Introduction Voiceover:

You are listening to Season Six of

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Future Ecologies.

Mendel Skulski:

Test, test one, two, Bumblebee, tuna, rabble,

Mendel Skulski:

rabble, rhubarb, rhubarb, good to see ya. Okay, hi everybody! I

Mendel Skulski:

am Mendel.

Adam Huggins:

and I'm Adam

Mendel Skulski:

and today we're joined in the studio by... a red

Mendel Skulski:

legged frog!

Mendel Skulski:

...potentially more than one red legged frog.

Adam Huggins:

a chorus of randy red legged frogs, recorded with

Adam Huggins:

a hydrophone during their breeding season in February — in

Adam Huggins:

a half frozen wetland that I helped to restore a couple of

Adam Huggins:

years back.

Mendel Skulski:

Recorded with a hydrophone, because this species

Mendel Skulski:

only vocalizes underwater.

Adam Huggins:

Yeah, otherwise, they are pretty darn quiet.

Mendel Skulski:

They're adorable!

Adam Huggins:

And they make this sound all night long, like up to

Adam Huggins:

14 hours, pretty chatty for a creature few people ever get to

Adam Huggins:

hear

Mendel Skulski:

Yeah, for reasons, not just that so few of

Mendel Skulski:

us are underwater in February, but because the red legged frog

Mendel Skulski:

has been in steep decline for many years, due largely to the

Mendel Skulski:

loss of wetlands throughout their range.

Adam Huggins:

Which is one of the reasons why Mendel, you and

Adam Huggins:

I share a hobby in addition to making this show.

Mendel Skulski:

Yeah.

Adam Huggins:

Which is that we both work to restore wetlands.

Mendel Skulski:

Well, that's charitable. You work to restore

Mendel Skulski:

wetlands. I dabble in restoring wetland. That is, one little

Mendel Skulski:

urban wetland in my neighborhood in Vancouver.

Adam Huggins:

Yeah, it's a cute wetland, though.

Mendel Skulski:

I love it.

Adam Huggins:

And to do that, we have both had the opportunity to

Adam Huggins:

work with the same remarkable woman.

Robin Annschild:

What are we going to talk about?

Adam Huggins:

Well, the very first thing to do is to

Adam Huggins:

introduce yourself. Who are you?

Robin Annschild:

My name is Robin Ann's child, and I design

Robin Annschild:

and build wetland and stream restoration projects.

Mendel Skulski:

On any given day, you're likely to encounter

Mendel Skulski:

Robin up to her ankles in mud, sporting a hardhat and a

Mendel Skulski:

high-viz vest, orchestrating the actions of up to a half dozen

Mendel Skulski:

heavy machine operators — all working together to answer one

Mendel Skulski:

important question.

Robin Annschild:

what is it that we need to do in that watershed

Robin Annschild:

to restore a healthy relationship between the soil

Robin Annschild:

and the water?

Adam Huggins:

And the reason that this question is so

Adam Huggins:

important is that we humans, of the colonial variety, have

Adam Huggins:

seriously disrupted that relationship basically

Adam Huggins:

everywhere that we have settled. Across North America, over 50%

Adam Huggins:

of all wetlands have been lost since the 1700s and that loss

Adam Huggins:

has actually accelerated in recent years, despite no net

Adam Huggins:

loss policies and mitigation efforts. It's even worse in some

Adam Huggins:

areas, like where I'm from, in California, where over 90% of

Adam Huggins:

wetlands have been lost. In British Columbia, that number is

Adam Huggins:

closer to 70%

Mendel Skulski:

And when you say lost, you mean...

Adam Huggins:

Drained and converted for other uses.

Robin Annschild:

We have significant cultural amnesia

Robin Annschild:

about how we've changed these landscapes where we live. In

Robin Annschild:

Europe, where certainly my ancestors came from, there had

Robin Annschild:

already been centuries, if not millennia, of a really

Robin Annschild:

systematic and highly sophisticated wetland drainage.

Mendel Skulski:

Because wetland is usually flat, flat land is

Mendel Skulski:

good for building things.

Adam Huggins:

Wetland is also rich. Rich land is good for

Adam Huggins:

harvesting timber and growing crops

Mendel Skulski:

Industrializing societies all over the world

Mendel Skulski:

tend to take places that are wet, woody, rich and wild, and

Mendel Skulski:

reduce them to a blank slate for all kinds of development.

Robin Annschild:

Creating those uniform conditions across

Robin Annschild:

floodplains is kind of the bread and butter of our way of living

Robin Annschild:

on the landscape, simplifying streams so that instead of being

Robin Annschild:

broad and flat and flooding the floodplain, perhaps on an annual

Robin Annschild:

basis, they are now in deep ditches that flow down a

Robin Annschild:

straight line, you know, on the edge of the field. It never

Robin Annschild:

occurred to me that the very ditches that I played in as a

Robin Annschild:

child, I thought that those ditches had streams in them,

Robin Annschild:

really, they were ditches draining wetlands, and that

Robin Annschild:

water that I played in in those ditches was water being drained

Robin Annschild:

out of wetlands.

Adam Huggins:

I also have fond memories of playing in ditches

Adam Huggins:

as a kid on ag land that had once been in the flood plain of

Adam Huggins:

the San Joaquin River. The landscape changes that Robin is

Adam Huggins:

describing are ubiquitous.

Robin Annschild:

Everything that we have done when logging, road,

Robin Annschild:

building, mining, converting wetlands and floodplains to

Robin Annschild:

agriculture, has been about hastening the passage of the

Robin Annschild:

water through the watershed. And now what we're looking at is,

Robin Annschild:

well, now wait a minute, what if we wanted to invite that water

Robin Annschild:

to take a more leisurely path?

Mendel Skulski:

Many of our ancestors were trying to get the

Mendel Skulski:

water off the land as fast as possible, and now here we are

Mendel Skulski:

thinking the exact opposite. How do we keep the water on the land

Mendel Skulski:

for as long as possible?

Robin Annschild:

Wetlands, by their very nature, are dynamic

Robin Annschild:

ecosystems. One of the things that I find so exciting about

Robin Annschild:

wetland and stream restoration is that through a single action,

Robin Annschild:

we're achieving multiple benefits.

Mendel Skulski:

Like making habitat for endangered frogs,

Adam Huggins:

as discussed, and also to recharge aquifers

Adam Huggins:

sequester carbon, create fire breaks and mitigate the

Adam Huggins:

destructive power of floods.

Robin Annschild:

Wetlands absorb water. Imagine if you're running

Robin Annschild:

a bath, and you pull the plug. And of course, you know it takes

Robin Annschild:

whatever time it takes for the bath to drain, but it drains

Robin Annschild:

pretty quickly. Now, if you were to fill your bathtub with

Robin Annschild:

towels, put the plug in, fill it up, then remove the plug, it's

Robin Annschild:

going to take a lot longer for that bathtub to drain. So when

Robin Annschild:

you have a high rainfall event, instead of all that rain hitting

Robin Annschild:

the soil, the ground, the surfaces of your watershed and

Robin Annschild:

running out quite quickly, the wetland is like that towel in

Robin Annschild:

your bathtub that's absorbing all that water and it's

Robin Annschild:

releasing it more slowly. The cheapest way to prevent flooding

Robin Annschild:

is one to protect the wetlands that exist in your watershed,

Robin Annschild:

and two, to restore drained wetlands in the watershed. So if

Robin Annschild:

anything, we need more wetlands. We need more capacity to absorb

Robin Annschild:

and regulate flow of water and clean surface water and inject

Robin Annschild:

water into the ground.

Adam Huggins:

At this point, for me, this is gospel, but once

Adam Huggins:

Robin and the big yellow machines finish building the

Adam Huggins:

wetlands and they leave for greener pastures, then I'm left

Adam Huggins:

with the daunting task of getting native plants

Adam Huggins:

established again on these highly disturbed sites.

