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directory@quantumbiologycollective.org hi, Kelly

Erickson. Welcome back to the QVC podcast. It is

so good to see you again.

Yes, good to see you as well, Meredith. Thank you

for having me back.

Oh, it's such a pleasure. I love following your

journey. You do such a nice job of sharing on

Instagram. You know, I think it's a real gift for

people who are able to communicate that way

because it reaches so many people. And you do,

like, a really beautiful job.

Thank you very much.

I love that. All right, so you have, like, a

really incredible kind of healing story that is,

as with everybody, ongoing. So let's start with

the circadian piece and tell us sort of how you

came to that and just a high level explanation of

why it matters so, so much.

Sure. So when I began this journey, I had just

gotten sober. I was trying to help my son with

his health stuff, but I also had my own health

issues. I had PTSD and cptsd. And so through the

process of trying to get him back to a state of

wellness, I also was working on myself and

applied anything that I asked him to do. So we

came across the quantum community and we were

told about the ketogenic diet and sunlight. And

so we began to implement it. And I saw rapid

changes, not just in my son, but in myself as

well. I really was just hoping to lose weight.

Like that's what my goal was. I had no idea that

what I was doing was going to have such a

profound impact on me. I had nightmares. I had

significant anxiety, depression, ruminating

thoughts, intrusive thoughts. And so all of this

began to shift, really what I felt really rapidly

because I was over 40 years old and I had

experienced this most of my life. So when I

started to feel these changes, I wanted to know

exactly what was going on. So I began to study. I

followed some really important people on

Instagram and in the quantum community and just

began to absorb as much as I could. And I learned

some really important things, things about our

circadian timing system and how it's in

relationship to our stress management system and

our energy management system. So our circadian

timing system consists of a master clock inside

of our brain, and it's called the suprachiasmatic

nucleus. And then we have these little peripheral

clocks all throughout the body, and they need to

be in sync with each other, in relationship with

each other to communicate about time within the

body. And this tells our hormones and, you know,

all these different processes throughout the body

what time of day they should be functioning. And

so when we use sunlight and really key specific

times of sunlight, we can help reset this system.

And so immediately I saw improvements in my three

sleep, improvements in my mood, but also because

the. The circadian timing system is in

relationship with the stress management system, I

was also better able to regulate my moods and my

emotions. My. I want to be careful how I say this

because I don't want to give the wrong idea, but

I just. I began to feel like a different person.

And. And so through this, you know, the studying

that I did, I discovered there's a lot taking

place inside the body that requires light as a

primary signal in order for it to function

optimally.

Okay, tell us. Tell us a little more about what

you found.

Yeah, so, you know, when we. So my history, like

I said, was PTSD and cptsd. And when we have a

history of trauma, we. We know, we call it

stress. Right? We have a massive amount of

stress, and stress dysregulates the entire

system. But more specifically, emotions

dysregulate the entire system because we don't

have. We're not really taught how to bring

awareness to our emotions. We're not really

taught about how our perception plays into our

emotions or can kind of keep our emotions from

being processed. And so when we don't understand,

process primary emotions, or what I call core

emotions, which are anger, shame, and fear, then

we begin to navigate the world from our space of

perception, or our feelings rather than our

emotions. And our emotions and feelings are very

different from each other. Feelings are emotions

rather are. They're primal, they're instinctual,

they arise immediately. And feelings are the

meaning that we give to the emotions. Most people

live in the state of feeling and their perception

of what's going on, which keeps triggering the

emotional response. And so this leads us to the

nervous system and how we view the nervous system

through the polyvagal theory. So the polyvagal

theory tells us that we have three primary states

of nervous system activation. So we have the

fight response, we have the flight response, we

have the freeze response. And then kind of

collapse or fawn are in there as well. And so the

fight response is associated with anger. That's

the primary emotion that drives that response.

