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Welcome to the

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Peak Revival Podcast.

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My name is Vesta.

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I'm gonna talk about

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why stress is not the

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enemy and how it makes us

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stronger under pressure.

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Now, are you someone who

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avoids stress, who can't

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wait to get through stress?

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Or are you someone that

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kind of dives straight

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into challenges knowing

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that it will create stress?

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But you're okay with

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that because you've

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got somewhere to go.

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You've got the drive,

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you're on a mission, and

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it doesn't matter, right?

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So I see both, right?

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I see women on a mission,

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and then I also see women

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who have, been so stressed

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for such a long time that

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it's led to burnout and.

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Why I wanna talk about

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this is because stress

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gets a really bad name, and

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in this podcast I really

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wanna differentiate between

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stress and challenges

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because stress is more

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of an emotional response.

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And challenges are

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what comes up that we

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can't always control.

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Or if we are moving in a

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certain direction, like

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we are wanting to do big

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things in our business or in

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the world, we are going to

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come up against challenges.

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And that's very normal.

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But that can create,

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feelings of tension

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and stress within us.

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but not all of it's bad.

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Okay.

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So in the early

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part of discovering.

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You know, going from burnout

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to peak performance, I thought

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the only way for people to

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recover if they were burnt

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out is to remove all the

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stress from their life.

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And so I went about, you

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know, helping people to do

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that through, helping them

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with their relationships,

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with their, you know,

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work schedules and all

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of that kind of stuff.

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But really the results

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were a bit lackluster.

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Okay.

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Because.

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One, we are never

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going to remove all the

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challenges from our life,

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and we don't need to.

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Okay?

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Because actually challenges

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are part of this life.

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And if you're in business,

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it can feel like an

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emotional rollercoaster.

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And in business, or if you're

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doing anything that's, you

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know, creating something

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new in the world, there's

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going to be challenges,

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and that's very normal.

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But challenges help us

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to stretch and grow.

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You know, I was hearing a

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doctor say the other day that

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actually when we run and do,

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any kind of heavy lifting or

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any kind of workout, or even

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if we break our bone, we're

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getting a fracture, a stress

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fracture, and I've had a

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few, and actually it becomes,

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you know, the bone becomes

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even stronger at that point.

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So it stimulates bone growth.

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Okay.

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And that same with exercise.

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We know with muscle growth,

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if you train so hard that you.

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Trained to the point of

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failure, like you can't

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do another rep, right?

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You actually, your

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muscle fibers tear

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and then they grow.

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And so even in our body

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on a physical level.

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You know

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that stress makes

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us grow and thrive.

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And then when you look at

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life, like, think about

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the moments in your life

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where you had a significant

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challenge to overcome, and

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maybe it was an illness, or

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maybe it was a divorce or a

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bankruptcy, but some kind of

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major turning point in your

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life that was very stressful.

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But actually from that place.

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So much changed about you,

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who you are as a person,

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or the results that you've

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had created in your life.

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Like it brought about

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a significant change in

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your life due to a very

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stressful, painful event.

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so in that way.

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Yeah, these challenges

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really force us through,

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you know, within our body

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or from life coming at us

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or within our business.

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They force us to

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stretch and grow.

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And when you think about it,

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that's why we set challenges.

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That's why we set deadlines.

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That's why we move, like

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if you're on a mission

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or you want to do things

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differently or you wanna

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become more successful,

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like there's a driver there.

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To push you because there's

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going to be significant

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growth and part of our

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innate drive is to become the

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best versions of ourselves.

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You know, I talked about

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it before Abraham Maslow

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and the hierarchy of needs.

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He said, we are always

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striving to self-actualize

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to become the best versions.

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Who we are, who we can

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be, because that gives

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us meaning in our life.

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Okay?

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And so if you are going

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to step forward into

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self-actualization or

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being the best that you

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can be, you are going to

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come up against challenges,

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which can create stress.

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But stress isn't all bad

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because it's creating

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so much growth for us.

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But we need a recovery plan.

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otherwise we are going

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to just burn out, okay?

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We're not going to be able

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to cope with that level

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of stress or challenge.

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So Kelly McGonal, she

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wrote a book called

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The Upside of Stress.