Adam Huggins:

Thankfully, my organization grows the plants that we need to

Adam Huggins:

do this, but there's been this thing nagging at me. In order to

Adam Huggins:

grow those plants as part of the soil mix, we typically use a

Adam Huggins:

product that most folks are probably familiar with. It's

Adam Huggins:

called peat.

Mendel Skulski:

You know, peat. Fluffy, porous, great for

Mendel Skulski:

growing blueberries, tasty in scotch, and famously, comes from

Mendel Skulski:

bogs,

Adam Huggins:

Bogs, which are, as a matter of fact, wetlands.

Mendel Skulski:

Is that a bit circular? That's a bit circular.

Adam Huggins:

It's not ideal. And so my colleagues and I have

Adam Huggins:

been asking ourselves this pesky question — whould we really

Adam Huggins:

still be using peat to grow our plants for restoration wetland

Adam Huggins:

restoration?

Mendel Skulski:

Seems like a simple question. How hard could

Mendel Skulski:

it be to answer?

Adam Huggins:

How hard indeed, well, on today's episode, For

Adam Huggins:

Peat's Sake, we tell the story of peatlands in North America

Adam Huggins:

through one remarkable wetland and attempt to answer a

Adam Huggins:

seemingly simple question. But you know what happens to simple

Adam Huggins:

questions around here, right?

Richard Hebda:

This sounds like it would be just an interesting

Richard Hebda:

sort of ecological exercise, right? But it became a very,

Richard Hebda:

very big political issue.

Mendel Skulski:

Come on in, the water's fine

Introduction Voiceover:

Broadcasting from the unceded, shared and

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asserted territories of the Musqueam, Squamish, and

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Tsleil-Waututh, this is Future Ecologies – exploring the shape

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of our world through ecology, design, and sound.

Adam Huggins:

To get to know peat, you have to get to know

Adam Huggins:

bogs. And so we're going to get all up in the business of the

Adam Huggins:

most charismatic bog that I know. If you were to visit

Adam Huggins:

Vancouver, nestled between the snow capped mountains of the

Adam Huggins:

coast ranges and the Salish Sea. First, you should say hi to

Adam Huggins:

Mendel.

Mendel Skulski:

I live here!

Adam Huggins:

And then you should head south across the

Adam Huggins:

north and south arms of the Fraser River through the suburb

Adam Huggins:

of Richmond, and you will see heavy industry highways,

Adam Huggins:

subdivisions, farmland, until you hit the largest undeveloped

Adam Huggins:

urban land mass in North America.

Mendel Skulski:

And you're thinking undeveloped... urban...

Mendel Skulski:

land mass, what does that mean?

Adam Huggins:

It's a good question. It basically means, I

Adam Huggins:

think, that it's a massive wild land in a major urban center,

Adam Huggins:

but that it's not a park. There is no public access here.

Mendel Skulski:

This undeveloped urban land mass is actually an

Mendel Skulski:

enormous, raised bog.

Adam Huggins:

A big, beautiful bog by the name of Burns. Burns

Adam Huggins:

Bog. And since it's nearly impossible to access for most

Adam Huggins:

people living here, Burns Bog is actually kind of a big black

Adam Huggins:

box. A big black box that every so often bursts into flames.

Adam Huggins:

News Announcer 1: Fire crews launched a rapid attack from the

Adam Huggins:

air and ground today in the hopes of knocking down a fast

Adam Huggins:

growing brush fire that sparked in Burns Bog along a stretch of

Adam Huggins:

Highway 17 in Delta.

Adam Huggins:

News Announcer 2: With an ecological treasure at risk,

Adam Huggins:

fire crews in Delta, BC, threw everything they had today at the

Adam Huggins:

flames in Burns Bog

Adam Huggins:

News Announcer 3: but it is a difficult fire to fight, and

Adam Huggins:

officials say that it could continue to burn for days.

Adam Huggins:

Man on the Street: Remember the big fire they had in 2005 in the

Adam Huggins:

bog, just hope it doesn't get as big.

Adam Huggins:

So what's going on here? Well, we've got our bog,

Adam Huggins:

and now what we need is our bog whisperer.

Mendel Skulski:

Sometimes with some stories, we have no idea

Mendel Skulski:

who to talk to first. But for this one, all roads lead back to

Mendel Skulski:

one man.

Richard Hebda:

My name is Richard Hebda, and I am the

Richard Hebda:

curator emeritus at the Royal British Columbia Museum and an

Richard Hebda:

adjunct faculty at the University of Victoria,

Richard Hebda:

historically, in the biology department the School of Earth

Richard Hebda:

and Ocean Sciences and School of Environmental Studies. With

Richard Hebda:

respect to Burns Bog, I was the government scientific expert on

Richard Hebda:

the ecosystem review for Burns Bog, 25 years ago.

Adam Huggins:

And I will say, just from my experience, it's

Adam Huggins:

hard to throw a rock around here without hitting one of your

Adam Huggins:

students or one of the students of one of your students.

Richard Hebda:

We hope people don't throw rocks at them,

Richard Hebda:

unless it's because they're doing very good things and that

Richard Hebda:

people are scurrilous rogues.

Mendel Skulski:

Don't throw rocks at Richard's students,

Mendel Skulski:

Adam.

Adam Huggins:

I would never! But long before, Richard had an

Adam Huggins:

impressive retinue of students, je was just a graduate student

Adam Huggins:

himself looking for a project.

Richard Hebda:

I had a background in Earth history and

Richard Hebda:

in botany. So when I came here, my supervisor of the day, Dr

Richard Hebda:

Glenn Rouse said, you know, there's this bog out there in

Richard Hebda:

the Fraser lowland. We don't know very much about it.

Adam Huggins:

And when a young scientist learns that we don't

Adam Huggins:

know much about a thing, it becomes almost irresistible.

Richard Hebda:

This was a particularly interesting,

Richard Hebda:

different sort of creature, as it turns out, because Burns Bog

Richard Hebda:

is a raised bog, and essentially raised bogs make their own

Richard Hebda:

environment and essentially create circumstances by which

Richard Hebda:

plants that are critical in peat accumulation can thrive and

Richard Hebda:

continue. So the whole idea was, well, when and where did it come

Richard Hebda:

from? How did it arise and sort of, how does it work?

Mendel Skulski:

These were the questions Richard said about

Mendel Skulski:

answering in his PhD.

Richard Hebda:

How did it get here? It's kind of simple in one

Richard Hebda:

way, the Fraser River brings in mud, and it filled in the

Richard Hebda:

shallow waters, and in doing so, those lands emerge, like the

Richard Hebda:

back of a whale out of the water, and in the process, as

Richard Hebda:

they emerge slowly, first being intertidal, seawater influence,

Richard Hebda:

freshwater influence. They go through a process of succession

Richard Hebda:

of change from lower intertidal plant communities through middle

Richard Hebda:

to upper intertidal freshwater marshes, as you see in the

Richard Hebda:

Fraser today, and then the organic matter accumulated as

Richard Hebda:

peat.

Mendel Skulski:

Peat, which is plants, all sorts of plants in a

Mendel Skulski:

state of arrested decomposition, because the wet conditions of

Mendel Skulski:

this bog in progress don't allow dead plants to fully break down

Mendel Skulski:

into soil.

Adam Huggins:

Which changes the surface chemistry, and that in

Adam Huggins:

turn, changes the plant communities that can grow there.

Adam Huggins:

First herbaceous plants and then later woody plants.

Richard Hebda:

So willows, red osier dogwoods, Pacific

Richard Hebda:

crabapple. And then those plant communities accumulate more

Richard Hebda:

peat, but now it's woody, and woody peat is much more acidic.

Adam Huggins:

And as things become increasingly acidic, the

Adam Huggins:

plant community changes again. With Labrador tea, bog

Adam Huggins:

cranberry, bog rosemary, cloudberry, and the star of the

Adam Huggins:

show — a whole retinue of colorful sphagnum mosses.

Mendel Skulski:

Ta da! That's the birth of a bog.

