Janice Porter: So let's see. Yeah, it's still saying it's
full, but it hasn't deleted what I told it to delete, but I think
it's okay. Alright. Hello and welcome to the show. I am very
excited about my guest this week, Elliot Connie, who's
coming to us from his new digs in LA but actually lives in
Texas, so we'll have to hear more about that as we get into
the show. So welcome. First of all, Elliot, welcome to the
show.
Elliot Connie: Thank you for having me
Janice Porter: My pleasure. I don't really want to just read
this whole thing about you, but I want to just because that's
boring for you and but I know there's so much about you.
You're a complicated guy. You have a lot going on. And so I
will just briefly say that when I first met you through a
friend, a new friend, he spoke very highly of you, and you
range from being a clinically trained psychotherapist to an
author, to a podcaster, to a founder of I think your your
heart work, which is your sfbt solution focused brief therapy,
which I'll get you to explain in a minute. And then I find out
that you're also a stand up comic So, and soon to be a TV
show host, so I'm very excited to hear more about it, and I
want to dig in. So let's start at the at the heart of of what
you do, because I know you have a new book that's coming out or
is about out as we as this show airs, it's probably going to be
out at the end of August. Is that correct?
Elliot Connie: No, we're going to, we're probably going to
start filming in early 2025 and it will be out, Oh,
Janice Porter: next. Okay, fantastic. And the book is
called,
Elliot Connie: oh, the book, yes. Oh, the
Janice Porter: TV show's going to start in 2025 Yeah. The book,
yes, August 26 so it will be out when, when this show airs, and
it's called, change your questions, change your future,
Elliot Connie: exactly yes. So
Janice Porter: before we get into that, let's talk about the
sfbt, because I know that's at the heart of everything that you
do, correct
Elliot Connie: Absolutely yes.
Janice Porter: So tell us a little bit about that.
Elliot Connie: So sfbt stands for solution, focused brief
therapy. And like many people, I had a very difficult childhood,
and my transition into adulthood was just not easy, and was just
loaded with very difficult times. And at some point so and
I went to college, I wanted to play baseball. Actually, I had
no aspirations professionally or career wise. It was just I was
good at baseball, and once I was done with high school, the next
place I could continue to play baseball was college.
Janice Porter: Sound like my daughter with basketball? It was
the same thing, yeah,
Elliot Connie: and baseball was like the one through line of
like joy and happiness in an otherwise pretty tumultuous
childhood. And while I was in college, I majored in marine
biology because I liked the ocean. But through a few twists
and turns, I realized like I wanted my struggle and my pain
to have a purpose, and I wanted to make a difference, and I
wanted to help people if I could, that were dealing with
hard times as well. So I changed my major from marine biology to
psychology, wow, just because I figured, like that's where I
would find journey. Didn't know I would ultimately become a
psychotherapist and all the other things you listed, I just,
I just thought, if I want to help people, I should probably
study psychology. And I did, and it was one of those things that
completely like redirected my life. And I remember getting to
the point of graduation and realizing that a psychology
degree and undergraduate psychology degree is almost
worthless, like it's nothing really you can do with it. And
towards the end of my studies, one of my professors said this
thing that I almost couldn't believe. They said that the
school I was attending, Texas, Wesleyan University, is creating
a graduate school in counseling, and we would like you to attend.
