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Welcome back to Connect and Convert, the sales accelerator podcast

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Leah, my, I'm Dennis Collins and there's Leah.

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Hi Leah.

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That is what we are.

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Or your money back, right?

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And

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that's a Canadian guarantee you can take to the bank.

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As if a U.

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guarantee is no good.

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Is that what you're saying?

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Well, I don't know.

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I watch the news.

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That's all I'm going to say.

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Oh, boy.

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That hurts.

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A deep stab by our Canadian so called friend here.

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Hey, well, you know what?

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Maybe this is an apropos topic today.

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We're going to talk about what I call the I knew it all along bias.

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I told you it's the, I told you so.

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Bias, you know, as you know, Leah, I'm a, I'm a nerd.

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I'm a big fan of studying cognitive biases.

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There are over 200 known cognitive biases.

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Okay?

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I promise you, you, I'm not gonna list all 200 today, but I have a couple favorites.

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Okay?

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So let me give you a story first to start this off.

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An event has taken place, okay?

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You had no way really to accurately predict in advance what the outcome

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would be, but after it actually happens, you are very certain that

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you really knew the outcome all along, way before it ever happened.

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Okay.

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I got, I got a story about that.

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Back in my radio days in Miami, we bought a station.

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That was in a oldies type music format, and there was another station that also

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had an oldies format, but we knew when we bought the station, there was only

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room for one oldies format in the market.

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Right.

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So we bought it with with that in mind, and we told ourselves, okay, um,

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That, you know, we needed to somehow figure out a way to get them out of it.

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Okay, that was no easy task getting a company to change a format is a big deal.

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It's a really big deal.

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Okay.

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So eventually, the day comes, and they do it.

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They switched to a country music format.

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Wow.

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Leaving us the only Oli station in the market.

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So guess what we said?

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We knew it all along.

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Okay?

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We told you so.

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That was going to happen.

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Really?

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We didn't know it.

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Okay.

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But isn't that an, yeah, that's called the hindsight bias, but

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there are hundreds of biases.

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Uh, what, what's your favorite bias?

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Leah?

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You probably have a couple biases.

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You.

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No, I'm not really a biased kind of a person.

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I'm not that, that's not my thing.

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I'm, I'm very open-minded.

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I like to, you know, as you know, look at, look, look at the heart of the matter

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and then make a decision based on that.

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But no, I don't think maybe when it comes to wizard academy because they sponsor us.

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I mean, I love wizard academy, but, uh, so,

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so you don't have any cognitive biases, but you are by

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And of course, Dennis, I'm teasing because even, even when we're

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kibitzing at the beginning of our, of our podcast, and I'm teasing you

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a little bit about American banking.

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I mean, we have biases based on what we read on the people we

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know on our personal preferences.

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When it comes, why are there so many restaurants out there?

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That's a, that's a form of bias.

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I like this flavor.

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You like that flavor, which Mexican restaurant is the best.

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You cannot avoid it.

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And if you have someone who's telling you, Oh no, I don't have biases.

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Wow.

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Be very wary.

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Yep.

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For sure.

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They actually have a name for that one.

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It's called the bias blind spot.

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This bias causes people to, they can easily recognize cognitive biases in

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other people, but they fail to see the impact biases have on their own judgment.

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They have a bias.

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for the non bias bias.

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So how about that?

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We tend to believe that our own perceptions and judgments are

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rational, are accurate, free from bias.

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I got a newsflash, Leah.

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If we're human, and I think we are, we're all susceptible to cognitive

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biases that can distort our thinking, especially when we're not aware.

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I think the first step in this is just say acknowledge the fact that

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we're biased and it's a blind spot.

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We don't see it, but we can take steps to critically examine thought processes.

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We can seek outside perspectives.

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We can use tools and strategies.

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There's a lot of things we can and should do to eliminate it.

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So what, what, what is the impact of hindsight bias on a small business?

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Well.

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Basically, it's, it's the tendency to perceive past events as

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having been more predictable than they actually were at the time.

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Of course, that's after, you know, hindsight, you know,

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is always 20 20, as they say.

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After an event has occurred, we have more information.

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We know, you know, more than we did before it occurred.

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So, oh yeah, I knew that was going to happen.

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That's, that was predictable.

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I saw that coming.

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Um, do you ever have that feeling, Leah?

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I knew it all along.

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Does that resonate with you?

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Absolutely.

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And, and we, we want to have that.

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We want to have that Gnostic knowledge.

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We want to be able to think, okay, when I make a decision, I'm very logical.

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I'm very, you know, I'm basing it on all of this information.

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But you said it best, Dennis, a lot of that information wasn't

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available prior to it being hindsight.

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If the information is all laid out in front of us, What are we going to do?

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We're going to create a bias based on that information.

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When there's new information that is suddenly relevant,

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we're going to change the bias.

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It's the human condition.

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Why is that, you know, why is that dangerous in business?

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Well, when a company succeeds or fails, people often look back and

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point to the factors that they believe made the outcome obvious.

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Well, of course, now it's obvious.

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How about Apple's success?

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With the iPhone, you know, everybody's excited about the iPhone to this day.

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It's one of the most coveted things that you can have many.

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Um, at first claim, the product success was inevitable.

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I don't know if you remember.

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It was not inevitable.

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Okay.

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There was a lot of skepticism.

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There was a lot of question.

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What is this iPhone?

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Who is this guy jobs?

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What is this stuff all about?

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There was uncertainty about its launch, but of course hindsight biases.

