We are not sure if

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Muhammad will go to heaven or not.

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So who is going to judge

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the living and the dead?

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Jesus Christ is coming back to judge and

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the living and the dead.

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I believe Jesus will judge Muhammad.

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So Muslims, think carefully, choose

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carefully who you're gonna follow.

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You're gonna follow

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the one who was a sinner?

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Or you're gonna follow the one who was

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without saying Jesus

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Christ and he's God is going back

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to judge the living and the dead.

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And he's going to judge Muhammad.

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John, welcome to the podcast.

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You used to be a Muslim and you have

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quite the story of how

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you came to Christ and all

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of those things that'd

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be a separate episode.

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People can check that

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out on this podcast.

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But now you're full time in ministry.

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You're a missionary now.

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And we want to talk about

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in this episode about Islam.

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Like what is Islam?

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What do Muslims believe?

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How can we as Christians interact well

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with Muslims and

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hopefully bring them to Christ

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is something you talk about quite a lot.

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So give us a little bit of

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background of your story.

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Again, we have a whole

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episode on your story.

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So you don't need to go into detail, but

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tell us a little bit

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about yourself as we get into

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the topic.

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So my name is John Ghanim.

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I was born and raised in Yemen into a

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devoted Muslim family.

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My family taught me Islam.

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I grew up like I saw

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everyone around me was a Muslim.

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I was married when I was

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2012, when I was 18 years old.

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I went to the UNI.

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I started business administration.

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I started to doubt about Islam.

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I get the opportunity to go to Mecca

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Saudi Arabia, the most

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holy place of Islam and the

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capital that we call

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it the capital of Islam.

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And there while I was facing Mecca, which

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they call it the House of Allah.

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I give up Islam in front

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of Kaaba, in front of Mecca.

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And from there I was agnostic or in a

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gray area for three years.

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Then after that I become

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Christian in Greece end of 2017.

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And as you said, now I devoted my life to

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be a full-time

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missionary, full-time speaker,

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media evangelist.

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So when we think of Islam, it's the

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fastest growing religion in the world.

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And there is a lot to

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Islam and what Muslims believe.

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If you could get to the core,

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what is at the core of Islam? What

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are Muslims striving for?

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So basically if you look back to Islam

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from the very beginning,

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how Islam started, started

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by the founder of Islam, Muhammad.

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They called him the Prophet Muhammad.

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And he was in Mecca for a few years.

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He started to spread Islam.

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Nobody accepted him.

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He went to Al Medina, Al Munawara.

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It's in Saudi Arabia.

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And they accepted him.

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Then after that, after they

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accepted him, he started an army.

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When he started an army force, so he went

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back to Mecca,

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his city where he was born.

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And then after that, at that time, they

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used to worship

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idols, more than 300 idols.

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And he destroyed all

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the idols with his army.

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And they called him, okay, we need now to

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worship Allah, which the God in Islam.

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And the house of Allah in Mecca, which

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they call it the center of Islam.

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started to build his army.

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He started to send his army

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to Yemen, to other countries.

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So that's how Islam spread by war.

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And basically now how Islam's spreading,

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Muslims, they are allowed

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to get four wives and a lot

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of kids.

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But I think most, I would

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say Islam is growing by birth.

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Not as much by conversion then.

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I don't think so by conversion.

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I think by birth.

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So you mentioned Muhammad.

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Can you tell me more about him?

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That's the critical figure in Islam, if I

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understand correctly.

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But yeah, is there more you

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can tell us about Muhammad?

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In Islam, Muhammad, they believe,

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Muslims, they believe he's

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the last messenger of Allah.

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He's the final messenger.

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And Allah spoke to him through Gabriel

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and revealed to him Quran in Arabic.

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And they created this Quran, the Holy

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Quran, which in Islam

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they consider Quran is the

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holy book, the holy

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revealed from Allah in Arabic.

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And Muslims, they

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consider this is the Holy Quran.

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Even they treat it, they

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treat Quran in holy way.

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So they need, most of Muslims, like in my

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country, they, if you

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are holy, you can touch

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the Quran, the book of Quran.

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They put it in a very high place.

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When they touch it, they need to do the

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rituals before- they clean

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their body, their parts.

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Then after that, they need to be ready to-

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physically- to touch it.

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Because they call it holy.

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But you said they would believe that

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Allah gave it to Muhammad.

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But in Arabic, is there something

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critical about it being in Arabic?

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Yeah, they believe it's only in Arabic.

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It's revealed in Arabic language, which I

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believe if you go back to the, there is a

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lot of people, you know, dig about this

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and find there is a lot

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of copies, different copies

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and how Arabic developed.

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And if you want to discover more about

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this, there is someone,

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his name is Jay Smith or

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David Ward or Hatun Tash.

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Actually, she's a

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Turkish ex-Muslim in the UK.

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She got to Speaker's corner and she

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discovered more than 30 copies.

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And every copy has a difference.

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There is so many difference.

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So, but in their mind, they believe it's

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only revealed from Allah.

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It wasn't written by man.

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It was revealed directly

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from Allah through Gabriel.

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Not written by, not man's words.

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This is direct word for word.

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Yeah, Allah's book through Gabriel to

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Muhammad, and Muhammed say it, tell it

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to people and people, you

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know, they wrote it.

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Yeah.

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But yet, so the Quran is very much

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revered as their holy book.

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Like if you could compare it to the

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Bible, is there similarities?

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Is there differences?

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Okay, so one of the things you will hear

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is, oh, Islam is not that

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different from Christianity.

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It's, you know, all

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religions lead to God.

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It's really not a big deal.

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That's we can all,

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they're basically the same.

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How would you respond to that?

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So basically, if you compare the Quran to

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the Bible, the Bible

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came after, the Bible

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came before Quran.

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And the Bible, we have the Old Testament

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and the New Testament,

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and we know we have evidence

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how they put it all together.

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And we believe Yahweh spoke through

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people and people wrote the Bible.

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We understand from Genesis to Revelation.

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It's very in order, you know, a love

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story for humankind, a love story.

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But when you go to the Quran, the Quran

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is, I think it's a mixed.

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It's un-ordered.

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It's when you read, you start to read

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from Quran and you can

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see, because you will find,

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you know, Abraham, Noah, like most of the

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people in the Old

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Testament, you will find

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them in Quran, but it's disorganized.

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Interesting.

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So it's not like a story then?

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No, it's different.

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There is a story, but in different way.

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Like for me, when I was a Muslim, I used

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to love the story of Joseph.

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That was my favorite

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story before I sleep.

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I listen to the, every day I listen to

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the story of Joseph.

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It's like similar to the, to the, to the,

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to the, the, the biblical story.

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But most of the stories in the, in the,

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in the Quran is a bit

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different because they,

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I believe like now I am ex-Muslim.

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The Quran wasn't from God.

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It was only written by Muhammad and his

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friends behind the scene.

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How they can go and search in Hadith and

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in the Islamic

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history, how Waraqah ibn Nawfal

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helped Muhammad behind the scene, because

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WWaraqah ibn Nawfall, he

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was, he was not Muslim,

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but he spoke Greek,

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Hebrew and other languages.

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And he was a cousin to the wife, the

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first wife of Muhammad, Khadija.

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Khadija, she was a business woman.

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And when Muhammad started to receive the

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revelation, which I believe

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it's, it's not a revelation,

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he was maybe sick or something.

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And he used to go to his wife Khadija.

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And Khadija, he used to like,

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put his head on his foot.

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And this revelation will disappear

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because he start to

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shake, you know, maybe it's a

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demon possess or something like that.

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and he will help you with this problem.

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So we believed he, this, he want to

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Waraqah ibn Nawfal and

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Waraqah ibn Nawfal, he saw, wow,

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we can use this because

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he will be a great leader.

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He will be a great leader.

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believe this is how Islam started.

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They will not say this.

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They believe that Allah said Allah, through

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Gabriel, but this is I

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think the real story behind

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the scene.

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But you saying those things, you know,

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for any Muslims

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listening, that would probably

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be really offensive.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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You know, to say that of the Quran, to

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say it's not not

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actually from God, you know, or

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to say those things against the prophet.

