Have you ever looked at someone you love, such as your partner or your kids, and suddenly realized you're becoming the one person they tiptoe around?
Speaker AOr felt that split second moment when your chest tightens, your heart starts racing, and you know you're about to snap, but you can't seem to stop it?
Speaker AOr have you ever wondered why?
Speaker AWhat happens when those moments pile up day after day until the person you care about most finally says, I can't keep living like this?
Speaker AFor Paul, that moment wasn't a warning.
Speaker AIt was an ultimatum.
Speaker AHe was juggling a house sale, a house purchase, two teenagers, two step kids, money pressures, and a lifetime of emotional habits he never questioned until suddenly the woman he wanted a future with was scared of him.
Speaker AAnd in that moment, he had to decide whether he was going to lose the relationship he loved or finally take control of the anger that was controlling him.
Speaker AWelcome to episode 60 of the Anger Management Podcast.
Speaker AI'm your host, Alistair Dues, and For the last 30 years, I have helped over 15,000 men and women control their anger, master their emotions, and create calmer, happier, and more respectful relationships.
Speaker AToday, I want to share Paul's story, not because it's dramatic, but because it's real.
Speaker AHis journey shows what can happen when someone finally understands why their anger takes over and learns how to interrupt it before it damages the relationships that matter most.
Speaker AAnd what I love about Paul's progress is it didn't take months.
Speaker AIt didn't require complex therapy.
Speaker AIt started with one simple shift, one tool that helped him slow down, build awareness, and respond differently, even in moments that used to derail him completely.
Speaker AIf you've ever felt stuck in the same patterns Paul describes, or if you've ever promised yourself you'd change and then slipped back days later, or if you're worried your anger might be affecting the people you love, this episode will show you what's possible.
Speaker AWithout any further ado, let's dive into my conversation with Paul.
Speaker BJust tell me a bit about yourself.
Speaker CI'm a single father, but I'm in a serious relationship right now.
Speaker CI have two teenage boys and hopefully soon to be, two teenage stepdaughters.
Speaker CI'm 54 years old.
Speaker CI have one sibling, a brother.
Speaker CAnd, yeah, that's about it, really.
Speaker BPhil.
Speaker BAnd what brought you to the anger course?
Speaker CAn actual awakening from my current girlfriend.
Speaker CMy anger was getting out of hand.
Speaker CThe stress level was through the roof.
Speaker CI was trying to sell a house.
Speaker CI was trying to buy a house.
Speaker CI was trying to keep two houses afloat because I'm actually living with her.
Speaker CAnd yeah, my stress got the better of me and I was constantly snapping, given somewhat of an ultimatum.
Speaker CIt was like she said she didn't know if she could go through with this with me because it was just like walking on eggshells at times.
Speaker BDid you have any idea she felt like that or was that kind of news to you?
Speaker CDid have.
Speaker CWe did have a few arguments over the last six months.
Speaker CAnd I kept on saying to myself, I can't behave this way.
Speaker CI can't behave this way.
Speaker CAnd then three days into it, I would do it again.
Speaker CAnd I knew something was wrong, but it just.
Speaker CIt was like it was contagious.
Speaker BThe anger was contagious?
Speaker CI believe so.
Speaker CThe anger was contagious.
Speaker CLike, it just.
Speaker CIt drove me to go there.
Speaker CThere was always a justification.
Speaker BAnd what were those justifications?
Speaker BWhat were you thinking?
Speaker CBeing disrespected, not being heard, being misunderstood, being taken advantage of.
Speaker CThis is what was going on in my head.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo like you said, always just justifying how you responded.
Speaker CYes.
Speaker BWhat effect do you think the anger was having on your girlfriend or your children or her children?
Speaker CNot good at all.
Speaker CNot good at all.
Speaker CThey didn't know if I was going to stop at any given time.
Speaker CThey started to become scared of me.
Speaker CI didn't like when I heard that, it made me feel bad.
Speaker BOkay, so your girlfriend gave you this ultimatum.
Speaker BWhat was it like looking for an anger management course?
Speaker CI had taken one before.
Speaker CShe's not aware of that.
Speaker CIt was in a group session and it really didn't do anything for me.
Speaker CAnd I started to go online and I was going to go see a therapist and.
Speaker CAnd I actually decided to go on podcasts and I saw yours pop up and I'm like, okay, let's try this.
Speaker CAnd I started to hear you have these little 5 minute to sometimes 8 minute little blurps, and it hit home.
Speaker CA lot of this stuff made sense and I was like, you know what?
Speaker CThis, this actually might be for me?
Speaker CThis actually might work because I wanted it.
Speaker CI didn't want to lose this woman.
Speaker CAnd I just didn't want to continue to be the way I was being.
Speaker ADo you know what made an impact.
Speaker BFrom the podcast episodes?
Speaker BWhat kind of hit you the most?
Speaker CRelating.
