1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,150 Janice Porter: Hi everyone and welcome to this week's episode 2 00:00:03,180 --> 00:00:07,020 of relationships rule. My guest this week is coming to us from 3 00:00:07,020 --> 00:00:10,410 Northern California and I'm so excited to talk to her. You 4 00:00:10,410 --> 00:00:13,500 know, it's it's unbelievable actually how many things have 5 00:00:13,500 --> 00:00:18,420 happened in common with us since we met. Her name is Nori, Java. 6 00:00:18,540 --> 00:00:21,870 Please welcome me. welcome her to the show with me. Welcome 7 00:00:21,870 --> 00:00:23,910 nori. Nice to have you on the show. 8 00:00:24,030 --> 00:00:26,250 Nori Jabba: Thank you so much. I'm delighted to be here. 9 00:00:26,910 --> 00:00:31,050 Janice Porter: Well, it started, it all really started with me 10 00:00:31,050 --> 00:00:35,520 getting a message from Norreys publicist because she's just 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,540 become a best selling author. She's written a book. And we're 12 00:00:39,540 --> 00:00:42,240 going to dig in and talk about that today. But what's so 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:47,670 strange is I said, Well, I don't know if I will have nori on my 14 00:00:47,670 --> 00:00:50,460 podcast, I have to talk to her first because I like to meet 15 00:00:50,460 --> 00:00:55,170 people before. It feels like it's the right thing to do. And, 16 00:00:55,260 --> 00:01:00,090 of course, Norreys publicist said, of course, she'd be happy 17 00:01:00,090 --> 00:01:03,060 to meet with you. Well, we never stopped talking, did we, from 18 00:01:03,060 --> 00:01:06,150 the minute we we started and there were so many things that 19 00:01:06,150 --> 00:01:12,270 came up for us that were I didn't know similar or the fact 20 00:01:12,270 --> 00:01:15,330 that you know, Vancouver was like, so exciting to me that 21 00:01:15,330 --> 00:01:17,100 you've called it your second home. 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,570 Nori Jabba: This my second home and my favorite place on earth. 23 00:01:22,049 --> 00:01:24,179 Janice Porter: Well, so right away, how could I not have you 24 00:01:24,179 --> 00:01:27,929 on my podcast, right, it was just it was a given, but we just 25 00:01:27,929 --> 00:01:31,919 hit it off right away. And so I'm very excited to share nori 26 00:01:31,919 --> 00:01:36,179 with my audience here. So nori wrote this book called Keeping 27 00:01:36,209 --> 00:01:41,579 your seat at the table, which is really part memoir, and part 28 00:01:41,579 --> 00:01:47,789 guidebook, and I love the style that that you write in nori and 29 00:01:47,789 --> 00:01:51,869 that you you actually you're sharing a lot of you in this 30 00:01:51,869 --> 00:01:56,039 book. And so I can see where it's like, it's your journey to 31 00:01:56,039 --> 00:02:00,419 where you are, but it's also a lot of food for thought around 32 00:02:00,779 --> 00:02:07,679 women, middle, middle age, women really 40 plus women not, I 33 00:02:07,679 --> 00:02:11,249 won't say middle aged, I'll say 40 Plus, and the things that 34 00:02:11,249 --> 00:02:15,959 have that we experienced that we weren't expecting. So I'd like 35 00:02:15,959 --> 00:02:19,559 to ask you first, you know, how did you come to, to write this 36 00:02:19,559 --> 00:02:23,009 book, because it's really quite interesting, the way it's 37 00:02:23,009 --> 00:02:24,449 written and what it's about. 38 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:29,010 Nori Jabba: Thank you. So I wrote it, kind of us therapy, 39 00:02:29,910 --> 00:02:36,960 printing and as an outlet for my frustration in dealing with job 40 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:42,180 hunting as a middle aged woman, and the books really designed 41 00:02:42,180 --> 00:02:47,250 for women over 40, even though I'm over 50. But I learned that 42 00:02:47,310 --> 00:02:51,600 women in their 40s face this just as much as women in their 43 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,730 50s. And I really started facing it in my 40s. And it just gets 44 00:02:56,730 --> 00:03:01,530 worse and worse and worse as we age. And I just, I just couldn't 45 00:03:01,530 --> 00:03:05,100 put up with it anymore. And I had to stop job hunting, I 46 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:09,270 actually just gave it up and decided to write a book about my 47 00:03:09,270 --> 00:03:13,170 journey. And then I decided well, enough for this, I'm going 48 00:03:13,170 --> 00:03:15,990 to start my own company if nobody's going to hire me. So I 49 00:03:15,990 --> 00:03:20,400 started this had this concept to start this company and joined an 50 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:25,260 incubator program and a coaching program to help me get motivated 51 00:03:25,260 --> 00:03:28,140 to do that, while writing the book. And I thought, Oh, this 52 00:03:28,140 --> 00:03:31,080 will be great. I'll write this book, keeping your seat at the 53 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,020 table about a woman who wasn't hired and started her own 54 00:03:34,020 --> 00:03:38,550 company and did amazing things. And during the process, I 55 00:03:38,580 --> 00:03:42,360 decided not to start the company table bad idea, if you will, 56 00:03:43,410 --> 00:03:48,240 decided to just focus on writing the book. And lo and behold, in 57 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:53,700 writing the book, I did get a job. And I'm very happy with 58 00:03:53,700 --> 00:03:56,160 that. Now I'm actually on my second job since I started 59 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,640 writing a book I was stolen by another company. 60 00:04:00,150 --> 00:04:03,180 Janice Porter: I away I think is your dream job, right? 61 00:04:03,330 --> 00:04:06,660 Nori Jabba: I love it. I'm so happy. And you know, there's so 62 00:04:06,660 --> 00:04:10,260 much more to unpack with that too. But yeah, I just got fed 63 00:04:10,260 --> 00:04:14,850 up. And I it started depleting my self esteem. I wasn't feeling 64 00:04:14,850 --> 00:04:17,220 good about myself, which everybody knows, you know, if 65 00:04:17,220 --> 00:04:19,020 you're not feeling good about yourself, you're not going to 66 00:04:19,020 --> 00:04:22,020 come across well in an interview. And I just needed to 67 00:04:22,020 --> 00:04:25,770 take a step back. But I also wanted to research what was 68 00:04:25,770 --> 00:04:30,060 happening. So I decided to make this a project and do some 69 00:04:30,060 --> 00:04:33,930 interviewing and some research on why it's so hard for middle 70 00:04:33,930 --> 00:04:37,800 aged women to get jobs. So I interviewed an HR director at 71 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,150 one of the companies that declined to hire me. And she 72 00:04:42,150 --> 00:04:45,840 said yes, and we had coffee and I asked her why is it so hard 73 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:49,470 for white middle aged women and she just completely opened up 74 00:04:49,470 --> 00:04:53,610 with me in the most honest, transparent way. And it was 75 00:04:53,610 --> 00:04:57,000 really brave of her to do that because that were kind of 76 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,200 uncomfortable, and I'm grateful to her for that, and it really 77 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,780 started me on this journey of learning more and more and more. 78 