All right. Oksana Hansen. Super excited to have

you on. You were just saying that you were, like,

I was saying, an OG Applied Quantum Biology

certified practitioner. You're like, I was an

early adopter. Came in back when we. Right around

when we first launched in 2022.

Yeah. It's been quite the journey. Thanks so much

for having me on today.

Oh, it's my total pleasure. I'm really looking

forward to hearing your story and hearing how you

landed in a certification for Applied Quantum

Biology when you started out in sales and tech as

an executive in San Francisco. That's quite the

trajectory. I love it. Yeah. So tell us your

story, because, you know, it's. You've made a lot

of leaps, and I think it's really helpful for

people to hear how. How those leaps happened and

what could be possible for them and be able to

relate. So you were an executive in the San

Francisco Bay area. You were married. Did you

have children at the time?

So is it okay if we start a little bit earlier

than that?

Because.

Yeah. Is that okay, Please?

Absolutely. Take us where we need to go to get

the full, full trajectory.

So I was born and raised in Russia, and my family

immigrated to the United states in late 1991. And

it was because my mother had a very rare form of

cancer called osteosarcoma, and it was in her

jaw. It had moved up to her brain. And so from,

like, the age of seven on, my life was filled

with doctors, visits, hospitals, surgeries. Like,

it was like this life kind of began without me

even knowing it. And, of course, because my

mother was only 30 years old at the time, like, I

just assumed, and I thought that's what happens.

Like, people in my family, they get cancer, they

die early. My mom's mom had died at 50. So, like,

I just set out on this course thinking, like, I'm

not going to have a long life. Like, I might as

well enjoy it because, you know, did there was.

Did your mother survive or. No.

She did. Yeah. So it was one of the craziest

cancer, like, surgeries that they did. They still

have, like, all over her files. Do not delete any

of this. Like, it's insane. But they basically

ended up removing the entire right side of her

face. So, yeah, so they, like, peeled off the

skin and dug everything out. All the tissue, all

the bone, her eye, like, her palette. Like, I

mean, everything from the brain down, she ended

up having. Honestly, I've lost count at this

point. It's probably in the upwards of, like, 30

different surgeries. She's still alive today.

It's a miraculous, miraculous story. But really,

like, it's funny because my journey kind of

started with that initiation, like as a very,

very small child.

Yeah.

Being thrown into the, this world of sickness,

doctor care, surgeries and all these other things

which I'm so grateful for. Right. Like we talk

about like in the alternative world, like those

are the situations where like you want that kind

of standard of care. But since then, and this was

like 30 plus odd years ago, you know, her health

has taken a big degradation. And so as being her

healthcare advocate and going through my own

journey, which I'll share in a second, like I've

learned, like we need people to advoc for like

our own healthcare journeys and also be there for

other people's like in their healthcare journey

to advocate for them as well. And when I say

healthcare, I just mean health, not the actual,

you know. You know what I mean? Yes, yes.

You need someone on the inside with paying

attention.

Yes.

Asking every step of the way, is this the best

thing to do? Is this in the best interest of my

mother or my. Whoever it is? Yeah, absolutely. So

that is something that I've seen happen. You

probably did too, you know, in your experience.

Yeah. You where you end up with multiple

specialists and multiple doctors and everyone's

got a different drug or a different intervention.

And it's like who's thinking about the person,

not just the patient.

And the way like I like to describe my experience

with my mom is there was a bunch of silos. So

there she had like oncology, she had the

radiation, she had, you know, the surgeons, she

had the ear, nose, throat doctor, she had the

brain tumor doctor, she had this doc. Right.

Like, so there's so many people, but it was like

there was no one person looking at the whole

picture. So like you'd get prescribed a

medication that was having this other side

effect. Well then this other specialist is trying

to deal with the side effect and then they're

issued another specialist to deal with that side

effect. And like it was just such a cluster of

information, pills, surgeries, half of which I

think were unnecessary really. But that's not

what we're talking about here. But anyhow, so I

kind of went on with my life when I moved out of

the house, married my husband, moved to the San

Francisco Bay area, was working for tech

startups, like Loving Life, like going out

entertaining clients, like living it up. And like

from the outside perspective, like everybody

thought that I had this like perfect life. And my

husband and I decided that we would Wanted to

raise a family and have children. Well, it took

me about two and a half years to conceive. And so

that was really, like, my first sign that I was

like, huh, okay, maybe this lifestyle is, like,

the late nights. You know, I was working 24 by 7.

It was one of these, like, in. In this industry

where you needed to respond within, like, two

minutes of somebody sending you an email. It's

high stress. I was in sales, so, of course you're

being held to quotas. And, you know, it was just

that crazy kind of lifestyle. But because we

didn't have children, we kind of got accustomed

to that, and, like, we thought it was our norm,

right? And so I was finally able to conceive, and

we had our kids back to back. Because I always

think, like, oh, once the body knows what it's

doing and you're healthy enough, like, you talk

about getting pregnant and you're pregnant again.

