Janice Porter: Hi everyone and welcome to this week's episode
of relationships rule. My guest this week is coming to us from
Northern California and I'm so excited to talk to her. You
know, it's it's unbelievable actually how many things have
happened in common with us since we met. Her name is Nori, Java.
Please welcome me. welcome her to the show with me. Welcome
nori. Nice to have you on the show.
Nori Jabba: Thank you so much. I'm delighted to be here.
Janice Porter: Well, it started, it all really started with me
getting a message from Norreys publicist because she's just
become a best selling author. She's written a book. And we're
going to dig in and talk about that today. But what's so
strange is I said, Well, I don't know if I will have nori on my
podcast, I have to talk to her first because I like to meet
people before. It feels like it's the right thing to do. And,
of course, Norreys publicist said, of course, she'd be happy
to meet with you. Well, we never stopped talking, did we, from
the minute we we started and there were so many things that
came up for us that were I didn't know similar or the fact
that you know, Vancouver was like, so exciting to me that
you've called it your second home.
Nori Jabba: This my second home and my favorite place on earth.
Janice Porter: Well, so right away, how could I not have you
on my podcast, right, it was just it was a given, but we just
hit it off right away. And so I'm very excited to share nori
with my audience here. So nori wrote this book called Keeping
your seat at the table, which is really part memoir, and part
guidebook, and I love the style that that you write in nori and
that you you actually you're sharing a lot of you in this
book. And so I can see where it's like, it's your journey to
where you are, but it's also a lot of food for thought around
women, middle, middle age, women really 40 plus women not, I
won't say middle aged, I'll say 40 Plus, and the things that
have that we experienced that we weren't expecting. So I'd like
to ask you first, you know, how did you come to, to write this
book, because it's really quite interesting, the way it's
written and what it's about.
Nori Jabba: Thank you. So I wrote it, kind of us therapy,
printing and as an outlet for my frustration in dealing with job
hunting as a middle aged woman, and the books really designed
for women over 40, even though I'm over 50. But I learned that
women in their 40s face this just as much as women in their
50s. And I really started facing it in my 40s. And it just gets
worse and worse and worse as we age. And I just, I just couldn't
put up with it anymore. And I had to stop job hunting, I
actually just gave it up and decided to write a book about my
journey. And then I decided well, enough for this, I'm going
to start my own company if nobody's going to hire me. So I
started this had this concept to start this company and joined an
incubator program and a coaching program to help me get motivated
to do that, while writing the book. And I thought, Oh, this
will be great. I'll write this book, keeping your seat at the
table about a woman who wasn't hired and started her own
company and did amazing things. And during the process, I
decided not to start the company table bad idea, if you will,
decided to just focus on writing the book. And lo and behold, in
writing the book, I did get a job. And I'm very happy with
that. Now I'm actually on my second job since I started
writing a book I was stolen by another company.
Janice Porter: I away I think is your dream job, right?
Nori Jabba: I love it. I'm so happy. And you know, there's so
much more to unpack with that too. But yeah, I just got fed
up. And I it started depleting my self esteem. I wasn't feeling
good about myself, which everybody knows, you know, if
you're not feeling good about yourself, you're not going to
come across well in an interview. And I just needed to
take a step back. But I also wanted to research what was
happening. So I decided to make this a project and do some
interviewing and some research on why it's so hard for middle
aged women to get jobs. So I interviewed an HR director at
one of the companies that declined to hire me. And she
said yes, and we had coffee and I asked her why is it so hard
for white middle aged women and she just completely opened up
with me in the most honest, transparent way. And it was
really brave of her to do that because that were kind of
uncomfortable, and I'm grateful to her for that, and it really
started me on this journey of learning more and more and more.
