1 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,464 Welcome to Heaven Earth Church. 2 00:00:07,512 --> 00:00:09,416 My name is Ross Stackhouse. 3 00:00:09,448 --> 00:00:12,680 I'm the founding pastor of Heaven Earth Church. 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,632 From the beginning, our heart was to be a church for people who 5 00:00:16,656 --> 00:00:18,696 don't fit neatly into church. 6 00:00:18,888 --> 00:00:22,712 Our heart is to meet people where they are, to learn their stories, 7 00:00:22,856 --> 00:00:24,072 to honor their stories. 8 00:00:24,136 --> 00:00:27,568 Because in every human story is God's story. 9 00:00:27,744 --> 00:00:31,120 In this podcast, you'll hear more about the people who now call 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,768 Heaven Earth Church home. 11 00:00:32,824 --> 00:00:36,800 Their stories, in many cases of misfits who are discovering or 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,096 rediscovering faith. 13 00:00:38,208 --> 00:00:41,808 If you want to know more about us, you can go to heavenorthchurch.org 14 00:00:41,984 --> 00:00:45,340 Otherwise, we invite you now into the story. 15 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:48,448 Hello, good people. 16 00:00:48,504 --> 00:00:53,402 Brad Miller here, the producer of the Heaven Earth Church podcast. 17 00:00:53,576 --> 00:00:57,142 One of the main benefits of being a part of the Heaven Earth 18 00:00:57,206 --> 00:01:03,254 Church community is our Sunday morning conversations taught by founding 19 00:01:03,302 --> 00:01:05,850 pastor Ross Stackhouse. 20 00:01:06,430 --> 00:01:11,450 You can watch and participate in the Sunday morning conversation 21 00:01:11,790 --> 00:01:20,490 this Sunday morning, 9:30am Eastern time at YouTube.com heavenerthchurch. 22 00:01:21,190 --> 00:01:26,174 The audio version of the Sunday morning conversation is available 23 00:01:26,262 --> 00:01:31,118 here on the podcast, which you can find at Apple Podcasts, Spotify 24 00:01:31,294 --> 00:01:39,486 and on the website, which is heavenearthchurch.org this is part 25 00:01:39,558 --> 00:01:45,518 three of the Essentials message series, Grace and the Great 26 00:01:45,574 --> 00:01:48,780 Commandments with Pastor Ross Stackhouse. 27 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:58,472 Well, let's have a moment of silence and then prayer and then 28 00:01:58,496 --> 00:02:00,300 we'll have some conversation. 29 00:02:15,770 --> 00:02:26,430 Lord, I ask that you would help us to see, help us to feel again, 30 00:02:27,130 --> 00:02:28,430 to believe again. 31 00:02:31,210 --> 00:02:37,266 If our hearts have become hardened, if we have become jaded, 32 00:02:37,298 --> 00:02:45,372 Lord, soften our hearts, renew us so that we can plug into the beautiful 33 00:02:45,436 --> 00:02:52,600 things that you have for us, namely your extraordinary love. 34 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:57,280 Thank you for revealing that love to us in Jesus. 35 00:02:58,500 --> 00:03:00,172 It's in his name we pray. 36 00:03:00,316 --> 00:03:01,200 Amen. 37 00:03:02,180 --> 00:03:05,532 All right, so now we're going to take Angela Spiel. 38 00:03:05,596 --> 00:03:08,560 There's a quiz, by the way today, so hope you were paying attention. 39 00:03:09,310 --> 00:03:10,278 It's kind of a. 40 00:03:10,334 --> 00:03:11,606 Do you want to go to law school? 41 00:03:11,678 --> 00:03:12,934 Well, we'll give you a little taste. 42 00:03:12,982 --> 00:03:19,750 All right, so if you don't know. 43 00:03:19,790 --> 00:03:23,510 So here's the context when you hear in the New Testament, when someone 44 00:03:23,550 --> 00:03:27,926 asks Jesus about the law, like what's the most important commandment 45 00:03:27,958 --> 00:03:31,750 or piece of instruction in the law that refers to the first five 46 00:03:31,790 --> 00:03:32,870 books of the Bible? 47 00:03:33,030 --> 00:03:36,170 Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. 48 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,240 They were instructions that were supposed to be a sort of way 49 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,180 of life for God's people, the Israelites. 50 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,980 Now, in Jesus's time, there are different groups of people who 51 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,144 had their views about how do you follow that law? 52 00:03:52,232 --> 00:03:54,496 And what do you pay attention to? 53 00:03:54,648 --> 00:03:58,240 Some people thought that you paid attention to the law and the 54 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,820 commentary on the law. 55 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,180 Anybody know what party that was? 56 00:04:04,980 --> 00:04:06,360 Starts with a P? 57 00:04:07,380 --> 00:04:09,840 The Pharisees. 58 00:04:10,340 --> 00:04:14,012 They thought that, hey, we can pay attention to the law and the 59 00:04:14,036 --> 00:04:15,212 commentary on the law. 60 00:04:15,316 --> 00:04:19,980 There was another sort of party that said, nuh, it's just the 61 00:04:20,020 --> 00:04:20,812 law, baby. 62 00:04:20,876 --> 00:04:22,160 No commentary. 63 00:04:22,820 --> 00:04:26,160 They were the Sadducees. 64 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:30,440 Did you know that there was a two party system in Jesus time? 65 00:04:31,210 --> 00:04:34,098 Kind of not the same thing, but similar. 66 00:04:34,154 --> 00:04:34,978 Right, Andy? 67 00:04:35,074 --> 00:04:36,230 Similar, yeah. 68 00:04:38,010 --> 00:04:45,970 So in the law here in the last book, you have that phrase, why did 69 00:04:46,010 --> 00:04:46,882 that happen? 70 00:04:47,066 --> 00:04:48,434 Nope, nope, nope. 71 00:04:48,482 --> 00:04:49,550 We don't want that. 72 00:04:49,930 --> 00:04:50,578 Go back. 73 00:04:50,634 --> 00:04:51,550 Thank you. 74 00:04:52,730 --> 00:04:55,990 So commandments, regulations and case laws. 75 00:04:56,980 --> 00:04:59,852 That is something that's so important when you read the Bible. 76 00:04:59,996 --> 00:05:01,964 What I've seen is where this applies. 77 00:05:02,092 --> 00:05:05,916 People have read instructions in the Old Testament like they're 78 00:05:05,948 --> 00:05:10,332 all the same, like they all have the same weight and they do 79 00:05:10,356 --> 00:05:10,920 not. 80 00:05:12,180 --> 00:05:15,660 Some things in the Old Testaments, in Old Testament are 81 00:05:15,700 --> 00:05:16,400 stone. 82 00:05:17,860 --> 00:05:20,960 They're commandments, statutes. 83 00:05:21,950 --> 00:05:29,318 Some things are sand, regulations, and some things are 84 00:05:29,374 --> 00:05:30,774 the water, the case law. 85 00:05:30,862 --> 00:05:34,950 They do not all have the same weight or place in the first five 86 00:05:34,990 --> 00:05:35,286 books. 87 00:05:35,318 --> 00:05:36,370 Are you with me? 88 00:05:36,670 --> 00:05:37,766 You follow me? 89 00:05:37,918 --> 00:05:40,370 I want to make sure that you get this today. 90 00:05:41,230 --> 00:05:43,958 So it's not the same, but we have a. 91 00:05:44,094 --> 00:05:47,370 In our time, it's not dissimilar. 92 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,600 We have laws, right? 93 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,780 We have this thing called the Constitution. 94 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:53,580 Have you heard of it? 95 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,352 I hear some of your wheels turning. 96 00:05:58,416 --> 00:05:59,180 Hold on. 97 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,600 We have regulations that come from departments in the government, 98 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,632 like the Department of Insurance. 99 00:06:09,696 --> 00:06:11,024 Thank you, Director of Compliance. 100 00:06:11,072 --> 00:06:12,300 I appreciate that. 101 00:06:13,170 --> 00:06:18,950 Then we have case laws, which there's a court that made a decision 102 00:06:19,970 --> 00:06:25,002 that sort of is a commentary on how to live out the law and that 103 00:06:25,026 --> 00:06:25,914 sets a precedent. 104 00:06:25,962 --> 00:06:27,190 Are you still with me? 105 00:06:27,730 --> 00:06:28,630 All right. 106 00:06:29,410 --> 00:06:32,778 The same is somewhat true in the Bible. 107 00:06:32,874 --> 00:06:34,390 So we're going to play a little game. 108 00:06:35,250 --> 00:06:39,430 Is it statute, commandment, regulation or case law? 109 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,208 I only have three examples, so it's not that fun. 110 00:06:43,344 --> 00:06:45,528 I know that you were dying to play this game today. 111 00:06:45,664 --> 00:06:48,952 I know Heather was like, I hope we play statute, case law or 112 00:06:48,976 --> 00:06:49,740 regulation. 