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Kevin Lowe: One quick note before we dive into today's interview,
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Kevin Lowe: I want to be sure to let you know that what you're about to hear today,
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Kevin Lowe: the story, the philosophy, it all actually falls right in line with our guest's
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Kevin Lowe: The book is called Play from the Heart.
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Kevin Lowe: So my friend, if today you listen and you think, man,
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Kevin Lowe: So my friend, be sure to grab your copy of Play from the Heart if today's episode
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Kevin Lowe: speaks to you the way that I hope it does.
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Kevin Lowe: Here is my interview with Scott Martin.
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Kevin Lowe: What's happening, my friend? And welcome back to Grit, Grace, and Inspiration.
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Kevin Lowe: Today, I have the joy of being in the studio with Scott Martin.
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Kevin Lowe: And my man, Scott, welcome to the podcast.
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Scott Martin: Hey, good morning, Kevin. How are you doing today?
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Kevin Lowe: I am doing amazing, doing amazing. It's always a pleasure to get to start the
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Kevin Lowe: day off with a good conversation.
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Kevin Lowe: So I'm excited to get to dive into your story, man.
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Scott Martin: Sounds good. Sounds good.
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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, well, it might seem obvious, but what I would love to know,
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Kevin Lowe: since I know soccer is such a huge part of your story, is where did soccer kind
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Kevin Lowe: of enter the picture for you
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Scott Martin: Yeah i grew up a kid mainly the 60s and into the 70s and we happen to have the
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Scott Martin: backyard in the in the neighborhoods everybody came over so we get on the phone
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Scott Martin: and hey let's play some baseball let's play some football let's get together
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Scott Martin: and play some soccer and and we just grew up with that not being organized and,
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Scott Martin: I actually, at 16, I was asked to join the Wisconsin Rapids Kickers,
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Scott Martin: which was a group of 20 and 30 year olds with first generation,
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Scott Martin: second generation ethnics, former college players.
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Scott Martin: I mean, that's back in the 1970s. Soccer United States was just the North American Soccer League.
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Scott Martin: And he had Belay, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, and they never had a feeder system going down into even college.
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Scott Martin: So our options were limited but the club system in the United States was very
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Scott Martin: good really good clubs out of Chicago St.
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Scott Martin: Louis and here we were in central Wisconsin and we'd go in and kick some butts
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Scott Martin: too so we were kind of the little engine that could back in the 70s and into the early 80s yeah.
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Kevin Lowe: Okay that's amazing was was soccer always really big kind of all over the U.S.
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Kevin Lowe: At like that point like i mean because i'm i'm much younger than you but i like
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Kevin Lowe: as a kid i don't know i feel like like i mean obviously different parts of the
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Kevin Lowe: country may be different but you know growing up in florida i remember it was
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Kevin Lowe: more like t-ball you know starting off with like the first team sport than like soccer yeah
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Scott Martin: I mean at the time it was inexpensive but again it was ethnic kids would aspire
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Scott Martin: to play in the same club as their their dad or their their uncle that sort of
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Scott Martin: thing it had a long way to go.
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Scott Martin: A lot of what we did back with the kickers was educate, educate the public.
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Scott Martin: We did anything and everything to get media attention. One time,
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Scott Martin: Kevin, we were asked to go play prisoners in a maximum security prison,
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Scott Martin: a federal maximum security prison.
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Scott Martin: We got press out of it. That's what we had to do.
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Scott Martin: Yeah, that's what had to happen. You know, we'd attend parades after we won
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Scott Martin: our first championship.
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Scott Martin: You know, just happened to be part of the Fourth of July parade down 8th Street in Wisconsin Rapids.
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Scott Martin: And yeah, we had to fight for everything we had to do.
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Scott Martin: But we also had to educate, you know, the offside rule, trying to educate to
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Scott Martin: a bunch of white folks in the Midwest.
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Scott Martin: It's kind of difficult. They didn't understand until we brought up the blue
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Scott Martin: line in hockey. So, oh, OK.
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Kevin Lowe: I love it. So now, what was it about soccer that really maybe interested you
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Kevin Lowe: more than any other sport?
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Scott Martin: The artistic side. I grew up playing football. You know, you had run this play.
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Scott Martin: Run this play in defense. Baseball, there's a little bit more intricacy to it.
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Scott Martin: Basketball at the time wasn't just fast break, gun and run.
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Scott Martin: But at the time, there was some strategy involved. But when I really got into
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Scott Martin: soccer and playing with the kickers at the upper level, I mean,
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Scott Martin: it was just a whole world opened up to me.
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Scott Martin: I always saw the game as a Jackson Pollock painting, the drip painting from him in the 40s and 50s.
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Scott Martin: And it just how everything flowed For 90 minutes,
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Scott Martin: the ball just moved around and the quality players and the quality teams who
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Scott Martin: are always probing and looking for openings or defensively, what we did very
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Scott Martin: effectively was just shut the opponent down and then start a counterattack as high as we could.
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Scott Martin: So it was the flow of play, the art that I saw in the game.
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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, I love it. Now, what was your favorite position to play?
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Scott Martin: I grew up as a right winger. We played with three front system.
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Scott Martin: My brother, Jeff, played on the left side.
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Scott Martin: So we both had speed. We were able to put us in those positions.
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Scott Martin: Just had one thing to do. Beat your opponent in a 1v1 situation and serve the ball onto a dime.
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Scott Martin: Either onto someone's head or onto an unrushing foot.
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Scott Martin: Now, when I went to college, O'Cab, Jerry Stark was the coach at University
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Scott Martin: of Wisconsin at Oshkosh.
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Scott Martin: And he sat at the very first training session.
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Scott Martin: Scott, I want you to take everything you know as a forward, as an attacker,
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Scott Martin: turn around 180 degrees and run the defense. Like, what the hell?
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Scott Martin: I mean, looking back, it did make sense. Just spin it. So then I went in and I had to study.
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Scott Martin: And when I studied the game is when I found the artistic side plus the mathematics
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Scott Martin: that were involved in it.
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Scott Martin: So then I was just totally amazed. And that's also when I started getting into
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Scott Martin: coaching, because a new side of the game opened up for me besides just the artistic side.
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Kevin Lowe: Interesting. Well, that leads perfectly into my next question was,
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Kevin Lowe: what led you from playing the game to coaching?
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Scott Martin: Yeah. When I went in as a freshman, and Jerry did that to me,
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Scott Martin: I entered the program broadcast journalism, got involved in whole government.
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Scott Martin: As well. And something came out, Jerry got me in. He was the president of the
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Scott Martin: Oshkosh Youth Soccer Club at the time.
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Scott Martin: And he got me into coaching. So as a freshman, here I am with a bunch of 10-year-olds
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Scott Martin: that lost every single match the year before I got them.
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Scott Martin: And I think they scored three goals in 12 matches or something.
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Scott Martin: So we just took our time. I'd bring my boom box, get music involved,
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Scott Martin: open it up, not necessarily do a whole lot of just A to B drills,
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Scott Martin: get them to play, get them to first gain in their confidence,
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Scott Martin: and then creativity would start to evolve.
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Scott Martin: So by the third season with those kids, we went undefeated and won a championship with that.
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Scott Martin: And that's not the kids in the book. That was when I just got started.
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Scott Martin: Heck, man, one year I coached four teams because it was just needed.
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Scott Martin: That was crazy. Yeah, it was crazy.
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Kevin Lowe: I loved it. I can imagine.
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Scott Martin: I loved it.
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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, I can imagine. Well, I have no idea in the timeline how far ahead we have
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Kevin Lowe: to skip, but I know, and maybe it was even what you were just speaking about,
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Kevin Lowe: was I know the year 93 was a big year for you.
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Scott Martin: Yeah, that's the illness. I'll just leave it as that and see where you want to go with it.
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Kevin Lowe: Okay, okay. Well, before we get to the illness part of the story,
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Kevin Lowe: I guess, where do we kind of jump from you getting involved in coaching and
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Kevin Lowe: all that to leading up to the illness part of your story?
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Kevin Lowe: Like, where were you at in coaching? What had that become for you?
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Scott Martin: So all throughout college, I was coaching youth.
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Scott Martin: And then right after college, I was still playing at this time.
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Scott Martin: I switched over to the Pepsi Spirits.
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Scott Martin: And I was still able to play. And I had a degree by that time in physical education,
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Scott Martin: education and coaching and health.
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Scott Martin: But all I could find were jobs as a sub because who's going to waste a physical
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Scott Martin: education position on a soccer coach? I wasn't done at the time.
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Scott Martin: So I was still running their soccer programs. I was substituting. I said, this is crazy.
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Scott Martin: But subbing i learned how to teach subbing you just wing it walk into a room
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Scott Martin: boom there we go let's pick it up and run with it that's when i fell in love
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Scott Martin: with teaching in the classroom kevin,
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Scott Martin: and i oh wow a couple years in i said man
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Scott Martin: i got to do something different so in one year one
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Scott Martin: academic year i took about 50 credits in social
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Scott Martin: studies and history i substitute taught i coach
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Scott Martin: i was actually that was the first year that i was named uh
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Scott Martin: coach of the year was within all of that i was
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Scott Martin: in a relationship and it was it was just totally nuts and i again i loved it
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Scott Martin: and i came out with a degree in social studies in history and and uh west band
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Scott Martin: east they hired me to come in teach global studies so there i started focusing
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Scott Martin: on the soccer program and,
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Scott Martin: teaching and i was just in heaven my girlfriend and i had broken up and everything was clear cut.
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Scott Martin: And then I had an opportunity to attend a coaches clinic in Madison.
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Scott Martin: And there were some friends of mine. We were talking, he said,
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Scott Martin: Hey, coaching positions, open it up at Eau Claire. Why don't you apply for it? Okay.
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Scott Martin: And you know, Kevin, it's, it's, it's not necessarily what you know,
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Scott Martin: but who, you know, a lot of times, the athletic director used to teach at West Bend,
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Scott Martin: and we met down in Milwaukee and had a great conversation and she offered me the job on the spot.
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Scott Martin: Just, okay, I want you to run the program.
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Scott Martin: Okay. So that's when I decided I have been looking at maybe working as an assistant
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Scott Martin: at Division I college, but now I wanted to do it myself.
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Scott Martin: So that's when I started with the University of Wisconsin at Eau Claire Women's Program.
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Scott Martin: I had finished my first year there. We were nationally ranked.
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Scott Martin: I was heading over to Europe that summer again after the first year.
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Scott Martin: That's what I tended to do during my summers was take a group of kids over and
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Scott Martin: play at the major tournaments there.
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Scott Martin: But this time, a good friend of mine and I handpicked college players to take over.
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Scott Martin: Another time when I was over in Europe, I met a gentleman that was director
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Scott Martin: of coaching at a club in the Netherlands.
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Scott Martin: I went back just before I took the coaching job at Eau Claire.
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Scott Martin: And here he was as the Olympic team head coach.
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Scott Martin: So Jan and I got together.
