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Kevin Lowe: They say wisdom comes with age, but if that's the case, then how do you explain

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Kevin Lowe: today's guest, James Bracken?

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Kevin Lowe: He's in his early 20s, and yet he has more wisdom to share inside of the next

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Kevin Lowe: 30 minutes than you could ever imagine.

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Kevin Lowe: I'm talking about immense wisdom in overcoming loss, in choosing your own path,

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Kevin Lowe: even if it seems uncertain at first.

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Kevin Lowe: And maybe most importantly, the importance of you being willing to bet on yourself.

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Kevin Lowe: If you could use a motivational boost wrapped up in a heartwarming story,

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Kevin Lowe: all brought to us by a young man who's experienced all the pains of life.

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Kevin Lowe: And yet standing here today, encouraging you to never give up,

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Kevin Lowe: to never stop trying, to never stop pursuing your dreams.

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Kevin Lowe: Then my friend, this is exactly the conversation you need to hear.

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Kevin Lowe: I want to remind you, if he can do it, you can too.

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Kevin Lowe: I welcome you to episode 370.

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Kevin Lowe: Hey, I'm your host, Kevin Lowe, and you are listening to Grit,

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Kevin Lowe: Grace, and Inspiration.

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Kevin Lowe: What is up? This is Kevin Lowe back again in the studio with another amazing guest.

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Kevin Lowe: This time, it just so happens to be a guy named James Bracken.

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Kevin Lowe: James, welcome to the studio.

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James Brackin: It is so great to be with you, man. Thank you for having me.

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Kevin Lowe: Absolutely. Well, well, James, I'm excited for us to get to explore your story.

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Kevin Lowe: And I guess I always love to kind of start us off. And I figure the question

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Kevin Lowe: I want to start off today with is,

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Kevin Lowe: You know, I feel like in life, like when we achieve things, but we're either

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Kevin Lowe: driven by one of two things.

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Kevin Lowe: It's either the dreams that we have, the desires, or maybe it's the fears,

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Kevin Lowe: anxieties that we're running away from.

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Kevin Lowe: What do you feel like has been that that driving force for you?

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James Brackin: Yeah, I mean, that's a great question, because I think more than ever this year, that's really changed.

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James Brackin: Honestly, I think for the beginning and I think for a lot of people in the beginning,

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James Brackin: the thing that pushes them is they don't want to be where they are.

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James Brackin: So it's that fear of, I mean, we're going to be driven a lot more from going

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James Brackin: away from something than we are to go towards something. I at least find that for a lot of people.

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James Brackin: So for me, when I first started, it was definitely a fear of staying where I

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James Brackin: was at, going toward what I saw people were at in their lives,

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James Brackin: not enjoying what they were doing, just kind of coasting through life, really.

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James Brackin: And this year, I've got to a point where I feel it's kind of the opposite now.

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James Brackin: It kind of feels like more than ever, I'm just trying to figure out what excites

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James Brackin: me each day. And how can I continuously be excited about life?

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James Brackin: Because I mean, if we're not excited to wake up in the morning,

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James Brackin: what are we doing here? Because this life is so quick, but we kind of live like

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James Brackin: we're not going to die sometimes.

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Kevin Lowe: Yes, exactly. No, I agree. And it's if you're like me, too, it can be so easy

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Kevin Lowe: if you're not intentional to

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Kevin Lowe: fall in that trap of just monotony with one week blending into the next.

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James Brackin: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, especially when you work for yourself,

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James Brackin: it's kind of like, oh, now I make my own hours.

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James Brackin: And I think for a lot of people, they think that they want to be self-employed,

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James Brackin: but what they really want is just like choice.

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James Brackin: I don't think they really want to be self-employed. They just want choice to

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James Brackin: be able to do what they get to do with their day.

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James Brackin: And if that means working under somebody else, but still having,

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James Brackin: you know, the clarity of what they get to do with their day and kind of deciding

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James Brackin: what they get to do, I think a lot of people would be just in a much happier position.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, absolutely. I agree 100%. Well, James, I would love to explore a little

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Kevin Lowe: bit more of your story to kind of how you got to this point in your life. And.

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Kevin Lowe: Would you mind talking with me about, because I know that I read that you actually

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Kevin Lowe: had three losses in your family at a young age.

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Kevin Lowe: Would you talk to me a little bit about that?

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James Brackin: Yeah, absolutely. So my father, my uncle both passed at 37.