So, yeah, our kids. Our kids are very close

together, which is so amazing. And we decided

that somehow, like, it felt like the Bay Area was

no longer. It had lost its luster. After we had

kids, we thought, why are we raising our kids

here? And one of the biggest reasons we moved

across country to Nashville, Tennessee, was

because we thought, okay, we're raising our

children in an area where one, they're going to

have to be, you know, in sales and investment

banker or, you know, one of, like, only a handful

of things, like, you know, an entrepreneur with a

startup or something to get funding. Like, there

was only a handful of things that they could do

outside of, like, marrying into a relationship

that was financially, like, supportive for them

or, like, we would have to support them for the

rest of their lives. And we wanted to, like, it

was really important for us.

Is it so expensive out there? Is that what you're

saying? Like, it's just so impossible.

Yeah, it's impossible to live unless you're. I

mean, my husband had guys working for him that

were, like, six to eight people to an apartment.

These guys were making, like, several hundred

thousand dollars a year, right? So, like, we

didn't want to put our kids in that type of

position where they had to stay in a situation

that wasn't, like, natural to them and kind of

give them the world of opportunity. So I think

the biggest decision that we made was moving

across country, but the decision I didn't make at

that point that I should have was to get out of

technology sales. And I did it because it was

great money. I was really good at it. Moving to

Nashville, especially, like, it was just easy for

me to make that transition. And so we knew we

wanted like a slower lifestyle. We wanted to

raise our kids in a place that felt more aligned

with us. But we didn't make a change when it came

to what we were doing for a living. And that's

when I got diagnosed with my child.

I will say that's a tough call. You know, if

you're supporting your family, it does. It's not

top of mind to change jobs and. But you were, you

had noticed. So starting with your. You had

difficulty conceiving and then you were you

having other health symptoms? That's as well.

Well, and I think what's interesting is we know

the choice to move. Yeah, yeah. It was, you know,

like there was definitely like weight gain,

insomnia, there was like adrenal fatigue, there

was all these other factors. But everyone just

said, like, you're a first time mom or like you

have a newborn at home or you're breastfeeding,

like if you're up every two hours, of course

you're tired. Of course. And somehow all these

things, like in my mind became normal. Like it

was normal to gain weight. It was normal to just

be a walking zombie living off of coffee. It was

normal to have a glass of wine at night to relax

because that's what everybody does. Right. Like,

and it kind of gets you into these habits of

like, you think that's what everybody else is

doing and it gets very normalized.

Yeah, I think that's a, that's a big one. Is. And

you know, I had a similar experience. We, we have

kind of forgotten as a culture what it's like to

feel really good and that it's okay to feel

really good. And we've like layered on all of

these different assaults on our biology. So of

course we don't feel good, but nobody really

does. So like, what's the big deal? It's. Yeah.

And then, and then in order to feel good, that

there are choices that need to be made. So. Okay,

so keep going. So you. Okay, so you had some

awareness that your health wasn't great, but it

was like, oh, well, no, it's fine. Like I'm busy,

I'm a mom. It's like I'm supposed to feel tired

and zombie like all the time, which is what they

tell us. And then 30 years later they tell us

we're supposed to feel like that because we're

not moms anymore, we're getting older. Like, it's

like, okay, we're still moms, but we're not. You

know, it's like every stage of life, it's. There

seems to be a reason why we're supposed to feel

gross and terrible and crappy. I reject it.

I say, not in my world.

Not in our world. Okay, so you get to Nashville,

which is an improvement in many ways, but you're

still not feeling great, and you're still in high

stress drop.

Yeah. And I think, okay, this is the year that

I'm 35 years old. I'm going to take control of my

health. I have no excuses. My kids are like,

three and four at this age. Like, okay, no more

mom bod. Like, I'm gonna start walking every day.

Like, I don't know why I chose walking. Don't

know why I didn't go to the gym. Don't know why I

didn't do a million, like, take Pilates class. I

don't know. Like, I was just like, I'm gonna

start walking every day. So I put my headphones

in, slathered on that sunblock, and went outside

for my.

Because you're in Tennessee. You got to be spfed

to the max every time you leave the house.

To the max. Yep.

Okay.

And I start noticing a growth on my leg. And, you

know, I was one of these people where I saw a

dermatologist twice a year, was very religious

about it, did everything that the dermatologists

told me to do. I had a big spot removed, like,

this size, big, black, brown spot on my back when

I was 12 years old. And so I'd been under a care

of a dermatologist because of my mom's history

with cancer. We were kind of amplified in our

approach when it came to our, you know, health.

And so I was like, man, I don't know what that

growth is, but I need to go find a dermatologist

that's local. And I go get a checkup. She's like,

you're fine. We'll take a biopsy. And then you

get that dreaded call that's like, you need to

come in tomorrow at 7am to see the doctor. And I

was like, well, we know that that's not good news

when they're having you come in, like, first

thing in the morning. And so my husband and I

went in, and that's when I got told that I was

diagnosed with melanoma. And from the second that

they said that, Meredith, like, I was like, this

doesn't make sense. I've been under the care of a

dermatologist seen twice a year, every year since

I was 12. I'm 35 years old. How did I get

diagnosed with melanoma? And to me, like, and

doing everything.