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Scott Martin: And it's in the book on how we go out one
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Scott Martin: one night and he tells me he knows
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Scott Martin: some people in the u.s that he can help me
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Scott Martin: with my career and here we
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Scott Martin: go with the summer sick was
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Scott Martin: i was at nike camp i was asked and
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Scott Martin: i knew it was your yawn to go speak at a
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Scott Martin: nike regional camp with top players from across the
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Scott Martin: country and there were national team players instructing and
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Scott Martin: college coaches so i was able to rub elbows with people like that so that's
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Scott Martin: where i actually got sick but kevin when i showed up i was wearing adidas man
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Scott Martin: because that's what we wore i didn't have a lick of nike so of course you know
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Scott Martin: they just said hey come on over here here's some cleats here you know put on top Here's some shorts.
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Scott Martin: Here's some more Nike stuff. Okay, I'll take it.
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Scott Martin: So I'll see where you want to go with it there. So it was at the Nike camp when
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Scott Martin: the illness came into play.
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Kevin Lowe: Okay. Okay. Perfect. Okay, cool. So before we get to that, to the illness part
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Kevin Lowe: of it, I would love to ask you, so before you started coaching college players,
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Kevin Lowe: before that, it was all like around like the 10-year-old age?
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Scott Martin: No, no. I was at the high school level.
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Scott Martin: I was usually taking kids and prepping them for going on for other people to go on.
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Scott Martin: So then I, started running my own programs.
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Scott Martin: And that's when I really started getting more of a taste and more of a taste.
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Scott Martin: You know, I was named coach of the year four times because I, I take a program.
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Scott Martin: I actually coached at three different high schools. I take a program two to
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Scott Martin: three years, boom, I'd leave, uh, two to three years.
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Scott Martin: Boom. I'd leave, you know, we build something, try to get some of those kids
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Scott Martin: to go play at the college level.
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Scott Martin: And I was just a soccer rat. It was, you know, So what's the next challenge?
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Scott Martin: I want it. That's what I was doing at the time.
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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, yeah. I love it. Well, the reason I was asking about the ages,
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Kevin Lowe: and I mean, this all kind of works out perfect with the ages that you have coached, is there...
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Kevin Lowe: A difference for the coach in how you coach kids versus, you know, college students?
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Scott Martin: Oh, I've been asked this. No difference. No difference at all.
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Scott Martin: I did everything the same way. Of course, there are different levels,
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Scott Martin: but really a lot of it was here's the boombox hit play and let's get these kids
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Scott Martin: to play according to music.
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Scott Martin: That's where I always had music training. It wasn't for the kids because they
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Scott Martin: shouldn't be listening to it.
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Scott Martin: What I do with music is I feel the music and try to get the kids to play in that way.
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Scott Martin: Because I feel there's a great commonality between the game of soccer and a lot of music.
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Scott Martin: Blues, jazz, rock, some disco.
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Scott Martin: All of that I see and I feel that in the game. And that's how I try to get the kids to play like that.
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Scott Martin: It didn't matter what level. UTan, you know, college level, always the same.
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Kevin Lowe: Okay. Okay. Okay. Now, this is fascinating. So, because I had already made a
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Kevin Lowe: note that we were going to come
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Kevin Lowe: back and talk about it. We're going to go and talk about it right now.
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Kevin Lowe: The music in coaching soccer. I'm fascinated by this.
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Kevin Lowe: Explain to me how you even came up with this idea.
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Kevin Lowe: Is this, maybe this is a common thing in soccer. I have no idea.
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Kevin Lowe: But i'm interested to understand how this integrates with one another
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Scott Martin: I was always known for uh having headphones
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Scott Martin: on you know if i go out for a three mile
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Scott Martin: run or something or in my training or heck at
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Scott Martin: six o'clock in the morning take a couple of bags of balls down to the soccer field
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Scott Martin: and knock the balls around but i was listening to music and it
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Scott Martin: just made sense that to me and that
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Scott Martin: i would feel the music in my running
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Scott Martin: and training and working with the ball why not
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Scott Martin: even do it with that first group of 10 year
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Scott Martin: olds and i think that it paid off
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Scott Martin: i mean kevin i substitute teach now in
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Scott Martin: high school and we give instruction if it's
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Scott Martin: not an exam all type music and the
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Scott Martin: kids love it because nobody else i
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Scott Martin: don't understand what people don't do this more you know
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Scott Martin: here we are in a classroom and dad you know
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Scott Martin: let's have some i don't crank the music let's have
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Scott Martin: some music going or out in the soccer field let's let's have some tunes you
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Scott Martin: know it just yeah things up it loosens things up again it brings back that creativity
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Scott Martin: you know i want to see a jackson pollock painting out on the field even if it's
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Scott Martin: a training field let's let's get it going with the fluidity.
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Kevin Lowe: Yeah. Yeah, I love it. Now, out of curiosity, do you...
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Kevin Lowe: Do you see players play differently based on the type of music?
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Kevin Lowe: I mean, I would almost imagine if you had playing something real hardcore,
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Kevin Lowe: fast-paced beat, maybe you're feeling it in your chest. You're running faster
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Kevin Lowe: versus something slower. I mean, does it make any difference?
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Scott Martin: No, I really haven't seen that. I think there's, because I've been working on
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Scott Martin: the music, my playlist for years and years and years.
00:16:54.872 --> 00:16:56.952
Scott Martin: I'm still adding to it when it comes up in Pandora.
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Scott Martin: No, there's just, there's a thread that basically runs through all the music that I play.
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Scott Martin: You know, it could be Donna Summer comes up to play and it might,
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Scott Martin: you know, it's a type of Donna Summer song that's playing off of R.L.
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Scott Martin: Burnside or a Tad Benoit or some Petty comes up. So there's just,
00:17:15.052 --> 00:17:20.252
Scott Martin: again, the kids aren't meant to be listening to it, but they'll feel it.
00:17:20.572 --> 00:17:25.372
Scott Martin: And again, it's my way of kind of using that as a metronome.
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Scott Martin: So how the music's going is how the kids, I'm trying to get them to play like that.
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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Wow. Okay, that's really cool.
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Kevin Lowe: So now, last question, kind of really specific about soccer before we move forward,
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Kevin Lowe: is when talking about going outside of the United States over to Europe and stuff,
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Kevin Lowe: is there any difference in the game between countries, how it's played,
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Kevin Lowe: rules, or is everything identical?
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Scott Martin: No, there's definitely different flavor of things. One time we were in quarterfinal
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Scott Martin: of the Holland Cup and I had a group of youth 13.
00:18:04.057 --> 00:18:06.137
Scott Martin: So they're from kids from across the country.
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Scott Martin: And we went up against a team from Italy and I did some check in and people were talking about.
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Scott Martin: I mean, there were kids on this Italian team. They're 13, 12,
00:18:16.437 --> 00:18:18.457
Scott Martin: 13 years old that had signed contracts.
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Scott Martin: I mean, they're professional contracts like, oh, shit. I'm sorry.
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Kevin Lowe: Yeah.
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Scott Martin: How are we going to get into this? We ended up beating them in penalty kicks
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Scott Martin: because we looked at the whole, how they were going to play.
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Scott Martin: So there was an Italian style that they stuck to.
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Scott Martin: And there is, I guess, there's a German type of style.
00:18:39.037 --> 00:18:43.917
Scott Martin: There's a Dutch type of style. There's an English type of style. A French type of style.
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Scott Martin: Where other teams that would come in and play against the United States national
00:18:48.217 --> 00:18:51.877
Scott Martin: teams ran into problems was we have such a blend.
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Scott Martin: That you can't just structure us. I was just watching the U.S.
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Scott Martin: Men play Paraguay and Uruguay.
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Scott Martin: And Pochettino, the new men's head coach, he has a style, but he's also working
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Scott Martin: and incorporating the style of the individual players.
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Scott Martin: Emma Hayes with the U.S. women, that's who I was watching this morning,
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Scott Martin: their replay against Italy last night.
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Scott Martin: God, they look good. uh emma hayes emma
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Scott Martin: hayes has her style with what they're trying to
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Scott Martin: do both ways i always
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Scott Martin: i always went into matches and looking at not
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Scott Martin: the opponent i would look at how the opponent saw us
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Scott Martin: so when i look at the u.s men and u.s women you can't figure them out there
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Scott Martin: there's no set they're gonna do this no and that's how the quality teams should
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Scott Martin: be unpredictable i don't ever
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Scott Martin: want anybody know what we're doing even though we know what we're doing.
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Kevin Lowe: Yeah yeah that that's it kind of
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Kevin Lowe: makes me think of the whole theme of america as a
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Kevin Lowe: melting pot exactly it's kind of it's kind
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Kevin Lowe: of done that into the sport of soccer which i think is really fascinating and
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Kevin Lowe: i guess it kind of goes back to what you were talking about earlier about your
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Kevin Lowe: your appeal of soccer of of this individuality of it you know because i mean
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Kevin Lowe: i don't think you notice that in football or baseball i mean no there
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Scott Martin: Are some baseball players like center fielders that just have a style or a short
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Scott Martin: step has a style to them but in soccer i,
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Scott Martin: It's so much, there's so much fluidity. There's so much movement off the ball.
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Scott Martin: And that's one thing people need to learn about the game. It's not just that
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Scott Martin: stupid little round thing, as I call it.
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Scott Martin: Look at everything else that's happening. And that's the hardest thing to get
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Scott Martin: in the kids' heads. Stop worrying about the ball.
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Scott Martin: Look at everything else. There's a heck of a lot more space than just where the ball is.
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Scott Martin: So that's one of the things that I strive for as well, Kevin,
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Scott Martin: is to get them to see the entire green.
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Kevin Lowe: I love it. Yeah, amazing. Okay, so back up to where you kind of left us off
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Kevin Lowe: about the getting sick at the Nike camp.
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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, so talk to me about that.
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Scott Martin: So I was asked to come in and speak. I think I came in on Saturday. I was asked to speak.
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Scott Martin: Saturday was the last full day.
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Scott Martin: And i'm watching i'm asked to participate in
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Scott Martin: drills and i'm not feeling so well i was in training to
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Scott Martin: go over to europe again maybe i'd be playing against
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Scott Martin: the dutch olympic team again that's what i did the
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Scott Martin: year before when jan asked me to play and so i
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Scott Martin: was in training i i think that's where i picked up the illness we don't know
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Scott Martin: for sure but when i was at nike i just i wasn't myself i wasn't participating
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Scott Martin: here we had national team players that are running drills yeah that looks like
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Scott Martin: that would be fun participate a little bit but then we played in the evening there was a,
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Scott Martin: coach's match and has to
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Scott Martin: play in that like okay i again
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Scott Martin: i wasn't feeling all that well put myself on the left side because i know the
00:22:13.623 --> 00:22:17.743
Scott Martin: work wouldn't be work rate wouldn't be as high and i ended up having to take
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Scott Martin: myself out i was just exhausted so quick speed it up that night i was either
00:22:24.243 --> 00:22:27.443
Scott Martin: in the bathroom thrown up profusely or I was sweating like crazy or shivering
00:22:27.443 --> 00:22:28.623
Scott Martin: like crazy in my dorm room.
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Scott Martin: And even though we're outside of Chicago, I had no idea where the hospitals
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Scott Martin: were. So I woke up the next morning. I apologized. I had to leave.