Speaker CRelating to people.
Speaker CUnderstanding these other people that were being interviewed.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CAnd just things that you would say.
Speaker CAnd I was like, oh, my God.
Speaker CYeah, I get it, I get it.
Speaker CI could relate.
Speaker CIt wasn't like going to a therapist and hearing them say something and going, what?
Speaker CI don't understand that.
Speaker CLike, I could totally relate to everything.
Speaker CAnd I didn't compare because some of the podcasts where there was physical abuse, and I never once said, if I get that bad, I just.
Speaker CI could relate.
Speaker CI could understand, even though I've never hit anybody out of anger.
Speaker BBut you could relate to how they were responding?
Speaker CYes, I could relate totally.
Speaker CI could understand where they were coming from.
Speaker CI could understand what you were trying to tell them.
Speaker CSo I'm like, okay, what have I got to lose?
Speaker BAnd how has starting this course been for you?
Speaker CIt was easy.
Speaker CThey're small modules.
Speaker CI can go back to them anytime I want.
Speaker CI've made notes myself lately.
Speaker CThere's constantly something going on in my head about something that I've heard or read or written down myself, Right?
Speaker CAnd the biggest thing for me is awareness.
Speaker BSo I say some bit more about the awareness, like, how has that impacted you?
Speaker CSo I become aware when I feel something going on inside my body.
Speaker CMy heart starts to pound.
Speaker CThere's a bit of a palpitation.
Speaker CI'm like, okay, here we go.
Speaker COkay.
Speaker CThere's no reason to get this way.
Speaker CI call it talking myself off the ledge.
Speaker CAnd I remind myself that, you know what?
Speaker CIt's easier just to calm down.
Speaker CThink about this for a second, because if you lose your mind right now, you are going to have to do damage control for possibly days over something that might take 15 seconds to say.
Speaker CSo I'm still trying to pick and choose my words wisely.
Speaker CAnd I have a tendency, the way I was brought up, where you just blurted out what came out of your mouth.
Speaker CSo I'm trying to reprogram myself.
Speaker BSo there's some cycles of abuse or violence you're trying to change.
Speaker CI believe I was brought up in a very angry household.
Speaker CI do truly believe that.
Speaker CAnd that was the norm.
Speaker CThere was no physical abuse, but there was mental abuse with some of the words and phrases that were said.
Speaker CAnd I just don't think my parents knew any better because that's the way they were brought up.
Speaker CAnd I remember an individual that I was very close with, I haven't seen in a very long time.
Speaker CWe spoke about my parents and my upbringing.
Speaker CAnd he said, your parents did the best they could do with the tools that were laid in front of them.
Speaker CSo now I think to myself, I need more tools.
Speaker CI just don't need the tools that my parents have given me, because some of the tools that they have given me have been great, but I need other tools.
Speaker CAnd that's where this program comes in.
Speaker BIt makes a lot of sense.
Speaker BAnd how do you think the change process is going for you so far?
Speaker CIt's gradual.
Speaker CI'm going to take the odd step back.
Speaker CI don't want to be the type of person to say everything's lollipops and rainbows, but it is gradual.
Speaker CAnd that's the best way for it to happen, actually.
Speaker BAnd why is that?
Speaker CWhy is gradual the best way?
Speaker CBecause that's the normal way, if that makes sense.
Speaker CBecause I've always been about wanting instant gratification, and I realize I'm now at 54, that the world does not work that way.
Speaker CAny progress is going to be gradual.
Speaker AYeah, I like it.
Speaker BAnd you sent me an email just after starting the course about the impact on others of your anger.
Speaker BDo you remember that?
Speaker COh, I remember that.
Speaker CI remember that because.
Speaker CAnd the reason that started to hit home is, again, these podcasts and hearing these men and women go on and how it affected their significant others, siblings, family, and I was like, wow, I didn't realize the mental abuse that much.
Speaker CI knew it was abusive, but I didn't realize how abusive it was.
Speaker CAnd that kind of makes me realize that, yeah, this has got to change.
Speaker BAnd have people noticed a change in you so far?
Speaker CMy girlfriend has.
Speaker CShe says she's happy that her best friend is back.
Speaker CSome people at work have.
Speaker BWhat do you think your girlfriend's noticed?
Speaker CCalmer, pausing before I open my mouth, telling her constructively when I am angry or that something has upset me.
Speaker CI know a couple weeks back, she said something about money or something, and I went.
Speaker CI waited a bit and I said, that kind of hurt.
Speaker CWhereas before I would have just snapped.
Speaker CAll I said was that what you said made me sad.
Speaker CAnd she apologized.
Speaker BSo the effect of saying something like that hurt was much better than losing my mind.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CAnd saying, how dare you say something like that to me?
Speaker CAll I said was, you know that comment that you said that that kind of hurt.
Speaker AWow.