So
Janice Porter: can you share just like maybe in an overview
of of what the gist of it was? Yes. So putting anything or
doing something, a
Nori Jabba: couple of things that I learned from her, she
said, you know, middle aged women don't listen. And that was
really a hard pill to swallow, because I didn't want to listen
to what she was telling me. I was really taken aback and a
little offended. And thank goodness, she was a middle aged
woman herself, or it probably would have gotten the table. But
I decided to sit up straight, lean in, and listen to what she
had to say, because Am I guilty of this? You know, I actually
felt like I was doing exactly what she said, that middle aged
women do, because I didn't want to hear what she had to say. But
I listened and said, you know, please tell me more. And it goes
both ways. You know, young people sometimes don't listen to
older people. But what she really explained to me was that
sometimes we women have to fight so hard to get our place at the
table. And especially when we are older and experienced and
have that wisdom, and we have so much to share that we do more
sharing than absorbing. And so it really, I stepped back. And
but yeah, I am totally guilty of that. And especially I started
thinking about an incident. And I shared in the book, where I
was sitting at a table with a very important meeting with a
bunch of man, I was either one one other woman or maybe two at
most. And I instead of listening because I kept being dismissed,
every time I opened my mouth or talked over, that I was looking
for opportunities to jump in, and not listening to what was
being said, but jumping in and using it to my advantage to just
be heard. So, and yet, it was a really important meeting. And
there were some valuable things that people were sharing. But I
think so often as women, we are put in that position unfairly.
And we have to wait to be heard, and not be dismissed. And so we
have to, we have to stop listening as a way to get
ourselves heard. And so I really thought about that. But I need
to become a better listener. And you know, I'm guilty of
interrupting and pushing my way in because we have to be kind of
forceful. So after that moment, I decided I'm going to really
focus on being a better listener. And I am still
actively working on that. And it's a lifelong journey. Right?
I appreciated what she said, Because I am a better listener
because of it. Interesting.
Janice Porter: That's so interesting. Because yes, we
have to we have to fight to be heard, then. It it's such a
there's so much emotion, especially women female. Yeah,
that's right. It's all consuming when that it does affect that
and does it also it made me think when you were talking does
it also, do you think she meant at all about the fact that if a
middle aged woman gets hired into a situation where the
younger men or women are managing them that that is the
that's where the issue comes?
Nori Jabba: Absolutely. No, everybody can take from that
message, what works for them, because there's so many nuances
to it. But for me, I have been told, you know, stop
interrupting it's listen a little bit more, you talk too
much or whatever. So for me, that's how I used it to better
myself interested in others, there might be something else.
So the other thing that's also related to that is that older
women, she told me, and I really think older men are in this
category too. Don't listen to young people. And there's a
dismissiveness of those who are starting out in their careers.
And I think young people are guilty of that too. You know,
the hate rumor and all of that dismissing middle aged people
and my kids have done that too. With me like give me your phone,
I'll teach you right and I've learned so much from them. But I
also from that really took it upon myself to actively embrace
being mentored by younger people, not just mentoring
younger people but trying to learn from them. And I'll tell
you that was so important to go through that journey because now
in my job that I have now but I love my boss is I'm much younger
than I am decades. And I don't think I could have dealt with
that effectively before I'd gone through this journey. So, you
know, could you have a really young boss? I, it's, it's an
interesting question. And when you get to a certain age,
everybody is younger than you in the work.
Janice Porter: And I'm unemployable anyway. So like I
had a long time ago, I learned, you know, I used to be a
teacher, and I loved teaching in my first life, but it didn't
like the bureaucracy around it. And I was very young at the
time. And, and then I realized when I left teaching, I still
wanted to teach, right, so I then I did corporate training.
And that's just another version of teaching kids because the
same characters appear right when
Nori Jabba: I love corporate training, I love teaching.
Janice Porter: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So but I did it as a
contractor, because I didn't want to be locked into
something. But then I had a lot to learn about business. So you
know, I've come different ways I've learned from younger
people, too. And I, I'm actually inspired by the bright, young
people that they've come from a completely different beginning.