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James Brackin: And I honestly did not realize how young that was until, you know,

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James Brackin: I got a little bit older and started really just realizing how young that was.

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James Brackin: I mean, I really couldn't comprehend it.

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James Brackin: Then my grandfather passed away a few months before his retirement.

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James Brackin: And that was what really hit me because I was a little bit older at that point.

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James Brackin: And I see my father, my uncle both passed away.

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James Brackin: All three were unexpected, by the way. So we weren't expecting any of this to

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James Brackin: happen. It wasn't something that had happened and we were like, yeah, this makes sense.

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James Brackin: It was just more so life kind of feeling like, why is this happening to me?

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James Brackin: It's what it felt like for a long time.

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James Brackin: And then I kind of started asking the question, how is this happening for me instead of against me?

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James Brackin: And my life really started to change because those things that were once the

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James Brackin: thing that felt like life was pushing me down, they were the exact things that

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James Brackin: kind of helped me move forward in my life.

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James Brackin: So yeah, three of the most important men passed away really young in my life.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah. How old were you when that happened?

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James Brackin: My father, I was six. I think my uncle, I was around 10 or so.

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James Brackin: And then my grandfather, I was probably 12, 13, something like that.

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James Brackin: So I was still young for all of them.

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James Brackin: I mean, I know when my father passed away, I don't even think,

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James Brackin: like, I couldn't tell you what his voice sounded like. I've never really,

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James Brackin: I don't feel like I've ever really met the man, to be honest.

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Kevin Lowe: Wow. Wow. Maybe from your perspective now, when you kind of look back,

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Kevin Lowe: because I think when we kind of go through life. It's just, it's our own norm.

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Kevin Lowe: But when you look back on it now, like, can you see how maybe your life was

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Kevin Lowe: impacted by those losses, your childhood?

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James Brackin: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think for me, growing up, I didn't really have a role model, I guess.

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James Brackin: And I think that was a blessing more than anything, because it helped me create

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James Brackin: my own identity, kind of step into figure out what I wanted to do.

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James Brackin: It wasn't having anyone's kind of expectations of what they wanted for me out

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James Brackin: of life. It was more so me just being open minded about what could come of life.

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James Brackin: And I think for me that that was such a blessing. And I didn't see it at the

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James Brackin: time of just stepping into what I wanted to do.

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James Brackin: And now I look back and I think, I mean, becoming a quote unquote life coach

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James Brackin: at 17 years old, starting a podcast at the same time, going down a path that

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James Brackin: I mean, was a complete left turn from what everyone else was doing when I graduated high school.

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James Brackin: I think the thing that really gave me that, that ability to step out of my comfort

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James Brackin: zone and step into things that, you know, felt most in alignment with me was

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James Brackin: not having anyone ahead of me kind of saying, this is what you should do or

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James Brackin: this is what you need to do. And I really look back at that as a blessing.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, absolutely. I love,

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Kevin Lowe: I love and appreciate that mindset tremendously. Now, you just said you became a life coach at 17.

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James Brackin: Yeah.

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Kevin Lowe: Talk to me, where did that even come from? Because that is not the typical thing.

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James Brackin: Yeah, I know. Even now, like I'm 21 now and I feel like I've been,

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James Brackin: I feel like I'm a veteran, but also a beginner at the same time.

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James Brackin: Like I've been at it for so long, yet also so early on in my journey.

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James Brackin: And I think for me, I mean, I was listening to podcasts, reading books,

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James Brackin: stuff like that, just getting into the self-improvement industry.

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James Brackin: And I was listening to a podcast. At the end of it, they were talking about

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James Brackin: a coaching program. I had no

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James Brackin: idea what that was. Didn't even know what a coach was. I just knew that.

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James Brackin: Kind of felt really right. Like the way that they were explaining it,

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James Brackin: what they were talking about, the past few years of like my transformation,

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James Brackin: I really been able to, you know, transform myself with no external help outside

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James Brackin: of, you know, books, audiobooks, stuff like that.

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James Brackin: I thought, well, what could really happen if I stepped into hiring my own coach?

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James Brackin: Like having someone outside of me that's ahead of me, that's,

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James Brackin: you know, in a place that I want to go.

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James Brackin: What would life look like if I could step into that? And so I invested more

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James Brackin: money than I had in my bank account.

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James Brackin: I mean, like I had about probably $3,000 in my bank account at the time.