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Scott Martin: If you don't know where a doctor is, if you know where your mom is,
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Scott Martin: you go to mom. And my mom was an hour and a half away in southern Wisconsin.
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Scott Martin: So and the wisdom of the female species, as soon as she saw me,
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Scott Martin: because I hadn't called her. We didn't have cell phones at the time.
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Scott Martin: As soon as she saw me, she said, you get your butt over the emergency room.
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Scott Martin: Something's wrong with you.
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Scott Martin: So I presented myself. They released me. Woke up the next morning even worse.
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Scott Martin: I had to cancel a couple of recruiting calls in the Minneapolis area.
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Scott Martin: And the last thing I remember for the next month was my stepfather backing out
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Scott Martin: of the driveway and my mom standing outside the kitchen door looking freaked.
00:23:16.773 --> 00:23:18.753
Scott Martin: And she knew something was bad.
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Scott Martin: So like I said, I woke up a month later from a coma to learn that in order to
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Scott Martin: save my life, my mom and my brother had to make a decision.
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Scott Martin: Let me die and I was so sick that I should have and
00:23:31.013 --> 00:23:34.253
Scott Martin: I was told the only reason I was still alive was I was an athlete or
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Scott Martin: amputate my hands and parts of both my feet and see how I
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Scott Martin: would handle life and first thing that ran
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Scott Martin: through my mind when the doctor was trying to explain all of this was
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Scott Martin: uh there goes my playing career I'm done and then
00:23:46.193 --> 00:23:48.873
Scott Martin: it came down to coaching see I
00:23:48.873 --> 00:23:51.753
Scott Martin: was doing the male thing Kevin of I was worried about
00:23:51.753 --> 00:23:54.473
Scott Martin: you know I wasn't focusing on how am I going to deal
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Scott Martin: with all of this it was i want to get back to work i
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Scott Martin: want to get back to work i'm supposed to be in europe i missed the europe
00:24:00.533 --> 00:24:03.473
Scott Martin: trip by the way they won all three tournaments yeah so
00:24:03.473 --> 00:24:06.833
Scott Martin: it was a rude awakening to figure
00:24:06.833 --> 00:24:11.673
Scott Martin: out and i think we do a pretty good job of telling all of that in the book about
00:24:11.673 --> 00:24:17.513
Scott Martin: yeah you know imagine waking up from all of this and there are cards on the
00:24:17.513 --> 00:24:21.793
Scott Martin: walls and balloons that were draping and that's how i figured out man i've been
00:24:21.793 --> 00:24:23.893
Scott Martin: in here for a while because the balloon you You know, get well,
00:24:23.973 --> 00:24:25.073
Scott Martin: balloons are sagging a little bit.
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Kevin Lowe: Wow.
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Scott Martin: Yeah, that's how I figured it all out.
00:24:29.179 --> 00:24:34.499
Kevin Lowe: Wow. So what what was wrong? What what caused all of this?
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Scott Martin: It was it's called group A strep with necrotizing fasciitis is the death of
00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:42.639
Scott Martin: the skin and group A strep.
00:24:42.919 --> 00:24:48.439
Scott Martin: Well, what happened was I was so sick that the body takes care of itself.
00:24:48.779 --> 00:24:53.599
Scott Martin: We let it and it shoots out white blood cells to go attack bacteria.
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:59.239
Scott Martin: Well, I was so sick that it shot out maybe also because I was in such good shape.
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:04.099
Scott Martin: It was able to handle it by producing even more and more white blood cells.
00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:07.059
Scott Martin: Well, white blood cells, they're just going to go into the bloodstream,
00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:12.499
Scott Martin: take care of the bacteria, but it would collect in the extremities.
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:19.399
Scott Martin: And little by little, the blood flow ceased in the extremities.
00:25:19.399 --> 00:25:25.039
Scott Martin: So from the tips of the fingers and tips of the toes things started dying as
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:31.219
Scott Martin: it worked back and there are a couple times in the book when I ask or I a nephew
00:25:31.219 --> 00:25:32.899
Scott Martin: or my brother interjects about,
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:38.119
Scott Martin: watching the skin you can almost see it at least for sure from hour to hour
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:43.239
Scott Martin: how it would darken going up the extremities because things were just dying
00:25:43.239 --> 00:25:49.699
Scott Martin: and there came a point where okay they kind of had everything under control.
00:25:49.979 --> 00:25:51.319
Scott Martin: What are you going to do, folks?
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.819
Scott Martin: Let him go? We pull the plug and everything? Or you want to do the amputations?
00:25:56.999 --> 00:26:00.419
Scott Martin: And I have tried to have those conversations.
00:26:01.379 --> 00:26:05.199
Scott Martin: Not easy for my mom. My mother has passed away, but my brother,
00:26:05.439 --> 00:26:09.419
Scott Martin: even looking back now, 30 years ago, probably difficult.
00:26:09.999 --> 00:26:20.959
Kevin Lowe: Yeah. Wow. Now, what is it like waking up from being in coma for a month? Do you wake up
00:26:22.331 --> 00:26:26.031
Kevin Lowe: Feeling like you just woke up from a normal night's sleep? I mean,
00:26:26.191 --> 00:26:27.751
Kevin Lowe: is there any difference?
00:26:28.491 --> 00:26:33.291
Scott Martin: I describe it in the book exactly how it happened. I had no idea what was going on.
00:26:33.391 --> 00:26:38.411
Scott Martin: And then I could hear women's voices laughing like they were playing a sport.
00:26:39.051 --> 00:26:45.511
Scott Martin: And I saw the back of a woman, and I think she was dressed in green,
00:26:46.691 --> 00:26:48.931
Scott Martin: looking up at, oh, okay, now it's a television.
00:26:49.131 --> 00:26:51.971
Scott Martin: And here are these women are playing beach volleyball.
00:26:52.331 --> 00:26:57.231
Scott Martin: And the woman turns around and looks at me. She ends up being Lindy,
00:26:57.491 --> 00:27:00.271
Scott Martin: my nurse, who kind of became my surrogate mother.
00:27:00.651 --> 00:27:04.231
Scott Martin: She was always working, it seemed, taking care of me. So it was,
00:27:04.351 --> 00:27:08.291
Scott Martin: what's this? And then she went off and got the doctor to come in.
00:27:08.571 --> 00:27:13.471
Scott Martin: And I was a little bit more awake at that time to explain everything.
00:27:13.791 --> 00:27:17.191
Scott Martin: And I had lost 40 pounds, and it was mainly muscle.
00:27:17.791 --> 00:27:22.291
Scott Martin: And I couldn't move. I thought maybe I was paralyzed because I had no idea what was going on.
00:27:22.571 --> 00:27:25.791
Scott Martin: I just couldn't move because my muscles had atrophied so badly.
00:27:26.091 --> 00:27:32.751
Scott Martin: And I was in a neck brace and described by other people in the book about how
00:27:32.751 --> 00:27:35.691
Scott Martin: many machines were in my room.
00:27:35.831 --> 00:27:42.331
Scott Martin: It was hard to figure out where I was in bed because there was so much technology going on.
00:27:42.531 --> 00:27:42.911
Kevin Lowe: Yeah.
00:27:43.171 --> 00:27:43.851
Scott Martin: Yeah, it was freaky.
00:27:43.951 --> 00:27:46.991
Kevin Lowe: Wow. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Wow.
00:27:47.531 --> 00:27:55.471
Kevin Lowe: Can you even remember when either you knew yourself or the doctor told you about
00:27:55.471 --> 00:27:59.631
Kevin Lowe: them having that you no longer had hands or feet?
00:28:00.111 --> 00:28:03.311
Scott Martin: Yeah. And my brain shut down. I just, okay.
00:28:03.691 --> 00:28:07.651
Scott Martin: Didn't want to, I didn't even touch it. They were just words that were said
00:28:07.651 --> 00:28:10.171
Scott Martin: and that I heard. Was it okay?
00:28:10.731 --> 00:28:12.671
Scott Martin: So, all right. What's the date?
00:28:13.527 --> 00:28:17.587
Scott Martin: Did I miss Europe? You know, oh, well, after Europe, we're, you know,
00:28:17.667 --> 00:28:21.307
Scott Martin: the players are showing up at the university for preseason training.
00:28:21.527 --> 00:28:23.007
Scott Martin: Oh, my. Can I get back there?
00:28:24.327 --> 00:28:29.207
Scott Martin: There was no way. I still look at it as that's the stupidity of males.
00:28:29.967 --> 00:28:33.187
Scott Martin: We look at, you know, we're taught to or else we're just wired that way.
00:28:33.287 --> 00:28:34.907
Scott Martin: Maybe it's just me, Kev. I don't know about you.
00:28:36.727 --> 00:28:39.627
Scott Martin: Man, I want to work. I want to let's you know, this is nothing.
00:28:39.627 --> 00:28:41.707
Scott Martin: We'll get past this. And okay.
00:28:42.107 --> 00:28:46.787
Scott Martin: Yeah. Okay. Well, I ended up paying for it because of that. So we'll get into that. I'm sure.
00:28:47.567 --> 00:28:53.267
Kevin Lowe: Yeah. I was going to say, so to talk to me about what happens next,
00:28:53.267 --> 00:29:01.567
Kevin Lowe: because I mean, I would think this would be a very long physical recovery process.
00:29:01.967 --> 00:29:09.127
Kevin Lowe: I mean, mental is, I know it's way longer, but, but what, what does happen next in this story?
00:29:09.627 --> 00:29:17.547
Scott Martin: I start training. I was still in the ICU and I started doing exercises a little
00:29:17.547 --> 00:29:20.147
Scott Martin: bit by a little bit by a little bit, gaining back some strength.
00:29:20.387 --> 00:29:24.987
Scott Martin: So within a couple of weeks, I was transferred over to rehabilitation.
00:29:25.587 --> 00:29:29.187
Scott Martin: So I gained some weight, but mainly I gained strength back. And then,
00:29:29.287 --> 00:29:32.747
Scott Martin: God, the opening in rehab was...
00:29:33.818 --> 00:29:39.958
Scott Martin: Kathy, one of the people there, had me sit up on the side of the bed for 60
00:29:39.958 --> 00:29:41.618
Scott Martin: seconds. It was like, oh, my God.
00:29:41.898 --> 00:29:48.638
Scott Martin: That was the most difficult thing I thought I would remember besides all of my training as a player.
00:29:48.998 --> 00:29:51.098
Scott Martin: Just sitting up for 60 seconds.
00:29:51.838 --> 00:29:59.038
Scott Martin: It was that hard. But it was just work, work, you know, let's get back.
00:29:59.638 --> 00:30:01.918
Scott Martin: So one month in a coma and then four months in rehab.
00:30:02.278 --> 00:30:02.758
Kevin Lowe: Wow.
00:30:03.118 --> 00:30:04.118
Scott Martin: Yeah, that was all work.
00:30:04.478 --> 00:30:08.298
Kevin Lowe: Now, during the four months in rehab,
00:30:08.838 --> 00:30:19.018
Kevin Lowe: were you able to keep yourself always focused forward or did you ever have moments
00:30:19.018 --> 00:30:21.218
Kevin Lowe: where you would break down?
00:30:21.558 --> 00:30:26.498
Scott Martin: One of the nicest things that the head of, Dr.