Then we have fear, which drives the flight

response, and we have freeze, which drives or

shame, which drives the freeze response. And we

have problems with nervous system regulation

because we don't know how to navigate those three

primary emotions. And so understanding that these

emotions are core emotions. And emotions are

energy in motion, right? And energy is

information. So these emotions are designed to

inform us about our environment, about our

experience, but we're not using that information.

We're living in a space of feeling, and that's

perception. And our perception is developed from,

you know, beginning stages of life. And it's

largely personality driven. It has a lot to do

with our unique experiences. And so we disconnect

from emotions and we live primarily in feelings.

And this, this creates a disconnect between the

mind and the body because we need to understand

where things are coming from and how our nervous

system is becoming dysregulated. But these three

primary emotions of anger, shame and fear, it's

also what we call the ego, because the ego is

this protective mechanism that is designed to

keep us safe when we're navigating the world. But

if we're stuck in these three primary emotions,

we're essentially stuck in the ego. And this kind

of takes us into the world of consciousness. And

when we look at consciousness through David

Hawkins scale of consciousness, right at the

bottom of the scale we see shame. And there, you

know, and so that's the freeze response again.

And so if, you know, when we go out seeking a

healing journey, there are so many places where

we, we get kind of hung up. So like the first

place people usually seek healing is through

food. That's the most obvious, right? And then

they'll see some improvements with changing their

nutrition. And then maybe they add exercise. And

from exercise they might, you know, add a little

bit of meditation or a little bit of this. But

still they're stuck. And what I get a lot of

clients saying is that they feel like they lack

purpose or that they're disconnected from their

selves, but they are seemingly normal, everyday

people. They can, you know, have jobs and do all

of these things, but they're still very

disconnected. And when I ask them about their

emotional states or their primary nervous system

states, they have a very difficult time

identifying which states they live in and which

emotions that they're primarily experiencing. And

so we begin to use language as a tool to inform

us about what we're experiencing. And I think

there's a lot of language can be a tool or a

weapon. And so developing discernment within

language can be really Helpful in understanding

not just what's happening with inside of us, but

also what we're experiencing in the external

world. And so shame. You know, shame is this

really. This kind of takes us back to our last

podcast together. Sorry if I am jumping around a

little bit, but I was really wanting to explain

this for anyone who may have listened to our last

podcast together, because I really. I messed it

up. I was on the verge of tears the entire time.

I was so worried about getting all of the details

right, and I didn't want to mess things up. And

it's this kind of perfectionistic desire to

control my image and kind of feeling like an

imposter. And when we got off that call, I wanted

to quit everything. I was like, that's it. I'm

never showing my face again. I can't do this. I

don't belong here. And it took me a couple of

weeks to really understand what was happening.

And I was actually listening to a podcast on

homeschooling, and it occurred to me what was

happening. So I view you as an authority in the

field of quantum biology, and I didn't. I mean, I

viewed myself as an authority within my own

framework. But when I was coming to do the

podcast with you, authority to authority, that

kind of. It felt like confrontation in my nervous

system. So I went into freeze mode and I could

not think. Like, I just couldn't recall anything.

I was. I was so confused. And so this led me back

to the work I'd already been doing on

consciousness. And I went back to David Hawkins

book and where he discussed shame. And I was

like, oh, that's what it was. I was experiencing

shame in that moment because I viewed you as an

authority. And when we have shame, it robs us of.

Of our personal authority. It robs us of our own

personal power. And I was like, oh, my gosh, this

is what's happening. I was triggering my own

shame based on my perceptions, based upon a

narrative that I had developed early in childhood

about my own self worth. And I was like, phew.

Now. Oh, my goodness. It was so, you know, the

universe, I think, gives us exactly what we need,

exactly when we need it, but it's what we do with

it that makes or breaks us. And so I could have

gone into a hole and deleted my Instagram profile

and never did the work again and never showed my

face, but instead I was like, okay, I can do this

now that I know what I'm working with. And even

right now, my face is turning a little bit red.