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James Brackin: And the coaching program was about $75,000, $8,000.

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James Brackin: So didn't know how I was going to make it happen, but I put the down payment

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James Brackin: on it. And man, my life really changed from that moment because when you pay, you pay attention.

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James Brackin: And I realized the value of just investing in yourself. I really can't emphasize it enough.

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James Brackin: And I became a coach from that point on. I mean, I took a couple of weeks of that.

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James Brackin: I think it was a 10 week course of really just to learn how to become a coach,

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James Brackin: how to help people get out of their own way and what coaching really is at the core of it.

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James Brackin: Because a lot of people think it's just giving advice when I'm a 17 year old,

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James Brackin: what advice do I have to give?

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James Brackin: Because I barely lived a life is what a lot of people would see.

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James Brackin: And the thing that I really came down to when my first mentor really taught

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James Brackin: me was that I don't have to.

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James Brackin: The answers, I just have to have the questions. And I think that that's where

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James Brackin: through the podcast and through coaching, I've really been able to excel is

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James Brackin: just kind of help people access a part of themselves through just asking really

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James Brackin: intentional questions.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you think about it, it's kind of like,

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Kevin Lowe: if we want to do sports analogy, I mean, the best coaches, they've never even played football.

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Kevin Lowe: You know, I mean, yeah. Now, so when that happened at 17, were you still in high school?

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James Brackin: I just about graduated high school. And that was the funny part was I just graduated high school.

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James Brackin: I was getting into real estate thinking that that was going to be the thing for me.

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James Brackin: And then I realized in getting into real estate that I hated doing that.

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James Brackin: And I didn't, that was not going to be the path for me.

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James Brackin: And so it was like this, I was at home and I didn't have anyone,

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James Brackin: all the judgment that I was fearful of and wouldn't allow myself to step forward.

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James Brackin: It was kind of like that moment in time where I realized, Hey,

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James Brackin: this is like the perfect time because I'm not in school and all the people can

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James Brackin: judge me, but I'm at least not going to be around them.

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James Brackin: And it's just going to be kind of me in this, I guess, like monk mode,

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James Brackin: that idea of just for a long time, right after high school.

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James Brackin: I mean, that's all I did for six years or six months to a year straight was

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James Brackin: just intentionally figure out how I can make this thing happen.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, absolutely. Now, while you were in school, so say, you know,

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Kevin Lowe: teenage years going into high school and stuff, did you ever have any ideas

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Kevin Lowe: at that point, like what you thought you would want to do as a career?

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James Brackin: You know, what's funny is when I was growing up, like a really,

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James Brackin: really young age, my mom and my sister told me that I told them that I wanted

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James Brackin: to be a motivational speaker.

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James Brackin: Now, I don't remember ever saying that. I don't remember ever that being a thing that I wanted to do.

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James Brackin: But to step into podcasting and coaching and definitely speaking might be a

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James Brackin: thing in the future, but right now it just doesn't really excite me.

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James Brackin: I'm still in that pathway. And it's funny that I ended up where I'm at right

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James Brackin: now because I could have never predicted it. Because no, I mean,

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James Brackin: when I was in high school, I just knew I didn't want to struggle.

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James Brackin: I didn't want to think about money.

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James Brackin: And I wasn't really thinking about making an impact. And then when I graduated

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James Brackin: high school, that was the only thing I really thought about because I,

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James Brackin: a coach told me, and this has stuck with me ever since, is that you do a disservice

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James Brackin: by not bringing your unique gifts into the world.

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James Brackin: I think everyone has something here on this earth and we're here for a reason,

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James Brackin: but most of us aren't able to access that reason or most of us aren't able to believe in that.

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James Brackin: And so having someone believe in me more than I believe in myself really helped

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James Brackin: me access that for myself so

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James Brackin: that I could, you know, help other people do that for themselves as well.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

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Kevin Lowe: So my next kind of like one of the other last questions in regards to the life

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Kevin Lowe: coaching thing is, how did you even come to that idea of this is the path I want to take?

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James Brackin: It wasn't really. I mean, it wasn't. It's kind of like something like a path

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James Brackin: that chose me more than I chose it, I guess, because I think for for many people,

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James Brackin: opportunities show up in their life.

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James Brackin: Right? So opportunities, synchronicities, things that if you were to really

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James Brackin: look out for them, you'd notice them.

