Welcome back to SCOTUS oral arguments and opinions.
Speaker BToday we'll cover Bost vs. Illinois State Board of Elections, a case that could fundamentally reshape how candidates challenge election laws in federal court.
Speaker BThis case sits right at the intersection of two major areas of Article 3 standing doctrine and election law.
Speaker BWe're talking about whether political candidates have a special right to challenge the rules governing their elections or whether they have to meet the same standing requirements as everyone else.
Speaker BBost is the first of three election campaign related cases, the other two being Louisiana versus Calais and National Republican Senatorial Committee versus Federal Elections Committee.
Speaker BThe Court scheduled Bost for oral arguments on October 8, 2025.
Speaker AWhat makes this particularly fascinating is that we have Congressman Michael Bost and two Republican Presidential elector nominees and challenging Illinois's law that allows mail in ballots to be counted up to 14 days after election Day, as long as they're postmarked by Election Day.
Speaker BSo let's break down what's at stake here.
Speaker BAt its core, this case asks when can candidates challenge election rules in federal court?
Speaker BPetitioners argue that candidates should have broad standing to challenge any rule governing their elections.
Speaker BIllinois says not so fast.
Speaker BYou still need to show concrete particularized harm just like any other plaintiff.
Speaker BAnd that tension has huge implications.
Speaker BIf the court sides with the petitioners, it could open the floodgates to candidate challenges of virtually any election rule.
Speaker BIf it sides with Illinois, candidates might find it much harder to get their day in court on election law disputes.
Speaker AI'm looking forward to discussing the nitty gritty of this case, but before going any further, we want to highlight that the Supreme Court granted certiorari in Trump vs Slaughter, a case involving Trump administration for firings a member of the Federal Trade Commission without cause.
Speaker AThe question in this case boils down to whether the President can remove a Federal Trade Commissioner without cause when a federal statute permits their removal only for inefficiency, neglect of duty or malfeasance in office.
Speaker AThe Supreme Court specifically asked the parties to brief whether a prior court case, Humphrey's executor states, should be overruled and whether federal courts may even stop a person's removal from office.
Speaker AIn a nutshell, on March 25, 2025, President Trump fired FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter, stating that her continued service on the FTC is inconsistent with my administration's priorities.
Speaker AThe removal message did not allege that Commissioner Slaughter had engaged in any inefficiency and neglect of duty or malfeasance in office as required by the FTC Act.
Speaker ACommissioner Slaughter was denied access to her office.
Speaker AHer staff was placed on administrative leave or reassigned, and she was listed as a former commissioner on the FTC website.
Speaker AThe case came to the Supreme Court on an application for stay pending appeal.
Speaker AIn their stay request, the Solicitor General asked the Supreme Court to treat its stay application as a petition for a writ of certerary before judgment and grant the petition.
Speaker AWe'll cover more on this case as oral arguments approach.
Speaker ASuffice to say Slaughter presents massive implications in the areas of presidential and congressional power.
Speaker BThose are thorny issues confronting the Supreme Court.
Speaker BYou may recall from past episodes.
Speaker BWe discussed Supreme Court interventions in cases where Trump fired members of the National Labor Relations Board, the Merit Systems Protection Board, and the Consumer Product Safety Commission.
Speaker BThese cases, Trump v. Wilcox and Trump v. Boyle, hold data points that may help forecast the Court's leanings.
Speaker BIn those cases, the Supreme Court granted stay requests allowing the United States to remove members of this bodies while their cases worked through the courts.
Speaker BI'll link to these episodes in the show.
Speaker ANotes Last part on Trump vs. Wilcox Wilcox's lawyers wrote a letter to the court in the Slaughter case that asked the judges to also grant certiorari in her case.
Speaker AHowever, the Supreme Court rejected Wilcox's certerary request and denied certiorary before judgment.
Speaker AStay turned for more details on Trump versus Slaughter, let's now turn to the feature case of this episode, Bost versus Illinois.
Speaker ALet me read the question presented to our listeners whether petitioners as federal candidates have pleaded sufficient factual allegations to show Article 3 standing to challenge state time, place and manner regulations concerning their federal elections.
Speaker BYou know, that question is deceptively simple, but it cuts to the heart of constitutional law.
Speaker BLet me read the key constitutional text that's driving this whole dispute.
Speaker BArticle 3, Section 2 the Judicial Power shall extend to all cases in law and equity arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made or which shall be made under their authority.