Richard Hebda:

And once the sphagnum mosses begin to

Richard Hebda:

establish, they have all sorts of amazing tricks of organic

Richard Hebda:

matter chemistry, of water regulation, of being able to

Richard Hebda:

grow in situations where there's very low nutrients because the

Richard Hebda:

peat's accumulating above the water table. And then they

Richard Hebda:

essentially convert this wetland into their own home, in which

Richard Hebda:

peat mosses thrive and dominate. And once you get into that, they

Richard Hebda:

just keep adding more peat and more peat, as their bodies don't

Richard Hebda:

break down, but as they die and only partially decompose and

Richard Hebda:

more sphagnum mosses grow.

Adam Huggins:

And over the course of about 4000 years,

Adam Huggins:

those remarkable non vascular plants, the sphagnum peat

Adam Huggins:

mosses, have essentially constructed a dome out of their

Adam Huggins:

own dead bodies, with a shallow living fringe on the surface.

Mendel Skulski:

And because it's higher in the middle than at the

Mendel Skulski:

edges, like a dome, it becomes... get ready for this,

Mendel Skulski:

ombrotrophic.

Adam Huggins:

Ombrotrophic.

Richard Hebda:

Ombrotrophic basically means rain fed. The

Richard Hebda:

nutrients that enter the bog that support the growth of all

Richard Hebda:

the plants and all the decomposers, and then all the

Richard Hebda:

animals that depend on them come from the sky, and that's because

Richard Hebda:

the bog itself is actually above the water table, so no water

Richard Hebda:

flows into it, because it's higher than everything else, and

Richard Hebda:

it drains radially outward from the center of the bog or —

Richard Hebda:

sometimes they have ridges outward — from the ridges to the

Richard Hebda:

margin. So the only source of water and the only source of

Richard Hebda:

nutrients is rainwater.

Adam Huggins:

But that's okay, because the sphagnum peat likes

Adam Huggins:

low nutrient conditions. And the other plants that grow there,

Adam Huggins:

they have unique adaptations to live in this environment. For

Adam Huggins:

example, they learn to hunt insects.

Richard Hebda:

Carnivorous plants are just amazing, because

Richard Hebda:

they're essentially an inside out stomach, they have the

Richard Hebda:

digestive juices on the outside, in the case of Sundews, on these

Richard Hebda:

little glands with little glistening drops of fluid on the

Richard Hebda:

ends of the glands, and those are your digestive juices. So

Richard Hebda:

imagine the stomach is outside dissolves insects that fall on

Richard Hebda:

it.

Mendel Skulski:

I love Sundews. What the hell... pitcher plants!

Adam Huggins:

I know we could have made the entire episode

Adam Huggins:

about them, but we're not going to do that.

Richard Hebda:

So that's how these plants get their nitrogen

Richard Hebda:

and the other nutrients that they need, because they don't

Richard Hebda:

get them out of the ground very much, because there aren't very

Richard Hebda:

much in an ombrotrophic bog.

Adam Huggins:

And these unusual plants support an abundance of

Adam Huggins:

wildlife.

Richard Hebda:

In my days, you know, almost 50 years ago, there

Richard Hebda:

were bears and deer and all kinds of other wildlife, much of

Richard Hebda:

which is no longer there —

Richard Hebda:

to see a Sandhill Crane just, you know, 15 feet away from you

Richard Hebda:

in a ditch, just all of a sudden erupt. A bunch of them erupt! —

Richard Hebda:

Like, oh my god, there's a black bear sitting in there, you know,

Richard Hebda:

10 feet away from eating berries. It doesn't even know

Richard Hebda:

I'm there —

Richard Hebda:

Then you see these majestic cranes, taking off as they do —

Richard Hebda:

because you don't make any noise when you walk on sphagnum. It's

Richard Hebda:

cushioned.

Richard Hebda:

It's being like, returned to the bosom of the bog. You are part

Richard Hebda:

of it, encased in part in it, cushioned by it, and you

Richard Hebda:

appreciate it in a way that's just exceptional. Because you

Richard Hebda:

hear the insects. You smell the smell of the bark, Labrador tea.

Richard Hebda:

You hear the birds like the Sandhill cranes, or the

Richard Hebda:

bumblebees flying around pollinating the cranberry

Richard Hebda:

flowers, these gorgeous, little pinkish cranberry flowers. You

Richard Hebda:

feel it, you smell it, you hear it, it's all there, and you feel

Richard Hebda:

as if you're part of it.

Mendel Skulski:

These are all reasons why, for Richard, bogs

Mendel Skulski:

are more than just ecosystems.

Richard Hebda:

The biosphere converts part of the Earth into

Richard Hebda:

essentially a superorganism. As we in our own bodies have

Richard Hebda:

systems that work together and feed each other and support each

Richard Hebda:

other, this macro organism, raised bog does exactly that

Richard Hebda:

same thing, the multitude of species and multitude of

Richard Hebda:

processes on a huge landscape, that's why I like bogs.

Mendel Skulski:

And Burns Bog is just one very southerly

Mendel Skulski:

representative of the bogosphere, if you will, a

Mendel Skulski:

patchwork that blankets the northern parts of the entire

Mendel Skulski:

world.

Adam Huggins:

Burns Bog is also representative of many bogs for

Adam Huggins:

another reason entirely. It has a long and complicated history

Adam Huggins:

of people trying to drain, farm, and fill it, because when

Adam Huggins:

European settlers arrived, they simply weren't content to let

Adam Huggins:

sleeping bogs lie.

Richard Hebda:

Settler history goes back to basically people

Richard Hebda:

trying to farm the land. They dug these ditches going into the

Richard Hebda:

bog, and they were visible when I was there, or that were

Richard Hebda:

invisible sometimes and you would just fall up to your waist

Richard Hebda:

in peat and water

Adam Huggins:

Kilometers and kilometers of ditches, just like

Adam Huggins:

those that we discussed with Robin earlier. Speaking of

Adam Huggins:

which, Mendel, you want to know how you can get a bog named

Adam Huggins:

after you?

Mendel Skulski:

Ooh, how?

Adam Huggins:

Try, mostly unsuccessfully, to get rid of

Adam Huggins:

it. Burns Bog is named after one Dominic Burns, a rancher who did

Adam Huggins:

his damnedest to drain it.

Richard Hebda:

And that sort of went on for a while, until the

Richard Hebda:

Second World War.

Mendel Skulski:

The Second World War, of course, interrupted all

Mendel Skulski:

sorts of settler agricultural activity and also created whole

Mendel Skulski:

new economies, including the use of peat moss for military first

Mendel Skulski:

aid.

Adam Huggins:

Antiseptic and absorbent.

Richard Hebda:

There was quite a bit of extraction at that time

Richard Hebda:

for basically military purposes, but eventually that became

Richard Hebda:

converted to the extraction of peat moss for horticultural

Richard Hebda:

purposes. And when that came around, then there was this huge

Richard Hebda:

extraction of peat from the middle of the bog. It's organic

Richard Hebda:

material. The peat, predominantly sphagnum peat, was

Richard Hebda:

removed so the heart of the bog was taken out. But like my bald

Richard Hebda:

head, there was active living peat communities all around the

Richard Hebda:

edges, and they essentially sustained the bog, even though

Richard Hebda:

the middle had been taken out, and maintained the water

Richard Hebda:

chemistry in the middle, so that the sphagnum mosses came back,

Richard Hebda:

essentially in a giant pool, or a giant reticulate network with

Richard Hebda:

ridges of peat that remained in open pools.

Mendel Skulski:

So I guess you can actually teach an old bog

Mendel Skulski:

new tricks.

Adam Huggins:

Yes. But meanwhile, more mischief was

Richard Hebda:

At the same time as the inside of the bog was

Richard Hebda:

afoot.

Richard Hebda:

being exploited, dug out, people were nibbling on the edges,

Richard Hebda:

converting — conversion irreversible.

Mendel Skulski:

All around the bog, chunks of the edges were

Mendel Skulski:

being developed.