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James Brackin: But I think for a lot of people, we're looking for all the things that reinforce

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James Brackin: where we are rather than where we want to go.

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James Brackin: And so when I was at the end of listening to one of the podcasts I was listening

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James Brackin: to and they were talking about a coaching program, again, I had no idea what

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James Brackin: that is. I have done a sales call.

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James Brackin: They sold me. It just happened really quick. And from there,

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James Brackin: it really changed my life because I put in the work from that point.

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James Brackin: And so it wasn't really something that chose me. I just knew I wanted to start

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James Brackin: a podcast. that definitely always felt in alignment with me.

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James Brackin: I mean, at least from like my later ages, but that always felt in alignment.

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James Brackin: And so I thought, well, if I'm gonna invest into a coaching program to become

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James Brackin: a coach, I'm gonna have to start posting on social media. So I might as well

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James Brackin: start a podcast at the same time.

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James Brackin: And everything kind of just started from there, really, it wasn't really something

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James Brackin: that I chose, but it was more so something that I felt chosen for.

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James Brackin: I mean, I think the distinction I like to use is most people feel pushed in

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James Brackin: their life, pushed towards something, and I felt pulled towards it.

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James Brackin: And so it wasn't really my choice.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, oh man, I love that so very much. Now, I want to ask you something,

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Kevin Lowe: and I mean, I hope you take it the way that I mean it, is the fact that I learned

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Kevin Lowe: in my own life, my own situation, that I kind of came up with this idea that

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Kevin Lowe: things in our life that are bad,

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Kevin Lowe: they're only really bad if we can't figure out how to make good come out of them.

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Kevin Lowe: And I can't help but wonder for you taking this path, getting into coaching

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Kevin Lowe: and then podcasting in this whole realm that you're in.

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Kevin Lowe: Do you feel like you are here and are the person you are because of experiencing

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Kevin Lowe: those three losses as a child?

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James Brackin: I mean, I don't know if it's directly like causation correlation kind of thing.

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James Brackin: I don't know if it's exactly why, but I definitely know that I took that meaning

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James Brackin: from it. I think, I heard something recently and I don't remember,

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James Brackin: it might've been Viktor Frankl, whoever it was, but suffering is only suffering

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James Brackin: if you can't find the meaning in it.

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James Brackin: And so for me, I found the meaning in it. And for so long, I didn't find the

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James Brackin: meaning in it. I mean, it was the exact opposite, really.

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James Brackin: It was, why is life coming after me? Why is life pushing me down?

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James Brackin: Why is this happening to me? Just why, why, why questions.

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James Brackin: And then I started asking how questions. So why is this happening to me versus

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James Brackin: how is this happening for me?

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James Brackin: And so then I just started to look forward in my life. And when you start to

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James Brackin: look forward in your life, you start to see it because it's always there.

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James Brackin: You just, you're not looking for it.

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James Brackin: And so absolutely, I think everyone's pain turns to purpose if they are able

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James Brackin: to turn it into purpose. And I just went out of my way to do so.

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Kevin Lowe: Absolutely. You said that you have a sister, correct?

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James Brackin: Yes.

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Kevin Lowe: Did your sister handle things similar to you or differently?

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James Brackin: It's funny. We kind of went down a similar path, but different approaches.

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James Brackin: So she became a social worker, master's degree, social work,

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James Brackin: went down that approach. And I went down the approach of, you know, coaching, podcasting.

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James Brackin: So we're both trying to help people through our, I guess, the trauma that we went through.

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James Brackin: And so that was the kind of approach that we took was just more so like,

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James Brackin: how can I help people through what I went through, I guess.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, no, I love that so much. So podcasting, we talked about coaching.

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Kevin Lowe: So you said that you had thought about wanting to start a podcast.

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Kevin Lowe: So at what point in this kind of journey did you decide, you know what,

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Kevin Lowe: I don't have enough on my plate, let's add podcasting?

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James Brackin: Yeah, I think it was honestly, man, it was about probably a few days after I made the investment.

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James Brackin: So I think I'm a 17 year old. I have no idea what a coach is.

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James Brackin: I don't know how I'm gonna make this work.

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James Brackin: I just invested more money than I had in my bank account. So I have to figure out a way to do it.

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James Brackin: And so, and I'm still thinking about, you know, I just graduated high school

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James Brackin: not too long ago. So I'm still thinking about what other people are gonna think of me.