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You want to say anything about that?

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Oh, I would say if you really want to

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read, to really follow

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the God, the one God, we

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will go to the Torah.

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We will go back to the Torah, which

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before Islam, before

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Muhammad, before Quran and start

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to read from there and start to

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understand who is God,

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who's Yahweh and how he revealed

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himself to Moses and to all the people in

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the Old Testament and

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how he came to us through

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the New Testament, the New Covenant.

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But yes, like Muslims,

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unfortunately they are stuck in Islam.

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As I said before,

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they are victim of Islam.

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They are brainwashed.

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Because even like sometimes I see other

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Muslims from different

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nations, they don't speak Arabic,

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because you need to

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read Quran in Arabic.

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Yeah.

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So how does that work?

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Because not that many

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people in the world speak Arabic.

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I mean, as far as like the global

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population, it's not that many.

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I'm thinking that many Muslims in India

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say they don't speak Arabic.

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So how do they read the Quran?

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So this is a question to Muslims.

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Like, if Allah only revealed Quran in

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Arabic, how Chinese,

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they will understand Allah?

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How Persian?

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I saw many people from Iran.

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They came to Christ, by

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the way, or they left Islam.

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Not necessarily they became Christians,

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but they left Islam.

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Why you left Islam?

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Because they don't understand Quran,

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because Quran came to

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Arabs, to Arabic people.

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He came in Allah

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revealed Quran in Arabic.

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They will say he's racist.

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Yeah, seriously, I saw many people.

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They say, we can't

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read, we can't understand.

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How are we going to follow him?

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Okay.

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So, yeah, I guess, see, that would be

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very different than how

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Christianity does the Bible,

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because the Bible, we have translations of

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it and you can read it.

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Yes.

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That's no problem, you know.

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But if, wow, I'm just trying to think how

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that would even work.

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But now for you, you're from Yemen.

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So you would have...

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I speak Arabic here.

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You spoke Arabic.

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So you wouldn't have had this challenge.

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I mean, because I was Arabic, I read it

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in the school with my

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parents, in the mosque,

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and it's for Arabs.

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But even though, because it's classic

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Arabic, sometimes it's

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not easy to understand.

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So classic Arabic versus like what you

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would speak in everyday Arabic.

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Those are different?

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Of course, different, yeah.

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And I remember this

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how I describe Quran.

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Quran when you read it in

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Arabic is really confusing.

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You can't understand it.

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Interesting.

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You can't understand.

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Why is that?

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One, because as I told you, you will find a

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little bit of story of

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Abraham in the first chapter,

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the mid chapter, the end of that chapter.

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It's not like in order.

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So you can't get the full picture.

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It's disordered.

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So at its core, so we've hit a couple of

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the core pieces, you

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know, the Quran, you know,

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Muhammad, these different things.

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What about the five pillars of Islam?

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Those would be the other core pieces.

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Yeah, Arkaan al-Islam: Shahada , Muslims,

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they will say the

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testimony of Islam, you know,

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when you become Muslim, when you convert

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people to Islam, they

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will say "there is no God but

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Allah and Muhammad,

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the messenger of Allah."

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That's the testimony or the Shahada , they

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call it the Shahada.

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So that's the first pillar, right?

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The first pillar, yeah.

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The first pillar.

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The second pillar is the Salah, when you

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pray five times a day.

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And when you pray, you have to recite

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Quran in your heart in Arabic.

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And that's hard for the English speaking

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or for the Chinese or for the Indians.

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And the third is the Sawm,

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you know, Sawm is you fast, fasting.

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And Zakat, you give a charity.

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Muslims, they believe in charity.

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Is that like a tithe or a...

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Yeah, the kind of charity.

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What I would say they gave because they

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want to earn their salvation.

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The more they give, they feel Allah will

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write it as a good deeds.

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So it's a big thing in Islam, charity.

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And to visit the most holy place of

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Islam, which [Arabic]

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where I give up

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Islam, which gave me a lot of problems.

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Now lots of Muslims and Imams doing

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videos against me and

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some of them they will say,

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"Oh, he's not [Arabic]

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It's a photoshop."

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Yeah, some people

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they say it's photoshop.

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That you never went on the

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pilgrimage, you're saying.

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Yes, I've been there.

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But they think it's fake.

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It's fake because it's a threat.

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Because I'm going to share.

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You can share my picture as well.

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So, oh yeah, absolutely.

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Send me the picture. We'll put it in the video.

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So that's the last pillar of Islam, is

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the pilgrimage to Mecca.

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Tell me a bit more about that.

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So you did the pilgrimage to Mecca and

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you were also in Medina,

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if I understand right?

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Yeah, Medina is the grave of Muhammad,

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where they buried Muhammad

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and some of his companions.

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So tell me why Mecca and

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Medina are so important.

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And then also tell me a little more of

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what happened for you

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when you did that pilgrimage

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as well.

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So Mecca is the Muslims, they will

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consider, Mecca is

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the center of the earth.

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And they would call it the capital of

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Islam, which every

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Muslim, at least they dream to

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go at least once in their lifetime to

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visit the most holy place.

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They believed it was built by Abraham.

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But I think there is no

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historic evidence for that.

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This is a really deep subject.

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I would invite the audience to go to

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listen to Jay Smith.

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He did a lot of research on this.

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I was going to say, yeah, I know Jay and

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some of his work on the

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history of this really

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fascinating.

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It's pretty deep, you know?

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But yeah, which we need to make sure he

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link that because I'm

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guessing people have a lot

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of questions about that.

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And want to, okay,

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tell me more, you know.

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Okay, so that's Mecca.

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What about Medina then?

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Because you visited there as well.

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Yeah, Medina, where Muhammad was accepted

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when he, because he preached, I think, 13

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years he preached Islam in Mecca, but

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nobody accepted him at the beginning.

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Really?

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Yeah, they called him crazy.

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They called him crazy.

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Nobody accepted him.

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Then he traveled all the way to Medina.

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I think there is five hours by car

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between Mecca and Medina.

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And in Medina, he was accepted, started

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his army, went back to Mecca.

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And in Mecca, people surrender to him

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because he came by force, by sword.

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This was Christ, he came by love.

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Muhammad came by law, by sword.

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And so in Medina, you said

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that's where he's buried then?

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That's the grave.

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You know, they collect, there is a mosque

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and many Muslims, when

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they visit Mecca, they

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need to go as well to visit

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the grave of Muhammad in Medina.

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It's follow up with that.

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So he traveled all the way.

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I think now they have a trains maybe.

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So he traveled all the way to Medina.

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He visited the grave of

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Muhammad in the mosque.

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And so he collected the [Arabic]

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So you did the pilgrimage, which is,

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again, one of the five

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main pillars of Islam.

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So this is important.

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This is a big deal.

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And yet what happened to

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you on that pilgrimage?

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Because if I remember, this is where you

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mentioned, I mean, you

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start having some doubts.

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Right. So tell us about that.

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So I was I was really excited when I went

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to Mecca, but I was I was,

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you know, seeking answers.

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I wanted to have a spiritual relation

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with the creator, Allah.

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If Allah the creator, I wanted to have a

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relationship with him.

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But nothing happened.

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So in front of Kaaba, I give up Islam.

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Boom. Wow.

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That was crazy.

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That's probably not what you expected

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when you did the pilgrimage.

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Of course. Yeah.

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It wasn't even in my mind.

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Wow. So that was like an adventure.

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But I'm really pleased it happened

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because now I am free and I

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can share, encourage people

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as well to to dare as well to do that

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because everybody has the right to

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freedom and everybody

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has right to believe as well.

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In my country, there is no human rights.

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There is no religious rights.

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There is no freedom like freedom of

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speech or women rights.

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00:20:20,177 --> 00:20:23,764

So we don't have that in Yemen or most of

559

00:20:23,764 --> 00:20:24,681

the Arabic countries.

560

00:20:25,766 --> 00:20:28,185

But I would say I would advise everybody

561

00:20:28,185 --> 00:20:31,688

you can do more than what I did as well.