Adam Huggins:

There was the railroad construction, and then

Adam Huggins:

the road road construction,

Richard Hebda:

A highway went through it, the one that the

Richard Hebda:

Alex Fraser Bridge, which, my opinion, never should have been

Richard Hebda:

allowed to be built the way it was, and the environmental

Richard Hebda:

assessment for it was utterly inadequate.

Mendel Skulski:

And then there are the cranberry farms.

Richard Hebda:

Some of it was converted to cranberry fields

Richard Hebda:

because cranberry fields have turned out to be very lucrative.

Adam Huggins:

and we'd be remiss not to mention the gigantic

Adam Huggins:

landfill for the City of Vancouver.

Richard Hebda:

One of my study sites is now under the dump.

Mendel Skulski:

Meanwhile, peat extraction technology was

Mendel Skulski:

advancing.

Richard Hebda:

Later on, when they got very sophisticated,

Richard Hebda:

they would just cut the trees off, and scrape it off and then

Richard Hebda:

suck the peat through giant vacuum cleaners.

Adam Huggins:

Incidentally, cranberries are also harvested

Adam Huggins:

by giant vacuum tubes. I have seen it myself.

Richard Hebda:

More sucking. There's a lot of sucking

Richard Hebda:

involved,

Adam Huggins:

And all of this draining and scraping and

Adam Huggins:

dumping and sucking kept eating away at the edges of the bog,

Adam Huggins:

but no one seemed to put it much of a fuss. Parts of it would

Adam Huggins:

periodically burst into flames. But like so what?

Richard Hebda:

It's just a bog. Who cares? Bog, three letter

Richard Hebda:

word for bad things. Because, of course, everybody thinks they're

Richard Hebda:

horrible places. They don't value them and they don't even

Richard Hebda:

understand them. They just throw more garbage on top of them.

Adam Huggins:

And some major industrial development proposals

Adam Huggins:

were floated for the bog.

Richard Hebda:

At that time, which was, I think, in the mid

Richard Hebda:

80s. The idea was they would dig the bog out and fill it with

Richard Hebda:

sand from dredging of the Fraser River, and then build a huge

Richard Hebda:

megaport.

Adam Huggins:

That didn't pan out. And so then a 2500 acre

Adam Huggins:

industrial development was proposed, and then a horse

Adam Huggins:

racing track, and then the Pacific National Exhibition, an

Adam Huggins:

amusement park, basically.

Mendel Skulski:

But by the 90s, some folks were beginning to

Mendel Skulski:

recognize the value of the bog and just how threatened the

Mendel Skulski:

remainder was.

Richard Hebda:

There was a very strong community group with very

Richard Hebda:

skilled and capable people and knowledge who could make the

Richard Hebda:

case that this place shouldn't be filled and turned and burned

Richard Hebda:

and whatever else.

Adam Huggins:

Finally, following years of public pressure and

Adam Huggins:

failed development proposals, the province of BC agreed to

Adam Huggins:

undertake an ecosystem review of Burns Bog, and they asked

Adam Huggins:

Richard to lead it, which initially he was hesitant to do.

Richard Hebda:

But the bog had spoken to me a long time before,

Richard Hebda:

and I thought, okay, well, I owe it to this, these creatures,

Richard Hebda:

this amazing place, which gave me my future, which gave me my

Richard Hebda:

job, and has sustained me, has supported my curiosity. I am at

Richard Hebda:

one with the bog, and therefore, if I am at one with the bog,

Richard Hebda:

then I must be the bog. That's the way I looked at it. So I

Richard Hebda:

said, I'll do it.

Mendel Skulski:

And to make a long story short, he and a

Mendel Skulski:

handful of other scientists did it! In just eight months.

Richard Hebda:

You know, I pulled it off. I did it exactly

Richard Hebda:

as it should be done in open public forum, with the

Richard Hebda:

scientists reporting — people like Ian McTaggart Cowan, who

Richard Hebda:

was just unbelievably powerful when he came. Now, Ian McTaggart

Richard Hebda:

was the zoologist of British Columbia, a tall man with a

Richard Hebda:

powerful voice, and he just said that red mouse — the red back

Richard Hebda:

vole — that red mouse, the last time it was seen in British

Richard Hebda:

Columbia was in the UBC endowment lands. And I and my

Richard Hebda:

wife saw it in the late 1940s.

Adam Huggins:

When the report was finally published, the

Adam Huggins:

conclusion was stunning. It stated that the vast majority of

Adam Huggins:

the remaining bog area, over 2000 hectares, would be required

Adam Huggins:

to preserve its viability and sustain its processes. And when

Adam Huggins:

it came down to it, Richard was called upon once again, this

Adam Huggins:

time by the lawyers, to actually delineate the area that would

Adam Huggins:

ultimately be protected, which was a real crisis for him as a

Adam Huggins:

scientist.

Richard Hebda:

At that point, I truly understood that you cannot

Richard Hebda:

be an objective, dispassionate scientist. You cannot be one.

Richard Hebda:

Just as we face the future of climate change, we have to make

Richard Hebda:

the choices and the decisions and not leave for the government

Richard Hebda:

to make or for an industry to make. We have to work to make

Richard Hebda:

the best decisions that are possible, and so I did it. So I

Richard Hebda:

drew the lines.

Mendel Skulski:

And from those lines would eventually emerge

Mendel Skulski:

the Burns Bog Ecological Conservancy Area, managed by

Mendel Skulski:

Metro Vancouver and the City of Delta to maintain it in

Mendel Skulski:

perturity. The bog had been drained and sucked, battered and

Mendel Skulski:

bruised, but now it had a fighting chance at life.

Richard Hebda:

You know, why would you fill it and kill it?

Richard Hebda:

Why would you not think of it as one of the most biologically

Richard Hebda:

spiritual creations on the Planet Earth.

Adam Huggins:

The fate of one of the most biologically spiritual

Adam Huggins:

creations on Planet Earth, and I promise eventually an answer to

Adam Huggins:

our question about peat. That's after the break. Now, if you

Adam Huggins:

excuse me, I have to go see a man about a bog.

Mendel Skulski:

Hey, if you're enjoying the show, check out

Mendel Skulski:

futureecologies.net/support — thanks!

Adam Huggins:

Driving down this old gravel road. On my left,

Adam Huggins:

Burns Bog. On the right, cranberry farm, actively

Adam Huggins:

harvesting... group of men out in waders, water up to their

Adam Huggins:

waists, with a giant vacuum hose sucking the cranberries that are

Adam Huggins:

floating off of the water surface and into a giant bin.

Adam Huggins:

Wild. And another gate. I think this is the third gate. Gates

Adam Huggins:

everywhere.

Mendel Skulski:

Wait, I didn't get to go along for this ride. I

Mendel Skulski:

feel so left out. I thought you said members of the public

Mendel Skulski:

couldn't actually get in to Burns Bog.

Adam Huggins:

I mean, they generally can't, except for a

Adam Huggins:

tiny piece called The Delta Nature Reserve, which is nice to

Adam Huggins:

visit if you can. But I am no ordinary member of the general

Adam Huggins:

public, Mendel. I have special clearance — from a friend who

Adam Huggins:

got me inside.

Adam Huggins:

I don't think I have ever eaten a fresh cranberry right off a

Adam Huggins:

bush.

Drew Elves:

Not a cultivar.

Adam Huggins:

This is native?

Drew Elves:

Yeah.

Adam Huggins:

that is delicious

Drew Elves:

Tart though, huh?

Adam Huggins:

Oh, but I love things that are sour. Oh my god.

Drew Elves:

That's good.

Adam Huggins:

I love sour things.

Mendel Skulski:

Ah, yes. You were there to see your good

Mendel Skulski:

friend... the cranberry.

Adam Huggins:

Of course, and my colleague, Drew Elves.

Drew Elves:

I teach at University of Victoria in the

Drew Elves:

Restoration of Natural Systems program and in the School of

Drew Elves:

Environmental Studies. I am ecohydrologist by training, a

Drew Elves:

peatland ecohydrologist with a focus on sphagnum mosses.