00:05:04,260 --> 00:05:04,740 So 79 00:05:05,340 --> 00:05:08,490 Janice Porter: can you share just like maybe in an overview 80 00:05:08,490 --> 00:05:12,840 of of what the gist of it was? Yes. So putting anything or 81 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:13,620 doing something, a 82 00:05:13,650 --> 00:05:17,190 Nori Jabba: couple of things that I learned from her, she 83 00:05:17,190 --> 00:05:22,920 said, you know, middle aged women don't listen. And that was 84 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,270 really a hard pill to swallow, because I didn't want to listen 85 00:05:27,270 --> 00:05:32,010 to what she was telling me. I was really taken aback and a 86 00:05:32,010 --> 00:05:35,910 little offended. And thank goodness, she was a middle aged 87 00:05:35,910 --> 00:05:40,260 woman herself, or it probably would have gotten the table. But 88 00:05:40,500 --> 00:05:45,240 I decided to sit up straight, lean in, and listen to what she 89 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,750 had to say, because Am I guilty of this? You know, I actually 90 00:05:48,750 --> 00:05:52,410 felt like I was doing exactly what she said, that middle aged 91 00:05:52,410 --> 00:05:55,800 women do, because I didn't want to hear what she had to say. But 92 00:05:55,830 --> 00:06:00,780 I listened and said, you know, please tell me more. And it goes 93 00:06:00,780 --> 00:06:03,450 both ways. You know, young people sometimes don't listen to 94 00:06:03,450 --> 00:06:07,950 older people. But what she really explained to me was that 95 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:13,680 sometimes we women have to fight so hard to get our place at the 96 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,910 table. And especially when we are older and experienced and 97 00:06:17,910 --> 00:06:21,870 have that wisdom, and we have so much to share that we do more 98 00:06:21,870 --> 00:06:27,270 sharing than absorbing. And so it really, I stepped back. And 99 00:06:27,270 --> 00:06:32,550 but yeah, I am totally guilty of that. And especially I started 100 00:06:32,550 --> 00:06:36,750 thinking about an incident. And I shared in the book, where I 101 00:06:36,750 --> 00:06:39,720 was sitting at a table with a very important meeting with a 102 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,820 bunch of man, I was either one one other woman or maybe two at 103 00:06:44,820 --> 00:06:49,770 most. And I instead of listening because I kept being dismissed, 104 00:06:49,770 --> 00:06:53,580 every time I opened my mouth or talked over, that I was looking 105 00:06:53,580 --> 00:06:57,240 for opportunities to jump in, and not listening to what was 106 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,680 being said, but jumping in and using it to my advantage to just 107 00:07:01,710 --> 00:07:06,450 be heard. So, and yet, it was a really important meeting. And 108 00:07:06,450 --> 00:07:09,750 there were some valuable things that people were sharing. But I 109 00:07:09,750 --> 00:07:14,850 think so often as women, we are put in that position unfairly. 110 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,520 And we have to wait to be heard, and not be dismissed. And so we 111 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,020 have to, we have to stop listening as a way to get 112 00:07:25,170 --> 00:07:30,060 ourselves heard. And so I really thought about that. But I need 113 00:07:30,060 --> 00:07:33,420 to become a better listener. And you know, I'm guilty of 114 00:07:33,510 --> 00:07:38,190 interrupting and pushing my way in because we have to be kind of 115 00:07:38,190 --> 00:07:41,850 forceful. So after that moment, I decided I'm going to really 116 00:07:41,850 --> 00:07:45,510 focus on being a better listener. And I am still 117 00:07:45,510 --> 00:07:48,930 actively working on that. And it's a lifelong journey. Right? 118 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:53,640 I appreciated what she said, Because I am a better listener 119 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,620 because of it. Interesting. 120 00:07:55,890 --> 00:07:57,750 Janice Porter: That's so interesting. Because yes, we 121 00:07:57,750 --> 00:08:03,960 have to we have to fight to be heard, then. It it's such a 122 00:08:04,890 --> 00:08:09,120 there's so much emotion, especially women female. Yeah, 123 00:08:09,300 --> 00:08:12,900 that's right. It's all consuming when that it does affect that 124 00:08:12,900 --> 00:08:15,540 and does it also it made me think when you were talking does 125 00:08:15,540 --> 00:08:20,910 it also, do you think she meant at all about the fact that if a 126 00:08:21,060 --> 00:08:25,830 middle aged woman gets hired into a situation where the 127 00:08:25,830 --> 00:08:31,320 younger men or women are managing them that that is the 128 00:08:31,350 --> 00:08:33,120 that's where the issue comes? 129 00:08:33,150 --> 00:08:38,370 Nori Jabba: Absolutely. No, everybody can take from that 130 00:08:38,490 --> 00:08:43,560 message, what works for them, because there's so many nuances 131 00:08:43,560 --> 00:08:48,420 to it. But for me, I have been told, you know, stop 132 00:08:48,420 --> 00:08:51,690 interrupting it's listen a little bit more, you talk too 133 00:08:51,690 --> 00:08:56,370 much or whatever. So for me, that's how I used it to better 134 00:08:56,370 --> 00:09:00,300 myself interested in others, there might be something else. 135 00:09:00,510 --> 00:09:06,360 So the other thing that's also related to that is that older 136 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,380 women, she told me, and I really think older men are in this 137 00:09:10,380 --> 00:09:14,760 category too. Don't listen to young people. And there's a 138 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,930 dismissiveness of those who are starting out in their careers. 139 00:09:18,990 --> 00:09:22,500 And I think young people are guilty of that too. You know, 140 00:09:22,500 --> 00:09:27,090 the hate rumor and all of that dismissing middle aged people 141 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:32,040 and my kids have done that too. With me like give me your phone, 142 00:09:32,070 --> 00:09:37,410 I'll teach you right and I've learned so much from them. But I 143 00:09:37,410 --> 00:09:43,650 also from that really took it upon myself to actively embrace 144 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,820 being mentored by younger people, not just mentoring 145 00:09:47,820 --> 00:09:51,690 younger people but trying to learn from them. And I'll tell 146 00:09:51,690 --> 00:09:55,800 you that was so important to go through that journey because now 147 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:01,620 in my job that I have now but I love my boss is I'm much younger 148 00:10:01,620 --> 00:10:06,120 than I am decades. And I don't think I could have dealt with 149 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,920 that effectively before I'd gone through this journey. So, you 150 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,810 know, could you have a really young boss? I, it's, it's an 151 00:10:15,930 --> 00:10:19,170 interesting question. And when you get to a certain age, 152 00:10:19,170 --> 00:10:20,700 everybody is younger than you in the work. 153 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,790 Janice Porter: And I'm unemployable anyway. So like I 154 00:10:23,790 --> 00:10:27,090 had a long time ago, I learned, you know, I used to be a 155 00:10:27,090 --> 00:10:31,650 teacher, and I loved teaching in my first life, but it didn't 156 00:10:31,650 --> 00:10:34,590 like the bureaucracy around it. And I was very young at the 157 00:10:34,590 --> 00:10:41,880 time. And, and then I realized when I left teaching, I still 158 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,000 wanted to teach, right, so I then I did corporate training. 