And what they're doing with the world, in some, in some cases is
amazing. So, you know, there's a lot to learn from them, too. But
so there's a there's a central theme in your book. And this is
a question that that has come up that I know, it sort of comes up
in your book, as a secondary theme as the importance of
relationships with others at the table? And why is it so
important to have them? And how does one go about building such
a network? Because I know you have like, specific people at
your table that are your people, right? Is it like having your
own board of directors or just
Nori Jabba: Yeah, okay, that's pretty much what it is. So the
book is all about, you know, flipping the table, building
your own, you already have a seat at the table, you're at the
head, and developing these strategic partnerships with
others who sit at your table that you choose who's there, so
you're not invited to the table, you're inviting others to your
table. And so it's really shifting your view of success.
But one of the things I learned in my journey is, I'm an
extrovert, I have a lot of great connections, I worked in public
affairs and community relations. And so I know a lot of people
and have some really solid relationships. And I thought,
oh, all of these connections will help me in my job hunt.
Well, guess what? It didn't, it didn't didn't matter, that I had
a congress person on my reference list and know his cell
phone number and could call him at any time, it just didn't
matter. So what was really kind of a shock to me was that my
networking wasn't effective for me, and I know what this is your
job is to help him help people with their networking on
LinkedIn. And so you know, had all these great connections, but
I had to rethink them, and develop new connections that
were strategically designed to help me at this new table for
myself, this board of directors, if you will, that I was
creating.
Janice Porter: Okay, so back to the when you were looking for
the job, and you had all these connections. You know, my
daughter just went through this process of looking for a new
job. And she's had to do it a couple of times, and she's not
an extrovert, and she doesn't have a big network of people.
I'm the one with the network. I'm the one with all the
connections, but she wouldn't even listen to me, you know, so
that didn't even count. But in the end, what happened, she had
maybe 200 to two parts of this, she had like 200 applications
that she had put in for a job. And, you know, had a few
interviews. And in the end, she got a job Finally, after three
months or something. And it turned out that the guy that she
went through a first interview with this company, and then the
second interview was with this, her manager, her boss, who it
turned out she had worked for the same company as him several
years ago. They never worked together, but they knew some of
the same people. So, okay, she got that job over 200
applicants. I don't believe she was the best person for the job.
But I believe the fact that he had connection with her made a
difference. And I always say to people, it's not what you know,
it's who you know. So what you're saying is kind of
interesting to me, because in your case, it didn't really help
you.
Nori Jabba: So it could have and, you know, ultimately when I
look back at the job that I did get during the process because I
knew that the executive director, okay, so that's,
Janice Porter: that's yes. But I
Nori Jabba: reached out to her to tell her, Hey, I am job
hunting, please hire me, it was because we had this organic
relationship that we've had for 15 years. And she realized a
need for her company. And she reached out to me. And then the
job that I have now I got because of my relationships with
the people that I was working with in my job. So the
connections do help. But I guess the ones that I bought, that I
could rely on to really open doors for me, that wasn't okay.
So I think your story about your daughter is so important too,
because you sometimes aren't aware of how these connections
are going to help you. Right? Right. So so making sure that
you really just think about all of these connections, and
understand that it's great to get the word out that you're job
hunting, you know. But, but rethinking how you use your
contacts. And that, yeah, we can do for them, too, you know, one
of your interviews that I listened to, with Sam, I forget
his last name, um, Jacobs, Jacobs is is stop thinking of it
as a transaction, these relationships, you know, what
can you do for me? What can I do for you, and if you start
looking at it as, what can I do for you, this genuine suddenlink
people will, other people will do things for you.
