So welcome to the ADHD Women's wellbeing wisdom.
Speaker ALittle short, bite sized pieces of wisdom that I've curated from all the many, many episodes that have been recorded over this time.
Speaker AAnd I really hope that this short insight will help you on the week ahead.
Speaker ASo today you'll hear from Aletta Storch.
Speaker AAletta specializes in providing anti diet value centered body liberation work with people who have a history of disordered eating, autoimmune conditions and adhd.
Speaker ALet's hear what Aletta's got to say.
Speaker AI think some people have been so disconnected for so long, haven't they, with food and recognizing all the different signs that I guess, what food can and can't give them.
Speaker ADo you see a lot of people that come in there and just feel so disconnected?
Speaker BYeah, absolutely.
Speaker BLike that disembodiment and what you're describing for yourself is what we would call like gentle nutrition, right?
Speaker BLike thinking about like, okay, not only do I know I need food, but I know that like a meal or a snack with protein is actually going to help me feel less foggy than if I just had, you know, one macronutrient.
Speaker BAnd so that's the gentle nutrition.
Speaker BAnd I like to think of nutrition healing work is a pyramid where gentle nutrition is on top.
Speaker BAnd that's like the last step that we work on.
Speaker BAnd you start at the bottom of the pyramid, which is like just getting enough food and it doesn't matter what kind of food it is and then working your way up through those things like variety and pleasure and accessibility, right?
Speaker BLike having an abundance of food.
Speaker AThat's really interesting because what you said about variety.
Speaker ABut what I'm thinking is that people have with ADHD more so that certain textures, sensory stuff with food only having a specific type of color, all these different things have come into play from a very young age and that's carried through until adulthood.
Speaker ASo when you talk about variety, that can really, you know, be a problem.
Speaker AAnd again, I can see, I think several different people who, different colors of food just, it's just like no way.
Speaker ABut when you're an adult and these nutritional needs have to be met so we can work, we can parent, we can live the best lives.
Speaker AIt's, it's almost like unlearning everything from a young age and that's, that can feel really hard work, can't it?
Speaker BYeah, yeah, it can feel really scary.
Speaker BAnd there's no timeline, right?
Speaker BLike, I can't say we're gonna do like two weeks on the bottom layer of the pyramid.
Speaker BAnd then we'll do a week on the next layer, right?
Speaker BLike for some people, they spend six months or even longer just figuring out how to eat enough and then we can move up to more of that variety.
Speaker BBut if those food needs aren't getting met, then they can't do that work of like, okay, I need a protein and a carbohydrate at 10am because our bodies, like, don't really care about what nutrients we're getting if we're not getting all of those other food needs met.
Speaker AAnd I've seen on your Instagram, which is brilliant, and you give lots of great advice about food prep and helping yourself, I guess, isn't it like using an instant pot?
Speaker AWhat tips would you be able to give in a bit of a snapshot of basically, and helping ourselves and helping ourselves be organized, Helping ourselves to be ahead.
Speaker AYou know, especially when shopping can feel overwhelming.
Speaker APiecing recipes together again.
Speaker AI think I'm probably mentioned on the podcast before that I do love cooking, but if you give me a recipe, recipe, it takes all the pleasure away.
Speaker AAnd some people love a recipe, like my sister loves a recipe.
Speaker ABut for me it's like, pull stuff out the fridge and whip up whatever, you know, I can find.
Speaker ABut sometimes if you don't have that kind of like, for cooking, that can feel really challenging.
Speaker ASo what tips would you give people so they can be ahead of themselves and feel like they are in control of getting the right nutrients?
Speaker BYeah, well, I mean, I guess first want to say, like, I love what you're doing with like the creativity piece.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BAnd kind of using that part.
Speaker BA lot of ADHDers have that creative side of their brain.
Speaker BAnd so being able to say like, you don't need a recipe, you can actually just get creative if that's something you enjoy doing.
Speaker BBut I would say like, the biggest tip that I start with is to keep it simple.
Speaker BWe have this idea that in order to be like, quote unquote, like good eaters or to be healthy, that we have to be preparing every single thing from scratch and that everything has to look like this, you know, Instagram worthy meal or snack.
Speaker BAnd it's just not true.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker BLike you can throw together a random snack and that's totally like just based on what you have, and that's totally fine.
Speaker BBut one of the keys is having that food available that you can grab from.
Speaker BAnd so it might be just like stocking your fridge with foods that you know that you like and not not trying to say, like, I'm going to have cheese and crackers on Monday afternoon, right.
Speaker BIt might be like open the fridge and really start to think about like what actually sounds good, what speaks to you and then just grabbing that and eating it and letting that be okay.
Speaker BAnd then with meals really relying on like pre cut vegetables.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BBecause if there's too many steps, we're not going to do it.
Speaker BAnd that's something I learned about myself early on.