00:30:26.598 --> 00:30:30.218
Scott Martin: Mullen, the head of rehab, told me when I first met him was,
00:30:30.418 --> 00:30:32.098
Scott Martin: it's not going to be easy, man.
00:30:32.098 --> 00:30:35.258
Scott Martin: If you want to just say ask
00:30:35.258 --> 00:30:38.718
Scott Martin: for the door closed go ahead i mean that was the
00:30:38.718 --> 00:30:41.978
Scott Martin: best advice anybody gave me otherwise it
00:30:41.978 --> 00:30:44.818
Scott Martin: seemed that you know okay now i
00:30:44.818 --> 00:30:47.478
Scott Martin: saw this person then i saw that person two and o'clock in the
00:30:47.478 --> 00:30:50.358
Scott Martin: morning they came in and drew blood and then somebody else came in
00:30:50.358 --> 00:30:53.578
Scott Martin: and helped me with urination and i just it
00:30:53.578 --> 00:30:56.918
Scott Martin: was like crazy i didn't take him up on that very often one
00:30:56.918 --> 00:30:59.938
Scott Martin: of the most difficult points was point
00:30:59.938 --> 00:31:03.258
Scott Martin: blank being fitted for the hooks and one
00:31:03.258 --> 00:31:06.678
Scott Martin: of the chapters is titled the bane of captain hook and
00:31:06.678 --> 00:31:12.678
Scott Martin: how i had to face it i'm using this i mean being amputated at the mid forearm
00:31:12.678 --> 00:31:16.618
Scott Martin: you know just keep my arms down under the blankets and i don't see it but when
00:31:16.618 --> 00:31:21.298
Scott Martin: you're starting to be fitted for hooks and training with those that's reality
00:31:21.298 --> 00:31:25.698
Scott Martin: and my brain and I think I got pretty good at shutting off my brain.
00:31:26.098 --> 00:31:31.918
Kevin Lowe: Yeah, our bodies have a way of doing what we need them to do for us to survive.
00:31:32.810 --> 00:31:35.470
Scott Martin: Yeah, exactly. Listen to our bodies more.
00:31:36.050 --> 00:31:44.050
Kevin Lowe: Exactly. Exactly. Wow. So after four months in rehab, you get out of rehab.
00:31:44.430 --> 00:31:46.470
Kevin Lowe: What do you do then?
00:31:47.010 --> 00:31:49.510
Scott Martin: Well, here's the way I describe it in the book. First thing I did,
00:31:49.590 --> 00:31:55.210
Scott Martin: I had an apartment on the university campus because I was the head women's soccer
00:31:55.210 --> 00:31:58.550
Scott Martin: coach and I was also an assistant hall director. So I had my own apartment.
00:31:59.150 --> 00:32:01.910
Scott Martin: First thing it did was pop in dark side
00:32:01.910 --> 00:32:04.670
Scott Martin: of the moon by pink floyd i just locked my
00:32:04.670 --> 00:32:07.430
Scott Martin: door put headphones on i don't know how many
00:32:07.430 --> 00:32:10.790
Scott Martin: times i listened to that i think it put it on you know
00:32:10.790 --> 00:32:16.510
Scott Martin: just continuous play and my cats would jump up on me and they hadn't seen me
00:32:16.510 --> 00:32:21.270
Scott Martin: in five months you know so it was just one of the only times i took the time
00:32:21.270 --> 00:32:26.210
Scott Martin: for myself and i should have done that more because it was starting to fall
00:32:26.210 --> 00:32:28.350
Scott Martin: into a pattern for myself.
00:32:29.210 --> 00:32:34.310
Scott Martin: And it wasn't long before I described it as the fog rolled in where my brain
00:32:34.310 --> 00:32:37.130
Scott Martin: would just shut down and I had no idea.
00:32:37.330 --> 00:32:41.550
Scott Martin: I lost the sense of feeling, which is tough. And I think emotionally I lost
00:32:41.550 --> 00:32:42.650
Scott Martin: the sense of feeling as well.
00:32:43.350 --> 00:32:47.570
Scott Martin: That's where I started getting into the fog. And there are so many things that
00:32:47.570 --> 00:32:49.310
Scott Martin: were going on at the time, Kevin.
00:32:49.530 --> 00:32:53.350
Scott Martin: I had a foot that wouldn't heal. I had multiple operations. that I would scoot
00:32:53.350 --> 00:32:54.890
Scott Martin: around in the apartment on my knees.
00:32:55.090 --> 00:32:57.710
Scott Martin: I did that twice for a month at a time after surgeries.
00:32:58.070 --> 00:33:02.430
Scott Martin: I mean, it's just, God, it was difficult. But I was still running a soccer program,
00:33:02.450 --> 00:33:04.270
Scott Martin: and that's what I focused on.
00:33:04.690 --> 00:33:07.990
Scott Martin: We still had nationally ranked teams. How I did that, I don't know.
00:33:08.290 --> 00:33:12.670
Scott Martin: But I think it's because I pushed aside all my emotions, and I just focused
00:33:12.670 --> 00:33:15.150
Scott Martin: on the game and the program.
00:33:15.930 --> 00:33:16.390
Kevin Lowe: So...
00:33:17.525 --> 00:33:24.205
Kevin Lowe: How did you physically continue running this program?
00:33:24.465 --> 00:33:31.005
Kevin Lowe: I mean, because I guess, I mean, were you in a wheelchair and having to be? No.
00:33:31.445 --> 00:33:37.365
Scott Martin: No wheelchair. And when I ended up getting back driving, I've never parked in
00:33:37.365 --> 00:33:40.645
Scott Martin: a handicap spot or a disabled spot.
00:33:40.925 --> 00:33:45.425
Scott Martin: No, I refuse to do that. I think probably for my own attitude,
00:33:45.725 --> 00:33:47.425
Scott Martin: here's one way to summarize it.
00:33:47.525 --> 00:33:50.845
Scott Martin: Kevin is, in the beginning, when I first got out of the hospital,
00:33:51.165 --> 00:33:52.725
Scott Martin: it took me three hours to get dressed.
00:33:53.570 --> 00:33:57.130
Scott Martin: Yeah i it was wow yeah
00:33:57.130 --> 00:34:00.030
Scott Martin: i mean that was even after by the time i i left
00:34:00.030 --> 00:34:03.590
Scott Martin: the hospital i had my my electric hands i wasn't
00:34:03.590 --> 00:34:07.770
Scott Martin: wearing hooks i was switched over to these my electric hands that kind of work
00:34:07.770 --> 00:34:12.410
Scott Martin: like hands they open and close but uh still wasn't you know trying to learn
00:34:12.410 --> 00:34:18.390
Scott Martin: everything i can wow but i never i i didn't get mad really i didn't get mad
00:34:18.390 --> 00:34:22.910
Scott Martin: it was just okay accept it i I accepted failure,
00:34:23.330 --> 00:34:26.230
Scott Martin: which is, it was tough, but that's what I had to do.
00:34:26.410 --> 00:34:31.110
Scott Martin: It was like, for me, it was like learning how to make a soccer ball do funky
00:34:31.110 --> 00:34:34.610
Scott Martin: things, to make a bender on a wall of six players or something,
00:34:34.870 --> 00:34:38.170
Scott Martin: to make it dip underneath a crossbar and a goalkeeper.
00:34:38.610 --> 00:34:42.050
Scott Martin: And that was just go out, repetition, repetition, repetition,
00:34:42.450 --> 00:34:45.630
Scott Martin: make a mistake, make a mistake, go run after the ball, bring it back,
00:34:45.810 --> 00:34:47.270
Scott Martin: go run after the ball, same thing.
00:34:47.570 --> 00:34:49.690
Scott Martin: And I just went, okay, I dropped a glass.
00:34:50.350 --> 00:34:55.830
Scott Martin: I'll clean it up. And then just to the point where I didn't have to think about
00:34:55.830 --> 00:34:58.310
Scott Martin: it anymore. It became second nature. That was a long time.
00:34:58.590 --> 00:34:58.970
Kevin Lowe: Yeah.
00:34:59.590 --> 00:35:00.150
Scott Martin: A lot of work.
00:35:00.310 --> 00:35:09.650
Kevin Lowe: Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Now, what about the prosthetics in terms of both your hands?
00:35:09.850 --> 00:35:12.730
Kevin Lowe: And do you have prosthetics for your feet?
00:35:13.170 --> 00:35:17.090
Scott Martin: Yeah, they're called AFOs. They're braces. I mean, there's a story in that.
00:35:17.170 --> 00:35:22.070
Scott Martin: And that comes up in the book, too, Kevin. about, it reached one point where
00:35:22.070 --> 00:35:27.890
Scott Martin: somebody said, oh, just do a baloney amputation because after my foot kept opening
00:35:27.890 --> 00:35:29.870
Scott Martin: up, I'm like, no, this isn't happening.
00:35:30.030 --> 00:35:33.490
Scott Martin: Finally, get into a point where I found a prosthetist who knew of a solution.
00:35:34.190 --> 00:35:38.970
Scott Martin: And since that time, it's been eight years now, foot doesn't open up anymore
00:35:38.970 --> 00:35:41.130
Scott Martin: because someone solved the problem.
00:35:42.056 --> 00:35:45.216
Scott Martin: Which was fantastic. Yeah.
00:35:45.696 --> 00:35:53.156
Kevin Lowe: Wow. Okay. So the team that you were coaching when this happened,
00:35:53.496 --> 00:35:57.096
Kevin Lowe: how did they respond afterwards?
00:35:57.716 --> 00:36:01.756
Kevin Lowe: You're still showing up. Did you notice a change in them?
00:36:01.976 --> 00:36:08.056
Scott Martin: So I was in the hospital. I was in rehab when they started the season on an East Coast trip.
00:36:08.136 --> 00:36:11.696
Scott Martin: They were taking a coach bus at the time. And they set all this up.
00:36:12.056 --> 00:36:17.756
Scott Martin: NBC National News covered the team coming to visit me on their way out east.
00:36:18.076 --> 00:36:21.636
Scott Martin: And I hope I don't tear up here. They stopped in and everybody crammed into
00:36:21.636 --> 00:36:25.636
Scott Martin: the hospital room and everything. And I didn't know that they were coming.
00:36:26.196 --> 00:36:30.716
Scott Martin: So I was just, oh my God. I mean, it felt good and it felt bad.
00:36:30.716 --> 00:36:34.416
Scott Martin: And I was embarrassed, but it was also nice to see all of them.
00:36:34.776 --> 00:36:39.276
Scott Martin: You know, our goalkeeper, a lot of people had to help out when I was gone for
00:36:39.276 --> 00:36:42.356
Scott Martin: five months with my apartment. And they had people had to get into my apartment
00:36:42.356 --> 00:36:43.236
Scott Martin: and take care of the cats.
00:36:43.676 --> 00:36:49.936
Scott Martin: Players and other coaches and hall directors and friends would come in and they organize it all.
00:36:50.536 --> 00:36:56.896
Scott Martin: And our goalkeeper, because sometimes I had a green Adidas, emerald green Adidas
00:36:56.896 --> 00:37:00.316
Scott Martin: goalkeeper jersey that I'd like to wear sometimes if I was training her.