That they said, everything. All their

instructions.

And I'd made such improvements, like, in my

health and my weight. And I was walking every

day. I was spending time outside, and I was like,

this doesn't make sense. I thought this was a

disease, you know, And I'm sorry if this is

offensive, but, like, old white men got, like. I

thought that they got it on their face. And,

like, I didn't know anything else about skin

cancer at that point. And so without being, like,

rushed to fear, I was like, I'm going on vacation

with my family in a couple weeks. Like, let's

talk about the treatment options. But I'm

definitely not going to start anything until I'm

back from this vacation 30 days from now. And I

think they were shocked, like, that I wasn't

gonna, like, rush into making any, like,

treatment decisions right away. And this is when

I felt, like, most empowered out of, like, any

time I ever have in my life, because this will to

live for my children was greater than any

diagnosis that I could get. And I started doing

my own research, and I go to pubmed for the first

time in my life, and I found a study that said,

in melanoma, in particular, because of its

irregular borders, you should be cutting around

10 millimeters around the cancer. And I went to

my surgeon, and I said to her, can we have a

conversation about this? How much are you

planning to cut off? And she said, between 4 to 5

millimeters. And I said, here, can you please

read this study? And, like, I'm a married woman.

I don't care what it looks like. I have young

babies. Like, I need you to cut more than you

think is even necessary. Like, I want you. Like,

if we're going to do this, like, let's make sure

we get all of the cancer. And so I ended up just

having the surgery, no other treatment done,

because I was like, okay, this is how we're going

to handle this situation. I went into the

solution mode, like, at that point to survive.

And again, this was, like, very much I'm still in

that conventional mindset. Like, hadn't really

had, like, my awakening to everything that is

going on and somehow still was very clear and in

my approach to how I wanted to do this treatment,

because I'd seen my mom go through chemo. I'd

seen my mom go through radiation. I wasn't going

to put myself or my family through that. It was

awful. Like, I Didn't want to repeat that

generational cycle of putting my children through

that kind of trauma. And thankfully, I came

across Quantum Biology Collective. So. So I was

having my follow up visits, and at that point, I

think it's either monthly, every other month,

like it was very often for the first two years.

And she kept saying to me, like, you need wear

sunblock. You need to cover up, you need to not

go outside. And I was like, this doesn't make

sense. And if you remember, probably like a year

after that diagnosis that I had, they recalled

Oxybenzone sunblock off the market for causing

cancer. And so I went under my cabinet and I

pulled out this, what I thought was organic

Australian sunblock. And the first ingredient was

Oxybenzone. And I thought to myself, I was making

this healthy change of moving to Nashville,

walking for three miles a day outside, but I was

slathering on this toxic stuff, which I think,

you know, along with lifestyle things and, you

know, seed oils and other things that we now know

can, you know, are correlated with the skin

cancer. But I was slathering on sunblock every

single day. And I truly think that was one of the

major contributing factors. Wow.

That is so interesting because you started the

walking practice. Walking is outside. You are a

diligent patient of lifelong dermatology and

doing everything you can to prevent cancer. So

you started using this sunscreen every day, and

then you ended up with that diagnosis. Wow, okay.

And thankfully, it was in a location where I

personally saw it. Right. Like, one of the

biggest things with, like, melanoma is, you know,

men get it on their back, you know, like, or in

their private areas. Which, again, like, I. I

look at those things and I'm like, that doesn't

make sense. Like, why would someone get skin

cancer in a place that doesn't see the sun?

Right? Like, breast cancer is one of the most

prevalent, like, CANC answers we have today.

Like, I just wonder. I'm like, that's

interesting, right? So as I came across the

Quantum Biology Collective and your message, it

was the first time in my entire life that I was

like, wow, the sun gives life to everything on

Earth. Of course we don't need to be scared of

the sun. Like, it was the first time that I heard

something that actually made sense to me. I'm

like, okay, I don't know anything about quantum

biology health. Like, I didn't have a science

background. Like, my degree was in philosophy. So

all I knew was really like, how to question any

argument and use logic. And to me, like, this

Came, it came so easily because of, I think my

background with my mom's cancer, being around

surgeries, being around doctors, asking all the

questions, being around that industry for so

long, it felt like everything that like I had

experienced led up to this. Like, now I know what

my purpose is in life, and that is to teach

people the actual healing ways of this planet.

Because had I had not, hadn't had those

experiences and maybe get diagnosed with cancer

at 35 and just have the surgery and have it

removed and move on with my life, I wouldn't be

where I am today.

Wow, that's amazing. And I like, I love that you

heard, you heard the message and I love that

philosophy is very practical. You were trained to

seek truth, to under recognize it, and to ask

questions about, of things that don't make sense.

And you are in the perfect position. That's

amazing. So did you quit your job?

Yes. So at the end of, because that.

