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Hello, good afternoon. We begin with breaking news from Buckingham Palace.

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The King will go ahead with a state visit to

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the United States next month. Have you ever looked to

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the news and thought to yourself, is this really the

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right time to be trying to sell things? Welcome to

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the Resilient Retail Game Plan. I'm Catherine Erdly and in

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the next few minutes, you're about to get powerful real

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world retail strategies from insights shared both from my guests and myself,

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backed up by my 25 years in the retail industry.

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Keep listening to learn how to grow a thriving, profitable product business.

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Let's jump in with this latest episode. I saw a

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post on social media recently from a small brand saying

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how hard it feels to sell right now.

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The world is feeling chaotic, everything feels uncertain, and they

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were wondering whether it was even appropriate to be trying to sell products.

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And the thing is, is that's not the first post

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of this kind that I've seen. I probably see, if

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not one a day, then at least a couple handful

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a week of people talking about this and talking about

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how they found it really hard to show up on social media,

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how they've been struggling in their small business to keep

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showing up and keep selling. And it reminds me of

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the meme that Vicky from the incredible card company Mean Mail,

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if you don't follow Mean Mail, then go check them out.

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She shares this meme every so often and it shows

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the world literally on fire. And then there's Will Ferrell saying,

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does anybody want any more cards? And sometimes she posts

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it with a blank and other people repost it with

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their own products in. But the thing is, is it's

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funny because it captures something that so many independent business owners feel.

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The world can feel like it's falling apart and meanwhile

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you're trying to sell candles, cards, jewelry or clothing.

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And the fact is that this can feel really uncomfortable.

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For many people who start product businesses, the idea of

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going out there and proactively selling is something that doesn't

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necessarily come naturally to us. So when we do put

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ourselves out there and maybe we don't get always the

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reaction that we want, or maybe we look around and

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all we see stories that make us feel like maybe

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this isn't the right time, it can feel really, really difficult and really,

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really uncomfortable. This is the only thing I would say though,

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about all of this, which is that this is a

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conversation I have had so many times with business owners over the years.

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And I started my business in 2018, in 2020, of course,

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we had the pandemic. This was something that people really grappled with.

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And if you were running your business back in 2020,

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then you may well really resonate with that, that people

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were being criticised for leaving their houses to going to the post box,

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for example, to keep posting things out to keep their business going.

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And it's something that comes up when the news cycle

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is particularly difficult or full on, which feels like most

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of the time these days.

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I've heard it during recessions and whenever people are feeling

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overwhelmed and people ask, is this really the time to be selling?

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Is this really the time? Is it appropriate for me

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to be getting out there and sharing about my business?

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Personally, I think that there's lots of different layers to this.

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I've often said that running your own business, it's a

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lot like a crash course in therapy. It makes you

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confront all kinds of different things about yourself. It makes

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you confront the way that you think about money. It

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makes you confront how you believe in yourself and your self worth.

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It can really be something that's quite challenging. And every

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time you put yourself out there and you don't see

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sales coming back in, it can make you feel like

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there's a judgment on you personally. And every time you

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go out there and you do see sales coming in

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and sales are going really well, then you might ask yourself,

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is this going to last? How long is this going to last for?

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And is it all going to end? So there's already

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a lot of noise, as it were, mental noise that

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goes on in people's heads when they're running their business.

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Because I honestly think that unless you've actually stood in

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front of people with your products in front of you

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and offered them to them and asked them if they want to buy,

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then you may not be aware of just how challenging

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and confronting that is to you as a person. So

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if you have friends who don't have their own business or family,

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they may not get it. They get the. It's almost

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like the existential angst of having to put yourself out there day in,

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day out. So I think that that is part of the issue.

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I think that also we're just exposed to so much information online.

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it means that whenever there are very difficult things happening,

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which is a lot of the time, then we're constantly in it.

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It can feel like there's no switch off and so

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it all lands on our screens and it's all something

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that we're then having to almost. It's like a hurdle

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that we have to overcome. Before we even get into

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the difficult part about showing up and selling our products,

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selling our business, which even without all of this noise going on,

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it can also feel really difficult. So it's easy if

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you think about it to look at all of this and say,

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isn't this frivolous? Isn't this just something that's not that important?