00:37:00.616 --> 00:37:05.436
Scott Martin: She wore that all season. She took it out of my closet and she wore it for me.
00:37:05.876 --> 00:37:12.016
Scott Martin: And she was all American that year. And I just, what she did,
00:37:12.316 --> 00:37:14.816
Scott Martin: Diane Kelsch, that was just amazing.
00:37:15.156 --> 00:37:19.756
Scott Martin: She also, here we go, Kev. I transferred hospitals up to Eau Claire and Diane
00:37:19.756 --> 00:37:23.796
Scott Martin: in the afternoons would come over, put me in a wheelchair, take me down,
00:37:24.136 --> 00:37:26.376
Scott Martin: kind of throw me into her truck, her little pickup truck.
00:37:26.976 --> 00:37:30.996
Scott Martin: Throw the wheelchair in the back, take me over to training. And I would train her.
00:37:32.536 --> 00:37:37.496
Scott Martin: And yeah, and Cindy Kapersky, my assistant who was filling in for me,
00:37:37.636 --> 00:37:39.236
Scott Martin: she trained the field players and I worked with Diane.
00:37:39.696 --> 00:37:41.456
Scott Martin: And somehow she, you know,
00:37:42.615 --> 00:37:46.975
Scott Martin: amazing that season you know first team all-american it was just wow it was
00:37:46.975 --> 00:37:50.835
Scott Martin: crazy it's just great yeah looking back on it yeah that'd make a damn good movie
00:37:50.835 --> 00:37:58.235
Scott Martin: wouldn't it it was pretty fun a lot a lot of we got together like eight years
00:37:58.235 --> 00:38:01.195
Scott Martin: ago for something and saw them again,
00:38:01.755 --> 00:38:06.795
Scott Martin: a bunch of the players and you know a lot of them are parents now might be a
00:38:06.795 --> 00:38:09.135
Scott Martin: couple of grandparents A couple have passed away.
00:38:09.795 --> 00:38:14.915
Scott Martin: Yeah. Time goes on and kids grow up and they have. Yeah.
00:38:15.595 --> 00:38:22.255
Kevin Lowe: Yeah. But what you just shared, man, that's just, to me, that's the good stuff.
00:38:22.715 --> 00:38:29.515
Kevin Lowe: Is so many times we feel like the world is so cruel because it is.
00:38:29.855 --> 00:38:35.475
Kevin Lowe: Until you get down to an individual level and you get to realize how amazing
00:38:35.475 --> 00:38:40.735
Kevin Lowe: the world is. and what a beautiful example of it. Oh my gosh.
00:38:41.055 --> 00:38:44.475
Kevin Lowe: Yeah, that's absolutely incredible. I love it. I love it.
00:38:44.675 --> 00:38:49.075
Kevin Lowe: Well, so talk to me about life.
00:38:49.595 --> 00:38:55.195
Kevin Lowe: What happens? Where do you go? What starts you on a journey to get you kind
00:38:55.195 --> 00:38:57.615
Kevin Lowe: of into a next chapter of life?
00:38:57.895 --> 00:39:02.635
Scott Martin: So four more years, I coached for four more years. The program wasn't as good.
00:39:02.735 --> 00:39:04.215
Scott Martin: My recruiting wasn't as good.
00:39:04.755 --> 00:39:08.855
Scott Martin: I lost my confidence in just approaching players like, hey, you know,
00:39:08.915 --> 00:39:12.055
Scott Martin: it used to be, hey, I coached at the university. I think you could play.
00:39:12.215 --> 00:39:14.815
Scott Martin: You know, let's talk about what you might be wanting to study.
00:39:15.035 --> 00:39:19.455
Scott Martin: I stopped doing that because a cold call was difficult with me.
00:39:20.035 --> 00:39:22.855
Scott Martin: You know, I lost my confidence. And for an athlete.
00:39:24.025 --> 00:39:28.445
Scott Martin: That's not good. So a couple of things also happened.
00:39:28.965 --> 00:39:34.525
Scott Martin: I ended up resigning and I knew I just needed to break myself down in order
00:39:34.525 --> 00:39:37.645
Scott Martin: to build myself back up. So I resigned.
00:39:38.825 --> 00:39:43.525
Scott Martin: Right after I resigned, I went out east for a couple of interviews,
00:39:43.945 --> 00:39:50.385
Scott Martin: came across one bad example of discrimination that I mentioned in the book. Oh, yeah.
00:39:50.605 --> 00:39:55.165
Scott Martin: I went from a white guy in athletics, you know doors are open as long as you
00:39:55.165 --> 00:40:01.445
Scott Martin: prove yourself if you win yeah go next step to being disabled yes that's a big
00:40:01.445 --> 00:40:07.885
Scott Martin: switch and i came across still do people thinking lesser of me,
00:40:08.845 --> 00:40:14.245
Scott Martin: before matches oh god kev yeah i think we do a good job putting all in the book
00:40:14.245 --> 00:40:18.305
Scott Martin: about discrimination side and how things have still not changed so much,
00:40:19.902 --> 00:40:26.602
Scott Martin: And there was a little thing about a two-week, $10 million medical malpractice lawsuit in there.
00:40:27.642 --> 00:40:30.642
Kevin Lowe: Okay. Yeah. Just throw that in there.
00:40:30.762 --> 00:40:35.742
Scott Martin: Just throw that in at you, Kevin. Remember when I said, when I presented myself
00:40:35.742 --> 00:40:39.982
Scott Martin: the first time they released me, well, temperature of about 103,
00:40:40.282 --> 00:40:41.502
Scott Martin: it didn't check my blood.
00:40:42.342 --> 00:40:46.762
Scott Martin: And kind of wish they would have, because that's, the trial came down to,
00:40:46.942 --> 00:40:49.042
Scott Martin: they said one thing and we said another.
00:40:49.182 --> 00:40:52.262
Scott Martin: And perception is key that's actually
00:40:52.262 --> 00:40:55.322
Scott Martin: the title of one of the chapters perception is key how things
00:40:55.322 --> 00:40:58.902
Scott Martin: are perceived so yeah after that without telling
00:40:58.902 --> 00:41:02.742
Scott Martin: you exactly what happened in trials in the book i sold
00:41:02.742 --> 00:41:06.222
Scott Martin: everything threw away all my awards and everything
00:41:06.222 --> 00:41:08.942
Scott Martin: everything it didn't fit in my car my cat bogart and
00:41:08.942 --> 00:41:12.542
Scott Martin: i headed west ended up in washington state
00:41:12.542 --> 00:41:15.582
Scott Martin: and i was working uh as an unpaid assistant
00:41:15.582 --> 00:41:18.882
Scott Martin: out there with a deal for the guy to him
00:41:18.882 --> 00:41:21.642
Scott Martin: he was very well known for the guy to help me get into the
00:41:21.642 --> 00:41:25.782
Scott Martin: next step get back into coaching and he happened to know somebody at Gonzaga
00:41:25.782 --> 00:41:32.002
Scott Martin: who was leaving so that's when that didn't work out the way I anticipated again
00:41:32.002 --> 00:41:36.922
Scott Martin: I'll just leave it for readers to go find that out yeah and one night was watching
00:41:36.922 --> 00:41:41.222
Scott Martin: a news program about a disaster that was going on in Haiti and there were some orphan children.
00:41:42.542 --> 00:41:44.422
Scott Martin: And like something went off of
00:41:44.422 --> 00:41:47.822
Scott Martin: me. Wow, I'm supposed to do something about this. I'll cut to the chase.
00:41:48.042 --> 00:41:51.842
Scott Martin: A year and a half later, a little boy and a little girl from Romania came home.
00:41:52.562 --> 00:41:56.242
Scott Martin: I was no longer coaching. A year after that, a little boy from Ethiopia.
00:41:56.862 --> 00:42:00.382
Scott Martin: Two years after that, a little girl from Ethiopia. And two years after that,
00:42:00.942 --> 00:42:02.982
Scott Martin: another little girl from Ethiopia came home.
00:42:03.162 --> 00:42:07.262
Scott Martin: So I went from being a soccer coach to running five kids as a basketball coach, I guess.
00:42:07.682 --> 00:42:11.022
Scott Martin: You know, the way things were as a full-time parent of all these toddlers.
00:42:11.802 --> 00:42:17.002
Scott Martin: So, I mean, I was, I left coaching unless one of them, some,
00:42:17.102 --> 00:42:18.562
Scott Martin: you know, one of them was playing rec.
00:42:19.308 --> 00:42:24.648
Scott Martin: To help out. And that was to get away from just that, the physicality side,
00:42:24.808 --> 00:42:29.308
Scott Martin: just being Tata, which is Romanian for father, just did that.
00:42:29.808 --> 00:42:34.588
Scott Martin: So yeah, that was a bit of a change in life. But I think it was needed.
00:42:35.588 --> 00:42:45.248
Kevin Lowe: Yeah. Wow. Wow. I mean, you definitely are an example of changes in seasons
00:42:45.248 --> 00:42:49.348
Kevin Lowe: of our life In the most radical of ways possible.
00:42:49.968 --> 00:42:54.748
Scott Martin: You betcha. There's a Wisconsin phrase for you. You betcha.
00:42:55.008 --> 00:42:55.348
Kevin Lowe: Yes.
00:42:57.388 --> 00:43:02.888
Kevin Lowe: Wow, wow, wow. Okay. Wow, yeah, we could do a whole interview just on that one
00:43:02.888 --> 00:43:07.508
Kevin Lowe: piece of you adopting all of these children. That's crazy.
00:43:07.508 --> 00:43:12.988
Scott Martin: Well, you know, in the book, we use it as a bridge to go from following the
00:43:12.988 --> 00:43:17.148
Scott Martin: trial into coaching again, returning 20 years later.
00:43:17.628 --> 00:43:20.228
Scott Martin: So the kids are just, I didn't want to, none of the names are in,
00:43:20.448 --> 00:43:22.388
Scott Martin: don't want to get them involved or anything.
00:43:22.568 --> 00:43:26.008
Scott Martin: It was just an example of one chapter about how this went through,
00:43:26.068 --> 00:43:28.328
Scott Martin: you know, the politics of getting them home.
00:43:28.528 --> 00:43:30.988
Scott Martin: Senator Patty Murray had to come in for the two from Romania.
00:43:31.849 --> 00:43:34.929
Scott Martin: The three from Ethiopia all experienced their parents dying of AIDS.
00:43:35.149 --> 00:43:39.329
Scott Martin: It's just, that was, that would have been too much.
00:43:39.509 --> 00:43:45.089
Scott Martin: As I learned from earlier publishers, that was too much, that whole thing.
00:43:45.349 --> 00:43:47.909
Scott Martin: So we'll capsulize it for you as well. Okay.
00:43:48.309 --> 00:43:57.809
Kevin Lowe: Yes. Yes. Okay. So that bridges us to you getting back into coaching again. Yes.
00:43:58.469 --> 00:44:02.649
Kevin Lowe: And a very different team than maybe you'd been used to.
00:44:03.029 --> 00:44:08.089
Kevin Lowe: And so I've been very excited for us to get to this part of the story because,
00:44:08.289 --> 00:44:09.329
Kevin Lowe: ladies and gentlemen, if you've
00:44:09.329 --> 00:44:14.649
Kevin Lowe: been like, oh, my gosh, this story is depressing and crazy and all this.