159 00:10:45,150 --> 00:10:47,580 And that's just another version of teaching kids because the 160 00:10:47,580 --> 00:10:49,470 same characters appear right when 161 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:52,229 Nori Jabba: I love corporate training, I love teaching. 162 00:10:52,350 --> 00:10:55,410 Janice Porter: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So but I did it as a 163 00:10:55,410 --> 00:10:57,960 contractor, because I didn't want to be locked into 164 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,650 something. But then I had a lot to learn about business. So you 165 00:11:01,650 --> 00:11:04,290 know, I've come different ways I've learned from younger 166 00:11:04,290 --> 00:11:09,660 people, too. And I, I'm actually inspired by the bright, young 167 00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:14,310 people that they've come from a completely different beginning. 168 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,940 And what they're doing with the world, in some, in some cases is 169 00:11:17,940 --> 00:11:21,300 amazing. So, you know, there's a lot to learn from them, too. But 170 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,460 so there's a there's a central theme in your book. And this is 171 00:11:26,460 --> 00:11:30,450 a question that that has come up that I know, it sort of comes up 172 00:11:30,450 --> 00:11:34,200 in your book, as a secondary theme as the importance of 173 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,740 relationships with others at the table? And why is it so 174 00:11:37,740 --> 00:11:40,980 important to have them? And how does one go about building such 175 00:11:40,980 --> 00:11:45,630 a network? Because I know you have like, specific people at 176 00:11:45,630 --> 00:11:48,990 your table that are your people, right? Is it like having your 177 00:11:48,990 --> 00:11:51,630 own board of directors or just 178 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,020 Nori Jabba: Yeah, okay, that's pretty much what it is. So the 179 00:11:55,020 --> 00:11:59,280 book is all about, you know, flipping the table, building 180 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,490 your own, you already have a seat at the table, you're at the 181 00:12:02,490 --> 00:12:07,230 head, and developing these strategic partnerships with 182 00:12:07,260 --> 00:12:11,100 others who sit at your table that you choose who's there, so 183 00:12:11,100 --> 00:12:14,100 you're not invited to the table, you're inviting others to your 184 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:17,970 table. And so it's really shifting your view of success. 185 00:12:18,270 --> 00:12:21,900 But one of the things I learned in my journey is, I'm an 186 00:12:21,900 --> 00:12:26,820 extrovert, I have a lot of great connections, I worked in public 187 00:12:26,820 --> 00:12:30,690 affairs and community relations. And so I know a lot of people 188 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,660 and have some really solid relationships. And I thought, 189 00:12:33,690 --> 00:12:37,350 oh, all of these connections will help me in my job hunt. 190 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:42,750 Well, guess what? It didn't, it didn't didn't matter, that I had 191 00:12:42,810 --> 00:12:47,070 a congress person on my reference list and know his cell 192 00:12:47,070 --> 00:12:50,370 phone number and could call him at any time, it just didn't 193 00:12:50,370 --> 00:12:55,740 matter. So what was really kind of a shock to me was that my 194 00:12:55,740 --> 00:12:59,130 networking wasn't effective for me, and I know what this is your 195 00:12:59,130 --> 00:13:02,340 job is to help him help people with their networking on 196 00:13:02,340 --> 00:13:06,720 LinkedIn. And so you know, had all these great connections, but 197 00:13:07,050 --> 00:13:12,360 I had to rethink them, and develop new connections that 198 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:17,370 were strategically designed to help me at this new table for 199 00:13:17,370 --> 00:13:19,890 myself, this board of directors, if you will, that I was 200 00:13:19,890 --> 00:13:20,550 creating. 201 00:13:22,169 --> 00:13:24,779 Janice Porter: Okay, so back to the when you were looking for 202 00:13:24,779 --> 00:13:29,519 the job, and you had all these connections. You know, my 203 00:13:29,519 --> 00:13:32,309 daughter just went through this process of looking for a new 204 00:13:32,309 --> 00:13:37,739 job. And she's had to do it a couple of times, and she's not 205 00:13:37,739 --> 00:13:41,369 an extrovert, and she doesn't have a big network of people. 206 00:13:41,429 --> 00:13:43,679 I'm the one with the network. I'm the one with all the 207 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,249 connections, but she wouldn't even listen to me, you know, so 208 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:51,239 that didn't even count. But in the end, what happened, she had 209 00:13:51,239 --> 00:13:58,559 maybe 200 to two parts of this, she had like 200 applications 210 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,699 that she had put in for a job. And, you know, had a few 211 00:14:02,699 --> 00:14:07,019 interviews. And in the end, she got a job Finally, after three 212 00:14:07,019 --> 00:14:13,349 months or something. And it turned out that the guy that she 213 00:14:13,349 --> 00:14:15,749 went through a first interview with this company, and then the 214 00:14:15,749 --> 00:14:20,519 second interview was with this, her manager, her boss, who it 215 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:24,389 turned out she had worked for the same company as him several 216 00:14:24,389 --> 00:14:27,569 years ago. They never worked together, but they knew some of 217 00:14:27,569 --> 00:14:32,489 the same people. So, okay, she got that job over 200 218 00:14:32,489 --> 00:14:36,419 applicants. I don't believe she was the best person for the job. 219 00:14:36,719 --> 00:14:40,979 But I believe the fact that he had connection with her made a 220 00:14:40,979 --> 00:14:44,669 difference. And I always say to people, it's not what you know, 221 00:14:44,669 --> 00:14:47,339 it's who you know. So what you're saying is kind of 222 00:14:47,339 --> 00:14:51,119 interesting to me, because in your case, it didn't really help 223 00:14:51,119 --> 00:14:51,419 you. 224 00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:55,950 Nori Jabba: So it could have and, you know, ultimately when I 225 00:14:55,950 --> 00:15:01,380 look back at the job that I did get during the process because I 226 00:15:01,380 --> 00:15:04,620 knew that the executive director, okay, so that's, 227 00:15:04,650 --> 00:15:07,230 Janice Porter: that's yes. But I 228 00:15:08,309 --> 00:15:12,539 Nori Jabba: reached out to her to tell her, Hey, I am job 229 00:15:12,539 --> 00:15:17,039 hunting, please hire me, it was because we had this organic 230 00:15:17,129 --> 00:15:21,479 relationship that we've had for 15 years. And