Janice Porter: So, and that's an and just to build on that I, I
believe that. And it's also though, it's the law of
reciprocity. And it's not necessarily, you know, I do
something for you, and you do something for me, I do something
for you, out of the kindness of my heart, and somebody else out
there does something for me, because that's how it works. It
doesn't necessarily come back from where it was in the first
place. And, and I think that gets misconstrued sometimes. But
also, was I gonna say, oh, that, I think it's important with the
connections that we have, and the relationships that we build,
we have to protect our relationships. And be careful
how we use them, right not to take advantage of them. And
right, so for example, if I'm introducing you, the new, my new
friend, to someone I've known for a long time, I would want to
make sure that this person in my connection base or community
would be okay with me, bringing someone to them. So I always
want to make sure that that happens, I happen to know in
these two cases, it'll be fine that we you and I talked about
before. But that's kind of to me, it's about protecting your
relationships with people so that they end loving on them
every once in a while right to keep them to keep them in your
circle. So yeah, it's all to me, it's always about people. So
that's, that's where I'm coming from there. So there's, I am
curious about this. This was one of the questions you had on your
sheet, but it's not why I'm asking it. It's because when I
was reading your book, and each chapter begins with 100, word
summary. Now, I was tempted
Nori Jabba: to count the words, I have to tell you about them.
They are exactly I
Janice Porter: didn't because I thought no, that's wasted my
time. But okay, so there you go. It is 100 words. Why did you do
that? I just love that whole thing.
Nori Jabba: It's so much fun. So this really came to me through a
friend of mine from college. His name is Grant Faulkner. And he
is executive director of NaNoWriMo, which stands for
National Novel Writing Month, which is an it's actually an
international organization where you challenge yourself to write
a novel in one month, in it's held in the month of November,
and then they have other challenges throughout the year.
But it's this challenge. And he also is the editor of the 100
word story, which is a book that comes out every year, and
everybody submits their 100 word story. And I talked to him about
this. And I just started doing this as an exercise for fun.
It's almost like writing a poem or trying to write a short story
or if you're if you're a journal or you can try to capture your
thoughts. And I also would help my kids edit their papers after
they've written them because they had a twin A 500 word maths
or whatever it was trying to get it down under the limit. So I
was an English major and just enjoy the word cutting, I guess
I'm quite nervous. So I started doing these 100 word summaries
as a way to really capture each the essence of what I was trying
to show and share with every single chapter. And it's, it's a
fun game, it's a fun challenge. And it makes you realize how
important every single word really is. And so I use this
method a lot in my writing to try to wait, you know, if I'm
writing a policy, what am I trying to say? Captured in 100
words? And then you do, you can do with less than 100 words, but
I prefer to do exactly what, okay, there you go, just for the
fun of it, because it is such a challenge to capture the essence
in exactly 100 words. So there's a summary of each, at the
beginning of each chapter, count them, they are exactly 100
words.
Janice Porter: I love it. And then I am also curious as to how
you came up with the, you know, the metaphor of the table,
because as, as it's shown throughout the story, there's so
many different places and ways to use it. But I'm curious how
you came up with that.
Nori Jabba: So I was actually at a women's leadership conference,
it was a one day conference, and one of the speakers was talking
about keeping your seat at the table or getting your seat at
the table and how women need to have that seat at the table. And
I just started brainstorming about how fun that word is, and
how we use it. And there's just so much you can do with that.
And my chapters in the book are all about, you know, the
metaphor of the table, and how we use it, you know, don't get
pulled under the table, on the table. And, and I think it's
time to think of it in a broader way. And when I was doing my job
hunt, that was the message that came through to me loud and
clear with my journey is that the table was so much more than
just having a seat at the corporate table of success and
what's image we have the table. And you know, it's it's
essential to humanity. The table is where we love where we learn,
where we ask hard questions, and have tough conversations where
we socialize and nourish ourselves and our souls. And so
why am I just so stuck on having a seat at this corporate table?
So I really use the journey to re to shift my view of success
and view of the table to be much more about life fulfillment,
rather than just a corporate seat at the table and feeling
like I'd made it.
Janice Porter: Yeah, that's awesome. You and you share a lot
of things in this book about, you know, being a mom and, and
dealing with clutter and seeing that have come from, from your
family and things like that. One of the chapters is called Don't
table yourself, chapter five, and it's about staying relevant.