Is a big deal. And I, you know, I, I, I don't

like, you know, just saying, like, ah, you got to

move to the equator. Ah, you got to quit your

job. Like, these are big important life changes.

So if you did quit your job, that is a huge

decision I'd love to dig into a little because.

Yeah, so within, within six months, I was no

longer employed at that firm. And, and then I had

some time to, really had about a year to figure

out what I wanted to do with my life. And that

was when Covid hit. And so, you know, the whole

universe kind of changed. And I think now that I

was like, empowered of like, questioning

everything. I was like, oh, I don't have to

think, take things at face value. I can do my own

research. I may not have a ton of experience in

this stuff, but I can read, you know, studies and

information and decipher and really like, trust

that intuition. Like, I guess that's the one

thing that we haven't really touched on is

there's a lot of like, trusting yourself and the

guidance that you're getting from God, the

universe, whatever you want to call it, that I

had drowned that voice for a long time and now it

was amplified. It was like, you're empowered.

Just take the time to like, slow down and listen.

And all of a sudden I was getting like, very,

very, very clear messages unlike anything that

I've ever done before. And also had the strength

to back up my stance on those, on those messages

and the preferences. I was like, I'm no longer

saying yes just to be a people pleaser or for it

to be convenient. Like, I need to protect my

energy, my family's energy, and. And things just

kind of started falling into place. Some most

powerful word in the English language is no.

I love it. It's so true. And it's. It's hard. You

don't realize how many little tentacles and

threads of energy, connective tissue that we feel

responsible for. And we feel like that no might.

I'm trying to articulate my experience when I say

no. Yeah. And it's feels like I'm going to sever

them all, and then I'll be, you know, everyone's

going to be harmed or something. And. Yeah. I

just had a situation where I had to make a choice

about something, and I ended up saying no. And it

was like. Like, oh. I mean, when it came time to

do it, it was easy, but, like, getting to.

Getting to the decision was it's a process. And I

appreciate you bringing that up because sometimes

we tell our stories and we're like, oh, then I

did this and then I did that, and it's like,

yeah, but cultivating the internal fortitude and

intuition to come to those decisions is no small

thing.

Well, and I. I think, because I am very logical

and practical, too. So it's like, I love to

philosophize, but I love to like, okay, how could

we make this into a. Something you can actually

implement? So what we did in our family is we put

up a whiteboard and we said, what are our family

ethics and values? And for two weeks, we left

this whiteboard up. And anytime you thought of a

value that was important to you, you would go and

write it up on this board. And after the two

weeks was done, the four of us had written a lot

of different things, but what I noticed was a lot

of similar themes. And how old were children?

But just curious, when you did this exercise.

Maybe seven and eight. Okay. So I love it. Yeah.

So you're all in there. People, they would just

have an idea, they walk by, they'd write up, you

jot it up.

Like adventure, fun. Right. Friends, love. Right.

All the different things. We had so many things,

but I noticed certain themes. And so what I did

was I narrowed down all the things that were

written on this whiteboard to five key

principles. And I had an artist make a custom

artwork for me, and we hang it up right outside

of our garage door. So we look at it every time

we exit and enter our house, and this is our way

that we make decisions. If it does not meet three

out of the five core values for the Hansen,

Family values. The answer is an automatic no.

Oh, my gosh, that's so good. And I love that

because I do feel a little bit of your corporate

background coming into play. Right. Like, this

is, like, totally, like, a strategic planning

exercise. I've been there. Yes, but why not apply

it to the family? That's brilliant.

Right? Everybody's needs and values get heard

like they're overlapping themes. We all agree on

that. It doesn't mean can't get revisited. Maybe

we revisit it now, but, like, you know, ours is

like, health, community, love, safety. Right. And

adventure. And if, like, those are the things

that are valuable to us right now. And there.

It's really easy when you apply this principle to

say yes or no to things, because at the end of

the day, it's not personal. But if I don't feel,

like, safe or if I don't feel, like loved or in

community, like, it's going to be a no. And

that's because it's not aligning with my core

value. And so you can kind of take, like, that

spiritual aspect and apply it, like, practically

to your everyday life.

Absolutely. I love this. This is. I'm. This,

like, yeah, I'm the same way. I'm like, okay, but

what is, like, what does this mean in. In the

real terms? And these. Yeah. Sort of ethereal,

like, oh, my intuition and this and that. No, it

can be extremely practical, and I. I like to

coach people about that with their too. And it's

like, this is your business. So if it doesn't

align, like, if you. If. If you get nauseous

going on social media, then let's build a

strategy where you don't need to do that. Right.

Like, it's. You're allowed to craft the

experience that you want to have in this world,

and that is living in alignment with who you are

and your. What you want. And that's. And which is

an extremely practical way forward. Love it. What

a beautiful thing to do for your family and. And

to show your children how to do that. I love that.

Thank you. Well, I think it's just showing up and

telling them it's okay to say no. It's okay to

question things. Like, I want to raise

independent thinkers. I want them to learn how to

think, not to memorize things, which is why I

homeschool my children. And, you know, you come

across my kids, they can look you in the eye,

they can have a conversation with you. Like,

they're, you know, they're wild and free. They,

like, we have a couple Acres at our lake house.