00:44:14.789 --> 00:44:20.129
Kevin Lowe: Well, now here's the whole kicker. And I believe this is the whole kind of hook
00:44:20.129 --> 00:44:23.589
Kevin Lowe: that you even reached out to me in the first place. And I was like,
00:44:23.969 --> 00:44:26.369
Kevin Lowe: whoa, this sounds like yet another movie.
00:44:26.369 --> 00:44:29.309
Scott Martin: It was pretty wild yeah i love
00:44:29.309 --> 00:44:32.629
Scott Martin: the chapter the chapter's called soccer rants when the
00:44:32.629 --> 00:44:35.629
Scott Martin: kids introduced it was 20 years after i
00:44:35.629 --> 00:44:38.669
Scott Martin: left gonzaga and my youngest
00:44:38.669 --> 00:44:41.489
Scott Martin: was firmly in high school i said
00:44:41.489 --> 00:44:44.109
Scott Martin: okay time for me to get back here's where a little
00:44:44.109 --> 00:44:47.069
Scott Martin: bit more life is cruel stuff
00:44:47.069 --> 00:44:51.549
Scott Martin: comes in first okay uh yes we're
00:44:51.549 --> 00:44:54.589
Scott Martin: living in bellingham washington at the time and there was a very large soccer
00:44:54.589 --> 00:44:57.589
Scott Martin: club where parents would spend thousands of
00:44:57.589 --> 00:45:00.609
Scott Martin: dollars for their kids with the expectation of them
00:45:00.609 --> 00:45:05.789
Scott Martin: being prepared for possibly signing scholarships for college and maybe going
00:45:05.789 --> 00:45:09.889
Scott Martin: on playing pro national team whatever i mean there there were examples of that
00:45:09.889 --> 00:45:16.049
Scott Martin: so and with my experience which you all are fully aware of now i came in and
00:45:16.049 --> 00:45:19.049
Scott Martin: was hired not to coach uh the a team,
00:45:19.569 --> 00:45:23.849
Scott Martin: not to coach a B team but to coach a C team of 12 year olds.
00:45:25.718 --> 00:45:28.398
Scott Martin: From the director of coaching you wouldn't shake my
00:45:28.398 --> 00:45:31.458
Scott Martin: hand so i think i have an idea about why i
00:45:31.458 --> 00:45:34.498
Scott Martin: was coaching yes which but you
00:45:34.498 --> 00:45:37.778
Scott Martin: know what kevin this is what how life
00:45:37.778 --> 00:45:41.518
Scott Martin: just kind of bites other people in the butt because i
00:45:41.518 --> 00:45:44.978
Scott Martin: think it backfired on them because i i
00:45:44.978 --> 00:45:48.638
Scott Martin: attended the two uh tryouts and
00:45:48.638 --> 00:45:51.858
Scott Martin: a team coach tended to take bigger players
00:45:51.858 --> 00:45:54.758
Scott Martin: b team coach took the next size players i had kind of
00:45:54.758 --> 00:45:57.638
Scott Martin: the runts and my kids didn't show so
00:45:57.638 --> 00:46:01.218
Scott Martin: well in control type environment because they
00:46:01.218 --> 00:46:07.298
Scott Martin: lack confidence because I think because they were shorter and they nobody expected
00:46:07.298 --> 00:46:12.698
Scott Martin: much out of them they just kind of fit that role well here I came in on you
00:46:12.698 --> 00:46:16.818
Scott Martin: know what and I mentioned kids out I won't go into too much here people can
00:46:16.818 --> 00:46:20.798
Scott Martin: read it I had one kid that could do this one kid like wow oh,
00:46:21.758 --> 00:46:26.098
Scott Martin: they left me some pretty good players to work with here. All right,
00:46:26.238 --> 00:46:27.358
Scott Martin: I think we can do something.
00:46:28.338 --> 00:46:32.778
Scott Martin: So we started getting together. And in the book,
00:46:32.918 --> 00:46:38.998
Scott Martin: again, I think we do a pretty good job of the kids coming to get to know me
00:46:38.998 --> 00:46:43.978
Scott Martin: and understand me and being a disabled person and having a disabled coach.
00:46:43.978 --> 00:46:50.858
Scott Martin: And through the book and the kids and myself, I think we're able to explain.
00:46:52.437 --> 00:46:57.437
Scott Martin: What it's like to be disabled. I mean, at least for my disability and some examples
00:46:57.437 --> 00:46:59.217
Scott Martin: of being disabled in the world.
00:47:00.177 --> 00:47:04.397
Scott Martin: So we get together and we work through everything and it kind of comes out,
00:47:04.477 --> 00:47:08.417
Scott Martin: but I know you want to get into, you know, how the whole thing went.
00:47:09.597 --> 00:47:16.097
Kevin Lowe: Yeah, yeah. So I'm curious to know, you kind of, you get stuck,
00:47:16.337 --> 00:47:17.897
Kevin Lowe: we'll say, we'll use that terminology.
00:47:18.017 --> 00:47:20.477
Kevin Lowe: You get stuck with these kids.
00:47:20.477 --> 00:47:20.797
Scott Martin: Yeah.
00:47:21.297 --> 00:47:26.397
Kevin Lowe: And now it's up to you to do something with them. So you just bust out the boom
00:47:26.397 --> 00:47:27.837
Kevin Lowe: box and say, let's get to work.
00:47:28.137 --> 00:47:32.957
Scott Martin: Pretty much, man. Pretty much. Pretty much. Yeah.
00:47:33.817 --> 00:47:38.777
Scott Martin: Music came and not in the first session, but it was get to know you sort of thing.
00:47:38.777 --> 00:47:46.497
Scott Martin: The hardest thing, Kevin, was to get these kids to turn away from structure
00:47:46.497 --> 00:47:51.497
Scott Martin: and start playing the game like I wanted them to,
00:47:51.557 --> 00:47:54.197
Scott Martin: or the freedom I wanted them to feel.
00:47:54.657 --> 00:47:58.657
Scott Martin: They lack confidence. Well, there's nothing better to boost one's confidence
00:47:58.657 --> 00:48:01.337
Scott Martin: than to be told, okay, go play.
00:48:01.657 --> 00:48:07.017
Scott Martin: Just play. Stop thinking. I always had a phrase. Here's where the title of the book comes out.
00:48:07.317 --> 00:48:11.017
Scott Martin: I always had a phrase I use, turn off your brain and play from your heart.
00:48:11.277 --> 00:48:13.197
Scott Martin: Well, that's too long of a book title.
00:48:14.077 --> 00:48:14.477
Kevin Lowe: Yes.
00:48:14.917 --> 00:48:17.717
Scott Martin: And it's not as catchy. So turn off your brain is,
00:48:18.634 --> 00:48:22.414
Scott Martin: play without thinking because that's where the beauty that's where the jackson
00:48:22.414 --> 00:48:27.794
Scott Martin: pollock paint drip painting comes in how i see it the freedom to play so you
00:48:27.794 --> 00:48:31.454
Scott Martin: don't have to think about it you just do it then you can play from your heart
00:48:31.454 --> 00:48:35.214
Scott Martin: bing there's this head for sure yeah so,
00:48:35.874 --> 00:48:38.954
Scott Martin: that's what i worked on and god
00:48:38.954 --> 00:48:41.834
Scott Martin: that was the most difficult thing was to get
00:48:41.834 --> 00:48:46.034
Scott Martin: them to just turn off their brains first and
00:48:46.034 --> 00:48:49.694
Scott Martin: then you can't play from your heart unless you're
00:48:49.694 --> 00:48:52.574
Scott Martin: confident and that was a difficult thing
00:48:52.574 --> 00:48:55.874
Scott Martin: as well especially because they're males you know
00:48:55.874 --> 00:48:58.794
Scott Martin: they're they're 12 and maybe 13 year old just turning 13
00:48:58.794 --> 00:49:02.114
Scott Martin: some of them males and society's pounding
00:49:02.114 --> 00:49:05.094
Scott Martin: them with all this maleness and trying
00:49:05.094 --> 00:49:07.894
Scott Martin: to be this way and now except to make mistakes that was another
00:49:07.894 --> 00:49:11.934
Scott Martin: one of my statements to them you're not training properly unless you make mistakes
00:49:11.934 --> 00:49:18.914
Scott Martin: so go freaking make some mistakes and try something new so there was a process
00:49:18.914 --> 00:49:24.554
Scott Martin: involved in there yeah yeah summer was interesting so i'll let you you tell
00:49:24.554 --> 00:49:26.654
Scott Martin: me where you want to go with this guy yeah.
00:49:26.654 --> 00:49:34.094
Kevin Lowe: Yeah well well please share with me the season starts i mean how how does it go
00:49:34.094 --> 00:49:37.314
Scott Martin: Okay so we have an a team and a b team.
00:49:38.074 --> 00:49:42.354
Scott Martin: And I don't see a difference. So I go up to the A team coach and say,
00:49:42.434 --> 00:49:45.614
Scott Martin: hey, you want to scrimmage each other on a weekly basis?
00:49:46.134 --> 00:49:50.294
Scott Martin: No. Well, I knew what that was. I mean, he would look silly. Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:50.974 --> 00:49:55.154
Scott Martin: So I went to Jose, the B team coach. He said, hell yeah, let's do this.
00:49:55.434 --> 00:50:00.074
Scott Martin: So every Wednesday, the B team and the C team would get together and scrimmage.
00:50:00.314 --> 00:50:04.274
Scott Martin: So the first time we scrimmaged each other, B team whooped us, seven zip.
00:50:05.752 --> 00:50:11.532
Scott Martin: And so you know where I'm going from here then. It's just, okay, now we have a baseline.
00:50:12.052 --> 00:50:15.552
Scott Martin: I had to make them first change their view of that other team.
00:50:16.212 --> 00:50:19.692
Scott Martin: We said, oh, they're the B team and we're the C team. No, no,
00:50:19.752 --> 00:50:21.432
Scott Martin: no. They're another team in a club.
00:50:21.872 --> 00:50:24.792
Scott Martin: And it's our objective to get to a point where we can beat them.
00:50:24.912 --> 00:50:29.092
Scott Martin: So we have to work together. So we started training, doing our things and working.
00:50:29.232 --> 00:50:31.652
Scott Martin: This is the summer because Washington State is different.
