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Well, hello and welcome to Binge Watch, the
podcast where we take a look at the hottest

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new TV and film releases on streaming television
platforms. I'm Hannah Fernando, the group editor

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of Woman and Woman at Home magazine. Yes, you
are. And I'm Ian McEwan, writer on TV Satellite

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Week, TV Times and What's on TV magazines and
whatsowatch.com website. Yes. And today we're

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looking at the new releases that will be available
on Friday, the 14th of February 2025. Happy

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Valentine's. including Apple TV horror The Gorge,
starring Miles Teller and Anya Taylor Joy as

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smitten snipers and Hanging Out at Home with
Catherine and Ryan courtesy of you. Yes, we

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will, but we'll also be checking out the real
story of a calamitous US forces mission in

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Somalia in the Netflix series Surviving Black
Hawk Down and the return of ITVX cold case

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crime drama Unforgotten. But first Ian, what
is in the news please? Well, A, I've had flu

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for a week, but like Alan Partridge, I've bounced
back. And B, Annette Bening? will star as a

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mob boss in the Apple TV plus drama Lucky, which
features Hello, Anya Taylor Joy, as a woman

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trying to move on from her criminal past. What
else is in the news, Hannah? Well, it's very

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much in the news, isn't it? But Netflix documentary,
Grenfell, will examine the events that led

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up to the very tragic 2017 fire at Grenfell
Tower in West London. Well, it's a Valentine's

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themed podcast in some ways, Hannah, and what's
more romantic than two cold-eyed assassins

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falling for each other. Yes, we are starting
on Apple TV Plus with a new horror film which

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arrived on Friday the 14th of Feb. It's called
The Gorge. And here's a clip. West Tower Observation

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Post, your home for the next 365 days. There
is no outside communication here. What's that

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on the other side? That is East Tower. Contact
with the other side is strictly forbidden.

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So what's the mission? To keep people from going
in the gorge? No. You need to stop what's in

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the gorge from coming out. So I do love a horror
movie. I loved The Queen's Gambit, which starred

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Anya Taylor-Joy. And I loved Whiplash, which
was the breakout movie for The Fabulous Miles

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Teller. So when I saw they were both appearing
in this, not just those two but also Sigourney

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Weaver! I thought I'm well up for this. However,
quite early on there were a few red flags.

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Okay, so they say show don't tell, don't they
Hannah, about how to make film and TV? Well

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there's a lot of telling and not showing at
the beginning of this and at one point... a

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man starts playing an accordion in a graveyard.
I'm like, red flag, red flag, and then starts

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telling his story. Anyway, so for quite a lot
of the beginning of this, I was getting really

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annoyed at how badly told the story was and
how utterly implausible the entire setup was.

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But once I'd got over that, I just thought,
why don't you just go with it? and enjoy it.

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I did enjoy it. And at the heart of it, I mean,
you've got a fair play to Taylor Joy and Teller

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for getting through it and making you care because
they managed to do that, God knows how. And

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the story about the two of them, they're both
assassins, they're both snipers. And I will

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not explain the reasons why they're stationed
on either side of this mysterious gorge. which,

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you know, and the reasons behind that and the
backstory will all become clear, but it's highly

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unlikely tale. But yeah, they kind of fall in
love across the chasm. They can see each other

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through sort of binoculars and they write messages
on big white boards for each other. That's

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rather charming. Sigourney Weaver, I have to
say, she kicks off doing a very boring kind

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of interview scene with Teller, and she's...
not really used very well in this, I would

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have to say. You also have Sopi Doresu, who
was super in Gangs of London and he has the

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kind of Basil exposition role. So when Teller's
character, I should tell you the names of the

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characters, didn't I say? Miles Teller plays
Levi, an American sniper on one side of the

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gorge, and Anya Taylor-Joy plays Drusser, who
was a Lithuanian assassin on the other side.

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Okay, so poor old Soapy Dirisu as JD, he's the
guy who's now leaving his post in the tower.