And they're like, climbing the trees in the

forest, building forts and doing all these

things. Like, they're the happiest kids. Like, I,

I look at that. And I was like, my whole journey

was worth it just so my children can be children

and have this amazing childhood that maybe I

didn't get to experience, but I get to, like,

live vicariously through them. Like seeing how

carefree and happy and wild they are. Yeah.

Oh, that's amazing. I know. There's nothing,

nothing brings joy like watching children be

children, especially outside. Right. Like, it's,

there's just. I don't know. It is truly one of

the most joyful experiences, experiences a person

can have. I think watching children, like, run

around and climb trees and jump in the water and

just enjoy, Enjoy their childhood. And I love

too, because you know what I'm also hearing? It's

like, I think sometimes we feel afraid to change

tracks in life or we are changing tracks and we

feel like, I don't know anything about this new.

You know, I'm doing this instead of that. And so

I'm starting from zero. And what I hear that you

did that I really like to remind people is that

there are always transferable skills and

experiences. Right. And I'm hearing you, like,

take some really great stuff from your years in

corporate life. And like, I, for me, it's like

God or our higher power will, like, take whatever

you have to offer and make it relevant and useful

in this, in this, in the new path. And I notice

you doing that. I love it.

Well, I think, I think if I were to hear what you

said is like, you can always reinvent yourself.

It's never too late. Right? Like, so our path

isn't predetermined. Like, you have free will.

And so I think the biggest thing that most people

have a fear about, and I had this fear too, until

a few years ago, is the fear of being really

seen. And.

Yeah.

And I. And I think, well, why is that? Well, am I

living authentically? Am I living my life

honestly? Right? Am I living my life with

integrity? Meaning, like, how I feel on the

inside. I'm living outwardly. Right? Like, so

being a people pleaser like that to me is the

definition of maybe not living with integrity.

Right? You're making yourself small. I played

small for a really long time because I didn't

want to make other people feel uncomfortable.

Like, that wasn't me living with integrity. And

once I kind of flipped that switch of that fear

of being seen, I was like, I deserve to be loved.

Every single person in this universe deserves to

be loved. But I deserve to be loved for who I am,

not who I'm pretending to be. So as a people

pleaser, like, that wasn't the true and honest

and authentic me. And so if I deserve love, true

love, I have to show who I am. And with that

really came a lot of strength to make some of

these decisions in life. Of like, okay, if this

is in alignment with me, I have to live with

integrity. I have to say no.

Yes. And then when we, I think that opens up us

up to being able to receive that love and to be

seen, because we know, oh, they're loving the

real deal. They're not loving a version that I'm

pretending to be to not make anyone mad or

something. And so this, this inner growth, this

spiritual growth came from and really an

exploration into your physical health because

it's all, it's all connected, right? Like, you

didn't start out to have a spiritual awakening.

You started out to make sure that you didn't get

sick and that you didn't, you know, that you

dealt with your cancer.

Well, I started following like, alternative

health communities. And this was like all during

COVID right? Like, and so this is several months

after, like, Covid, I would say the summer right

after Covid. And I was like, oh, cold, plunging.

Oh, that's interesting. Oh, there's these people

that are doing fasting. Okay, that's interesting.

So I came across this like, spiritual community

and they were like, come to this retreat. And I

was like, okay, like, I'll go. And I show up and

they're like, we're going to do a three hour

breath work. Like a holotropic, like, breath

work. And I was like, okay, I don't know what

that is. And sure, like, I've had lots of trauma,

right? I was like, yeah, I'll try it. I'll try

anything. This isn't like popping a pill or

taking a drug. Like, this was like a natural

thing that you could do with your breath. And I

had the most amazing journey. At first you're

like doing it and you're like, I'm this,

nothing's happening. I'm not doing it right. And

then all of a sudden, like, there was this

amazing vis that I had and literally life

changing. Like, I picked up the phone and called

my husband and I was like, okay, like, I got a

very clear vision about what my mission is on

this earth. And like, I need your support. Like,

can we sit down and talk about it? And I remember

flying home, and we sat down, we opened a bottle

of wine, and we had the best conversation, I

would say, like, we've been together 22 years

now, like, of our entire relationship. It was

like, that night, I was like, these are my hopes

and my dreams. These are my goals. Like, this is

the example I want to set for the kids. Like,

this is an example, but I want to set to them,

like, around love and family and community and

all these things. And my husband was like, yes,

like. And he shared his goals and dreams with me,

and it was. It honestly felt like a recommitment,

like, not only to ourselves, but to each other,

because we are so supportive of each other's

journeys. And that's when his journey started,

too. And even though he wasn't going through the

same, like, kind of personal growth and work that

I was working on at that point, like, somehow it

sparked something in him to start down his path

and his journey. And together, like, it just felt

like we were unstoppable.