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James Brackin: I mean, the biggest fear is where, you know, what are other people going to

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James Brackin: think? What if I fail? What if I look like a, like silly?

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James Brackin: And, you know, all the fears that most people have,

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James Brackin: For me, it was like, okay, if I've already invested, it's up to me.

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James Brackin: Now it's like, now there's no way I can go against this because I put money

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James Brackin: down on it and more money than I had.

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James Brackin: So I literally had to find a way to make money just to pay it back,

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James Brackin: just to even make even on my investment.

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James Brackin: So at that point, I'm thinking, well, if I have to start posting online to attract

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James Brackin: clients and start helping people through that way, might as well start the podcast

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James Brackin: because I've always wanted to do that as well.

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James Brackin: And so it was kind of like an indirectly the exact thing that allowed me to

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James Brackin: just get out of my own way and start showing up for the thing that I know I

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James Brackin: always felt called to do.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, absolutely. Now, did you ever think, was it always just podcast or I mean,

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Kevin Lowe: a lot of people immediately tend to think, you know, oh, YouTube channel.

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Kevin Lowe: Was it always just podcasting?

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James Brackin: I think for me, they go hand in hand, really. I mean, my YouTube channel has

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James Brackin: is where most of my podcast, I guess, listenership comes from.

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James Brackin: But I think, yeah, it was just more so an approach of I'm learning so much from

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James Brackin: these books, from these podcasts, from this kind of stuff. Like over the past

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James Brackin: couple of years, my life has changed dramatically. I feel like I've lived two separate lives.

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James Brackin: And my second life really started when I started realizing that the first life

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James Brackin: I was living wasn't really my life.

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James Brackin: It was more so an attachment to my thoughts or who I thought it was,

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James Brackin: not so much who I actually was.

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James Brackin: And so I thought, what would be the coolest thing in the world if I could read a book?

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James Brackin: I still have a lot of questions about the book and then I can interview the

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James Brackin: author about the book or entrepreneurs that I found really fascinating from

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James Brackin: building massive companies.

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James Brackin: Like what could we learn from them? And so, especially from my perspective,

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James Brackin: I mean, not many people at 17 years old have a podcast, let alone are interviewing people that are,

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James Brackin: in the trauma, anxiety, mindset, personal development kind of space.

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James Brackin: And so that was the approach I took. I just thought it would be the coolest

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James Brackin: thing ever. And to this day, it still is.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, absolutely. 100%. Now, talking about books and reading and stuff,

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Kevin Lowe: when did you really get into reading?

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James Brackin: Yeah, it's funny because I grew up thinking that I would never read a book.

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James Brackin: I mean, I remember my mom, my sister would always tell me like,

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James Brackin: you'll eventually start liking books.

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James Brackin: And I went through my entire schooling life just taking a lot of pride in never

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James Brackin: reading a book, to be completely honest. Like I'd still passed the grade,

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James Brackin: but I didn't read anything kind of perspective on things just because,

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James Brackin: I mean, I think most of the books that I read gave me no value.

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James Brackin: And so when I left high school, like I said, I started listening to podcasts

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James Brackin: and started, you know, surrounding myself with different kinds of people.

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James Brackin: And from there, it was, I don't know, I think it was probably similar books

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James Brackin: that most people come across where it's, you know, Think and Grow Rich and Rich

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James Brackin: Dad, Poor Dad, that kind of stuff that came into my life.

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James Brackin: And then from there on, I just went down a rabbit hole of just wanting to get

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James Brackin: more of a gist on the challenges that I was trying to overcome in my life and

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James Brackin: all of that kind of stuff. So it was around that same time.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah. Okay. Okay. Amazing. So I guess I'm curious to understand a little bit

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Kevin Lowe: is, you know, we talked at the beginning about like kind of what drives you.

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Kevin Lowe: Do you feel like it's still the same thing? Or do you feel like as you're continuing

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Kevin Lowe: to evolve as a person, evolve in your career, what you're doing,

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Kevin Lowe: do you feel like that driving force changes?

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James Brackin: Absolutely. Absolutely. I think when I first started, it came from a place of lack.

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James Brackin: And so trying to get to a place of not having to think about money,

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James Brackin: not having to think about just the basic needs that most people need in their

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James Brackin: life. Like just knowing that I can step into this path, this route and have

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James Brackin: full certainty in myself that I'm going to make it work.

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James Brackin: That was kind of like the fear from the beginning. And that was what was driving me from the jump.