00:50:32.152 --> 00:50:35.472
Scott Martin: Summer is for tournaments. Fall is for league play. so
00:50:35.472 --> 00:50:38.292
Scott Martin: we had five tournaments that summer first match
00:50:38.292 --> 00:50:41.512
Scott Martin: we played we won but but and
00:50:41.512 --> 00:50:44.332
Scott Martin: i knew this was going to happen it's like okay you guys
00:50:44.332 --> 00:50:47.052
Scott Martin: are cocky well cocky excuse me you guys are
00:50:47.052 --> 00:50:49.892
Scott Martin: arrogant cocky's good i think cocky is good i
00:50:49.892 --> 00:50:52.772
Scott Martin: wanted to play cocky i want to become cut i didn't want to be arrogant
00:50:52.772 --> 00:50:55.392
Scott Martin: though so it went into the second match going okay i'm not going to
00:50:55.392 --> 00:50:58.232
Scott Martin: touch this i'm gonna let them learn a lesson this is our first tournament
00:50:58.232 --> 00:51:01.572
Scott Martin: it doesn't really matter what we do they went
00:51:01.572 --> 00:51:05.212
Scott Martin: in and lost you know i wonder why
00:51:05.212 --> 00:51:08.512
Scott Martin: guys you know we talked about that that
00:51:08.512 --> 00:51:11.452
Scott Martin: was a pivot point though kevin i think i wonder
00:51:11.452 --> 00:51:16.652
Scott Martin: why you idiots because you thought that you could do anything no you need to
00:51:16.652 --> 00:51:20.832
Scott Martin: work change it so we made it out of our group we got into the playoffs and then
00:51:20.832 --> 00:51:25.372
Scott Martin: lost but that was okay but they won a couple of matches and they got to feel
00:51:25.372 --> 00:51:28.572
Scott Martin: now we're starting now we're starting to get together,
00:51:29.192 --> 00:51:32.392
Scott Martin: I think it was the next week or so we tied the B team.
00:51:33.232 --> 00:51:36.172
Scott Martin: Now it's coming we get into the next tournament.
00:51:37.188 --> 00:51:43.828
Scott Martin: And make it out of our group. We actually won our group, and we made it to the semifinal.
00:51:44.008 --> 00:51:45.368
Scott Martin: I think we lost in the semifinal.
00:51:45.928 --> 00:51:50.808
Scott Martin: Okay, here we go. Now, a couple weeks later, I think we go to the next tournament,
00:51:51.068 --> 00:51:54.288
Scott Martin: and we get to the final. Okay, good.
00:51:55.248 --> 00:52:00.388
Scott Martin: Losing the final. All right. And they didn't play their best because I think
00:52:00.388 --> 00:52:02.488
Scott Martin: it was their first time they'd ever really been there.
00:52:02.668 --> 00:52:04.848
Scott Martin: So, all right, it's a stepping stone.
00:52:05.208 --> 00:52:08.328
Scott Martin: Next week, I think we beat the B team. Next tournament comes around,
00:52:08.908 --> 00:52:14.208
Scott Martin: play well, winner group, go undefeated, get to the final again, lose the final again.
00:52:14.688 --> 00:52:21.908
Scott Martin: So now it's starting to set up with, all right, let's see where this thing goes from here.
00:52:22.768 --> 00:52:27.828
Scott Martin: While training continues, you know, we're really heavy into playing music now.
00:52:27.988 --> 00:52:30.788
Scott Martin: And now they're understanding just the freedom that they're,
00:52:30.868 --> 00:52:33.028
Scott Martin: they're accepting the freedom I've given them.
00:52:34.148 --> 00:52:37.208
Scott Martin: And now we get into our fifth and final
00:52:37.208 --> 00:52:39.988
Scott Martin: tournament of the summer and here we
00:52:39.988 --> 00:52:43.228
Scott Martin: are you know win our group play the quarter
00:52:43.228 --> 00:52:46.328
Scott Martin: final play the semi-final win that get into the final and
00:52:46.328 --> 00:52:49.328
Scott Martin: here we are against this lime green team with this
00:52:49.328 --> 00:52:52.448
Scott Martin: kid i explain in the book that just drives me
00:52:52.448 --> 00:52:55.168
Scott Martin: crazy because he's so coughed and
00:52:55.168 --> 00:52:58.688
Scott Martin: he's just beautiful he just shines shoes
00:52:58.688 --> 00:53:01.388
Scott Martin: and everything and i'll let
00:53:01.388 --> 00:53:04.528
Scott Martin: the readers find that one out we ended up losing in
00:53:04.528 --> 00:53:10.808
Scott Martin: the final again but we then had end of the summer evaluations and every single
00:53:10.808 --> 00:53:15.408
Scott Martin: one of those kids when i asked them how did they feel losing that last match
00:53:15.408 --> 00:53:21.588
Scott Martin: and they were crying and they said it hurt it hurt i knew i had them.
00:53:22.829 --> 00:53:28.849
Scott Martin: It hurt. Therefore, they had gained the confidence to expect to win.
00:53:29.289 --> 00:53:32.569
Scott Martin: So now we've done a full 180.
00:53:33.669 --> 00:53:41.769
Scott Martin: Now is the most important time. And we get into the 18 match long three or three
00:53:41.769 --> 00:53:46.269
Scott Martin: or four months playing 18 matches, stately season.
00:53:46.709 --> 00:53:49.849
Scott Martin: So let me go from there. You want to? yeah yes please
00:53:49.849 --> 00:53:53.429
Scott Martin: all right here we go first first match
00:53:53.429 --> 00:53:56.929
Scott Martin: we're playing outside of seattle beautiful playing
00:53:56.929 --> 00:54:00.449
Scott Martin: fields and everything we're up on this team 1-0 i
00:54:00.449 --> 00:54:03.129
Scott Martin: swear to god this is what happened and i said exactly how i wrote it the
00:54:03.129 --> 00:54:06.329
Scott Martin: book as well kevin a ball is served into our
00:54:06.329 --> 00:54:09.709
Scott Martin: box to our goalkeeper our goalkeeper goes up one
00:54:09.709 --> 00:54:12.549
Scott Martin: of their players runs into him ball goes off of our
00:54:12.549 --> 00:54:15.569
Scott Martin: goalkeeper's hand and out of bounds and our
00:54:15.569 --> 00:54:19.149
Scott Martin: goalkeeper goes down four seconds we're left
00:54:19.149 --> 00:54:22.309
Scott Martin: referee blows the whistle crosses his arms and
00:54:22.309 --> 00:54:28.729
Scott Martin: stops his watch to stop the clock because he feels that it's most important
00:54:28.729 --> 00:54:33.589
Scott Martin: not to let the game freaking game finish but to stop the clock and take a look
00:54:33.589 --> 00:54:37.589
Scott Martin: at the players both players got right back up but because he stopped the clock
00:54:37.589 --> 00:54:40.809
Scott Martin: but four seconds ago, they have the ball as the corner kick.
00:54:42.049 --> 00:54:46.129
Scott Martin: So it's their free kick out on the side of the field. Here we go.
00:54:46.349 --> 00:54:48.829
Scott Martin: I turn to my assistant. I don't like this.
00:54:49.849 --> 00:54:52.829
Scott Martin: That match should have been over with. So here we go.
00:54:53.789 --> 00:54:58.749
Scott Martin: Referee blows the whistle. They take the corner kick. Here goes the ball across three, two.
00:54:59.189 --> 00:55:03.729
Scott Martin: They go up to try to look to have the ball. My God, the guy gets a head on it.
00:55:03.829 --> 00:55:06.709
Scott Martin: And the whistle blows as the ball goes into the neck.
00:55:07.562 --> 00:55:12.542
Scott Martin: So we tie the first match one to one and we should have won it.
00:55:12.922 --> 00:55:16.342
Scott Martin: Yeah, here we go again. And I was very concerned.
00:55:17.382 --> 00:55:22.922
Scott Martin: Truly, Kevin, I was worried that these kids might revert back to before the summer started.
00:55:23.382 --> 00:55:25.882
Scott Martin: You know, what can we do? We can't, we still can't, you know,
00:55:25.942 --> 00:55:28.242
Scott Martin: this is all against us. They didn't.
00:55:29.302 --> 00:55:34.582
Scott Martin: They didn't. I mean, it's all, you know, we break it down. That lime green team,
00:55:34.762 --> 00:55:36.202
Scott Martin: again, was in our league.
00:55:36.882 --> 00:55:45.642
Scott Martin: Week that we lost that last final to we play them and we beat them and guess
00:55:45.642 --> 00:55:50.282
Scott Martin: who because we get down we go back and forth and going into the final match
00:55:50.282 --> 00:55:53.202
Scott Martin: of the season am i cutting it am i going too fast should.
00:55:53.202 --> 00:55:54.722
Kevin Lowe: I no no no no this is
00:55:54.722 --> 00:55:57.142
Scott Martin: Last match of the season man i mean here's some drama.
00:55:59.342 --> 00:56:02.882
Scott Martin: They're one point ahead of us the lime green team i call them the limeys,
00:56:03.582 --> 00:56:06.302
Scott Martin: they're one point ahead of us so you get three points for a
00:56:06.302 --> 00:56:09.182
Scott Martin: win one point for a tie we were undefeated but we
00:56:09.182 --> 00:56:12.262
Scott Martin: had a couple of ties so they only lost one match
00:56:12.262 --> 00:56:17.542
Scott Martin: so they're a point ahead of us that match was to us final match of the season
00:56:17.542 --> 00:56:23.902
Scott Martin: it's at home against the limeys uh the kid with the coiffed hair isn't playing
00:56:23.902 --> 00:56:26.742
Scott Martin: on the field he's playing in the goal because he's their best overall player
00:56:26.742 --> 00:56:31.022
Scott Martin: all they had to do is tie us and they win the state championship That's all they had to do.
00:56:31.122 --> 00:56:34.582
Scott Martin: So they put their best player in the goal. Uh-oh, I didn't plan for this.
00:56:36.468 --> 00:56:41.888
Scott Martin: So, we had been working on a system of what we were going to do to beat that
00:56:41.888 --> 00:56:44.488
Scott Martin: opponent based on the two other times we've seen them.
00:56:44.668 --> 00:56:46.828
Scott Martin: And the kids are involved in this decision-making, too.
00:56:47.448 --> 00:56:50.548
Scott Martin: Because I always had a thing with my players. I'm going to tend to ask you more
00:56:50.548 --> 00:56:51.808
Scott Martin: questions, and I'm going to tell you what to do.
00:56:53.568 --> 00:56:56.768
Scott Martin: Because if you can respond, and sometimes even if you're wrong,
00:56:56.828 --> 00:57:00.008
Scott Martin: at least if you respond, then you're learning the game.
00:57:00.648 --> 00:57:04.088
Scott Martin: So, we went in. We went up 1-0 in the first half.
00:57:04.488 --> 00:57:07.708
Scott Martin: And I'm thinking, okay, second half. They're going to pull him out of the goal
00:57:07.708 --> 00:57:09.128
Scott Martin: because they're losing now.
00:57:09.328 --> 00:57:12.528
Scott Martin: If they lose to us, we win the state championship.
00:57:13.268 --> 00:57:17.628
Scott Martin: Okay, they're going to put him up top as their forward, their goal scorer.
00:57:18.548 --> 00:57:23.208
Scott Martin: Nice hair, great cleats and everything. He looked great in that lime green. I hate that color.
00:57:25.928 --> 00:57:31.568
Scott Martin: I hate that color. I see that anymore. It reminds me of that kid.
00:57:36.468 --> 00:57:40.408
Scott Martin: I got you, buddy. The second half starts and they put him in a goal.
00:57:40.668 --> 00:57:42.488
Scott Martin: It's like, okay, dummies.
00:57:43.208 --> 00:57:48.908
Scott Martin: So in the first half, it's described in the book, has something to do with the
00:57:48.908 --> 00:57:53.628
Scott Martin: movie Rocky on how from the first fight with Apollo and the second fight and what they do.