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Who cares about what I sell right now? Or even worse,

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is it wrong for me to be promoting my products

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when all this is going on? And if you've ever

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grappled with these thoughts, if any of this is resonating with you,

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if you're nodding along thinking yes, I definitely have had those thoughts,

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then I just want you to know that's completely normal.

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through the same thing. I talk to it with my

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one to one clients. I talk to it inside my group programs,

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inside the Resilient Retail Club. People bring this up all

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the time that they say that either they almost disengage

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and then they find it really hard to re-engage or

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they've been trying to keep engaged, but it's been a struggle.

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So it's completely natural. It's probably part of the business

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journey and it's also something that many, many people experience.

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However, the problem with all of this is that you,

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it can also become a self fulfilling prophecy and it

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can stop you from doing the thing that your business

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actually needs to do. And here's the thing that's worth remembering.

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While small business owners are sitting there wondering if they should wait,

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if they should pause or tone things down, the big businesses,

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they just keep going. They keep selling, they keep marketing,

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they keep launching products. Partly because they have a duty to their shareholders,

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partly because it's run by salaried employees and not people

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who are having to kind of grapple with these thoughts

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and these moral dilemmas individually, but also partly because they

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understand something very fundamental, which is that for a lot of people,

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the show must go on. People still live their lives.

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They still celebrate birthdays, they still buy gifts, they still decorate their homes,

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they still treat themselves. And if the big brands keep

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showing up while the independent brands step back, guess who

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the customer ends up going to? I can assure you

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100% that at any time of crisis, the big retailers,

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they are not thinking about whether or not they should be still advertising.

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to keep engaging a customer, even when the customer may be distracted.

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they just keep rolling and here's the irony of it all.

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Even though the big businesses, they don't trouble themselves with any of this,

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they keep going. The independent businesses are actually the ones,

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in my personal opinion, are the least detrimental form of

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selling that there is. If you think about why you

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started your business and you think about why the people

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that you know started their business. I've worked with hundreds of retailers,

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small businesses, e-commerce businesses over the last eight years that

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I've been running my own business.

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or if ever almost meet people who started their small

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business because the only thing that they cared about was

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getting richer at the expense of other people. Now, there

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is nothing wrong with wanting to start your small business

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with the intention of getting rich. I completely am 100% behind that.

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If you're sitting here listening to this, I'm willing to

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bet that you and everybody that you know who runs

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a small business started it because you wanted to do something better.

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You wanted to reconnect with your creativity. You loved curating

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or creating products that you were really passionate about. You

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wanted to build something meaningful.

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You wanted to connect with your community. You care about your customers.

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vast majority of people that I speak to, they want

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to do things a better way. They've seen a gap in the market,

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they've seen a lack in the way that things are currently done,

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and they really, really want to do things better. Almost the overwhelming majority,

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to the point where I can barely think of anyone

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who doesn't fit this mould. They start their business, and

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I'm sure you did too, because they wanted to leave

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the world as a better place than it currently is.

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So they care deeply about the way that they source their products.

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They care deeply about the people that make the products.

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They care deeply about their customers, how they send their products out.

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They spend hours agonizing over the sustainability of their packaging

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or the choices that they're making. So you are not

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the people who are the ones who should be wondering

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if what you're doing is right right now, because you

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are a force for good. I truly believe that small

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businesses are a force for good, that they help communities,

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that they help customers, that they help show that there's a kinder,

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better way of making the retail industry and that you

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really should be showing up and sharing what you do

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and what you have with the world. So if you've

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got a product that genuinely brings joy, is useful, or helps with connection,

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if you've got one of those products and it can help your customers,

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then you are almost duty bound to sell it. So

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if you've been sitting there thinking, should I be talking about this?

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Yes, 100% you should be talking about this. Are you

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thinking that everyone's going to be watching you talking about your business,

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thinking, this is really inappropriate given the state of the world?

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No, they are going to be delighted to see somebody who is ethical,

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who's considered, who has really thought about the products that

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they create or curate, putting them out into the world

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with connection and with joy.

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If you're listening to this and you're thinking, okay, all right,

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sort of believe you, maybe, but is anybody spending money?

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my talk last week in Retail Roar, I ran through

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some of the industry stats in terms of what's been going on,

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but essentially the headline news is that spending is broadly

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in line with the year before. So, yes, people are buying.

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that is known as the lipstick effect or small luxuries.