Adam Huggins:

So I'm standing out there in the bog with Drew,

Adam Huggins:

bobbing up and down on this thick mat of peat in the sun.

Mendel Skulski:

No, I'm not jealous. Thanks for asking.

Adam Huggins:

And we're looking at this wild variety of colors

Adam Huggins:

all around us.

Drew Elves:

Like, we're looking at this field right now, and

Drew Elves:

there's a cornucopia of color, right? There are so many greens,

Drew Elves:

so many reds, so many buffs.

Adam Huggins:

And these colors we're seeing, they tend to

Adam Huggins:

correspond to different species of sphagnum moss.

Drew Elves:

There are 12 documented species

Adam Huggins:

Growing in slightly different parts of the

Adam Huggins:

mossy landscape, the hummocks and the hollows.

Drew Elves:

The ones that make the hummocks, they are slow

Drew Elves:

growing and they're recalcitrant, meaning they don't

Drew Elves:

readily decompose. These recalcitrant hummock species are

Drew Elves:

really resilient. They can take up water and stay moist much

Drew Elves:

further into the drought period than hollow forming species. The

Drew Elves:

Hollow forming species, though, they'll grow really fast, but

Drew Elves:

then they don't have the specific phenolics, meaning they

Drew Elves:

don't have those chemicals that impede breaking down. They're

Drew Elves:

not robust in that way. They decay.

Mendel Skulski:

Tag yourself. I'm the not-so-resilient fast

Mendel Skulski:

grower.

Adam Huggins:

I'm recalcitrant, slow and stubborn all the way.

Drew Elves:

So it's two very different traits. One's a hare,

Drew Elves:

one's a tortoise. The hare are the hollow growing species.

Drew Elves:

They'll grow really fast during a time when moisture conditions

Drew Elves:

are right and temperature conditions are right, and

Drew Elves:

they'll grow really quickly. So because of that, they are

Drew Elves:

lateral growers. Whereas these hummocks, they slowly build up.

Drew Elves:

They have this like apical bud, meaning a topmost layer where

Drew Elves:

they keep growing from. And so they just keep growing higher

Drew Elves:

and higher.

Adam Huggins:

So it's a beautiful, diverse bog scene.

Adam Huggins:

But at the same time, this is a part of the bog that was

Adam Huggins:

harvested and prepared to be a cranberry farm before it was

Adam Huggins:

abandoned. It's still recovering from that disturbance.

Drew Elves:

The hydrology has been brought back to within

Drew Elves:

historical bounds, and that means that peat forming

Drew Elves:

processes have been reinitiated

Adam Huggins:

and Drew is there studying that recovery.

Mendel Skulski:

How is he doing that?

Adam Huggins:

With light and a very, very nice camera pointed

Adam Huggins:

directly at the ground.

Drew Elves:

We can take the properties of light. The sun

Drew Elves:

comes in, and it encodes a lot of information, especially for

Drew Elves:

plants and photosynthetic organisms, right? What they use,

Drew Elves:

what they take. Meaning, what part of the sun's light that

Drew Elves:

they use at different times of year, and then what they reflect

Drew Elves:

back can tell us a lot about what's happening underneath.

Adam Huggins:

And just as a very basic example, when sphagnum

Adam Huggins:

moss gets dry, it tends to turn white, and that increases the

Adam Huggins:

albedo of the bog, helping reflect sunlight and cool things

Adam Huggins:

down a bit. That's something that we can see with just our

Adam Huggins:

eyeballs, but Drew is looking at what we can learn with better

Adam Huggins:

equipment than what nature gave any of us.

Drew Elves:

The affordances we have in terms of our vision,

Drew Elves:

they're not entirely objective, right? I often tell students,

Drew Elves:

you know, remember that dress?

Adam Huggins:

You know the dress, right Mendel?

Mendel Skulski:

Ah the dress, of course I do. It's obviously

Mendel Skulski:

black and blue.

Adam Huggins:

Oh no, it's clearly white and gold.

Adam Huggins:

What color was the dress?

Drew Elves:

I don't answer that question, because I think as a

Drew Elves:

lot of people who have a significant other, it may be led

Drew Elves:

to a bit of acrimony, and so I'm not going to say what color the

Drew Elves:

dress was.

Adam Huggins:

So instead of relying on his merely human

Adam Huggins:

vision, Drew is using the NDVI.

Mendel Skulski:

The what?

Drew Elves:

The Normalized Difference Vegetation Index. So

Drew Elves:

that's where it goes from being the dress and being subjective,

Drew Elves:

to being something that's standardized and reproducible

Drew Elves:

and decipherable.

Adam Huggins:

And I brought us here just to say that this is a

Adam Huggins:

lot of what goes on in the black box of Burns Bog. It's basic

Adam Huggins:

science — developing techniques to better understand all bogs,

Adam Huggins:

by studying the recovery of this bog.

Mendel Skulski:

That's so cool. And you know, how are things

Mendel Skulski:

going?

Adam Huggins:

Well, we did mention that the bog

Adam Huggins:

occasionally erupts into flames, right?

Mendel Skulski:

We did.

Adam Huggins:

And that's because those kilometers and kilometers

Adam Huggins:

of ditches and roads crisscrossing the bog, many of

Adam Huggins:

them are still actively draining it, drying it out. And a big

Adam Huggins:

pile of dead dry peat is a magnet for wildfire. This is the

Adam Huggins:

primary reason why the public isn't allowed in the bog.

Mendel Skulski:

Sure that makes sense.

Adam Huggins:

But in addition to researchers, there are also

Adam Huggins:

folks in here looking after the bog, and so I caught up with a

Adam Huggins:

couple of them on a group field trip on a freezing cold, rainy

Adam Huggins:

day. You're actually going to hear the raindrops hitting the

Adam Huggins:

microphone, and I just want you to know that every single one of

Adam Huggins:

them felt like frostbite on my hand.

Mendel Skulski:

Thank you for your service.

Adam Huggins:

It is also on the flight path of the Vancouver

Adam Huggins:

International Airport, and so there was so much plane noise.

Markus Merkens:

I'm Markus Merkens. I'm a Regional Parks

Markus Merkens:

Biologist, and I've been working in the bog for the past 15 and a

Markus Merkens:

half years, trying to take care of the bog the best I can. I'm

Markus Merkens:

gonna pass over to Sarah here.

Sarah Howie:

Sarah Howie, Climate Action and Environment

Sarah Howie:

Manager with the City of Delta. I've been working in the bog

Sarah Howie:

since the year 2000, and Markus and I co-manage the bog.

Adam Huggins:

And without much further ado, they ushered us

Adam Huggins:

into the bog.

Sarah Howie:

If you see what looks like a mud puddle, don't

Sarah Howie:

step there, because it's basically a sinkhole and you

Sarah Howie:

will fall in. That would be a fun experience for you, but we'd

Sarah Howie:

rather you not have to deal with that, so you can just step on

Sarah Howie:

the vegetation instead. It'll keep you afloat.

Markus Merkens:

Bogs are incredibly complex ecosystems,

Markus Merkens:

and to quote a professor of mine at UBC, bog ecology isn't rocket

Markus Merkens:

science, it's way more complicated than that.

Adam Huggins:

Markus told us that the peat in Burns Bog is

Adam Huggins:

five to eight meters thick, and to demonstrate, he pulled out a

Adam Huggins:

Russian peat auger.

Markus Merkens:

So I've just taken a core sample of the bog.

Markus Merkens:

This peat is about a meter and a half below ground. This was

Markus Merkens:

sequestered at a time when the Vikings were exploring the

Markus Merkens:

eastern coast of North America. That's how long ago this was

Markus Merkens:

laid down.

Markus Merkens:

Bog tour participant: Welcome back to the sunlight.

Adam Huggins:

So Mendel, as you know, normally, bogs are too wet

Adam Huggins:

for anything but a few stunted trees to grow. But where we were

Adam Huggins:

walking, there were hundreds of dead burnt out tree trunks, and

Adam Huggins:

beneath them, thousands of stout little pine saplings.