00:57:53.908 --> 00:57:58.628
Scott Martin: So we do the same sort of thing to get the kids involved. And I yell Rocky and
00:57:58.628 --> 00:58:01.888
Scott Martin: we switch from going right-handed to left-handed.
00:58:02.088 --> 00:58:05.468
Scott Martin: In the movie, Rocky goes from left-handed to right-handed. So we go right and
00:58:05.468 --> 00:58:09.328
Scott Martin: we switch our point of attack and what we're doing and are over shifting.
00:58:09.528 --> 00:58:13.288
Scott Martin: And anyway, I think I think it's described for non soccer people in the book. I think they'll get it.
00:58:13.628 --> 00:58:13.768
Kevin Lowe: Yeah.
00:58:14.188 --> 00:58:20.428
Scott Martin: So 10 minutes to go. Boom. We hit another one and we go up to zero. Now they're scurrying.
00:58:20.668 --> 00:58:24.388
Scott Martin: They had they yanked their their cutie boy out of the goal.
00:58:24.588 --> 00:58:29.888
Scott Martin: They switch him into a field player jersey. Oh, here we go. And he comes in to play up top.
00:58:30.348 --> 00:58:34.168
Scott Martin: I hate a two goal lead, Kevin, because you think about this.
00:58:34.468 --> 00:58:37.648
Scott Martin: You're up 2-0. The opponent scores one.
00:58:38.108 --> 00:58:40.528
Scott Martin: You drop a little bit, and they go sky high.
00:58:41.528 --> 00:58:45.568
Scott Martin: So then there's a tendency for them to then, if they tie again,
00:58:45.788 --> 00:58:48.128
Scott Martin: there we go. We lose the state championship.
00:58:48.788 --> 00:58:53.268
Scott Martin: So it's all right. We had this ready to go with what we were going to do for them.
00:58:53.428 --> 00:58:58.968
Scott Martin: We changed our style defensively on what we did from the prior matches and all
00:58:58.968 --> 00:59:00.988
Scott Martin: in preparation for holding that lead.
00:59:01.268 --> 00:59:04.808
Scott Martin: Didn't care really if we gave up one, we couldn't give up two.
00:59:05.128 --> 00:59:10.308
Scott Martin: So it was all about milking the clock. And my kids had learned how to milk the clock.
00:59:10.308 --> 00:59:13.168
Scott Martin: Take your time and as you know running in
00:59:13.168 --> 00:59:16.068
Scott Martin: take your time going to get the ball tick tock tick tock
00:59:16.068 --> 00:59:18.948
Scott Martin: so as it goes and the clock ticks
00:59:18.948 --> 00:59:21.948
Scott Martin: down something happens with our goalkeeper it's in
00:59:21.948 --> 00:59:24.828
Scott Martin: the book it's pretty cute and boom we end
00:59:24.828 --> 00:59:27.788
Scott Martin: up winning and those kids i mean parents are
00:59:27.788 --> 00:59:30.828
Scott Martin: going everybody was just that the director
00:59:30.828 --> 00:59:33.988
Scott Martin: of coaching i think i hope it stuck him because he
00:59:33.988 --> 00:59:36.828
Scott Martin: thought at one time he told me just you know
00:59:36.828 --> 00:59:39.648
Scott Martin: it's the c team we we need the money in order to keep the club go
00:59:39.648 --> 00:59:42.508
Scott Martin: like how the hell how dare you so we
00:59:42.508 --> 00:59:45.608
Scott Martin: stuck it to him and ended up going undefeated and
00:59:45.608 --> 00:59:49.708
Scott Martin: winning state championship so wow that
00:59:49.708 --> 00:59:54.188
Scott Martin: was really cool 12 of those kids ended up being advancing to the amb team the
00:59:54.188 --> 00:59:59.768
Scott Martin: next year wow i was very proud of that nothing wow nothing was said to me it
00:59:59.768 --> 01:00:04.128
Scott Martin: was just okay so yeah i came back to wisconsin won another state championship
01:00:04.128 --> 01:00:09.168
Scott Martin: so we did wait i took another group started with four teens.
01:00:09.768 --> 01:00:13.388
Scott Martin: They're all, well, there's one as a senior in high school right now.
01:00:13.648 --> 01:00:16.728
Scott Martin: It was two years ago, but the other ones are in college.
01:00:17.108 --> 01:00:21.648
Scott Martin: Some of them playing soccer in college. So I was very proud of that group too. Good kids.
01:00:22.328 --> 01:00:23.868
Kevin Lowe: Wow. You know what?
01:00:24.748 --> 01:00:31.508
Kevin Lowe: Hit me when I was listening to you is I couldn't help but think that with you
01:00:31.508 --> 01:00:35.468
Kevin Lowe: as their coach, having gone through what you have,
01:00:36.068 --> 01:00:41.788
Kevin Lowe: having overcome what you have, and just the person that you are,
01:00:42.548 --> 01:00:48.228
Kevin Lowe: I have to believe that those kids on your team, they got to learn so much more
01:00:48.228 --> 01:00:50.108
Kevin Lowe: than just how to become a better soccer player.
01:00:50.448 --> 01:00:55.688
Kevin Lowe: They basically had a life coach there with them, teaching them about how to do life.
01:00:55.848 --> 01:00:56.628
Scott Martin: Thank you, Kevin.
01:00:56.948 --> 01:01:04.108
Kevin Lowe: And I do. And I truly mean that. And I have to think those kids came away with
01:01:04.108 --> 01:01:06.548
Kevin Lowe: more than winning, losing.
01:01:06.948 --> 01:01:14.468
Kevin Lowe: They got to learn how to be better people. And I personally feel like that's what a coach is about.
01:01:14.828 --> 01:01:18.988
Kevin Lowe: Yeah. Because, yeah, you want to coach them to win, but you also just want to
01:01:18.988 --> 01:01:21.268
Kevin Lowe: coach them to become better versions of themselves.
01:01:21.968 --> 01:01:26.348
Scott Martin: Yeah. You know, I think I could take this philosophy at the professional level
01:01:26.348 --> 01:01:29.448
Scott Martin: as well, because I think that's one of the things that's missing.
01:01:29.688 --> 01:01:33.288
Scott Martin: I think a professional national teams have kind of, well, I don't know so much
01:01:33.288 --> 01:01:35.308
Scott Martin: about the U.S. teams, what I'm saying.
01:01:35.488 --> 01:01:38.988
Scott Martin: But I think they're passing over the human side because that's what's going
01:01:38.988 --> 01:01:41.008
Scott Martin: to make players play more freely.
01:01:41.288 --> 01:01:46.468
Scott Martin: You know, if they trust, if they know that they are trusted to make decisions
01:01:46.468 --> 01:01:48.488
Scott Martin: on the field, there's one thing.
01:01:49.068 --> 01:01:53.548
Scott Martin: My mouth is shut during a match. I'm taking notes on. What am I going to do
01:01:53.548 --> 01:01:56.788
Scott Martin: yelling on the sideline? The kids should not be listening to me.
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Scott Martin: You watch an NBA game. All the coaches are yelling at us, shut up.
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Scott Martin: Shut up, play. And they will play better if the coach shuts his or her mouth.
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Kevin Lowe: Yep. Yep. I love it. I love it. Well, listen, we've walked through this amazing
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Kevin Lowe: story of yours. We've referenced the book.
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Kevin Lowe: Give us the details as far as what's going on with the book right now,
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Kevin Lowe: when exactly it's going to come out.
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Kevin Lowe: I know right now it's in pre-sale at the time of this episode's release.
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Kevin Lowe: But talk to me about the book, where we can sign up for the pre-sale, all the stuff.
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Scott Martin: Everywhere books are sold. Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Simon & Schuster as our distributor.
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Scott Martin: I mean, that tells you everything right there. It's going to get out there.
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Scott Martin: My publisher, Usher Morgan, is kind of like me.
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Scott Martin: We do a lot of work and we're scattered on everything we do,
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Scott Martin: but we end up getting the job done.
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Scott Martin: But the book drops on June 9, 2026, June 9, book becomes official.
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Scott Martin: And that's two weeks before the World Cup opener down in Mexico City. So we're timing on that.
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Scott Martin: We're doing a long pre-sale because here's my objective, Kevin.
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Scott Martin: I want the book to gain some bestseller lists.
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Scott Martin: That's what I want. And you're not going to sell a memoir to reach that unless
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Scott Martin: it's grassroots, unless it's like this, a positive story during negative times.
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Scott Martin: And we have negative times.
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Scott Martin: So, you know, and what I also want to be doing for the disabled community,
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Scott Martin: because the disabled community is splintered and it needs to be organized.
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Scott Martin: So there's a lot of different things, reasons why we want to be doing this.
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Scott Martin: And I'm doing over 40 podcasts I have scheduled so far, starting in the magazines.
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Scott Martin: United Soccer Coaches, Soccer Journal Magazine is doing a story on us for the winter edition.
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Scott Martin: So that will open doors within the soccer community.
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Scott Martin: So this is full bore. We have three different avenues we're going into,
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Scott Martin: disabled community, soccer community.
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Scott Martin: And I'm really finding a lot of people interested, like your show,
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Scott Martin: the inspirational community. I guess there is a community for that.
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Scott Martin: A lot of people, especially today, Kevin, I think we need something positive.
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Scott Martin: And your show is one of those things because I've listened to some of your episodes
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Scott Martin: and you do a nice job of presenting, you know, inspiration. Well,
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Scott Martin: it's right there in your title.
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Scott Martin: So we have a responsibility and you're taking on your responsibility on what
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Scott Martin: you're doing with that, Kevin. I appreciate that.
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Kevin Lowe: Oh, man. Well, thank you. Well, I am super excited about the book and definitely
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Kevin Lowe: for anybody interested, please check out today's show notes.
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Kevin Lowe: There will be links for you to easily be able to get that pre-sale going right away.
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Kevin Lowe: You bet. And also, if show notes are confusing to you, just go to my website.
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Kevin Lowe: You can go directly to this episode's page, which is simply graceinspiration.com slash Scott-Martin.
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Kevin Lowe: And that will be an easy way for you also to find all the links that you need.
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Kevin Lowe: Because I'm telling you, after hearing the story in this abridged version of
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Kevin Lowe: the book, I am super excited for the book itself.
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Kevin Lowe: And Scott, man, it's been a real pleasure getting to hear your story today.
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Kevin Lowe: And I thank you in the most sincere way for taking the time to be here.
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Scott Martin: Thanks, Kevin. You keep doing what you're doing because we both have responsibility
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Scott Martin: in front of us. So let's make sure that we do our thing. Okay.
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Kevin Lowe: Absolutely, man. That sounds like a plan to me for you, my friend.
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Kevin Lowe: I hope you've enjoyed today's episode.
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Kevin Lowe: Again, please be sure to check out the episode show notes or head on over to
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Kevin Lowe: the episode webpage to be sure that you continue the goodness that is Scott Martin in his book.
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Kevin Lowe: So, my friend, until next time, I'm your host, Kevin Lowe, and this is Grit,
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Kevin Lowe: Grace, and Inspiration.