113 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,620 It's a favorite game. 114 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,152 Now if there are some poor persons among you, say one of your 115 00:06:56,176 --> 00:06:58,664 fellow Israelites in one of your cities in the land that the 116 00:06:58,672 --> 00:07:00,340 Lord God is giving you. 117 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:06,140 Don't be hard hearted or tight fisted toward your poor fellow Israelites. 118 00:07:07,700 --> 00:07:11,532 To the contrary, open your hand wide to them. 119 00:07:11,556 --> 00:07:14,920 You must generously lend to them whatever they need. 120 00:07:17,540 --> 00:07:22,284 But watch yourself, make sure no wicked thought crosses your mind. 121 00:07:22,372 --> 00:07:24,748 Such as the seventh year is coming. 122 00:07:24,804 --> 00:07:25,788 What's the seventh year? 123 00:07:25,844 --> 00:07:29,680 Every seventh year, there was some bit of debt cancellation. 124 00:07:30,180 --> 00:07:32,778 That's in the Bible, you betcha. 125 00:07:32,964 --> 00:07:37,262 And then every 49 years, almost 50 years, there was something 126 00:07:37,286 --> 00:07:42,382 called the jubilee, where the whole society gets reset, debts are 127 00:07:42,406 --> 00:07:43,170 forgiven. 128 00:07:44,230 --> 00:07:45,662 Slaves who are. 129 00:07:45,766 --> 00:07:47,010 It's not slave. 130 00:07:47,510 --> 00:07:49,710 Slavery like we think of in our time is more. 131 00:07:49,750 --> 00:07:51,742 You indebted yourself to someone and it paid off. 132 00:07:51,766 --> 00:07:53,650 You became their servant. 133 00:07:54,150 --> 00:07:56,814 Slaves get released, land gets reset. 134 00:07:56,942 --> 00:08:00,480 It was also called the year of the Lord's favorite. 135 00:08:00,670 --> 00:08:04,284 There was a guy by the name of Jesus who said, the spirit of the 136 00:08:04,292 --> 00:08:05,324 Lord is upon me. 137 00:08:05,412 --> 00:08:07,852 It has anointed me to preach good news to the poor, recovery of 138 00:08:07,876 --> 00:08:10,316 sight to the blind, released to the captives, to let the oppressed 139 00:08:10,348 --> 00:08:14,640 go free and to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor. 140 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:17,720 So this person's like, hey, are these people? 141 00:08:18,420 --> 00:08:20,840 Don't be thinking to yourself, the seventh year is coming. 142 00:08:21,700 --> 00:08:24,044 So I'm not going to loan to them right now because they're going 143 00:08:24,052 --> 00:08:25,560 to get it canceled in a month. 144 00:08:26,950 --> 00:08:30,366 If you do that, they'll cry out to the Lord and you will be guilty 145 00:08:30,398 --> 00:08:30,862 of sin. 146 00:08:30,926 --> 00:08:35,970 Is this a statute, case law or regulation? 147 00:08:39,990 --> 00:08:41,010 Tucker? 148 00:08:44,470 --> 00:08:45,518 Case law. 149 00:08:45,654 --> 00:08:47,570 I had to think about there for a minute. 150 00:08:49,190 --> 00:08:51,450 Okay, we got to vote for case law. 151 00:08:52,950 --> 00:08:54,290 You think regulation? 152 00:08:55,990 --> 00:08:57,650 Angela thinks regulation. 153 00:09:02,150 --> 00:09:03,262 Trick question. 154 00:09:03,446 --> 00:09:04,830 There's a little bit of both in here. 155 00:09:04,870 --> 00:09:08,770 Perhaps the first part might be more regulation. 156 00:09:10,070 --> 00:09:11,614 So you have the stone. 157 00:09:11,662 --> 00:09:13,130 What's the stone here? 158 00:09:13,510 --> 00:09:19,622 What's the law that you can't see here, that the regulation is 159 00:09:19,646 --> 00:09:22,790 kind of filling in and saying, like, this is how you need to stay 160 00:09:22,830 --> 00:09:24,070 in the boundaries of that law. 161 00:09:24,110 --> 00:09:25,250 What law is it? 162 00:09:28,590 --> 00:09:29,650 What was it? 163 00:09:30,030 --> 00:09:33,210 Uh, oh, love your neighbor as yourself. 164 00:09:33,870 --> 00:09:37,090 That, my friends, is the stone in this case. 165 00:09:37,550 --> 00:09:39,222 And it ain't just any stone. 166 00:09:39,286 --> 00:09:44,356 I was gonna get two big old stones from outside, but they're 167 00:09:44,388 --> 00:09:46,212 covered in stone and frozen to the ground. 168 00:09:46,316 --> 00:09:49,400 So imagine that these are stones. 169 00:09:51,180 --> 00:09:52,868 In fact, we wouldn't be far off. 170 00:09:52,924 --> 00:09:54,740 Jesus said he, we're going to talk about this. 171 00:09:54,780 --> 00:09:58,980 He says, there are two great commands, and the whole law and prophets 172 00:09:59,060 --> 00:10:00,480 depend on these two. 173 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:05,236 Number one, love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul 174 00:10:05,268 --> 00:10:06,120 and strength. 175 00:10:07,020 --> 00:10:07,892 Hear, O God. 176 00:10:07,956 --> 00:10:08,836 Hear, O Israel. 177 00:10:08,868 --> 00:10:10,320 The Lord your God is one. 178 00:10:10,660 --> 00:10:13,260 Shall love him with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. 179 00:10:13,420 --> 00:10:17,116 Stone one, there are stones and then there are stones. 180 00:10:17,228 --> 00:10:18,960 Just like our Constitution. 181 00:10:19,380 --> 00:10:22,200 We got, like, laws, but then we have the Bill of Rights. 182 00:10:23,140 --> 00:10:24,620 Those are the big stones. 183 00:10:24,780 --> 00:10:26,012 Freedom of speech. 184 00:10:26,156 --> 00:10:27,960 Big one, Right. 185 00:10:28,340 --> 00:10:35,996 Second stone is like, it Jesus says, you shall love your neighbor 186 00:10:36,028 --> 00:10:37,054 as yourself. 187 00:10:37,252 --> 00:10:42,630 The law and the prophets, everything depends on those two. 188 00:10:45,490 --> 00:10:47,210 The stone is love your neighbor. 189 00:10:47,290 --> 00:10:54,110 The regulation is that the case law might be there was a situation 190 00:10:54,770 --> 00:10:59,790 in the community where somebody lent some money to somebody 191 00:11:01,010 --> 00:11:03,194 or was kind of stingy about lending money. 192 00:11:03,282 --> 00:11:06,816 There was a conflict that arose because there was a money loan 193 00:11:06,848 --> 00:11:07,536 of some kind. 194 00:11:07,608 --> 00:11:10,500 And then that seventh year came up, and then there was a dispute. 195 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,688 The court made a ruling. 196 00:11:12,864 --> 00:11:14,352 This is how you should do it. 197 00:11:14,456 --> 00:11:15,420 Case law. 198 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,936 Now, this is probably more regulation. 199 00:11:18,128 --> 00:11:19,392 Let's do. 200 00:11:19,576 --> 00:11:20,928 Do you love this game or what? 201 00:11:20,984 --> 00:11:22,832 Statute, regulation or case law? 202 00:11:22,856 --> 00:11:24,940 Is this the best game you've ever played in your life? 203 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:26,384 My gosh. 204 00:11:26,432 --> 00:11:29,260 You can play it at home with your friends on a Friday night. 205 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,760 Michael, we could do piles, and then we could do statute, case 206 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:34,820 law, regulation. 207 00:11:39,850 --> 00:11:40,866 All right, here we go. 208 00:11:40,938 --> 00:11:42,270 You ready for this one? 209 00:11:42,730 --> 00:11:45,522 Here's the rule concerning a person who killed someone and is 210 00:11:45,546 --> 00:11:48,030 permitted to escape one of these cities and live. 211 00:11:48,730 --> 00:11:51,346 If it is someone who has killed his neighbor accidentally 212 00:11:51,378 --> 00:11:53,990 without having hated that person previously. 213 00:11:56,410 --> 00:11:59,122 Or if someone goes into the forest with a neighbor to chop some 214 00:11:59,146 --> 00:12:01,746 wood, and while swinging an axe to cut down the tree, the axe 215 00:12:01,778 --> 00:12:03,218 head flies off and its handle hits. 216 00:12:03,234 --> 00:12:04,520 And this isn't the Bible. 217 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:09,040 I tell you, the Bible is weird and hard to read. 218 00:12:10,140 --> 00:12:11,840 It doesn't all weigh the same. 219 00:12:14,220 --> 00:12:18,292 Flies off and hit somebody or that, and it hits the neighbor who 220 00:12:18,316 --> 00:12:19,620 subsequently dies. 221 00:12:19,780 --> 00:12:23,716 These kinds of killers may escape to one of these cities and 222 00:12:23,788 --> 00:12:24,400 live. 223 00:12:25,260 --> 00:12:27,840 Long story short, it was called a refuge city. 224 00:12:28,540 --> 00:12:31,160 Case law, regulation, statute. 225 00:12:32,450 --> 00:12:35,150 This one's almost certainly in one category. 