And and we talked just briefly earlier about, you know, older
women, perhaps not listening well, and things like that, but
we need to stay relevant. How are you staying relevant?
Nori Jabba: Well, so in writing this book, I realized I have so
much I need to learn. And we have to stay on top of things,
you have to know the current technology. And as we get older,
it's more and more overwhelmed. There's more. And you know, we
weren't born with AI, with watches on our risks that lead
us to the world. We were born in a different time. And I watched
my mom, and seniors who are literally left behind and
isolated because they can't use a smartphone to call an Uber. Or
it's just, it's just too hard for them to do it. And sometimes
I've been in meetings and I've heard an older person say, Oh,
I'm way too old for that. And I realized, yes, you are. So I am
not going to be that person. I need to stay on top of it all
and learn everything and not be intimidated or overwhelmed by
it. And so you know, I rely on younger people to help me learn
that and make sure that I know all the current technology that
that is relevant for my job, you know, just being able to say I'm
going to take that course or I'm going to learn about go on
LinkedIn learning. LinkedIn learning is incredible what they
have all these courses that you can take. And as part of the
book, I did research on resources for learning new
skills. And I went to nobleworks, which is the job
training center in our metropolitan area here. But
every in the US and probably in Canada, too. All of the
metropolitans have these job training centers, and they're
free, and you can go and they will help you assess your
skills, and figure out what you need to learn. And they will
help you get those skills. So as an older woman in the workplace,
middle aged, I don't like to be called older, but know this for
sure. We need to make sure we stay on top and learn all these
new things. So always staying open to learning new things, and
not being intimidated is really, really important. And that's why
having younger people at your table is important too, because
they show you the way or teach you a new thing. How often have
I been at work, and somebody needed help with Excel? And I
said, Oh, you just do it this way. And I'd sit down and show
them or they would do the same for me. I learned how to how to
change these page breaks that I couldn't get rid of in Word by
watching a YouTube video on it.
Janice Porter: Yeah. My 12 year old, right.
Nori Jabba: You've just got to keep learning to stay.
Janice Porter: Well, yeah, it's so true. But it's funny, you
know, when you said old were, you know, I'm older than you.
But I don't consider myself old. Anyone just getting started?
Yeah, so but when I see, like, over the last couple of days on
CNN, two very smart, very old people kind of lose it on in
front of, you know, the the world. That's scary, because
they didn't know when to stop and move away. I think
especially Dianne Feinstein, that was pretty scary. Yeah. And
well, and Mitch McConnell, but, you know, you just, I mean,
they're brilliant people, but they've gone past, you know,
they're, well, we won't get into politics, because I know there's
more to that story as well. Right?
Nori Jabba: When you know, as we age, and if you are going to be
working into your 80s like those two, you better know what's
going on in the world and know the new technology, and be able
to use the communication systems that people use in this day and
age. You know, I, I don't want to tweet, but I am learning now.
It's called x. Learning how to do it and trying to embrace it
because that's what authors use. Okay, my daughter told me, Mom,
you got to do a video on tick tock, tick tock has this book
talk channel. All the authors are using so I am learning how
to do that. Isn't
Janice Porter: that interesting? Because that I didn't know. So.
So how did your daughter know that? Like, is she into the same
world as you? I know, she's into Tik Tok, obviously, but how did
she
Nori Jabba: not at all I mean, every young person in there, I
have three daughters in their 20s. And they know all of this.
It's just you're born with it. But no, I, this particular
daughter works in launching people in their music careers.
So she knows how to do that. Sure, of course, is of course
very important, or asking her for years. Yeah, definitely.
Interesting. So we discovered
Janice Porter: something about this. But I want to ask you
about this, your career path has been what you described as
squiggly lines instead of an upward arrow pointing to
success, and you express how important it is to make peace
with your journey. So we discovered that that term was
something I recognized was someone who had been a guest on
my podcast a few years ago, actually. But so what did that
mean to you? And can you tell us a little bit more about that?