Speaker BAnd was it easy or hard for you to say that it was easy?
Speaker CThat's topsy turvy.
Speaker CI think I'm basically just a little.
Speaker CI'm a marshmallow.
Speaker CBecause a lot of times when I used to get angry, a lot of it was because I was sad or hurt.
Speaker BDo you feel you're getting better at expressing those feelings now?
Speaker CSomewhat, yes.
Speaker CI have my stumblings.
Speaker CIt's not going to happen overnight.
Speaker CIt's a gradual process.
Speaker BIf someone was listening to this episode and relating to some of the things you're saying and also Thinking of maybe doing my course.
Speaker BWhat would you say to that person?
Speaker CI'd say, give it a chance.
Speaker CGive it a chance.
Speaker CBecause it's made me understand quite a bit more about me.
Speaker CYou've been very helpful.
Speaker CThe modules are small.
Speaker CI can go through them a bunch of times if I want.
Speaker CIt's not like you're being bombarded with the stuff like other people have said.
Speaker CIt's at my own pace.
Speaker CAnd it's understandable.
Speaker CIt's very understandable.
Speaker CThe tools are there, and if I have to go back and read something that I wrote or go back and do the modules again, your program works.
Speaker CSo I would highly recommend it.
Speaker CThe simplicity of the program has made me aware more.
Speaker CThere's no words in the literature that I have to go grab a dictionary.
Speaker CIt's simple, which is good because I think a lot of people, including me, if I see something that I don't understand when I'm reading it, I'm out of here.
Speaker CI'm not dealing with this.
Speaker CRealizing that there's quite a few people in this world that suffer from the same thing, or maybe suffering isn't the proper terminology, but there's a lot of people out there with anger issues makes me feel that I'm not alienated.
Speaker CI'm actually normal.
Speaker CI'm just happy that there is a program because I'm looking on the Internet, okay, what am I gonna do here?
Speaker CAnd then I see you, and I go to this anger sequence, and I'm like, okay, this is making sense.
Speaker CThis is making sense.
Speaker CAnd just the aspect of you actually interviewing me in the beginning, before I even signed up, I'm like, who is this guy who takes the time to actually speak to somebody like that says a lot about you, that you want to help people.
Speaker CSo I'm like, if there's an individual out there like that, then.
Speaker CThen let.
Speaker CLet me try this.
Speaker CWhat have I got to lose?
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AThanks so much for tuning in to today's episode of the anger management podcast.
Speaker AI hope you found Paul's story both helpful and thought provoking.
Speaker AFor me, Paul's story is a powerful reminder that change is possible for anyone willing to take the first step.
Speaker ABefore we wrap up, let's take a moment to quickly go over some of the most important ideas Paul shared today.
Speaker AFirstly, anger doesn't just happen.
Speaker APaul talked about that moment when his heart pounded, his chest tightened, and he could feel himself getting swept away.
Speaker AThat's a pattern many people know well.
Speaker AWhat matters is recognizing that physical shift as an early warning sign when you can notice those signals early.
Speaker AYou give yourself time to pause, breathe, and interrupt the cycle before the damage is done.
Speaker ASecondly, awareness is the foundation of every change you'll ever make.
Speaker AFor Paul, the biggest breakthrough wasn't a technique.
Speaker AIt was finally understanding what was happening inside him and why.
Speaker AOnce he could see it clearly, everything else became easier.
Speaker AAwareness is the difference between being controlled by anger and being in control of yourself.
Speaker AThirdly, the way you express your feelings matters more than the feeling itself.
Speaker APaul realised that a lot of his anger was really sadness or hurt underneath.
Speaker AAnd when he learned to say something simple like that comment hurt instead of exploding, the whole dynamic changed.
Speaker AHis partner could hear him, she could respond, and communication became safe again.
Speaker AThis is something every listener can start practicing, naming the feeling instead of reacting to it.
Speaker AAnd finally, change is gradual.
Speaker AAnd that's a good thing.
Speaker APaul didn't wake up one morning calm and centered.
Speaker AHe made small shifts, one at a time.
Speaker AHe stepped back, reflected, and kept choosing the kind of man he wanted to be.
Speaker ANow remember, real change doesn't happen by just listening.
Speaker AIt happens when you start practicing even one or two of these ideas in your everyday life.
Speaker ASo if something today stood out to you, take it, run with it, See what shifts.
Speaker AAnd if you'd like help putting any of these ideas into practice, just Visit my website, angasecrets.com on this site you can access my free training Breaking the Anger Cycle or book a free 30 minute anger assessment call to talk personally with me about your situation.
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Speaker AOkay, that's it for today's episode.
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Speaker AIt helps others discover these tools and start their own anger management journey.
Speaker AAnd remember, you can't control or what others say or do, but you can always control what you say and do.
Speaker AAnd that's where your real power lies.
Speaker AI'll see you in the next episode.
Speaker ATake care.
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