Oh, that's so beautiful and. And important. Like,

it's. To have a partner who. Who gets it and who

is on the ride with you makes a really big

difference.

Yeah. And I'm like, okay, we're gonna homeschool

the children. He's like, that's really scary, but

okay. He's like, good for him.

I'm going all the way. So how's that going?

So good. So good. And by the way, you question

yourself the whole way. You're like, am I doing

the right things? Like, and as the children get

older and smarter and, you know, I just focus on

knowing that you can learn lots and lots from

reading books and information. But I also love to

couple it with, like, experiential things. Like,

for instance, this weekend was President's Day

weekend, and so we went to New York City to see

the Statue of Liberty and Ellis island, and we

saw the play Hamilton. Right. Like, so it's.

People think, like, homeschooling is like, you're

sitting at a desk working all day long. Well,

yes, that's part of it. You know, everybody needs

to do math and be able to read and write at the

end of the day. But, like, it doesn't have to be

as difficult as you think it is in your head.

Like, it. It's actually pretty simple.

Yes, it's true. I interviewed a woman during

COVID I did a little series when the lockdowns

were happening, and all of a sudden, our kids

were home all day. So I just, like, did Facebook

lives with People who knew how to do that. And I

interviewed this mom who homeschooled. I think

she had like five children. And she was like,

yeah, we, we do school from 9 till 12. And then

they go outside.

Yeah.

Like the older one goes fishing and the younger

ones do this and they, you know, they had a big

property and in a rural situation and it was just

like, yeah. And they're like ahead of all of the

milestones according to the, you know, where

they're supposed to be from the state law of

whatever. And I was like, oh, okay. That's

actually. So I hear what you're saying. Like,

yeah, you just do it. It's not school, but at

home it's a different experience.

Well, and like we take light breaks, right. So we

sit outside for sunrise every single morning, no

matter like what the weather is outside. And we

do our morning prayers together and reread

together like as family. And then we go inside

and we eat and we do a couple things and then we

go for our barefoot walk like around the block.

Then we do a couple, you know, a little bit more

of work and then we go for our three mile family

walk. Like it's, we're so circadian, like aligned

now and we get the flexibility to do that as a

family. And then like gymnastics and sports and

other things that my kids are doing, they're

doing that in the afternoon hours instead of the

night hours. Right. Like, so they're home by 4 or

5. We're having dinner together, we're getting

our blue blockers is on. We're spending that time

together as family before bed. Like, I remember

having them doing activities till like 8 o'clock

at night. We'd all be cranky, exhausted, hungry.

Like it was just, we were all going crazy. And

for what? Like, when you're homeschool, you can

have all the time that you want. You can put

sports activities in the morning. You have so

much flexibility to do what you want to do, to

like align your schedule with like our circadian

rhythm and how we're meant to like ancestrally

live. Right?

Oh, that's so good. Yeah, it's true. The, the

scheduling is, you know, it's crazy. My. Yeah,

I'm on a, A board in this school district and we

meet once a month and I wear my glasses and no

one says anything. My kids are like, oh God. But

yeah, we leave some. Sometimes that meeting goes

till 9pm and I'm leaving and like there's kids

playing basketball and the moms are waiting

outside in the hall and like, they're not done

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30 and.

Oh, my God, what?

But yeah, it's, you know, when you're in school

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30 and then you have. Yeah. The way that

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our culture is set up, it's not. It's not

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optimized. So let's. Okay, so let's circle back

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to that because you. So you found the. The

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circadian biology world, the quantum biology

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world. And it's. You've, like, really integrated

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those principles into your life. So you've just

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told us a little bit about your day. Like, how

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did that start out for you? And how has your

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health been since. Since integrating a circadian

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optimized lifestyle?

I think the biggest change was my emotional

health. And I know that's going to sound weird

because we were just talking about the C word,

cancer. But honestly, like, what I found was the

biggest change was spending more time outside.

Like, so I always tell people, I'm like, what can

you do today outside? What can you do that you've

planned today outside? So whether it's, you know,

like doing a walking meeting with your boss

outside instead of sitting, like, in the office,

taking your coffee break outside. Like, where can

you open a window? Right? Like, I felt this rush

of energy when I started waking up with the sun.

Like, I was one of these people that always used

an alarm clock, was staying up super, super late,

had insomnia. I would always wake up between 2

and 3 in the morning. And all of a sudden we

started watching the sunrise and blocking blue

light at night. And all of a sudden I was like a

different person. It was like, okay, well,

obviously being out in the sunlight makes me feel

good, so I want more of that. Like, right, you

get that dopamine rush and you're like, more of

what feels good. Okay, Being out in the sun feels

good. So all of a sudden, I'm tanning my skin

again, and we're buying a lake house so we could

spend more time outside barefoot, in the woods

and in the water. And I mean, it was this cascade

of, okay, we can build our. We can build our

perfect life. Like, we can literally build a life

around how we want to live. And somehow I think

living in California would have never given us

that freedom. But making that big change, moving

to Nashville, all of a sudden, we're like, oh, we

could do anything. Like, it felt like this

permission to make whatever life decisions we

wanted. Like, I don't know. I know that sounds

kind of weird, huh? It kind of sounds weird.