Markus Merkens:

If you look around us, you can see these

Markus Merkens:

burnt out trees. These are the trees that release the cones and

Markus Merkens:

seeds post fire. And if you look behind me, you can see the

Markus Merkens:

lodgepole pine stand very dense. If you have six trees in a

Markus Merkens:

square meter or square yard, you have 60,000 stems per hectare.

Markus Merkens:

So that's, that's a huge number of trees.

Mendel Skulski:

Oh, my God. What is it with us and this season

Mendel Skulski:

and cataloging the density of stands of trees?

Adam Huggins:

I have no idea. Honestly, it is a through line.

Adam Huggins:

There were a lot of pines there.

Mendel Skulski:

Yeah, what's up with that?

Adam Huggins:

Well, when you start draining a bog, you make

Adam Huggins:

it a lot easier for trees to grow, because it was the water

Adam Huggins:

level that was keeping them out. And when trees start growing,

Adam Huggins:

they start transpiring water. Lots and lots of that water.

Markus Merkens:

Trees are hydrological pumps. Pine is a

Markus Merkens:

weaker pump than other species, but in the aggregate, 60,000

Markus Merkens:

stems per hectare push a lot of water out of the bog.

Adam Huggins:

They suck water out of the ground.

Mendel Skulski:

More sucking

Adam Huggins:

And then things get even drier still, and then

Adam Huggins:

they catch fire and burn. And then the seed cones open, and

Adam Huggins:

1000s more trees start to grow, and the vicious cycle continues.

Mendel Skulski:

So what are they doing about it?

Markus Merkens:

We physically remove by hand trees, now over a

Markus Merkens:

19 hectare, or almost 50 acre section of the burn that

Markus Merkens:

happened, which was 37 hectares within the conservancy area. So

Markus Merkens:

very labor intensive.

Adam Huggins:

They rip up and pile the trees. I pulled a few

Adam Huggins:

myself just to be helpful. You know?

Adam Huggins:

Oh, that is delicious.

Mendel Skulski:

...Are you eating cranberries again?

Adam Huggins:

Possibly, but more to the point, the trees are only

Adam Huggins:

one part of the problem. Those old settler drainage ditches are

Adam Huggins:

still doing their thing.

Mendel Skulski:

Ouch.

Adam Huggins:

And as the bog is drying out, especially at the

Adam Huggins:

edges, the peat is subsiding away as it's being oxidized,

Adam Huggins:

with all of that carbon going back up into the atmosphere.

Mendel Skulski:

Whoa. It's kind of like the bog is still

Mendel Skulski:

burning, only on a slower time scale.

Adam Huggins:

Yeah, you could definitely look at it that way.

Adam Huggins:

And this edge of the bog, also known as the lagg, is where

Adam Huggins:

organic peat meets the surrounding mineral soils. As

Adam Huggins:

Richard told me, it's really important.

Richard Hebda:

You can't have a bog without a lagg. Essentially,

Richard Hebda:

the lagg is kind of like that transitional skin on your body.

Richard Hebda:

If you don't have that, if you just cut into the tissue and

Richard Hebda:

expose the raw flesh, you die, you scar right. The more cuts,

Richard Hebda:

the more it's bleeding, the less chance it has to survive. And so

Richard Hebda:

we need to stop the loss of water, in this case, the life

Richard Hebda:

blood of the bog.

Adam Huggins:

Fortunately, Sarah Howie is an expert on laggs and

Adam Huggins:

how to revive them.

Sarah Howie:

So Markus has been talking about his big tree

Sarah Howie:

seedling removal project. My project that I've been working

Sarah Howie:

on for 20 years is restoring the water table in the bog. So

Sarah Howie:

there's about 100 kilometers of drainage ditches that were put

Sarah Howie:

into the bog during the peat harvesting days. So we're trying

Sarah Howie:

to reverse that and stop those ditches from draining. So we've

Sarah Howie:

got these dams, about 479 dams, and almost all of them were

Sarah Howie:

built by hand, by people carrying materials and shovels

Sarah Howie:

into the bog, digging borrow pits of peat, filling the dams

Sarah Howie:

with peat, and actually using Coroplast boards like these

Sarah Howie:

ones, recycled election signs.

Mendel Skulski:

Election signs?

Adam Huggins:

Yes, even bog restoration is political,

Adam Huggins:

Mendel.

Unknown:

After we would have a local election, they were really

Unknown:

just going to dispose of them anyway, and so, yeah, they're

Unknown:

buried. They're basically like sheet piling, and we use them to

Unknown:

block the flow of water in the ditches and then cover it with

Unknown:

peat so that the plastic is not exposed. It's buried basically

Unknown:

forever in the peat.

Adam Huggins:

Sarah says this works so well because the signs

Adam Huggins:

are really light and pretty tough, you can carry them into

Adam Huggins:

the bog on your back and create permanent ditch blocks.

Sarah Howie:

And because we have to, you know, walk for

Sarah Howie:

kilometers sometimes to get to the places where we're working,

Sarah Howie:

that's the best material. And we actually ran this by our

Sarah Howie:

scientific advisory panel before deciding to put this plastic in

Sarah Howie:

the bog and and they said, because it's going to be buried

Sarah Howie:

essentially forever in the bog, it's inert. It's not

Sarah Howie:

contributing chemicals or nutrients. I mean, I don't love

Sarah Howie:

the idea of putting plastic out there, but it's buried, and it's

Sarah Howie:

not damaging the bog in any way.

Mendel Skulski:

I guess sometimes practicality comes

Mendel Skulski:

before romance. Are they also using, like, big heavy machinery

Mendel Skulski:

excavators, like Robin?

Adam Huggins:

At times, yeah.

Sarah Howie:

It's actually the same excavator operator that was

Sarah Howie:

working for the peat harvesting folks, and now he's helping us

Sarah Howie:

with restoration.

Adam Huggins:

Sarah told me that they've basically blocked off

Adam Huggins:

most of the ditches in the center of the bog, and so she's

Adam Huggins:

turned her attention to the lagg.

Sarah Howie:

The next goal is to restore the edge, and that's

Sarah Howie:

probably going to take me to the end of my career.

Adam Huggins:

But that's all right, because, as Richard told

Adam Huggins:

us, they have a 100 year restoration plan in place for

Adam Huggins:

the bog, and we're just a quarter of the way into it.

Richard Hebda:

I think that in the 25 years that we've been

Richard Hebda:

doing this work and gathering more knowledge, it's as well and

Richard Hebda:

better than I had hoped for.

Adam Huggins:

You can see that, especially in the middle of the

Adam Huggins:

bog.

Sarah Howie:

The water levels are generally where they're

Sarah Howie:

supposed to be, within about half a meter of the surface,

Adam Huggins:

But we are not out of the woods yet, not by a long

Adam Huggins:

shot.

Sarah Howie:

The other issue that we're dealing with is

Sarah Howie:

climate change. So we've re-wetted the bog, we've raised

Sarah Howie:

the water table, and now we're getting drier summers, and so

Sarah Howie:

it's much hotter, and the water table is dropping.

Adam Huggins:

And so Sarah will continue blocking ditches, and

Adam Huggins:

Markus will keep removing trees, and Drew and other researchers

Adam Huggins:

will continue to study the system, and hopefully, in the

Adam Huggins:

meantime, the bog doesn't go up in smoke.

Mendel Skulski:

So it's great to hear that some level of recovery

Mendel Skulski:

is possible, right? At least on a 100 year time scale. But it's

Mendel Skulski:

clear that harvesting the peat from this bog, along with other

Mendel Skulski:

disturbances, has had a pretty profoundly negative impact.

Adam Huggins:

Which brings us back to the question that we

Adam Huggins:

started with. Can we justify harvesting peat from bogs so

Adam Huggins:

that we can use it to grow plants, say, native plants for

Adam Huggins:

restoration?

