the dump, do not decompose.
Adam Huggins:Coconut coir, while it is a byproduct of palm
Adam Huggins:plantations in India and Sri Lanka, has serious labor land
Adam Huggins:use, water use and transportation issues to consider.
Line Rochefort:Coconut fiber, it is a good growing substrate,
Line Rochefort:but it's it's ecological footprint. You really have to
Line Rochefort:look at your whole life cycle analysis,
Mendel Skulski:Plus something we weren't even thinking about,
Mendel Skulski:perlite, which is often used in soil mixes, is a mineral which
Mendel Skulski:itself is extracted and processed in a very energy
Mendel Skulski:intensive way.
Line Rochefort:Make sure you don't do mixes with perlite,
Line Rochefort:because the perlite, if ever it goes in the environment, it
Line Rochefort:floats and then amphibian can choke on that.
Adam Huggins:Line pointed us to the only peer-reviewed study
Adam Huggins:that we could find specifically on our question, which performed
Adam Huggins:a life cycle analysis of the environmental impacts of peat
Adam Huggins:extracted in Latvia compared to imported rock wool and coconut
Adam Huggins:coir. Latvia, incidentally, also exports about 85% of its peat,
Adam Huggins:just like Canada. The researchers found that the full
Adam Huggins:life cycle impact of coconut coir was seven times higher than
Adam Huggins:that of peat. Rockwool, significantly better than coir,
Adam Huggins:but still higher impact than peat.
Mendel Skulski:To our knowledge, there is yet to be a
Mendel Skulski:similar study on Canadian peat, but it's likely that the results
Mendel Skulski:would be pretty similar. So it would appear that all of the
Mendel Skulski:commercial alternatives to peat for horticultural use are at
Mendel Skulski:best, flawed and at worst, worse.
Adam Huggins:Still, does that mean that we should be using it?
Adam Huggins:We asked some of the other folks that we spoke to. This is Drew again.
Drew Elves:I bought peat for the first time in my life this
Drew Elves:past spring, and it was because we were planting bog Labrador
Drew Elves:Tea in this small pocket bog, this engineered bog in a Place
Drew Elves:of Medicine at UVic. How did it feel? Really complicated.
Mendel Skulski:And Richard is an interesting case, because in
Mendel Skulski:addition to being a bog restorationist, he's also a
Mendel Skulski:serious horticulturalist. Besides Burns Bog, his other big
Mendel Skulski:project is studying the productivity of potatoes under
Mendel Skulski:climate change. And he strikes a cautious note on the subject of peat.
Richard Hebda:I think for certain kinds of horticultural
Richard Hebda:uses, sphagnum peat is the best choice, and that would be things
Richard Hebda:like rhododendrons, things that require acidic environments.
Adam Huggins:As for the alternatives, he acknowledged
Adam Huggins:that there are lifecycle issues, but he turned the question on
Adam Huggins:its head a bit.
Richard Hebda:What's renewable on a short time scale? Coconut
Richard Hebda:husks, not sphagnum moss on peatlands.
Adam Huggins:And while he recognized the work of Line and
Adam Huggins:others in this area
Richard Hebda:Dr Rochefort has shown, yes, you can recover
Richard Hebda:small scale excavations of peat and bring back peat species, but
Richard Hebda:you have very strong constraints on what you can do.
Adam Huggins:He also argues that what is lost is more than
Adam Huggins:just carbon dioxide.
Richard Hebda:the consequences on large areas of feed land
Richard Hebda:being harvested for peat takes away millennia of organic matter
Richard Hebda:accumulation and disturbs that PEAT ecosystem. And on the basis
Richard Hebda:of what we need to use peat as just as an organic matter in
Richard Hebda:soil, I think it's not appropriate, not for large
Richard Hebda:scale. This is where we need to be growing all kinds of organic
Richard Hebda:matter and returning it to the ground and into our ecosystems
Adam Huggins:Like compost, he says. Lots of compost. It's not
Adam Huggins:a perfect peat substitute for some uses, but for others, it
Adam Huggins:definitely gets the job done.
Mendel Skulski:Yeah, I think we can all get behind that. So to
Mendel Skulski:finally summarize the answer to our question, synthesized from
Mendel Skulski:all of these conversations, in the style of Michael Pollan, use
Mendel Skulski:peat, not too much, and whenever possible, use compost instead.
Adam Huggins:And if you do use some peat, always keep in mind
Adam Huggins:that what you're using is part of a super organism.
Richard Hebda:The bog is a quintessential embodiment and
Richard Hebda:example of what goes on all over the natural ecosystems of our
Richard Hebda:Earth. So the hydrosphere, the water table, the atmosphere, the
Richard Hebda:source of the rain and the oxygen that they need, the
Richard Hebda:carbon dioxide that they need, the Geosphere, the physical
Richard Hebda:substrate upon which the conditions are such that the
Richard Hebda:sediments, the peat, can accumulate to support all the
Richard Hebda:living creatures, the living creatures of the raised bog,
Richard Hebda:which you can draw a circle around. It's a porous boundary,
Richard Hebda:but there is a boundary, and you can see it and understand it as
Richard Hebda:a physical structure living in equilibrium, a dynamic
Richard Hebda:equilibrium, that it's shaping for itself with the hydrosphere,
Richard Hebda:the atmosphere and the Geosphere. And now we face the
Richard Hebda:greatest challenge of all — where the social sphere is now
Richard Hebda:of a scale equal to the other four spheres in terms of shaping
Richard Hebda:the land, but not in equilibrium. And what's the
Richard Hebda:fundamental lesson from those other four spheres? They will
Richard Hebda:bring us back into equilibrium. And we all have to take
Richard Hebda:responsibility to speak for them. To listen to them and
Richard Hebda:speak for them.
Mendel Skulski:In this episode, you heard the voices of Robin
Mendel Skulski:Annschild, Richard Hebda, Drew Elves, Markus Merkens, Sarah
Mendel Skulski:Howie, and Line Rochefort. Music by yours truly, Thumbug, and
Mendel Skulski:Sunfish Moon Light.
Mendel Skulski:Special thanks to the Wetland Project, Brady Marks and Mark
Mendel Skulski:Timmings for letting us use a clip from their incredible 24
Mendel Skulski:hour recording of a marsh on ṮEḴTEḴSEN Saturna island, on
Mendel Skulski:unceded W̱SÁNEĆ territory. And to the organizers of the 2024
Mendel Skulski:SER North American Conference, Tony Ballard specifically, thanks.
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