First, I
Nori Jabba: can't wait to read her book. Angela, can Lyons book
your soul sisters? For sure. Yeah, I mean, I, I got a
master's degree two years out of undergrad and had this had this
path for myself mapped out and it was an arrow going straight
up. You know, I moved up quickly and had this wonderful job. And
I really thought I was going to be in the C suite. That's what I
had envisioned for myself. And it didn't have that. And it's
okay. It's okay. But it took me until now, to make peace with
the fact that it didn't happen. And I made the conscious choice
not to make it happen when I tabled the job, the company that
I was going to start, and you know, I've had my consulting
business and been called myself president for 10 years or more.
And so I've had that but it's not the same as Starting a
company of large company, but having a squiggly lines career
has given me a richness and opportunities and opened new
doors for me that I never would have had, if I just kept on that
arrow and continued on my corporate career path. And I
didn't, because I wanted to be home with my kids. And it was,
frankly, just too hard. I had an hour and 20 minutes each way
commute. And with two babies, yeah, that is really, really
hard. And you know, kids get ear infections. And you have to, we
would have 3am conversations with quotes, more like fights
over whose job was more important and who we could not,
who could miss work the next day to stay home with kid and that
was before remote work was really a possibility. And so
thank goodness, the worlds has adjusted. And we can be parents
and deal with aging parents. And you know, now I have to take my
mom to the doctor a lot and take time off to do that. But the
world has changed. But the squiggly lines, it was really
hard for me to accept that I didn't do what I set out to do
when I was in my 20s. And is it too late? And so the book is
really about shifting my view of success and really making peace
with those wonderfully squiggly lines with squiggly line, a
curvy line is so much more interesting than a straight
line. Yes, of course, of course,
Janice Porter: I think to have launched three daughters who I
know had busy, high school careers and in sports and music
or whatever. Like there's always there was always one going
somewhere, right? Or three are all going in three different
directions. So to be able to say, hey, you know, they turned
out okay, I think is they turned out any wonderful.
Nori Jabba: Yeah. So because of all of them. And yeah, but those
squiggly lines for me. And I'm still making peace with it.
Don't get me wrong. I've made peace. But it's a it's an
ongoing process. But yeah, it's okay. It's okay to have squiggly
lines.
Janice Porter: I agree. I you know, because mine didn't go the
way it was meant I thought it would go either, but it's all
good. Okay, so coming, we're coming close to the end. And,
and I wanted to share that I saw in here that you were an avid
reader, and that you fell off the wagon a little bit because
other things get in the way as they do. And I know I shared
with you before we went on air that, you know, I love to read
to and I'm always buying books, but they sit in a pile because,
you know, I sit and watch something on Netflix at night
and said, because I've been in front of a screen all day. And
now my eyes really hurt. And I don't want to look at a book.
But I don't want to look at it on the Kindle either. I don't
like that. I would rather have the book. And so you have in one
of these chapters that you that you like audiobooks, but what I
wanted to get to was your book
Nori Jabba: bucket list. Oh, book bucket last year? Yes. Yes,
it's a long list. And there's pressure because you know, how
am I going to read all of those books, but so I went to a
liberal arts college and read for four years straight need
glasses, because I read so much during that time. But after
college, I couldn't touch a book for a long time. And I think
that's very typical. We work hard in school, and we need a
break. And if you've done anything with a lot of reading
and college, you do need a break. And so I started reading
again in my late 20s and 30s. But then I had kids and you know
who has time to read when you're working and juggling a family?
There's no way so I discovered audiobooks. And I can multitask
and walk while I or exercise while I'm listening to podcasts
to audiobooks and I just love it. And I started doing this
during COVID. And I would find that I would be excited and
couldn't wait to get out on my walk because I couldn't put the
book down. My very first audio book was Trevor Noah was born a
crime. I love listening to audiobooks that are narrated by
the author and my book is narrated by citing
Janice Porter: your version now.