No, that makes total sense. And I think it's

another really important point to bring up is

that, yeah, we feel like if this is the way

things are, this is the way things have to be.

And it's like whether it's in our, the way our

lives are structured, our businesses are

structured. Yeah. We are the architects. We can

redesign anything at any moment. And if it feels

impossible where we are, like, okay, well maybe,

maybe it's somewhere else, but it's possible.

Like all the things are possible. And I love that

you leaned into that and made it real.

Yeah. And what's funny is. So my husband was very

skeptical. He's like, like skin type one, right.

He's like red beard, very blonde hair, very

white, see through skin. And he was like, how are

we not going to wear sunblock? And I'm like,

we're just going to test this. Like, we're going

to, you know, watch the sunrise. We're gonna go

for our UVA walk every morning. Right. Our body

has all these internal processes. Right. To

protect you from the sun. We're gonna, we're

gonna listen to this information and we're gonna

test it. So I remember it was like 101 degrees.

We were at this water park. It was black asphalt,

it was so hot outside. Our two kids are very,

very fair skinned as well. And he goes, we're not

putting on some block today. And I'm like, like,

nope. I go, but any sign of us, like getting pink

or red? Like, we'll get, you know, we'll take a

little break or whatnot. We spent all day at this

water park, Meredith. We were going to bed that

night. My husband goes, I cannot believe we're

not burnt to the crisp. And I'm like, huh, isn't

that funny? Isn't that funny?

Like that interesting.

And that. Yeah.

Building up your ability to be in the sun over,

over time. Your skin was preconditioned. You knew

how to do sensible sun exposure. And it's like

four super fair skinned people, even a redhead.

Yeah.

Outside all day and it's like, you're fine.

Yeah. It was just, it was this proof of like,

okay, this stuff is not like, woo, woo. This

stuff is real. Like we're testing it on

ourselves. We feel the best we've ever felt.

We're in the greatest shape of our life. Like,

and I feel so fulfilled too. Like emotionally,

spiritually fulfilled of like teaching this

information to other people. There's nothing that

brings me more joy than talking about this and

meeting all the interesting people in our

community. Like you and I were talking about

before. We started this podcast is like, it is

some of the best people in this community. Like,

everyone's so loving and supportive and so

passionate about what they do. It's just the best.

Yeah, it's really, it's really amazing. It's like

when you, you know, because, yeah, I've made some

choices to veer off the, off the main path. And

it's like once you do and you're off, you know,

on your tangent, then you're surrounded by other

people who also made that choice. And so there's

a sense of freedom, I think, amongst people who,

you know, because they're like, yeah, I did the

weird thing, I did the hard thing. And like, here

I am. It's all fine. And yeah, we have like a

bigger purpose guiding us, you know, and we're

all, we're all like on the same page with that.

And so I love. Because so now what's coming to

fruition on your journey with this is an in

person retreat which is coming up June 2025 in

Tennessee. So you and Carrie Bennett have put

this together. Like, tell us about that, how it

came to be, what it's going to be like.

Yeah, so I think after Covid, we were all kind of

craving that human connection. And this QVC was

just such a small community and we had known all

these people and built these friendships and

relationships, but yet never met anybody in

person. And so I was up in the Detroit area

seeing an explant specialist to get my implants

taken out and I was like, carrie, I'm close to

you. I'm going to come by and let's have a

coffee. And her and I got talking. It was so

great because we'd known each other for a couple

years now, and we're like, we've never seen each

other in person. And I go, man, just feels like

we need to put some kind of event together to

have everybody in the same place. And as we all

know, like, we are energetically connected. I'm

like, we. How magical would it be if we all came

together like in person? And that's where this

idea of this in person retreat came to be. And we

spent like a really good six months, like,

looking for the perfect location that was like

circadian friendly and, you know, finally found

this like old reclaimed rock quarry that's on 160

acres right outside of Nashville. So it's like

close to a major airport, but yet just far

enough. It's got this beautiful waterfall and

this huge barn. And we're like, yes, we can get

some of the smartest people, like smartest minds

in this industry together, ask them to talk about

something they've never talked about publicly

before. So this is going to be like a very unique

kind of approach to what people are going to talk

about and get everybody in one room with like,

you know, slide away doors. So the barn is open

to the outside with water running there and we

have some really beautiful, like really quantum

aligned vendors that are coming to kind of

showcase and sell some of their products and

bring different tools that people might not

necessarily get to experience in their day to day

life. And so it's just we've been curating and

working on this for like over a year now just to

make it like super, super special, but very again

like aligned with our principles and like

everything that we stand for.

I love it. I'm so excited for this. I think it's

amazing what you're doing and yeah, there's,

there's nothing like in person connection and you

know, when you're out, when you're involved in

something that's like really, really not

mainstream. The technology is a beautiful thing.