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James Brackin: Nowadays, I think it's just more so continuously trying to find outlets of impacting

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James Brackin: people that excite me because there's a lot of ways of making money.

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James Brackin: There's a lot of ways of building businesses.

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James Brackin: There's a lot of ways of impacting people as well. I mean, there's podcasting,

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James Brackin: there's retreats, there's group coaching, there's one-on-one coaching, there's events.

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James Brackin: There's so many ways and things that we can do.

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James Brackin: And so for me right now, it's just continuously experimenting,

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James Brackin: trying things, having interesting conversations, hopefully impacting people,

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James Brackin: giving people a space to be vulnerable and open and work through the things

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James Brackin: that they need to work through.

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James Brackin: And just finding things that excite me and make me want to get up in the morning.

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James Brackin: Because I think for a lot of people, they get to their work and it's something

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James Brackin: that they want to get done with.

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James Brackin: I mean, the idea of retirement in general never really jibed well with me.

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James Brackin: I never really want to say that I want to get away from work because then I

00:19:16.758 --> 00:19:19.558

James Brackin: would lose my purpose in life. And so I think for me right now,

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James Brackin: it's just really finding ways to continuously be excited about what I do and

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James Brackin: not overcomplicated in the meantime.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, 100%. All the guests that you've interviewed on your podcast,

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Kevin Lowe: obviously the podcast, I mean, we do it for our audience. We want our audience to get value.

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Kevin Lowe: But talk to me a little bit about the value that you've received by interviewing the people you have.

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James Brackin: Absolutely. I'll even go a step further by saying that my first 105 episodes were solo.

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James Brackin: So you see it now and you see, you know, amazing guests, Seth Godin,

00:19:54.738 --> 00:19:59.218

James Brackin: you know, Tyler Henry, so many other amazing people that I've had the opportunity to speak with.

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James Brackin: But my first 105 episodes were in my car, no microphone, like just completely

00:20:03.918 --> 00:20:06.018

James Brackin: doing it with my computer, just kind of like a public journal,

00:20:06.238 --> 00:20:09.458

James Brackin: honestly, just going over things that I was learning, things that I was working

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James Brackin: with clients on, and hopefully giving some kind of just perspective based on my life.

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James Brackin: I mean, I never want to come from a place of I'm giving advice like I know things,

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James Brackin: but more so just from a place of, yeah, I don't know, but hopefully this is

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James Brackin: helpful to you because it was helpful for me.

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James Brackin: And so through the podcast and then through interviews as well,

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James Brackin: I think more than anything, it's just really allowed me to expand my mind.

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James Brackin: I mean, what it's done for me is what I'm trying to do through the podcast of

00:20:33.398 --> 00:20:37.238

James Brackin: you can too is just helping people reframe what they believe is true,

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James Brackin: reframe what they believe is possible for themselves by questioning what they

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James Brackin: believe and expanding their mind on what is possible by showing and sharing

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James Brackin: stories from expansive people that have done it themselves.

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James Brackin: And so continuously doing it week after week of just inspiring stories that

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James Brackin: people have done that have overcome amazing things and done astounding things,

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James Brackin: it continues to remind me that I need to, as soon as I think that I've reached

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James Brackin: a certain place or I've done enough,

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James Brackin: it just continues to expand my mind of what's possible.

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Kevin Lowe: Absolutely. You said that your dad and your uncle, you said were 37 when they

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Kevin Lowe: passed away. You are how old now?

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James Brackin: 21.

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Kevin Lowe: 21. Okay.

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Kevin Lowe: I am 38, and I can tell you, I still feel way too young to be this old.

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Kevin Lowe: But what does that do for you is just a mindset?

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Kevin Lowe: Because, I mean, the fact is true is, I mean, none of us know how long we're here on Earth.

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Kevin Lowe: And I can't help but think that with all that you're doing, and I mean,

00:21:38.313 --> 00:21:42.553

Kevin Lowe: I think I need to just say that listening to you,

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Kevin Lowe: to your mindset, to what you say, you're so much wiser than than your age.

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Kevin Lowe: It's absolutely amazing. And I guess my question is, is does that age of 37,

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Kevin Lowe: does it weigh on you thinking of how short life really is?

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James Brackin: Yeah, it's a big question. I think for a long time it has.

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James Brackin: And I think it's like we all have those things where we have mental blocks or

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James Brackin: perceptions, preconceived notions based on our past experiences.

