Welcome to
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User Friendly 2.0 with host Bill Sikkens,
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technology architect.
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And this is User Friendly
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2.0 I am your host Bill Sikkens
and joining me Bill and Gretchen.
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And how are you doing this week dude.
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All right
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okay.
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Glad to hear it. Glad to hear it.
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I want to ask you that again, Gretchen.
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Hopefully it'll go well,
but we are going to be interviewing you
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a little later in this segment on Cyber
Hawk, which is now out.
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So, hopefully you're ready for that.
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So we'll see how that goes.
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Coming right up your second half,
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we're going to be talking
about some creepy stuff
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about all the things
that might be watching you.
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So it's going to be worth
listening to that too.
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But before we dive into any of these
signs, let's go ahead and jump into
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this week's news.
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All right, all seasons of
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canceled NBC reboot to stream on Netflix.
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Yeah, so this is referring to Night Court
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going to be streaming on
Netflix beginning next month.
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And honestly,
I don't know why NBC canceled it.
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I like the original version of Night
Court, and this one seemed pretty cool.
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What little I've seen of it.
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So yeah, yeah, this is one of the nice
things about having streaming services
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like this is because a lot of things
that wouldn't get out there
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that are decent, but for whatever reason,
usually behind the scenes get canceled
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or changed or whatever you can still get
to, which is kind of cool.
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Something about new media that I like.
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So yeah, it's going to be coming up here
on February 3rd is when it starts.
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I don't know if it's all going to drop
or if it's going
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to drop a little bit at a time, but we
will find out and let you know when we do.
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Quantum entanglement speed is measured
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for the first time,
and it's too fast to comprehend.
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So this is an interesting topic.
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And Gretchen,
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when you do the research,
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sometimes I think you're coming up
with things to try to see if
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if you can explain them,
if we can't, you know,
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so, all right, so
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quantum mechanics and all the stuff
that gets goes along with this,
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you know, stuff being a scientific term,
I think for some of these science,
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it's interesting to see because,
quantum physics, like in Star Trek
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The Next Generation, they talked about it.
It was sci fi.
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It was a theory at the time.
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And now we're able to prove things.
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So to talk about this
a little bit in the time I have,
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we need to talk about
a very small segment of time
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that is very,
very difficult to understand,
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which is one billionth of one billionth
of a second or a nanosecond.
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And what this is talking about is a mode
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where a substance,
there's different words for this,
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but just for a brief explanation,
the substance is in a certain state,
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but the state is duplicated
in two different physical locations.
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So when you change it in one place,
it changes it in the other.
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And it doesn't matter how far apart
physically these things are.
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I can think of the top of my head
and some interesting technologies
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that you can create or something
like that.
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Now, being able to measure this,
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especially in this kind of a time frame,
is something a little bit subjective.
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And one of the other things is, quantum
physicists have still not been able
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to figure out the origin point
of these two different things.
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So, again,
quantum entanglement, it's a phenomenon.
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It's something that's actually starting
to be provable now.
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I think the best way to sum
this up would be to think about
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if you had two coins and you flip one,
and the other one always does
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the exact same thing,
even if it's a distance away.
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So kind of a, you know,
10,000ft view way to look at this.
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I'm just kind of curious to see,
what, what you are going
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to how you're going to explain that.
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VR gaming system
with all mobility debuts.
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I thought this was really kind of. Yeah.
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And this is something straight
out of Ready Player One.
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Anybody that hasn't seen that movie,
it's worth the watch.
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You're on a platform
that spins and turns for your VR headset,
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and, it has some safety features
so that you don't fall
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off the platform,
which is probably a very good idea.
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All I can say to
this is I want one like now.
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Yeah. You did. It
looked cool. I'll put it.
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You know,
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it's modern technology
and I'll put it in between my Pac-Man
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and my Wizard of War arcade cabinet
to have a little bit of diversity.
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NASA launches
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research program
for students to explore big ideas.
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Yeah,
so NASA does these different programs,
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and it's a challenge for students
to get some prize funding for things.
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But also have a chance to be able
to interact with NASA, people from there,
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sometimes even facilities
and that different type of things.
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And what this is talking about here
is, a research program
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that has two different directions,
and it's called orbit
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Opportunities and Research business
innovation and technology.
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I would not want to have to be
the person that makes up these acronyms
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and then have to figure out something
that actually means them.
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As you can
tell, that's happening sometimes. Anyway.
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So this is something where basically
what they're challenging university
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college students to do
is develop next generation solutions
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that would benefit life on Earth
and in deep space exploration.
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It has a prize of up to $380,000
in total funding.
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Now, one person
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is not going to get divided into teams,
and there's a whole program for that.
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There's two tracks that go along with
this one called the Earth Track,
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which requires a team
to select a NASA owned patent and develop
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commercial or nonprofit applications
addressing real world problems from that.
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So this could be a lot of different
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from natural disasters to health care
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which is the space track, is one
where you get to look at concepts.
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You want to look at concepts
that are aligned with NASA's current
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and future missions.
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So going back to the moon,
Artemis would be a program
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that's an example of this.
Eventually Mars and so on.
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Either direction
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to be able to participate in.
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And we will have the link on our website
and our social media
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go dot nasa.gov and you can go there
and just search for the orbit program.
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And we'll have the direct
link out there for you.
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Lucasfilm reverses course,
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suspends future manned oversight plans.
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Tell us about the right women.
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First,
I want to say because this question comes
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in, I still don't have enough data
on Kathleen Kennedy.
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We will give you that when we do.
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We haven't been able to here
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has been somewhat tight
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You know, again, if when you hear it's
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So we'll see what happens here.
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But anyway, what they're talking about
here is the Amanda verse was something
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that was kind of a focus and has been
for Star Wars The Mandalorian.
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Of course, there's a movie coming out.
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There's a number of spin offs
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that kind of go along with this
that are in the same season.
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Now, Gretchen,
you would be more able to speak to that.
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It's episode six and seven.
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I think that this mainly is between
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What they're trying to wedge it
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into a certain timeframe
within the Star Wars universe.
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And I think that's
where they ended up going.
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You know, again,
I am not the expert on that.
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But anyway, what they're talking about now
is that they are shelving
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that idea, or at least
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Mandalorian and Grogu
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are still being talked about, the movies
coming up, and I think there's another,
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season of Ahsoka
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It hasn't come out okay.
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That's that's this year, I think.
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Anyway, outside of that,
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they're kind of pausing things
and looking at some other stuff.
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There's a new Star Wars movie.
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I mean, later this year, you know,
and then another 1 in 2027.
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So maybe they're focusing
a little bit more on that now,
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but it'll be interesting
to see where this all goes.
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And if there's changes in management,
this could also affect this directly.
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You know, as far as,
as far as all that's concerned.
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Well, we've got something
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that's sort of different
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and that is that
we're going to be talking to an author.
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That's the part that's not different.
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We have had a lot of wonderful authors
on the show over the years,
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and it's amazing
to check out their experiences.
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But today we're going to be flipping
the script here a little bit,
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and we're going to be talking to Gretchen.
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So Gretchen, you normally are our co-host
and still are, but,
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today we're going to be flipping this
around a little bit
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and asking you
some questions on your book.
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How does that feel? Ooh, okay.
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Woo hoo!
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I guess that's a good enough answer.
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I already promised you
I wouldn't be Korben Dallas.
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And,
that's a character from The Fifth Element.
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No, I know,
but but not everybody does, so.
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Yeah, that'll be great.
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That means that we'll probably be able
to actually fit this interview
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in the time slot for the show, which is,
which is, you know, a positive thing. So.
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All right, well, let's go ahead and start
kind of at the beginning of this.
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For listeners who may not know it yet,
how would you describe yourself
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as an author and what kinds of stories
are you drawn to telling?
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Well, let's see,
I like stories where the reader
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is taken on a journey by the characters
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so that you
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think you're reading along and,
and the characters take you
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on some kind of, journey,
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whether it's science fiction, fantasy,
or maybe even a mild mystery.
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I'm not a mystery writer, but sometimes
I'll put surprises in my stories.
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And,
I want you to go along with the character
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and just, you know, experience
what they're going through.
