Patrick Evans, Host: [00:00:00] We are back here at the wonderful and highly coveted corner booth at Skip Paige’s Little Bar in Palm Desert, California for another edition of Big Conversations, Little Bar with my spiritual guru, my financial advisor,.

Randy Florence: and you are so screwed in in my ...If you're depending on either one of those things for me, you are screwed.

Patrick Evans, Host: No. When you told me you had transition to a plant-based diet, uh, I've decided that maybe you're not my advisor.

Randy Florence: Oh, okay. I thought it was the transition word that bother you, but it was, it was the plant-based diet.

Patrick Evans, Host: No, no. I would support any transition you wish to make.

Randy. Oh, boy. Thank you.

Randy Florence: Oh boy. I'm gonna become Patrick Evans.

Patrick Evans, Host: No, it's already taken and you don't trust me. No, people have stolen my identity and then given it back, it's not not good.

Randy Florence: My son asked me if he was adopted. I said, yeah, but they returned him. So we have that's, we had to raise him. We glad.

Patrick Evans, Host: Anyway, we wanna give a shout out to our good friends in the McCallum Theater. They're presenting sponsor of Big [00:01:00] Conversations Little Bar. And I encourage you right now that the new season is on sale. It is available to you at mccallumtheater.org, and they've added a whole bunch of brand new stuff. But your favorites, like pink martini, are gonna be returning as well.

So you're gonna get the ones that you love and some things that you will love, though you may not have, uh, experienced them previously. So check it out again. McCallum theater.org. Randy, what's new with you? Anything exciting? I mean, I did mention you're doing this plant-based thing.

Randy Florence: Yeah. I don't know how exciting that is, but big

Patrick Evans, Host: into tofu.

Randy Florence: Not yet. Not yet. That's the one thing I have not working on it dipped my toe into is tofu.

Patrick Evans, Host: Well, I will tell you, since I had the heart attack of the stents put in. I really changed my diet, not, it's not plant-based. Yeah, well that's not true. 'cause cows are made out of grass. That's what they eat. So they are plant-based as well.

Yeah. So I still enjoy a burger from time to time. It, since...

Randy Florence: since I lost a lung, I quit my cut my smoking in half. So.

Patrick Evans, Host: [00:02:00] Alright. Without further adieu, our guest today and you, you've appeared in a movie with Steve, correct?

Randy Florence: No, but I appeared in a movie because of Steve.

Patrick Evans, Host: Because of Steve. Steve Ciceron is here and, uh, did I say that correctly?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Ciceron. It's okay.

Patrick Evans, Host: What, what should it be, Ciceron ?

Randy Florence: When the guest says, that's okay.

Patrick Evans, Host: Yeah. Close enough.

Maybe while to get the real name close. You know, one time Benedict Cumberbatch got really mad at me. Yeah. Really? On the air for mispronouncing his name.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Oh, wow.

Randy Florence: Worse than Kieran.

Patrick Evans, Host: Oh, worse than Kieran. No way. No, not, not as bad as, as as Kieran Culkin.

Randy Florence: Kieran Culkin. He was kind of a dick that night.

Patrick Evans, Host: From your lips to God's ears. He was completely, but it wasn't just to me, it was to everybody. No, I said accidentally Benedict.

Randy Florence: This is, this is gonna go really good, Steve. It's interesting. Yeah, it's been great. But,

Patrick Evans, Host: but so far, far Steve is not as upset. No. Has Benedict

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Cumberbatch

Patrick Evans, Host: All my life

Steven Ciceron, Guest: people have mispronounced my name it, they spell it incorrectly too.

The first name, they spelling [00:03:00] correctly. It's a nice Italian name.

Patrick Evans, Host: People should get this correct?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah, it’s French.

Patrick Evans, Host: It's French. That's why I didn't get it right. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Steve Cran is here. Yes. And, uh, you are one of the most prolific working actors that you call the Valley Home, but you're all over the place.

Yeah. You do so much stuff.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: I like to think that I'm, I get a lot of work and I, and I do, I'm what you call a real working actor, not a celebrity, but a working actor.

Patrick Evans, Host: But you're very, very versatile. You'll do. Y you do such different roles. Yeah. And you know, I think sometimes, like, uh, you, you, you were kind of leaning into horror for a little bit.

Mm-hmm. And you transition right outta that. And you do comedy and you've been doing, uh, I know you did the, the, uh, what, uh, hop alongs to Oh, right. That was a comedy, a bit of a, so velocity work. Yes.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: That's very true. I think originally I started in theater. My heart is in theater. But rehearsal time, it takes a lot of time and it conflicts with, um.

You know, film. And so I started [00:04:00] with the roles basically like, um, the old Donna Reed or Doris Day type thing. We became you brother lawyer, uh, doctor type of roles. And then I needed something more challenging, so I got into some Dr. More drama, uh, you know, crying roles and horror. Which I like, 'cause I like playing a welcoming guy with a sinister in gender 'cause it's so far from me and And horror

Randy Florence: is huge right now.

It's big. No, you're one of the nicest human beings. It's big. And thank

Steven Ciceron, Guest: you for that. And I laugh a lot and have a good time. So for me, if I can be convincing in an evil way, that's challenging and that means I succeeded. So I like that. And then I dabbled in comedy now too and found that enjoyable bone. So I like to do a little bit of everything.

Any

Randy Florence: preference or you just like to work?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: I think that's probably the bottom line. Yeah. I think my preference is actually the horror. I, I, I do. Although comedy's difficult and I like to be challenged all the time, comedy's difficult. Your timing has to be right and your improv has to be right and has to match.

And, um, but more challenging for me is the horror.

Randy Florence: Well, I want to get, [00:05:00] I wanna go all the way back. Prior to you being a clinical psychologist and getting your graduate degree at uv, A-U-V-A-U-V-A.

Patrick Evans, Host: Yeah.

Randy Florence: You guys have something in common? We're

Patrick Evans, Host: both Cavaliers. Yeah. He has a graduate degree, but I do not. But you're still a cavalier.

Randy Florence: Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. It still

Patrick Evans, Host: count. It does count.

Randy Florence: Where, where were you born? Born and raised.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: So, um, New York City, um, basically, and, um, there for quite a few years. Uh, got married in Philadelphia. And then came out to la, didn't like LA and then moved to Palm Springs.

Randy Florence: And did you come out to LA for acting?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Um, yeah, basically. 'cause I was doing, I was a psychologist for a little while and then I decided that I was getting too sensitive to that, uh, you know, hearing a lot of the problems and some people not wanting to help themselves and work with themselves and not taking their medications. So I felt really bad for them.

And since I had a double major in College of Theater and Psychology. I figured maybe the psychology could help me and it sure did. Where did you do your [00:06:00] undergraduate work? Uh, Wagner College on Staten Island, New York, which is actually a theater school with a view of New York City.

Randy Florence: You know, it's interesting, you, you are not the first actor on the podcast that has majored in psychology or sociology.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Oh, darn. I thought I was different.

Randy Florence: Well, you are. Yeah. I, I don't want to take that away from you, but what do you think is, you don't have to say it like that. What, what you are, right? Wow. Oh, you are. Yeah. You're one of those. Is is there something about that That, is it the understanding human nature?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah.

Think it's probably different for each person depending on what they study, but I think, um, you know, the patience, the internships that I've done, it gives you an understanding of the human nature, the human condition, and then you can understand characters better. And especially then blend that with the different types of acting techniques.