Oh, wow. And I was like, wow. Like, that is crazy. So yeah,
sign me up so I go to graduate school and learn something
unbelievably disheartening, and that is, and I don't mean to say
this to freak anybody out, but when you're in graduate school
studying to become a psychotherapist, you're actually
not learning how to help people. You're learning how to diagnose
them, and you're you're learning how to assess them. You. And
that was really difficult for me, because I really wanted to
help people, and you don't help people just by telling them
what's wrong with them, right? Like that may be a part of it,
depending on the way you do this job, but that's not inherently
how you do it. So I was really struggling, like, really, really
struggling with that. And then, I don't know, I was at a point
where I was going to quit school. I was at a point where
it's like, I'm done because I don't want to do this. And in
one class, there was a book we were reading that had a whole
bunch of psychotherapy theories. You know, there's some stuff in
this book about Sigmund, Freud, Alfred Adler, Carl young, so on
and so on. And two and a half pages of this book was about
solution focused brief therapy. And it was the first time I'd
ever read anything that sounded to me like, Oh, you're like,
actually helping people. And I was mesmerized by it. I later
learned that it's kind of like the the like off in the corner,
fringe, kind of way of doing therapy at the time, like most
people weren't practicing this way, or most people didn't know
what this was, but I was just enamored. Like the most
important ingredient to change is hope, and solution focused
brief therapy is an approach based on hope, and now I'm
finally reading about that, and it made me decide not to quit
graduate school, to stay the course. I'm so glad I did,
because it completely changed my life. And a little bit about
what solution focused brief therapy is, if you've ever been
to therapy, the first question your therapist likely asked you
is, what brings you in. And the difficulty with that is, if I
start a question off with what brings you in, then I'm
naturally orienting your brain to the problem. So let's say
like what brings you in is you discovered your partner having
an affair, and you walked in my office, I don't know you at all,
and I say, So what brings you in? You have to talk about the
most traumatic, difficult, hardest thing, like,
immediately. So what if we started therapy with, what are
your best hopes from being here? Like, what if we started therapy
with hoping to achieve now that you're here, we're still aware
that the problem is there, but we're actually going to start
the work from a place of optimism, hope, and those are
the ways that you create change. And I've spent my career
traveling around the world, writing books, doing all kinds
of things to make clinicians and people more aware that this is
actually how you create change in your life.
Janice Porter: So have you had pushback from the
traditionalists, or have you, have you opened people's eyes to
a new way of of be doing therapy.
Elliot Connie: I think, I think the answer to that is yes, both
have happened. I've had pushback from the traditionalists. I
remember I was one of my first jobs in this field when I
graduated and I got my license. And, you know, I was working as
a psychotherapist at an agency. I eventually opened my own
practice, but my first place of work was at this agency, and I
remember, and I was so excited about the work I was doing. And,
you know, sometimes you're so excited, you're like,
delusionally excited, yeah, assume everybody else will be
just as excited as you right? And I was so excited. And I was
in this staff meeting, and I was talking about the work that I do
with this, you know, sfbt. And there was this woman in the in
the room who was a very seasoned psychotherapist, and she got
really annoyed with me, and she said, everybody knows that you
can't do therapy that way, and everybody knows that you you
have to spend three sessions assessing the client problem.
And I was and she was like, really, like, yelling at me in
front of everybody about about this. And that's been, you know,
that has happened. But you know, when you believe in what you do
and you believe in people, you just carry on. And I think I've
also opened a lot of eyes. And now solution focused, brief
therapy isn't just off in the corner of the psychotherapy
field. It's very much mainstream, and part of that is
because of the massive following that I've been able to build in
my in my work. So yeah, there were definitely people that
struggle to understand but once you experience it, you can't,
you can't unexperience it. So,
Janice Porter: so the other thing, the other question that
comes to my mind when you just said that it was hope based.
It's funny, because I have this, this thing about the word hope,
and sometimes it and obviously not in your in your realm, but
you. Maybe I don't know. Like, for me, hope can sometimes be a
negative term. Like, you know you can hope for the best. You
can hope that things will change. But is that, is hope
enough? Like, do you know what I'm getting at? Because
sometimes I'll change people's wording on things and say No,
don't say hope, say we will, or I want, like, speak in the in
the positive. So can you talk to me about that?
Elliot Connie: Yeah, no, I don't think hope can ever be a
negative, to be very honest. Yeah, well, that's
Janice Porter: why I'm asking you, okay, yeah, but, but I,
Elliot Connie: I think your point is well made. I think
sometimes I think wishing and hope. Sometimes get confused,
but I can't create change without some level of hope. So I
might be like, you know, I'm hoping for a million dollars,
yeah. Well, now we have to turn that into action like so what
are you doing to help that hope become true. And how would you
notice that that hope was becoming true? I think what
you're saying is like, the word wish is like, I just wish $4
million which makes it kind of sound like I'm just going to sit
here and wait for it. Yeah, yes, yes, this guy and land on my
lap. But I don't think hope is, is ever a negative, because we
need it like it if, if I I wouldn't have gotten out of bed
today if I didn't have some hope that something good could
possibly happen today. So that level of hope, which is that's
what got me out of bed. If I knew if you get out of bed
today, there's a 100% certainty that's going to be the worst day
of your life. I never would have gotten out of bed, right, right?