562

00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:35,192

You can doubt, of course, because I

563

00:20:35,192 --> 00:20:37,861

believe Islam is not from Allah, not from

564

00:20:37,861 --> 00:20:40,739

God, not from the true creator.

565

00:20:42,157 --> 00:20:44,076

Because I believe now the creator is

566

00:20:44,076 --> 00:20:45,911

Yahweh, the God of the Bible.

567

00:20:47,663 --> 00:20:49,206

So I'm from America, right.

568

00:20:49,414 --> 00:20:51,416

But in the West, you know, or maybe in

569

00:20:51,416 --> 00:20:52,459

Europe, you know, America, whatever.

570

00:20:52,751 --> 00:20:55,504

Sometimes people have these ideas.

571

00:20:55,796 --> 00:20:58,340

They think of Muslims as, oh, they're

572

00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:01,051

they're terrorists or they think of war.

573

00:21:01,259 --> 00:21:03,095

You know, there's just a lot of war among

574

00:21:03,095 --> 00:21:04,137

the Muslims in the Middle East.

575

00:21:04,888 --> 00:21:08,141

What do you think of that when people

576

00:21:08,141 --> 00:21:09,893

maybe from my country who don't know any

577

00:21:09,893 --> 00:21:12,020

Muslims would think of the

578

00:21:12,020 --> 00:21:13,480

places you're from in that way?

579

00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,691

What would you say? I would say Muslims,

580

00:21:15,691 --> 00:21:16,608

they are human being.

581

00:21:17,526 --> 00:21:18,777

They are like me and you.

582

00:21:19,861 --> 00:21:21,947

And they are created.

583

00:21:23,657 --> 00:21:25,367

God created them in his

584

00:21:25,367 --> 00:21:27,452

image and he loves them.

585

00:21:28,328 --> 00:21:30,914

But they are victims of Islam.

586

00:21:32,791 --> 00:21:34,126

They are victims of Islam.

587

00:21:34,626 --> 00:21:36,837

Yes, Islam is aggressive, I would say.

588

00:21:37,295 --> 00:21:39,464

They will say some people, they will say

589

00:21:39,464 --> 00:21:40,882

Islam is the religion of peace.

590

00:21:40,882 --> 00:21:41,466

It's not the religion.

591

00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,427

It's not the religion of peace.

592

00:21:43,427 --> 00:21:44,511

It's the religion of war.

593

00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:47,431

This is how it started.

594

00:21:48,098 --> 00:21:49,975

This is what Islam said, not me.

595

00:21:50,767 --> 00:21:51,768

Tell me more on that.

596

00:21:51,768 --> 00:21:53,020

The religion of war, you're saying this

597

00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:54,771

is what Islam says or

598

00:21:54,771 --> 00:21:55,731

is that in the Quran?

599

00:21:56,314 --> 00:21:58,358

This is how when when when they came to

600

00:21:58,358 --> 00:22:00,068

my country, Yemen wasn't

601

00:22:00,068 --> 00:22:01,028

a Muslim country.

602

00:22:01,486 --> 00:22:02,487

They came by the sword.

603

00:22:03,530 --> 00:22:05,699

They converted Yemenis by the sword.

604

00:22:07,159 --> 00:22:08,160

Convert to Islam or

605

00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:08,994

are we going to kill you?

606

00:22:10,328 --> 00:22:11,872

Some of Yemenis they surrender.

607

00:22:12,247 --> 00:22:13,081

They become Muslims.

608

00:22:14,916 --> 00:22:16,752

Actually, they become radical Muslims.

609

00:22:18,086 --> 00:22:20,213

So this is how it started.

610

00:22:20,922 --> 00:22:24,551

Campaigns of Islam, they went to

611

00:22:24,551 --> 00:22:26,636

different countries and they converted

612

00:22:26,636 --> 00:22:27,763

many, many countries

613

00:22:28,305 --> 00:22:30,223

through the sword, through the war.

614

00:22:31,349 --> 00:22:32,976

So this is how Islam started, basically.

615

00:22:33,769 --> 00:22:37,898

So yeah, when you look into Muslims or

616

00:22:37,898 --> 00:22:40,067

from Arabic Muslims, they are human

617

00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:40,817

people, they are very

618

00:22:40,817 --> 00:22:42,235

nice, they are very kind.

619

00:22:42,486 --> 00:22:42,736

They are.

620

00:22:43,111 --> 00:22:44,821

But some of them, yes, they are extreme

621

00:22:44,821 --> 00:22:45,781

radicals because

622

00:22:45,781 --> 00:22:46,782

they've been brainwashed.

623

00:22:48,033 --> 00:22:50,535

But is that going to stop me

624

00:22:50,535 --> 00:22:51,620

from telling them the truth?

625

00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:53,872

No, no, no, no, no,

626

00:22:53,872 --> 00:22:54,873

no, no, no, no, no, no.

627

00:22:55,457 --> 00:22:57,501

That's not going to prevent me from

628

00:22:57,501 --> 00:22:58,418

telling them about that.

629

00:22:58,418 --> 00:22:59,795

That will give me more.

630

00:22:59,961 --> 00:23:01,379

That will give me more encouragement to

631

00:23:01,379 --> 00:23:02,130

tell them about the

632

00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:04,633

real God, the God of love.

633

00:23:04,841 --> 00:23:07,427

Because in Islam, Allah has

634

00:23:07,427 --> 00:23:11,515

99, 99 names without love.

635

00:23:11,515 --> 00:23:15,060

He's the merciful, the gracious, this,

636

00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:15,852

this, but without love.

637

00:23:15,852 --> 00:23:19,439

Of all 99 names, love is not in the list.

638

00:23:19,439 --> 00:23:20,524

Not in the list, yeah.

639

00:23:21,274 --> 00:23:22,025

I didn't know that.

640

00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:23,068

That's interesting.

641

00:23:23,443 --> 00:23:23,652

Yes.

642

00:23:23,819 --> 00:23:25,112

And that's kind of sad.

643

00:23:25,612 --> 00:23:28,156

And in our God, our Bible,

644

00:23:28,657 --> 00:23:30,450

our God is the God of love.

645

00:23:30,742 --> 00:23:30,992

Yeah.

646

00:23:31,409 --> 00:23:32,661

And they can check for themselves.

647

00:23:32,953 --> 00:23:35,539

Oh, that's a pretty distinct difference

648

00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:37,040

there, which kind of

649

00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:37,999

comes back to something I

650

00:23:37,999 --> 00:23:39,543

mentioned earlier, where some people are

651

00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:41,711

just like, oh, it's not a big deal.

652

00:23:42,254 --> 00:23:45,757

Bible, Quran, Allah, Jesus, Muhammad,

653

00:23:46,091 --> 00:23:47,509

they all, all paths

654

00:23:47,509 --> 00:23:48,718

will get you to heaven.

655

00:23:48,718 --> 00:23:49,678

It's no big deal.

656

00:23:49,678 --> 00:23:50,345

They're all the same.

657

00:23:50,929 --> 00:23:53,765

But you're describing some pretty major

658

00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:56,017

differences between these two religions,

659

00:23:56,017 --> 00:23:57,227

between Christianity and Islam.

660

00:23:57,936 --> 00:23:58,979

You want to talk more about that?

661

00:23:58,979 --> 00:23:59,521

Yes, of course.

662

00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:02,232

You know, in Islam, you

663

00:24:02,232 --> 00:24:03,984

have to do, it's a religion.

664

00:24:04,776 --> 00:24:06,403

It's a religion force, I will say.

665

00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,241

It's you have to do the rituals, you

666

00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:12,993

know, the five pillars,

667

00:24:13,410 --> 00:24:15,036

you know, and you have to

668

00:24:15,162 --> 00:24:17,706

pray, you have to fast, you have to earn

669

00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:20,542

your salvation, you know, every day.

670

00:24:21,376 --> 00:24:23,795

I remember like when I used to miss one

671

00:24:23,795 --> 00:24:26,965

prayer, you know, in morning, I will, you

672

00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:30,302

know, feel guilty, you know, live the

673

00:24:30,302 --> 00:24:31,261

whole day with guilt

674

00:24:31,261 --> 00:24:32,679

because I miss the prayer.