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James Brackin: I definitely think for a long time, it's, and I still think to some extent of

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James Brackin: when I, when I hit 38, it's going to be cool because it's just going to be this

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James Brackin: like mental breakthrough of, man, I, I passed that milestone kind of thing.

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James Brackin: But I think just like anything else, it's the, the anticipation of it is more

00:22:28.833 --> 00:22:32.793

James Brackin: so the thing that really kind of gets in your head more than the actual event itself.

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James Brackin: So definitely reminds me how short this life is when I think of it,

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James Brackin: but I don't think it holds me back in any way.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, no, absolutely. You know, when you were saying that, I kind of helped

00:22:42.973 --> 00:22:48.933

Kevin Lowe: but think of my own situation story is I remember when it had been the 18-year

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Kevin Lowe: anniversary of when I became blind.

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Kevin Lowe: And I remember that was kind of weird, kind of how you talk about turning 38

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Kevin Lowe: when I hit that 18-year, because that meant I had been blind one more year longer

00:23:01.553 --> 00:23:02.813

Kevin Lowe: than I had been able to see.

00:23:03.093 --> 00:23:06.273

Kevin Lowe: And I remember always thinking that that would be really weird,

00:23:06.553 --> 00:23:10.333

Kevin Lowe: even the 17, to think that I had been blind as long as I had been able to see. Yeah.

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Kevin Lowe: You know, it's always kind of funny is exactly what you said.

00:23:13.425 --> 00:23:18.525

Kevin Lowe: It's the anticipation for something is a lot of times the best part of it all.

00:23:18.705 --> 00:23:21.965

Kevin Lowe: Because once you reach it, you realize, well, yeah, it's just like any other day.

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James Brackin: I had a conversation with a guy named Daniel Lieberman earlier this year.

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James Brackin: Incredible, incredible author. He wrote the book. I'm blanking on the name of

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James Brackin: the book right now, but incredible guest.

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James Brackin: I would definitely recommend. And he was talking about how, I mean,

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James Brackin: dopamine in itself, like the anticipation of things is more than the actual event.

00:23:43.005 --> 00:23:46.845

James Brackin: We get dopamine from the anticipation, not so much of the actual thing itself.

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James Brackin: Great example that I like to use and something I experienced this year.

00:23:49.905 --> 00:23:52.225

James Brackin: The number one place in my bucket list was Hawaii.

00:23:52.625 --> 00:23:55.325

James Brackin: And this year I got to spend four months on the island of Kauai,

00:23:55.445 --> 00:24:00.525

James Brackin: which was a dream of mine. I always grew up watching Hawaii Five-0, the second version.

00:24:00.765 --> 00:24:04.325

James Brackin: And it was always a dream of mine to go there. and then I spent four months on the island.

00:24:04.605 --> 00:24:07.725

James Brackin: And to say it was a dream is an understatement. It's still, still is amazing

00:24:07.725 --> 00:24:08.845

James Brackin: that I had the privilege to go there.

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James Brackin: But, you know, after two months, after three months, you kind of get,

00:24:11.305 --> 00:24:15.645

James Brackin: it's just normal at that point. And so just like anything, the hedonic adaptation is going to come in.

00:24:15.905 --> 00:24:19.445

James Brackin: And so that's why I never like to put too much emphasis on something in the

00:24:19.445 --> 00:24:22.685

James Brackin: future because it's never going to live up to my expectations because the expectations

00:24:22.685 --> 00:24:25.585

James Brackin: is what makes the feeling more than anything.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, no, I agree 100%. I love that. Do you have anything for somebody listening

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Kevin Lowe: today who, whether they're young or young at heart, and they feel like there's more for them,

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Kevin Lowe: would you have any advice for them?

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Kevin Lowe: I mean, because, again, I mean, you're a young guy, and I look at what you've

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Kevin Lowe: done. And you went against the quote unquote norm of, you know, after high school.

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Kevin Lowe: And I can't help but find just great inspiration in that and wonder,

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Kevin Lowe: you know, what would you say to that person who's thinking, wow,

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Kevin Lowe: I kind of wish I could be a little bit more like James Bracken.

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James Brackin: Yeah, I mean, I would look at the name of my podcast, right?

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James Brackin: I mean, it's the whole core of

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James Brackin: what I do is I'm trying to be a living representation of what I'm saying.