So, like, hope is just a key ingredient that always needs to
be there. Yeah,
Janice Porter: okay, fair enough. Fair enough. And you
talk about, in your work, you talk about everybody having a
superpower, yeah? And I love that, and I saw a little
interview you did on Monday morning, morning, Monday
motivational Mondays or something on a television
station, and she was pretty hyped up and motivating herself,
but she was asking you about that. And I liked it because do
you find that the work that you do you're that you are trying to
help the person find their superpower inside, that you
know, that struggle that they're going through, yeah,
Elliot Connie: like we live in such a weird world where most
people are unaware of their superpower. You're so busy
comparing yourself to other people. True like that might not
be your thing. Like I was watching the Olympics over the
past couple weeks too, and I saw an Olympic gymnast named Simone
Biles, and what she can do with her body, I know, is
unbelievable to me. She she can just do things that are just
now, if I compare myself to to that, and I'm like, I can't even
do flight of stairs. Yeah, and she's but that might, might not
be my gift. That just happens to be her gift. But, like, I've
written six books, maybe she's not a very good writer, and
that's like. So what we end up doing is we spend so much of our
time comparing ourselves to other people and their gifts,
and we end up feeling bad about us and our own gifts. And then
the other thing that happens that I think is really dangerous
is, if I were to say to you, like, let's say, you know, you
and I are hanging out, Janice. And I said, Man, I just, I just
realized I'm the greatest writer in the world. You're likely to
say to me, all right, calm down, Mr. Arrogance. Like, like, tone
it down a little and and I think, why not let people bask
in their own confidence and in their own joy, and who cares if
I'm wrong? But what's wrong with me thinking I'm the greatest
writer in the world that might create the motivation and the
momentum I need to write the book or to write that blog, and
Janice Porter: we talk about people, at least in the world
that I'm in one of my businesses, that there's a lot
of personal development stuff that goes on and, and they talk
a lot about I am statements and and affirmations and things like
that, and, and so to say it is to believe it and to say it,
right? And so of course, yes, yeah. And
Elliot Connie: why not say I'm the best mom in the world? Or
why not say I'm the best drawer in the world? Yeah, I mean, but
we have a tendency. There was actually some research done
several years ago that when people make a statement about
their biggest goals and dreams, the people around. Around them
say something discouraging about it, thinking that it's care. So
it's hard for us to find where our areas of brilliance are,
because people are so busy trying to have you not feel good
about yourself. You
Janice Porter: know, you just reminded me of something too
that like my I have a little granddaughter who's five, and
she is a bit of a daredevil, and believe she can do anything,
yes, and to see that and to see how long that will last, right?
Because we, we do. We tend to squeeze that out of them as they
grow up. And I hope that doesn't happen. But yeah, she's I can do
that, I can do that. I can do that right? And, like, just
because she's five, you know?
Elliot Connie: And the world, like, if I if a five year old
said, I want to grow up and become an astronaut, and I said,
You can't do that. That's too hard. Yeah, I look like a jerk
saying that to a five year old, yeah, but for some reason, if a
17 year old said it, and I said, You can't do that. You're that's
too hard. I don't look like a jerk. And I think the goal
should be whatever your five year old granddaughter is doing.
The goal should be to have her hold on to that feeling of not
invincibility necessarily, but that feeling of like I can do
anything to hold on to that right, as long as humanly
possible, absolutely,
Janice Porter: and it's just, and that's belief in yourself,
right? And that's learning that that's what that is, is part of
it too, right? So tell me a little bit about your new book.
Change your questions, change your future. Because I think I
love the title, and I think, yeah, I want to hear more. Well,
Elliot Connie: the work that I do solution focused brief
therapy is based on questions. It's a psychotherapy that is
based on the therapist asking the client questions that help
them transform their life and how they live it. And for the
last 20 years, I've been working with one of my colleagues, guy
named Dr Adam froh, and so much amazing transformation has been
happening in our work with our clients. We've been we've been
talking for all these years about, like, how could we
somehow, like, bottle that and expose the world to it? Like,
how could we some like, how could we do this? Because the
truth is, the questions you ask yourself. Like, we all know that
self talk is a really important aspect of someone's mental
health, but within self talk, specifically, the kind of
questions you ask yourself are highly determinate in what kind
of life you lead. So Adam and I have been talking for years
about, like, how do we like do this in a way, so that people
could enjoy it in their own time, like they don't
necessarily have to go to therapy to experience that
transformation. And that was really the idea for the book.