Mendel Skulski:

To answer that question, we needed to talk to

Mendel Skulski:

one more person.

Line Rochefort:

My name is Line Rochefort, Professor in

Line Rochefort:

Restoration Ecology, holding a chair in Ecosystem Restoration,

Line Rochefort:

and also I'm the North American national expert at the RAMSAR

Line Rochefort:

Convention.

Mendel Skulski:

Line is widely recognized as Canada's leading

Mendel Skulski:

expert on peatland restoration

Line Rochefort:

Canada, in terms of managing, caring for

Line Rochefort:

peatlands has a world responsibility, because we have

Line Rochefort:

a lot of carbon stock in our peatland, 34% of all the

Line Rochefort:

peatlands in the world are in Canada.

Mendel Skulski:

followed by 33% in Russia. So between our two

Mendel Skulski:

circumboreal nations, there are two thirds of the world's

Mendel Skulski:

peatland, which is a lot of carbon. Now Lynn is quick to

Mendel Skulski:

point out that peatland destruction is a serious issue

Mendel Skulski:

at a global and a regional level, especially in the more

Mendel Skulski:

developed parts of southern Canada.

Adam Huggins:

Like the Fraser Valley, where Burns Bog is

Adam Huggins:

located.

Mendel Skulski:

But overall, she says of Canada's total 128

Mendel Skulski:

million hectares of peatland, only a tiny fraction have been

Mendel Skulski:

directly impacted, estimated at less than 2%

Adam Huggins:

These and the numbers that follow are from the

Adam Huggins:

2022 UN Global Peatlands Assessment, by the way.

Line Rochefort:

So in Canada, if we go by order of impacts

Line Rochefort:

through time, we have drained for agriculture, 1.3 million

Line Rochefort:

hectares of peatland.

Adam Huggins:

About and after agriculture, the next biggest

Adam Huggins:

impact to Canadian peatlands is actually the fossil fuel

Adam Huggins:

industry.

Line Rochefort:

Second in line is the oil and gas and we don't

Line Rochefort:

have national statistics about all our impacts, but we do know

Line Rochefort:

that it's about 400,000 hectare. So, it's an order of magnitude

Line Rochefort:

less than what happened with agriculture.

Mendel Skulski:

And after fossil energy, next comes hydro

Mendel Skulski:

electricity.

Line Rochefort:

Hydro dams. So a lot of flooding in peatland rich

Line Rochefort:

area, be it in Quebec, Newfoundland, Manitoba,

Mendel Skulski:

And then it's good old fashioned drainage.

Line Rochefort:

Some drainage for forestry, for urban

Line Rochefort:

expansion, road development.

Adam Huggins:

And finally, we have the subject of our inquiry,

Adam Huggins:

peat extraction for peat extraction's sake.

Line Rochefort:

One of the least is using it for peat. Since

Line Rochefort:

1931, about 38,000 hectare.

Adam Huggins:

In other words, the area of peatland that has

Adam Huggins:

been impacted by harvesting for horticultural uses is absolutely

Adam Huggins:

dwarfed by the area impacted by agriculture, oil and gas and

Adam Huggins:

other forms of development, all of which has only impacted a

Adam Huggins:

small portion of the bogs in Canada. But even so, when you go

Adam Huggins:

to the store and buy a bag of peat, chances are good that it's

Adam Huggins:

coming from right here in Canada.

Line Rochefort:

Canada is one of the biggest peat producer in the

Line Rochefort:

world. The use of peat in Canada is really in horticulture. 85%

Line Rochefort:

is sold in the United States. It's for the professional grower

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in greenhouses, cucumber, green pepper, tomatoes and the

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mushroom industry.

Adam Huggins:

So for Canada, peat is largely an export

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industry. Historically, some of that peat was harvested from

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bogs in Western Canada, like Burns Bog, especially after the

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Second World War. But for the most part today, that peat is

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coming from the vast boreal peatlands of central and eastern

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Canada. And before we continue, it's important to mention that

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much of Line's research has been funded and undertaken in

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partnership with the horticultural peat industry —

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something that she is proud of.

Line Rochefort:

What I would say is that it's an industry that

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really care about managing the resource, because it's really

Line Rochefort:

their living and usually they are family based, type of

Line Rochefort:

companies also the been investing since the end of the

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80s to develop peatland restoration measure or to manage

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better. I have always been a big believer that it's good that

Line Rochefort:

more biologists, environmentalists and on that

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should work with industry to find solutions.

Mendel Skulski:

So Line is sympathetic to her industry

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partners. And to be fair, they've come a long way

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together.

Line Rochefort:

Before I started, nobody knew how to

Line Rochefort:

manipulate masses on a large scale with machines without

Line Rochefort:

killing everything.

Adam Huggins:

To address this, Line and her colleagues in the

Adam Huggins:

Peatland Ecology Research Group eventually developed what has

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become known internationally as the Moss Layer Transfer

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Technique. To make a long story short.

Line Rochefort:

Uh... it's very technical, but in peatlands, we

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have two hydrological layer one is called the acrotelm, the

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other one the catatelm.

Adam Huggins:

The catatelm is the thick mass of dead peat

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that's typically below the water table and storing most of the

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carbon.

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And the acrotelm is the thinner layer composed

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largely of living peat on the surface, kind of like your skin.

Mendel Skulski:

No wait, kind of the opposite of your skin. Kind of like a tree.

Mendel Skulski:

Wait, no, kind of the opposite of a tree. It's pretty

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different.

Adam Huggins:

Yeah. So it's the first 10 or so centimeters of

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the acrotelm

Line Rochefort:

Where there's all the propagules — spores,

Line Rochefort:

seeds.

Adam Huggins:

Everything you need to catalyze the recovery of

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a bog that's been harvested.

Line Rochefort:

Once you have a peatland that's been drained for

Line Rochefort:

maybe 20 years, we need, usually to reprofile to a fresh peat,

Line Rochefort:

because we really need to have a good contact by capillary rise

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of the water.

Adam Huggins:

And so the top 10 centimeters of acrotelm is

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collected from a donor site, usually the next site to be

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harvested, and then is spread on top of the restoration site.

Line Rochefort:

So once we spread all our material, then we

Line Rochefort:

need to protect it with a straw mulch. Usually that we use, it's

Line Rochefort:

to create a microclimate, because the mosses have no

Line Rochefort:

roots.

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And in addition to straw mulch, they add

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phosphorus.

Line Rochefort:

Because phosphorus is good. It's not

Line Rochefort:

necessarily there to help the sphagnum, but it's another moss

Line Rochefort:

that we need a nursing plan. We call it polytrichum.

Adam Huggins:

Go into any bog, and amidst all that fluffy

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sphagnum, you're likely to see other mosses, including the

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pointier polytrichum, looking like a miniature palm tree. Or

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as Line calls them, little aloes.

Line Rochefort:

Or pineapple, because they have all these

Line Rochefort:

spikes along the edge.

Adam Huggins:

I found this aspect particularly fascinating.

Adam Huggins:

Line and her colleagues have discovered that a little bit of

Adam Huggins:

phosphorus really helps polytrichum to establish in the

Adam Huggins:

transplanted sphagnum. And this polytrichum is much taller than

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the sphagnum

Line Rochefort:

So that's why, if you get this polytrichum,

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nice carpet to establish, then it binds the peat and also

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creates a nice microclimate.

Adam Huggins:

And that miniature forest of polytrichum protects

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the sphagnum moss from destruction through frost

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heaving, which otherwise can be really damaging in northern

Adam Huggins:

climates.

Line Rochefort:

The sphagnum survive there, like, you know,

Line Rochefort:

in the shadow, but they take over because they are a

Line Rochefort:

co-engineer type of organism.

Mendel Skulski:

That's so cool.

Adam Huggins:

Yep. And then the last step, you re-wet the bog.

Line Rochefort:

You have to re wet. You have to block the

Line Rochefort:

ditches.

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And that's about it. Presto. There's a functional

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bog, once again.

