Hi, Eileen McKusick. Welcome to the QVC podcast.

Super excited to have you here. We appreciate

your work so much and also the work that you've

been doing to create, lay the foundation for this

to be a true science, the science of waves and

sound and all of it. Your contribution is really

important. So thank you for that and thank you

for being here.

Yeah, you bet. Thanks for having me, Meredith.

So I wanted to start back at the beginning. A lot

of almost everyone that I interview and everyone

who listens to this, it's mostly people who ended

up in a place that they didn't expect. They took

a turn that they didn't plan to take due to

following a fascination or having a health issue

that wasn't resolved via the normal channels. You

are so currently well known for biofuel tuning,

but I was interested to hear your story,

listening to you share that. You didn't start out

there. You were in a completely different

industry and this was a side hobby that grew. So

tell us how that happened.

Yeah, definitely ended up where I didn't think I

would by following a fascination to help my own

health conditions. So I think I've got that in

common with everybody else on this kind of path.

I picked up tuning forks in 1996. I found a set

in a catalog, and at the time I had owned a very

busy restaurant that I started when I was 20. And

100 hour weeks really ruined my back and my

health. I ended up running away screaming after

four years and went to massage therapy school and

started to work to heal my back, heal my physical

issues, you know, emotional mental issues that I

didn't even realize that I had. And ended up

having to go back to the restaurant, but kept

doing massages part time on the side because I

discovered that I really had an interest in

natural health and healing, science and

spirituality, human potential. And so I always

had books going on the side, and one book always

leads to another, as probably most of your

watchers have that experience. And it led me to

vibrational medicine all the way back in 1996.

And this was really just starting to come out.

And I read everything I could find on the use of

color and sound and music and healing. And then

these forks appeared in a catalog. So I just

started playing with them. And they were very

intriguing to me from the very beginning. They

produced situations and outcomes that I

absolutely didn't expect. But this was in

Connecticut in the 90s, where people were

extremely skeptical of this sort of thing. If I

told anyone I was doing sound healing with tuning

forks, I Was like, got backhanded. You know, it's

skepticism. Like what nonsense. I mean, now I

think there is something about when you hear the

term tuning forks in energy fields, I think

people have been really programmed to immediately

perceive that and dismiss it as pseudoscientific

nonsense. And anybody who engages in that is

clearly delusional. And, and has, you know. No,

they're just deluding themselves. And. But you

know, the thing is, is that once you get past

that first thought and you dig a little deeper,

what you find is that the how and why of why

tuning forks work actually makes sense. And

that's what a lot of people say once they read my

book and they, they start to grasp it. They're

like, oh, this makes sense, right? It's a physics

based approach to health, working with the body's

electrical system instead of a chemical,

mechanical based approach to health that we've

all been so conditioned into. So I did it for 10

years, just as a hobby, just on the side. And

then in 2006, I made a discovery that I started

to find things in the atmosphere around the body.

And over the next four years, from 2006 to 2010,

I explored what I now know as the biofield. And

now see, that is a Taurus. But at the time, I had

no idea. It was sort of this blind exploration

that sort of fumble in the dark with momentary

flashes of illumination. And what ended up coming

together is what I call the biofield anatomy map,

which is the basis of my work. And it's

essentially the observation that we have an

electrical system. Anything that has electric

current running through it has a magnetic field

around it. And the human body is no exception.

And that this magnetic field is what I would call

our mind, our conscious mind, our subconscious

mind. It's where our memories are. It's really

our sense of self, right? Because when you're

alive and your light is on, that's you, you're

here. And when you die, your light goes out and

then you are no longer here. So I would say that

this electrical system, this light body, is both

biological and spiritual. So there's really,

there's no, there's no separation there. Even

though we've been taught to use language and

beliefs to create a separation. And so I would

say that the biofield is a torus. It is a sphere

with a central channel. We draw up negative

charge from the surface of the earth, we draw

down positive charge from the sun and the

atmosphere, and these circulate around and the

field extends about 6ft off to our sides, front

and backs about 12 foot diameter. But it grows

and shrinks depending on where we are, how we

feel, that sort of thing. This is just sort of an

average. And what I discovered is that it holds

our memories. So even though we're told our

memories in our brain and our consciousness is

inside our brain, what I found was that actually

I could find very specific memories in the field.

And that's what the map is all about. It shows

where specific memories are stored in the field.

And so when I started working in the field, my

therapeutic outcomes became really dramatic. And

at the time, I was actually making kettle corn.

So I'd sold my share in the restaurant. I moved

to Vermont, and I wanted to get back into a food

business. And so I go to grocery stores on Sunday

nights and see what people were buying and what

they weren't buying. And then I came up with the

idea for kettle corn. Because back in 2004, you

could only get kettle corn in fairs and

festivals. You couldn't get it in stores. And so

I actually was one of the first people to bring

kettle corn in stores. And I had. I had it in 50

stores. It was flying off the shelves. It was a

proven product. It had great profit margin. Like,

I was going to grow it, sell it to Frito Lay and

retire. Like, that was the track that I was on.

And I got, whoop, diverted kind of unexpectedly

and kind of reluctantly, quite honestly. Because

when I started working out in the field, my

therapeutic outcomes with my clients became

really dramatic. You know, when we don't feel

good and we go see a provider, we want to

experience a state change, right? We want to feel

different. After we spent money and come out, we

want to feel different. And that is so much what

was happening. I was getting people over anxiety,

depression, pain, all kinds of stuckness in

pretty short order. And I was like, this is the

kind of healing people are looking for. And I

really felt sort of a moral obligation to bring

it out in the world. But there was this image

problem. And so I ended up going to college as an

adult and went full time for 4 years. Got my

undergraduate degree, got my master's degree, and

I wrote a master's thesis called Exploring the

Effects of Audible Sound on the Human Body and

its Biofield.