675

00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:36,558

Like fear for, scared Allah

676

00:24:36,558 --> 00:24:39,102

will punish me under fear.

677

00:24:40,979 --> 00:24:42,147

But now when I came to

678

00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:44,941

Christ, he gave me freedom.

679

00:24:45,734 --> 00:24:47,402

He's my father, he's my

680

00:24:47,402 --> 00:24:49,988

savior, he's my redeemer.

681

00:24:50,071 --> 00:24:51,990

He is he redeemed.

682

00:24:52,449 --> 00:24:55,243

He said it's finished on the cross.

683

00:24:55,243 --> 00:24:56,912

What he said, he said it's finished.

684

00:24:57,954 --> 00:25:02,125

So if I believe in him and I follow his

685

00:25:02,125 --> 00:25:03,293

teaching, I follow the

686

00:25:03,293 --> 00:25:04,461

teaching of the Bible, the

687

00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:06,630

New Testament and the whole actually the

688

00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:08,131

whole Bible to read the whole Bible from

689

00:25:08,131 --> 00:25:10,300

Genesis to Revelation, you will

690

00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,260

understand more about God,

691

00:25:12,594 --> 00:25:15,180

the love story of God for

692

00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:16,223

me and for everybody.

693

00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:18,099

But if you read Quran,

694

00:25:18,642 --> 00:25:20,560

this is why I describe Quran.

695

00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,645

I'm sorry, Muslims, but I

696

00:25:21,645 --> 00:25:22,687

describe Quran as confusion.

697

00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:24,397

It's it's confused.

698

00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:26,691

Many people, they get confused by Quran

699

00:25:26,691 --> 00:25:27,984

because they don't understand.

700

00:25:28,902 --> 00:25:31,196

If you ask many leaders, many Imams in

701

00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:33,365

all scholars in Islam,

702

00:25:33,907 --> 00:25:34,824

because you have to have

703

00:25:34,824 --> 00:25:37,244

interpretation to Quran, interpretation

704

00:25:37,244 --> 00:25:38,328

to interpret, like

705

00:25:38,328 --> 00:25:40,455

layer upon layer, layer upon

706

00:25:40,455 --> 00:25:43,333

layer. You can't get the real meat.

707

00:25:43,875 --> 00:25:44,751

But when you read the

708

00:25:44,751 --> 00:25:47,254

Bible, boom, you understand.

709

00:25:47,879 --> 00:25:48,672

It's very easy.

710

00:25:49,881 --> 00:25:52,175

You understand how God created, you know,

711

00:25:52,175 --> 00:25:53,426

about Adam and Eve,

712

00:25:53,635 --> 00:25:55,262

about the creation, the

713

00:25:55,262 --> 00:26:00,392

fall and how God provided how they try,

714

00:26:00,392 --> 00:26:02,310

you know, the Old Testament to do

715

00:26:02,435 --> 00:26:06,898

sacrifice through the animals and how

716

00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:09,276

Jesus Christ came as the Lamb of God.

717

00:26:10,277 --> 00:26:11,403

And he was crucified for

718

00:26:11,861 --> 00:26:14,239

it's very like in order.

719

00:26:16,032 --> 00:26:17,784

But you don't have that in Islam.

720

00:26:17,826 --> 00:26:19,619

Even in Islam, they will say because

721

00:26:19,619 --> 00:26:21,579

Muslims, they don't believe in the

722

00:26:21,579 --> 00:26:22,414

crucifixion of Jesus

723

00:26:22,497 --> 00:26:24,207

Christ, they will mention Christ.

724

00:26:25,208 --> 00:26:27,585

But when it comes to Christ, interesting,

725

00:26:28,169 --> 00:26:29,045

they will not mention

726

00:26:29,045 --> 00:26:30,338

the crucifixion, the

727

00:26:30,338 --> 00:26:32,465

crucifixion of Jesus Christ and the

728

00:26:32,465 --> 00:26:34,092

resurrection of Jesus Christ.

729

00:26:34,634 --> 00:26:36,011

So that's a big difference as well,

730

00:26:36,219 --> 00:26:37,887

because this is our this [indistinct].

731

00:26:38,596 --> 00:26:41,599

The essence of Christian faith is the

732

00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:43,768

crucifixion of Jesus Christ and the

733

00:26:43,810 --> 00:26:45,562

resurrection of Jesus Christ.

734

00:26:46,604 --> 00:26:49,316

But in Islam, I will put it like this.

735

00:26:49,649 --> 00:26:51,443

In Islam, if you believe that Jesus

736

00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:53,903

Christ is God and he was died and rose

737

00:26:53,903 --> 00:26:54,821

again, you will go to

738

00:26:54,821 --> 00:26:58,241

hell. In Christianity, if you believe

739

00:26:58,241 --> 00:26:59,993

that Jesus Christ was

740

00:26:59,993 --> 00:27:02,370

crucified and on the third day he

741

00:27:02,370 --> 00:27:03,288

rose again and he's

742

00:27:03,288 --> 00:27:04,831

God, you will go to heaven.

743

00:27:05,206 --> 00:27:06,750

That's like a basic.

744

00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:08,835

OK, so when people are like these

745

00:27:08,835 --> 00:27:09,878

religions are all the same,

746

00:27:09,878 --> 00:27:10,879

it's not really a big deal.

747

00:27:11,254 --> 00:27:13,423

I mean, you just described the most

748

00:27:13,423 --> 00:27:14,758

opposite thing that I

749

00:27:14,758 --> 00:27:16,134

can imagine, actually.

750

00:27:16,801 --> 00:27:17,761

Right. Yes. Yeah, yeah.

751

00:27:17,969 --> 00:27:18,970

In one religion, if you

752

00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:20,221

say this, you're condemned.

753

00:27:20,847 --> 00:27:21,556

In the other religion, if

754

00:27:21,556 --> 00:27:22,932

you say this, you're saved.

755

00:27:23,516 --> 00:27:25,435

Yeah. Well, I mean, those are as

756

00:27:25,435 --> 00:27:26,936

different as you can get,

757

00:27:27,395 --> 00:27:29,230

which as a Muslim, did that

758

00:27:29,689 --> 00:27:32,150

shock you when when you realize that and

759

00:27:32,150 --> 00:27:33,568

converted to Christianity?

760

00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:36,279

Of course, when that change was huge.

761

00:27:37,155 --> 00:27:38,239

Of course, of course.

762

00:27:38,239 --> 00:27:40,367

When I started to read about Jesus Christ

763

00:27:40,367 --> 00:27:42,786

and I heard that when they

764

00:27:42,786 --> 00:27:44,037

start to preach that, you

765

00:27:44,037 --> 00:27:45,705

know, from the Bible, that he was died

766

00:27:45,705 --> 00:27:47,499

for my sins and he rose again.

767

00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:51,294

Why is why I need to know more about him?

768

00:27:51,711 --> 00:27:53,671

I need to read more about this Jesus

769

00:27:53,671 --> 00:27:54,923

Christ, why he died for me.

770

00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:58,676

So then I start to read and I came to

771

00:27:58,676 --> 00:28:00,428

conclusion that he's real

772

00:28:00,428 --> 00:28:04,307

and he is he is he appear in

773

00:28:04,349 --> 00:28:07,435

flesh as the Messiah and he redeemed me

774

00:28:07,435 --> 00:28:09,145

and he saved me from my sin.

775

00:28:10,355 --> 00:28:12,232

So now he died on the cross for me.

776

00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:14,692

Now I have to carry his name and share

777

00:28:14,692 --> 00:28:15,860

his name with everybody

778

00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:17,362

and live a holy life because

779

00:28:17,362 --> 00:28:18,196

he's a holy God.

780

00:28:19,614 --> 00:28:20,490

He's without sin.