And that kind of indicates that I'm experiencing

a little bit of shame, but I'm not afraid of it

anymore. And because I can identify it and I know

exactly what's happening, it doesn't overwhelm me

in the same way that it did a year ago when we

had that initial podcast. So then through, you

know, all of the work and my studies on quantum

biology and their circadian timing system, what I

then discovered is that emotions and our

experience of time are like in a marriage

together. They're intimately linked up and we

know, or you know, I, I mean, I think it's

definitive that time and space are constructs of

perception. They don't like reality isn't

actually dependent upon them. And our mind is

what creates time in order for us to make sense

of the world. And when we have these emotional

experiences, extremely overwhelming emotional

experiences that we don't process, where we

experience anger, shame, and fear, what we're

doing is we're altering our perception of. Of

time. And it's not just our perception of time,

but it's actually we're messing with our timing

mechanisms within the body. Because, like I said,

that stress management system and the circadian

timing system are in this bi directional

relationship with each other. And so it's like,

oh, my gosh, of course. It's all connected. It's

all wanted.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

And then we come right back, right back to the.

To the circadian piece and how intentionally

living within the natural cycles of that is

regulating our nervous system on an emotional

level.

Yes, Kelly.

Wow. I love it. And I also want to acknowledge

you and thank you for sharing about your

emotional experience and that we, we communicated

briefly about it in messages. But that is like,

you know, first of all, thank you for being

vulnerable enough and brave enough to share what

your experience was and, and to keep going, you

know, and it's just. It's funny. Like, there's a

few things I want to say, right? It's like, it in

my mind, I'm like, I'm just like a lady

interviewing people, and I'm excited to hear

people's stories, but I have had that feedback

multiple times that people feel very nervous. And

so I even. I had invited someone on the podcast

and she didn't write back right away. And I was

like, and I thought of you and I wrote her again.

And I was like, I'm just really excited to hear

your story. And here's what I'm thinking. We're

going to talk about. It's just going to be fun,

you know, and she Was like, oh, okay, thanks. I

was really scared to book it.

Yeah.

And. And I have the same. I have the same thing

too. I went on a bunch of podcasts a couple years

ago, and I wasn't planning to. I had to step in

because I was, like, planning for someone else.

They'd been booked and I was kind of planning for

someone else to do it. So I did it. And I had

that exact, like, every single time. I was like,

oh, my God, what am I doing? I have no business

doing. Yeah. And yeah, I often have people circle

back and be like, I forgot to say this or I

didn't say that. So it's interesting because I do

think that this platform, the platform of

podcasting, which is available to anybody if, you

know, you and Lauren have a beautiful podcast

going now. Like, it really is a personal growth

opportunity in a way that I did not see coming.

Yes, it really is. And to look back at our. The

first episode that Lauren and I recorded together

versus this last episode that we just recorded

with Morley Robbins, it's just a world of

difference. And it's only been a year's time. I

mean, granted, I am someone who does a lot of

personal growth, you know, outside of these

things, but you do. You are confronted with parts

of yourself that maybe you don't get to

experience in your regular day to day

interactions. So. Yeah. Yeah. Vulnerable.

Yeah. And yeah. The authority piece, the being in

the spotlight piece, there's so many different

pieces to it. Okay, so let's circle back to the

circadian and the emotions. So I think this is

really interesting, the difference between

emotions and feelings. So if, if I'm walking and

I realize, like, I'm at the edge of a cliff and

I'm like. And I have that, like, rush of panic

that I'm gonna fall off the edge of the cliff,

and I step back. That's an emotion.

Yes, that's.

And then, okay, so that's fear. And then if I

start thinking like, oh, my God, Meredith, I

can't believe you'd be so stupid as to walk near

the edge of a cliff. And what, am I gonna die?

And then if I die, what's gonna happen to my,

like, those that. That have gone into feelings.

Yes. Yes.

Okay.

Yes. And a lot of people, because they don't

recognize the difference between the two, they

will perpetuate the emotion. That feeling of fear

with the narrative or that self talk that they

keep doing with reliving. Reliving the feelings.