Speaker BLike I'm not going to sit and cut up an onion and carrots and celery to start a soup.
Speaker BAnd so I'll just buy the like combo pack of like mirepoix, right.
Speaker BAnd just use that because it's already prepared.
Speaker BIt makes things easier.
Speaker BAnd so really just asking like, how can I make this one or two or three steps easier and not feel all this pressure to have to do everything on my own.
Speaker BAnd that, that goes against diet culture, but it's so important for folks with executive dysfunction.
Speaker AAbsolutely.
Speaker AAnd it's just like get rid of the shame and the stigma is like you can cook from scratch but you can cheat as well.
Speaker AAnd you know, here in the UK we have amazing range of frozen vegetables.
Speaker AAnd what you just said, then we've got like loads of different mixes.
Speaker AAnd again I use the, that we've got, it's like a sofrito mix where you can do the.
Speaker AExactly what you said.
Speaker AThe carrot, I think it's courgette, onion and celery.
Speaker AAnd that's normally my base for so much I just throw that in.
Speaker AIt's spag bowl, it's soups, it's lasagna.
Speaker AAnd I try and make my life as easy as possible.
Speaker AI don't want to prove anything to anyone anymore.
Speaker ALike I don't have to prove that I'm a good mom, I'm a good wife for spending another hour in the kitchen if I don't need to.
Speaker ASo like tins and frozen food and like you say, you know, pre cut vegetables and fruit if you can afford it and you know, sometimes we have to weigh it up and I, I often stand in the supermarket and look at all the pre prepared vegetables and I see the price markup and I think don't be lazy.
Speaker ALike don't spend X more money if you don't need to.
Speaker ABut then my brain kicks in and says to me, well what, what's the price that you're gonna pay?
Speaker AYou know, if you got time, this is going to make you less stressed, it's going to make you less overwhelmed, it's going to make you Feel like it's a much easier task.
Speaker ASo I would, I would say anyone listening that kind of thinks, oh, it's, it's bad to, you know, buy all the pre prepared stuff.
Speaker AJust weigh it up and if, if it makes your life easier, do it.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BYeah, that, that's so funny.
Speaker BI had such a similar experience yesterday.
Speaker BI was making like this pasta bake and I went to the cheese section and it was like, do I buy a whole block of cheese or do I buy the pre grated?
Speaker BAnd I was like, man, am I really going to grate all of that cheese?
Speaker BProbably not.
Speaker BSo then like, half of that block is just going to go bad in the fridge.
Speaker BAnd so really I'm like saving myself by buying the pre grated because it's not going to get wasted.
Speaker BSo it actually will cost me less in the long run.
Speaker BAnd then, yeah, I did make the dish and it was delicious.
Speaker BAnd now I have grated cheese for something else that I can use that's already there for me.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo I love that idea of like weighing the costs and the benefits.
Speaker AI think it is.
Speaker AAnd it's just, again, it's removing that shame of.
Speaker AIt doesn't have to look like other people's food on Instagram.
Speaker AIt doesn't have to match like all the recipes that you've seen.
Speaker AIf it's working for you and you enjoy it and it's hopefully balanced in some way, then just.
Speaker AAnd I think it just goes to a much bigger way of thinking with ADHD is that we have always been conditioned to do things the way other people do it and we try and fit into boxes that other people do, but our way of doing things has always been different.
Speaker ALike, we just think differently and we, whether it's, you know, time saving or whether it's just because it just doesn't go in, like we just, it's just like, no, that doesn't feel right.
Speaker ABut we've tried.
Speaker AAnd again, and I think just cooking and food, it's okay if you do it your way and it's healthy and it's making you feel good and you're getting the right amount of food that you need to get to prevent you from having, I guess, issues with, with food and disordered eating and the binge eating, which again, that cycle of shame just comes back at you the next day.
Speaker BYeah, absolutely.
Speaker BAnd even like preventing, like you said, like that hanger, right?
Speaker BLike, yeah, it's going to save you like 20 minutes to have all of the pre prepared ingredients.
Speaker BThen you get to eat 20 minutes earlier and maybe you'll be nicer to your family for 20 extra minutes.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd I saw on your.
Speaker AI saw in your Instagram that you're a big fan of the instant pot.
Speaker AIs that right?
Speaker BYes, yes.
Speaker BAnd I'm like, not sponsored by instant pot.
Speaker BDon't get any kickbacks.
Speaker BBut I really believe that, like, every adhder should experiment with one and see if it's something that works for them, because you can.
Speaker BYou can throw anything in.
Speaker BAnd one of my favorite things is like, taking frozen meat out of the freezer and throwing it in, because I know never remember to take it out.
Speaker BThat's just not something that's going to happen for me.
Speaker BAnd so that was a big game changer.
Speaker BAnd yeah, just being able to, like, throw things in and walk away makes making dinner so much easier for me.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AI have to say, I've got one as well, and I love it and I use it for so many different things and exactly that.