Speaker BThat language about cases and controversies might sound straightforward, but the Supreme Court has interpreted it to require that plaintiffs have standing, meaning they've suffered a concrete, particularized injury that's traceable to the defendant's conduct and likely to be redressed by a favorable decision.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker AAnd what's fascinating here is that this case or controversy requirement was designed to ensure that federal courts don't become roving commissions issuing advisory opinions on every legal question.
Speaker ABut in the election context, that creates this real tension.
Speaker ACandidates obviously care deeply about election rules, but do they have the kind of concrete injury that Article 3 requires?
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BAnd there's this additional wrinkle with the Elections Clause and Electors Clause.
Speaker BArticle one, Section four says the times, places and manner of holding elections for senators and representatives shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof.
Speaker BBut the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations.
Speaker BSo states have initial authority, but Congress can override.
Speaker BAnd Article 2 gives Congress the power to determine the time of choosing the electors.
Speaker BSo we have this federal framework where Congress has set the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November as Election Day.
Speaker BBut Illinois says we can count ballots that arrive up to two weeks later.
Speaker BSo let's tell the story of how we got here.
Speaker BThis all starts with Illinois's decision in 2005 to change its ballot receipt deadline before then.
Speaker BLike most states, Illinois required mail in ballots to be received by Election Day to count.
Speaker BBut Illinois decided to join what's now about half the states in allowing ballots to be counted if they're postmarked by Election Day but arrive within 14 days afterward.
Speaker BThe law requires either a postmark showing the ballot was mailed by Election Day or or assigned certification dated on or before Election Day.
Speaker BAnd Illinois isn't alone here.
Speaker BThis practice actually has deep historical roots.
Speaker BDuring the Civil War, many states allowed soldiers fighting away from home to vote absentee, and their ballots were often received after the designated Election day.
Speaker BSo there's this long tradition of accommodating voters who can't physically be present on Election Day.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd today these laws serve broader purposes, even easing burdens on active duty service members and their families and just generally making voting more accessible.
Speaker ABut here's where it gets interesting.
Speaker ALegally, Congressman Michael Bost and two Republican presidential elector nominees decided to challenge Illinois's law.
Speaker ANow, Bost has been in Congress since 2015, representing Illinois's 12th congressional district.
Speaker AAnd the two women, Laura Palestrini and Susan Sweeney, were seeking appointment as Republican presidential electors in 2020.
Speaker AThey filed this lawsuit in May 2022, well before any election, arguing that Illinois's law violates federal statutes that set Election Day.
Speaker BThe district court wasn't having it.
Speaker BIn July 2023, the court dismissed the complaint, holding that the petitioners lacked Article 3 standing.
Speaker BThe court said, look, this law affects all federal candidates equally, and you haven't shown how you're particularly harmed compared to your opponents.
Speaker AThe district court was also skeptical of Bost's claim that he suffered pocketbook injuries from having to extend his campaign operations and monitor late arriving ballots.
Speaker AThe court said those expenditures were undertaken to avoid purely speculative harm.
Speaker BThen the 7th Circuit affirmed in a Split decision.
Speaker BBut here's where the legal reasoning gets really interesting.
Speaker BThe majority agreed with the district court that petitioners lacked standing.
Speaker BBut Judge Scudder wrote this fascinating partial dissent.
Speaker BJudge Scudder's dissent is actually crucial to understanding this case.
Speaker BHe said, look, Congressman Bost has to keep his campaign headquarters open for two extra weeks, pay his staff longer, send poll watchers to monitor ballot counting.
Speaker BThose are concrete, particularized costs that are directly traceable to Illinois's law.
Speaker AAnd Judge Scudder made this really practical point.
Speaker AEven if Congressman Bost had won re election by 99% in 2022, he would have been more than justified in monitoring the count after Election Day.
Speaker AUntil the last ballot is counted, he said, federal courts should be wary of labeling such common campaign practices as speculative.
Speaker BWhat's particularly striking about Judge Scudder's dissent is how he distinguished this case from Clapper vs. Amnesty International.
Speaker BIn Clapper, the plaintiffs couldn't show they were likely to be subjected to government surveillance.
Speaker BBut here, Judge Scudder said, the application of the challenged government restriction, the ballot receipt deadline, is a near certainty.
Speaker AThat's the key insight.
Speaker AThere's no speculation about whether Illinois will count ballots received after Election Day.
Speaker AThey definitely will.
Speaker AThe question is whether that creates cognizable harm to candidates sufficient for standing.
Speaker AThe Supreme Court granted certiorari to resolve this standing question, and that's significant because the circuits are split on how to handle candidate standing in election law cases.