781

00:28:21,991 --> 00:28:23,410

So I'm going to go back to something you

782

00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:24,577

said earlier where you're

783

00:28:24,577 --> 00:28:26,830

talking about Islam and how

784

00:28:27,455 --> 00:28:28,957

maybe some in the West think about

785

00:28:28,957 --> 00:28:30,208

Muslims and terrorism

786

00:28:30,208 --> 00:28:30,834

and things like that.

787

00:28:31,042 --> 00:28:33,878

But then there's the other side where you

788

00:28:33,878 --> 00:28:34,754

have really progressive

789

00:28:34,754 --> 00:28:36,631

Muslims and they say, well,

790

00:28:36,631 --> 00:28:39,717

Islam is just a religion of peace and and

791

00:28:39,717 --> 00:28:40,635

all of these things.

792

00:28:41,010 --> 00:28:42,303

And you were just describing how it

793

00:28:42,303 --> 00:28:44,514

spread through warfare.

794

00:28:46,182 --> 00:28:47,267

How would you respond to that?

795

00:28:47,267 --> 00:28:49,144

To those more, I guess, yeah, progressive

796

00:28:49,144 --> 00:28:50,437

or whatever Muslims who

797

00:28:50,437 --> 00:28:51,187

say, oh, this is just a

798

00:28:51,187 --> 00:28:54,149

religion of peace and what that you know,

799

00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:55,275

you're wrong is what they will say.

800

00:28:55,525 --> 00:28:57,569

They they're Muslims who think that Islam

801

00:28:57,569 --> 00:28:58,778

is the religion of peace.

802

00:28:59,404 --> 00:29:01,114

I would ask them why I

803

00:29:01,114 --> 00:29:02,407

receive death threats every day.

804

00:29:02,407 --> 00:29:04,492

Why we don't why we don't leave me alone

805

00:29:04,492 --> 00:29:07,078

to live a peaceful life.

806

00:29:09,414 --> 00:29:10,123

Yeah. OK.

807

00:29:10,457 --> 00:29:12,500

And I would say to these people, because

808

00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,878

these people, they want to fit in in any

809

00:29:14,878 --> 00:29:16,171

community or in any,

810

00:29:16,504 --> 00:29:18,339

you know, any society.

811

00:29:19,466 --> 00:29:21,885

But the real Islam, if you go to the

812

00:29:21,885 --> 00:29:23,887

core is Islam, you need

813

00:29:23,887 --> 00:29:27,974

to do jihad, jihad and to do

814

00:29:28,016 --> 00:29:32,479

Dawah and to live as a real Muslim, to do

815

00:29:32,479 --> 00:29:33,688

or to do all the

816

00:29:33,688 --> 00:29:35,440

rituals and to go to fight

817

00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:38,151

the infidels because they consider

818

00:29:38,151 --> 00:29:39,444

Christians and Jews

819

00:29:39,444 --> 00:29:42,071

infidels and the nonbelievers, you

820

00:29:42,071 --> 00:29:43,239

know, from the West,

821

00:29:43,865 --> 00:29:45,158

they consider actually.

822

00:29:46,326 --> 00:29:47,660

Let me give you a verse.

823

00:29:48,536 --> 00:29:51,539

It's the last revelation to Muhammad.

824

00:29:51,873 --> 00:29:53,124

They believed in this is in Quran.

825

00:29:53,416 --> 00:29:54,209

It's called a Toba.

826

00:29:54,209 --> 00:29:55,126

So what is a Toba?

827

00:29:56,127 --> 00:29:57,879

So Allah said to Muhammad

828

00:29:57,879 --> 00:29:59,589

through Jabri al Azrei belief.

829

00:29:59,756 --> 00:30:00,840

This is through their Quran.

830

00:30:01,716 --> 00:30:04,594

Go and kill anybody who doesn't believe

831

00:30:04,594 --> 00:30:07,639

in Allah and his

832

00:30:07,639 --> 00:30:09,599

messenger and the last day.

833

00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,644

This is the final

834

00:30:12,644 --> 00:30:16,731

revelation from Allah to Muhammad.

835

00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:18,816

Whoa.

836

00:30:19,108 --> 00:30:22,028

So what do those Muslims say in response

837

00:30:22,028 --> 00:30:24,030

to that passage in the

838

00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:24,822

Quran where they would

839

00:30:24,864 --> 00:30:27,116

say, well, this is a religion of peace.

840

00:30:27,116 --> 00:30:29,077

How do they think of that verse then?

841

00:30:29,702 --> 00:30:31,454

They don't want the

842

00:30:31,454 --> 00:30:32,705

world to criticize them.

843

00:30:32,705 --> 00:30:34,457

They want to fit in because if they are

844

00:30:34,457 --> 00:30:36,000

in the West, they are a minority.

845

00:30:36,751 --> 00:30:38,711

But when they become majority, they will

846

00:30:38,711 --> 00:30:39,796

say, yeah, we need to

847

00:30:39,796 --> 00:30:42,048

apply this because they believe

848

00:30:42,048 --> 00:30:45,385

is Quran is the final revelation of God.

849

00:30:46,094 --> 00:30:49,264

So it's for all time.

850

00:30:50,306 --> 00:30:52,350

So if it's Quran for all time, they

851

00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:54,102

should exercise that verse.

852

00:30:54,102 --> 00:30:54,310

Yes.

853

00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:59,065

But for some interpretation, they say the

854

00:30:59,065 --> 00:31:00,400

one who wants to say Islam

855

00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,317

is the religion of peace.

856

00:31:01,317 --> 00:31:03,278

They will say, well, that's in that time.

857

00:31:03,278 --> 00:31:03,570

Okay.

858

00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:05,488

That's that's good if it's for that time.

859

00:31:05,989 --> 00:31:07,699

So that's good.

860

00:31:07,991 --> 00:31:10,034

But no, the majority of Islam, they would

861

00:31:10,034 --> 00:31:12,245

say, no, we should apply this.

862

00:31:12,996 --> 00:31:14,831

But because in the West, they are

863

00:31:14,831 --> 00:31:17,500

minority, I think when they

864

00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,962

are more than 30 percent, we will

865

00:31:20,962 --> 00:31:24,048

see this verses will be applied.

866

00:31:25,216 --> 00:31:27,719

In the West, I think I think it's already

867

00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:29,971

happening because now in

868

00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:31,472

the UK, Muslims, they are

869

00:31:31,472 --> 00:31:31,848

crying.

870

00:31:31,848 --> 00:31:34,017

They want Sharia law, you know, Sharia

871

00:31:34,017 --> 00:31:36,060

law to apply the Islamic law

872

00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:38,396

because in because I am

873

00:31:38,396 --> 00:31:40,648

based in Europe and I see this in front

874

00:31:40,648 --> 00:31:42,567

of my eyes and people in

875

00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:43,526

the West, they will say,

876

00:31:43,526 --> 00:31:45,278

oh, well, Islam is the religion.

877

00:31:45,278 --> 00:31:46,779

They believe Islam is

878

00:31:46,779 --> 00:31:47,572

the religion of peace.

879

00:31:48,281 --> 00:31:48,990

Political correctness.

880

00:31:50,658 --> 00:31:52,285

No, it's not the religion of peace.

881

00:31:52,285 --> 00:31:53,828

It's the reason the religion of war.

882

00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:56,789

If it's the religion of peace, why they

883

00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:58,583

why they send me death threats every day?

884

00:31:59,292 --> 00:32:02,754

Why they anybody who leave

885

00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:04,047

Islam, they consider him

886

00:32:04,047 --> 00:32:06,007

apostate and there is death

887

00:32:06,007 --> 00:32:07,884

penalty for apostate.

888

00:32:08,134 --> 00:32:10,136

There is a Hadith in Islam.

889

00:32:10,136 --> 00:32:12,180

He says, [Arabic phrase]

890

00:32:12,847 --> 00:32:14,849

"Whoever leave Islam

891

00:32:14,849 --> 00:32:16,017

should be bought to death."

892

00:32:17,435 --> 00:32:20,688

So you like they would put you to death

893

00:32:20,688 --> 00:32:21,898

then because you left.

894

00:32:22,231 --> 00:32:24,400

So many people killed so many ex-Muslim

895

00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,569

killed because they gave up Islam.