Speaker AYou know, say you come in from work or you come in with your kids and you.
Speaker AAnd you've had that realization that you've not done anything.
Speaker AIt's all.
Speaker AIt's just so much quicker.
Speaker AAnd again, it's.
Speaker AYou've got another tool to your belt, haven't you?
Speaker AOf.
Speaker AInstead of shaming yourself and oh, my God, I've not done this again.
Speaker AIt's okay.
Speaker ALike, I've got the instant pot.
Speaker AI can do this.
Speaker AI can throw some stuff in from the freezer and dinner will still be ready, you know, at a decent time, as opposed to having to resort to whether it's takeaway and the spiral of.
Speaker AOf shame again, of, oh, here's another night I've.
Speaker AI've done a takeaway.
Speaker AAnother night I've not been organized.
Speaker ASo it's definitely trying to find lots of tools and hacks that work for us that may not work for other people with other families that.
Speaker AYou know, I was speaking to someone recently, someone else with adhd, and she just said the minute she dropped this story that everything had to look like her neighbor or her friend.
Speaker AThe way they did things, it was like this freedom.
Speaker AIt was almost like this blank canvas for life that she'd written all these rules that the way things should be.
Speaker AAnd she kept struggling to achieve these, you know, get to that place of.
Speaker AAnd she was comparing herself all the time.
Speaker AAnd then she just made a choice.
Speaker AIt's literally just making sure that I'm not going to subscribe to the way they do things because the way they do things is the way that's right for them.
Speaker AIt's not right for me.
Speaker AAnd once we make that choice, when we've got the recognition that, okay, we've got adhd, this is why we've always been in resistance to lots of things.
Speaker AWe've struggled.
Speaker ABut I can make a choice now.
Speaker AI can either go do things my way, which work and still feeds me and still feeds my family, or I can still keep pushing and resisting and kind of, you know, getting angry with myself.
Speaker ASo it's, it's nice to be able to have that place where it's, it's almost like a self acceptance and a forgiveness the way we are and let's find a way that works for us.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker BIt's totally like unlearning that internalized ableism, right.
Speaker BThat belief that we're broken if we can't do things perfectly or consistently or in an organized way.
Speaker BAnd so, yeah, like you said, like letting go of that narrative.
Speaker BAnd that's where the self compassion piece is huge.
Speaker BI think that it comes into every conversation that I have with an ADHDer, every session we talk about, okay, and how can you have self compassion?
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BBecause things aren't going to go like you said, the way that we're taught or we're shown they should, that it should go.
Speaker AYeah, self compassion is huge.
Speaker AAlways learning, always learning.
Speaker AAnd, and I think we have to have the self compassion for knowing, like you say, that every day is going to be different and we're going to have really good days and we're going to think we've like smashed it and we've learned and then we're going to wake up the next morning and everything's going to be late and we didn't go to bed the night before like the time we wanted to and we're going to start the morning, but that doesn't mean that every day is going to be like that.
Speaker AWhereas I think maybe beforehand we just wrote this script about ourselves and we kind of like fall into that character of I'm the person that can't get up in time to have breakfast, I'm the person that doesn't prepare dinner and we just, you know, fall into that way of being.
Speaker AWhereas maybe we can just start talking to ourselves that every day we just try the hardest that we can with the resources that we've got, depending on our cycles, depending on all the outside, you know, circumstances that are going on because nothing's linear and no one's perfect.
Speaker AADHD or not.
Speaker ALike no one is perfect.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BYeah, absolutely.
Speaker BAnd so much of, like, meal planning and thinking about food and cooking is almost like planning for that perfect day every day.
Speaker BAnd so I love to think about, like, how can we plan for different levels of energy and time and capacity and even, like, motivation, Right?
Speaker BAnd maybe, maybe you sleep in past your alarm.
Speaker BLike, can you have one breakfast option that's just grab and go for those days where you.
Speaker BWhere you don't get up early.
Speaker BBut then you could have an option for the days where you do get up early.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker BLike, maybe you're making an omelet on those days where you feel like a 10 and you're grabbing a granola bar on the days where you feel like a one.
Speaker BAnd that way you're still nourishing your body and you're still feeding yourself and not falling into that pit of shame of like, oh, I didn't feed myself again.
Speaker BI didn't have time.
Speaker BAnd so it is like almost this level planning and knowing, like, we're going to have a whole range of days, and that's okay.
Speaker ASo I hope you enjoyed listening to this shorter episode of the ADHD Women's Wellbeing podcast.
Speaker AI've called it the ADHD Women's well Being Wisdom.
Speaker ABecause I believe there's so much wisdom in the guests that I have on and their insights.
Speaker ASo sometimes we just need that little bit of a reminder.
Speaker AAnd I hope that has helped you today and look forward to seeing you back on the brand new episode on Thursday.
Speaker AHave a good rest of your week.