I think I can portray a character, um. Pretty good. You get pretty deep inside the character? I think so, yeah. Wow. And that's my goal. You make, you know, bring the richness and the fullness to a [00:07:00] character, whether or not they are a good character or a bad character, and be able to bring it to life for everybody.

Randy Florence: Did you come from a big family?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: I did Five kids. Yeah. I don't think that happens anymore.

Randy Florence: Any, anybody

Steven Ciceron, Guest: else take the same path that you took? No. Complete opposite. I'm, they're all shy. I'm, I'm like so outgoing, so completely different from all of them. They can't have me around 'cause I'll talk to anybody.

Randy Florence: Was the family supportive of the direction that you started going? Yeah, my dad

Steven Ciceron, Guest: liked me in, in the psychology, not, not so much the acting. Yeah. Yeah. How long did you practice as a psychologist? About six years. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So a while I really tried 'cause I do like helping people. But did you just find at the end of the day you just.

Yeah. And then you go home, see wife and kids, and you hear more, more complaining and, and more, you know, this, that, so I need a psychologist. Okay, that's enough. I'm getting it 24 hours a day. I gotta, I gotta go back into, uh, theater, which I started with and then filmed.

Randy Florence: Theater. Um, when you came back to la was that the first thing you got involved in?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah. [00:08:00] Theater again. Um, but I had already dabbled a little bit in film in New York and I did off Broadway in, in New York, and so it was that and some film, but really hadn't hit it hard yet. And then, um, when I got to LA I did more theater and then, um, got into film really big, but my intention was to get more into film.

Randy Florence: When was the moment that you kind of knew. I, I, I'm good at this and I can get jobs. This is what I want to do with the rest of my life. You know, I think,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: I don't think I'm ever good at it, and I, and I don't think I ever wanna be so overly confident that, um. I'm gonna get, you know, smug about something and that's why I continue to do acting classes.

I think an actor should never stop and be still because you can get too comfortable with yourself and then your acting is not as organic. So, um, I don't think, like Viola Davis once said they, I think they call it imposter syndrome. Have you ever heard of Oh yeah, sure, sure. So I think it's a little bit of that.

I may have that. I just, I go, oh my God, I, I got it. I went to a festival. I get a best actor award. Did they make a [00:09:00] mistake? Do they really want me? Um, but that keeps me on my toes anyway.

Randy Florence: You know, it's funny, I, I was telling somebody this story on when, when we did the movie Perfect. Yeah. Piece with, and, and he was so good.

Thank you again for your help on that. Just so I can, full disclosure here, um, Steven was the casting director. And I didn't know what was going on 'cause this was my first time. So I did my audition, I sent it in and Steve calls and says, Hey, good job. Hang in there. And a month later Steve's going, Hey, good job.

Hang in there. And I'm thinking. Good. Good. And he's apologizing. I'm sorry, this is taking so long. It did take too long. And I told him, I said, this is my first time. I just assumed everything went like this. That's the way you didn't get mad at me. I couldn't be too upset about it, but thank you for supporting me so much in that one.

But one of the things that that came out of, um. Perfect. And I've completely lost my story now 'cause I was so enthralled with Steven being my casting director. Well, that was fantastic. Where was I going with You're over [00:10:00] 40

Steven Ciceron, Guest: now, so that happens, right?

Randy Florence: I'm way over 40. Yeah. Hmm. He's over

Patrick Evans, Host: 40 twice.

Randy Florence: Oh, I know what it was.

It was about, it was about the early paranoia of being an actor. Um, so the first. Day they're doing all the shooting and everything, and I didn't really have anything on the call sheet for the first day, right? I was just supposed to be there, watch next to the actors and being something for them to look at.

But I, they did have me say my lines, but a couple of times I'd say to the director was that, was that okay? Should I have done it like this? And each time he said. Or she said, don't worry about it. We're filming you tomorrow morning. I'm like,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: oh, okay. That's often the case.

Randy Florence: So I get back the next morning, I'm all dressed up, I'm ready.

And they never call me. And they never call me, and they never call me. And all of a sudden we're rapping and I went home and I. Told my wife, she goes, well, what do you think? I go, maybe I got cut out of the movie. I don't know. You were, I don't know why they didn't [00:11:00] film me that second day, but it turned out that whatever I did on the first day, they kept, they liked it enough and they kept it.

Yeah.

Patrick Evans, Host: Well, was it better not knowing coming? Good question. Uh, I mean, like, would you have been more nervous to say, I'm, I'm looking for the picture I have of you in the movie?

Randy Florence: No, I, I. I can't say that it was better not knowing. Maybe they just wanted you for your nostril hair. Well, they got a lot of that.

As a matter of fact, if there is going to be a SAG award for me, it's going to be most nostril hair.

Patrick Evans, Host: Uh, I I'm still looking for the picture. I know. I have a picture of you on scr. Ah, there it is. Ladies and gentlemen.

Randy Florence: We're, we're glad to have you here so we can talk about my movie career. Look at that. Whoa.

That's

Steven Ciceron, Guest: confidence.

Randy Florence: Those are big

Steven Ciceron, Guest: nostrils. Send that. No. Oh, I'll send you that. You head, head very confident. Yeah.

Patrick Evans, Host: Well, thank you. But you know what I, what I was impressed by was because you're a very, uh, jovial, [00:12:00] kind of fun guy. I think so. And this character wasn't that He was frustrated. He was frustrated and, and he was a little angry and he was kind of not, not really super nice and I thought.

I mean, I, I think the essence of acting is to be able to not be yourself. Right. And you did it like on your first tryout in the audition. He did. Well, thank you. Yeah. It showed in

Steven Ciceron, Guest: the audition.

Patrick Evans, Host: Now, how much work do you do, like with actors who are doing auditions and that sort of thing? Do you do a lot of casting work?

I do. I do.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Casting a lot. Not so much, uh, being a director or a producer. My portfolio is growing that way too, but I do casting too. A little extra money. Yeah. I enjoy it too, because I get to watch what they're doing and sort of know what they're doing wrong, but really, I'm not supposed to tell them what they're doing wrong, but I can see it.

Randy Florence: Well, I know what it was like for me. What was it like for you, your first time on a movie set and I, and I'm guessing it wasn't in a, uh, cafe at a retirement home in Palm Desert?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: No, and I've done some TV too. Um. I, I, I think well [00:13:00] film, I don't get nervous at all for film, um, theater, more so because you just, it's not all dependent on yourself.

You're dependent also on the other actor. So if the other actor makes a mistake and jumps two pages, then it's up to you to think, well, should I take it from there and can I remember it from there? 'cause I had gotten no clue, or how can I bring it back and then not throw off the other act? So it's a, um, so, and that's all going on in your mind while, while you're supposed to be talking.

It's amazing what goes on in your, in your mind with. Film with theater, but with film. Um, so I just wasn't nervous. I just felt really comfortable. I just wanted to keep my technique going and wanted to take more acting classes.

Randy Florence: Did you get over the, the nerves early on or do you still feel that all the time?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: I feel it on film. Like I'm in, I'm filming something right now that's called Murder Tango, and I can tap dance and I can do some dance. 'cause I've trained in singing, dance and, and acting like, you know, maybe. I don't know if some people called it a triple threat, but I don't think so. But, um, future Egon Award, right when I grow up, right.[00:14:00]

Um, I had to do a, a tango and learn a tango and the choreography and everything. And once you hit 40, uh, choreography becomes more difficult. The younger guys, they're there and, um, choreographer will show them some choreography and they say, got it. And I'll say, can you show it to me one more time? Okay. Uh, another time.