And then eventually we got into a position where someone was
willing to publish it and and that's what this book does. Like
it teaches you how to ask the kind of questions that lead
towards a massive transformation in your life.
Janice Porter: So when you said, if you don't necessarily have to
go to therapy to you know, make this transformation happen, you
would have to, I think, if you're troubled by something and
you don't believe you can do something, and then you change
the questions for yourself, you still would have a lot to
overcome to to change the actual what's going on in there. Would
you not?
Elliot Connie: Well, you, you would. And I'm not trying to
discourage people out of there. No,
Janice Porter: of course not. Because you're a therapist, I
Elliot Connie: get it, yeah, like, of course you have things
to overcome, but you can read a book, watch a movie, yes, and it
can or anything else, and be inspired to overcome whatever
those obstacles are. Like therapy doesn't have to be the
only way that you create change. This
Janice Porter: is true. This is true. So with what's going on in
your world right now, because I know that you have a TV show
that's about to happen, that you're going to start filming
and will be airing next year, early next year, how much time
are you spending helping people through your mental through the
therapist position?
Elliot Connie: People ask me that often, and they're always
surprised by my answer, and that is, I still see clients every
week. Wow, okay, because I love it, like, that's still, I mean,
I've, I've
Janice Porter: got the heart and soul of what you do. Yeah,
Elliot Connie: I travel and lecture, I write books and TV
projects and all of these things, but that's still the
heart and soul of not just what I do, but like, who I am as a
person. So I still see clients one on one. I i sit down on zoom
from whatever hotel I'm staying at or wherever I'm at, and it's
still the foundation of my life.
Janice Porter: Well, that's good to hear, because then you're
still spreading the work and getting the helping as many
people as you can. Yeah. So I find it also interesting when
somebody who's come from a difficult upbringing, you. And
had to be. You had to overcome to get to a to get to college,
to have a degree, to become these things. Did you as a
child, think, did you have aspirations like that? No, you
said, no. You wanted to be a baseball player. So, but even
that, you know, you have to have the willpower and so on to
overcome what you're going through at home. Yes, so how,
how does that? You know, how do you do that?
Elliot Connie: Oh, boy, that's a really good question, and I'm
not sure anybody's ever asked me it quite that way. I didn't
realize I was doing it until after I did it. Okay, like,
while it was happening, if I'm being very honest with you, I
was just trying to get through each day, sure, like, I
certainly was not aware of my strength or resilience or, you
know, while it was happening. Was just, I was just like trying
to get through each day. I really wasn't great at thinking
about what I'm going to do when I'm an adult, because I was so
busy focusing on,
Janice Porter: Were you busy trying to survive? Because I
think I understand you don't have to get into it, but that
your dad was the difficult one. But yeah, and so your mom kind
of straddled, I'm guessing, between keeping the peace and
looking after you. And you have siblings, I'm not sure, two
siblings, yeah, and and then so, and it would have affected all
of you differently, but, yeah, I don't know. I'm just curious,
because it takes, yeah, I,
Elliot Connie: I was trying to survive, and emotionally more so
than physical. I mean, there was some there were lots of physical
things that were happening, but it was just an emotional
challenge. But I can tell you, the moment I realized, like, oh
my gosh, I think I might be stronger than the average
person. And I don't mean that to put down anybody else, but there
was a was a moment when I realized, in order for me to be
where I am, I have to have some level of strength. I had never
really thought about that before, and it happened in my
second year of college. I was really depressed, like really
struggling, and I was comparing myself to all these other people
and everybody else, their their parents would like, send them
money. You know, back then there was no PayPal or cash app. You
had to, like, you know, you had to, like, write your college
child a check and mail it. And my buddies would all go to the
mailbox and open a letter, and they'd be like, Wow, my mom sent
me 20 bucks. And yeah, and I just didn't have things like
that in my life. And one day, it hit me that a lot of the people
around me had significantly more advantages than I had, like,
infinitely more advantages than I had, and I had, like every
disadvantage you could possibly have, and somehow I ended up at
the same university, right that they did. I ended up taking the
same classes that they were taking, living in the same dorm
room that, or dorm building they were living in. And I just
thought that must say something about me that's positive. Maybe
my ability to endure, overcome, handle difficult things, maybe
my ability to do these things has been honed through fire, and
for the first time in my life, I was proud to come from the
struggle that I came from, where I used to hide it. I used to I
didn't want anybody to know because I was ashamed. But that
one thought in one instant, in one moment, like a light bulb,
yeah, and it was like, I think, I think I can pat myself on the
back for being strong, because if I wasn't strong, I wouldn't
be, I wouldn't be where I am.