Line Rochefort:

Yes, we do get the bog at the end of it, we

Line Rochefort:

have a rate of 75% success.

Adam Huggins:

Based on Line's monitoring work. It takes about

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nine to 12 years for the bog to once again become a carbon sink,

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and about 20 years to fully offset the carbon cost of the

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restoration.

Line Rochefort:

The biodiversity in terms of vascular plants, we

Line Rochefort:

know that after five years, we're getting 82% back. What

Line Rochefort:

does not come back easily is like orchids, but you know, they

Line Rochefort:

have a complicated reproductive cycle.

Mendel Skulski:

So it's pretty good, but not perfect.

Adam Huggins:

Restoration just never is. But as far as Line is

Adam Huggins:

concerned,

Line Rochefort:

in Canada, sphagnum-dominated peatland

Line Rochefort:

restoration is close to a solved problem.

Adam Huggins:

She's now turned her attention to the restoration

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of fens, which are a different kind of peatland, and to

Adam Huggins:

mitigating the impacts of wildfire on peatlands, which is

Adam Huggins:

an emerging and very pressing issue.

Mendel Skulski:

Yes, so to return to our question, what

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does Line think about using peat for restoration and for

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horticulture?

Line Rochefort:

Well, I see peat. It's a bit hard to replace

Line Rochefort:

for now, I think we should not stop ourselves from finding

Line Rochefort:

solution of other growing substrate.

Adam Huggins:

But she argues, all of the alternatives

Adam Huggins:

currently on the market have their own issues. Wood chips,

Adam Huggins:

for example, are not a great replacement.

Line Rochefort:

Productivity when you're using just wood

Line Rochefort:

chips goes down quickly, when you don't have at least mix with

Line Rochefort:

some sphagnum.

Mendel Skulski:

and rock wool, also used in home insulation,

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takes a lot of energy to produce and isn't biodegradable.

Line Rochefort:

Piles of things that goes in the dump, do not decompose.

Adam Huggins:

Coconut coir, while it is a byproduct of palm

Adam Huggins:

plantations in India and Sri Lanka, has serious labor land

Adam Huggins:

use, water use and transportation issues to consider.

Line Rochefort:

Coconut fiber, it is a good growing substrate,

Line Rochefort:

but it's it's ecological footprint. You really have to

Line Rochefort:

look at your whole life cycle analysis,

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Plus something we weren't even thinking about,

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perlite, which is often used in soil mixes, is a mineral which

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itself is extracted and processed in a very energy

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intensive way.

Line Rochefort:

Make sure you don't do mixes with perlite,

Line Rochefort:

because the perlite, if ever it goes in the environment, it

Line Rochefort:

floats and then amphibian can choke on that.

Adam Huggins:

Line pointed us to the only peer-reviewed study

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that we could find specifically on our question, which performed

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a life cycle analysis of the environmental impacts of peat

Adam Huggins:

extracted in Latvia compared to imported rock wool and coconut

Adam Huggins:

coir. Latvia, incidentally, also exports about 85% of its peat,

Adam Huggins:

just like Canada. The researchers found that the full

Adam Huggins:

life cycle impact of coconut coir was seven times higher than

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that of peat. Rockwool, significantly better than coir,

Adam Huggins:

but still higher impact than peat.

Mendel Skulski:

To our knowledge, there is yet to be a

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similar study on Canadian peat, but it's likely that the results

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would be pretty similar. So it would appear that all of the

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commercial alternatives to peat for horticultural use are at

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best, flawed and at worst, worse.

Adam Huggins:

Still, does that mean that we should be using it?

Adam Huggins:

We asked some of the other folks that we spoke to. This is Drew again.

Drew Elves:

I bought peat for the first time in my life this

Drew Elves:

past spring, and it was because we were planting bog Labrador

Drew Elves:

Tea in this small pocket bog, this engineered bog in a Place

Drew Elves:

of Medicine at UVic. How did it feel? Really complicated.

Mendel Skulski:

And Richard is an interesting case, because in

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addition to being a bog restorationist, he's also a

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serious horticulturalist. Besides Burns Bog, his other big

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project is studying the productivity of potatoes under

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climate change. And he strikes a cautious note on the subject of peat.

Richard Hebda:

I think for certain kinds of horticultural

Richard Hebda:

uses, sphagnum peat is the best choice, and that would be things

Richard Hebda:

like rhododendrons, things that require acidic environments.

Adam Huggins:

As for the alternatives, he acknowledged

Adam Huggins:

that there are lifecycle issues, but he turned the question on

Adam Huggins:

its head a bit.

Richard Hebda:

What's renewable on a short time scale? Coconut

Richard Hebda:

husks, not sphagnum moss on peatlands.

Adam Huggins:

And while he recognized the work of Line and

Adam Huggins:

others in this area

Richard Hebda:

Dr Rochefort has shown, yes, you can recover

Richard Hebda:

small scale excavations of peat and bring back peat species, but

Richard Hebda:

you have very strong constraints on what you can do.

Adam Huggins:

He also argues that what is lost is more than

Adam Huggins:

just carbon dioxide.

Richard Hebda:

the consequences on large areas of feed land

Richard Hebda:

being harvested for peat takes away millennia of organic matter

Richard Hebda:

accumulation and disturbs that PEAT ecosystem. And on the basis

Richard Hebda:

of what we need to use peat as just as an organic matter in

Richard Hebda:

soil, I think it's not appropriate, not for large

Richard Hebda:

scale. This is where we need to be growing all kinds of organic

Richard Hebda:

matter and returning it to the ground and into our ecosystems

Adam Huggins:

Like compost, he says. Lots of compost. It's not

Adam Huggins:

a perfect peat substitute for some uses, but for others, it

Adam Huggins:

definitely gets the job done.

Mendel Skulski:

Yeah, I think we can all get behind that. So to

Mendel Skulski:

finally summarize the answer to our question, synthesized from

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all of these conversations, in the style of Michael Pollan, use

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peat, not too much, and whenever possible, use compost instead.

Adam Huggins:

And if you do use some peat, always keep in mind

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that what you're using is part of a super organism.

Richard Hebda:

The bog is a quintessential embodiment and

Richard Hebda:

example of what goes on all over the natural ecosystems of our

Richard Hebda:

Earth. So the hydrosphere, the water table, the atmosphere, the

Richard Hebda:

source of the rain and the oxygen that they need, the

Richard Hebda:

carbon dioxide that they need, the Geosphere, the physical

Richard Hebda:

substrate upon which the conditions are such that the

Richard Hebda:

sediments, the peat, can accumulate to support all the

Richard Hebda:

living creatures, the living creatures of the raised bog,

Richard Hebda:

which you can draw a circle around. It's a porous boundary,

Richard Hebda:

but there is a boundary, and you can see it and understand it as

Richard Hebda:

a physical structure living in equilibrium, a dynamic

Richard Hebda:

equilibrium, that it's shaping for itself with the hydrosphere,

Richard Hebda:

the atmosphere and the Geosphere. And now we face the

Richard Hebda:

greatest challenge of all — where the social sphere is now

Richard Hebda:

of a scale equal to the other four spheres in terms of shaping

Richard Hebda:

the land, but not in equilibrium. And what's the

Richard Hebda:

fundamental lesson from those other four spheres? They will

Richard Hebda:

bring us back into equilibrium. And we all have to take

Richard Hebda:

responsibility to speak for them. To listen to them and

Richard Hebda:

speak for them.

Mendel Skulski:

In this episode, you heard the voices of Robin

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Annschild, Richard Hebda, Drew Elves, Markus Merkens, Sarah

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Howie, and Line Rochefort. Music by yours truly, Thumbug, and

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Sunfish Moon Light.

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Special thanks to the Wetland Project, Brady Marks and Mark

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Timmings for letting us use a clip from their incredible 24

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hour recording of a marsh on ṮEḴTEḴSEN Saturna island, on

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unceded W̱SÁNEĆ territory. And to the organizers of the 2024

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SER North American Conference, Tony Ballard specifically, thanks.

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