And one more please. So, um, I was nervous about doing the dance, but it really came out good and I'm really pleased with myself. So yeah, you still, things like that that I'm not real comfortable with.

Randy Florence: When was the first time you saw your name on a movie? Credit.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Oh my God, I don't even know if I remember the movie.

Um, I think it was, um, a movie called, therefore I Am, and it was, I played a psychologist who, right, right. I can go because I know really typecasting, but I think they fell in love with the idea that I knew what all the medications for and I could pronounce them anyway. And

Randy Florence: you might be able to bring some to set, right?

Maybe. So

Steven Ciceron, Guest: some of the pretty good stuff. So, um, that was the first time that was really exci, uh, really exciting because I played a psychologist. [00:15:00] The woman was a schizophrenic and she was going through different things and it actually was really able to draw on my experiences, which an actor should, if they can.

Randy Florence: And were you at the point where that was, that was pretty cool. Yeah. Seeing your name up there, I mean, my God.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah. That's, that never really stops in a way. Yeah. Um, I do, I'm a little vain. I do like seeing. Self on big screen. It's just really neat, you know, wanna go out and Is that really me? What's your favorite work so far?

Um, stuff that I've done. You mean theater commercials or anything? What I like best? Anything? Um, well, I, I think I've injured, I have, um, two seasons of, uh, always here was a dark comedy and I have that on, um, it's on, what do you call Prime? Amazon Prime Uhhuh. And that was a really difficult role to play because I played a man.

Who was sort of, he was a child. There was a child inside him, and he was constantly had to go from different ranges of emotions, from anger to crying, to sad, to [00:16:00] happy, and he had to please three different women. Uh, his sister, his mother, and his girlfriend, which was 20 years older than him. And so to be able to go back and forth and, and, and do that, like from zero to 60 miles an hour, that was probably, that was something for me.

Was

Randy Florence: that the most challenging role? Yeah, that was

Steven Ciceron, Guest: pretty challenging. And I do like to be challenged.

Randy Florence: So after a role like that, obviously you had to put a lot into that, to all the different emotions and everything. Is there a

Steven Ciceron, Guest: recovery period for you afterwards? It depends on how much you rely on method acting.

Um, and how much do you rely on Method Act? So probably 50%. And I do other techniques. That's a good question. 'cause you have somebody, uh, method acting, you really immerse yourself completely and you kind of have to live the character right? 24 hours a day. Yeah. And so, like for instance, Jared, uh, Leto and, uh, Christian Bale, two very tough actors.

Um, they, the other actors who work with them. They don't like working with them because for instance, um, Jared, when he did, I think it was Suicide Squad. Yeah. And [00:17:00] he was the joker. Yeah. He basically sent gifts and, um, not so nice things to some of the fellow actors, like even poop in the mail. And they did not like he was pretending to be this horrible.

Character, despicable character. So he took it to the nines. Yeah. Um, but I like to mix it, uh, that way. Like a lot of, like Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, um, Tom Cruise, they all do like maybe 50% method acting. And then there are other acting techniques. And I also draw on my psychology experience. What are

Patrick Evans, Host: the other acting techniques that you.

Uh, drawn aside from method acting

Steven Ciceron, Guest: mainly I go from just method acting and my, um, organic ability to keep my psychology and bring that in. Research, research the character. And I like to bring in, um, the human condition and everything I've learned in psychology and I find that works best for me.

Randy Florence: I would think that'd be pretty important.

Patrick Evans, Host: The worst place for me. It must really give you an incredible leg up because so much of acting is being able to let go of your [00:18:00] own traits. Oh yeah. And adopt, yeah. These other traits. And as a psych in your business, uh, you see so much of the human condition. You know, and, and so much range. Oh yeah. You're exposed to so much.

So it gives you an opportunity to borrow. I mean, you must probably, I'm sure your parents, your, your patients wouldn't appreciate it, but I bet you steal from them sometimes. I recognize that guy. There's, there's been a lot of

Steven Ciceron, Guest: situations I wouldn't want to, I mean, I had, I wasn't in a movie like this, but I had one patient, um, in my internship, um, back at UVA and, um, it was a woman and she came up to me and she said, um.

She said, I think I have cervical cancer. And she opened up her legs. She was a skirt and she had no underwear on. It's like a Sharon Stone type of a thing. And so I said, you know, I wonder if I'm ever gonna be able to use that, that Does it look like it to you? Yeah. Really? I said, I'm not that kind of a doctor, so you might want to, you know.

Uh, close, close things up here. Everything I'm working on with closure is from the neck up, so 10

Randy Florence: minutes, 10 minutes [00:19:00] later, he was like, no, I don't think so. We're gonna stop this now. Wow.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah. Which gets into other things. I mean, as an actor you get a lot of people that send you pictures, males, men and women, and they send you pictures that really they shouldn't be sending to you.

Randy Florence: Is there any role that, I'm sorry about that. Yeah, no, and it was just a headshot. Is,

Patrick Evans, Host: is there. Is there any? Only the only, the only dick pic I've ever sent is a picture of Richard Nixon. That's a, that's pretty good. I never that before. That is good. I like that one. I may steal that. That's pretty good.

Randy Florence: Is there, is there any role that you've gone into and you've, you've read the script and you've thought, this is gonna be hard

Steven Ciceron, Guest: or maybe that I wasn't right for it.

My age, I have three agents. I have one in London. I have, um, one in LA and I have a, um, a manager in LA and I was given to go to an audition and when I got there. I mean, I'm like every bit of like five eight to five nine, like 1 55 pounds. I've been that for years. [00:20:00] And all the guys were like six two and really big.

And I had thought that it was about a, a football game, but I thought that I was gonna be playing, but it was a football player. And I'm thinking to myself, I am. I didn't get the role, but I thought, I mean these guys were like good looking and big, huge, and I'm saying what? You know, so that's something that I was not.

Not good for, but that was that one where

Randy Florence: you had to talk to your agent and go, Hey, I what Sam? I

Steven Ciceron, Guest: thought that you could fit in, you could do it and everything. I think that sometimes an agent will just send you on something if they think they can maybe make some money off you.

Patrick Evans, Host: Right. Is it like they have an idea of what this world is gonna Yeah, and I don't like my time.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: 'cause you gotta memorize lines sometimes it's the last minute and they've been treating actors pretty poorly with, it's a little, it's changed a little bit now, but. They treat them pretty badly and you to memorize the lines and the next day you produce that and you have to, I do have a good memory, but it's

Patrick Evans, Host: tough.

And every audition, I mean, like if you're going to an audition where, you know, you don't stand a chance, you're missing an audition where you do. Exactly. It's, it's tough. Uh, so I mean, how, how difficult is it for you, you know, you have a manager and two [00:21:00] agents, uh, and, and all of their jobs are to make money off of you.

Um, so they must be pitching a lot. I mean, you must. Yeah, I'm

Steven Ciceron, Guest: busy and, and I sometimes have to say, you have to stop the auditions now because I want to have a personal life too. And, um, it's, it's tough. But yeah, I, I go on a lot of auditions and I probably get like 50% of them, which is really good. That's really incredibly high.