Wow. Good for you. So what were the majors to get

you to that?

Well, my undergrad was in business and wellness.

And then my. Actually, my graduate program, I

went to Northern Vermont University, which is

like five minutes down the road from me in

Northern Vermont. They only had two master's

programs, one in education and one in counseling.

So I got a master's in education. But I was very

fortunate to have a thesis committee and a group

of people that were super supportive of what I

was doing doing. And so I got a degree in

integrative education. I kind of created my own

track and was fully supported in doing this

research and writing this thesis. But my thesis

advisor, she said to me, Eileen, if you're going

to write an academic treatise on an esoteric

topic, it has to be above excellent. And So I had

five different editors for that, including this

fellow named Dr. Carl Merritt, who's who wrote

the Ford Tuning the Human Biofield and was also

the first person I ever tried to do it at a

distance with. And, and then that won an academic

excellence award and it, and then it became the

basis for Tuning the Human Biofield which has now

sold over 100,000 copies. So it's, that book has

sort of become a classic. It's maintained

bestseller status ever since it came out 10 years

ago. So. And then I wrote Electric Body, electric

health in 2021. So along the way I formed a

school and I now have 10 teachers who help me

teach biofield tuning. We've trained over 3,500

people worldwide in, in the method or if

something in different stages of it. So that's

very exciting. I formed a non profit institute,

Biofilm Tuning Institute and we've had a number

of papers published in peer review. Just did a

big study last year with 100 participants and

that is currently the data for that is being

collated. That was for anxiety and we found that

biofuel tuning works amazingly for anxiety,

fears, phobias, that sort of thing. So we're, you

know, we're doing, we're educating people in how

to do the method and we're getting the peer

review research done as well. And I really see

that it's my job to take what has previously been

considered to be pseudoscientific or you know,

woo woo, as I like to say and just ground it. In

science we already understand, just make it very

matter of fact, because it is very matter of

fact. And so that's what I've been working on.

Amazing. There's so much in there. I love that

you are able to take what was available in our

current reality and use those materials to build

a new reality. Basically what you did. Yeah,

because I think sometimes we look around and see

the brick wall, hear the negativity. It's like,

oh well, they're not. No, no one's ready for this

yet. But there's always the, you know, getting

down, breaking things down. There's always the

ingredients to build whatever it is we need to

build, and then that gives a framework for people

to come into and expand it and keep moving it

forward. So you are a great role model in that

way. I love it. Thank you. So you mentioned

having a shift in terms of how you understood the

biofield, which is really when you were like,

okay, I have to give up my entrepreneurial life

and take this more seriously. What could you say

more about what that was?

Yeah, it was a message from God, quite honestly.

It was a download that came in kind of like

certified mail, clear as a bell. And it said, you

need. It started off with, the world needs

harmony more than it needs another snack food.

Well, that's not ambiguous. That is clear.

That's very clear. It says, you need to go to

college, get degrees, learn and teach about

sound. Become part of the conversation moving the

science of this forward. Get yourself in

textbooks and peer review. Cover the globe with

biofield tuning and awaken an army. All of these

things. And at first I was like, absolutely not.

Like, I'm not doing that. I'm not gonna. I'm not

gonna go out on the world stage with tuning forks

because I'm just gonna be such a target for

people's rotten tomatoes, and I don't want to do

that. Thank you very much. But after, you know,

just a little while, I realized that. That I was

well suited to the job because I am so practical

and log. And the only reason why I advocate for

any of this is because it's practical, it's

logical, it's effective, it's efficient. These

are all things that I really value. And. And so I

said, okay, challenge accepted. I sold the

popcorn business, and I went to college, and, you

know, and I've done all the things that I was

asked to do. So that's. Yeah, that's where it

came from. You couldn't really say no.

Yeah. No, you can't. Yes. And I understand. It's

like this vision comes and it's like, sorry, I'm

gonna do what? That's not. No, that's not who I

am. That's not the plan. Everyone's gonna think

I'm weird, but, oh, well, here we are. And here,

you know, and you have truly changed the

landscape. You know, you really have, in a very,

very short amount of time, the combination of the

qualities that you bring to the table.

Well, I think that part of the reason is. Is

because everything that I put together, it really

needs to ring true to me. It needs to resonate.

Right. And if it doesn't resonate, if it doesn't

make sense to me, I'm not going to share it with

anyone. And so that's what. When people hear it

and they start to understand it, they feel the

resonance. They say, oh, this feels true. This

rings true to me. These are things that I already

knew, but I didn't even know that I knew them

until I saw it there. And then I'm like, of

course that's true.

Right, Right. Yes. And that's that. That feeling

of truth in the body, where it's. Because we talk

a lot about sunlight and being outside. You know,

I've had a lot of people on this podcast talking

about how important that is, and people like, oh,

no, no, you can't go in the sun. It's bad. And

you're like, why do you think that? How do you

feel when you're outside? It's like, oh, yeah,

no, that makes sense.

Right.

And there's not even a scientific explanation

necessary. People just feel the truth of it. So

tell me a little bit more about the anatomy of

the biofield.

Sure. So what I observed, and this was, as I

said, over the course of four years of combing my

forks through the atmosphere around the body and

making observations because the tuning forks

interact with the body's electromagnetic field.

And.

And I would. I would be going along, and I would

hit an area where I would feel resistance in the

fork, almost feeling like you're encountering

mass. And then I would have a note drop into my

head. Then I talk about having a male slot, mail

slot on the back of my head, like, kind of right

there. My friend Tiffany Barsodi, I met her at a

conference, and she did all this work,

understanding that we actually have a minor

chakra there called the Alta major, or the mouth

of God, which I. When I first learned about that,

I'm like, that's my mail slot.

You're like, oh, the mail slot you made.