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Each of them has to spend a year there and so
he has to give this very long speech explaining

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to Levi like this is how it is blah blah. Anyway,
yeah, as I say, I mean it's just a totally

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crazy premise and it gets crazier once they
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But I enjoyed it. Yeah, I did enjoy it. It's
just totally off the wall, but with absolute

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star power in the two leads. So yeah, what did
you make of this, Hannah? Well, there is star

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power, which is kind of why it's so weird, I
think. And like you say, you kind of, you think

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it's gonna be amazing because of it, and you
have to get over the fact that it's a bit ridiculous

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to actually kind of start to enjoy it. I mean,
the idea that two snipers fall in love. from

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across the gorge is kind of a kind of crazy,
weird premise for it anyway. It's not, I'm

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gonna be really honest with you, it's not for
me, I find it too kind of far-fetched, too

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ridiculous in places. I don't think the narrative
that great either. And given the style of watch

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to this, do you feel it could have been kind
of better and I'm kind of surprised they wanted

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to be involved in it. But having said that,
this is a genre that it's... you know, it's

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not my thing, it's not something that I absolutely
love. So for somebody who perhaps, you know,

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does like this more sort of far-fetched, slightly
unbelievable storyline, then it's for you.

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But no, I've got to be honest with you, it didn't
catch me. Okay, and while we're about it, another

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horror movie, post-apocalyptic thriller, Elevation,
is currently available on Prime Video. That

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stars Anthony Mackie. And while in the gorge
there are monsters coming from the deep, in

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elevation there are these monsters that cannot
go above 8,000 feet altitude. But if you go

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below that line, they're called reapers. They're
kind of like these giant bugs that have conquered

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the planet. And if you go below that line, they
will try and kill you. So yeah, check that

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out, that's quite fun. Now, yet more romantic
offerings Hannah has as we move across to the

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streaming platform You for a new series called
At Home with Katherine Ryan. And here's a clip.

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Full disclosure, this queen is just trying to
hold it all together. When did you get permission

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to have a cat? Never really, but it's fine.
So can I entertain the nation and be the best

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wife? We were able to get into the bathroom.
I didn't know we were saying that. And mom?

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I'm the parent still and if I say no, I say
no. Okay, well we'll see about that. This is

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my life and you may watch and you're probably
gonna wanna judge. Yeah, Katherine Bryan is

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definitely back. I mean, she sort of started
out, I think I remember seeing her on kind

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of Whose Line Is It Anyway or something like
that, you know, on that kind of comedic circuit.

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And she's really, I guess, become a household
name of late. And I would say she's relatively

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marmite in terms of a comedian. I think some
people really struggle with her. And I try

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quite a lot because I think it's really brilliant
that there's a successful female comedian,

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but this is kind of the other side of her. And
this is her reality show, essentially. For

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those of you who have tuned into this before,
we'll know that this very much tracks. the

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family life and the dynamic behind closed doors
or not behind closed doors in this instance.

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So you've got her there with her husband, you've
got their two children, Fred and Fenna, and

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then you've also got her daughter Violet from
a previous relationship and that sort of kicks

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up. There's lots of interesting kind of storylines
in here that people might relate to. So for

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example, Violet, she's 15, she's a bit of a
force of nature, she doesn't want to... She's

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in GCSE years and she's not knuckling down.
She wants to do other things like, you know,

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doom scroll or, you know, do the things that
teenagers want to do essentially. She's no

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different to many others. And so you can see
his difficult relationship with her. And he

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quite, he says, I have not known her for that
long. I don't feel like I can step in and,

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you know, be really hard on her. I find that
really difficult. And he says, you know, but

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I think she, her mom, Catherine, is a bit. is
a bit kind of easy on her to which she has

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a right go at him back. And that is sort of
the premise of this. She's quite hard work,

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Catherine Myron, in this as a cohabitant, I
would suggest. She's quite, she's a force of

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nature herself. And this sees her kicking off
this 10 month comedy tour where essentially

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he takes the reins of the family life while
she goes and does stand up comedy. It's interesting

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because I always think with a lot of comedians
they're, you know, they work so hard to get

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their content and I think she has done previously
but she sort of talks about, I'm worried about

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I haven't got new content, I'm worried about
this, I'm worried about that and she has this

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real mum guilt. So whether this is kind of female
skewed, probably, there's real working mum

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guilt where they feel that they can't do enough.
The other thing... She breast feeds all the

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time. So, you know, she's getting her boobs
out all the time, frankly, all over the shop.