Right. Because we can be connected across all the

geographies and find each other, but at the same

time. Yeah. Then to have to have a real life

opportunity to be in each other's physical

presence is just so profound. So that I think

it's going to be just a gorgeous event. I'm so

thrilled that what you, you and Carrie have, have

put together and I highly encourage everybody to

go. So the, the website is. What's the website? I

will put it in the show notes for sure. And

Carrie and Oksana have very kindly offered a, a

10% discount if for the code QBC. You put that

when you check out. And it is.

I should have put it up. Carrie B. Wellness.com

forward/retreat.

Okay. Oh, so it's, you can just find it through

Carrie's website.

Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. So Caribbean Wellness Forward slash

retreat. Put the, put QVC in. It's at the end of

June 2025 for a couple of days. And yeah, it's

going to be magical and fun and I, I feel like

it'll be one of those things that will just for

everyone who, who's able to attend will like just

be a big battery recharge in, in whatever way you

need.

Um, I was talking to Carrie this morning and she

said that she just had this vision of like we

were at the retreat and there was just smiles

everywhere and the energy was insane. I was like,

yes, like this is gonna Be one of those. Like, it

feels surreal because all of these people, like,

that we've been aligned with, like, you know,

we're. We've kind of. I'm gonna say this for

myself, not other people. Like, I kind of felt

weird, right? Like, I'm the odd man out amongst

all my friends and all these people talking about

the sun and the healing power of the earth and

all these things. And now I'm like, I get to be

in a room full of all these people, like, with

the same mindset, and pick their brains behind

the scenes. Pick their brains of these really,

really smart people with all these interesting

views on the world and our body and how

everything works and coincides together. It's

gonna be amazing.

Yeah, it's gonna be really fun. Tell me some of

the speakers.

So we have Stephen Hussey, Danielle Hamilton, we

have Sarah Pugh, Sarah Kleiner, and I'm sure

there's a lot more information. That's amazing.

Well, they're right there.

Yes, they're on the website.

Yeah, no, just. Just a little. Just a handful.

Sneak peek. Yes. So I. Yeah, I really, really

want to encourage anybody who's listening if you

felt like that little, like, jolt or impulse of,

like, oh, my God, that sounds so fun. Like, do

whatever you need to do to get there, because it

will really be worth it. And these opportunities,

you know, they don't happen all the time. So

putting on a live event is no small. It's no

small thing. It's a really big endeavor. So I

think it's really important that we support them

and show up if. If at all possible, because they

really matter. And it's, I think, important to

the. To the growth of this message, to the growth

of this community and all of it.

Thank you, Meredith. And I guess, like, I just

want to say, like, I think everyone has a. Their

own definition for, like, quantum health, but for

me, like, I really look at it from, like, a

spiritual, emotional, and physical standpoint.

And so the experiences that we've kind of curated

at this retreat are going to touch each of those.

Each of those areas. And so we'll have some great

speakers, and then we'll go outside and maybe do

a breath work. We'll have another speaker. We'll

go outside and jump into an ice bath. We'll have

another speaker, and maybe we'll go do yoga,

Right? There's. There's going to be, like, a

sound bath. Like, there's going to be all these

experiences that are going to kind of help you to

integrate the learnings and the information, and

then also do things together as a group of people

with, like, bonding things. Like, if you've never

done an ice bath, like, this is the best way to

experience it when you have other people around

you, like, cheering you on. The weather's going

to be great. It's going to be hot outside, so

you're going to want to jump in the ice bath.

But, yeah, it's definitely not going to be this,

like, stuffy. You're sitting in a conference room

learning material. Like, it's going to be some

amazing speakers, but it's going to be some

amazing kind of transformative experiences, I'll

say.

As well, fun, fully immersive. Sounds so good.

And. And, yeah, and I think these types of events

and are leading the way into a paradigm where we

stop with all of the compartmentalizing of

physical health versus mental health versus

emotional health versus psychological versus

virtual. It's like, yeah, from a quantum biologic

perspective, it's all the same. It's. It's. You

know, and I hear so many stories of, yeah, like,

something starts, you have a physical symptom

that leads to a spiritual awakening, or you have

a spiritual awakening that leads to a wanting to

take better care of your physical body. You know,

like, it's, you know, so I think this idea of

acne, you know, honoring that with the way that

you've structured the event is, you know, the way

forward, the way of the future. Any other last

thoughts, Oksana?

No. Thank you so much for having me on today. I

really appreciate it.

Well, thank you for sharing your story. It was

truly, truly an honor to go, you know, to hear

you share that journey and to be able to

articulate the different choice points that you

faced and how you navigated them. And I really

love the message that you're leaving with people

of that. Like, we can. We can make our lives

different. You know, we don't. It's possible and

whatever that looks like for each person, but,

you know, you're a living example of that, and

that's really, really powerful. So much gratitude

to you and your lovely husband. Good for him for

getting on the ride.

Thank you. We truly say, like, we truly think

that we are living heaven on earth, and that is

within reach for everybody, so.

Oh, that's beautiful. Thank you for being here,

Oksana.

Thank you.