Nori Jabba: But audiobooks are a wonderful way to help. Check off
those bucket list books. And I can't wait to continue. You
know, I'd love to get out of my walks because what's the last
one
Janice Porter: that you listen to?
Nori Jabba: Oh my goodness. I have listened to so many will
and my Maya So, you'll laugh my last one was how to give a TED
talk. Oh, wow. Okay. And that was fabulous. Fabulous. And I
also recently listened to Jay Shetty his book. love science.
That was a really good one to do when
Janice Porter: you wrote this book you had you were just going
to read. I love the titles. I mean, the cleverness, losing my
virginity and finding my virginity, Richard Branson,
Nori Jabba: right, and those who read hardcopy, okay. And he
didn't narrate them. They do. They are actually on my list to
do the audiobook, because those two books were probably two of
the most inspiring books I have ever read. And Richard is just
he is my hero. He is at my table. I hope I can meet him
someday. Oh, wow. I really, really do. And I met these two
women who worked for him. And they worked as misuses for him
on Necker Island, when he went cold retreats. And they were
they were the people that did the massage or everybody. Were
taking breaks in their corporate retreat. I don't know what it
was. But anyway, I felt like oh, my gosh, you, you know him. So I
helped this connection to Richard, but I have a deep
connection with him. I quote his, his talk with his granny
book, and because his granny was 99. And she said, you know, the
best years of my life. I've been in my 90s. And what a wonderful
way to look back on your life that now as an adult woman, she
is happier than she's ever been. I shared that with my mother.
And she burst out laughing. I said, No, not the experience
she's had.
Janice Porter: So I heard someone else say that Carol
Burnett. Oh, yeah.
Nori Jabba: Yeah. So I asked, I aspire to be that kind of woman
that looks at my later years as the best years of my life. So
that was Richard who inspired me so
Janice Porter: so you know, I have a connection to him to Zoo.
Yes. So a good friend of mine, Jordan Adler, who is an
affiliate with a company I'm with, he's an amazing network
marketer and speaker and author. And he is on the list that he
paid money to go to space with Richard Branson. Okay, so he's
already gone to Necker Island a couple of times with the group
of people that are going on this mission, when when their time
comes, because the first one went up with, with all the, you
know, just Richard. And so they're getting ready. So yeah,
so he's, and he speaks, he shares experiences at the, at
the, at Richard's home with us about it, and it's free. It's
fast.
Nori Jabba: It's an amazing man. And anybody who has ever seen
those books knows what a commitment that is, because they
are not short books, they are very fat 150 500 pages. But
really, highly recommend them. But you know, what he taught me
is that anything's possible. It just his journey of starting
Virgin Records and how it all came together. There was no
plan. It was just, it just happened. And he, he is the kind
of person that just jumps in an opportunity when it presents
itself. And nothing's impossible to him.
Janice Porter: Right? Doesn't he say? Doesn't he say say yes, and
then figure it out?
Nori Jabba: Exactly. Well, this has been
Janice Porter: wonderful talking to you. And I'm so excited
because your book is fairly new. Yes, it's quite new. And you're
getting out there talking to people about it. And I'm sharing
it with people by doing this, I hope that you'll get some more
people listening and and reading your book. And I feel so blessed
to have met you. So thank you so much for being on the podcast.
And maybe if you have one last pearls of wisdom for my
audience, that would be awesome.
Nori Jabba: So if you want a seat at the table, remember that
you already have it, you just helped to build out your table.
Thank you.
Janice Porter: Thank you, and thank you to my audience, for
being here. And if you liked what you heard, please leave a
review Oh, and in the shownotes I will put the information for
where you can find Nori and find her book so that you can read it
too. And
Nori Jabba: I have a website for the book. It's called Keeping
your seat.com books on Amazon as well. And I'm on LinkedIn, Nori,
Java and the only one in the world. And I hope to hear from
some of your listeners. Amazing thank you so much. Thank you
ever to to stay connected and be remembered