And. And so the mail slot would open and a little

note would drop in, and it would say, sadness,

age 10. And so I'd be like. And I'd ask the

person, what happened when you were 10? That was

sad. And they were like, oh, that was when my

grandmother died. And, you know, we were so

close, and I was so sad, and we never talked

about it. There's, like, to always be a sad story

there. And so after a while of getting all of

these drops that were then correlated by my

clients, this pattern started to emerge. And the

way I've come to understand the pattern now is

that information encoded in the outer boundary.

The double layer plasma membrane of our biofield

contains information that was generated when we

were in utero. Just inside that is birth. And so

if I'm moving a tuning fork through someone's

field, it's like dropping a needle on an album

and reading the vibrational record of their

lives. All the memories are encoded in the field.

So if I'm working on somebody who's 60, I'm going

to find memories that were generated when they

were 30, around three feet away from them. And

then as we get closer to the body, we get closer

to now. So it's timelined in that as our body is

feeling and sensing and speaking and hearing all

the things. Right. That are all electrical

impulses. So it makes sense that our memory is

stored in our electrical system so that it has

this timeline quality. But I also discovered that

it was sort of striated, that it almost had like

file drawers. And every time we felt the emotion

of sadness, that would get recorded off of our

left shoulder. So I found that people who came in

who had left shoulder issues very often were

carrying a lot of heavy sadness with them. They

had undigested, unexpressed, sad emotions.

Because that particular emotion gets stored up in

a similar space in the biofield.

Yes.

Which then reverberates into the physical body.

Yes. It's kind of one of the in.

And out, all the waves.

Yeah, yeah. I noticed that every time people came

in with right hip issues, that they had a busy

mind and a busy body and were almost always over

engaged in some kind of guilt driven overdoing or

overthinking and so on through the whole body.

That every body part, the people came and said

this hurts. That there was a common underlying

mental or emotional imbalance there. And like

almost without exception. Right. And I can, I can

very easily, you know, if somebody tells me where

they have pain, I can very easily diagnose to

them, like what is going on in their mind and

their emotions in their life. That's out of

balance because magnetic fields guide and inform

electric currents. So wherever you're generating

a lot of magnetic emotional energy, it's going to

affect the way that electricity is flowing

through the body and you end up with excesses in

some places and deficiencies in other. So what

we're really doing, we're kind of like

bioelectricians and we're working through the

magnetic field in order to get the electricity to

flow through the body in a Balanced open way. So

that that's really the essence of it is finding

traumatic inputs from different parts of your

life where you developed a pattern of tension

related to that. And that pattern of tension is

inhibiting flow and it's stopping your body from

self repairing. Because the body is designed to

self repair, we all know that. And what gets in

the way are these patterns of tension. In fact,

I've come to the conclusion that anything that

you can think of, for the most part, that goes

wrong with you is tension based. And I've been

waiting for somebody to come up with things that

aren't right. Even, even something like heavy

metal poisoning. We're all exposed to heavy

metal. Why do some people end up with heavy metal

toxicity and other people don't? And I found that

there was a particular personality type that was

more prone to this. And these were the people who

suppressed their anger. And if you just think and

feel for a moment like what has to happen in your

body in order for you to suppress anger, right,

you're creating tension across every membrane in

your body. That tension is inhibiting your body

from moving these heavy metals, from processing

them, from getting them out. So when we release

these subconscious patterns of tension, and it

could be from in utero, a lot of stuff gets

formed under the age of three. Even particular

beliefs that we form create particular patterns

of tension. If you were a baby that was left to

cry it out and you were bottle fed on a schedule

and you were neglected, you develop a belief that

it doesn't matter what you say, nobody's

listening to what I'm saying. And you go through

your life and that pattern of tension informs

your voice, your vagus nerve, so that when you

speak, people hear that belief and they don't

listen to you. And it's just a pattern of

tension. So it's a sort of systematic approach to

going through the memory bank, finding the places

where you still have charge around unhealed,

unexpressed emotions or experiences, unwitnessed,

shameful things that you know you might have been

victim of when you were little that put you in

that state of tension and just gently teasing the

body to release the energy that it's holding in

that and that pattern of tension so that, so that

you can relax and that your breathing opens up.

Because in the electric health model, most of our

life force and energy comes from our breath. And

so if you're not breathing, and most people hold

their breath regularly, they breathe shallowly,

they overthink, and then they wonder why they're

exhausted at 3:00 in the afternoon. And it's

primarily because you are not getting enough

breath. So this boosts our vitality by liberating

our breath to its potential. Right, yeah.

So fascinating. So liberating our breath and all

of that energy that we're using to stay tense,

that also becomes available to us to live our

lives, to flow, to receive, to give.

Yes, all that and to really reach our potential.

Right. Because we all know that we have more

potential than what we're accessing. And your

electric potential is literally frozen in your

field and it's not in circulation because. And if

you've had a lot of trauma, you have a lot of

stuff frozen in your field. But I've found that

people who've had a lot of trauma who

successfully heal, become like superhuman because

they had to figure out how to make do with less

of themselves online. And when they start to get

themselves back online, they've really developed

a lot of skills.

And I have noticed that. And you also become.

You've also developed the skill of healing stuff

as it happens and noticing and knowing what it

is. Because I think, yeah, I noticed that there's

people. I'm like, oh, if only you were just

slightly more traumatized, you'd be forced to

deal with it. Which sounds terrible, but it's an

interesting topic. And I saw something online

this week that I wanted to respond to, but I

don't have time. And the person, you know, there

was someone who made a post about how trauma is

the cause of so many different things, and then

someone else reposted it, saying, like, why are

we blaming everything in the world on trauma? And

I. I'm curious what you feel like. My thought was

trauma is the source of all of those things, but

are the problem isn't blaming trauma. The problem

is that we somehow feel like that trauma is

permanent or something, when really it's what I

think the next phase is like, okay, people who

have a lot of trauma are very, very limited, and

it's a source of many different issues. But what

if the. What if we had a mindset where it's like,

oh, okay, so go and go and heal it. It's

possible. And it's not actually as hard as you

may have been led to believe.