I average really lucky that put

Patrick Evans, Host: you in the Hall of Fame at the audition Hall of Fame. Yeah. No, that's, that's amazing. But sometimes I have

Steven Ciceron, Guest: to say, I really need to go on hold for a little while because then some of the movies, you, I mean, if they all come through. Then you gotta juggle that and the directors get mad at you because you're not available and you promised it to them.

And if you signed a contract, I've been sued before. Really? Yeah. Oh. 'cause you couldn't do the mm-hmm. You're like, I'm sorry. My schedule doesn't work out. I Exactly. Especially that's why I'm not really doing as much theater right now. 'cause you, you know, go through theater and that's a big commitment. And a nice film or TV show comes.

Tell me about the

Patrick Evans, Host: TV that you've done.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: So, um, I'm not a [00:22:00] celebrity, so I've had some small digs on, um, do no Harm, which was a sort of small

Randy Florence: digs. You said small digs. I just wanted to make sure that, yeah. Make sure I pronounce this. Yes. I wasn't sure what kind of roles he was trying out for. I do lots of accents

Steven Ciceron, Guest: and make sure the wrong accent didn't come out there.

Um, so do no harm. He was a psychotic doctor. Um, I've been on Blue Bloods, I've been on oranges. The new black. I've been, oh, I'm looking at, uh, the Americans. So you worked with Tom Selek on Blue Bloods? Yeah, but I wasn't in the scene with him. Oh, okay. Yeah. I know sometimes I'm not in a scene with the somebody special we're on set with him because I was on a Star born, but I didn't get to work with uh la.

I met Lady Gaga and I met, uh, yeah, Bradley Cooper, but did not get to be in the scene with them. So that happens a lot too. 'cause I'm not in the big blockbuster, so I'm not a celebrity, so I get like a small little thing. Yeah. But I get the big leads in the independent films.

Randy Florence: But you've worked with some Sylvester Stallone.

Yeah. William Shatner, William. Yeah. He's

Steven Ciceron, Guest: something else. I don't know. I'm, tell me about that. Was that I'm, I dunno if I can, [00:23:00] I'm

Patrick Evans, Host: a huge Star Trek

Steven Ciceron, Guest: fan, so yeah, you gotta tell me. I don't know. I mean, I don't know if, if, if I could get sued for it. I mean he Oh, he was, was was he kind of an ass? He was nice to me.

He was, he was nice to me.

Randy Florence: Let's

Steven Ciceron, Guest: put it that way. What was the project, um, senior moment,

Randy Florence: the one he did out here with? Uh, yeah. Who was he at Lead? Um,

Patrick Evans, Host: the

Randy Florence: woman

Patrick Evans, Host: One Flash was Jean Smart. Smart Gene Smart. And it was Christopher Lloyd. I was in that movie as well. Yes, yes. So we have on IMD page, IMDB page credit together.

There you go. See that we got a lot in common.

Randy Florence: Yeah. William has a reputation for being pretty easy on the side

Steven Ciceron, Guest: side. I don think he's nice to, I don't think he's nice to work with. He's tough. He's hard on the director tour. We're not gonna get

Randy Florence: him on the podcast. Probably not. Could we get his hair?

Patrick Evans, Host: He might go on the podcast?

Uh, no, he has a policy. He doesn't do podcasts. Oh really? Yeah. He got, he got tired of being asked a lot. I mean, the guy's 94. Yeah, I think he's, you know, he's kind of, he's entitled in a way. I think at 94 we can all be cranky and everybody gets a pass. I mean, you're not 94 and [00:24:00] you're cranky and we give you a pass.

Mr. McMullen, you guys are something else.

Randy Florence: You were in Creed,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Uhhuh, what was your role there? So, um. I played like a security guard, um, bringing people in. I, I think I had like two lines or something like that. But, uh, to get to meet s Vista Stallone, and he's one of the nicest actors. He treats everybody equally.

He, um, takes time out to talk to extras supporting roles, no matter how big their supporting role is. And it wouldn't be anything without you guys every morning. He starts out that way and, and is so encouraging and a really nice person to work with.

Randy Florence: I I I, is there a different feeling on set when you've got.

Uh, a set with Sylvester Stallone and Michael B. Jordan, as opposed to maybe one that doesn't have one of the huge big names.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Is there a feeling on the set? The only thing is if you are in a bigger, bigger movie, the food is better.

Randy Florence: Craft service reps, there's a lot better

Steven Ciceron, Guest: treatment that way. Yeah. [00:25:00] But other, not, not really, you know, um, more people involved.

There's more cameras involved. Um, you may not have to do your lines three times over 'cause you have to do it for each different angle of the camera and they've got different angles on you automatically. Um,

Randy Florence: and was Shatner the only one who said, don't look me in the eyes. Not to me. He doesn't say that.

He doesn't. No. You sound a little defensive. I'm a little

Patrick Evans, Host: defensive. Love the chat. Uh, we're gonna take a quick break because we have to say thank you to the McCallum Theater, our presenting sponsor. Go to McCallum theater.org and here's a word from the good folks at one of the best theaters in the entire world.[00:26:00]

Thank you McCallum Theater. We are back with Steve Cran, who is one of the hardest working actors in this valley and all over the place. You said you were just in la mm-hmm. You, you, and you have a, an agent in London, so you must do some overseas work.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Right. So I got back not too long about, but shooting in Berlin.

And also in Stockholm. Wow. Yeah. So that was pretty exciting. And what were those

Patrick Evans, Host: projects?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Tell us about those. So, in, in one, I was, um, an English professor who had witnessed, witnessed [00:27:00] a, um, a crime committed, and then somebody was after me, um, in Mexico. I played, um, a detective, um, was trying to track down some, uh, drug, you know, drug lords and all.

And um. Which was left. Um, and the other one I think I, I, I, I think I played, um, it was a horror movie, which I'm, which I'm loving. And I was at a party and they were killing people when I was less than less people around there. Somebody was coming after me. And they wanted an American,

Randy Florence: not a very good party.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: It

Randy Florence: was a

Steven Ciceron, Guest: scary party. I, yeah, it's not the best party. Party. And so, I mean, and I like, because I can do the American accent, obviously, and I could change it from Texan to Bronx, New York. I'm gonna put you on the spot because you say you do a lot of accents, but Some, but some I can't do on, like, for instance, the English accent.

I have to hear it first before I can do it. Oh. So I, I meant like I'm in, like I'm Indian. Oh, you for some reason, but I [00:28:00] have to think of Pepper Pig in order to get my, my English accent through.

Patrick Evans, Host: Alright. Uh, can you do, you said you mentioned Texas and you did, uh, hop alongs, Stu Gods, uh mm-hmm. And that's sort of a country.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you want Southern, I don't, um, I, I can't even think of what I would say, but um. I, I like that Ona. It really looks good on ya. And if you could show me a little bit more. Ooh, I'd be really, really excited about that. Should've been

Randy Florence: here for our last guest. It was nice. She would've shown him a little bit more.

She would've.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Oh wow. Absolutely. Sorry you missed out on that. Did you have her phone number?

Patrick Evans, Host: Yes. Yes, we do matter. Her name is Maryanne Helping. Helping. And she's uh, she's terrific. She's so nice. You know,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Marianne, I do know her. I try to, I try to pride myself on knowing most of the people in the valley. I know so many singers, there's a lot of singers out here in the valley.

