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Speaker AToday we're looking at issue number 50.
Speaker AIt's called the Art of Questioning Technology from Data to Democracy.
Speaker ASo let's start where he starts, with the Data Fluencies exhibition series.
Speaker BAll right.
Speaker BThis kicked off with rivulets at Boston Cyber Arts.
Speaker BIt sounds like there are more shows planned, too, in Vancouver and Lexington.
Speaker AAnd it features artist researchers like Jesselyn Lai Olsson, Christopher Arum, Caroline Cinders, a few others.
Speaker AThe goal seems to be using art to help people understand data better, Data literacy through artistic practice.
Speaker BAnd Jurgen's take here is that this kind of questioning, this deep look at the data we swim in every day, is really urgent, maybe even overdue.
Speaker AHe likes how art can push us past just surface level acceptance, you know, to ask harder questions.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd he makes this great point that it's not just about like seeing data on a dashboard.
Speaker BWe need to grasp the feeling, the meaning behind it.
Speaker BWhat does it actually represent for people?
Speaker AThat's a really important distinction.
Speaker AIt leads him to ask this question, which kind of stuck with me.
Speaker AWhat's one piece of data you've personally never quite trusted, but you also never really stop to question properly?
Speaker BOoh, that's a good one.
Speaker BMakes you pause and think, definitely.
Speaker AOkay, Moving on.
Speaker AJurgen then turns to the Academy Awards.
Speaker AThere's this news reported in Digital Trends about new rules allowing generative AI in films that are eligible for Oscars.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BThe Academy's official line seems to be that using AI tools doesn't inherently help or harm a film's chances.
Speaker BIt's all about the final product, the film itself.
Speaker ABut Jurgen calls this a potentially slippery idea.
Speaker AAnd you can see why, right?
Speaker AWith AI getting better at scripting, voicing, even creating visuals, where does the human element really sit?
Speaker BExactly.
Speaker BHe points out that the Academy is leaving the judgment of artistic merit up to the voters.
Speaker BBut, you know, that opens the door for personal biases about AI itself to creep into the voting.
Speaker AAnd they say they'll consider the degree to which a human was at the heart of the creative authorship, which sounds.
Speaker BReasonable, but Jurgen follows that up by wondering, you know, when does that degree stop being a feeling, a judgment call, and start becoming like a spreadsheet calculation, a formula?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AHow do you quantify that human heart part?
Speaker AIt's tricky.
Speaker BVery okay, next up, he looked at something a bit different.
Speaker BPasadena's redesigned public art walking tour brochure.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AThis sounds quite neat.
Speaker AIt has eight self guided routes showcasing over 177 public artworks.
Speaker AAnd they're short, like 30 minutes.
Speaker AWalkable or bikable?
Speaker BWhat Jurgen seemed to appreciate here was the focus on the art itself as part of the city experience, not just say, historical markers or old buildings.
Speaker AHe mentions, doesn't he, that he often looks for art in the margins when traveling.
Speaker AAnd he feels this Pasadena approach really acknowledges art's place in everyday life.
Speaker BYeah, it treats it as vital.
Speaker BAnd it made him pose another question.
Speaker BWhy?
Speaker BWhat would it look like if every town treated its public art as seriously as its history?
Speaker BReally wove it into the narrative.
Speaker AHmm, interesting thought.
Speaker AIt could change how we see our own communities.
Speaker BDefinitely.
Speaker BThen he gets into something from NASA.
Speaker BTheir astronomy picture of the day featured an image called Painting with Jupiter.
Speaker AAh, I saw this one.
Speaker AIt was made by a citizen scientist, Rick Lund, using data from the Juno spacecraft's camera, Juno Cam.
Speaker BBut the key thing for Jurgen's commentary was that the raw data was processed using an oil painting software filter.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd that's where Jurgen's question comes in.
Speaker AIs applying a filter really the same as painting?
Speaker BHe draws a line, you know, between what he sees as digital artistry, making deliberate choices about composition, color, texture, that kind of thing, and just applying an automated style filter.
Speaker BOne involves a lot of human decisions, the other less so maybe it's more preset.
Speaker ASo while the idea of like this cosmic paintbrush is appealing, using a software filter feels different to him than creating something from scratch, digitally or otherwise.
Speaker BWhich leads him to ask, is it still art if the artist is mostly the algorithm doing the work?
Speaker AA question that keeps coming up with AI art for sure.
Speaker AOkay, let's shift gears a bit.
Speaker AJurgen also commented on a piece from Salon about theater and democracy.