226 00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:38,950 We have a vote for case law. 227 00:12:40,690 --> 00:12:42,150 This is case law. 228 00:12:43,890 --> 00:12:49,146 Almost certainly there was a situation that arose where somebody 229 00:12:49,178 --> 00:12:52,826 was chopping wood out in the forest, was like, hey, Bill, thanks 230 00:12:52,858 --> 00:12:54,390 for coming with me today, man. 231 00:12:54,850 --> 00:12:56,070 How's the family? 232 00:12:56,860 --> 00:12:57,972 How's the. 233 00:12:58,156 --> 00:13:01,188 What happened to the axe head, Bill? 234 00:13:01,244 --> 00:13:01,892 Did you see. 235 00:13:01,996 --> 00:13:03,000 Oh, God. 236 00:13:07,660 --> 00:13:08,680 Oh, boy. 237 00:13:09,740 --> 00:13:12,180 And then the family members heard about poor Bill. 238 00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:15,668 They now wanted to destroy this fella. 239 00:13:15,844 --> 00:13:16,788 Case law. 240 00:13:16,924 --> 00:13:18,164 Court made a ruling. 241 00:13:18,292 --> 00:13:22,164 Okay, let Joe, who killed Bill, go to one of these refuge cities 242 00:13:22,212 --> 00:13:25,252 where he'll be protected from vengeful family members. 243 00:13:25,436 --> 00:13:26,436 Case law. 244 00:13:26,588 --> 00:13:27,440 All right. 245 00:13:28,060 --> 00:13:30,080 The Bible is laid out this way. 246 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:36,788 It's hard for us to see this, but a lot of times Jesus was being 247 00:13:36,844 --> 00:13:39,560 engaged in a legal debate. 248 00:13:40,940 --> 00:13:45,560 Pharisees, Sadducees, were coming up to him in a legal debate. 249 00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:48,228 They disregarded him. 250 00:13:48,284 --> 00:13:48,692 Why? 251 00:13:48,796 --> 00:13:52,490 Sometimes because he wasn't educated like them. 252 00:13:53,190 --> 00:13:54,958 This guy didn't go to Harvard Law. 253 00:13:55,014 --> 00:13:56,050 What a joke. 254 00:13:56,550 --> 00:13:58,046 Look at this Idiot. 255 00:13:58,238 --> 00:13:58,830 Watch this. 256 00:13:58,870 --> 00:13:59,566 We're gonna go school. 257 00:13:59,638 --> 00:14:06,530 Hey, Jesus, what's the greatest law in the Torah, pal? 258 00:14:10,070 --> 00:14:11,210 There they are. 259 00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:18,044 Jesus left the one political party lawyer group speechless. 260 00:14:18,092 --> 00:14:20,960 And the Pharisees are like, yeah, well, because they're idiots. 261 00:14:21,380 --> 00:14:22,920 Watch what we'll do. 262 00:14:25,380 --> 00:14:28,172 One of them, a legal expert, tested him. 263 00:14:28,356 --> 00:14:33,040 Legal debate teacher. 264 00:14:34,020 --> 00:14:36,280 What's the greatest commandment in the law? 265 00:14:39,540 --> 00:14:40,680 Stone 1. 266 00:14:45,470 --> 00:14:47,126 This is the first and greatest commandment. 267 00:14:47,158 --> 00:14:52,326 They asked for one commandment in the first five books, or maybe 268 00:14:52,358 --> 00:14:54,450 including kind of the commentaries on it. 269 00:14:55,630 --> 00:14:56,982 He's answered correctly. 270 00:14:57,046 --> 00:14:59,170 Oh, Jesus ain't done. 271 00:15:00,590 --> 00:15:01,494 Oh, wait, sorry. 272 00:15:01,542 --> 00:15:02,374 I got one more. 273 00:15:02,462 --> 00:15:04,130 The second one's just like it. 274 00:15:04,430 --> 00:15:06,130 You can't separate them. 275 00:15:07,790 --> 00:15:09,030 That's what Jesus is trying to say. 276 00:15:09,070 --> 00:15:10,770 You can't separate the two. 277 00:15:12,090 --> 00:15:13,310 They are the same. 278 00:15:14,330 --> 00:15:15,990 Love your neighbor as yourself. 279 00:15:18,650 --> 00:15:20,390 The law and the prophets. 280 00:15:21,530 --> 00:15:28,710 Any law we see, anything there is case law, regulation, statute. 281 00:15:29,290 --> 00:15:33,842 Oh, and by the way, what the prophets had to say to you and you 282 00:15:33,866 --> 00:15:34,950 were ignoring. 283 00:15:35,850 --> 00:15:37,630 What did the prophets say? 284 00:15:40,340 --> 00:15:44,428 The prophet said, you know, all you people were so worried about 285 00:15:44,484 --> 00:15:48,540 showing up to church on time and getting all the regulations right 286 00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:51,692 and doing all the sacrifices and rituals the right way, man. 287 00:15:51,716 --> 00:15:55,840 You followed them to the letter of the law, but you forgot 288 00:15:58,020 --> 00:16:04,578 to love your neighbor, especially the widow orphan stranger 289 00:16:04,674 --> 00:16:05,630 among you. 290 00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:13,250 And did you know that God's heart, he would rather you love your 291 00:16:13,290 --> 00:16:17,410 neighbor, the orphan widow stranger, from the depths of your 292 00:16:17,450 --> 00:16:23,698 heart, than make sure you get every I dotted and T crossed in your 293 00:16:23,754 --> 00:16:25,430 Sunday morning rituals. 294 00:16:26,170 --> 00:16:28,418 For the record, Jesus was a fan of both. 295 00:16:28,554 --> 00:16:30,824 Jesus went to synagogue regularly. 296 00:16:31,002 --> 00:16:32,160 So did Paul. 297 00:16:34,180 --> 00:16:36,684 Sometimes people ask me, ross, do I need to come to Sunday church? 298 00:16:36,732 --> 00:16:37,132 I don't know. 299 00:16:37,156 --> 00:16:37,880 Do you? 300 00:16:38,740 --> 00:16:40,960 Do you need to eat vegetables and fruit? 301 00:16:42,020 --> 00:16:42,652 Why do we. 302 00:16:42,676 --> 00:16:44,040 Why are we separating it? 303 00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:46,560 Eat your vegetables and your fruit. 304 00:16:47,060 --> 00:16:51,116 Go do church 247 and show up with the community and be. 305 00:16:51,188 --> 00:16:53,400 And rest and be built up. 306 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:55,964 I don't need to come Sunday morning. 307 00:16:56,052 --> 00:17:01,188 Okay, go on, tell yourself that or whatever the time of community 308 00:17:01,244 --> 00:17:01,556 is. 309 00:17:01,628 --> 00:17:04,100 All right, we got to take a detour. 310 00:17:04,180 --> 00:17:06,036 Really quick as I take us on a detour. 311 00:17:06,068 --> 00:17:06,260 What. 312 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:07,188 What are your thoughts there? 313 00:17:07,244 --> 00:17:08,212 What's that stirring you? 314 00:17:08,236 --> 00:17:08,500 Is this. 315 00:17:08,540 --> 00:17:09,332 Is this new to you or like. 316 00:17:09,356 --> 00:17:10,720 Ross, I already knew all that. 317 00:17:11,020 --> 00:17:12,480 This is all old news. 318 00:17:13,020 --> 00:17:13,880 Boring. 319 00:17:22,070 --> 00:17:23,102 This is new. 320 00:17:23,286 --> 00:17:24,250 It old. 321 00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:31,010 Don't pay attention to the bird. 322 00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:32,810 We're going there next. 323 00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:34,110 Is this old? 324 00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:35,050 Is it new? 325 00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:40,894 It's a new perspective or good perspective? 326 00:17:40,942 --> 00:18:16,386 Christie says, adam, I think that's a helpful perspective, especially 327 00:18:16,458 --> 00:18:18,050 when thinking about the Old Testament. 328 00:18:18,130 --> 00:18:21,586 There's a lot of Crap that happens in the Old Testament that 329 00:18:21,738 --> 00:18:25,666 people interpret as, this is what God wants, this is how it's 330 00:18:25,698 --> 00:18:26,658 supposed to be. 331 00:18:26,794 --> 00:18:30,226 Or this was maybe even a regulation or law at the time. 332 00:18:30,378 --> 00:18:33,778 But God's heart is further reflected, especially in the person 333 00:18:33,834 --> 00:18:35,010 of Jesus who says it. 334 00:18:35,050 --> 00:18:36,578 Yeah, that's not exactly. 335 00:18:36,674 --> 00:18:38,018 That's not what it means. 336 00:18:38,154 --> 00:18:41,196 It actually, if you're interpreting this incorrectly, it's 337 00:18:41,228 --> 00:18:43,148 unconstitutional, so to speak. 338 00:18:43,244 --> 00:18:45,880 You know, this is how it's supposed to be. 339 00:18:50,100 --> 00:18:50,924 Yeah, it's. 340 00:18:50,972 --> 00:18:52,460 It's a helpful framework for sure. 341 00:18:52,500 --> 00:18:55,020 And I'm going to show you even more how it's. 342 00:18:55,180 --> 00:18:59,360 It's a more helpful framework than we've ever fully captured. 343 00:19:00,820 --> 00:19:05,452 It's built that way on purpose, that there are stones, sand 344 00:19:05,516 --> 00:19:09,800 and water, and then there are stones at the foundation of the stones. 345 00:19:12,220 --> 00:19:13,120 All right. 346 00:19:15,100 --> 00:19:15,988 Anything else? 347 00:19:16,084 --> 00:19:22,900 Any other thoughts before I go on to this bird, Anyone? 348 00:19:22,980 --> 00:19:23,600 No? 349 00:19:24,540 --> 00:19:25,480 Debbie? 