There are a lot of who of you who are some of your favorites? Um, I don't know if that's fair because there's so many nice people that I like. And if I say that, then they may not be mad, be mad at me. Maybe they'll go on my a YouTube C channel, say something nasty or [00:29:00] something, you know. Oh. Right. Don't you hate that?

But they might leave a comment

Randy Florence: on this episode, which might be our first comment on out of 115 episodes. I comment on all of ours. Oh, you do? No, I mean, in the YouTube. I haven't found the YouTube yet. Well, maybe they'll send me a sex

Steven Ciceron, Guest: picture and I, I get in trouble like, I'm trafficking, trafficking something or whatever.

Who knows?

Patrick Evans, Host: Okay. You do have to worry about stuff like that these days. Yeah, you do. I've

Steven Ciceron, Guest: had to put people with a cease and desist and, and yeah. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I know. Where, where you live got stalks and everything. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Did I look familiar? The, it was actually, the women are worse. Oh, okay.

The guys that are just are nicer. The women are really tough, you know, women scoring. Do you know what to say?

Randy Florence: Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned earlier that you, you're still take, you're taking classes. Mm-hmm. Is this something you've kept up regularly through your career? Yeah, pretty

Steven Ciceron, Guest: much. Unless I'm like going through a really busy, busy spell.

So when, like during the, um. Pandemic. I really got to catch up on a lot.

Randy Florence: And is it just fine tuning or do you recognize at the end of a project maybe, oh, this is something I'd like to get [00:30:00] better at? No,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: I think it's, I think it's fine tuning and keeping up with being organic and, and, and being in touch with yourself and reme remembering some of the exercises.

'cause sometimes you just do it and you just go through the motions and you don't want that to happen. What are some of the exercises that you find most useful? I think how you can try to bring in something from your own experience. Um, like if you have a, a crying scene and how to try to bring in what one you're gonna bring in.

It depends. Some of them you can't get out of once you're in it. Do you have any problem crying on, on screen? No, as long as I know, um, have some ample time to think about it. Like if you ask me to cry now, I probably couldn't do it. So I have to think about a certain, and it's different. Some, some days I might need a different situation than another one.

Randy Florence: Well, you wouldn't cry now, but once you hear the episode, well, after listening to you, I think I'm gonna cry. No, I'm only kidding. You should be in tears. What did I do to my career? I can show you, I can show you

Patrick Evans, Host: that picture of Randy's nostrils again. That might,

Randy Florence: that made me cry. It made Randy cry.

Patrick Evans, Host: Yes. Are you guys, [00:31:00]

Randy Florence: are you taking any classes locally now?

You currently No. No. No. Yeah, we saw Terry Ray today, as a matter of fact, lunch. I think he

Steven Ciceron, Guest: also offers class. He does Randy's up for, this is your second class with, that's

Randy Florence: actually how this all started and it's also,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: luckily this is Dan Guttier too.

Randy Florence: Oh yeah,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: yeah. Luckily there's some, you don't have to go to la.

Good. When you take a class, do you, do you go to Dan or do you go to la? I did go to Dan for a little while, but I'm in LA so often. Yeah. It's easier for

Patrick Evans, Host: me to actually do it in la. Right. You mentioned that you're, you're really loving the, the horror genre. Yeah. And you kind of touched on it, I mean, because you, I mean, you are such an affable person.

I know. I like, I love people and, and I mean like. Because of your background and the work that you did, you're, you're clearly focused on helping people. Mm-hmm. Which is the antithesis of usually the villain in the horror movie. Right. They're not out to fiction. Right, right, right. For sure. So what a, is it just the fact that, that it's so deliciously different?

I think so. [00:32:00]

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah, absolutely. I think it is challenging for me because it's not me, and if I can make people say, oh my God, you're really horrible. That was horrible. I hate you. Wow, that's good. Really that's an achievement to make people see me differently. 'cause I wanna bring the character to life and if I can't bring a killer of somebody sinister to life, then I'm not worthy of that role.

You know?

Patrick Evans, Host: And, and you know, it, I think that is the mark of a truly great actor is when you watch. That role where they're playing someone who's totally despicable and then that's weird. It leaves you with that feeling for them. Yeah. I remember the first time I interviewed Gary Oldman. Oh, uh, I could not stop thinking about his character in Air Force One, and he was so despicable and such a horrible person.

I'm like, dude, hate you. I have really hated you for a long time. It happens. And he was laughing about it and he said, well, you know, it was a, i, I just kind of sunk my teeth into that role and oh, he was so good in that and he was, there was a lot of

Steven Ciceron, Guest: method acting probably.

Patrick Evans, Host: I, I, yeah, I, I would assume, I mean, but he's, he, you know, he too is a [00:33:00] chameleon and you're very much a chameleon, I think.

So you, you play. Radically different parts. Yep. And,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: and, and it's, it's really fascinating. I played from a psychotic killer to, um, being in, uh, something called the Philadelphia Experiment. I had to go to Philadelphia for that, uh, historic figure. Uh, you go back and forth, uh, comedy roles, um, different kinds of killers.

Um. Yeah.

Randy Florence: Is there anything you haven't done yet that you want to

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Pornography? No.

Randy Florence: On episode two. Oh, I know a guy well, I did have to

Steven Ciceron, Guest: do, they do have, um, I've done nudity on screen, but they always have an intimacy co uh, coordinator. Okay. Um, for that

Randy Florence: to make sure it's done tastefully or that you feel safe doing it tastefully

Steven Ciceron, Guest: don't feel comfortable, and it's done safely and they're not being overly gratuitous.

Um, you know, sometimes you might have a director that, that might, they were

Randy Florence: just as gratuitous as you wanted them to be.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: I am. I mean, I think sometimes it's in order and sometimes I've seen some films like that movie that we saw with, um, uh, what was that called? A amoura. The [00:34:00] one. Oh, an Nora. An Nora. Yeah. I think it might have been a little bit too much there.

Oh, it was just totally gratuitous. Yeah, totally gratuitous. Yeah.

Randy Florence: So what was that like? First time? Yeah. Were you nervous? You're walking on Sure. That

Steven Ciceron, Guest: I, I can that and learning the tango

Randy Florence: and then I had to do the tango. Naked. Naked it was

Steven Ciceron, Guest: right. And of course, um, backside is a lot easier than front side, you know?

Randy Florence: Have had you, have you

Steven Ciceron, Guest: done full frontal nudity? Yeah, but it was very brief, very brief. Um, backside. They all seem to want the backside, so the backside, I

Randy Florence: guess. Congratulations. I, I don't, I guess that could be in,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: in order. You know,

Randy Florence: I been, I've been typecast. I'm so that

Steven Ciceron, Guest: much because I wanna make sure it's not gratuitous.

But they do usually ask you when you're going on an audition, if it's in there. They say, are you okay with nudity? So I would say yes, but I don't wanna say then with qualifications, if you get

Randy Florence: Oh, you mean my nudity? Oh, right. I'm no, no nudity other people. The director wants to get nudity. That's, that's, that'll make me feel a lot

Steven Ciceron, Guest: easier.

Yeah. Can you get [00:35:00] nude also? Well, I'm nude of, of, of,

Randy Florence: were you a. Uh, movie Buff growing up.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: More old movies 'cause my mom used to watch old movies. Yeah. So I've seen some of the really old ones. Um, singing in the Rain. And that one that's, uh, pretty famous. Um, mommy Dearest. Oh yeah. And one more, and I can't remember the name of it.