Speaker BAnd this case definitely fits that bill.
Speaker BIt's a fundamental question about the scope of federal court jurisdiction in election law disputes, with practical implications for how and when these challenges can be brought.
Speaker BLet's dive into how each side makes their case, starting with the petitioners.
Speaker BBost and his co plaintiffs make three main arguments, and their broadest one is actually pretty remarkable.
Speaker BThey want the court to adopt a blanket rule that candidates always have standing to challenge election rules.
Speaker BThis is their most aggressive argument.
Speaker BThey say candidates have standing to challenge the rules that govern their elections because they have an obvious, particularized and concrete interest in the legality and fairness of the rules that govern the elections into which they pour their time and treasure.
Speaker AAnd they back this up with some staggering numbers.
Speaker AThey point out that in the last cycle, the average Senate race cost $49,624,634 in campaign expenditures, and the average House race cost $4,412,132 in campaign expenditures.
Speaker AThey argue that kind of investment creates a unique stake in election rules.
Speaker BBut it's not Just about money.
Speaker BThey argue that candidates spend time away from their job and family to traverse the campaign trail and pour money and sweat into a campaign, giving them an interest that is undeniably different and more particularized than ordinary citizens.
Speaker ATheir second argument is more focused on Congressman Bost.
Speaker ASpecifically, they contend he has standing based on harm to his electoral prospects.
Speaker ANow here's where the legal doctrine gets interesting.
Speaker AThey argue candidates don't need a show they'll definitely lose an election, just that their chances might be harmed.
Speaker AThey rely heavily on cases like Davis vs. FEC where this court had no difficulty recognizing that Davis could sue because the challenge provision produced fundraising advantages for his opponent in the competitive context of electoral politics.
Speaker ASo competitive harm can be enough.
Speaker AAnd they try to show substantial risk by pointing to voting patterns.
Speaker AThey argue that Democrats were far more likely to utilize mail ballots in previous elections, but both nationally and in Illinois, so late arriving ballots are likely to benefit Bost's opponents.
Speaker BTheir third argument is about concrete pocketbook injury.
Speaker BThey say Illinois's law forces Congressman Bost to keep his campaign running for two more weeks than he otherwise would, which costs his time, money, volunteers and other resources.
Speaker BThis includes two specific types of costs.
Speaker BFirst, deploying campaign resources to monitor late arriving ballots and the officials who count them.
Speaker BAnd second, extending get out the vote efforts because voters can effectively cast ballots later by mailing them on election Day.
Speaker BNow let's look at how Illinois responds because they take a very different approach to Article 3 standing.
Speaker BTheir first argument directly attacks petitioners blanket candidate standing rule as antithetical to the separation of powers.
Speaker AIllinois emphasizes that this court has repeatedly rejected efforts to soften or eliminate the standing requirements for certain categories of plaintiffs and has refused to relax standing rules for members of particular professions.
Speaker AThey're saying candidates shouldn't get special treatment.
Speaker BAnd they make this really important point about generalized grievances.
Speaker BThey argue that petitioners interest in having lawful elections is just a classic generalized grievance insufficient to confer standing because ensuring that elections comply with the law is something every citizen cares about, not something particular to candidates.
Speaker AIllinois's second argument goes right at the heart of whether Boss suffered electoral harm.
Speaker AAnd here's the fascinating part.
Speaker AThey argue that Boss did no such thing because he repeatedly disclaimed any need to show a risk of losing the the election or other interference with his practical electoral prospects.
Speaker BWait, so you're telling me that during the litigation below, Bost's lawyers actually told the 7th Circuit that their standing argument wasn't based on risk of electoral defeat?
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker AIllinois points out that petitioners told the Court of Appeals that Bost's stated injury is not based on a risk of losing the election and did not depend on Bost's practical electoral prospects, so they arguably waived that theory.
Speaker BIllinois also attacks the legal theory behind vote margin injuries.
Speaker BThey argue that the possibility that an election rule will reduce the final vote margin by even one vote and without any concrete injury to the plaintiff is not an adequate basis for standing, and they support this with historical practice.
Speaker BThey point to early cases holding that a party seeking an election recount was required to plead facts that, taken as true would render it the duty of the Court either to entirely vacate the election or to declare that another person was duly elected.
Speaker BIn other words, historically, you needed to show the rule could change the winner, not just the margin.
Speaker AIllinois's third argument tackles the pocketbook injury claim, and they rely heavily on the Supreme Court's decision in Clapper vs. Amnesty International.