It is absolutely possible, and it is absolutely

not as hard as you've been led believe. I had a

lot of trauma as a kid and had a really hard life

for a long time. Many, many difficult things. And

I backed all of that out of my system. Now I've

had a lot of tune ups. I've received a lot of

tune ups. You know, that's a beautiful thing, but

we are absolutely capable of healing these

things. And you know what happens, and I think

kind of where we're at is as we go through this

process of discovering that the trauma has

created the. Our stuck emotions are a lot of

stuckness, really. You know, I think it kind of,

a lot of it boils down to stuckness in knowing

that you want to change your life or you want to

go somewhere, you want to do something different,

but you're stuck in the wiring of all of your old

habits and inputs. But you can be rewired and we

can access that potential. And it's happening,

it's happening now. I've treated many, many, many

people and I've trained many people who are

helping people to overcome this. But you have to

get out of victim consciousness. You have to stop

attaching to your pain body and self, identifying

with your pain body. And you have to stop looking

for like, the one thing that's gonna flip the

switch. Because there, there's a kind of like

desire for people to go from level 0 to level 10

kind of instantly. And so they're always trying

to make that big jump into like, you know, the

quantum leap into their, their perfect state. And

it doesn't. Maybe that can work very once in a

great while for very few people. But the fact of

the matter, what I've observed is we have to, in

layers, remove the wiring from the pain body and

wire it back into the light body. And, and, and

it happens in layers. You can't hold the energy

of your fully expanded self without the

scaffolding to hold it right. So we can have like

an expansive experience, a heart open experience,

and, and think, wow, I'm really great. I'm gonna

be this way. And then we go home and we contract.

And then people will often like, beat themselves

up for that contraction. But that's really how we

grow and how we start to wire ourselves to be

able to hold that expanded flow state by degrees.

So we'll expand and then we'll contract a little,

and then we'll expand again and we'll contract a

little. So it's really important that you don't

resist the contractions on this journey. There's

switchbacks, there's.

Yes, loop around like this again.

Yeah. And you gotta be patient with that and not

beat yourself up. Just understand that that's how

it rolls and just keep going and keep holding

that vision of yourself. And if you find

something that Works like biofield tuning, and we

definitely know that that does. But there's so

many other great modalities out there these days

too. You know, there's a lot of options for

healing. And recognize that your parents, their

parents, their parents, nobody in the generations

before you tried to do this right? You're not

just healing your own trauma, you're healing

cultural trauma, multi generational trauma.

There's a lot to do here, right? There is a great

big piles of mess. I call us the karmic cleanup

crew. Like, there are so many people who are

coming into under the healing path that know that

they are called to clean up their ancestral

lineage, that the abuse stops with them, that the

bad behavior stops with them, and they're going

to heal and create a new life in a new way for

those kids. So that is what is going on right

now. And for those of us who've taken on the task

of doing this healing, yes, it is a lot. And it's

okay that it's a lot. And if you keep going, you

get to experience yourself as more expanded and

more regulated for longer and longer periods of

time until you finally get to the place where

you're regulated and, you know, kind of happy, I

guess, most of the time because you've. Your

electrical system isn't, you know, got all these

things that are firing in it. They're triggering

you or sending you into dysregulation. Your

window of tolerance of stressors gets bigger and

bigger and you're able to, you know, you become

like a big boat on the ocean and the waves aren't

such a big deal anymore. And we all have that

capacity. It just takes time to get there right

now, in this moment in time. Right. Because going

forward, it might be a lot easier. But right now,

what we're all doing, what you're doing, what I'm

doing, what everybody listening to this podcast

is doing, is not easy. So just so you know that.

But it's doable.

Yes, yes. And I find for me, when it gets really

hard, it's almost always because I didn't put

enough support in place. I didn't have a bio, you

know, a biofield tuning. Like, I did it and then

I stopped or I, or I didn't, you know, I'm like

out on my own too much. And I feel like even

these conversations, like our fields are

entangling and we. There's that support is

growing. Even just when I listen to someone

else's podcast and they talk about something, I'm

like, I can feel that Support emanating out into

my field, even though I don't even know those

people.

Yeah, yeah. And we're all here in the same boat,

helping each other. You know, it's an amazing

thing. I'm very grateful to be part of a number

of different communities of people who are really

full on committed towards their health, vitality,

sanity, and living the right way for themselves

and others.

Yeah, it's amazing. And it's so to be surrounded

by people who carry that message and then also

have the modalities to support it. But especially

carrying that message, if it still feels

terrible, then there's, then there's just room to

grow. And I'm thinking, my daughter does

gymnastics, right? And it's like she's learning

to do a handstand and it's like at first she

could barely stay up and then she could stay up a

few seconds and then a few seconds longer and of

course she comes down the other side. But it's

like that's just the process of learning. And

that's really what I'm taking away from what

you're saying. And in terms of growing past

trauma.

Exactly. It is, it's a, it's a muscle like any

other muscle, you know, and you, you have to work

it and you can't just do it a poke at it and

think you're going to get somewhere. In a way, I

think if you're really serious about healing, it

has to become a lifestyle. It has to be what your

life is about. You know, my life is about health.

My life is set up to keep me healthy. And it

didn't used to be that way. I used to be very

much stuck in victim mentality, poverty

consciousness, addicted to drama, low level pain,

inflammation. You know, I had all the things I

don't anymore. And what changed? It was really

uncovering the electric health model. Discovering

that our body had an electrical system, realizing

that it was primary, realizing that if you try to

come at things at the level of chemical and

mechanical, it's downstream of what's going on

electrically. So when I started receiving tuning

from my first students and then started to

understand, oh, we have an electrical system and

that's, you know, that's what gets fed when you

go out in the sun. Your light body needs light.