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She said there isn't anyone that hasn't seen
them now. And she's very sort of earth mother,

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yet a career woman. And can those two really,
really connect? And she convinced him to go

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and see a therapist. Turns out they're both
sleeping in bed with their children. So they're

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saying, you know, perhaps you need to see someone,
an intimacy counselor as well. It's very, you

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know, there's nothing sort of that they don't
talk about. I, as I say, I think Catherine

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Ryan is relatively more like for people. I mean,
I was late to our pod because I was slightly

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involved in it. I couldn't stop watching it.
So that says something. So I find it really

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quite interesting. And you do get, I don't think
she hams up with the cameras either, but Ian,

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what do you think? Interesting one, this. I
did enjoy watching it though. It kind of irritated

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me quite a lot, but. almost in a good way, if
you know what I mean. So UKTV have previously

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done Meet the Richardson's, which was about
John Richardson and his comedian partner. And

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that was very much, well, kind of scripted really
and played for laughs. Though of course they're

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not together anymore, are they? But it was about
their home life, but it was a fictional version

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deliberately. And you understood that this was,
you know, there were people acting in it as

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well. This is supposedly playing it a bit more
straight about the many family life reality

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shows we've had about celebrities. However,
Katherine Ryan does seem to be kind of crowbarring

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in potential comedic material. So she makes
a big deal out of, oh, should I be a trad wife,

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and makes some jokes about that, and dresses
up in a sort of old fashioned dress, and it's

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all a bit. It all seems a bit forced. But I
did find it interesting. I mean, she's not

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my cup of tea comedically. And I think you get
the impression she's quite a challenging personality.

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Though you're not sure how much of that is a
sort of persona that she's putting on. But

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certainly her partner, because I think they
first met when they were quite young, and then

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they sort of reunited many years later after
she'd already had a child with someone else.

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He seems quite a sort of even-tempered, mild-mannered
fellow, and she drags him to couples' counseling.

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And of course, it turns out, which is often
what happens when one partner is desperately

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keen to take the other to counseling, it turns
out that the person who was keen to go into

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the counseling is the one who's causing most
of the problems. Because you see that, and

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again, I don't know if she's putting it on,
but she just constantly speaks over him, says

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how rubbish he is at everything, and yet complains.
Now she complains that he doesn't take the

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lead, but then she says, but I'm the best leader,
so he'd be rubbish at it anyway. So, and it

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is kind of funny, I guess. I'm not sure. Well,
anyway. The teenage stuff is good, because

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obviously that dynamic of a stepfather coming
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actually being his kids. That's a really complex
and challenging dynamic, I think, especially

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for the child who has a different father. So
that was quite interesting. So I did find it

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a good watch, but I found Catherine Ryan quite
annoying. But I kind of think that in a way

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that's kind of her shtick is her comedic persona
is this kind of like brassy, overconfident

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show off. And some of that does leak in. So
you're never really sure, are they just putting

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on an act to make this good to watch? How much
of it, how much truth is there in this about

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their relationship and their family life? Also,
I'm very, it does really worry me when people

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put their very young kids into a TV show because
obviously they have no way of consenting to

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that. I think that's a dangerous road to go
down. But anyway, I did find it interesting.

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Over on Netflix. Yet more romantic fare for
you, Hannah. We have a three-part documentary

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series called Surviving Black Hawk Down. And
here's a clip. It was the most violent thing

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I've ever witnessed.

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Instruction is where I took my camera and I
press record There's no way I'm gonna live

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through this I'm gonna sit To be added in a
soul you that slowly over the horizon

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That Black Hawk was down. Black Hawk down, we
got a Black Hawk down. Yes, you may remember

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the brilliant 2001 Ridley Scott film Black Hawk
Down, which starred Josh Hartner and Ewan McGregor.