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In her research, she

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found that stress, if you

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deemed stress as not bad,

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it didn't affect your

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health in a negative way.

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But if you saw stress

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as harmful, then it

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actually did have negative

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health consequences.

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And so She also found in

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her research that when

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we're stressed, our body

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also releases a hormone

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called oxytocin, which

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is kind of, you know,

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she calls it the cuddle

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hormone or the love hormone

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that also gets released.

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That encourages us

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to seek, support or

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protection, and that also

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boosts our resilience.

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A part of Kelly's research

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was, you know, this view on

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how you see stress, right?

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And so if you see it as bad,

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it's gonna have a bad effect.

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And if you don't see

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it as bad, it doesn't

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have a bad effect.

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And this can look like, like I

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remember, um, hearing a story,

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I think it was an interview

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with Bruce Springsteen, the

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singer, and he said that, I

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think someone asked him like

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before, do you ever get stage

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fright or do you, you know,

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and he's like, no, but before

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I go out on stage, I just

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get so much energy in my body

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that I'm virtually shaking

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and I just know that I'm

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ready to get out there and,

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and do my best performance.

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And the interviewer was like.

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But that's anxiety, that's

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stress, that's stage.

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You know?

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And he's like, oh no, I just

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feel like I'm getting ready

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for the best performance.

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Right?

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And so it was that

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way of viewing it that

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wasn't harmful to him.

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'cause he saw it as his bo

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body was prepping him to give

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the best show of his life.

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Right?

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So it was a positive

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thing for him.

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It was helping him, it

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was encouraging him rather

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than, uh, being an obstacle.

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And when you look at it, like

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people who have, jitters or

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exam jitters or get nervous

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before an exam and they're

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looking at footballers

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who said before they get.

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That pregame anxiety, they

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didn't see it as anxiety.

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They saw it as being amped

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up for the best game.

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But the pre, you know, the

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exam jitters and the pregame

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anxiety are exactly the

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same psychological response.

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It's just one is

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viewed as helpful and

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one is viewed as not.

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And that is what Kelly

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McGonagal was pointing to

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was that if we saw those

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scenarios, is actually our

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body is just prepping us

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to get into the game to

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overcome these challenges.

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'cause really the

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stress response is

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just about releasing.

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So much energy in the body

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that you can fight or flight,

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do what you need to do, right?

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So if we viewed it as

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something that was supporting

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us rather than hindering

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us, then that would have a

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completely different reaction

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on our body, which is pretty

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fascinating, which really

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does make sense, right?

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When you hear those

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examples of the footballers

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pre-game and the exam jitt.

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I remember reading a book

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about a guy called Josh Kin.

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He was a really

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high performer.

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I think he was like a

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chess savant or something

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like that, but from a very

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young age, he became a

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world champion in chess.

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Okay.

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And then he decided to try his

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hand at, I think it was pretty

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sure it was martial arts.

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And then later on, um,

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I think in his twenties

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he became the world

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champion in martial arts.

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So he became world

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champion of two completely

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different sports, which

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is pretty amazing.

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And they asked him, they

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said, well, you must be

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really gifted, you know?

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And he said, no, I don't put

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that down as being gifted.

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He goes, I really, the way

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that I became so successful

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is I learn to balance.

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Uh, and juggle or

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balance between

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stress + recovery

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okay?

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And so he really

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saw that stress.

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If you combine stress

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and recovery, you

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can master skills.

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You can become a

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champion, okay?

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And when you look at it,

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athletes, they put themselves

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under extreme physical,

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mental, emotional stress.

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Yet they are champions.

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Okay?

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And they always have

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a recovery plan.

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They always look after

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their body and their sleep

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and things like that.

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I remember reading about a

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runner, and I can't remember

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her name, but she, she

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ended up becoming like a

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bronze, uh, she won a bronze

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medal in the Olympics, but.

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She said what really changed

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and made her a champion

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was that she focused on her

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self-care, sleep and nutrition

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and she said she was sleeping.

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I remember it being

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something crazy like

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14 or 16 hours a day.

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Like she would have a long

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sleep at night and then she

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would sleep during the day.

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And actually that was

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her performance enhancer.