896

00:32:27,236 --> 00:32:29,280

So if you were to go home to your home

897

00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,365

country back to Yemen,

898

00:32:30,615 --> 00:32:31,866

that's probably what would

899

00:32:31,866 --> 00:32:32,450

happen to you.

900

00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:33,993

They're going to kill me.

901

00:32:34,035 --> 00:32:34,410

Really?

902

00:32:34,410 --> 00:32:34,911

They're going to they're

903

00:32:34,911 --> 00:32:36,245

going to crucify me in Yemen.

904

00:32:36,788 --> 00:32:38,206

They're going to crucify me in front of

905

00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:39,999

everybody public because

906

00:32:39,999 --> 00:32:40,667

they're going to send a

907

00:32:40,667 --> 00:32:41,668

message to everybody.

908

00:32:41,668 --> 00:32:44,629

If you dare to do what John did, this is

909

00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:46,130

the result because this

910

00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:47,173

is this is this is the

911

00:32:47,173 --> 00:32:47,965

Islamic teaching.

912

00:32:48,007 --> 00:32:49,884

They want to but they

913

00:32:49,884 --> 00:32:51,344

want to make them terrified.

914

00:32:52,887 --> 00:32:54,597

They want to stop them from doubting

915

00:32:54,597 --> 00:32:57,892

about Islam or leaving Islam.

916

00:32:58,685 --> 00:32:59,560

This is how it works.

917

00:33:01,688 --> 00:33:03,189

So we already touched on this briefly

918

00:33:03,189 --> 00:33:05,233

earlier, but Islam is the

919

00:33:05,233 --> 00:33:06,693

fastest growing religion in

920

00:33:06,693 --> 00:33:07,026

the world.

921

00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:09,904

Why is it growing so fast?

922

00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:11,322

And should that concern us?

923

00:33:12,281 --> 00:33:16,077

They because now there is migrants like

924

00:33:16,077 --> 00:33:18,162

let's say in the UK.

925

00:33:19,872 --> 00:33:22,166

Yemenis came to the UK 1860.

926

00:33:24,043 --> 00:33:26,754

1860 came to the UK, you

927

00:33:26,754 --> 00:33:29,507

know, through the British colony.

928

00:33:30,425 --> 00:33:31,592

That's a long time ago, yes.

929

00:33:32,552 --> 00:33:35,596

And when they came to the UK, they they

930

00:33:35,596 --> 00:33:36,973

married British people,

931

00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:38,391

convert them to Islam.

932

00:33:38,933 --> 00:33:40,810

They brought their families from back in

933

00:33:40,810 --> 00:33:42,103

Yemen and they started

934

00:33:42,103 --> 00:33:43,563

their own communities with

935

00:33:43,646 --> 00:33:46,107

other communities from India, Pakistan,

936

00:33:46,441 --> 00:33:47,734

Bangladesh, other countries.

937

00:33:48,443 --> 00:33:51,028

They started their own community and they

938

00:33:51,028 --> 00:33:53,197

are growing as well as

939

00:33:53,197 --> 00:33:54,532

I said before by birth.

940

00:33:55,241 --> 00:33:56,451

And they do as well.

941

00:33:57,452 --> 00:34:00,163

They call it Dawah evangelism because

942

00:34:00,163 --> 00:34:02,206

they take advantage on

943

00:34:02,206 --> 00:34:05,001

the freedom of speech or

944

00:34:05,001 --> 00:34:05,752

freedom of religion.

945

00:34:07,044 --> 00:34:09,672

And this is why they they want to use

946

00:34:09,672 --> 00:34:11,132

Islam is the religion

947

00:34:11,132 --> 00:34:12,508

of peace so they can

948

00:34:12,508 --> 00:34:13,217

evangelize.

949

00:34:13,468 --> 00:34:15,470

They can call people to Islam.

950

00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:17,096

They are very smart and they have many

951

00:34:17,096 --> 00:34:19,098

techniques like if someone

952

00:34:19,098 --> 00:34:20,391

is lonely, especially

953

00:34:20,391 --> 00:34:25,855

the girls, if they are lonely and and

954

00:34:25,855 --> 00:34:26,856

they they've been

955

00:34:26,856 --> 00:34:28,691

introduced to a Muslim family,

956

00:34:28,941 --> 00:34:30,693

this Muslim family, they will look after

957

00:34:30,693 --> 00:34:33,321

these these girls or

958

00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:35,573

and they will give them

959

00:34:35,615 --> 00:34:38,534

feasts, you know, because they are like

960

00:34:38,534 --> 00:34:40,369

Abraham, you know,

961

00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:41,662

they like food, they make

962

00:34:41,662 --> 00:34:42,163

feasts.

963

00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,373

So and they welcome

964

00:34:44,373 --> 00:34:45,750

everybody to their houses.

965

00:34:45,833 --> 00:34:47,460

Then they start to tell them about Islam

966

00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:49,086

and they told

967

00:34:49,086 --> 00:34:50,546

specifically girls, you should now

968

00:34:50,546 --> 00:34:52,632

cover your head, especially if their

969

00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:54,383

son's in love with this girl.

970

00:34:54,592 --> 00:34:55,843

Or if you want to marry him,

971

00:34:56,052 --> 00:34:57,720

you should cover your head.

972

00:34:58,971 --> 00:35:01,724

You should cover your body.

973

00:35:02,725 --> 00:35:04,602

What this is, this is good things, but

974

00:35:04,602 --> 00:35:06,729

this is how they get them into Islam.

975

00:35:07,647 --> 00:35:10,274

A technique, there is a technique, a

976

00:35:10,274 --> 00:35:12,652

technique through the culture.

977

00:35:15,279 --> 00:35:16,489

So I'm thinking of the

978

00:35:16,489 --> 00:35:17,698

Muslims that are listening to this.

979

00:35:18,074 --> 00:35:19,283

I'm sure there will be some.

980

00:35:19,909 --> 00:35:21,035

What would you say to them?

981

00:35:21,828 --> 00:35:23,579

Like you've said some things that are

982

00:35:24,372 --> 00:35:26,374

very counter to what

983

00:35:26,374 --> 00:35:27,959

Muslims would be taught, what you

984

00:35:27,959 --> 00:35:28,459

had been taught.

985

00:35:29,669 --> 00:35:30,920

What do you say to those people and

986

00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,004

especially thinking of how

987

00:35:32,004 --> 00:35:33,339

they might be reacting to some of

988

00:35:33,339 --> 00:35:34,465

the things you've been saying?

989

00:35:35,842 --> 00:35:39,595

Well, read if you want to to investigate

990

00:35:39,595 --> 00:35:42,723

Islam read because like I

991

00:35:42,723 --> 00:35:44,767

was born Muslim, but I am

992

00:35:44,767 --> 00:35:46,435

allowed to question my faith.

993

00:35:47,061 --> 00:35:48,980

I am allowed to question who

994

00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:50,940

I am, what I'm doing on earth.

995

00:35:51,566 --> 00:35:53,484

And I don't have to to

996

00:35:53,484 --> 00:35:55,236

be like my family.

997

00:35:56,487 --> 00:35:58,865

I have free will God created me in his

998

00:35:58,865 --> 00:36:01,576

image and he gave me

999

00:36:01,576 --> 00:36:03,703

the freedom to choose.

00:36:04,579 --> 00:36:06,914

And I would encourage

00:36:06,914 --> 00:36:08,124

you to choose carefully.

00:36:09,417 --> 00:36:12,128

Choose carefully because if you want to

00:36:12,128 --> 00:36:13,963

be saved, if you want to go

00:36:13,963 --> 00:36:16,257

to heaven, 100 percent, not

00:36:16,257 --> 00:36:19,093

unsure because I know you're not you're

00:36:19,093 --> 00:36:20,136

not sure that you are going

00:36:20,136 --> 00:36:21,345

to heaven because you have to

00:36:21,345 --> 00:36:22,889

do all the Islamic prayers,

00:36:23,598 --> 00:36:24,974

all the Islamic rituals.