Maybe one, two of you were, um, it was Betty Davis and, um. Who works with Betty Davis a lot? Um, they hated each other.

Patrick Evans, Host: Oh, well it was the subject to mommy dearest. Yeah. Faye Dunaway. No,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: no, no, no, no. She played it.

Randy Florence: Oh. Not Faye Dunaway, uh, cat. Who was it? I'm,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: I

Randy Florence: see the face.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Betty Davis. And they had a, a, an arch rivalry.

I can't believe that. We can't think of the three of us.

Patrick Evans, Host: No. Uh, and she was famous for whipping her kid with a hanger. Right, right. Don't

Randy Florence: put your clothes on hangers.

Patrick Evans, Host: Um,

Randy Florence: I'm gonna feel so stupid when he tells me the name. Oh yeah.

Patrick Evans, Host: If only there were a device where

Randy Florence: we could, yeah, we had a computer in our pocket

Steven Ciceron, Guest: and you're here too and you haven't [00:36:00] thought of it for us.

Yeah. There's four men here. Producer Joan Crawford. Thank Joan Crawford. Geez. No I wasn't Joan Crawford. Um, she says, I wish I wasn't. I, I wish I wasn't in a wheelchair. And then the other one goes, but ya Blanche ya.

Randy Florence: That's such a great scene. I see a great line. So, so I've watched a lot of away now.

Patrick Evans, Host: Yeah, you couldn't come up with Joan Crawford.

Randy Florence: I know. Seriously. Go back back 10 minutes and then you'll hear him enter that. Edit him. Yeah, he's gonna edit it. It's Joan Crawford,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: so it sounds like, oh my God, that's too funny. You should do that. It'll be, I should, let me just record it now. Oh, Joan

Randy Florence: Crawford.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: No, that wasn't it. Oh gosh. Oh, that's funny. So a lot of movies like that, a lot of older movies.

Randy Florence: Do you, um, do. What's the biggest lead part that you have played in a film so far?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Well, most of the independent films I am the lead. You are the lead? Yeah. In, in Murder Tango, I'm playing a detective who, um, [00:37:00] there's three women who are sort of like, uh, they have superpowers and there's revenge involved that they kill men.

Who've hurt women before and, but they're all sort of in love with me and they're trying to, you know, and one of them turns into a hag and they just come after me. But yeah, I mean, I play in independent films. I pretty much get the lead usually.

Randy Florence: Anything that you hit on, but I'm okay

Steven Ciceron, Guest: with small lines too.

I'm okay. I'm not a diva.

Randy Florence: There's no small lines. It's just small actors. Yeah,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: yeah, yeah. I'm okay. Did somebody say that? Somebody did say that, but they were talking about the Wizard of Oz. Thought I just needed, because in some of the stuff I've done here, some of the stuff I've done here locally, which I like, 'cause I don't have to be in la.

I may not have the lead, I might have a supporting role, but it's just fun being with them. 'cause I love to laugh and we laugh all the time on the set. They let me get away with it. Whereas in LA they might get annoyed a little bit more, but they, let me laugh more here on the side.

Randy Florence: You, you've won a number of best actor awards here in the Valley, haven't you?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah, three um, indie awards, but mainly a lot of stuff at film festivals and I have them in my [00:38:00] office. And you keep 'em all in one place? Yeah, I have shelves built for it and I, yeah. That's really cool. Yeah. Thank you. What's coming up for you? So, um, I'm still, uh, we're still doing Murder tango. I have, um, where are

Patrick Evans, Host: they shooting that?

Is that

Steven Ciceron, Guest: being both LA and here. And here. Okay, cool. Which I like too. And in LA because if it's a day shoot, I can go down and I'll come back in a day. But if it's longer than that, then they have to write into the contract that they're gonna put me up in a hotel. But usually because I'm not a celebrity, it's gonna be like a motel six, but I'm okay as long as they have a bed

Randy Florence: that's still 300 bucks a night.

So it probably is, I don't,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: I

Patrick Evans, Host: don't know. Um. But what else? They put two other guys with 'em. It's, it's, it's uncomfortable. It's a hundred bucks. It's a hundred bucks on

Steven Ciceron, Guest: one in the

Patrick Evans, Host: bed and

Steven Ciceron, Guest: the other one rolled over

Patrick Evans, Host: and the other roll over. It's like that scene from planes trains on the one goes, that's our pillows.

I love

Steven Ciceron, Guest: that. And she says, well, you're, you know, I won't go into that, but, um, so I've got that going on. I'm also doing, um. [00:39:00] Fox and Fury, um, which I'm sort of playing a, um, sort of a sunny Sonny and Cher knockoff entertainers. They're supposed to sing horrible. And then I get caught in.

Patrick Evans, Host: Oh, and who's your Cher?

Who I, that would be Darcy Daniels? Yes, of course. Darcy. Yeah. Yeah. So then tell me not to, so Fox and Fury is, is a, so Sonny Zi is produced a number. Mm-hmm. He's a guy from, he, I think he's from Philly. He's from Philadelphia's, Phil. Yeah. Uh, and, uh, he, he produces a lot of independent stuff out here, uh, and, and in fact.

It raises the, we we should invite Sonny would be a, a very fun Oh yeah. Podcast guest. Oh yeah. But so would, uh, Tony

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Poon. Oh my God. The, all of them. They're really good and fun guys to be with. Um, especially the way they have that like Italian delivery, you know? So how you doing? They're a lot of fun and they let, like I say, they let me laugh on the set.

Don't you guys improvise A good bit of the lines? Yeah. There's a lot of them. Improv. Yeah. A lot. Now, do you prefer this? It's a comedy. You could do that. Yeah. And

Patrick Evans, Host: you get to play off of, and they're all, they're

Steven Ciceron, Guest: all [00:40:00] guys with. You just have to be careful not to go on too, too long. Right. With that. And your improv has to be appropriate.

It's gotta kind of be being, being, being. Well, yeah. I mean that's the hard thing about comedy is you have to be prompt and you have to know your cue and you have to, if you miss that, it's not gonna be funny. So it's pretty key.

Randy Florence: You said something, uh, earlier as, as I watch being new in all of this and I watch newer people in the industry, there's always milestones that are really exciting to them finding an agent.

Um, the first time that you got an. Was it somebody you found? Was it somebody who found you? It, when

Steven Ciceron, Guest: I first started, I couldn't find anybody and then they found me. And then that particular agent I got rid of and looked at again, somebody else came to me. I've been very lucky getting agents. I,

Randy Florence: but, but was it, did it.

Most of the time you seemed pretty cool the first time an agent called you and said, oh, well yeah,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: because getting an agent is so hard. Yeah. A lot of other actors say, Hey, I need an agent. How do I become sag? Um, and [00:41:00] nothing's easy, but um, yeah, that felt really cool. And since I can get agents, um, I am lucky.

That's three basically. You know,

Randy Florence: I've got none. He's got three. We'll

Steven Ciceron, Guest: work on that. We'll talk about,

Randy Florence: he might share

Steven Ciceron, Guest: one

Randy Florence: of those with you. That's not the one he fired. The guy in London,

Patrick Evans, Host: the guy in London, they're always looking for, there are a lot of nostril forward characters in London,

Randy Florence: I think. Well, it does seem that there are periods of time that that.