Speaker AThey argue that plaintiffs cannot manufacture standing by choosing to make expenditures based on hypothetical future harm.
Speaker AThe Clapper doctrine says that when you spend money to mitigate a risk, those expenditures only create standing if the underlying risk is substantial and the harm you're trying to avoid would itself be cognizable under Article 3.
Speaker AIllinois says that's not the case here.
Speaker BIllinois also makes a factual challenge to Bost's claims.
Speaker BThey argue that Illinois law requires mail in ballots to be sent on or before Election Day, so it would be a legal impossibility for Bost to chase ballots, that is to encourage voters to mail them after Election Day.
Speaker AAnd they point out that Illinois already has extensive safeguards for mail in voting, including requiring bipartisan panels of election judges to preside over every ballot challenge, whether or not candidates choose to observe the count.
Speaker ASo the monitoring might not even be necessary.
Speaker BLooking ahead to oral arguments, there are several key tensions I'll be watching for.
Speaker BFirst, how do the Justices react to petitioners blanket candidate standing rule?
Speaker BDo they see it as a common sense recognition of candidates obvious interests or as an unprincipled carve out from Article 3 requirements?
Speaker AI'm particularly interested in how the Justices handle the Clapper issue.
Speaker AJustice Thomas and Justice Gorsuch have sometimes been skeptical of overly restrictive applications of standing doctrine, so they might be sympathetic to candidates who have to spend money responding to government rules.
Speaker BBut I could also see Justice Kavanaugh or Justice Barrett asking hard questions about where this principle stops.
Speaker BIf candidates always have standing to challenge election rules, what prevents a flood of ideological litigation by minor party candidates with no realistic chance of winning, and the factual record here is really thin.
Speaker BBost's declaration is full of ifs and mays rather than concrete allegations.
Speaker BI suspect the justices will press both sides on whether this is the right vehicle for resolving these broader standing questions.
Speaker AThere's also this interesting question about timing.
Speaker AIllinois argues that applying ordinary standing rules will won't push election litigation past election day.
Speaker AWhile petitioners warn about the chaos of post election challenges.
Speaker AThat practical debate could influence the justice's thinking.
Speaker BSo why does this case matter beyond just Congressmen Bost and Illinois?
Speaker BWell, the implications are potentially enormous for how election law disputes get resolved in federal court.
Speaker BIf the court adopts petitioner's broad candidate standing rule, we could see a significant increase in pre election litigation.
Speaker BEvery candidate who disagrees with an election rule, from ballot access requirements to voting machine standards to mail in ballot deadlines, could potentially have an automatic ticket to federal court.
Speaker BOn one hand, that might promote more orderly resolution of election disputes well before election day, which is generally better for election administration.
Speaker BCourts have more time to consider complex issues, and there's less risk of last minute changes that confuse voters or administrators.
Speaker ABut on the other hand, it could turn federal courts into forums for airing every policy disagreement about election rules.
Speaker AAs Illinois points out, many elections include candidates who have no realistic chance of winning but who seek to advocate certain issues or disrupt the status quo.
Speaker AShould they all have standing to challenge election laws?
Speaker AThe broader constitutional principle at stake here is the role of Article 3's case or controversy requirement.
Speaker AThe standing doctrine exists to ensure that federal courts only hear disputes where the parties have a real stake in the outcome, not just ideological objections to government policy.
Speaker BBut election law presents unique challenges for traditional standing doctrine.
Speaker BElections are inherently competitive, and rules that help one candidate necessarily disadvantage others.
Speaker BPlus, the window for challenging election rules is often narrow.
Speaker BWait too long and courts invoke the Purcell principle to avoid last minute changes.
Speaker BThis case also touches on broader questions about federalism and election administration.
Speaker BStates have traditionally had broad authority over the mechanics of elections, but federal courts are increasingly being asked to referee disputes over state election rules.
Speaker AAnd there's this underlying question about whether our legal system is equipped to handle the volume and intensity of modern election litigation.
Speaker AWe've seen an explosion of these cases in recent years, and the court's decision here could either accelerate or constrain that trend.
Speaker BLooking ahead, we expect oral arguments sometime this fall, with a decision likely by June 2026.
Speaker BWhatever the court decides will shape election law litigation for years to come.
Speaker BWe'll definitely be covering the oral arguments when they happen, so make sure you're subscribed.
Speaker BThis is exactly the kind of case where the Justices questions during arguments can give us crucial insights into how they're thinking about these issues.
Speaker AThanks for joining us for this deep dive into Bost vs. Illinois State Board of Elections.
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