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James Brackin: And through the conversations that I have, through the life that I'm trying

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James Brackin: to live, I mean, I think it's the same thing goes.

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James Brackin: And so if I would say that if that feeling is inside of you,

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James Brackin: that there's more here, that there's more for me to do, I would say that your

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James Brackin: intuition isn't lying to you, you're just lying to yourself.

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James Brackin: That you've been lying to yourself for so long, saying, you know,

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James Brackin: kind of living in alignment with what you don't want more so than what you do want.

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James Brackin: So if you keep pushing down that intuition, the choir that intuition is going

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James Brackin: to get and the less that you listen to it and the less that it'll show up in

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James Brackin: your life. And so I would just say, say yes to the things that your intuition

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James Brackin: is saying yes to, because you'll start saying yes to yourself and life will start saying yes to you.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, I love it. One hundred percent, man. Dude, James, you're such an awesome

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Kevin Lowe: guy, man. Such a killer story.

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Kevin Lowe: Honest to goodness. I mean, you as a child, let's face it.

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Kevin Lowe: I mean, you went through the unthinkable. Even though you were young,

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Kevin Lowe: it obviously has an impact. and the fact of where you are today, what you're doing,

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Kevin Lowe: And just the person that you've become, I mean, I have to say,

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Kevin Lowe: I mean, anybody listening has to feel just honored to meet you and proud of

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Kevin Lowe: what you've been able to do.

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Kevin Lowe: Of overcoming the challenges, overcoming these bad circumstances,

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Kevin Lowe: to be here today, just kind of blowing all of our minds with the amount of wisdom

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Kevin Lowe: you have to share. It's really amazing.

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James Brackin: Man, you're doing the exact same thing just through a different lens,

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James Brackin: right? I mean, so I really appreciate that immensely.

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James Brackin: You probably experience this sometimes too, where you forget the impact that

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James Brackin: you're having because you're just trying to do the best that you can.

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James Brackin: And so there's a lot of times where I completely forget that anyone listens

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James Brackin: to my podcast or anyone that I've ever coached ever got value from working with me.

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James Brackin: I mean, it's really easy to forget how far you've come when you're looking at

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James Brackin: about how far you want to go.

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James Brackin: And so I really appreciate that. It means a lot. But I mean,

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James Brackin: I almost died when I was born. So to even be here to begin with is just a blessing.

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Kevin Lowe: Yeah. Wow. Just another layer to this onion that we've been unpeeling, man.

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Kevin Lowe: Well, James, tell me where's the best place, easiest place to find your podcast,

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Kevin Lowe: plus anybody who either wants to see about working with you as a coach or just

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Kevin Lowe: getting plugged into your world.

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James Brackin: Yeah, absolutely. Main points is Instagram and YouTube is where I'm most present.

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James Brackin: You can find my podcast, You Can Too, on Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

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James Brackin: Instagram, everything that you can think of.

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James Brackin: But those are the main platforms that I'm on. I'm on LinkedIn and everything

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James Brackin: else as well. But those are where I'm most at.

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Kevin Lowe: Well, fantastic. Well, I'll be sure that all of that is in the show notes and

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Kevin Lowe: it will be on the webpage for today's episode.

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Kevin Lowe: James, man, dude, it's been a pleasure to meet you, a pleasure to get to hear

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Kevin Lowe: your story. And I thank you for spending a few minutes with me today.

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James Brackin: You are incredible, man. Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me.

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James Brackin: You have such an incredible story. You're such an amazing host.

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James Brackin: You have the perfect voice for it.

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James Brackin: I thank you for taking the time to speak with me and give me this privilege

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James Brackin: to speak with you and talk to your audience.

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Kevin Lowe: Oh, man, you bet 100%, dude. For you listening today, hopefully you're smiling as big as I am.

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Kevin Lowe: Hopefully you're also feeling a little jacked up right now because I feel like

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Kevin Lowe: we just got a shot of a little James Brackett in our life, something that maybe

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Kevin Lowe: you didn't even realize you needed.

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Kevin Lowe: And now you realize you can't live without. So go ahead, enjoy today's episode.

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Kevin Lowe: Well, hopefully you did enjoy today's episode. Share it with a friend.

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Kevin Lowe: And hey, maybe you need to hear it all again.

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Kevin Lowe: Hit rewind. If that's a thing in podcasting, rewind and listen again.

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Kevin Lowe: This guy is amazing. You get out there and enjoy the day. Stay awesome. Be inspired.

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