00:36:25,975 --> 00:36:27,518

And at the end of the day, you don't know

00:36:27,518 --> 00:36:29,604

because even Muhammad he said, I don't

00:36:29,604 --> 00:36:31,606

know if I will go to

00:36:31,606 --> 00:36:32,190

heaven or not.

00:36:32,815 --> 00:36:33,733

Is that in the Quran?

00:36:34,066 --> 00:36:37,028

Yes, He said, I don't know if

00:36:37,028 --> 00:36:38,779

Allah will accept me or not.

00:36:40,489 --> 00:36:42,199

That must be a little scary.

00:36:42,742 --> 00:36:43,701

You're a Muslim and

00:36:43,701 --> 00:36:44,619

you don't actually know.

00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:48,539

This is why Allah, you know, Muslims,

00:36:49,832 --> 00:36:52,919

they always say Allah and his angels,

00:36:53,336 --> 00:36:54,670

they pray for Allah.

00:36:55,671 --> 00:36:56,422

Because of his sins.

00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:58,257

He's a sinner.

00:36:59,425 --> 00:37:01,427

So we are not sure if

00:37:01,427 --> 00:37:03,179

Muhammad will go to heaven or not.

00:37:03,846 --> 00:37:05,097

So who's going to judge

00:37:05,097 --> 00:37:06,974

the living and the dead.

00:37:07,558 --> 00:37:09,685

Jesus Christ is coming back to judge and

00:37:09,685 --> 00:37:10,686

the living and the dead.

00:37:11,103 --> 00:37:13,481

I believe Jesus will judge Muhammad.

00:37:15,149 --> 00:37:17,902

So Muslims, think carefully, choose

00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:19,654

carefully who you're going to follow.

00:37:21,781 --> 00:37:22,490

You're going to follow

00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:24,367

the one who was a sinner.

00:37:25,493 --> 00:37:27,495

Or you're going to follow the one who was

00:37:27,495 --> 00:37:29,080

without saying Jesus Christ

00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,123

and he's God is going back,

00:37:31,540 --> 00:37:33,334

he's coming back to judge

00:37:33,334 --> 00:37:34,377

the living and the dead.

00:37:35,127 --> 00:37:37,046

And he's going to judge Muhammad.

00:37:40,549 --> 00:37:42,259

That makes you think I've never thought

00:37:42,259 --> 00:37:43,135

of it like that before.

00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:46,180

So I'm going to ask the same question,

00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:46,722

but I'm now going to

00:37:46,722 --> 00:37:47,640

spin it the other direction.

00:37:48,057 --> 00:37:49,725

To those listening that aren't Muslims

00:37:49,725 --> 00:37:52,478

and they have, they've met Muslims say

00:37:52,478 --> 00:37:53,437

they're, you know, they

00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:54,647

listen to this podcast, they're

00:37:54,647 --> 00:37:57,316

Christians, but they don't really know

00:37:57,316 --> 00:37:58,192

how to speak to Muslims.

00:37:58,526 --> 00:37:59,735

Maybe they're intimidated or they're

00:37:59,735 --> 00:38:01,487

scared or they just, they

00:38:01,487 --> 00:38:02,947

don't know when Muslims believe.

00:38:03,864 --> 00:38:04,615

What would you say to

00:38:04,615 --> 00:38:05,741

those people listening?

00:38:06,117 --> 00:38:07,660

What advice would you give them as they

00:38:07,660 --> 00:38:09,912

interact with Muslims and try to point

00:38:09,912 --> 00:38:11,831

Jesus out to these people?

00:38:12,081 --> 00:38:12,707

What would you say?

00:38:13,165 --> 00:38:16,002

I would say if you are a Christian, live

00:38:16,002 --> 00:38:17,920

a radical life for the Lord Jesus Christ,

00:38:18,838 --> 00:38:21,132

they will watch your life and tell them

00:38:21,132 --> 00:38:23,384

about the God of love Jesus Christ in the

00:38:23,426 --> 00:38:26,053

Bible and they will see your life.

00:38:26,053 --> 00:38:28,973

They will see how, how you are, how you

00:38:28,973 --> 00:38:33,602

live a life which pleasing the Lord Jesus

00:38:33,602 --> 00:38:35,980

Christ because Muslims, they wake up

00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:37,940

every day and they pray.

00:38:38,983 --> 00:38:41,485

It's in their, in their blood and

00:38:41,485 --> 00:38:43,279

Christians, we should be radicals more

00:38:43,279 --> 00:38:46,699

than them because it's not about, you

00:38:46,699 --> 00:38:48,617

know, how smart you are or

00:38:48,617 --> 00:38:49,910

you want to convince them.

00:38:50,244 --> 00:38:51,412

This is not our job.

00:38:52,038 --> 00:38:52,830

Just love them.

00:38:53,581 --> 00:38:55,332

Accept them as they are.

00:38:55,791 --> 00:38:57,335

As you asked before, you know, people,

00:38:57,543 --> 00:39:00,421

they think they are like, you know,

00:39:00,421 --> 00:39:04,008

terrorists, Muslims, there is yes, some of

00:39:04,008 --> 00:39:05,885

them, but some of them, they are nice

00:39:05,885 --> 00:39:07,470

people like me and like you.

00:39:07,887 --> 00:39:09,346

But they are a victim of Islam.

00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,098

They, maybe they never heard about Jesus

00:39:11,098 --> 00:39:14,435

Christ because they always heard from

00:39:14,435 --> 00:39:16,562

the, from their childhood about the

00:39:16,562 --> 00:39:17,980

corrupted Christianity.

00:39:18,898 --> 00:39:20,149

So you need to correct them.

00:39:20,316 --> 00:39:22,193

This is a great opportunity if you

00:39:22,193 --> 00:39:25,863

actually have a friends from a Muslim,

00:39:26,113 --> 00:39:28,449

from Islamic background, it's a great

00:39:28,449 --> 00:39:31,285

opportunity to show them the kingdom of

00:39:31,285 --> 00:39:32,119

heaven and the King of

00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:33,079

heaven, Jesus Christ.

00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,081

It's a great opportunity.

00:39:35,081 --> 00:39:35,790

Don't be scared.

00:39:36,624 --> 00:39:37,833

They are human like you.

00:39:38,584 --> 00:39:39,627

They are the same race.

00:39:39,877 --> 00:39:41,253

They are from, they are from earth.

00:39:41,754 --> 00:39:42,546

They are from, they are

00:39:42,546 --> 00:39:43,714

not from different planet.

00:39:44,965 --> 00:39:46,467

They're from the same earth.

00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:46,884

Yeah.

00:39:48,344 --> 00:39:50,179

So you, yeah, you're encouraging us to be

00:39:50,179 --> 00:39:51,055

bold and courageous

00:39:51,055 --> 00:39:52,306

about what we believe.

00:39:52,932 --> 00:39:53,140

Yeah.

00:39:53,307 --> 00:39:54,934

Just be bold for the Lord.

00:39:55,434 --> 00:39:56,352

Share your faith.

00:39:56,352 --> 00:39:58,312

Don't be scared because they, this is

00:39:58,312 --> 00:39:59,438

what we see in the West.

00:39:59,438 --> 00:40:00,106

They are Muslims.

00:40:00,648 --> 00:40:02,191

They, you can go now to the streets.

00:40:02,441 --> 00:40:03,984

They share the hand of

00:40:03,984 --> 00:40:05,319

the Quran in the street.

00:40:05,319 --> 00:40:06,904

They want to convert to, they do Dawah,

00:40:06,904 --> 00:40:08,531

evangelism, Islamic evangelism.

00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:11,700

They are not scared because here in the

00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:14,954

West, it's the, the freedom of religious.

00:40:17,206 --> 00:40:19,917

So they use it for their own benefits.

00:40:21,377 --> 00:40:24,213

So as Christians from the US, from the

00:40:24,213 --> 00:40:26,966

UK, from Europe, no, we should be

00:40:26,966 --> 00:40:28,467

radicals more than them.

00:40:29,885 --> 00:40:30,970

If we are ashamed of

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Jesus Christ, shame on us.