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And it was all about this infamous incident
in Mogadishu, Somalia, where, yeah, American

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forces were pinned down. Three helicopters were
shot down. And. they were going in to sort

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of target a warlord, but it turned into kind
of like a survival and rescue mission for their

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own personnel. And this is actually produced
by Scott's Production Company. And this time

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we're hearing from the people who actually took
part. And it does flesh out some quite interesting

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backstory because... The US involvement abroad
is fraught with danger, as has been proved

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many, many times over the years. But in this
case, they were helping to bring in aid, because

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basically the civil war was kind of causing
a famine. But when they started targeting this

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warlords, you hear from Somalians who had experience
of what it was like having the Americans there,

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boots on the ground. And one in particular who
explains how initially he was sort of working

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for the United Nations, but because of the way
he was treated by American troops, he turned

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and kind of supported the warlord against them.
So, yes, an extraordinary story. And by the

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end of episode one, you're just getting to the
point where so there's all this planning to

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go in with air cover from helicopters. and then
you've got a sort of cortege of military vehicles

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going in and they're gonna capture this warlord
and sort of his lieutenants, that's the idea,

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and bring them back to the American base. But
then it all starts to go horribly wrong. And

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it's interesting hearing from them, I mean these
guys, young guys who were in the military,

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and this was their first engagement, of course
they were really excited. And they didn't think

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anything could possibly go wrong because the
overwhelming force of the US personnel and

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it just very quickly all went horrifically wrong.
So yeah, it's a fascinating story. It's a well-made

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documentary series. What did you think, Hannah?
Well, do you know what? I really enjoy stuff

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like this if enjoys the right word because of
course the subject matter is pretty awful.

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But... I enjoy it because I think it just fills
part of my lack of knowledge, I guess. And

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docu-series like this are just so incredibly
interesting and the learnings and... I just

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think a lot of the stuff is sort of, you know,
when we have history lessons, you don't necessarily

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hear about everything, do you? You hear about
the big things, but this is a big thing for

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a lot of people. And you know, just seeing how,
you know, the US forces were bringing in, you

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know, aid and kind of... how it all started
and I suppose, I mean as I say, I've only seen

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the first part of this, but you're engrossed
immediately. And I think because the world

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is kind of like, I don't know, it feels a bit
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bit of a knife edge. When you watch something
like this and the horrors of, you know, situations

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like this, it just makes you realise how important
harmony is I guess. So I found it incredibly

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interesting and very well done, which is also
quite difficult, isn't it, when there's been

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a film? It's sometimes quite difficult to go
back, but I think the premise of this is slightly

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different and the way they've done it is very
different. Okay, we're going to finish with

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the return of a very popular cold case crime
drama, which is available as a box set on ITVX.

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It's Unforgotten, and here's a clip. So you
take the parts here. Head, arms, legs. Knees

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and toes, knees and toes. The killer was interrupted.
We did nothing wrong! So it's about the oldest

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motive for murder there is. I don't know why,
but when I started to watch this, I just wanted

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to cry loads of times. I don't know why it did
this to me. I don't know whether I'm just feeling

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completely, you know, in a place where I need
to cry. But I don't know. There's so much going

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on. It's like a sensory overload, I would say,
almost immediately. So we're back with Detective

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Sonny and Jess. who everybody will know from
the previous series, Sonny played by Sanjeev

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Bhaskar and DCI Jess Jones played by Sinead
Keenan. And they're fairly new into their relationship,

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but it's less brought in the series. They've
got a real respect for each other and they

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work well together, but they find that there's
a body being found in this very sort of bleak

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marshland. And I mean, all of these things,
there's no... It does what it says on the tin,

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you know, every kind of episode doesn't it or
every series kind of opens up with that You

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know something gruesome a gruesome finding and
this is this is no different But what I like

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about this and some people might not like and
I usually don't like my caveat It's kind of

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going to and from all different stories, but
I think actually that's what makes it different

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So you've got that going on over there and then
you've got the relationships because of course

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we know that DCI James, her husband, was having
an affair. She's got a really busy job. She

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gets called, she's got to go out. I think he
feels quite lonely. You see that dynamic. You

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see the fact that he was doing a meal for them
and she got called, she had to go out. She

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got home, empty bottle of wine, phone on the
table. She goes through the phone. She can't

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get into the phone, actually. The pin goes wrong.
Obviously, there's a lack of trust there as

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well. So there's kind of that going on. And
then we see a lot of refugees climbing out

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of the back of a lorry and sort of being shoved
out into the world and people picking them

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up. So there's another storyline there. So there's
a kind of a sensory overload, but it does all

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come back together, it all weaves in. I mean,
I think this is something that if you liked

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it last time, you're gonna like it this time.
It's as simple as that. It does what it says

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on the tin and it's not deviating from. And
I think that's quite sensible because there

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was a really sort of a warmth in reception for
it. So yeah, I have to say I did enjoy it.