she realized a 231 00:15:21,479 --> 00:15:26,009 need for her company. And she reached out to me. And then the 232 00:15:26,009 --> 00:15:30,449 job that I have now I got because of my relationships with 233 00:15:30,839 --> 00:15:33,809 the people that I was working with in my job. So the 234 00:15:33,809 --> 00:15:40,079 connections do help. But I guess the ones that I bought, that I 235 00:15:40,079 --> 00:15:45,059 could rely on to really open doors for me, that wasn't okay. 236 00:15:45,089 --> 00:15:49,439 So I think your story about your daughter is so important too, 237 00:15:49,439 --> 00:15:53,669 because you sometimes aren't aware of how these connections 238 00:15:53,669 --> 00:15:57,989 are going to help you. Right? Right. So so making sure that 239 00:15:57,989 --> 00:16:01,259 you really just think about all of these connections, and 240 00:16:01,259 --> 00:16:04,889 understand that it's great to get the word out that you're job 241 00:16:04,889 --> 00:16:10,979 hunting, you know. But, but rethinking how you use your 242 00:16:10,979 --> 00:16:15,359 contacts. And that, yeah, we can do for them, too, you know, one 243 00:16:15,359 --> 00:16:19,649 of your interviews that I listened to, with Sam, I forget 244 00:16:19,649 --> 00:16:25,799 his last name, um, Jacobs, Jacobs is is stop thinking of it 245 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:29,279 as a transaction, these relationships, you know, what 246 00:16:29,279 --> 00:16:32,459 can you do for me? What can I do for you, and if you start 247 00:16:32,459 --> 00:16:37,409 looking at it as, what can I do for you, this genuine suddenlink 248 00:16:37,409 --> 00:16:39,749 people will, other people will do things for you. 249 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:45,450 Janice Porter: So, and that's an and just to build on that I, I 250 00:16:45,450 --> 00:16:48,450 believe that. And it's also though, it's the law of 251 00:16:48,450 --> 00:16:52,650 reciprocity. And it's not necessarily, you know, I do 252 00:16:52,650 --> 00:16:55,860 something for you, and you do something for me, I do something 253 00:16:55,860 --> 00:16:59,160 for you, out of the kindness of my heart, and somebody else out 254 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,760 there does something for me, because that's how it works. It 255 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,780 doesn't necessarily come back from where it was in the first 256 00:17:06,780 --> 00:17:11,730 place. And, and I think that gets misconstrued sometimes. But 257 00:17:11,730 --> 00:17:20,160 also, was I gonna say, oh, that, I think it's important with the 258 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,030 connections that we have, and the relationships that we build, 259 00:17:24,030 --> 00:17:30,330 we have to protect our relationships. And be careful 260 00:17:30,330 --> 00:17:34,980 how we use them, right not to take advantage of them. And 261 00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:41,760 right, so for example, if I'm introducing you, the new, my new 262 00:17:41,790 --> 00:17:45,690 friend, to someone I've known for a long time, I would want to 263 00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:50,160 make sure that this person in my connection base or community 264 00:17:50,190 --> 00:17:54,330 would be okay with me, bringing someone to them. So I always 265 00:17:54,330 --> 00:17:56,760 want to make sure that that happens, I happen to know in 266 00:17:56,850 --> 00:17:59,640 these two cases, it'll be fine that we you and I talked about 267 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,350 before. But that's kind of to me, it's about protecting your 268 00:18:04,350 --> 00:18:09,450 relationships with people so that they end loving on them 269 00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:14,460 every once in a while right to keep them to keep them in your 270 00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:20,010 circle. So yeah, it's all to me, it's always about people. So 271 00:18:20,730 --> 00:18:24,450 that's, that's where I'm coming from there. So there's, I am 272 00:18:24,450 --> 00:18:27,090 curious about this. This was one of the questions you had on your 273 00:18:27,090 --> 00:18:30,030 sheet, but it's not why I'm asking it. It's because when I 274 00:18:30,030 --> 00:18:36,450 was reading your book, and each chapter begins with 100, word 275 00:18:36,540 --> 00:18:39,420 summary. Now, I was tempted 276 00:18:40,410 --> 00:18:42,990 Nori Jabba: to count the words, I have to tell you about them. 277 00:18:42,990 --> 00:18:44,160 They are exactly I 278 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,440 Janice Porter: didn't because I thought no, that's wasted my 279 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,640 time. But okay, so there you go. It is 100 words. Why did you do 280 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,440 that? I just love that whole thing. 281 00:18:52,650 --> 00:18:57,660 Nori Jabba: It's so much fun. So this really came to me through a 282 00:18:57,660 --> 00:19:02,520 friend of mine from college. His name is Grant Faulkner. And he 283 00:19:02,550 --> 00:19:07,140 is executive director of NaNoWriMo, which stands for 284 00:19:07,170 --> 00:19:11,220 National Novel Writing Month, which is an it's actually an 285 00:19:11,250 --> 00:19:15,840 international organization where you challenge yourself to write 286 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,040 a novel in one month, in it's held in the month of November, 287 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,400 and then they have other challenges throughout the year. 288 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:30,360 But it's this challenge. And he also is the editor of the 100 289 00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:34,890 word story, which is a book that comes out every year, and 290 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:40,800 everybody submits their 100 word story. And I talked to him about 291 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,550 this. And I just started doing this as an exercise for fun. 292 00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:48,870 It's almost like writing a poem or trying to write a short story 293 00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:52,530 or if you're if you're a journal or you can try to capture your 294 00:19:52,530 --> 00:19:58,080 thoughts. And I also would help my kids edit their papers after 295 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,320 they've written them because they had a twin A 500 word maths 296 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,100 or whatever it was trying to get it down under the limit. So I 297 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:09,150 was an English major and just enjoy the word cutting, I guess 298 00:20:09,420 --> 00:20:14,160 I'm quite nervous. So I started doing these 100 word summaries 299 00:20:14,190 --> 00:20:19,380 as a way to really capture each the essence of what I was trying 300 00:20:19,380 --> 00:20:25,710 to show and share with every single chapter. And it's, it's a 301 00:20:25,710 --> 00:20:29,430 fun game, it's a fun challenge. And it makes you realize how 302 00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:34,650 important every single word really is. And so I use this 303 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,670 method a lot in my writing to try to wait, you know, if I'm 304 00:20:38,670 --> 00:20:42,540 writing a policy, what am I trying to say? Captured in 100 305 00:20:42,540 --> 00:20:45,750 words? And then you do, you can do with less than 100 words, but 306 00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:50,310 I prefer to do exactly what, okay, there you go, just for the 307 00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:55,020 fun of it, because it is such a challenge to capture the essence 308 00:20:55,020 --> 00:20:59,310 in exactly 100 words. So there's a summary of each, at the 309 00:20:59,310 --> 00:21:03,120 beginning of each chapter, count them, they are exactly 100 310 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:03,600 words. 