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Shame on me if I don't tell Jesus Christ.

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And our duty is to love them and to

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share, to present Jesus

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because we are ambassadors.

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We are ambassadors to our King on earth.

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We are ambassadors to

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the King, Jesus Christ.

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And I think that's the piece about your

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story that has stood out to me and

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encouraged me more than

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anything is, is your boldness.

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And people can go listen to that other

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episode, but even your story, you know,

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when you come to Christ and when you're

00:41:02,877 --> 00:41:04,545

not ashamed of that and you publicly say

00:41:04,545 --> 00:41:07,965

it, the cost for you was very high, you

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know, and the threats against your life

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even, you know, are.

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Are intense.

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There's the, these aren't

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just words for you to say.

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And I think that's really important for

00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,478

our listeners to hear that, you know,

00:41:21,478 --> 00:41:22,605

sometimes there's a cost, but we should

00:41:22,605 --> 00:41:23,939

still be bold for what

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Christ has called us to.

00:41:25,107 --> 00:41:27,401

I think that's the, we can talk about

00:41:27,401 --> 00:41:29,820

Islam all day and how to reach Muslims,

00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:31,489

but in the end, if we're not courageous

00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,449

about who Jesus is in our

00:41:33,449 --> 00:41:35,075

lives, does that matter?

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Like, are we courageous for God?

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I think is the piece I'm learning here.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's not only in the

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head, information in the head.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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It's a real belief, a radical faith.

00:41:47,213 --> 00:41:49,757

We need to ask for radical faith and

00:41:49,757 --> 00:41:52,343

radical encouragement from the Lord to

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our life so we can be bold for His name,

00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:57,181

bold for His kingdom every day.

00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,726

That's how we're going to win people and

00:42:00,726 --> 00:42:03,646

we will be an open book to them.

00:42:04,647 --> 00:42:05,648

They will see our life.

00:42:05,689 --> 00:42:06,941

It's not got what you

00:42:06,941 --> 00:42:10,069

say as your action as well.

00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:10,694

How you live.

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How you live your life.

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Yes.

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How you live your life.

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And yeah, and I believe people, they will

00:42:17,326 --> 00:42:19,036

see that and they will start to question.

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They will see the real Christianity

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because now many people from Middle East,

00:42:24,458 --> 00:42:26,001

they see Christianity is corrupted.

00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:29,964

They see what is on TV, what is on,

00:42:30,506 --> 00:42:33,842

you know, these bad things happening.

00:42:34,134 --> 00:42:37,054

You know, that's not Christianity.

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No, Christianity is in the Bible.

00:42:39,807 --> 00:42:42,017

Not is the one in the TV or on the street

00:42:42,017 --> 00:42:43,894

or these clubs or no,

00:42:43,894 --> 00:42:44,478

no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:42:44,979 --> 00:42:46,855

It's read the Bible and you will

00:42:46,855 --> 00:42:48,315

understand who's Jesus Christ.

00:42:49,525 --> 00:42:54,738

And because this is in Arabic, we said,

00:42:54,738 --> 00:42:57,157

Kitab Al-Hiyyah, the Book of Life.

00:42:58,492 --> 00:43:00,452

Yeah, the Bible, we call it Kitab

00:43:00,452 --> 00:43:02,079

al-Haiyah, the Book of Life.

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So this is for my life because Jesus

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Christ, He says, I am the

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way, the truth, and the life.

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So my life belongs to Jesus Christ.

00:43:14,466 --> 00:43:15,968

He's in me and I am in Him.

00:43:17,303 --> 00:43:19,346

So I should live a radical

00:43:19,346 --> 00:43:20,806

life, a holy life for Him.

00:43:21,223 --> 00:43:24,184

It's not easy, but it's worth it.

00:43:25,853 --> 00:43:28,856

And for me, like especially you mentioned

00:43:28,856 --> 00:43:32,359

about persecution, persecution make me

00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:33,902

more mature in my faith.

00:43:34,987 --> 00:43:36,238

You know, this sounds crazy.

00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:37,364

I love persecution.

00:43:38,907 --> 00:43:40,117

I love persecution because

00:43:40,117 --> 00:43:41,785

persecution is from the Bible.

00:43:43,579 --> 00:43:45,581

It's not from John Ghanim.

00:43:46,582 --> 00:43:48,751

It's not from Christians.

00:43:49,501 --> 00:43:51,211

It's from the early

00:43:51,211 --> 00:43:52,504

church, from Jesus Christ.

00:43:52,504 --> 00:43:55,632

It came from Jesus Christ put on the

00:43:55,632 --> 00:43:56,675

cross and He was died.

00:43:57,343 --> 00:43:58,260

They persecuted Him.

00:43:59,178 --> 00:44:00,637

So persecution is for everybody.

00:44:03,182 --> 00:44:04,308

You've given us a lot to

00:44:04,308 --> 00:44:05,851

think about in this episode, John.

00:44:06,685 --> 00:44:06,977

Wow.

00:44:08,062 --> 00:44:10,189

Be bold for Jesus, but also know there

00:44:10,189 --> 00:44:13,192

will be a cost for following Christ.

00:44:13,192 --> 00:44:15,444

Yeah, you might be killed for your faith.

00:44:15,652 --> 00:44:15,861

Yeah.

00:44:16,612 --> 00:44:18,405

And that in the West is not happening

00:44:18,405 --> 00:44:20,157

yet, but it's much,

00:44:20,407 --> 00:44:22,409

it's maybe it's coming.

00:44:22,868 --> 00:44:24,787

My question is to the churches, to the

00:44:24,787 --> 00:44:25,621

leaders, are you ready?

00:44:26,830 --> 00:44:28,082

Are you ready for persecution?

00:44:29,541 --> 00:44:31,001

This is my question for everybody.

00:44:32,419 --> 00:44:36,799

For me, Jesus commanded us in Matthew 28,

00:44:37,549 --> 00:44:40,552

if you die, don't fear the one who killed

00:44:40,552 --> 00:44:42,304

the body, but fear the one who can

00:44:42,304 --> 00:44:44,014

destroy the body and the soul and put

00:44:44,014 --> 00:44:45,099

them in hell fire.

00:44:46,183 --> 00:44:48,477

So are we ready for persecution or not?

00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:51,146

Or we are living a comfortable life.

00:44:51,146 --> 00:44:54,149

We have everything and we put God,

00:44:55,275 --> 00:44:58,278

second, third, no, God is everything.

00:44:58,695 --> 00:45:00,030

Jesus is everything in our life.

00:45:00,739 --> 00:45:02,533

Then the rest it's come after.

00:45:04,493 --> 00:45:06,662

John, thanks for sharing with us today

00:45:06,662 --> 00:45:09,373

and for your example of boldness in the

00:45:09,373 --> 00:45:12,251

face of adversity and those who would not

00:45:12,251 --> 00:45:13,377

want you to speak what

00:45:13,377 --> 00:45:14,378

Christ has done in your life.

00:45:15,421 --> 00:45:18,632

So, wow, giving us a lot to think about.

00:45:18,966 --> 00:45:19,800

Thank you for sharing today.

00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:20,592

Of course.

00:45:21,051 --> 00:45:24,054

And pray for me that I will be, you know,

00:45:24,054 --> 00:45:26,807

I will live a holy life for him, a living

00:45:26,807 --> 00:45:28,100

testimony every day.

00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:30,018

It's not just, you know,

00:45:30,018 --> 00:45:31,562

one event, no, it's every day.

00:45:32,229 --> 00:45:32,521

Every day.

00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,065

If you found this interview with John

00:45:35,065 --> 00:45:37,109

interesting, check out the first one we

00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:38,485

did with him where he tells his whole

00:45:38,485 --> 00:45:41,780

story of how he left Yemen and eventually

00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:43,699

leaves Islam and finds Christianity.

00:45:44,074 --> 00:45:45,367

And you can find that linked in the

00:45:45,367 --> 00:45:46,827

description down below.

00:45:47,286 --> 00:45:48,829

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00:45:57,171 --> 00:45:58,255

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