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But as I said, I don't know why it's sort of
there was lots of emotion for me with lots

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of these things. There's lots of, well, obviously
sad stuff happening, but you go from sort of

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seeing something like a cold killing, if you
like, or is it to, you know, family situations

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and upset emotions. So, yeah. I enjoy it. What
do you think Ian? Well the same week that we

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had a new Asian detective, Verdi, arriving on
BBC One, we have the return of D.I. Sunil Khan

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played by Sanjeev Bhaskar. And I mean Unforgotten
has been very popular and highly rated, but

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I've never really got into it. I remember trying
to watch it early on when the fabulous Nicola

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Walker was the other lead. And I sort of found
the banter. between the two characters rather

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excruciating. Anyway, I did watch it this time.
And there was a lot about it that I liked.

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First up I thought, Silent Witness, you need
to up your game because they cram so many different

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storylines into the cold case. And you're thinking,
how are these all gonna come together with

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these different strands? So you've got... a
sort of right-wing GB News type commentator

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played by Myanna Buring. Okay. And then her,
her fiance is a paraplegic. Then as you say,

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Hannah, there's a refugee story and also caught
up in that is kind of about how the British

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have treated people who worked for them in countries
where they were perhaps in a war zone or wherever.

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Then you've got a history lecturer, Juliette
played by Victoria Hamilton, who I really like.

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There's a whole storyline there, kind of about
trigger warnings and that kind of thing in

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universities. I mean, I'm sure like the anti-woke
brigade are gonna be very overexcited about

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this. And then you've also got radicalization
online, which is a storyline about an autistic

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young man who's... mother who is clearly a hoarder
is played by Michelle de Triis yes from some

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others do have them many years ago. Anyway so
I kind of feel they've a bit thrown a bit too

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much at it and especially tackling all these
contentious issues you know each one of them

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on its own is like a hot potato isn't it but
yeah they certainly um they certainly give

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you bang for your buck and I shall be fascinated
to see... how it all works out. And I mean,

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meanwhile, of course, you know, you can't be
a TV detective without a troubled home life,

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as we know. So appropriately, Jess has concerns
about the fidelity of her partner. And Sunny,

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well, he's a bit lonely, really. He's trying
to kind of connect with his family, but finding

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it difficult. In fact, we start out, he's dining
on his own in a restaurant, and that kind of

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sets the tone. So yeah, I have to say I was
impressed, but I kind of feel like too many

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contentious issues competing for attention.
But yeah, I mean, I'm fascinated to see how

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it all pans out. And there was a lot about it
that I liked. Now we've got to that time, Hannah.

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Will you find out what you've been binge watching
this week? Well. you'll be pleased to hear

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that I was wanting to be in the sun because
it's so miserable here and so I've been watching

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A Place in the Sun because actually it's making
me feel like oh I don't know I just want to

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book a holiday really. Also um and I don't know
why I haven't watched this before but I haven't

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watched it for absolutely ages since Noel Edmonds
did it but I've been watching Deal or No Deal

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which of course has got the new newish presenter
Stephen Mulhern it's got exactly the same vibe.

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It's a bit like strictly, it's kind of this
overexcited behaviour by everybody who loves

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everybody. It's kind of like this commune, or
community I should say, of people. It fascinates

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me. How about you? Quite a lot of daytime TV
I noticed there, Hannah, yeah? Well there's

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a very good... Well I'm working hard Ian. There's
a very good true crime documentary series on

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Netflix, which is all about the Boston Marathon
bombings and the hunt to find the bombers.

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And that is well worth a look, I must say, an
incredible story. Now we've just got time to

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look ahead to next week's offerings. So what
is on the binge watch menu? Well, muscle bound

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crime fighter Reacher returns to face a formidable
foe on Prime Video. And the untold story of

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America's black space pioneers is recounted
in the space race on Disney+. So We look forward

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to those and much more, but in the meantime
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