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You know, it's interesting
you say that we're going to dive into this
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a little bit more here in just a second,
but I know some of the reviews
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we're already seeing
is that your stories have depth
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as a comment that, is being made a lot.
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And I think that's a positive thing.
Obviously.
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So we'll we'll circle back to that here
in a little bit.
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But let's go ahead and talk about this.
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Now, we've talked about cyber hockey
before obviously on the show here
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and kind of discuss the process of
getting to this point as you were writing.
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But let's go ahead and talk about
the cyber hockey universe.
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So I don't think
we've ever actually focused on this.
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What kind of a world is that
and what are the readers stepping into?
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Okay, Cyber Hawk,
I would say it's contemporary,
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but it's, it's a positive contemporary
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where it's science fiction and,
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you know how Star Trek had a positive
bent to it with the tech?
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That's where.
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Original Star Trek. Okay. Next.
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And so okay, so,
that was that positive idea
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of how technology can be beneficial.
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But there are undertones in my stories
that, make it
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perhaps science fiction,
a little bit of fantasy.
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There are some scary moments.
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So it's kind of hard for me to decide
where does it really fit in?
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It doesn't seem to fit in one one box,
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which actually
probably makes it more interesting.
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Now, you released a year ago,
a little over a year ago, a novel letter,
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which was basically a little tiny
short book that was just establishing
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some of the characters and there was a lot
more interest than we expected into it.
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But your first book
that you've actually put out,
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this full length is a book
called The Night School Journal.
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And this is something that,
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I know from my own standpoint,
you've been writing for a long time.
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It feels personal
and intimate when you read it.
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So I'm going to ask you two questions.
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What inspired you to tell this story,
and did it always fit in the cyber hack?
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Okay, I'll answer the easy one first.
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It was not originally meant
to be part of cyber Huck.
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Okay, let's see.
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Why did I write it?
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Well,
I belong to an organization of knights,
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and there's not a whole lot
for us to do here in the United States.
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And one of the goals
that you and my husband
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had always thought
that education was super important.
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And I wanted to describe my ideal school
or knights.
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And I thought, it's going to be boring
if I just write up
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like a business type thing.
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Nobody's going to read that.
They're not going to remember that.
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And everybody knows about Hogwarts
from the Harry Potter universe.
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So it's like people talk about it,
they remember it.
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So why don't I tell the story,
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about a school for knights?
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And,
the reason why it feels very personal
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and intimate is because what I did
is I took,
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the experiences that I observed
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from my husband's life as a child of,
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divorced parents who did not divorce
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friendly, they hated each other.
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So I took my experience
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and observations from what he went through
and put it into the story
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so that there was something interesting
going on while
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I'm describing the school,
and it just kind of went from there.
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Okay.
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Now, when
we started, you were talking about picking
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with your characters,
taking, readers on a journey.
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What emotional journey?
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What journey in general
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do you hope the readers go on
when they read the Night School Journal?
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That let's say that
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not everything is as it seems.
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Be open to learning, be open to change.
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And that maybe as you investigate
the world around you,
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you might discover
that there is something more going on
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in your life, or maybe in the lives
of the people around you.
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It's a growth story.
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And so what are you writing now?
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First of all, I'm gonna ask you,
how long were you working on that?
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Because I know this one
went a little longer than most.
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And was there a moment
while you were working on it
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that you kind of realized,
hey, this is working?
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Let's see.
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Alright.
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It started like many years ago.
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I think it was about 2012.
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And I warned people in the book,
that it's set in a time,
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technology has changed greatly
since when I wrote that story originally,
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and it was just something off the cuff,
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and I hadn't really planned it.
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And,
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wow, now I just forgot
where my train of thought was.
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Remind me, what were you wanting to know?
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Or basically at what point,
you know, during this process.
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And I already knew
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you had started a number of years ago,
which is why I ask a question that way.
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But during that time, was there a point
where you were, you know, said, hey,
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this is actually going to work out
as a book or, you know,
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I think we're going in the right
direction.
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I oh, I really didn't know.
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And I did something that I never do.
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It was, a seat of the pants type book.
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I just started writing, and I,
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we defined that it's
somebody who doesn't plan.
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They just sit down and start writing stuff
and no outline.
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No. Okay. And that's not me.
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I at least I was smart enough
to write down
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the descriptions of the characters
I always keep, like,
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a spreadsheet
or a notebook with the characters
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and,
descriptions of them, personal attributes,
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relationships,
so that I can refer back to them.
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So this I,
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I just kept enjoying the story,
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but then I wrote myself into a corner and,
I couldn't go any further.
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So that was the reason
why it took like ten years to finish.
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So, yeah, the name of the book
is The Night School Journal.
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Is it actually written as a journal? Now?
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Yeah, yeah.
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You know,
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because that's a definitely a question
that you would look at at the title.
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It does create a, strong connection
to the character, a character sorts.
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And that type of a thing
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that this change the way
you approach the character development.
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Now, I know
you said you wrote it off the cuff,
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but you've written other things,
so how would it compare?
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Well, this one's told from mostly.
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I wanted to give it
from a child's perspective.
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You know, he's Kyle, is he?
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He's not a little kid,
and he's not yet a teenager.
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He's in that in-between stage where,
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you know, he'll see a pretty girl
and think, oh, she's really pretty.
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Why am I thinking about her?
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Let me go get my comic books.
You know, he's right.
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So I try to describe the world
from the way
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he would see things, his parents actions.
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He hated being waiting for
to hear from the school.
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And it drove him crazy.
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And it made him bored,
and he was restless.
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And I wanted you to experience
that boredom
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and restlessness it while he was waiting.
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So hopefully,
hopefully I was successful in that.
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I have to see what the
what the thought is.
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The book is available now.
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It's just been published.
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As we said
earlier, Syracuse.com is the website.
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You can also find it at Amazon
or at user dot show in our shop.
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So that's book number one.
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Let's move on
and talk about book number two,
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which is actually the first one
in the Cyber Hawk series, if you will,
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from my understanding,
called Rise of Heroes.
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And it's a different feel.
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Very different feel when you read the two,
do you see
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a compliment in the Night School Journal
within the same universe?
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And let's talk
just a little bit about that.
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I don't know.
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I just felt like they were both,
like, set in the real world
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where I do with quotes around there,
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because there is science fiction
and fantasy elements in it.
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And, they just it just seemed
why not bring these characters in?
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I had originally hoped to do,
the Night School Journal is a trilogy,
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and I lost the ability to do it,
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and I liked some of the characters
that I had started to develop.
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So I thought, why not?
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Why not bring it into the cyber
hawk universe?
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Okay.
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I mean, that sounds,
you know, amazing to me.
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And it does work, by the way,
a spoiler alert
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on that for anybody that when you read it,
you'll figure that out.
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Let's do a little bit behind the scenes.
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What does your writing process
actually look like?
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Are you a planner?
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I know you said you
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didn't do that for Night School Journal,
but for the others you do.
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Do you plan on
do you discover the story as you go?
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Some combination? How do you work that?
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Let's see,
I would have to say I'm a planner,
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but I plan loosely with basic concepts
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and if I have something that goes off
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or off of the main story or off of it,
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I will like, evaluate it thinking, okay,
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is this going to add to the story
or is it going to take away from it?
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So if I feel like it's going to build
and give more depth to the story,
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I will keep with that, you know, side
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side story or side development.
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So I'm basically a planner, though.
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Okay,
I'm going to work something out at YouTube
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before we kind of move ahead here.
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Rise's heroes,
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without giving too much away, can
you give us just a synopsis of the book?
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It's an introduction to a group of heroes
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that would be a very, very.
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And there's cool technology
that's introduced.
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Yeah. Okay.
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All right,
well, we'll leave it at that and move on.
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So you have another one
you're working on right now.
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Oh, Cyber Hawk unveiled villains
will be the second one in the series.
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Can you tell us a little bit about that?
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I know you're still in the process
of creating it.
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Yeah, but,
how does that work in everything?
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Well, you gotta you gotta know who
the bad guys are in the story.
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Agree?
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If you don't know who
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they are, you're going to have a problem
and it's going to be boring.