350 00:19:33,260 --> 00:19:48,820 Yeah, right. 351 00:19:48,940 --> 00:19:50,708 We want things to be black and white. 352 00:19:50,764 --> 00:19:53,140 It's a survival technique we have as humans. 353 00:19:53,220 --> 00:19:56,400 We want to make things clear sometimes that aren't so clear. 354 00:19:57,260 --> 00:19:59,374 There are things that are clear for sure. 355 00:19:59,492 --> 00:20:00,810 And Jesus makes this clear. 356 00:20:00,850 --> 00:20:03,466 That's why this framework, it works. 357 00:20:03,658 --> 00:20:07,738 He's going to say, there are some stones that you can always stand 358 00:20:07,794 --> 00:20:08,390 on. 359 00:20:09,090 --> 00:20:09,882 Always. 360 00:20:10,066 --> 00:20:13,370 It doesn't mean that we don't care about the sand, the water and 361 00:20:13,410 --> 00:20:14,490 the other stones. 362 00:20:14,650 --> 00:20:20,122 We do care about that, but only if we see them in light of the 363 00:20:20,146 --> 00:20:21,310 two big stones. 364 00:20:21,730 --> 00:20:23,914 Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. 365 00:20:23,962 --> 00:20:25,198 Love your neighbors, yourself. 366 00:20:25,354 --> 00:20:27,686 If you don't know what else to do, go there. 367 00:20:27,758 --> 00:20:30,342 What I want to talk to you about, like, to finish up today to 368 00:20:30,366 --> 00:20:33,894 get more thought, like, this is all fun, this legal debate stuff. 369 00:20:33,942 --> 00:20:36,770 I know, I know, it's invigorating, right? 370 00:20:37,870 --> 00:20:39,130 But who cares? 371 00:20:39,550 --> 00:20:45,574 At the end of the day, the people who are not going to church 372 00:20:45,622 --> 00:20:47,734 right now and don't care about Jesus. 373 00:20:47,782 --> 00:20:50,790 If I wanted to be like, hey, can I tell you about statutes, case 374 00:20:50,830 --> 00:20:52,090 laws and regulations? 375 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:54,700 They don't care. 376 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:02,016 They might care how we embody them in a way that is a blessing 377 00:21:02,048 --> 00:21:02,780 to them. 378 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,780 They might care about the kind of life we live. 379 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,220 That's what I want to talk about. 380 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,408 I want to talk about how at the core of God's heart, there's 381 00:21:15,424 --> 00:21:17,780 a kind of love that we cannot imagine. 382 00:21:19,570 --> 00:21:22,230 I was explaining that to my son the other day. 383 00:21:22,930 --> 00:21:24,950 All parents have done it at some point. 384 00:21:27,090 --> 00:21:30,666 Sorry, son, I'm going to tell on you if you tell me it's not allowed 385 00:21:30,698 --> 00:21:30,986 later. 386 00:21:31,058 --> 00:21:32,350 Okay, sorry. 387 00:21:33,570 --> 00:21:35,738 He said he feels like he's the least favorite child. 388 00:21:35,794 --> 00:21:37,310 He was saying it when he was mad. 389 00:21:38,290 --> 00:21:42,270 And I sat down with him and explained, like, you have no idea. 390 00:21:43,100 --> 00:21:44,560 You'll know it one day. 391 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:46,880 The love that I have for you. 392 00:21:49,580 --> 00:21:51,080 You have no idea. 393 00:21:51,420 --> 00:21:54,320 But one day maybe you'll know. 394 00:21:57,100 --> 00:22:01,160 God is like that times infinity. 395 00:22:02,780 --> 00:22:06,120 At the core of God's heart is a love we cannot imagine. 396 00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:11,640 And yet that's why God became flesh in Jesus. 397 00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:18,372 So that we might not only imagine it but that we'd see it, 398 00:22:18,476 --> 00:22:22,000 believe it and that it would become the core of our lives. 399 00:22:24,140 --> 00:22:26,000 That's what I want to talk to you about. 400 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:29,972 Just like the sun, there is a love that God has for us. 401 00:22:29,996 --> 00:22:30,276 There's. 402 00:22:30,308 --> 00:22:32,996 At the core of God's heart there is a love for us that we cannot 403 00:22:33,028 --> 00:22:33,800 imagine. 404 00:22:34,780 --> 00:22:36,692 And yet that's why God became flesh. 405 00:22:36,756 --> 00:22:38,152 So that we could imagine it. 406 00:22:38,236 --> 00:22:40,512 That we could see it, feel it, touch it, believe it. 407 00:22:40,536 --> 00:22:42,688 And that it would then become the core of our lives. 408 00:22:42,824 --> 00:22:44,580 Just like it is the Sons. 409 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:46,912 I want to talk to you about that. 410 00:22:46,936 --> 00:22:47,820 But first. 411 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:49,392 It's 10:25. 412 00:22:49,416 --> 00:22:51,632 You're like, Ross, it feels like we're just starting the sermon. 413 00:22:51,696 --> 00:22:52,848 Well, we're far along. 414 00:22:52,904 --> 00:22:53,980 I promise you. 415 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,580 I think we have to address this first. 416 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,820 I wonder if we have this. 417 00:23:06,290 --> 00:23:08,954 No, I don't mean that you got burned in some relationship and you 418 00:23:08,962 --> 00:23:10,270 don't want to date anymore. 419 00:23:10,690 --> 00:23:11,514 That matters. 420 00:23:11,562 --> 00:23:13,082 If you're feeling that today. 421 00:23:13,266 --> 00:23:14,330 We love you. 422 00:23:14,450 --> 00:23:15,578 It matters. 423 00:23:15,754 --> 00:23:17,930 I can't imagine going out in the dating world again. 424 00:23:17,970 --> 00:23:19,430 I wouldn't even know what to do. 425 00:23:20,290 --> 00:23:21,194 I wouldn't know. 426 00:23:21,282 --> 00:23:22,470 So God bless you. 427 00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:28,150 I think instead it's more like this. 428 00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:30,800 Dad, what is that? 429 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:34,200 No, not a female. 430 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:36,760 No, that's a male, dad. 431 00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:40,148 Okay, we'll dispute it later. 432 00:23:40,204 --> 00:23:45,120 Dad, we'll dispute it. 433 00:23:45,820 --> 00:23:47,560 We'll have a legal dispute. 434 00:23:48,540 --> 00:23:50,920 That's a male eastern bluebird. 435 00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:57,850 And one came to our backyard the other day. 436 00:23:58,310 --> 00:24:01,290 My dad has been a bird watcher my whole life. 437 00:24:02,150 --> 00:24:04,910 He would keep a list in the mornings of every bird that came 438 00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:06,130 to the backyard. 439 00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:09,530 It's a holy thing. 440 00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:12,302 It's a holy way of noticing. 441 00:24:12,446 --> 00:24:13,534 Bird watching is. 442 00:24:13,622 --> 00:24:15,410 It's like a spiritual practice. 443 00:24:17,910 --> 00:24:19,214 And so when a bluebird. 444 00:24:19,262 --> 00:24:20,702 I don't know what it is about bluebirds. 445 00:24:20,766 --> 00:24:23,902 I literally almost tried to tie in the name of bluebird into 446 00:24:23,926 --> 00:24:24,334 our church. 447 00:24:24,382 --> 00:24:26,170 It's in my journal from 2018. 448 00:24:26,970 --> 00:24:29,794 We came up with a much more easier, simpler name. 449 00:24:29,882 --> 00:24:31,190 Heaven Earth Church. 450 00:24:32,410 --> 00:24:33,394 Not simpler. 451 00:24:33,522 --> 00:24:37,282 Anyways, there's something about a bluebird when it comes to 452 00:24:37,306 --> 00:24:37,906 my backyard. 453 00:24:37,938 --> 00:24:41,670 I could see it a thousand times and I'LL say, wow. 454 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:44,190 I don't know what it is. 455 00:24:45,850 --> 00:24:47,666 It's stunning to me that. 456 00:24:47,738 --> 00:24:55,228 Like the royal sort of blue, I'm astounded by every time. 457 00:24:55,284 --> 00:24:58,160 But for whatever reason, I don't feel that way about a cardinal. 458 00:25:00,980 --> 00:25:01,564 Cardinal? 459 00:25:01,612 --> 00:25:02,204 Ho hum. 460 00:25:02,252 --> 00:25:03,148 It's a cardinal. 461 00:25:03,244 --> 00:25:04,000 Yeah. 462 00:25:04,980 --> 00:25:05,996 Keep it to yourself, dad. 463 00:25:06,028 --> 00:25:08,252 I know exactly what you're thinking, old man. 464 00:25:08,436 --> 00:25:12,268 There's a joke he told one time that we may not tell in church. 465 00:25:12,364 --> 00:25:17,052 Anyways, I don't feel the same way about a cardinal. 466 00:25:17,116 --> 00:25:21,060 I don't know why I overlook the cardinal. 