311 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:09,540 Janice Porter: I love it. And then I am also curious as to how 312 00:21:09,540 --> 00:21:13,860 you came up with the, you know, the metaphor of the table, 313 00:21:13,860 --> 00:21:18,240 because as, as it's shown throughout the story, there's so 314 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,870 many different places and ways to use it. But I'm curious how 315 00:21:21,870 --> 00:21:22,770 you came up with that. 316 00:21:22,980 --> 00:21:26,850 Nori Jabba: So I was actually at a women's leadership conference, 317 00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:30,570 it was a one day conference, and one of the speakers was talking 318 00:21:30,570 --> 00:21:33,870 about keeping your seat at the table or getting your seat at 319 00:21:33,870 --> 00:21:38,280 the table and how women need to have that seat at the table. And 320 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:44,250 I just started brainstorming about how fun that word is, and 321 00:21:44,250 --> 00:21:48,570 how we use it. And there's just so much you can do with that. 322 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,590 And my chapters in the book are all about, you know, the 323 00:21:52,590 --> 00:21:56,850 metaphor of the table, and how we use it, you know, don't get 324 00:21:56,850 --> 00:22:01,740 pulled under the table, on the table. And, and I think it's 325 00:22:01,740 --> 00:22:07,290 time to think of it in a broader way. And when I was doing my job 326 00:22:07,290 --> 00:22:11,610 hunt, that was the message that came through to me loud and 327 00:22:11,610 --> 00:22:16,440 clear with my journey is that the table was so much more than 328 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,860 just having a seat at the corporate table of success and 329 00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:23,610 what's image we have the table. And you know, it's it's 330 00:22:23,820 --> 00:22:28,980 essential to humanity. The table is where we love where we learn, 331 00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:32,400 where we ask hard questions, and have tough conversations where 332 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:38,490 we socialize and nourish ourselves and our souls. And so 333 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,960 why am I just so stuck on having a seat at this corporate table? 334 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:50,250 So I really use the journey to re to shift my view of success 335 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:55,140 and view of the table to be much more about life fulfillment, 336 00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:58,620 rather than just a corporate seat at the table and feeling 337 00:22:58,620 --> 00:22:59,580 like I'd made it. 338 00:23:00,810 --> 00:23:03,150 Janice Porter: Yeah, that's awesome. You and you share a lot 339 00:23:03,150 --> 00:23:06,420 of things in this book about, you know, being a mom and, and 340 00:23:06,420 --> 00:23:11,550 dealing with clutter and seeing that have come from, from your 341 00:23:11,550 --> 00:23:14,820 family and things like that. One of the chapters is called Don't 342 00:23:14,820 --> 00:23:19,050 table yourself, chapter five, and it's about staying relevant. 343 00:23:19,410 --> 00:23:25,440 And and we talked just briefly earlier about, you know, older 344 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,770 women, perhaps not listening well, and things like that, but 345 00:23:28,770 --> 00:23:32,730 we need to stay relevant. How are you staying relevant? 346 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,200 Nori Jabba: Well, so in writing this book, I realized I have so 347 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:42,570 much I need to learn. And we have to stay on top of things, 348 00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:47,370 you have to know the current technology. And as we get older, 349 00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:51,300 it's more and more overwhelmed. There's more. And you know, we 350 00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:56,550 weren't born with AI, with watches on our risks that lead 351 00:23:56,550 --> 00:24:01,080 us to the world. We were born in a different time. And I watched 352 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:06,120 my mom, and seniors who are literally left behind and 353 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:11,610 isolated because they can't use a smartphone to call an Uber. Or 354 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:16,410 it's just, it's just too hard for them to do it. And sometimes 355 00:24:16,410 --> 00:24:20,220 I've been in meetings and I've heard an older person say, Oh, 356 00:24:20,220 --> 00:24:26,670 I'm way too old for that. And I realized, yes, you are. So I am 357 00:24:26,670 --> 00:24:30,480 not going to be that person. I need to stay on top of it all 358 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,380 and learn everything and not be intimidated or overwhelmed by 359 00:24:34,380 --> 00:24:38,850 it. And so you know, I rely on younger people to help me learn 360 00:24:38,850 --> 00:24:43,170 that and make sure that I know all the current technology that 361 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,070 that is relevant for my job, you know, just being able to say I'm 362 00:24:47,070 --> 00:24:51,330 going to take that course or I'm going to learn about go on 363 00:24:51,330 --> 00:24:54,390 LinkedIn learning. LinkedIn learning is incredible what they 364 00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:58,530 have all these courses that you can take. And as part of the 365 00:24:58,530 --> 00:25:01,710 book, I did research on resources for learning new 366 00:25:01,710 --> 00:25:05,760 skills. And I went to nobleworks, which is the job 367 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,330 training center in our metropolitan area here. But 368 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:13,410 every in the US and probably in Canada, too. All of the 369 00:25:13,410 --> 00:25:16,320 metropolitans have these job training centers, and they're 370 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,990 free, and you can go and they will help you assess your 371 00:25:18,990 --> 00:25:22,350 skills, and figure out what you need to learn. And they will 372 00:25:22,350 --> 00:25:28,230 help you get those skills. So as an older woman in the workplace, 373 00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:31,740 middle aged, I don't like to be called older, but know this for 374 00:25:31,740 --> 00:25:36,120 sure. We need to make sure we stay on top and learn all these 375 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:39,540 new things. So always staying open to learning new things, and 376 00:25:39,540 --> 00:25:42,900 not being intimidated is really, really important. And that's why 377 00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:45,870 having younger people at your table is important too, because 378 00:25:46,590 --> 00:25:50,430 they show you the way or teach you a new thing. How often have 379 00:25:50,430 --> 00:25:55,890 I been at work, and somebody needed help with Excel? And I 380 00:25:55,890 --> 00:25:58,290 said, Oh, you just do it this way. And I'd sit down and show 381 00:25:58,290 --> 00:26:03,180 them or they would do the same for me. I learned how to how to 382 00:26:03,180 --> 00:26:07,860 change these page breaks that I couldn't get rid of in Word by 383 00:26:07,860 --> 00:26:09,810 watching a YouTube video on it. 384 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,240 Janice Porter: Yeah. My 12 year old, right. 