Speaker BYeah, this one looked back at ancient Athens, where theater was apparently this really important space for public reflection and civic engagement.
Speaker ATragedy taught moral lessons, comedy critiqued politics and public opinion, that sort of thing.
Speaker BAnd Jurgen picks up on this idea from the article that in Athens, going to the theater was almost like a civic duty, not just entertainment.
Speaker AHe contrasts that with voting today.
Speaker AThe article apparently argues that voting by itself isn't the bedrock of democracy.
Speaker AIf it's not done with human, you know, careful thought about the consequences, it can even be anti democratic without that.
Speaker BDeliberation, which is a strong claim.
Speaker BAnd Jurgen then wonders, do we have anything like that Athenian theater today?
Speaker BA shared Space for really grappling with big public issues.
Speaker AHe seems doubtful.
Speaker AHe looks at mainstream media, comment sections, online political campaigns, and questions.
Speaker AIf they really offer that kind of deep reflective space, you know, can TikTok or Instagram Reels really fill that role?
Speaker BIt's hard to see how he quotes the article directly here.
Speaker BVoting is not all by itself foundational to democracy.
Speaker BIndeed, without careful deliberation about the consequences of policies, voting can even be anti democratic.
Speaker BThat really frames his concern.
Speaker AIt does, and its concluding question on this is powerful.
Speaker ACan a play, or perhaps art more broadly, still teach us how to think like citizens, not just spectators?
Speaker BHmm, food for thought.
Speaker BNext, there's commentary on an exhibition covered in Pestop magazine.
Speaker BIt's called Trained Histories, held at the Aurora photo center in Indianapolis, curated by Mary Goodwin.
Speaker AAnd this one features artists like Minotauru, Michael Bobrovsky, Jim Naughton, Philip Toledano.
Speaker AIt sounds like it's exploring AI's intersection with photography and history.
Speaker BYes, specifically how AI can be used to, like, reimagine photographic histories, even creating images of moments that weren't actually recorded.
Speaker AJurgen seemed really interested in the curatorial approach here.
Speaker AHe notes its focus more on the ambiguity and the questions this raises.
Speaker ARather than just showing off the tech spectacle.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BHe highlights the shift it represents from photography primarily being seen as evidence as a record of what was, to photography becoming a tool for exploring what could be or what might have been lost.
Speaker AAnd he pulls a quote from the curatorial text.
Speaker AAI allows for the reconstruction or imaginative creation of moments absent from photographic records, filling gaps left by erasure, exclusion or.
Speaker BLoss, filling gaps even if those gaps are filled with something invented by AI?
Speaker BThat's the crux of it.
Speaker AWhich leads Jurgen to this really potent question.
Speaker AWhat happens when the tool we use to remember history also becomes the thing that invents parts of it?
Speaker BYeah, that's a deep one.
Speaker BIt really challenges our relationship with visual records and memory itself.
Speaker AOkay, one last piece Jurgen commented on.
Speaker AThis one's from Lab Culture about how museums in Europe are using modern technology.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BPlaces like the Louvre, the Rijksmuseum, the British Museum.
Speaker BThey're integrating things like AR VR, interactive displays, mobile apps.
Speaker BThe idea is to improve accessibility and make the experience more immersive.
Speaker BPlus using online collections and social media to reach more people.
Speaker ABut Juge's perspective here is interesting.
Speaker AHe suggests the difference between how European and, say, US museums use tech isn't just about the technology itself.
Speaker BWhat else does he bring in?
Speaker AHe thinks it's also deeply tied to funding levels public versus private and the general sort of cultural support these institutions institutions receive, the underlying value placed on them might differ.
Speaker BAh, I see.
Speaker BHe shares a personal story too, doesn't he, about a museum in Berlin?
Speaker AYeah, he mentioned seeing a digital integration there that was really thoughtful.
Speaker AIt wasn't flashy, but it apparently really enhanced the experience of viewing a very old manuscript without distracting from the actual object.
Speaker BSo technology used subtly in service of the artifact, not just for its own sake.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker AAnd it makes him question whether we sometimes underestimate the cultural value we lose when museums are treated as like budget afterthoughts or aren't given the resources to integrate new approaches thoughtfully.
Speaker BThat's a really important point about how we prioritize cultural institutions.
Speaker AIt is.
Speaker AAnd look, these are just some of the intersections Jurgen explores in his commentary for issue 50.
Speaker AThere's definitely more depth in the full newsletter.
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker BHis thoughts really tie these different articles together and push you to consider the bigger picture of art, technology, and society.
Speaker BWe definitely encourage you to explore explore these topics further.
Speaker AFor sure.
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