467 00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:22,372 I don't notice it. 468 00:25:22,476 --> 00:25:23,812 I don't care as much. 469 00:25:23,916 --> 00:25:30,276 But I tell you what, if a cardinal graced me, or if she did, 470 00:25:30,348 --> 00:25:33,332 they're both wonderful with her presence. 471 00:25:33,396 --> 00:25:38,228 His presence in my backyard for the first time, I would run down 472 00:25:38,284 --> 00:25:40,292 everyone I could find and be like, you have to see what's in my 473 00:25:40,316 --> 00:25:41,160 backyard. 474 00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:46,852 It's the most stunning animal you've seen, the most vibrant red. 475 00:25:46,956 --> 00:25:47,492 I don't know. 476 00:25:47,516 --> 00:25:48,148 I don't get it. 477 00:25:48,204 --> 00:25:50,040 I didn't know this thing existed. 478 00:25:51,420 --> 00:25:52,308 Just like I felt. 479 00:25:52,324 --> 00:25:56,676 I was driving on from Stones Crossing, where it curves to Worstville. 480 00:25:56,708 --> 00:25:59,880 A bald eagle swooped down over my car and I was like, oh my God, 481 00:26:00,540 --> 00:26:01,320 Dad. 482 00:26:01,820 --> 00:26:03,156 It still happens. 483 00:26:03,268 --> 00:26:04,052 Bald eagles. 484 00:26:04,116 --> 00:26:06,180 I've seen a few, but I don't know what it is. 485 00:26:06,220 --> 00:26:07,812 I don't feel that way about a cardinal. 486 00:26:07,956 --> 00:26:11,640 I think we see God's love like I see a cardinal. 487 00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:22,542 I think we're jaded at the sound of it, jaded at the sight of 488 00:26:22,566 --> 00:26:23,130 it. 489 00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:33,102 And it makes me so sad for me, because it's the very thing, the 490 00:26:33,126 --> 00:26:38,952 very thing that will liberate me, the very thing that will lead 491 00:26:38,976 --> 00:26:42,232 me into the life of freedom and wholeness, the eternal kind of 492 00:26:42,256 --> 00:26:44,100 life that Jesus promised me. 493 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,472 But I can't hear it anymore because I've heard about the love 494 00:26:48,496 --> 00:26:49,860 of God my whole life. 495 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,260 I've heard Matthew 22:34 through 40 probably 200 times. 496 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,900 Probably heard a good 50 sermons on it. 497 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,576 Love the Lord your God, with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. 498 00:27:01,608 --> 00:27:02,376 Love your neighbors yourself. 499 00:27:02,408 --> 00:27:04,416 I've heard God is love so many times. 500 00:27:04,608 --> 00:27:06,380 It's like a cardinal to me. 501 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,544 I don't care if it's a state bird. 502 00:27:08,672 --> 00:27:10,620 See so many of them, I don't even care. 503 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,408 So I hope today and in the days to come, in the years to come, 504 00:27:19,544 --> 00:27:22,780 the love of God is more to you like a bluebird is to me. 505 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:29,260 And I also hope that I appreciate a cardinal again. 506 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,070 You either one works. 507 00:27:33,170 --> 00:27:37,290 I know many of you sitting out there today Many of you online, your 508 00:27:37,330 --> 00:27:47,562 heart is hardened to the love of God and you have good reason for 509 00:27:47,586 --> 00:27:48,150 it. 510 00:27:49,650 --> 00:27:54,202 There were people who claimed God's love alongside you and they 511 00:27:54,226 --> 00:27:55,350 did harm to you. 512 00:27:57,340 --> 00:28:01,492 So a little part of your heart got hard and it happened again and 513 00:28:01,516 --> 00:28:05,284 again and again and again until your heart was much like one 514 00:28:05,292 --> 00:28:06,280 of these stones. 515 00:28:10,620 --> 00:28:13,476 I couldn't say anything today to change that. 516 00:28:13,548 --> 00:28:19,492 The only thing that can change it is the Holy Spirit of God and 517 00:28:19,516 --> 00:28:22,868 the fire of the Spirit that might come to your heart and soften 518 00:28:22,884 --> 00:28:23,060 it. 519 00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:33,760 Today, I pray that you discovered the beauty of God's love 520 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,380 again. 521 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,064 So I'm just going to spend. 522 00:28:36,192 --> 00:28:37,328 It's 10:31. 523 00:28:37,384 --> 00:28:42,224 I need about nine more minutes to keep going with this concept of 524 00:28:42,232 --> 00:28:45,536 the love of God, this reality of the love of God, because it's 525 00:28:45,568 --> 00:28:49,120 a love that we cannot imagine that is still true no matter what 526 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,580 somebody did to us, no matter how hard our lives have been. 527 00:28:52,620 --> 00:28:55,220 I'm convinced from the depth of my soul that there is this love 528 00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:57,220 that God has in the core of God's heart. 529 00:28:57,340 --> 00:28:59,060 That is a love we cannot imagine. 530 00:28:59,140 --> 00:29:02,036 And yet that's why Jesus became flesh, so that we could imagine 531 00:29:02,068 --> 00:29:04,468 it, so that we could touch it, that we could feel it, and that we 532 00:29:04,524 --> 00:29:05,076 believe it. 533 00:29:05,148 --> 00:29:07,440 And then it become the core of our lives, too. 534 00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:10,160 The very core of our lives. 535 00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:16,796 The beauty about Jesus is he is like those great stones in a human 536 00:29:16,868 --> 00:29:17,480 person. 537 00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:24,252 He's showing us how if we live by these stones, we will be living 538 00:29:24,316 --> 00:29:25,340 our best life now. 539 00:29:25,380 --> 00:29:27,680 I do not mean the Joel Osteen version. 540 00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:30,440 That's not living your best life now. 541 00:29:32,580 --> 00:29:35,324 And I don't even mean like what, like for Juniper. 542 00:29:35,372 --> 00:29:39,132 Our little Juniper living her best life is bottle in one hand. 543 00:29:39,236 --> 00:29:40,960 Danny, go on the screen. 544 00:29:42,190 --> 00:29:43,958 Bet she's living her best life now. 545 00:29:44,014 --> 00:29:47,590 I'm talking about Jesus's version of your best life, that he 546 00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:48,694 knows how you're created. 547 00:29:48,742 --> 00:29:51,090 He knows how a human is made to live. 548 00:29:52,590 --> 00:29:57,450 He knows how human functions at optimum sort of speed. 549 00:30:01,390 --> 00:30:05,090 So that's why he becomes flesh, to invite us into that. 550 00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:11,390 I just want to show you how, like, Jesus's followers started to 551 00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:13,134 discover this love for themselves. 552 00:30:13,182 --> 00:30:15,930 And it was like a big aha moment for them. 553 00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:20,606 It transformed their lives from the inside out so that it became 554 00:30:20,638 --> 00:30:21,470 the core of their lives. 555 00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:24,926 And they started to get this whole thing about how these two great 556 00:30:24,998 --> 00:30:29,470 stones are the thing and how everything depends on that and how 557 00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:32,254 your whole life is an opportunity to love the Lord your 558 00:30:32,262 --> 00:30:34,234 God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. 559 00:30:34,382 --> 00:30:38,754 Love your neighbors, yourself, every minute of every day is an opportunity 560 00:30:38,802 --> 00:30:41,106 to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. 561 00:30:41,138 --> 00:30:42,550 And love your neighbors yourself. 562 00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:49,186 I can love the Lord God with all my heart, mind, soul and strength. 563 00:30:49,218 --> 00:30:50,466 When I'm out grocery shopping. 564 00:30:50,498 --> 00:30:51,310 You bet. 565 00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:53,070 You bet. 566 00:30:54,970 --> 00:31:00,830 If you notice people, if you notice the person checking you out. 567 00:31:01,310 --> 00:31:02,838 I don't mean like checking you out. 568 00:31:02,894 --> 00:31:03,890 You know what I mean. 569 00:31:05,150 --> 00:31:06,950 I mean, if they check you out, that's fine, too. 570 00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:09,570 But good for you. 571 00:31:10,990 --> 00:31:16,630 If you notice people and you love your neighbor like you would 572 00:31:16,670 --> 00:31:21,610 want to be loved, that is an offering to God. 573 00:31:22,270 --> 00:31:23,690 Oh, my God. 574 00:31:24,990 --> 00:31:26,090 So wonderful. 