Janice Porter: Well, that was, do you see that as a turning
point? Yeah, for sure, absolutely, yeah. So I wrote
something down that that I heard you say in something I listened
to and you said to you, I am an overcomer, yes, right? And you
and then I wrote this quote down because I love this. Your rear
view mirror is littered with examples of your epicness. We
just have to remember to look, or you just have to remember to
look. I love that. That was so cool, because that was your
place where you learned that you you've overcome all, all of this
in your rear view mirror, everything that was there, but
now you know you're strong enough to and resilient enough
to to carry on and do what you want to do.
Elliot Connie: That's right. Like, once I believe that about
myself, yes, then I, like, I can now take on the next challenge.
Like, because I when you look in your past and everyone, everyone
look, I. Sure that everyone who's listening. You all have
mistakes in your past. There are things you're ashamed of, there
are things you're embarrassed by. I'm sure all that's true,
but there's also evidence of your greatness. There's also
evidence of your brilliance. There's also a challenge you
overcome, a difficult thing you succeeded through. There's this
a wonderful accomplishment that you have. And we have a tendency
to take accomplishment for granted and take accountability
for mistakes. In fact, adults even encourage this, but like,
if you make a mistake, how many times have people said you need
to own your mistakes? Well, yeah, that's true, but how many
times do people say you need to own your greatness? Because
that's equally true. So when you accomplish something like you
get an A in school, or you, you know, have a successful
business, or lose 10 pounds, or whatever it is, remember to take
credit for the thing you accomplished, right, and you
will be much more able to handle whatever obstacles are thrown
your way. I'm now convinced I can overcome anything thrown at
me simply because I have a history of overcoming everything
thrown at me.
Janice Porter: I love that. That's so cool. Okay, Let's
lighten things up. A little bit. I watched you do some stand up
comedy. Yes, at the improv. Yeah, right. Tell me about that.
So are you? Are you a closet comedian, or what,
Elliot Connie: a little bit, little bit more out than
closeted. But what happened, my TV show was being executive
produced by a woman named Tiffany Haddish. Oh, really.
Okay, and we, we were working on on the show, and the development
for, like, talk about
Janice Porter: overcoming. Yeah, that woman is,
Elliot Connie: she is the poster child for overcoming totally.
And we were, we were talking one day, and she said, you should
try stand up. And I was like, Absolutely not. Like, No way.
I'm not doing stand up. It's not something I ever desired to do
whatever like me not writing the book, right? She said, but
you're really funny. You should try. Stan said, no way. So a
little time goes by and I was actually with her. She was doing
stand up someplace, and she said, Will you introduce me? And
I said, Sure. And she said, you know, in order to introduce me,
you have to do five minutes of comedy. And I said, well, then
never mind. I'm not going to do it. Thank you, smart, yeah. And
she was so disappointed in me that I wouldn't do it. I said to
her, alright, Tiffany, I promise you the next time you ask me,
I'll do it. And a few months later, she's like, Alright, I'm
asking you now. I'm going on the road. I'm going to San Jose,
California. I want you to come with me and perform. I had never
performed before, but I'm not foreign to taking stages and
Exactly.
Janice Porter: And I got that from the little bit that I saw
too. You were very comfortable on stage. Yeah, yeah.
Elliot Connie: So I went, and it was so much fun, and I've now
done it, you know, 50 times, maybe, like, I've done it lots.