That's pretty simple. Yeah.

I know. I just saw this research coming out

recently. Yeah, it was, you know, like our

capacity to navigate change, life changes, work

changes, is directly correlated to the strength

of our mitochondria, which is like obvious to us.

But, you know, there's a paper on that now. It's

like, okay, all right. So when you are cleaning

out, cleaning up the biofield, so you have your.

The tuning fork, and when you. When you sense a

space that needs to be cleared, is it a. Is it a

sound?

What's really interesting, it's both a sound and

a feeling. It's a feeling of resistance that you

feel like you're hitting something that has mass.

And this was always really puzzling to me because

they claim that electromagnetism doesn't have

mass. But I'm like, there is mass here. Like,

that's what it would say.

So it's like flowing through and then it's like

hitting something or getting. Or like molasses or.

Yeah, and it's always fun to teach people this

because you think, oh, that's not possible. Or

that's. No, I don't it. And then you do it and

you hit a spot and you're like, what? Like, you

can totally feel it. And I love seeing people's

reactions when they. When they figure that out.

So there'll be like a chaos pattern of the

memory. You know, if it was something like a car

accident, the. The alarm, the chaos afterwards,

and. And the resistance that your body went into.

So I'll hear it. I'll hear the story in it.

Because the language of vibration is very

precise. So every motion makes a particular

sound, every pathology makes a particular sound.

And over the 29 years that I've been listening to

forks, I've really become extremely fluent in

this very pure language that actually animals and

plants speak the same vibrational language, which

was very fascinating to figure out. But for a

long time it was really puzzling to me. I'm like,

well, what is this sense of mass? Once the chaos

would resolve, the mass would release, and then

the tuning fork becomes like a magnet, and we're

able to actually, like, guide that feeling of

mass back into the central channel of the body

where it feels like it goes back into flow. But I

recently came across an article about how

scientists had discovered a new quasi particle

called the semi Dirac fermion that only exhibits

mass when it's traveling perpendicular to the way

it's supposed to travel. So as long as it's going

this way, it's massless, but if it diverges and

goes to the side, it exhibits mass. And I was

like, oh, so now.

Okay, now I'm seeing why that particle is so

important to you, because that's explaining why

we think there's no mass. But you were finding

Mass. But it's because physics is weird. Things

do different things depending. Okay.

So because forever people will say, when you ask

them how they feel after a session, they always

say, I feel lighter. Everybody says the same

thing. My husband said to me one day, he's like,

can't you find more of a scientific thing to say,

feel lighter? But now I can say, actually we've

corrected the flow of their semi direct fermions

and actually release mass from their field.

I love it.

Yeah, So I did. So I did an experiment because I

wanted to understand this. Now we've already

heard from people prior to this that they had

lost weight during a session. One woman messaged

me one day and said she lost ten pounds in an

hour session. And I was like, how is that even

possible? But other people had reported the same

thing. Not everyone. So I decided to create a 30

minute recorded biofuel tuning session where I

just. Over an empty table where I'm going in and

intentionally looking for. Now, I don't believe

in particles as a person, but certainly waves all

the way down, traveling waves, standing waves

that are not going the way they're supposed to,

and very intentionally combing them back into

movement. It's called the mass reduction session.

And I weighed myself before and after, and I lost

like a pound and a half in 30 minutes. And so I

was like, this is really interesting. So I shared

it in my Facebook group and I shared it on my

YouTube channel. And I started collecting data

points and what was in the data was really

interesting. So out of say 50 data points, maybe

15 didn't change. The rest all lost weight. And

the. And that was anywhere between 2 ounces and

then the highest one was 5.2 pounds in 30 minutes.

From one session.

Yeah.

And these were sessions people did.

Listening to the recording, Listening to the

recording. Just listen.

So you don't need anything, Just the recording?

Just the recording.

Incredible.

Incredible. But there is like, there's a caveat

here.

Okay.

5 people or 10 of my data set gained weight. Oh,

right. And I was, okay, I'm not gonna have to

adjust my grow up here gainers in there. And so I

was trying to figure out why that happened. And I

was querying some of the people. So one of the

women who gained weight had had a huge amount of

pain in her left shoulder and she gained like a

pound and a half. And she said the rest of her

body felt better, but her shoulders still hurt.

And then another woman who gained a pound during

it said to me that she had had a big emotional

release the day after in a therapy session. And

then when she listened to it again, she lost a

half a pound. So I started to think that if

there's some big block that is really stubborn

and it doesn't let go, the stuff that we've

released kind of bumps up against it and goes

even more haywire. And so you end up with a

bigger traffic jam of more mass because this one

bit isn't moving through. And so, yeah, I'm

really curious, you know, with repeated listens,

what happens? So I listened about seven or eight

times in two weeks and I ended up losing a total

of seven pounds. And then I listened a few more

times and I kind of plateaued. So I lost seven

pounds in two weeks just listening to this

recording. Now I tend to be an outlier in most

things, so there's no guess I would agree with

that going to happen for anyone else, but that

was my experience and, but to me it's, it's

really intriguing and it's really worth

understanding better. I'm like, who can I talk to

about this? I actually, I did send an email to

the lead author on the paper about this and I

said, hey, I discovered in the energy field with

my team. I tried to, I mean, I tried to be a

little more scientific than that, but needless to

say, he did not reply. But I think I'm onto

something here.

Yes, yes, no. And yeah, it's all coming together

because I was saying that I listened to you

talking about the semi direct fermion on your

YouTube. I was like, okay, but now that I hear

you explaining the biofield, we conceive of it as

not having a mass, but you are absolutely finding

vibrationally there to be parts of it that have

the mass. But it's because the wave. How would

you explain that Is like, like the wave gets

knocked off track by a trauma or.