385 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,650 Nori Jabba: You've just got to keep learning to stay. 386 00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:19,260 Janice Porter: Well, yeah, it's so true. But it's funny, you 387 00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:23,070 know, when you said old were, you know, I'm older than you. 388 00:26:23,070 --> 00:26:27,420 But I don't consider myself old. Anyone just getting started? 389 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,250 Yeah, so but when I see, like, over the last couple of days on 390 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:39,150 CNN, two very smart, very old people kind of lose it on in 391 00:26:39,150 --> 00:26:43,380 front of, you know, the the world. That's scary, because 392 00:26:43,380 --> 00:26:46,770 they didn't know when to stop and move away. I think 393 00:26:46,770 --> 00:26:51,780 especially Dianne Feinstein, that was pretty scary. Yeah. And 394 00:26:51,810 --> 00:26:55,290 well, and Mitch McConnell, but, you know, you just, I mean, 395 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,640 they're brilliant people, but they've gone past, you know, 396 00:26:59,670 --> 00:27:02,760 they're, well, we won't get into politics, because I know there's 397 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,950 more to that story as well. Right? 398 00:27:06,270 --> 00:27:10,620 Nori Jabba: When you know, as we age, and if you are going to be 399 00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:15,030 working into your 80s like those two, you better know what's 400 00:27:15,030 --> 00:27:20,730 going on in the world and know the new technology, and be able 401 00:27:20,730 --> 00:27:24,990 to use the communication systems that people use in this day and 402 00:27:24,990 --> 00:27:29,640 age. You know, I, I don't want to tweet, but I am learning now. 403 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,470 It's called x. Learning how to do it and trying to embrace it 404 00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:39,780 because that's what authors use. Okay, my daughter told me, Mom, 405 00:27:39,780 --> 00:27:43,380 you got to do a video on tick tock, tick tock has this book 406 00:27:43,380 --> 00:27:48,810 talk channel. All the authors are using so I am learning how 407 00:27:48,810 --> 00:27:49,620 to do that. Isn't 408 00:27:49,620 --> 00:27:51,960 Janice Porter: that interesting? Because that I didn't know. So. 409 00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:56,730 So how did your daughter know that? Like, is she into the same 410 00:27:56,730 --> 00:27:59,460 world as you? I know, she's into Tik Tok, obviously, but how did 411 00:27:59,460 --> 00:27:59,670 she 412 00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:03,660 Nori Jabba: not at all I mean, every young person in there, I 413 00:28:03,660 --> 00:28:06,510 have three daughters in their 20s. And they know all of this. 414 00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:12,390 It's just you're born with it. But no, I, this particular 415 00:28:12,390 --> 00:28:17,370 daughter works in launching people in their music careers. 416 00:28:17,370 --> 00:28:21,840 So she knows how to do that. Sure, of course, is of course 417 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,340 very important, or asking her for years. Yeah, definitely. 418 00:28:26,490 --> 00:28:31,530 Interesting. So we discovered 419 00:28:31,530 --> 00:28:33,480 Janice Porter: something about this. But I want to ask you 420 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,390 about this, your career path has been what you described as 421 00:28:36,390 --> 00:28:39,750 squiggly lines instead of an upward arrow pointing to 422 00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:43,080 success, and you express how important it is to make peace 423 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,350 with your journey. So we discovered that that term was 424 00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:49,110 something I recognized was someone who had been a guest on 425 00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:53,400 my podcast a few years ago, actually. But so what did that 426 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,580 mean to you? And can you tell us a little bit more about that? 427 00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:57,000 First, I 428 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,520 Nori Jabba: can't wait to read her book. Angela, can Lyons book 429 00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:09,240 your soul sisters? For sure. Yeah, I mean, I, I got a 430 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:15,270 master's degree two years out of undergrad and had this had this 431 00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:20,220 path for myself mapped out and it was an arrow going straight 432 00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:25,650 up. You know, I moved up quickly and had this wonderful job. And 433 00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:30,810 I really thought I was going to be in the C suite. That's what I 434 00:29:30,810 --> 00:29:37,650 had envisioned for myself. And it didn't have that. And it's 435 00:29:37,650 --> 00:29:42,870 okay. It's okay. But it took me until now, to make peace with 436 00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:46,500 the fact that it didn't happen. And I made the conscious choice 437 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,520 not to make it happen when I tabled the job, the company that 438 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,520 I was going to start, and you know, I've had my consulting 439 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,030 business and been called myself president for 10 years or more. 440 00:29:57,330 --> 00:30:00,840 And so I've had that but it's not the same as Starting a 441 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:07,080 company of large company, but having a squiggly lines career 442 00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:13,650 has given me a richness and opportunities and opened new 443 00:30:13,650 --> 00:30:18,690 doors for me that I never would have had, if I just kept on that 444 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,130 arrow and continued on