They look at as, okay, I'm starting to make it. These little things start to happen. The SAG car, the agent. Yeah. Those kind of things. Is there anything so far in the industry theater, movie, TV that you haven't done that you really want to do before you

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Oh no. I'm also an equity, so I have the theater. Oh, okay.

Theater too. Anything I haven't done, um. I, I, I can't think of it, but I'm, there's always a role that I look at and say, oh, well that would be really cool. I haven't thought of that before. And I would like to do that in theater.

Patrick Evans, Host: What is your favorite kind of stuff to do? I like [00:42:00] musicals.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah. Yeah. I've done off Broadway.

I've done, um, an enemy of the people and I'm Aus and stuff like that. But musicals are fun because again, I like to laugh and so I can get away with laughing more with things like that. Otherwise, they, alright, let's. Let's wait for Cron. He's got another laughing fit, so I don't annoy people as much. Uh, if I stick with the movie you sing.

I do. Yeah. But not like Darcy Daniels or some of the other ones. I, I can keep a tune and do what I need to do and get through the scene and get through the song, but I don't consider that as a strong point for me.

Randy Florence: But you sing, you dance. Yeah. Yeah. You do comedy, you do horror. Just choreography

Steven Ciceron, Guest: takes a little bit longer now, but yeah.

Have

Randy Florence: you written stuff for yourself?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Well, I'm, I am writing and helping some people write Now, um, I, I write well, but it's very time consuming and I just don't have a lot of time. So it's, it's tough. But I could write a script for myself. You

Patrick Evans, Host: must not have a lot of time. I mean, I don't, you are always, I really don't.

You, of course we're friends on Facebook and I you are always posting like, I've got this coming up and I'm gonna like, my God, this [00:43:00] guy, does he ever sleep? Does he get home? I think he does.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Uh, sometimes it's an hour and a half, um, you know, sleep. But I pay for it like two days later.

Randy Florence: But that's the life, right?

Yeah. Love. If you're gonna be a successful working, I, I'm really

Steven Ciceron, Guest: happy. Yeah. I'm really happy No time for a real social life, but that's probably why I'm not, you know, married or anything. Again,

Randy Florence: that's why we brought you in here. You get you into a bar for a few minutes. That's right. You could find

Patrick Evans, Host: a potential partner.

Well, they're not open, so that's good. But in a few minutes, you know?

Randy Florence: Yeah, yeah.

Patrick Evans, Host: Sounds good to me. Sounds like I found

Randy Florence: an agent.

Patrick Evans, Host: You think Steve's gonna be your agent?

Randy Florence: Well, if his career hasn't hit the bottom completely.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Are you

Randy Florence: wishing that on me? No, no, no, no, no. I think his career, I'm not wishing you to be my agent either.

I think his career is from, I don't want

Steven Ciceron, Guest: to be an agent and casting is just something I also do, but yeah, I, I, I'm really filled up to the, to the brim.

Randy Florence: So what's that? Process I wasn't really asking you to manage. It's okay.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: But to find an agent is difficult. A lot of people have a lot of, [00:44:00] a lot of trouble with that.

And I got in SAG and, and equity and I, I consider myself lucky. Just lucky.

Randy Florence: Well, I assume I'd have to be in more than one. Yeah. You look up the criteria and then the

Steven Ciceron, Guest: initial fee to pay for that for both of the quite expensive that didn't see paid for. So I'm already

Randy Florence: out of the industry.

Patrick Evans, Host: Yeah.

Randy Florence: Well that's the thing.

There's, there's a fee associated with it.

Patrick Evans, Host: Yeah. I got SAG eligible and the, the producer of the film. They kinda put me over the top on that. He's like, we could, you know, get you your membership right now, but, you know, I don't know what it's five grand or, yeah, it's about five or six, five or six grand. He is like.

You know, you, you're gonna make about a thousand bucks off this movie. Like, you're like, do you really want to go in the hole for a SAG car or do you just wanna hold onto your eligibility and then if you do more stuff, so it is expensive. Yeah. And a lot of people, and equity's expensive.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah, they both are.

And a lot of people the, and then you've gotta pay monthly depending on how much work you have too. The more work you do, the more you're gonna pay. Um, you must be paying through the nose. You're working your a little butt offs. I, but yeah, but I'm get, I, I [00:45:00] make money too. Um. Pay the mortgage. So that's the important thing.

I don't have to work a side job bartending or something like that. I'm not asking for your address, but where's home for you in the valley? So it would be, I guess North Palm Springs they call it? Yeah. What's the address? It's on every bathroom wall. If you go in here right under

Patrick Evans, Host: Barry, Barry White that, that's my phone number in there too.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Remind me to put it in this particular, that's how his agent

Patrick Evans, Host: gets him all the work. He just puts his phone number on bathroom moley

Randy Florence: everywhere. The rolls are interesting. Call

Patrick Evans, Host: Steve. And, uh, so, um, you've got the, you're, you're, you're still working on this current project. What are you looking at next?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: So, there's gonna be something coming up, which is gonna be a comedy series, um, sort of like Shit's creek.

Um, but in Schitt's Creek you had the. Wealthy people who moved into the dilapidated hotel. They weren't the owners of the hotel. But in this one, I would be part of a dysfunctional family that owns the hotel and some of the characters that come in and all that. So that, [00:46:00] I'm looking forward to that.

Patrick Evans, Host: Do you ever.

Contemplate going back to psychology. Do you ever, do you ever miss it? Well, I love

Steven Ciceron, Guest: having the background. Can you still write prescriptions? No, I wasn't a psychiatrist, so I never could. Anyway. Well, this is over, but Yeah. Um, but I mean, the education I got was just unbelievable. I'm really pleased with my education, but no, I don't think I missed.

Trying to help people that couldn't help themselves. 'cause that made me sad. And I'm never really clinically depressed. You know, I'm, if somebody dies, I'm gonna get depressed. But I've never had a depressive day in my life where I get wake up in the morning and I'm depressed and I don't know why. Um, do you have

Randy Florence: interest in things like directing, producing?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah, I'm doing a little bit more about with that now, but I really like, I don't know, maybe it's vanity. I like being in front of the camera more. Yeah. Yeah. But I, I do do some of that. I've done more of that. Yeah. And maybe in the future.

Randy Florence: I, I have a 13-year-old granddaughter who's a theater kid, [00:47:00] and she called me a couple of months ago and, and wanted to ask about acting, which is pretty funny.

That's cool. But she said, um, I go, well, what do you want to do? Do you want to do theater, tv, movies? She goes, not theater. And I go, why? And she goes, not enough people will see me. Whoa. I thought, well, there's the TikTok generation. Wow. I want millions and millions of people singing. How bad that, that's really interesting.

Yeah. And I'm like, I was pretty happy that 50 people saw what I did. So from the mounts of a babe. Yeah, that was really interesting. Very much so. Yeah. But they've been out here and Patrick's taken them to the studio and Oh, wow. Gotten that. Where's she from? Uh, they live up in sa, twin daughter granddaughters, uh, up in Sacramento.

They're both involved in theater. Moved down here. No, it's 190 degrees every day here. Oh,

Steven Ciceron, Guest: nonsense. It's only, only, only 140 in Sacramento. But you go from air conditioned house to air conditioned car to air conditioned destination. Correct. You get through the summer or you go to Berlin or Alaska to film.[00:48:00]

Randy Florence: I haven't gotten a lot of offers, so I'm stuck here. Hey, juststarting out. You

Patrick Evans, Host: know we're gonna get you that agent

Randy Florence: and then you're gonna be, yeah. Alright. There you go. I appreciate that. It took us 115 episodes to get here. I will. But put your number

Patrick Evans, Host: on the bathroom wall as well, right? Right next to Steve.