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So unveiled villains, obviously,
by the title, I'm unveiling the villains
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so that the reader can know who are
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the cyber hawks going to be engaging with.
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And that's what
that's that's the goal of this one.
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The first book is heroes first.
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Second book is villains.
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So tell us which one was more challenging
the heroes or the villains?
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And,
what was a fun component or something
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that you think of
when you think of putting this together?
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Okay.
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One of the challenges
of developing villains
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is that
you have to think about their motivations.
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I'm not a super villain.
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I don't walk around doing
mean things to people.
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So I had to really think about
what is their motivation.
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You have some classic bad guys
from Star Wars.
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You have Darth Vader, fallen hero
who hates himself,
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and you have, Count Dooku,
another fallen hero
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who feels like he's been betrayed.
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So he's always trying to convince others
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that he went off on the dark path
for a good reason.
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And then you have, Emperor Palpatine,
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you know, Darth Plagueis,
I mean, Darth Sidious.
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And that guy is just plain evil.
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But they all have different perspectives.
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They all have different motives of
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what happened to them, why it happened.
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And so when I do The Unveiled Villains,
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I've had to really think about
what are these guys motives?
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You know, what's making them tick?
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Why do they do the things they do?
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So that's
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it's been fun, but it's it
it's, it's a challenge.
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Like we said earlier, Cyber Hawk
heroes.com is the website,
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for the series.
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And everything about it
also offers a place for you to sign up
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and get information on what's new,
kind of ahead of the game and all of that.
436
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So that's where you can find Cyber Hawk.
437
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Where would you recommend a reader start?
Should they start with the first book?
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Do they start with my school journal?
439
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Should they start with a novel letter?
What?
440
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Just tell us a little bit about that.
441
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You can read the Night School Journal
just by itself.
442
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You know, I would suggest
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getting the novella, the origin story.
444
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It's kind of nice because it gives a nice
preface for, Rise of Heroes.
445
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But you could read Rise of Heroes
by itself as well.
446
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So, no,
447
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I don't really think you have to read them
in any specific order.
448
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What do you think?
449
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Well, I think that
450
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I would assume Rise of Heroes before
unveiled villains when it's out.
451
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I mean, yeah, progression. Right.
452
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You know, I agree with you.
453
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I think that
I think that you can read this either way.
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They do complement each other,
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but it isn't like you have to read one
before the other in order
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for the other one to make sense,
which is sometimes the case with books
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that are in a series.
And this isn't like that.
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So I would say with me,
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I'd pick up the one, you know, that
I just kind of sung out to me the best.
460
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And having read both of them,
that would be both.
461
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Yeah.
462
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You know, not that I have an unbiased
review here or something, but it's mean.
463
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She's my friend.
464
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I got to be nice to her, you know?
465
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You know,
466
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but I look at it more from a standpoint
that, you know,
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large companies are helping market
and that kind of a thing
468
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and are looking at
this is something that actually
469
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is something that they like
and they think is going to be good.
470
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So more than, you know, my opinion on it,
whatever that may or may not be worth,
471
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it does seem like the general reception
so far has been very positive.
472
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And,
you know, getting out there and jumping in
473
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and I think this is going to be something
great I'm looking for.
474
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I haven't read Unveiled Villains yet.
475
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I'm looking forward to seeing that
when the time comes.
476
00:23:39,151 --> 00:23:42,988
I think of that in any way or like
the rest of them have, it's going to be
477
00:23:43,021 --> 00:23:44,156
it's going to be really good.
478
00:23:44,156 --> 00:23:46,258
Is there anything else
you want to tell us?
479
00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:47,025
Nope.
480
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:49,294
All righty.
481
00:23:49,294 --> 00:23:50,829
Well, send your questions
and your comments.
482
00:23:50,829 --> 00:23:52,898
User friendly dot show is the place to go.
483
00:23:52,898 --> 00:23:56,701
We are going to be back after the break
talking about some creepy stuff.
484
00:23:57,803 --> 00:23:58,637
We'll be right back.
485
00:23:58,637 --> 00:24:03,909
I always feel like I'm in the Twilight
Zone and I always feel some,
486
00:24:03,975 --> 00:24:07,946
but it's fun to be and I love new props.
487
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,083
Oh, I always feel so bad.
488
00:24:12,083 --> 00:24:14,753
Is what you mean to me.
489
00:24:14,753 --> 00:24:17,022
Is it just.
490
00:24:17,022 --> 00:24:18,590
We're not cool.
491
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:19,024
Welcome back.
492
00:24:19,024 --> 00:24:20,725
This is user friendly 2.0.
493
00:24:20,725 --> 00:24:24,362
Check out our website user friendly
dot show for everything user friendly.
494
00:24:24,362 --> 00:24:27,332
Let's see how many times I can say
user friendly and under a minute.
495
00:24:28,033 --> 00:24:29,568
Best place to go though?
496
00:24:29,568 --> 00:24:31,069
How about user friendly 2.0 bill.
497
00:24:31,069 --> 00:24:32,904
Gretchen, is that good enough?
498
00:24:32,904 --> 00:24:37,008
I don't know, user friendly 2.0 user
friendly, user friendly, user friendly.
499
00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:40,045
Anyways, let's move on from that.
500
00:24:40,045 --> 00:24:43,081
But user friendly natural boy
a user friendly dot show is the website
501
00:24:43,081 --> 00:24:46,184
to go finish your questions,
your comments, your ideas.
502
00:24:46,184 --> 00:24:48,019
We love to hear from you.
503
00:24:48,019 --> 00:24:51,256
And if you don't know the name of our show
at this point, well, that's on you.
504
00:24:51,823 --> 00:24:52,457
All right.
505
00:24:52,457 --> 00:24:55,660
So we're actually hitting a topic here
today
506
00:24:55,660 --> 00:24:59,297
that has been a lot of questions
that have come in during 2025.
507
00:24:59,297 --> 00:25:01,066
We touched upon this in some of our Q&A,
508
00:25:01,066 --> 00:25:04,069
but I wanted to do a little bit
more of a deep dive.
509
00:25:04,269 --> 00:25:07,339
And that is how everything is tracking us.
510
00:25:08,073 --> 00:25:11,009
And where I really started getting into
this was two things.
511
00:25:11,009 --> 00:25:15,480
I am do some expert witness stuff
and was working on something with that,
512
00:25:16,147 --> 00:25:18,750
dealing with how phones crack
and that kind of a thing,
513
00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:20,452
which was somewhat eye opening.
514
00:25:20,452 --> 00:25:23,321
And one of the other things, Gretchen,
I know you and I are both considering
515
00:25:23,321 --> 00:25:26,391
new cars, and I haven't been able
to find one that doesn't track you.
516
00:25:26,925 --> 00:25:30,395
So from that standpoint,
we started digging into things
517
00:25:30,395 --> 00:25:33,398
a little bit, and I just wanted to see
where this is really going
518
00:25:33,999 --> 00:25:37,168
because a lot of the questions
that were coming in, if they're, you know,
519
00:25:37,168 --> 00:25:40,372
valid in the information
that our listeners have is accurate,
520
00:25:40,372 --> 00:25:43,375
which seems to be in
a lot of cases, is kind of scary.
521
00:25:44,075 --> 00:25:47,512
So I thought we can dive
into some of the direct examples
522
00:25:48,213 --> 00:25:51,283
of surveillance
and some of the things that are coming up.
523
00:25:52,017 --> 00:25:55,420
And the first one I'm going to talk about
is something Ford's doing,
524
00:25:56,154 --> 00:25:57,489
and they filed a patent for this.
525
00:25:57,489 --> 00:25:59,724
Now, keep in mind,
filing a patent doesn't necessarily mean
526
00:25:59,724 --> 00:26:03,461
you're going to see the technology in your
neck or truck, but you certainly could.
527
00:26:03,461 --> 00:26:06,731
And the idea of what this does
kind of illustrate some of these things
528
00:26:06,731 --> 00:26:12,370
where anybody wants to look it
up, it's us 20240289844A1.
529
00:26:12,704 --> 00:26:13,405
We get outside.
530
00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:16,675
That is patent number
that actually takes care of this.
531
00:26:16,675 --> 00:26:20,912
And what this has to do is it works
with your car's infotainment system.