my corporate career path. And I 445 00:30:23,130 --> 00:30:26,670 didn't, because I wanted to be home with my kids. And it was, 446 00:30:26,790 --> 00:30:31,020 frankly, just too hard. I had an hour and 20 minutes each way 447 00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:36,210 commute. And with two babies, yeah, that is really, really 448 00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:40,890 hard. And you know, kids get ear infections. And you have to, we 449 00:30:40,890 --> 00:30:46,470 would have 3am conversations with quotes, more like fights 450 00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:50,580 over whose job was more important and who we could not, 451 00:30:50,850 --> 00:30:53,460 who could miss work the next day to stay home with kid and that 452 00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:57,270 was before remote work was really a possibility. And so 453 00:30:57,270 --> 00:31:03,450 thank goodness, the worlds has adjusted. And we can be parents 454 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,320 and deal with aging parents. And you know, now I have to take my 455 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,460 mom to the doctor a lot and take time off to do that. But the 456 00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:16,140 world has changed. But the squiggly lines, it was really 457 00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:20,700 hard for me to accept that I didn't do what I set out to do 458 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,680 when I was in my 20s. And is it too late? And so the book is 459 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,720 really about shifting my view of success and really making peace 460 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,440 with those wonderfully squiggly lines with squiggly line, a 461 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,950 curvy line is so much more interesting than a straight 462 00:31:37,950 --> 00:31:40,020 line. Yes, of course, of course, 463 00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:43,410 Janice Porter: I think to have launched three daughters who I 464 00:31:43,410 --> 00:31:48,990 know had busy, high school careers and in sports and music 465 00:31:48,990 --> 00:31:51,390 or whatever. Like there's always there was always one going 466 00:31:51,390 --> 00:31:54,420 somewhere, right? Or three are all going in three different 467 00:31:54,420 --> 00:31:59,250 directions. So to be able to say, hey, you know, they turned 468 00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:02,880 out okay, I think is they turned out any wonderful. 469 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,660 Nori Jabba: Yeah. So because of all of them. And yeah, but those 470 00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:11,160 squiggly lines for me. And I'm still making peace with it. 471 00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:14,160 Don't get me wrong. I've made peace. But it's a it's an 472 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:20,580 ongoing process. But yeah, it's okay. It's okay to have squiggly 473 00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:21,120 lines. 474 00:32:21,479 --> 00:32:24,119 Janice Porter: I agree. I you know, because mine didn't go the 475 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:27,059 way it was meant I thought it would go either, but it's all 476 00:32:27,059 --> 00:32:31,409 good. Okay, so coming, we're coming close to the end. And, 477 00:32:31,589 --> 00:32:38,399 and I wanted to share that I saw in here that you were an avid 478 00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:42,569 reader, and that you fell off the wagon a little bit because 479 00:32:42,569 --> 00:32:46,469 other things get in the way as they do. And I know I shared 480 00:32:46,469 --> 00:32:50,219 with you before we went on air that, you know, I love to read 481 00:32:50,219 --> 00:32:53,519 to and I'm always buying books, but they sit in a pile because, 482 00:32:53,729 --> 00:32:56,099 you know, I sit and watch something on Netflix at night 483 00:32:56,099 --> 00:32:58,499 and said, because I've been in front of a screen all day. And 484 00:32:58,499 --> 00:33:00,839 now my eyes really hurt. And I don't want to look at a book. 485 00:33:00,959 --> 00:33:03,269 But I don't want to look at it on the Kindle either. I don't 486 00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:08,069 like that. I would rather have the book. And so you have in one 487 00:33:08,069 --> 00:33:12,689 of these chapters that you that you like audiobooks, but what I 488 00:33:12,689 --> 00:33:16,199 wanted to get to was your book 489 00:33:16,229 --> 00:33:20,639 Nori Jabba: bucket list. Oh, book bucket last year? Yes. Yes, 490 00:33:20,639 --> 00:33:25,319 it's a long list. And there's pressure because you know, how 491 00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:28,529 am I going to read all of those books, but so I went to a 492 00:33:28,529 --> 00:33:32,579 liberal arts college and read for four years straight need 493 00:33:32,579 --> 00:33:37,409 glasses, because I read so much during that time. But after 494 00:33:37,409 --> 00:33:41,339 college, I couldn't touch a book for a long time. And I think 495 00:33:41,339 --> 00:33:44,699 that's very typical. We work hard in school, and we need a 496 00:33:44,699 --> 00:33:47,879 break. And if you've done anything with a lot of reading 497 00:33:47,879 --> 00:33:51,059 and college, you do need a break. And so I started reading 498 00:33:51,059 --> 00:33:55,229 again in my late 20s and 30s. But then I had kids and you know 499 00:33:55,229 --> 00:33:58,889 who has time to read when you're working and juggling a family? 500 00:33:59,069 --> 00:34:03,899 There's no way so I discovered audiobooks. And I can multitask 501 00:34:04,049 --> 00:34:08,639 and walk while I or exercise while I'm listening to podcasts 502 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,539 to audiobooks and I just love it. And I started doing this 503 00:34:12,539 --> 00:34:17,399 during COVID. And I would find that I would be excited and 504 00:34:17,399 --> 00:34:20,759 couldn't wait to get out on my walk because I couldn't put the 505 00:34:20,759 --> 00:34:26,399 book down. My very first audio book was Trevor Noah was born a 506 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:31,679 crime. I love listening to audiobooks that are narrated by 507 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,519 the author and my book is narrated by citing 508 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:38,009 Janice Porter: your version now. 509 00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:43,080 Nori Jabba: But audiobooks are a wonderful way to help. Check off 510 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,840 those bucket list books. And I can't wait to continue. You 511 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,840 know, I'd love to get out of my walks because what's the last 512 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:52,080 one 513 00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:53,039 Janice Porter: that you listen to? 514 00:34:53,789 --> 00:34:57,629 Nori Jabba: Oh my goodness. I have listened to so many will 515 00:34:57,749 --> 00:35:03,449 and my Maya So, you'll laugh my last one was how to give a TED 516 00:35:03,449 --> 00:35:09,239 talk. Oh, wow. Okay. And that was fabulous. Fabulous. And I 517 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:15,389 also recently listened to Jay Shetty his book. love science. 