Right next to, right next to Steve. You like spillover, effect. Effect. Not too close to Steve

Randy Florence: because I won't get any calls. No, you get spillover, spill. I don't wanna hear about spillover in the restroom. Can we? Steve's not available. We're at to go for

Patrick Evans, Host: Randy.

Randy Florence: I

Patrick Evans, Host: have to do the Randy part, so

Randy Florence: I can't tell you how many people told me you were gonna be a blast to have on this episode.

Really? I'm pleased to hear that. Yeah. Yeah. And

Patrick Evans, Host: you were, you are. Thank you so much and I appreciate that. 'cause I know your schedule is super busy, so thanks. We were, it

Steven Ciceron, Guest: really worked out. You picked out a really good taste, but coming, I'm trying to keep it low key too. Right before the 4th of July.

Randy Florence: Where, where are you headed next?

San Diego.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: For an acting gig? No. Well, I do them, I do San Diego too, San Francisco, you name it. But um, fam, I've got family there. It's [00:49:00] a good place to be. Oh yeah. It's great weather too. You just wake up Everyth day. We love that weather. Unfortunately though, they don't need a weatherman down there because it's like 65 degrees every day.

So they have

Patrick Evans, Host: weather

Steven Ciceron, Guest: people down there. I will tell,

Patrick Evans, Host: I'll tell you a very true story. Uh, uh, many years ago, I got a call from a news director in San Diego and he was like, oh, we, uh, I've seen your stuff. And we have a, we have a, they had a weekend opening. And, and he said, uh, and I really like your look. I'd love, love to have you talk to me about it.

And then, uh, here's the, this is the salary range we're looking at. And it was 10 grand less than I was making here. Wow. That's a surprise. And I'm like, but it was only weekends. Yeah, it was, it was weekends, but still like, you know, like it's market market 25.

Randy Florence: Yeah. But you didn't need weekends. You could have taken both jobs.

Just go back into board. Talk about

Steven Ciceron, Guest: burning the candle from both ends. Yeah, no, thank you. The thing, but they don't. That's interesting. I'm shocked to hear that. Yeah, because they've got a lot more money down there. But the thing is, it would be like say, well then you just have to find different ways of saying it's [00:50:00] 65 degrees today, 65 degrees street.

It's sort of like Walmart shark mean welcome to. Welcome to Walmart. Welcome

Randy Florence: to Walmart. I keep telling him he should have a, an episode where he does everything in Celsius and doesn't tell, doesn't tell anybody. Everybody's like, holy cow. It's 47 degrees today. Oh yeah. Every time I

Steven Ciceron, Guest: wake up and when I was filming in Stockholm and in Berlin, you know, and they'd say, whatever it is, and I have to get on my phone.

Is it hot or cold out there? I just said, no idea. I dunno what that is. I feel

Randy Florence: bad. 'cause sometimes I watch him and I just, I get angry at him. He says it's gonna be 117. Fuck, Patrick.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: I'm gonna call you up at home from now on and find out what the temperature's gonna be outside. I'm sorry,

Randy Florence: I, I have nobody else to blame.

Patrick Evans, Host: You know? I have never said, fuck Randy. On this podcast. Wow. You just did I say it all the time elsewhere, but I've never said it on a podcast.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Does that get edited out or anything? Because I could. No, probably not, because I could've used the word several times tonight. You could

Patrick Evans, Host: have, yeah. No, we

Randy Florence: have. I did.

No, I could. It's no whole barred podcast. Would you like to just say it several times before we go? Give us three different reads. Won. It was three different reads. Three [00:51:00] different

Patrick Evans, Host: reads. Like in different accents. Give. Give. Yes. Give us an angry Do you, do you have a German? This would be Fook.

Randy Florence: Fool.

Patrick Evans, Host: That's it.

That's it. That's it.

Randy Florence: We're gonna have to be left with that version.

Patrick Evans, Host: There we go. Well, listen, uh, you should follow Steve on his social media. Thank you. So, and keep up with what he's doing and

Randy Florence: good luck keeping up with him 'cause he's moving. Thank you.

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah, if they could go on YouTube, just put my name in and subscribe.

That's good. Because if it comes between two actors looking for a role. And one has more fan base than the other one, they're gonna go for the one with that. That'll be their choice. So if they could do that, that'd be great.

Patrick Evans, Host: Wow. Okay. So please subscribe to his YouTube channels. I just got another little

Randy Florence: hint

Patrick Evans, Host: there too.

Yes, you did. Yeah. I think your three or four subscribers are gonna put you over the top. My

Randy Florence: granddaughters are two of them, so that

Patrick Evans, Host: and your phone number on bar. Hey, got you. Cast it so you know it's a little uphill. There you go. Right baby.

Randy Florence: Yeah. See, and we did it here in the corner booth. That's a little

Patrick Evans, Host: bar.

Hey, we want to thank you all for listening to this [00:52:00] edition of Big Conversations Little Bar, Steve Csan. Thank you. You're delightful. Thank you. I appreciate, and again, I know you're busy, so really appreciate you doing this. I appreciate it. Randy, I know that you are not busy, so I'm not busy. Uh, but I gotta

Randy Florence: tell you, I was so happy to hear some of what I thought about some of these people.

Sylvester Stallone, just a hell of a nice guy, William Shatner. Tom Selleck a hell of a nice guy. William

Steven Ciceron, Guest: Shatter

Randy Florence: was nice to Steve. Yeah, he

Steven Ciceron, Guest: was nice to me. They've all been nice to me. Um, I try to overlook that with, you know, some of these nasty fight of a way to bring them around. But yeah, I was afraid I didn't know what you were gonna find on me.

And you seem to be stuck on that intimacy coordinator and wanting to know more about the nudity. I'll be calling you, you later. Did they make you

Patrick Evans, Host: wear a thing? Did you have to wear it there? Was it on one of them?

Steven Ciceron, Guest: I did have like a sock or something. Yeah. But sometimes not. Did they give you one or, well, yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Bring your own. So, you know, bring your own sock. That's a low budget production. That's a really tiny, we're doing nudes today. Bring your own sock. Like, I don't,

Patrick Evans, Host: I don't know that I'm sock. They want

Steven Ciceron, Guest: front nudity. There's no sock, [00:53:00] you know. There would

Randy Florence: be with me

Patrick Evans, Host: on that note. Really on that note, our thanks to Skip page, his team here at Little Bar, and our thanks to the McCallum Theater, our presenting sponsor. They do a great job. McCallum theater.org. Get your tickets sooner rather than later. All kinds of great things coming up this season. And John, John McMullen does a great job.

He's gonna edit this so it actually sounds. Like Randy and I are intelligent, so we really do appreciate that. So

Randy Florence: the episode might not be on for a few months. It's

Patrick Evans, Host: gonna be short. It's gonna be very short, but it's gonna be good. Oh my gosh. It's gonna be a lot of Steve. So, and remember, you can subscribe and be sure to do that.

You can find us at Big Conversations little bar.com. Make sure that you subscribe so you never miss an episode. Thanks so much for listening.