532
00:26:21,646 --> 00:26:24,316
So what the pen talks about is the ability
533
00:26:24,316 --> 00:26:27,419
for them to have a technology
that is you're driving down the street,
534
00:26:28,153 --> 00:26:31,156
let's say your stereo and your car is off,
you're describing,
535
00:26:31,389 --> 00:26:35,994
and you drive past somewhere where
the company has a agreement with Ford.
536
00:26:35,994 --> 00:26:38,763
It can turn on your stereo system
and play an advertisement.
537
00:26:39,864 --> 00:26:41,232
So that
538
00:26:41,232 --> 00:26:44,235
already is something that personally,
I would not like.
539
00:26:44,603 --> 00:26:46,037
Oh, I don't like that.
540
00:26:46,037 --> 00:26:47,772
That one bit.
541
00:26:47,772 --> 00:26:48,006
Yeah.
542
00:26:48,006 --> 00:26:52,711
You know, it just it's it's one of
those things, but it gets even creepier
543
00:26:53,478 --> 00:26:58,183
because another part of this patent talks
about a thing that if you are having
544
00:26:58,183 --> 00:27:01,519
is that you have a passenger in the car,
you know, more than one, and you're
545
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,089
talking about a given subject like, oh,
you know what?
546
00:27:04,089 --> 00:27:05,323
I feel like sushi tonight.
547
00:27:05,323 --> 00:27:08,093
The system is listening to you
monitoring what you're saying.
548
00:27:08,093 --> 00:27:10,895
And we'll play a commercial
for a sushi place nearby, an offer
549
00:27:10,895 --> 00:27:13,898
to put it on the map.
550
00:27:14,199 --> 00:27:17,836
Yeah, I started to notice that going on.
551
00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:20,472
Just in the house.
552
00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:22,374
Yeah, yeah.
553
00:27:22,374 --> 00:27:24,776
You know, but in the house,
you can turn off your marks.
554
00:27:24,776 --> 00:27:26,511
Yeah, I can talk today.
555
00:27:26,511 --> 00:27:28,213
Really? You're smart speaker.
556
00:27:28,213 --> 00:27:29,881
That wasn't too difficult.
557
00:27:29,881 --> 00:27:31,750
You know, and different things like that.
558
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:34,285
But when it's integrated
into your vehicle,
559
00:27:34,285 --> 00:27:37,288
this is something that has changed
in recent years
560
00:27:37,288 --> 00:27:39,290
because it used to be if you didn't
561
00:27:39,290 --> 00:27:42,360
like your stereo, wanted to upgrade,
you would put in a new stereo
562
00:27:42,761 --> 00:27:43,561
all these things are
563
00:27:43,561 --> 00:27:46,564
now built into the system,
so there's no way to really turn it off.
564
00:27:47,432 --> 00:27:50,902
And you can't take the technology out.
565
00:27:51,903 --> 00:27:52,370
So if
566
00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:55,373
something like this is in there,
or if it's not in there,
567
00:27:55,373 --> 00:27:58,977
but the car receives over the year updates
so they can add it at a later time,
568
00:27:59,577 --> 00:28:02,180
you don't have direct control over that.
569
00:28:02,180 --> 00:28:05,183
And most modern vehicles in fact,
570
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:07,852
or any of the research I've done,
I think I'm
571
00:28:07,852 --> 00:28:09,387
sure there may be one out there
that doesn't,
572
00:28:09,387 --> 00:28:14,292
but pretty much all modern vehicles
sold in the United States have telematics.
573
00:28:14,659 --> 00:28:17,729
And built into that is,
if you put a map in the navigation
574
00:28:17,729 --> 00:28:20,732
system, keep track of that
to keep track of where you go.
575
00:28:21,066 --> 00:28:24,703
And this type of thing
creates some real privacy concerns.
576
00:28:25,203 --> 00:28:29,040
Let's say you're going to visit a relative
in the hospital, and they want to keep
577
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,575
their medical condition quiet.
578
00:28:30,575 --> 00:28:34,879
Well, information from your car is sent
back to the manufacturer will tell you,
579
00:28:34,879 --> 00:28:37,982
oh, you've gone to this hospital
this many times at this time, you know,
580
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:41,152
during the week
and on and on and on, stuff like that.
581
00:28:41,653 --> 00:28:44,622
And then that information that's compiled
582
00:28:44,622 --> 00:28:47,492
is being sold to data brokers.
583
00:28:47,492 --> 00:28:50,562
So what ends up
happening is in a lot of cases,
584
00:28:50,562 --> 00:28:52,230
the data is worth more than the vehicle.
585
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:55,734
And some manufacturers are even saying,
yeah, that's, you know, a big reason.
586
00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:57,469
Part of what we're doing out here.
587
00:28:57,469 --> 00:28:59,871
So what is happening with
some of these things
588
00:28:59,871 --> 00:29:02,874
is your vehicle will track how you drive.
589
00:29:02,907 --> 00:29:04,109
You might is an example.
590
00:29:04,109 --> 00:29:06,611
You might have a perfect driving record,
591
00:29:06,611 --> 00:29:08,246
and all of a sudden
you get a letter from your insurance
592
00:29:08,246 --> 00:29:10,014
company, you're raising your rates well,
593
00:29:10,014 --> 00:29:11,816
and you get in an accident
or get any tickets.
594
00:29:11,816 --> 00:29:13,651
No, but the information
your car sent back to us
595
00:29:13,651 --> 00:29:17,322
said you'd stop heart or you were driving
at times that we considered
596
00:29:17,388 --> 00:29:19,057
dangerous,
like in the middle of the night.
597
00:29:19,057 --> 00:29:21,392
Those kind of things. And
598
00:29:22,427 --> 00:29:25,430
I don't think I like that, you know.
599
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:28,800
And that also makes me wonder,
are they focusing
600
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,036
now on this data
collecting instead of engineering?
601
00:29:32,036 --> 00:29:33,605
A terrific vehicle?
602
00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:36,608
Well, you know, it comes down to money.
603
00:29:36,741 --> 00:29:39,344
And if there's no money
or even an equal amount of money
604
00:29:39,344 --> 00:29:42,347
to be made off of selling the data,
605
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,683
that's certainly becomes an issue.
606
00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:46,084
You know,
607
00:29:46,084 --> 00:29:47,886
are they going to manufacture
the car properly
608
00:29:47,886 --> 00:29:49,888
or are you going to develop the equipment
to do this monitoring?
609
00:29:49,888 --> 00:29:53,158
And, you know, with modern cars,
I mean, you have cameras everywhere.
610
00:29:53,158 --> 00:29:54,192
You have what?
611
00:29:54,192 --> 00:29:55,960
We were just talking about
the audio pick up
612
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,696
and the voice recognition
and these type of things.
613
00:29:58,696 --> 00:30:00,965
And it's very easy to do this.
614
00:30:00,965 --> 00:30:02,700
And, you know,
one of the things that was said,
615
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:05,670
and I get back and probably
get some quotes and say, oh, you know,
616
00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:09,274
just don't accept the agreements
when you buy your car
617
00:30:09,407 --> 00:30:12,410
because you have to accept the terms
and agreements for all of this.
618
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:13,611
Okay.
619
00:30:13,611 --> 00:30:16,614
I wonder how much of your car
would function if you
620
00:30:17,015 --> 00:30:19,284
didn't accept any of the agreements?
621
00:30:19,284 --> 00:30:22,053
Yeah,
I imagine you could start it. Maybe.
622
00:30:22,053 --> 00:30:24,889
But I get on with the radio, even work.
623
00:30:24,889 --> 00:30:26,524
I mean, I know it's.
624
00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:31,162
And this type of thing
625
00:30:31,162 --> 00:30:34,732
is something
that is really building itself out.
626
00:30:35,266 --> 00:30:38,102
And we're starting
to see different things now.
627
00:30:38,102 --> 00:30:42,140
Another topic that kind of goes along with
this is something
628
00:30:42,140 --> 00:30:45,510
that we're seeing called automated
or automated license plate readers.
629
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:47,345
We're seeing this
in a lot of different towns.
630
00:30:47,345 --> 00:30:51,015
So this technology has existed.