518 00:35:15,659 --> 00:35:17,669 That was a really good one to do when 519 00:35:17,669 --> 00:35:20,459 Janice Porter: you wrote this book you had you were just going 520 00:35:20,459 --> 00:35:24,359 to read. I love the titles. I mean, the cleverness, losing my 521 00:35:24,359 --> 00:35:27,869 virginity and finding my virginity, Richard Branson, 522 00:35:27,929 --> 00:35:31,709 Nori Jabba: right, and those who read hardcopy, okay. And he 523 00:35:31,709 --> 00:35:35,999 didn't narrate them. They do. They are actually on my list to 524 00:35:35,999 --> 00:35:41,129 do the audiobook, because those two books were probably two of 525 00:35:41,129 --> 00:35:46,289 the most inspiring books I have ever read. And Richard is just 526 00:35:46,289 --> 00:35:50,339 he is my hero. He is at my table. I hope I can meet him 527 00:35:50,339 --> 00:35:54,539 someday. Oh, wow. I really, really do. And I met these two 528 00:35:54,539 --> 00:35:59,729 women who worked for him. And they worked as misuses for him 529 00:35:59,759 --> 00:36:03,779 on Necker Island, when he went cold retreats. And they were 530 00:36:03,809 --> 00:36:07,589 they were the people that did the massage or everybody. Were 531 00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:11,249 taking breaks in their corporate retreat. I don't know what it 532 00:36:11,249 --> 00:36:15,209 was. But anyway, I felt like oh, my gosh, you, you know him. So I 533 00:36:15,209 --> 00:36:17,969 helped this connection to Richard, but I have a deep 534 00:36:17,969 --> 00:36:22,649 connection with him. I quote his, his talk with his granny 535 00:36:23,879 --> 00:36:28,799 book, and because his granny was 99. And she said, you know, the 536 00:36:28,799 --> 00:36:34,769 best years of my life. I've been in my 90s. And what a wonderful 537 00:36:34,769 --> 00:36:39,479 way to look back on your life that now as an adult woman, she 538 00:36:39,479 --> 00:36:43,859 is happier than she's ever been. I shared that with my mother. 539 00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:48,899 And she burst out laughing. I said, No, not the experience 540 00:36:48,899 --> 00:36:49,619 she's had. 541 00:36:49,889 --> 00:36:51,899 Janice Porter: So I heard someone else say that Carol 542 00:36:51,899 --> 00:36:53,339 Burnett. Oh, yeah. 543 00:36:53,549 --> 00:36:57,149 Nori Jabba: Yeah. So I asked, I aspire to be that kind of woman 544 00:36:57,149 --> 00:37:01,739 that looks at my later years as the best years of my life. So 545 00:37:02,429 --> 00:37:04,709 that was Richard who inspired me so 546 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,040 Janice Porter: so you know, I have a connection to him to Zoo. 547 00:37:08,070 --> 00:37:13,200 Yes. So a good friend of mine, Jordan Adler, who is an 548 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,150 affiliate with a company I'm with, he's an amazing network 549 00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:24,750 marketer and speaker and author. And he is on the list that he 550 00:37:24,750 --> 00:37:31,470 paid money to go to space with Richard Branson. Okay, so he's 551 00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:35,610 already gone to Necker Island a couple of times with the group 552 00:37:35,610 --> 00:37:40,680 of people that are going on this mission, when when their time 553 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,040 comes, because the first one went up with, with all the, you 554 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,360 know, just Richard. And so they're getting ready. So yeah, 555 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:53,940 so he's, and he speaks, he shares experiences at the, at 556 00:37:53,940 --> 00:37:57,270 the, at Richard's home with us about it, and it's free. It's 557 00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:57,630 fast. 558 00:37:57,630 --> 00:38:01,380 Nori Jabba: It's an amazing man. And anybody who has ever seen 559 00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:05,100 those books knows what a commitment that is, because they 560 00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:12,690 are not short books, they are very fat 150 500 pages. But 561 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,990 really, highly recommend them. But you know, what he taught me 562 00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:19,890 is that anything's possible. It just his journey of starting 563 00:38:19,890 --> 00:38:23,910 Virgin Records and how it all came together. There was no 564 00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:30,120 plan. It was just, it just happened. And he, he is the kind 565 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,690 of person that just jumps in an opportunity when it presents 566 00:38:33,690 --> 00:38:36,570 itself. And nothing's impossible to him. 567 00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:39,810 Janice Porter: Right? Doesn't he say? Doesn't he say say yes, and 568 00:38:39,810 --> 00:38:40,590 then figure it out? 569 00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:44,220 Nori Jabba: Exactly. Well, this has been 570 00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:46,800 Janice Porter: wonderful talking to you. And I'm so excited 571 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,150 because your book is fairly new. Yes, it's quite new. And you're 572 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,000 getting out there talking to people about it. And I'm sharing 573 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,880 it with people by doing this, I hope that you'll get some more 574 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:03,180 people listening and and reading your book. And I feel so blessed 575 00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:06,810 to have met you. So thank you so much for being on the podcast. 576 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,890 And maybe if you have one last pearls of wisdom for my 577 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,660 audience, that would be awesome. 578 00:39:13,770 --> 00:39:17,700 Nori Jabba: So if you want a seat at the table, remember that 579 00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:21,150 you already have it, you just helped to build out your table. 580 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,130 Thank you. 581 00:39:23,969 --> 00:39:26,849 Janice Porter: Thank you, and thank you to my audience, for 582 00:39:26,849 --> 00:39:31,469 being here. And if you liked what you heard, please leave a 583 00:39:31,469 --> 00:39:36,269 review Oh, and in the shownotes I will put the information for 584 00:39:36,269 --> 00:39:40,379 where you can find Nori and find her book so that you can read it 585 00:39:40,379 --> 00:39:41,069 too. And 586 00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:44,220 Nori Jabba: I have a website for the book. It's called Keeping 587 00:39:44,220 --> 00:39:50,130 your seat.com books on Amazon as well. And I'm on LinkedIn, Nori, 588 00:39:50,130 --> 00:39:54,510 Java and the only one in the world. And I hope to hear from 589 00:39:54,510 --> 00:39:59,190 some of your listeners. Amazing thank you so much. Thank you 590 00:39:59,190 --> 00:40:02,040 ever to to stay connected and be remembered