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It wasn't that she was

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running more or doing any

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different training, she

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actually just supported her

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physical body more and she

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became a champion from that.

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And I think that

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really points to.

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If these, athletes and

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people are using stress in

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a way, but balancing it with

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recovery to become champions,

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then we can do that in

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our everyday life as well.

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So, as I said, mostly I see

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people who have suffered

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the long-term effects of

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stress and it starts to

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impact their performance,

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their mental health, their

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metabolism, their energy.

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And there is a lot that you

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can do to, you know, stop

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stress or challenges in

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your life, and particularly

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if you have a lot.

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That you carried.

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If there's a lot of decisions

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that you have to make, um,

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and there's a lot of people

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that you have to look after,

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then there's a lot that you

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can do to support yourself

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through a recovery plan to

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make sure that you are still

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maintaining peak performance.

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Okay?

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So you're not dropping

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down into burnout.

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the way that I look at a

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recovery planet has to have

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nutrition, good nutrition

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in there, and good nutrition

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doesn't look like, you know,

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doing fad diets or, you

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know, cutting out major food

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groups from your diet or

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anything like that, right?

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So normally when I see women,

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when they're exhausted and

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stressed, we need to have

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a very balanced approach

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to the macros in order to

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get the right nutrients in

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the, to do the repair work.

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So looking at nutrition,

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whole foods, cutting out

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processed foods and sugars

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and things like that.

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They are just gonna create

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more stress on the body.

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They are just gonna

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push you further down.

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Secondly, sleep.

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As I mentioned, the runner,

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she, all she did was increase

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her sleep and improve her

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nutrition, and she became a

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champion just through those.

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Okay, so sleep is so

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important for recovery.

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So even if you're going

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through a really busy time

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or a challenging time and you

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can feel yourself becoming,

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you know, run down, then

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that would be the time to

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go to bed even earlier.

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Okay.

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8:39 PM It sounds crazy, but

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if you can, I know it feels

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like that is way too early and

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you're missing out on life,

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but those are the moments

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that are going to help make

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your recovery a lot faster.

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And the third thing you wanna

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look at is creating mental

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space or mental clarity.

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So stop overthinking things.

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Stop over,

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catastrophizing, pause.

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The mental noise,

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the mental chatter.

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You know, don't overthink

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every scenario because

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the busier our nineties.

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The more stressed our body

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is, the more we're in a

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state of stress, the more

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we activate the fight or

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flight re response, right?

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So we're activating it through

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our thinking and so the best

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that you can let go, a lot

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of the stuff that you carry

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around that you can't seem

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to let go at the moment, do

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the best that you can to let

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that go because it will help

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to relax the body and start

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to allow the body to recover.

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sometimes what's really

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good is to get yourself

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out of your environment.

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So if you are someone who is

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working all day, cognitively,

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so if you're on the computer

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and you've got high stake

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decisions to make, or you're

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just using your brain all

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day, which is most people

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today, then you wanna look at.

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Doing something that takes

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you completely away from that,

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like going out into nature,

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going for a walk, like taking

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the weekend and going for a

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really long walk or a hike.

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And that gets you away

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from all the devices.

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'cause that actually helps

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to, to reset the mind then,

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okay, so you sitting down

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and watching Netflix is

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not going to reset your

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mind because you're still

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using your mind, right?

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I hope that makes sense.

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So you wanna make sure

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that your, your rest

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matches your stress.

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So if you're on the computer

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all day, you wanna be away

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from all devices 'cause that's

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not gonna help you recover.

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But sometimes just taking

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yourself out of your

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environment, breaking

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your routine, can help to

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really reset the system.

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So I'd love to hear

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your comments below.

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If you see the comment box on.

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You know what is helpful

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for you to see that

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stress is not the enemy,

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that actually we can use

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stress to help us to grow.

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And every opportunity or every

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challenge that we have is

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just another learning curve.

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It's another learning curve.

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Right?

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And as frustrating as it

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is, and I know after a point

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where I have so many things go

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wrong, it's like, come on now.

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But actually when you come

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through the other end, you

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realize how much you've

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learned, but at the same time,

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you want to make sure that you

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have a recovery plan, that you

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are taking care of yourself

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so you don't burn out.

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Let me know your

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comments below.