So, like, keep saying to yourself, I'm so stupid,

I can't believe I did that. And every time you do

that, you're re triggering that fear response.

And so your nervous system is just responding

physiologically over and over and over again. And

so a lot of the work that I do with clients is we

start by mapping the nervous system. I have them

write down several times a day their primary

emotions, their primary behaviors, and their

primary symptoms. And then we go back and we see

what emotions, you know, I mean, I can look at it

and see what emotions they're experiencing on a

pretty regular basis. And then we dive into that

narrative and where it was developed as a child.

Like, where did you learn that you were unworthy

or unlovable or whatever it is? Right. And just,

you know, we know from the observer effect, just

that process of observation begins to shift

things pretty massively. And then it's the

healing spiral. We're given opportunities to

revisit each, you know, each emotion over and

over again with a new level of awareness. And

each time you bring a new level of awareness,

you're observing it differently and you're

shifting it again. And so we just keep repeating

this pattern over and over again. And what we're

doing is we're unburdening the heart. So we know

from the HeartMath Institute, right, that there

is heart brain coherence. And when they are out

of sync, primarily due to, you know, these

overwhelming, unprocessed emotions, we have a

very chaotic toroidal field. And this toroidal

field informs our relationship to other people.

And so this is where we can get into, like,

attachment wounds. And if you think about what is

in what information is being sent out from your

heart in that electromagnetic field that extends

up to what, 12, 15ft from your body, what kind of

information are you sending out to the people

you're in relationship to? Is it one of fear? Is

it one of anger? Is it one of shame? And then

what is it attracting back to you in

relationships? And so when I look at attachment

wounds or attachment theory, that's really how I

view it is from that heart brain coherence kind

of field of information that we know about.

So cool. So it's like the. There's like a chaos

in our frequency, and that is what other people

are sensing.

Yes. And then we're responding to theirs. Right?

And so it's being sent out and then coming back

to us. So, you know, it's this constant field of

information informing our perception and our

experience of where we sit within the world or

within relationship to others. And so when we can

work on Heart, brain coherence through

unburdening some of these emotions and then using

things like the HeartMath Institute app, and, you

know, you can use that. You create this coherent

field of information that goes out. You are

operating from a space of love, and then you are

informing your relationship to other people of

love, and it begins to balance out that

electromagnetic signal and feedback system that

you're getting when you're in relationship to

other people.

So. Interesting.

Yeah.

And that would probably affect, like, who you're.

Who you choose to be around. I mean, I remember,

you know, so we have a lot of common. A lot of

things in common on our journey. And my husband,

he said something to me one time. It was

something. He's like, why do you always have to

have, like, one totally crazy friend? And I was

like, I don't know, but I always did. I was just

somehow always attracted to an agent of chaos

that I had to have. And there were other people,

and they seemed who I could be friends with, but

they seemed boring. And as I healed, I was like,

oh, they're not boring. They're just not chaotic.

Right, right.

And it totally shifted. And I no longer have any

agents of chaos by choice. There's a few I'm

related to, but, yeah, it does. So that's like a

super interesting lens to, like, understand that

behavior.

Yeah, yeah. And it changes our relationship with

others in. In a more profound way as well. So

when we look at these emotions from David

Hawkins, scale of Consciousness, anger, shame,

and fear sit below. Well, fear and shame really

sit below what is called the frequency of truth.

And it's when we begin to rise above those

frequencies that we begin to seek truth. And it's

truth in all manners. And love is the ultimate

truth frequency, in my opinion. And so as we

navigate up and we begin, we, you know, unburden

the heart with each layer. We get closer and

closer to the truth or to the frequency of love.

And I believe that love, in the way that we

understand it from society's perspective, it's

really. It's. We're given the perception that

love is very transactional. It's, I'm giving you

love, I'm doing this out of love, et cetera. But

I believe from my own personal experience that

when we are the frequency of love, there is. It's

not transactional at all. And we begin to see

things like judgment or resentment or, you know,

these other kind of filters through which we

experience other humans, they begin to dissolve.