631
00:30:51,015 --> 00:30:54,686
It's not new in the sense
of an automatic license plate reader.
632
00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:59,023
So if you are in an area that has photo
radar or, you know, red light cameras,
633
00:30:59,023 --> 00:31:02,260
or I'm sure police cars have the ability
to do this manner on their work,
634
00:31:02,594 --> 00:31:08,066
you drive through and it read your license
plate and, would send you the ticket.
635
00:31:08,066 --> 00:31:09,567
You know, that kind of a thing.
636
00:31:09,567 --> 00:31:12,237
That part of it is irritating,
637
00:31:12,237 --> 00:31:15,807
but it doesn't have the privacy concerns
that we're seeing in other things.
638
00:31:15,807 --> 00:31:19,677
Now, we've talked about lock cameras
in the news recently, which are these
639
00:31:19,677 --> 00:31:22,580
massive surveillance camera networks
that are in a lot of different cities.
640
00:31:23,581 --> 00:31:23,915
One of the
641
00:31:23,915 --> 00:31:26,918
other things going along with
this is there's private companies
642
00:31:26,985 --> 00:31:30,555
mounting this technology, like a license
plate reader and just driving around,
643
00:31:31,122 --> 00:31:34,893
picking up everybody's license plate, and
that information is being sent somewhere.
644
00:31:35,493 --> 00:31:38,763
So now what happens
is, is between that and the flock cameras
645
00:31:38,763 --> 00:31:40,732
and some of the other things
that are out there,
646
00:31:40,732 --> 00:31:43,701
they can get a map of where you're going,
where you've been,
647
00:31:43,701 --> 00:31:47,372
how long you've been in a place,
you know, all that kind of information
648
00:31:47,705 --> 00:31:50,708
without
you even knowing that it's happening.
649
00:31:50,775 --> 00:31:54,078
And from that kind of a standpoint,
650
00:31:54,512 --> 00:31:58,616
it I again, I can see where
this really creates a privacy concern.
651
00:31:59,450 --> 00:32:02,820
So you have some
you know, and it's not even the police
652
00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:03,922
necessarily that were doing it.
653
00:32:03,922 --> 00:32:04,756
You have a private company
654
00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:06,591
driving around a parking lot,
just getting everybody's
655
00:32:06,591 --> 00:32:09,127
license plate numbers
and storing them and selling them.
656
00:32:10,161 --> 00:32:13,097
I mean,
you know, that kind of a thing to me is,
657
00:32:13,097 --> 00:32:16,234
not something
that I would consider a good thing.
658
00:32:17,035 --> 00:32:18,136
Yeah. It's not appropriate.
659
00:32:18,136 --> 00:32:21,139
Oh, you know, now
660
00:32:21,239 --> 00:32:24,742
police departments and other companies
that are in favor of this kind of stuff
661
00:32:24,742 --> 00:32:27,745
and are trying to promote are saying,
hey, you know, for crimes committed,
662
00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:29,914
we can trace the car
that committed that crime
663
00:32:29,914 --> 00:32:31,049
and we can watch and go
664
00:32:31,049 --> 00:32:34,052
through the intersections and probably,
you know, catch the criminal.
665
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:35,186
Better.
666
00:32:35,186 --> 00:32:37,588
And there are a few stories out,
there are probably more
667
00:32:37,588 --> 00:32:39,958
than a few of where
this is actually happened.
668
00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:42,994
But is the trade off of everything
about your life
669
00:32:43,261 --> 00:32:45,496
being monitored and recorded
and sold somewhere?
670
00:32:45,496 --> 00:32:47,498
You don't have control over where
that somewhere is?
671
00:32:47,498 --> 00:32:50,168
I mean, I think it would be
even a little less of an issue
672
00:32:50,168 --> 00:32:52,670
if it was going to law enforcement
and they were keeping it,
673
00:32:52,670 --> 00:32:54,639
you know, in some secure database
or something.
674
00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:56,140
There's problems with that.
675
00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:57,375
But a private company having it
676
00:32:57,375 --> 00:33:01,112
that has no real restriction
on what they can do with this information,
677
00:33:01,713 --> 00:33:04,415
and they're able to,
you know, track all this stuff
678
00:33:04,415 --> 00:33:07,485
and do all of these different
no expectations of ethics.
679
00:33:07,485 --> 00:33:08,619
Yeah. That's what you're saying.
680
00:33:08,619 --> 00:33:10,922
What about things like a stalker?
681
00:33:10,922 --> 00:33:13,358
Yeah. You know, stalk somebody.
682
00:33:13,358 --> 00:33:13,992
I'm going to go on.
683
00:33:13,992 --> 00:33:16,594
And now I can,
you know, the license plate number,
684
00:33:16,594 --> 00:33:19,030
and I can buy this information
and know where that individual is.
685
00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:21,332
I mean, that's downright
scary when you think about it.
686
00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:26,371
So this kind of thing
687
00:33:26,371 --> 00:33:30,541
is creating some regulatory concerns.
688
00:33:30,541 --> 00:33:33,978
But the law tends to be far behind
technology in a lot of different cases.
689
00:33:34,412 --> 00:33:37,448
The next one on
this list is one where this has really
690
00:33:38,182 --> 00:33:41,052
kind of push this ahead
a little bit too through.
691
00:33:41,052 --> 00:33:43,087
And it's something you may have heard of
in the news.
692
00:33:43,087 --> 00:33:45,890
It's a company called Clearview AI.
693
00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:49,560
Now for anybody that's not familiar
with it, a 10,000ft view definition
694
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,897
of this is, Clearview
AI is a company that has built
695
00:33:52,897 --> 00:33:55,900
one of the largest
facial recognition systems in the world
696
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:59,737
by automatically collecting or scraping
is the technical term for that.
697
00:34:00,171 --> 00:34:03,975
Billions of publicly available photos
from the internet, social media, public
698
00:34:03,975 --> 00:34:08,046
websites, image databases and so on
to create a massive database of biometric
699
00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:11,549
face images that can be searched
to identify people using a photo.
700
00:34:13,117 --> 00:34:15,653
Okay, so
701
00:34:15,653 --> 00:34:18,656
what you have is a situation here
where again, you have a private company
702
00:34:18,990 --> 00:34:21,025
and you know their arguments
well for getting pictures.
703
00:34:21,025 --> 00:34:23,461
They're on the internet, you know,
they're already out there.
704
00:34:23,461 --> 00:34:25,430
It's it's not private.
705
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:27,932
And now you take that and combine it
with some of the other things
706
00:34:27,932 --> 00:34:29,967
that we just talked about.
707
00:34:29,967 --> 00:34:32,303
With facial recognition,
you can track somebody's
708
00:34:32,303 --> 00:34:35,940
movement pretty much everywhere
because you take this to the next step.
709
00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:41,712
Most houses have surveillance cameras now,
and most of these networks are open.
710
00:34:41,712 --> 00:34:42,914
They're sharing agreements.
711
00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:45,183
I know with ring
you can opt in and opt out of it.
712
00:34:45,183 --> 00:34:49,120
Although there's been some question on
about how effective opting out of that
713
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,457
actually would be, and I'm picking on
that, that one company, they all seem
714
00:34:52,457 --> 00:34:56,761
to have these same type of things where
if the information stored are offsite,
715
00:34:57,562 --> 00:35:01,365
then you do lose to some
extent control of that data.
716
00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:05,036
And you take this to another level.
717
00:35:05,036 --> 00:35:08,639
And this is where I really don't,
you know, have a problem or I really do
718
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:10,241
have a problem with this
and don't like it.
719
00:35:10,241 --> 00:35:12,977
It's what I'm trying to say
is, what about minor children?
720
00:35:12,977 --> 00:35:14,879
Their images are on the internet.
721
00:35:14,879 --> 00:35:18,749
You have a stalker
or somebody that wants to do harm.
722
00:35:19,317 --> 00:35:22,320
Well, they can take a system like this,
get a photo from somewhere off
723
00:35:22,420 --> 00:35:25,723
a Facebook page or whatever,
punch it into the system.
724
00:35:26,491 --> 00:35:29,760
And now with that
and some other very basic
725
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,397
information,
be able to look into your location.