Yeah, I would say I would.

Locked up.

Yeah, I would say we're designed. Frozen, right?

Yeah.

And it just ends up getting frozen because of, of

the tension that's there. The tension in the

body, the tension from the memory, the chaos

pattern of the, the information field that is

holding that energy. Right. Because we're a

combination of energy and information and the

information is patterned and the energies flow

through that pattern. And so if you've got a

pattern of tension, that car accident that you

had that time you found out your partner was

cheating, that time you moved when you were 14,

you lost your whole posse and the kids at the new

school hated you. Do you mean these are all like

and so that is stopping that energy from moving

and it ends up going sideways. And what I

actually observed was that if it sort of went

sideways up, it had this feeling of hysteria or

of losing focus or, you know, get all like, ah.

So there was one way made you that way and then

the other way was more depressive. It was sort of

like shooting yourself in the foot, you know,

being down. So those were the sort of the two

directions of dysfunctionality that I found in

this. You know, you think about, they've gone the

wrong direction.

Yeah.

And. And they had qualities that I can associate

that I've seen with people in. In different moods

of dysfunction.

Right. So fascinating.

So fascinating.

And it's so funny like that that example you

chose to use. So I have, I have my daughter's

permission to discuss this. I've. I've shared it

before, but she had, she had some birth trauma.

She was getting ready to go off to college. So I

had her do some sessions of like, primitive

reflex integration. And she had also had a lot

of. Always carried extra weight that seemed

totally unrelated to diet, physical activity,

anything. It just would. That was just how she

was. And she did this, the primitive reflex

integration, which as I'm hearing you talk, I'm

like, oh, I bet it's working on a similar way.

And we did it for anxiety and she lost all this

weight after.

Wow.

And we, like, that was not the intention. And

it's funny because one of one of her traumas was

we moved in eighth grade and she lost all her

friends and no one at the new school liked her.

It's so exciting. It was the worst age to move.

It was the worst. We felt so bad. We, you know,

it was for my husband's job, so that was that.

But it, yeah, but again to what you're saying, we

can, we can rebound, we can unfreeze these

things. We don't have to stay stuck in this. In

whatever cycle got activated by these experiences.

Yep. We can absolutely free them. As simple as

running a pinion fork.

Through your field, through your field.

It's not that hard. And anybody can learn how to

do it. And in my first book, Tuning the Human

Biofield, there's a chapter on how, you know,

this is the basic steps of moving the fork

through the field. And if you want to do it, you

can't really do it with a cheap fork from Amazon.

You know, I was just going to.

Say, do you have a special one on your website or

something?

Yeah, the 174. So if anybody is intrigued by this

and wants to learn the language of vibration. My

174Hz fork is absolutely designed for this. And

my forks are different. They're made out of a

custom alloy that you can't get anywhere else

that has really strong mid tones, it has a long

duration ring time, it's got a lot of overtones

and undertones and in this particular frequency.

And remember, I've been doing this for a long

time. I've had a lot of prototypes made. I've

worked with a lot of different frequencies, many

tens of thousands of hours. So this is. Of all

the ones I've tried, this one is really the best

for this field. Combing, learning to hear, feel,

understand. I, when I first started doing it, I

really heard the differences. But when I started

teaching, I discovered that most people come to

this practice more kinesthetically oriented and

they don't always hear the changes first, but you

can feel it in your fingertips. You can feel when

you, if you just go slow, you have to go slow.

You go slow, you feel the change, you feel the

vibration change. When my kids were little, they

were like maybe 6 and 9. And this was before I

started teaching my first students. I used to

have really bad chronic mid back pain. And so I

tried and my husband is a carpenter, he wanted

nothing to do with my tuning forks. I'm like,

okay, it's on.

You have a good time, honey. I started going to

build something.

Exactly. I started teaching them how to do it and

they were like, mom, it's so subtle. And I was

like, learn to understand subtleties and women

will love you. So I got them trained early in

that their girlfriend thanked me. But I asked my

son and he, when he was six and he came up with

two really brilliant things. I was like, how can

you tell when you found something in the field?

He said, because the fork gets more vibrating.

Okay, that's it. Fork gets more vibrating. Six

year old can do it.

Okay, perfect.

And then I asked him, okay, and what exactly are

we doing when we're doing this work? And he said,

it's taking energy from where it doesn't belong

and putting it where it does belong so it can get

to work doing what it's supposed to do. What

isn't that brilliant? As best explanation. Best

explanation, perfect. Yeah.

So he, yeah, and he was just describing his

experience of it, what he was seeing, what he.

And that's it?

Yeah. So anybody can learn, right?

So we order the fork, we order the book and we

can just do it.

You can start and then if you find it really

intriguing. Then I would definitely recommend

coming and taking a training with us.

Do you do those in person?

Yeah, we do them in person in Vermont, San Diego

and Oregon and we do them online as well. So you

can do it virtually, you can do it in person. Uh,

it's a couple levels of training with some

homework in between. But people are always, you

know, who become tuners. It, it's life changing.