575 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,248 And we can love the Lord right here together. 576 00:31:29,304 --> 00:31:30,160 We're doing it right now. 577 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,180 You're doing it. 578 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,940 You're doing it. 579 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,620 You showed up today. 580 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,368 You showed up today because you're seeking God's presence. 581 00:31:38,464 --> 00:31:40,580 You don't want your heart to be hardened. 582 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,688 You don't want to be jaded by love. 583 00:31:42,744 --> 00:31:44,464 You don't want to suffer from love fatigue. 584 00:31:44,512 --> 00:31:45,664 You want to be reinvigorated. 585 00:31:45,712 --> 00:31:47,264 You want to be resurrected from the dead. 586 00:31:47,312 --> 00:31:49,580 Praise God, I do, too. 587 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,660 Let it be. 588 00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:55,674 I just want to show you how these people caught wind of it. 589 00:31:55,762 --> 00:31:57,850 Paul, I love this guy. 590 00:31:57,930 --> 00:32:00,750 He gets such a bad rep because he's misinterpreted. 591 00:32:02,530 --> 00:32:06,350 People turn Paul's letters into case laws and regulations. 592 00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:07,550 Yuck. 593 00:32:08,530 --> 00:32:08,890 No. 594 00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:12,026 These letters were just a witness to his experience of discovering 595 00:32:12,058 --> 00:32:13,830 God's love for the first time. 596 00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:17,550 Paul was a lawyer amongst the lawyers. 597 00:32:18,330 --> 00:32:20,150 Harvard law educated. 598 00:32:21,530 --> 00:32:23,682 I think he was from the tribe of Benjamin. 599 00:32:23,746 --> 00:32:24,910 It's a big deal. 600 00:32:25,690 --> 00:32:27,026 He had it all figured out. 601 00:32:27,098 --> 00:32:28,710 He was the top of the heap. 602 00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:33,430 And then he encountered this risen guy named Jesus. 603 00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:43,390 And for the first time, he was like, oh, my God, he loves us. 604 00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:47,852 Paul wasn't even aware of the problem he had in his life. 605 00:32:47,876 --> 00:32:51,916 He was doing all these things, even religion, to try to get God 606 00:32:51,948 --> 00:32:53,160 to like him more. 607 00:32:54,260 --> 00:32:57,468 He was hustling his whole life for more worth. 608 00:32:57,644 --> 00:33:02,200 He was trying to get to the top and using religion as the means. 609 00:33:02,660 --> 00:33:06,380 And then he met this risen Jesus who just said, my love for 610 00:33:06,420 --> 00:33:07,720 you is the same. 611 00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:10,108 You can only wake up to my love. 612 00:33:10,164 --> 00:33:11,820 You can't increase it or diminish it. 613 00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:13,916 I love you just the way you are, man. 614 00:33:13,988 --> 00:33:15,518 Wake up, be transformed. 615 00:33:15,604 --> 00:33:16,630 Live for it. 616 00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:21,110 And he started to get it. 617 00:33:22,530 --> 00:33:25,354 He says it in Romans, like Ross. 618 00:33:25,402 --> 00:33:26,602 We always go to this verse. 619 00:33:26,666 --> 00:33:29,470 Yeah, because it's Paul's awakening. 620 00:33:31,170 --> 00:33:33,070 He started living for Jesus. 621 00:33:34,290 --> 00:33:35,050 He was not. 622 00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:37,562 He didn't suffer from love fatigue anymore. 623 00:33:37,706 --> 00:33:40,362 He said, in all these things, we win a sweeping victory through 624 00:33:40,386 --> 00:33:41,750 the One who loved us. 625 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,968 Convinced that nothing can separate us from God's love in Christ 626 00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:47,056 Jesus our Lord. 627 00:33:47,168 --> 00:33:48,620 I'm convinced that. 628 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,380 I'm convinced that. 629 00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:03,760 I'm convinced that not death or life, not angels or rulers, not 630 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,504 present things or future things. 631 00:34:05,592 --> 00:34:11,070 Not powers, height or depth or any other thing that is created. 632 00:34:13,330 --> 00:34:15,590 That's a description of a free person. 633 00:34:16,690 --> 00:34:18,510 I have nothing to fear. 634 00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:25,550 Nothing because of this love I have discovered. 635 00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:29,210 And then he realized this too, man. 636 00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:31,150 He was the lawyer of lawyers. 637 00:34:31,570 --> 00:34:34,026 He loved dotting the I's and crossing the T's. 638 00:34:34,058 --> 00:34:34,810 And then he got it. 639 00:34:34,850 --> 00:34:36,586 He got what the two stones were about. 640 00:34:36,658 --> 00:34:37,990 Listen to what he says. 641 00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:44,480 Don't be in debt to anyone except for the obligation to love 642 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,008 each other. 643 00:34:45,064 --> 00:34:50,560 The only debt that you have to pay every day is the love that you 644 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,580 owe to people. 645 00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:00,272 The commandments. 646 00:35:00,336 --> 00:35:01,344 Don't commit adultery. 647 00:35:01,392 --> 00:35:01,952 Don't murder. 648 00:35:02,016 --> 00:35:02,592 Don't steal. 649 00:35:02,656 --> 00:35:03,760 Don't desire what others had. 650 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,832 Those are big stones. 651 00:35:04,896 --> 00:35:06,900 That's like the Bill of Rights in the Bible. 652 00:35:08,290 --> 00:35:12,746 They're all summed up in one word. 653 00:35:12,778 --> 00:35:14,150 You go ahead and read it. 654 00:35:16,770 --> 00:35:18,630 1, 2, 3. 655 00:35:22,450 --> 00:35:24,550 You sound so excited about it. 656 00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:26,842 Look at this. 657 00:35:27,026 --> 00:35:28,042 The letter of James. 658 00:35:28,106 --> 00:35:32,670 You do well when you fulfill the royal law found in scripture. 659 00:35:35,180 --> 00:35:36,180 You're getting it. 660 00:35:36,220 --> 00:35:36,612 Come on. 661 00:35:36,636 --> 00:35:39,200 I know the snow hasn't frozen you to death today. 662 00:35:40,860 --> 00:35:44,520 And then Jesus makes it even simpler. 663 00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:50,080 He is trying to give us stones to stand on. 664 00:35:51,260 --> 00:35:55,620 But more importantly, he's trying to give us a holy fire that 665 00:35:55,660 --> 00:35:58,880 transforms our hearts and becomes the core of our lives. 666 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:05,816 Jesus says this, I give you a new commandment, my son. 667 00:36:05,848 --> 00:36:07,340 Just memorized this verse. 668 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,240 Fired me up. 669 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,280 I was so happy for him. 670 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,040 I hope it becomes a part of his heart. 671 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,940 I got one job in many ways. 672 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,296 When I pray with him at night, I say, God, I pray that you bless 673 00:36:20,328 --> 00:36:22,968 these children so they know how much you love them and how much 674 00:36:23,024 --> 00:36:24,020 we love them. 675 00:36:26,970 --> 00:36:28,190 Love each other. 676 00:36:30,090 --> 00:36:31,150 This is the. 677 00:36:32,570 --> 00:36:35,230 Think of the biggest stone that you can think of. 678 00:36:36,490 --> 00:36:38,190 Everything rests on this. 679 00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:40,830 Love each other. 