726
00:35:33,731 --> 00:35:35,900
There was a thing
that we did a few years ago,
727
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:37,668
and that was before
a lot of this information.
728
00:35:37,668 --> 00:35:41,506
It developed where they were doing this
with a phone and just testing it out.
729
00:35:41,672 --> 00:35:44,675
And with about three days
worth of information,
730
00:35:44,876 --> 00:35:47,912
outsiders were able to figure out where
the child's bedroom was in the house,
731
00:35:48,212 --> 00:35:50,748
where their desk was in the school.
You know, that kind of a thing.
732
00:35:50,748 --> 00:35:51,115
Yeah.
733
00:35:51,115 --> 00:35:56,053
And again, technology is agnostic,
but it's what you do with it
734
00:35:56,754 --> 00:35:59,757
that becomes extremely scary.
735
00:36:00,124 --> 00:36:03,060
And I look at these type of things
and it's
736
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:06,364
you know, you're trying to think,
well yeah, there's
737
00:36:06,564 --> 00:36:09,534
positive sides to all of this
where you can catch the criminals.
738
00:36:09,534 --> 00:36:11,068
And you can certainly argue
739
00:36:11,068 --> 00:36:13,271
if you had a lost child,
maybe you could find them easier.
740
00:36:13,271 --> 00:36:15,373
And probably that's true.
741
00:36:15,373 --> 00:36:18,376
But again,
it comes down to without regulation
742
00:36:18,676 --> 00:36:21,746
and the fact
that it's not just police departments
743
00:36:21,746 --> 00:36:24,749
and stuff that are using this,
but private companies that don't have
744
00:36:25,082 --> 00:36:28,419
restrictions necessarily
on what they can do with the information.
745
00:36:29,220 --> 00:36:31,088
It becomes scary.
746
00:36:31,088 --> 00:36:34,358
Now, like I said earlier,
they are starting to have some regulatory
747
00:36:34,358 --> 00:36:39,430
pushback, and places
like the European Union in the UK
748
00:36:39,931 --> 00:36:42,900
have very strong privacy rules.
749
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:44,435
In fact,
they've concluded that Clearview is
750
00:36:44,435 --> 00:36:49,006
biometric database, violated EU
privacy rules because it, process
751
00:36:49,006 --> 00:36:53,578
sensitive biometric data without consent
or transparency or consent.
752
00:36:53,578 --> 00:36:55,179
You're not giving consent
753
00:36:55,179 --> 00:36:58,182
because you don't know
that happening necessarily, you know.
754
00:36:58,182 --> 00:37:03,020
And Dutch regulators fined the company
more than €30 million for collecting
755
00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:06,891
images without consent and ordered
at least eight of all Dutch residents.
756
00:37:06,891 --> 00:37:08,459
So there is starting
to be some restriction.
757
00:37:08,459 --> 00:37:12,930
And on the UK there's some things
like that coming up, Australia and so on.
758
00:37:13,431 --> 00:37:16,601
In the United States
there have been lawsuits
759
00:37:17,602 --> 00:37:19,503
stating that this violates
760
00:37:19,503 --> 00:37:23,874
state privacy laws like Illinois
Biometric Information Privacy Act.
761
00:37:23,908 --> 00:37:26,911
There's similar things
California, New York and other places.
762
00:37:27,311 --> 00:37:30,314
And this went to a class action settlement
763
00:37:30,381 --> 00:37:34,285
where they agreed to provide equity stakes
plaintiffs instead of cash payouts.
764
00:37:35,286 --> 00:37:38,289
So now they haven't been stopped
from doing this.
765
00:37:38,422 --> 00:37:39,724
They've been hit in the wallet,
766
00:37:39,724 --> 00:37:42,960
but they're almost certainly making
more money than whatever the fine is in.
767
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:43,694
In this case.
768
00:37:43,694 --> 00:37:47,031
Yeah, we're going to give an ownership
interest of our company to the plaintiffs.
769
00:37:47,999 --> 00:37:52,270
Well, that doesn't solve
anything other than making the players.
770
00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:53,738
Oh, I'm going to get money for it now.
771
00:37:53,738 --> 00:37:56,440
So, you know, I'm
not I'm not gonna fight it anymore. Yeah.
772
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,443
At least that's how I would get
kind of understand that, you know,
773
00:37:59,443 --> 00:38:03,314
that makes it sound like they're trying
to make the plaintiffs now hope a war.
774
00:38:03,848 --> 00:38:05,149
Yeah, yeah.
775
00:38:05,149 --> 00:38:07,084
Part of the act.
776
00:38:07,084 --> 00:38:10,988
So you know, they know about the look
at these different things and
777
00:38:12,156 --> 00:38:13,824
it's just a situation where I
778
00:38:13,824 --> 00:38:17,995
think that this is going to get worse,
probably blow up at some point.
779
00:38:18,162 --> 00:38:19,997
You know, figuratively hopefully.
780
00:38:19,997 --> 00:38:22,900
And then, you know,
there'll be enough pushback to actually
781
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:26,170
get some kind of an outcry on this.
782
00:38:26,904 --> 00:38:29,273
And, you know, from my own standpoint,
we don't,
783
00:38:29,273 --> 00:38:30,875
you know, present
any legal information stuff,
784
00:38:30,875 --> 00:38:33,477
but there is certainly
a legal component of this.
785
00:38:33,477 --> 00:38:36,947
And since laws vary from state to state,
and you know, getting some expertise in on
786
00:38:36,947 --> 00:38:40,851
that would be beneficial in seeing
what direction this type of thing,
787
00:38:41,285 --> 00:38:44,855
you know, it's actually going to go
or actually is going to head.
788
00:38:44,855 --> 00:38:46,190
So I don't know.
789
00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:49,727
So now we're looking at
our cars are cracking us,
790
00:38:49,727 --> 00:38:53,698
our phones are tracking us,
which we kind of already know that.
791
00:38:53,698 --> 00:38:57,702
Although the one thing I do have to say
is in especially Apple
792
00:38:58,102 --> 00:38:59,970
on their phones,
they do lock this stuff up
793
00:38:59,970 --> 00:39:01,472
and they do give you the ability
to opt out.
794
00:39:01,472 --> 00:39:03,040
So does Google.
795
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,111
But what's happening is
the law enforcement is subpoenaing
796
00:39:07,845 --> 00:39:10,548
these companies to get information.
797
00:39:10,548 --> 00:39:14,852
So one example of that I can now talk
about is a situation where there was
798
00:39:14,852 --> 00:39:17,855
a crime committed at a post office
or federal property, right.
799
00:39:18,422 --> 00:39:22,560
And the person that committed
the crime was seen talking on his phone.
800
00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:27,531
So the government subpoenaed from Google
all of the records of everybody
801
00:39:27,531 --> 00:39:30,101
that was in about a one mile radius,
because that's about as small
802
00:39:30,101 --> 00:39:33,504
as you can get out of this post office
at that time within a certain, you know,
803
00:39:33,804 --> 00:39:37,441
from this to this
and to see exactly where they were.
804
00:39:37,441 --> 00:39:40,611
So they got a list,
you know, and doing a dragnet of innocent
805
00:39:40,611 --> 00:39:44,148
people like that is not something
that is normally allowed.
806
00:39:44,615 --> 00:39:46,717
And I can't speak to
whether that's legal or illegal.
807
00:39:46,717 --> 00:39:49,820
But I certainly, in my layman's opinion,
would think that it
808
00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:53,157
probably is, and it'd be interesting
to see where that went.
809
00:39:53,157 --> 00:39:55,726
I believe that one's in court right now,
810
00:39:55,726 --> 00:39:58,028
but you're looking at this type
of a thing.
811
00:39:58,028 --> 00:39:59,497
Well, what about other things?
812
00:39:59,497 --> 00:40:01,399
You know, it's getting your house.
813
00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:04,201
There's lawsuit
going on in Texas right now about this
814
00:40:04,201 --> 00:40:09,206
type of thing about televisions,
smart TVs, tracking what you're doing.
815
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:10,274
Yeah.
816
00:40:10,274 --> 00:40:14,612
So do they have a camera that's facing you
while you're watching the television?