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You may have heard about this already, but there's evidence

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to show that at times of economic downturn or great uncertainty,

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people don't stop buying completely. Instead, they often shift towards smaller treats,

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things that make them feel better, things that help them

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connect with people that they love. I saw this very

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clearly recently on Mother's Day. I went to Columbia Road

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Flower Market in London. It was absolutely heaving.

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If you've never been to Columbia Road Flower Market, it

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is quite literally what I would call my happy place.

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It is a road full of stalls full of flowers.

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They are only open from 10 till 3 on a Sunday.

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But surrounding this market there are some incredible, beautiful independent retailers.

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So it's an absolute haven of independent retail. And another favourite of mine,

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a really great market. And everywhere you looked, people were

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carrying huge bunches of flowers. People buying flowers for their mums,

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people buying flowers for themselves, people buying little gifts, people buying house plants.

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And it really struck me how important this is. These things aren't frivolous,

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they aren't meaningless. It's how we as humans show love

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to each other in many different ways. It's how we mark special moments.

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It's how we connect with each other. And if you'll listen to this,

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you're most likely an independent retailer or e-commerce business that

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a lot of your products will be bought as gifts,

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either self gifts or gifts for others. And gifting is important.

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You're providing those moments.

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to people that they care about in their lives or

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to themselves and say, I love you. Here is something special.

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then you're being part of people wanting the best for their children.

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If you are selling jewelry, again, it's part of that gifting process.

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If you're selling fashion, it's how people express themselves. None

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of this is trivial and it can be easy to

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fall into the trap of thinking that, oh, I just

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sell candles or I just sell this, and is this

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really important right now? But the thing is, is you're

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doing so much more than that. You have built a business,

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you have built a community, you are doing things a

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better way than has been done for at least the last 60,

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what you believe in and that is really, really important.

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Now, having said all of that, I also completely understand

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how difficult it can be to show up online when

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the news cycle feels overwhelming. As I said, I'm not

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100% sure our nervous systems are really designed to take

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in this amount of content all at once. And I

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think it can be a lot. So here's a practical

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thing that I often suggest to people is make sure

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that you've got a personal account for your social media.

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It's a really good idea at any point anyway. But having that separation,

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having a business social media where you are only following

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accounts or interacting with people on themes, on accounts, on

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content that is really related to your business, that will

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help you have that separation.

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And then I'm not saying that you need to stick

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your head in the sand. I'm not saying that you

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need to ignore everything that's going on. But if you want to engage,

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follow the news, engage with what's going on, do that

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under your personal profile so that you have some kind of separation.

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Because what a lot of people describe to me is

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that they almost feel ambushed. Like they go into their

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social media and they just don't know what they're going

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to be faced with. Or they just, they get very

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much sucked in because it's something they're interested in, but

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then very quickly feel overwhelmed. But I think having your

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business account and your personal account can be really helpful.

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Because imagine this, if you were working in an office for a company,

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then they wouldn't expect you to be engaging with news

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or outside content unless that was, of course, your job during the day,

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they'd expect you to be focusing on your work and

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then looking at that in your personal time.

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And I think that because lots of us work from

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home or work for ourselves in a studio or a shop,

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then the lines can get blurred. So if you can

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create that boundary again and almost every time you open up the apps,

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ask yourself, am I going on here to consume as a personal person,

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or am I going on here to engage as a

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business and pick the right account and it can really

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help social media for your business feel a little bit

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calmer and a little bit less fraught. This is something

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that I myself did in my business. I realized that

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I was definitely getting distracted when I went on to my business Instagram,

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and I had to be very disciplined and unfollow all

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the people that I had been following, refollow them from my personal account,

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and get much more intentional. I did that around the

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beginning of the year and it has made a significant difference to me.

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I felt that I've been much more able to show

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up on social media, talk about what I need to

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do for the business rather than getting distracted and sucked

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into the things that I would be following on my personal account.

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And then obviously, when I want to look at my personal account,

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then that's completely separate. So if you've been feeling conflicted

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about selling right now, I just want to say this.

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Your work matters. The world needs you. The world needs what you do.

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Independent businesses bring creativity, connection and joy into people's lives.

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Selling something that genuinely improves someone's day is not trivial.

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Helping people express love and connection that they have for

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one another is not trivial. It's part of how communities function.

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So yes, the world can feel uncertain, but it doesn't

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mean you stop showing up.

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And in many ways it means that what you do matters even more.

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