680 00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:47,870 Just as I have loved you, so you must also love each other. 681 00:36:48,730 --> 00:36:52,274 But Ross, I don't know how Jesus has loved me, if I'm honest. 682 00:36:52,322 --> 00:36:53,190 Exactly. 683 00:36:54,810 --> 00:37:00,450 The pursuit of the follower of Jesus is to find out and to go share 684 00:37:00,490 --> 00:37:01,070 it. 685 00:37:03,610 --> 00:37:05,910 Everything is a response to grace. 686 00:37:07,610 --> 00:37:09,298 So now I've buried the lead. 687 00:37:09,354 --> 00:37:11,042 That's why we talked about all this today. 688 00:37:11,146 --> 00:37:13,030 And I'm almost done, I promise. 689 00:37:13,690 --> 00:37:16,418 We've been talking about our discipleship essentials at Heaven 690 00:37:16,434 --> 00:37:17,010 Earth Church. 691 00:37:17,090 --> 00:37:19,030 We have our community core values. 692 00:37:19,780 --> 00:37:22,268 The boundaries within which we want to travel as a Community. 693 00:37:22,324 --> 00:37:23,996 But then we have these deeper things. 694 00:37:24,148 --> 00:37:28,684 They're kind of the stones of heaven, Earth church, our discipleship 695 00:37:28,732 --> 00:37:29,196 essentials. 696 00:37:29,228 --> 00:37:35,164 And number three is we want to live with grace and the great commands 697 00:37:35,212 --> 00:37:36,600 at the core of our lives. 698 00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:39,404 That is our collective pursuit. 699 00:37:39,452 --> 00:37:42,060 If you want to be an apprentice of Jesus, you live with 700 00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:44,680 grace and the great commands at the core of your life. 701 00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:47,734 Everything is a response to grace. 702 00:37:47,862 --> 00:37:48,294 Everything. 703 00:37:48,382 --> 00:37:50,774 Our entire lives are a response to grace. 704 00:37:50,822 --> 00:37:52,742 We were created out of grace. 705 00:37:52,806 --> 00:37:53,654 What is grace? 706 00:37:53,782 --> 00:37:56,726 It's love that we didn't necessarily do anything to earn, 707 00:37:56,758 --> 00:37:57,622 but God just did it. 708 00:37:57,646 --> 00:37:59,650 Because love is at the core of God's heart. 709 00:38:02,030 --> 00:38:04,278 God created the whole entire thing. 710 00:38:04,414 --> 00:38:05,094 Big bang. 711 00:38:05,142 --> 00:38:09,542 And all because God was like, I could do this by myself, but I 712 00:38:09,566 --> 00:38:10,102 don't want to. 713 00:38:10,126 --> 00:38:10,870 I want to share it. 714 00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:11,890 Out of love. 715 00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:15,342 And when humans went their own way and did their own thing, like, 716 00:38:15,366 --> 00:38:15,742 you know what? 717 00:38:15,766 --> 00:38:16,238 I'm pretty cool. 718 00:38:16,254 --> 00:38:17,450 I can do my own thing. 719 00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:20,142 God kept chasing them down. 720 00:38:20,326 --> 00:38:23,134 Big old fancy word for that in the Methodist Church is prevenient 721 00:38:23,182 --> 00:38:23,454 grace. 722 00:38:23,502 --> 00:38:26,878 It just means that God keeps chasing and chasing and keeps a fire 723 00:38:26,934 --> 00:38:28,810 burning in you when you don't even care. 724 00:38:29,830 --> 00:38:33,822 But then Jesus comes in the flesh to, like, make that flame, 725 00:38:33,886 --> 00:38:35,170 like, come alive. 726 00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:40,726 So you turn around and follow him and wake up to what God feels 727 00:38:40,758 --> 00:38:43,110 for you and that you grow in that love. 728 00:38:43,150 --> 00:38:48,806 You keep growing up from a little baby to an adolescent, awkward 729 00:38:48,838 --> 00:38:49,862 as they are. 730 00:38:50,046 --> 00:38:51,850 Teenager, Even more awkward. 731 00:38:53,070 --> 00:38:53,798 Amen. 732 00:38:53,894 --> 00:38:57,290 Right into a fully mature adult. 733 00:38:57,790 --> 00:39:01,010 Everything is a response to grace our entire lives. 734 00:39:02,670 --> 00:39:04,262 And so this is my prayer for you. 735 00:39:04,286 --> 00:39:05,558 And then I'll ask you what you think. 736 00:39:05,614 --> 00:39:06,530 Then we're done. 737 00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:09,910 It's Paul's prayer we read so many times. 738 00:39:10,290 --> 00:39:12,670 We'll read this over and again in this church. 739 00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:14,922 God. 740 00:39:14,986 --> 00:39:15,594 This is Paul. 741 00:39:15,642 --> 00:39:19,050 God gave his grace to me, the least of all God's people. 742 00:39:19,090 --> 00:39:19,562 Do you see it? 743 00:39:19,586 --> 00:39:19,994 Did I tell you? 744 00:39:20,002 --> 00:39:21,430 He has an insecurity problem? 745 00:39:24,690 --> 00:39:27,322 But he probably felt bad because he spent the early part of 746 00:39:27,346 --> 00:39:31,242 his life persecuting Christians and beating them up because 747 00:39:31,266 --> 00:39:32,430 he was a good lawyer. 748 00:39:33,090 --> 00:39:37,274 Christians were out there violating all the stones, so you 749 00:39:37,282 --> 00:39:38,390 had to punish them. 750 00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:42,426 He didn't realize Jesus was the embodiment of the great stones. 751 00:39:42,618 --> 00:39:45,386 God gave his grace to me, the least of all God's people, to preach 752 00:39:45,418 --> 00:39:49,322 the good news about the immeasurable riches of Christ to 753 00:39:49,346 --> 00:39:50,430 the Gentiles. 754 00:39:52,530 --> 00:39:55,114 God sent me to reveal the secret plan that had been hidden 755 00:39:55,162 --> 00:39:57,990 since the beginning of time by God who created everything. 756 00:39:58,460 --> 00:40:01,636 God's purpose is now to show the rulers and powers in the heavens. 757 00:40:01,668 --> 00:40:04,600 The many different varieties of his wisdom through the church. 758 00:40:06,140 --> 00:40:08,692 This was consistent with the plan he had from the beginning of 759 00:40:08,716 --> 00:40:10,756 time that he accomplished through Christ Jesus our Lord. 760 00:40:10,788 --> 00:40:12,360 This guy had an awakening. 761 00:40:13,580 --> 00:40:16,880 He was like, I have discovered something that I did not think possible. 762 00:40:18,220 --> 00:40:18,868 In Christ. 763 00:40:18,924 --> 00:40:22,228 We have bold and confident access to God through faith in Him. 764 00:40:22,364 --> 00:40:25,524 So then I ask you to not become discouraged by what I'm suffering 765 00:40:25,572 --> 00:40:27,200 for you, which is your glory. 766 00:40:27,380 --> 00:40:30,248 He is working hard so other people discover it. 767 00:40:30,384 --> 00:40:33,192 This is why I kneel before the Father and this is my prayer for 768 00:40:33,216 --> 00:40:33,780 you. 769 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,880 Every ethnic group in heaven and or on earth is recognized by 770 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:38,408 Him. 771 00:40:38,544 --> 00:40:43,080 I ask that he will strengthen you and your inner selves from the 772 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,180 riches of his glory through the Spirit. 773 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:51,560 I ask that Christ will live in your hearts through faith as a result 774 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,624 of having strong roots in love. 775 00:40:53,792 --> 00:40:57,656 I ask that you'll have the power to grasp love's width and length, 776 00:40:57,768 --> 00:41:00,460 height and depth together with all believers. 777 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,944 I ask that you'll know the love of Christ that is beyond knowledge, 778 00:41:03,992 --> 00:41:07,180 so that you will be filled entirely with the fullness of God. 779 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,920 Glory to God, who is able to do far beyond all that we could ask 780 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,940 or imagine by his power at work within us. 781 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,300 Amen. 782 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:18,840 I often ask it. 783 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:19,848 Now I will to close. 784 00:41:19,904 --> 00:41:22,192 What's this stirring in you online folks too? 785 00:41:22,216 --> 00:41:23,420 Let's hear from you. 786 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,504 What's this making you think? 787 00:41:25,592 --> 00:41:26,976 Is it making you feel? 788 00:41:27,128 --> 00:41:28,660 Is it making you wonder? 