817
00:40:14,612 --> 00:40:16,981
No, at least I don't think so.
818
00:40:16,981 --> 00:40:18,716
Although I think I might go
take my television apart
819
00:40:18,716 --> 00:40:21,786
after recording this today
and find out for sure, but,
820
00:40:22,286 --> 00:40:24,188
but what they are doing with the smart
televisions
821
00:40:24,188 --> 00:40:26,557
is they're monitoring
what you're watching.
822
00:40:26,557 --> 00:40:29,760
So part of the equipment that's in the TV
823
00:40:30,227 --> 00:40:33,197
is able to analyze
and know what is on the screen.
824
00:40:33,197 --> 00:40:34,665
So whether that's something
you're watching
825
00:40:34,665 --> 00:40:37,168
through a streaming service
like Netflix or something
826
00:40:37,168 --> 00:40:40,237
or smart apps in the television,
or even if you plug in a VCR
827
00:40:40,237 --> 00:40:43,507
and watch a videotape of your,
you know, wedding from 40 years
828
00:40:43,507 --> 00:40:46,610
ago, it's able to understand
and figure out what all this stuff is.
829
00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:48,279
And then that's sent back
830
00:40:48,279 --> 00:40:50,915
to the various companies
and used to sell advertising
831
00:40:50,915 --> 00:40:53,117
or sold to data brokers or whatever.
832
00:40:53,117 --> 00:40:55,719
Again,
there's not a lot of control over that.
833
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,924
And again, opting out of it,
I have an LG television.
834
00:40:59,924 --> 00:41:02,860
It's a little bit older one now,
but it is a smart TV.
835
00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:06,063
And after reading about this initially,
I did go down to see what
836
00:41:06,297 --> 00:41:07,765
would be involved in turning this off.
837
00:41:07,765 --> 00:41:10,534
Now in that particular one on that,
an easy way to do
838
00:41:10,534 --> 00:41:13,671
it was unplug it from the internet
and take it off the Wi-Fi.
839
00:41:14,238 --> 00:41:16,941
And there's also a way to get in there
and switch it off,
840
00:41:16,941 --> 00:41:19,977
not accept the ingredient, agreements
and that type of thing to do it.
841
00:41:19,977 --> 00:41:24,482
Now, of course, in doing that, your smart
TV will no longer function as a smart TV.
842
00:41:25,249 --> 00:41:27,818
Now, I'm not that worried about that
because the input I use
843
00:41:27,818 --> 00:41:30,821
comes from other places,
so I wasn't really using that anyway.
844
00:41:30,888 --> 00:41:33,390
You know, a fire TV.
I'm sure that's a lot safer.
845
00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:35,459
You know, sarcasm sign.
846
00:41:35,459 --> 00:41:38,462
I have a funny feeling
that we were again to that,
847
00:41:38,462 --> 00:41:42,099
and I think I might see what information
is actually being sent out there,
848
00:41:42,366 --> 00:41:45,369
but as soon as I did
that, it wouldn't update software anymore.
849
00:41:45,603 --> 00:41:48,339
Obviously,
all of the smart features weren't working.
850
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:50,407
I was still able to input.
851
00:41:50,407 --> 00:41:51,842
One of the things
that really bugged me about
852
00:41:51,842 --> 00:41:54,512
is it also disabled my remote
screen sharing.
853
00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:57,481
So a lot of times I'll use my tablet
and if I'm watching something,
854
00:41:57,481 --> 00:42:00,751
send it to the screen over,
you know, a remote thing
855
00:42:00,751 --> 00:42:02,720
that they have set up a smart you,
an Android.
856
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:06,857
There's an equivalent in Apple
and that was disabled for some reason,
857
00:42:07,591 --> 00:42:11,862
even though that's not an online thing
as far as the television is concerned.
858
00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:15,799
And even saying, well, you know,
the tablets online, well, not necessarily.
859
00:42:15,799 --> 00:42:19,103
I could be watching a video
that's on the tablets, internal memory,
860
00:42:19,103 --> 00:42:20,170
and nothing's on the internet.
861
00:42:20,170 --> 00:42:22,806
That still won't work
because it's been disabled,
862
00:42:23,941 --> 00:42:24,241
you know.
863
00:42:24,241 --> 00:42:25,776
So again, I ask the
864
00:42:25,776 --> 00:42:28,779
question, like we did with the cars,
I want to buy a new television.
865
00:42:28,779 --> 00:42:30,447
I'm going to need to pretty soon.
866
00:42:30,447 --> 00:42:32,750
I'd like a 4k, OLED.
867
00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:34,685
That's not a smart TV.
868
00:42:34,685 --> 00:42:37,655
Well, you can guess what
the response to that was.
869
00:42:37,655 --> 00:42:39,323
If I can find one.
870
00:42:39,323 --> 00:42:42,293
I don't think they exist, you know?
871
00:42:42,626 --> 00:42:45,663
In fact, the only way that I was able
to figure out to do that,
872
00:42:45,663 --> 00:42:48,799
which would cost a lot of money,
is to buy something like a 4K.
873
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:54,004
Sign panel, you know, like something
you'd see in a store or something of that.
874
00:42:54,004 --> 00:42:56,473
You can see the tuner in it,
875
00:42:56,473 --> 00:42:58,909
and you could do it that way, of course,
something like that.
876
00:42:58,909 --> 00:43:02,713
So in the thousands of dollars
where the televisions 2 or 300.
877
00:43:03,380 --> 00:43:06,250
But then ask yourself,
why is there a price difference?
878
00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:09,153
Because when you buy the television,
that's the token thing.
879
00:43:09,153 --> 00:43:10,421
They're selling your information.
880
00:43:10,421 --> 00:43:12,656
That's how in a lot of cases,
they're really making their money.
881
00:43:13,891 --> 00:43:15,893
So I don't know,
882
00:43:15,893 --> 00:43:18,896
what are your guys's thoughts on all this?
883
00:43:19,997 --> 00:43:21,765
I really don't like it.
884
00:43:21,765 --> 00:43:24,401
I mean, it's just
885
00:43:24,401 --> 00:43:27,404
as we said, it's invasive.
886
00:43:27,771 --> 00:43:30,808
I agree, you know,
I don't know if you take this further.
887
00:43:30,808 --> 00:43:34,311
It's it's just something that's
going to get worse and it's reined in.
888
00:43:34,345 --> 00:43:35,679
I think.
889
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:39,750
And again, you know, the argument of, yes,
890
00:43:40,050 --> 00:43:42,853
we can solve crimes and yes,
there are some benefits to that
891
00:43:42,853 --> 00:43:46,123
and that type of a thing
for certain pieces of this technology,
892
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:49,426
again, versus being under surveillance
893
00:43:49,426 --> 00:43:52,429
and tracked all the time, you know.
894
00:43:52,563 --> 00:43:54,665
So where do you draw the line with that?
895
00:43:54,665 --> 00:43:58,202
I certainly don't see any credible reason
896
00:43:59,203 --> 00:44:02,206
to save anybody that your television
should be tracking what you're watching.
897
00:44:03,007 --> 00:44:05,542
I mean, the only potential benefit
I can see from
898
00:44:05,542 --> 00:44:09,913
that is making money
by gathering the data.
899
00:44:10,147 --> 00:44:12,016
Otherwise, why would it matter?
900
00:44:12,016 --> 00:44:12,683
You know.
901
00:44:12,683 --> 00:44:12,883
Yeah.
902
00:44:12,883 --> 00:44:17,254
The only the only reason
why I could see anything doing any, stuff
903
00:44:17,254 --> 00:44:20,257
like that would be the actual streaming
service going,
904
00:44:20,557 --> 00:44:24,962
oh, this person like science fiction
or this person likes documentaries
905
00:44:25,229 --> 00:44:28,766
and then push, you know, offer
those shows to them.
906
00:44:28,766 --> 00:44:33,303
But, but that's the streaming service,
not the television.
907
00:44:33,303 --> 00:44:35,139
And see,
there's still a huge difference between
908
00:44:35,139 --> 00:44:38,609
that to the streaming service that you go
on, you know, Netflix or Amazon
909
00:44:38,609 --> 00:44:42,379
Prime or something and watch a video
and it goes, oh, you like this topic?