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Oh yeah, we knew that was going to happen.

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We knew that we knew it all along.

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How about let's talk politics for a minute.

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This will get us in trouble, won't it?

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Uh, the 2016 U.

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presidential election.

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Now, I know you Canadians don't care what happens here, but

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that was an interesting election.

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It was.

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Many people claimed that Donald Trump's victory was inevitable, was

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obvious in hindsight, despite the polls, the pundits, the evidence suggesting

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Otherwise, in fact, it was quite a surprise on election night when the

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announcement was that Trump had won.

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But hindsight biases.

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Oh, I knew it all along.

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Interesting, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Can't we have obviously another election year here in 2024 coming up later in 2024.

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Let's see what I hadn't heard.

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I know.

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I know.

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Well, the news doesn't travel up to Canada, you know, there's, but

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I'll keep, you know what, Lee, I'll keep you advised on that.

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I'll, I'll let you know.

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So what are the dangers?

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Okay.

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We know bias exists.

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We know hindsight bias exists.

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I can tell you from my own experience of running radio stations for all those

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years, When we failed to examine our past mistakes or our bad decisions

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by saying, well, that outcome was inevitable or predictable, that kind

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of gives up control, doesn't it?

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That kind of says, oh, well, nothing I can do about it.

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See, I have a strong belief in the concept of agency, not ad agencies, but agency.

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Agency, our ability to do something.

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about stuff.

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We can control some outcomes.

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Okay, we can fix bad judgments, poor decisions, past mistakes.

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But first of all, we have to accept the fact that they were not inevitable.

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Okay, there are things we can do once we accept that.

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It also is change resistant.

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A lot of businesses believe their current strategy, their current

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decisions, those are optimal.

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Those are the best decisions we can make based on past success.

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Dangerous, dangerous thinking.

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Have you had clients, have you done businesses that fall into that

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bias, uh, not really evaluating what happened in the past?

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Absolutely.

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And what it does is it mitigates personal responsibility.

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When it comes to business, it's not always as a negative.

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When positive stuff is happening, and I think of clients that I've helped with

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advertising, the, the, it always breaks my heart when after a year of advertising,

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they'll go, yeah, you know what?

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We grew here and this happened and this happened.

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That was going to happen anyway.

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That really had nothing to do with what it is that we were doing.

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That, that is just as much my fault as it is theirs for not recognizing

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what happened because I didn't set them up to realize that that point

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in the sand of what's going on.

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I, I often like to take things away from the advertising or

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the, the, um, business arena.

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And let's look at, Personal responsibility in the areas like health.

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How many people do you know that are not at their healthiest weight

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will defend to the death the fact that they hardly eat anything?

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They, they don't eat unhealthy.

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They don't, they cannot figure out where this weight came from because they, it's

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certainly not anything that they're doing, but if you take away, yeah, but if you

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take away their opportunity for that bias, if you, if you pull it out of the equation

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by forcing them to what take a, make a journal of what it is that they're eating.

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They're in a state of shock.

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I had no idea I was eating that much.

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I didn't realize.

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I didn't know.

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I eat 5, 000 calories a day?

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Oh!

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And they thought they were on a starvation plan.

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So by forcing the issue, it gets rid of that ability for them to, um,

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just not know what's going on or to claim, not to have, be responsible.

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I like your take on that.

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The The kind of overlooking our accountability, just, well, there's

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nothing I could do about that.

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I knew it all along, uh, not a good place for a successful business owner to be.

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So we always like to issue a challenge, right?

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Yes.

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One of our, one of our closing remarks is also a challenge, a breakout challenge.

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We challenge you this coming week.

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Review your decision making process.

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Okay?

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Take a look at the good, the bad, and the ugly.

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All decisions.

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Okay?

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Review it.

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Don't say that they were all inevitable, because they're not.

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Some might be.

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Most aren't.

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What could you have done differently with decision A, B, or C that

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could have had a different outcome?

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Get a coach or consultant to evaluate your situation.

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It's awfully hard to see from inside the bottle.

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Okay?

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You can't read the label on the bottle from inside the bottle.

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Get someone you trust to give you an objective view of what's

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going on in your business.

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But by all means, challenge.

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Question your decision making process.

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Use a tool such as Edward De Bono's Six Thinking Hats.

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Six thinking hats.

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We'll do a podcast on that one day.

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Interesting.

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Easy process.

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Easy process to learn.

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Easy to use.

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Game changer.

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When it comes to decision making.

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Game changer.

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Okay.

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Let's do that.

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So do we have, do we have any questions that have come in by any chance?

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We try to answer any questions, uh, that our viewers, listeners send us.

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Uh, I, I don't know if we have any, Leah, do you see any?

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No.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Well, I know we have a few that we're going to be actually building

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into podcasts because they're not to be answered just in 30 seconds.

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So we're not going to just, we're not just going to dabble in the answering.

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We're going to, we're going to give some definite ones.

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So that's why you got to stay tuned.

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We're getting there.

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We're going to give you the, we're going to give you the meat.

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Right.

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Where's the meat?

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The meat's right here, right?

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Absolutely.

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As always, I've enjoyed this time together.

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I hope our audience has enjoyed it.

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Please write in.

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Please, uh, talk to us.

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Send us emails.

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We'd love to get them ask a question.

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We'll put you on the podcast.

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Okay, but for now Leah Bumfrey and Dennis Collins signing off for

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this episode of connect and convert the sales Accelerator podcast.

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See you next time