789 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,008 We just did about 38 sermons in one. 790 00:41:43,064 --> 00:41:45,980 So if you're a little foggy in the brain, I get it. 791 00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:51,270 Maybe 50 sermons in one. 792 00:41:51,570 --> 00:42:17,880 Heather Law Heather Harris asks. 793 00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:25,200 Well, people online can't hear it. 794 00:42:26,380 --> 00:42:30,132 She asked, like, if Jesus came to embody these foundational stones. 795 00:42:30,196 --> 00:42:31,748 Correct me if I miss it, Heather. 796 00:42:31,844 --> 00:42:36,228 If he came to embody these foundational stones and to help us 797 00:42:36,284 --> 00:42:39,368 to like, he came to fulfill them, but also put them at the core 798 00:42:39,384 --> 00:42:40,740 of our hearts and lives. 799 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,592 Why do people get so hung up and focused on the case laws and 800 00:42:45,616 --> 00:42:46,520 regulations? 801 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:47,620 Is that right? 802 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,300 Okay, it's a heck of a question. 803 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,340 We need about 14 sermons for that. 804 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,780 I'll give you my theory in about 20 seconds. 805 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,940 A survival technique. 806 00:43:08,250 --> 00:43:13,858 Like, if I don't feel whole, well, secure, the way I feel whole, 807 00:43:13,954 --> 00:43:18,898 well, secure, righteous is I insulate myself with, like, the case 808 00:43:18,954 --> 00:43:20,626 laws and regulations that I'm following. 809 00:43:20,698 --> 00:43:22,114 Well, I'm following all these rules. 810 00:43:22,162 --> 00:43:23,870 Well, so I'm good. 811 00:43:25,050 --> 00:43:26,350 I'm not like them. 812 00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:30,030 You can't ever conquer these. 813 00:43:31,060 --> 00:43:33,000 You're never going to conquer these. 814 00:43:35,620 --> 00:43:37,920 And human beings want to conquer stuff. 815 00:43:38,340 --> 00:43:39,804 We want to feel like that we've achieved. 816 00:43:39,852 --> 00:43:40,844 We've gotten to the heights. 817 00:43:40,892 --> 00:43:41,720 We're better. 818 00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:49,692 Jesus and God knew very well that one of the first things you 819 00:43:49,716 --> 00:43:52,316 do is take all these holy things and turn them into a self 820 00:43:52,348 --> 00:43:53,640 righteousness project. 821 00:43:56,430 --> 00:43:57,970 It's what humans do. 822 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:22,960 Yeah. 823 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,344 So my dad's just commenting on like this comment that you can't 824 00:44:27,472 --> 00:44:28,960 increase or diminish God's love. 825 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,160 Kind of only wake up to it. 826 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,720 So many people aren't participating in church because they 827 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:33,664 can't realize that. 828 00:44:33,752 --> 00:44:36,880 And I'd say, dad, they can't realize it because there are many 829 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,940 Christians who come to church who haven't realized it fully. 830 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,232 And so they're not embodying it out there in the places where 831 00:44:43,256 --> 00:44:44,640 they live, work, learn and play. 832 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,614 Why would I want to be Christian when your life, it doesn't 833 00:44:48,662 --> 00:44:51,170 look full of the electricity of God's love? 834 00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:57,462 There are a lot of versions of Christianity I don't want to be part 835 00:44:57,486 --> 00:44:59,290 of, frankly. 836 00:45:00,750 --> 00:45:02,518 Doctrine becomes the center. 837 00:45:02,614 --> 00:45:05,158 The case laws and regulations become the center. 838 00:45:05,254 --> 00:45:06,902 Ideas become the center. 839 00:45:07,046 --> 00:45:09,478 For Christianity, the center is one thing. 840 00:45:09,614 --> 00:45:11,650 The love of God is revealed in Christ. 841 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:13,580 That's it. 842 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,460 Yep. 843 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,632 So when you work from the core of these two foundational stones, 844 00:45:23,696 --> 00:45:27,600 things have a way of kind of piecing together or even if they 845 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,504 don't piece together, you can still land in a good place. 846 00:45:31,672 --> 00:45:33,472 There's a freedom with that. 847 00:45:33,656 --> 00:45:34,496 Yeah. 848 00:45:34,688 --> 00:45:37,088 That's how we're trying to learn to read scripture together. 849 00:45:37,144 --> 00:45:40,666 For the record in here is to read from the inside out of the core 850 00:45:40,698 --> 00:45:42,030 of these two stones. 851 00:45:42,850 --> 00:45:43,322 Yeah. 852 00:45:43,386 --> 00:45:44,202 What else? 853 00:45:44,346 --> 00:45:44,810 Other things. 854 00:45:44,850 --> 00:45:47,550 This is stirring in you, Angela, then, Emily. 855 00:45:49,570 --> 00:45:50,430 Yeah. 856 00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:53,306 So, Angela from the lawyer brain. 857 00:45:53,418 --> 00:45:59,018 If churches are like a sort of court or an administrative body, 858 00:45:59,074 --> 00:46:01,178 they've like misused their authority. 859 00:46:01,354 --> 00:46:07,034 They've gone kind of overboard with kind of building new regulations 860 00:46:07,082 --> 00:46:12,746 and case laws that are very man made, human made, that don't 861 00:46:12,778 --> 00:46:16,570 reflect the two great stones and maybe don't even reflect this 862 00:46:16,610 --> 00:46:18,190 up here either. 863 00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:19,946 Other. 864 00:46:20,018 --> 00:46:23,270 Oh, Emily, thank you. 865 00:46:23,570 --> 00:46:23,994 Thanks. 866 00:46:24,042 --> 00:46:25,030 Online people. 867 00:46:25,810 --> 00:46:26,346 What else? 868 00:46:26,378 --> 00:46:27,498 What's stern in you? 869 00:46:27,634 --> 00:46:30,840 Anything else, Adam? 870 00:46:33,980 --> 00:46:35,604 Yeah, yeah, that's a great point. 871 00:46:35,692 --> 00:46:37,620 It goes back to Heather's question about why. 872 00:46:37,660 --> 00:46:41,204 Why do we get lost kind of if these are the core and this is the 873 00:46:41,212 --> 00:46:44,404 core that we want to live for, if we want to be changed by Jesus's 874 00:46:44,452 --> 00:46:47,600 heart from the inside out such that we embody these like he does, 875 00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:52,052 why do we get folk, why do we lose sight and get like stuck in 876 00:46:52,076 --> 00:46:53,668 the case laws and regulations? 877 00:46:53,764 --> 00:47:01,884 Religion becomes performance to gather sort of admiration or approval 878 00:47:01,932 --> 00:47:03,760 that we're so desperately seeking. 879 00:47:04,180 --> 00:47:05,800 And that's a hollow life. 880 00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:08,120 People become means to an end. 881 00:47:09,380 --> 00:47:12,348 Just like job becomes about performance, your career becomes 882 00:47:12,364 --> 00:47:13,196 about performance. 883 00:47:13,348 --> 00:47:16,588 Everything becomes about performance because you're you're 884 00:47:16,604 --> 00:47:20,000 trying to gather more worth for yourself. 885 00:47:23,950 --> 00:47:29,862 Essential one is as they come up we want to be shaped by God from 886 00:47:29,886 --> 00:47:33,686 the inside out, by continuous companionship with God. 887 00:47:33,718 --> 00:47:37,862 That's discipleship essential one of our church Number two, we 888 00:47:37,886 --> 00:47:40,758 don't want to be humble and hungry and willing to seek Jesus. 889 00:47:40,934 --> 00:47:44,678 And number three, we want to live with grace and the great commands 890 00:47:44,694 --> 00:47:45,510 at the core. 891 00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:48,228 Those are the first three to discipleship essentials. 892 00:47:48,324 --> 00:47:50,880 The next two weeks we'll do the last two. 893 00:47:54,380 --> 00:47:58,932 Thank you for participating in the conversation happening at Heaven 894 00:47:58,996 --> 00:48:00,356 Earth Church. 895 00:48:00,548 --> 00:48:06,160 Your next opportunity to do so live is this Sunday morning, 9:30am 896 00:48:06,860 --> 00:48:11,044 Eastern Time, either at the main campus at 3:09 East Main in 897 00:48:11,052 --> 00:48:15,726 Whiteland, Indiana or or online at YouTube Live. 898 00:48:15,878 --> 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