910
00:44:42,379 --> 00:44:44,448
We're going to think other things
like that topic.
911
00:44:44,448 --> 00:44:46,550
Okay. That's one thing.
912
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:49,319
But like you say,
that's coming from the streaming service
913
00:44:49,319 --> 00:44:51,255
and that's something that's a logic thing.
914
00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:53,991
We've talked about cookies
915
00:44:53,991 --> 00:44:57,695
and websites following what you do to give
advertising that falls more on that.
916
00:44:57,695 --> 00:45:00,698
And it's not something that's like either,
but it's a little bit different
917
00:45:00,931 --> 00:45:04,134
than the television actually being able
to have the logic to figure out what it is
918
00:45:04,134 --> 00:45:07,137
that's on the screen
and send it somewhere,
919
00:45:08,839 --> 00:45:11,842
you know, those
those are two different things.
920
00:45:12,176 --> 00:45:14,845
And the other thing of videos
is on most streaming services,
921
00:45:14,845 --> 00:45:18,115
you actually can turn off the predictive
things like that.
922
00:45:18,549 --> 00:45:21,518
So it doesn't save an ad token,
and then you still get advertising.
923
00:45:21,518 --> 00:45:24,588
It's not the advertising,
but it is more generic.
924
00:45:25,189 --> 00:45:28,192
If you turn off your third party cookies
and your web browser,
925
00:45:28,592 --> 00:45:29,960
you'll find that you don't,
926
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,196
you know, have it where it's following you
and that type of thing.
927
00:45:32,196 --> 00:45:33,363
You still have some control.
928
00:45:33,363 --> 00:45:36,567
Now they in some ways make it
very difficult to find the settings.
929
00:45:37,367 --> 00:45:40,604
Or for a normal person,
that's not some kind of an engineer
930
00:45:40,604 --> 00:45:44,041
to even know what to do or how to do it,
or what they're looking for
931
00:45:45,042 --> 00:45:46,677
that's done on purpose.
932
00:45:46,677 --> 00:45:48,946
If they really wanted to make it simple,
it could simply say,
933
00:45:48,946 --> 00:45:51,148
do you want your website visits tracked?
934
00:45:51,148 --> 00:45:51,749
Yes or no?
935
00:45:51,749 --> 00:45:54,284
You know, and then you would opt out?
936
00:45:54,284 --> 00:45:57,287
I have yet to see that. But yeah.
937
00:45:57,387 --> 00:45:57,721
And now.
938
00:45:57,721 --> 00:46:03,460
So it is a situation where
I think this is going to continue growing.
939
00:46:03,460 --> 00:46:04,862
We're seeing it on video games.
940
00:46:04,862 --> 00:46:06,630
That's another big one
941
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:10,067
that the television tracks, what game
you're playing and how you're doing it,
942
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:10,868
all that kind of stuff.
943
00:46:10,868 --> 00:46:14,371
The game software, because most consoles
are online now, are constantly
944
00:46:14,371 --> 00:46:18,675
sending information back to, you know,
Microsoft or Sony or Nintendo or whatever.
945
00:46:19,276 --> 00:46:22,713
And all of these things
end up in a situation where, again,
946
00:46:22,713 --> 00:46:25,015
they're compiling massive databases.
947
00:46:25,015 --> 00:46:28,018
That information is worth money,
so they're able to sell it,
948
00:46:28,452 --> 00:46:31,388
which is, again,
where that type of thing is coming from.
949
00:46:32,389 --> 00:46:33,791
So I don't know.
950
00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:37,361
Well, for everybody listening this week,
I would love to invite you
951
00:46:37,361 --> 00:46:39,263
to send in your questions.
Let us know that you're listening.
952
00:46:39,263 --> 00:46:40,597
But we already do.
953
00:46:40,597 --> 00:46:41,431
There's no need for that.
954
00:46:41,431 --> 00:46:44,434
We'll just go with the,
the analytics and,
955
00:46:45,402 --> 00:46:48,605
you, you know, that's the scary thing
is, is you're starting to see
956
00:46:48,605 --> 00:46:52,042
where that kind of thing could be possible
in the very near future.
957
00:46:54,178 --> 00:46:54,378
Yeah.
958
00:46:54,378 --> 00:46:57,981
That's not,
you know, you take that and then you add
959
00:46:57,981 --> 00:47:01,351
in some of the new technologies
with AI and computing capabilities.
960
00:47:01,351 --> 00:47:03,220
And, you know, one of the reasons to for
961
00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:06,223
this is going back to something
like license plate readers.
962
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:10,561
Not so long ago, it would have been
very difficult to have computers
963
00:47:10,561 --> 00:47:14,531
that were capable of doing that
and had enough storage.
964
00:47:14,531 --> 00:47:16,433
You know, at one time
storage was expensive
965
00:47:16,433 --> 00:47:19,469
and all these different types of things,
and it's very recent
966
00:47:19,469 --> 00:47:22,105
that all of that has changed
with, you know, massive data centers.
967
00:47:22,105 --> 00:47:26,343
I like we just mentioned that
almost infinite, infinite storage space
968
00:47:26,343 --> 00:47:27,778
and that type of a thing.
969
00:47:27,778 --> 00:47:31,415
And I think that's also creating
a situation where a lot of this stuff
970
00:47:32,149 --> 00:47:36,620
has really kind of, you know, grown up,
blown up in the last year
971
00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:39,957
or two years, three years, and again,
getting the lore behind it.
972
00:47:39,957 --> 00:47:41,658
And changing things is starting to happen.
973
00:47:41,658 --> 00:47:43,393
You're seeing it out there.
974
00:47:43,393 --> 00:47:46,997
But the other thing that I have to ask
is if I go by my, you know,
975
00:47:46,997 --> 00:47:50,734
vehicle, my Mazda Subaru or whatever,
976
00:47:51,235 --> 00:47:54,538
and I tell the system,
no, I don't want you to share data.
977
00:47:54,538 --> 00:47:57,241
I want to opt out of all these things.
978
00:47:57,241 --> 00:48:00,577
There's no way that I can definitively
know that that's actually turned it off.
979
00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:03,447
Yeah, that's a software lock.
980
00:48:03,447 --> 00:48:06,884
And you're relying on the manufacturers
honor
981
00:48:06,884 --> 00:48:11,255
in a way to be able
to, to know that that's the case.
982
00:48:11,822 --> 00:48:14,458
You know, I mean,
I wonder if maybe I can put a Faraday cage
983
00:48:14,458 --> 00:48:16,426
around the transmitter or something
under the hood.
984
00:48:16,426 --> 00:48:19,429
I wonder if that void my warranty.
985
00:48:21,632 --> 00:48:24,601
I don't know, you just protecting it.
986
00:48:24,835 --> 00:48:25,302
Yeah.
987
00:48:25,302 --> 00:48:27,571
I'm just protecting, you know, Ian Blass.
988
00:48:27,571 --> 00:48:30,207
Yeah. Yeah
989
00:48:30,207 --> 00:48:32,242
I don't know I, I am somebody
990
00:48:32,242 --> 00:48:36,079
that I love technology I always have
I mean you know things like have.
991
00:48:36,113 --> 00:48:39,082
Net navigation in the car
and even Google Maps
992
00:48:39,082 --> 00:48:42,986
and some of these type of things CarPlay,
Android Auto, all of that kind of stuff.
993
00:48:43,553 --> 00:48:44,888
That's one thing.
994
00:48:44,888 --> 00:48:47,891
But all of those things,
we have the ability to turn our phone off.
995
00:48:48,525 --> 00:48:52,663
And, you know, you can't do that
if your car has
996
00:48:52,663 --> 00:48:56,199
that the moment you hit the starter on it,
or worse than that, all the time.
997
00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:58,201
And, you know,
this is where this person lives,
998
00:48:58,201 --> 00:49:00,370
you know,
because we're able to look it up that way.
999
00:49:00,370 --> 00:49:03,707
So next week we are going to be talking
about some common sense things
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that you can do to help limit
that's not maybe get rid of it completely,
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but there are a few different techniques
that you can use
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to be able
to make this a little bit less creepy.
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