You know, it's that lifestyle of healing that you

want because you're always bathed in coherent

sound. Your job is to listen. So it trains your

brain to go from the beta state that most people

is always in into a quiet alpha state of

listening. So it trains your mind and your own

system to be quiet, to be regulated. And you

learn so much in every session about what it

means to be human. Plus in most cases, not,

certainly not all. It is absolutely not a fix

everything kind of thing, but it helpful for so

many. You get the satisfaction of knowing that

you helped get someone out of pain, improve

someone's quality of life, get them self

empowered enough to choose to leave a bad

situation. You know, you get to really, truly

help people and really see the very tangible

results of that. Which I think is, you know,

we're wired as humans I think for that to make us

feel good. So it's really gratifying and really

satisfying. And it's endlessly fascinating

because you're always learning the language of

vibration. Like one day you'll, you'll be working

on someone and you're all of a sudden the fork

will go into that what we call alarm. And then

you can consult your map and you can be like

okay, according to the biofield anatomy map, this

happened when you're around 23 and maybe relate

your father and then the person be like that's

when my father and I got into a car accident,

right? And you're like oh, that sound, that's

alarm, right? And like and now I know that that

sound means that or you'll hear that a fear in

something and you'll correlate it and you're like

wow, now I know what that sound means, right. And

so it's this very pure language that can't lie

and that you just can't help but learn because

you already intuitively instinctively know it

because your own body operates in that language.

So it's just endlessly fascinating as well. And

you know, for those of us to get bored easily and

I'm sure you're one of those people too. Meredith.

Guilty.

You won't get bored infinite it's infinite. Yeah.

I love it. Well, I really. Yeah, I might. I might

come to Vermont. We have a place in New

Hampshire, so I'm there a lot. I'm gonna look up

the dates. This sounds really fun. So I wanted to

ask you because you. I heard you tell this

incredible story, so you. You reading the

biofields in, you know, in person, people would

come to you, you would go to them, you would be

in the same room with. With the person. And then,

thanks to the lockdown lords, we were in person.

Appointments were not possible for a while, so

you started to do sessions remotely. And then

that was a whole other.

Yeah, no, it was actually in 2012.

Okay.

It was way before COVID It was 2012. So I. My. My

friend Dr. Carl Merritt, who's an MD in

California, had helped me with my master's

thesis. He went through it page by page with me

to make sure that everything was correct. So it

was above excellent. And. And then he said,

eileen, how'd you like to try doing this at a

distance? And people had asked me for years if I

could do it at a distance. And my. My response

was arrogant and skeptical. I was like, of course

not. Like, how dumb? Like, don't even ask me to

do that. You know, it just didn't seem possible

or plausible. It sounded ridiculous.

Well, and I understand because you're. You're.

You're in someone's biofield. So if the person's

not there, how can you be in their biofield? Oh,

well, then I guess physics.

Yeah. So then. But I am a scientist, right? And I

love experiments. I mean, I've spent my life

following my curiosity and experimenting, you

know, find out the natural world. I think I fall

in the category of what's called the national

natural scientist. Natural philosopher. So Carl

lay down on his treatment table in his office in

California. We were not on the phone or on Zoom

or anything. I pretended that he was on my

treatment table in Vermont. And I approached the

table.

You weren't connected in any way?

Did in any way? Nope. And I approached the table

like as if he was there. And much to my

amazement, the same pattern of information that

shows up around a person showed up around the

table. It totally blew my mind. And so I went

through. And at this point, I had really

understood the field, understood what was going

on. They went through this whole field, and I

took notes about all the things that I

encountered and things like, this is your mom's

personality, and you had a head injury when you

were five and you have inflammation in this Joint

and this organ isn't firing quite right. And, you

know, the age of this was really difficult. And,

like, all kinds of just the things that I

observed that the field tells me. And then we got

on the phone and I read my notes and he said,

eileen, all of those things are exactly correct.

And I felt a state change. I feel lighter. And I

tested my resting blood sugar before or after,

and there was a beneficial shift. And I was like,

oh, my God, like, get out of town. Like, now I

gotta eat pro. Because I've been, like, so

arrogant about how it's not possible. And now it

is possible, but, like, how is it possible?

Right? So then the next person that I did it on

was my friend Brendan Murphy, who was living in

Australia at the time. I'm like, okay, it works

from Vermont to California. We'll work all the

way to Australia. Same thing. No open line of

communication. Nailed him. Just completely nailed

him. And he also felt it. So then I started doing

distance sessions with no open line of

communication. And what that forced me to do was

to drill down even deeper in my understanding of

the language of vibration. Because I didn't have

somebody to be like, okay, I'm around 13 and it

feels kind of like this. You know what happened

then? I had to be like, okay, that. That is a

breakup. That is a first love breakup. I know.

That is the sound. There is a sound. Okay, this

is blown people away in the handful of times that

I found it. Very specific spot in the field,

right side of the sacral center. Relates to

shame. Out towards the edge of the Biofield. Age

6 or 7. Did you ask to go to the bathroom in

first grade and the teacher wouldn't let you go

and you peed at your desk. And they're me, like,

how do you know that there's a sound for that?

Like, that shame of just that kind of feeling of

like being at your desk because the teacher

wouldn't let you go. Like, and it blows people

away. They're like, you know, you're a witch,

you're psychic. I'm like, no, this is pattern

recognition. This is a specific sound in a

specific area of your field. This is science.

This is not me making this up. This is a pattern

that is the same in everybody who's had this

experience. Yeah. So then I started to work on

zoom after that, and then now that's the way that

I do it. But our two big studies on anxiety are

all over zoom. And so people are like, well, how

does this work? And so there's lots of different

ways you can expect. Explain it. But lately I've

been like, have you ever caught in the vibe of a

loved one? And then all like, a moment later you

get their text, like, how do you explain that?

Are you demanding the science be behind catching

someone's vibe or you just know that it happens?

Right, yeah. So we, we are connected non locally

through the ether. We are antennas. We are

broadcasting on specific frequency bands, and we

pick up the frequency transmissions through the

ether of each other. You know, we. We are all

like Google Docs on the World Wide Web, and I can

go in and pluck out your document. You know, we

can edit your document together in real time

through the ether. And, and it is real. It

happens. And I've trained, like I said, thousands

of people have done this. This, this hypothesis

has been tested countless times, always with the

same outcome. I can tune into your energy, I can

read your energy, I can shift your energy and you

can feel it. Therefore, there is a law of nature

that supports it. You cannot dismiss something

like this out of hand as pseudoscience. When it

is science, it is happening. It is repeatable.