Oh, that's outrageous, um, but it was all because Tiffany,
Tiffany has this amazing gift, like, I hope everyone and I hope
people are experiencing the gift Tiffany has through this
podcast. Tiffany has this amazing gift that she can see a
skill or talent that someone else has, and she becomes an
advocate to that skill or talent, whether, if, like, if
you are singing around Tiffany and she can hear you sing,
she'll be like, You should do that. I want you to go write a
song and sing it for me, see if I can play it for, like, some
music producers that I know, like she's, she's
Janice Porter: just that way. He wants to help people too,
obviously,
Elliot Connie: yeah, and I, and I think, I think having friends
like that, having people in your life like that, that's why I
said a whole people experiences. I hope, through this podcast,
someone becomes more aware of what their own talent and
brilliance is, and they do something to pursue it, because
I think that's what makes life so amazing. How did you meet
her? We so it's funny. The woman who discovered me, some woman
and someone in LA saw my YouTube work that's literally just about
psychotherapy, and they thought, Man, this guy would be really
good on a TV show about psychotherapy. And that woman
who is now my my manager, knows Tiffany Haddish from years ago,
and they bumped into each other about, you know, six months into
me having like, all of this happening, and heard about the
work I was doing, and said, I want to be a part of his TV
show. So, and then when I met Tiffany, we just, we just
clicked. We just instantly clicked,
Janice Porter: well, and there are no accidents. No, I don't
know. So no, I don't either. So that's, that's very special.
Thank you for sharing that and and the joke that I heard you
tell was funny, too. Thank you. Do you remember? You know what
I'm thinking of.
Elliot Connie: No, okay, so
Janice Porter: you were 11 years old, and you'd moved to a new
school, and it was the first white family you'd ever met, and
Eric, your friend, your new friend, took you home, right?
Yeah. It was a funny story that people have to go find it. I'll
have to put it on, yeah. But it was, it was funny, and it was,
it was, um, well told as well. So well that that poses another
question for me, because now that you've done this several
times, where do you get your material? Do you actually write
your material? Do
Elliot Connie: you, yeah, actually do that? And I tell
stuff, like real stuff for my for my life, like that situation
with my friend was real. That's real stuff for my life. That's
Janice Porter: the best stuff. When it's real, it's the best.
Well, okay, this has been so much fun. So we were serious. We
had a little fun. I'm just going to wrap it up with a couple of
quick questions that I just like to find out, because I am
curious. And my my most Well, my favorite question to ask is, and
it'd be interesting asking you actually, because my favorite
word is curiosity, and I want to know if you think curiosity is
innate or learned. And second part of the question is, what
are you most curious about these days?
Elliot Connie: I do think curiosity is innate. One of the
first things we have as newborn children is curiosity, and
that's how we discover the world around us. I think as adults, we
have to develop what I call empathic curiosity, and because
curiosity is if I said to you, Janice, where'd you get that
shirt? I'm asking selfishly because I want to know where you
got that shirt, because I might want to go get that shirt too,
right? Empathic curiosity is like, it's not so much. I'm
asking because I want the information for my own needs.
I'm asking because I want you to hear the answer to the that
you're going to give to the question, because I think the
answer will make you feel better.
Unknown: I do that. I
Elliot Connie: love that. Yes. So a question that might do that
might be Janice. How did you know you would look so nice in
that shirt? Because the as you answer that question, you're
kind of giving yourself a compliment, and being able to
ask people questions, not just because you want to know the
answer, but you want them to hear themselves give the answer.
That's another level of curiosity that I think the
Janice Porter: best answer I've ever gotten that's so good,
yeah, I
Elliot Connie: so I call it empathic curiosity. Empathic
curiosity.
Janice Porter: I love it. Okay? And what are you most curious
about today?
Elliot Connie: Um, wow, that's a good question. I'm most curious
about blessings. I'm I'm so interested to see what the next
blessing will be, where it will come from, what shape it will
take. And just, I'm really excited, also curious about
whatever it is around the corner. I
Janice Porter: love it. That's amazing. And you know what?
There are great things coming for you. Still around the
corner, I can tell I just yeah, there's lots going on for you.
So where can people find you?
Elliot Connie: You can find me on my website, at Elliot
connie.com make sure you spell my name with 2l and two T's,
Elliot connie.com or you can find me on all of the social
media platforms at Elliot speaks, Instagram, Facebook, X
threads.
Janice Porter: I'll put all that in the show notes. So that's
Yeah, okay. Well, I this has been amazing, and I appreciate
your time, and I appreciate you and your wisdom for everything
that you've shared with us. And I wish you well with your new
book. I wish you well with your new TV show, and I'll be a fan
and checking it out if I'm able to see it, because I'm in
Canada, so who knows, right? But we'll, we'll stay in touch and
make sure that that happens. So thank you again, and thank you
to my audience, and all that information will be in the show
notes, so you can follow Elliot and watch him his next blessing.
Elliot Connie: Thank you so much for having me. You.