There has to be a net.

It's all of the things required.

All the things required are there.

Yeah. And as we were saying earlier, it's like

you can't dismiss things that are happening. I

was delighted to see, like, the Telepathy tapes

were the number one podcast in all of the United

States, which is like tens of millions of

downloads.

Yeah, right. It is, absolutely. That podcast

series has taken the paradigm wall and made it

much thinner. You know, for those of us who've

been working to like, break down this paradigm of

materialism and get over the mind, the father

culture mind, that says these things are nonsense

and don't exist and you're all delusional and

people are like, they, you know, now all of a

sudden it's like, people are like, oh, like even

I have. I love my sister, but. But she's, you

know, kind of what some people in my group would

call a normie. And. And you, you know,

appreciates me, but, you know, has never been

very interested in anything. And she recently

read an article about a study in the University

of Virginia where they had basically proven

reincarnation through these kids accounts of

their past lives. And because in her mind, the

University of Virginia is a legit thing, and

whatever reported on it was legit, all of a

sudden her mind is open, and she actually asked

me to explain ether and distance healing to her.

Like, after all these years of me doing this, her

Mind was cracked open enough. She's like, no, I

really want to understand. I was like, wow, I

wasn't expecting this.

Really? You do? Yeah. Those are the shifts.

Yeah, it's happening.

Those are the little shifts. Oh, that's amazing.

Yeah. Because. Yeah. Listening. I haven't

listened all of it, but even just the first

episode of that. Of that telepathy. And my big

takeaway was that it was like the union of the

doctor and the scientist with the creative

podcast producer who was like, let's tell this

story. And it took the two of them coming

together to break that wall. And I think, you

know, we've always, like, deferred. Maybe I'll

speak for myself. I always want to defer to the

science. Defer to the science and I'll. I'll

interview you or. But, you know, the rest of us

are just like, oh, on the sidelines of the

science. But you merged those two things

together. And what I really felt was the message

for me listening to that was that those of us who

can tell the story have a place, because the

science is all there. Like, it really is. It's

all there.

There's. There's.

We can like. It's there. It's just like in a

warehouse under lock and key, and no one's going

in to look at it.

Well, but plenty are, you know, and that's the

thing. I'm giving a keynote at the 66th Annual

Dowsers Convention coming up in May. And I'm

going to be talking about how people who have

been interested in these more esoteric things are

very often objects of ridicule by family members,

even by spouses, and how the time has come for

you to stand in your authority and speak

confidently about these things and not apologize

and not shrink and not feel bad about yourself,

because you are actually in the know. What you

know is backed up by science. And these people

who are arrogantly expressing skepticism were

like me with the distance sessions. Right. I was

like that. And. And very often you need some kind

of experience to change your mind. But I really

want to encourage those of us who have been kind

of shrinking around this topic to become more

confident, to find the studies, to share them, to

speak with confidence. Because you're not wrong.

They are actually wrong. Yes, they are ignorant

and you're not. And so that's something that I've

really had to learn to do over the years, is a

kind of verbal jujitsu with people who are

skeptics. And I've gotten so good at it that I

can Take any skeptic and within five minutes or

less change their mind simply by speaking with

confidence, citing scientific things, things that

make sense. If I can learn to do this, anyone can

learn to do this. And I really want to encourage

people to engage their inner warrior as we are

working to break down this last bit of this

paradigm because we need all of you, you know, on

this mechanistic worldview that really keeps us

all small, separate, diminishes us. We're heading

to a very different world in this age of

Aquarius, and it's going to take all of us to get

there.

Yes, all of that. Yes, I'm absolutely. And there

are so many brilliant people who feel. Who are a

little bit hiding and it's like, own it, own it,

own it. It's not. We're not the crazy ones. It's

like, I'm sorry, have you not updated your

paradigm lately? Like, what do you. Oh, you're

still, you still think that? Like, yeah, we are.

We're, you know, it's the beginning of the

beginning. But we are on the path and those

trying to block it, they just have, you know,

there's nothing left to stand on.

There's nothing left to stand on. Truly, there is

nothing left to stand on. And that's what we

really have to own, you know, for those of us the

bringers of the new paradigm, is to own that.

Love it. So I wanted to make sure people know how

to find you. So your website and then also I will

put in the link to the healing session that you

have generously made public at the moment. And if

people wanted to do the track their weight before

and after and send you, are you interested in

getting.

More results or collecting data points? What I'm

really interested in now because at first I was

like, okay, we'll do it once and see what

happens. But then when I did it repeatedly and

explain, experienced sort of steady and now I

sort of plateaued. And I didn't really wasn't

trying to lose weight. Like, this is just an

experiment that led to that. So I plateaued. But

I'm curious for people to do it, listen every day

for like a week and track that. Because I'm

curious if it in if there are other people who

are going to have the same experience that I did

and keep on going. So I'm also curious about the

people who, if anybody gains weight, what their

perspective is on their own emotional blockages

and how that might be getting in the way. But

either way, it's a great session. It's very

expanding. It just makes you feel lighter. It

gives you more energy. And, you know, the there

is a maybe share the YouTube video that kind of

gives it context, because.

Under the video.

Yeah. And so that's a place you could go to.

Report data is just in the comments on the

YouTube channel.

Oh, perfect. Okay, so we'll I'll put the exact

link in the show notes, but if you're driving and

just making a mental note, just look up Eileen

McKusick on YouTube. And it's one of the more

recent videos where she explains the semi direct

fermion mass changing non particle wave. Eileen,

thank you so very much for coming on. It's

absolutely delightful to speak with you. And my

world has been expanded. I appreciate it.

Yay. My pleasure, Meredith. Thanks for having me.