And we can see other people through a much more

unfiltered perception, I guess. So resentment and

judgment would be filters that you are

experiencing other people through. And so love,

to me is much more about a frequency that we

operate from. And then we begin to feed our

relationships with this frequency, and it can

help other people begin to balance out their

instability, their chaos. It can inform their

field of information. You know, we know through

nervous system regulation work that we can help

others regulate their nervous system. It's called

co regulation. Right. And that's what a mother

does with her child when she picks up her baby

after it's hurt and it's hurt itself. We can do

that also from the frequency of love. And we

begin to bring stability into all of our

relationships. Now, this doesn't mean we control

other people and it's automatically going to fix

everything about them, but it does. It does

provide a platform of stability and coherence

rather than chaos and, you know, further

instability.

Yes. Beautiful. And then we, you know, if we are

creating that field or contributing to that field

of love and that becomes dominant, then we can

help to regulate others who. I mean, I guess you

probably have to be open to it to a certain

extent. Right. But just by being in that. And I'm

thinking now of like, recovery groups, you know,

places like Alcoholics Anonymous, where you have

that, like, container of acceptance. And it's so

not trans. The opposite of transactional. Right.

Is really vibrating at a frequency of love. And

someone comes in who's an absolute at the bottom

as. As they say, and they are, at least for the

duration of the time that they're in that space,

they. They can become regulated. And you see how

it's that. That frequency of love.

Yes. A hundred percent. And it's interesting you

brought up the AA groups because in David Hawkins

book, when he's talking about consciousness

itself. Yeah, it's. Alcoholics Anonymous is one

of the, you know, few or many groups that

vibrates at the frequency of truth. And it is

that unconditional love, that lack of judgment

that individuals bring into the room and help

others recover.

That's right. Yeah. I forgot. He has a beautiful

section on that.

Yep.

Yeah. You know, he really understood that at a

deep level. He was amazing.

Yeah. Yeah.

I have his book by my bed. Just. I open it

randomly every couple of days. Yeah, beautiful.

Yeah.

Okay, so let's. Let's bring it back to. Okay.

We've talked about the difference between

emotions and feelings and sort of stabilizing our

toroidal field, so to speak, by being regulated

in our nervous system and not constantly pinging

around between the feelings and the emotions. And

let's explore a little more the role that nature

and photons and darkness play in that in this

landscape.

Yeah. So nature, of course, is like our original

home. It is the place where, you know, we

evolved, you know, and so it's no surprise that

when we go out into nature, there are all kinds

of benefits that we can receive. So sunlight is

one of them. We get photons of sunlight. And

there's so much that we could talk about with

sunlight specifically and helping it to regulate

your emotional landscape or your nervous system

or your mitochondria. There's just so many

benefits to sunlight. I think it's an equilibrium

frequency and it really does help bring us back

into balance in so many different ways. You can

go out into the woods and receive phytonicides

from pine trees, and these are really beneficial

for regulating the nervous system. You can go out

and be around a waterfall or running water and

get negative ions. Or even in after a

thunderstorm, there's negative ions in the air

that are extremely beneficial. You can put your

feet to the bare earth and receive electrons from

the earth that help to regulate your nervous

system and bring balance back in. Yeah, but also,

like when we're out in nature, our field, our

connection to the quantum field is uninterrupted.

And so I think when we go out into nature and we

don't have the headphones on or the cell phone on

our pocket, in our pocket, kind of sending these

altered frequencies, I think this is the ultimate

opportunity for connection to the quantum field

and where so many people, including myself, get

our, our downloads or these like, aha moments, or

some people might call them spiritual moments.

And I think that's because we. There's no

interference between us and the quantum field.

And we have a very regulated nervous system. So I

take a walk every single day, and that's where I

get these, you know, insights into things are

like my next idea for what I'm gonna do. And, you

know, it just appears to come out of nowhere, but

it's. It's not. You know, walking is like moving

meditation. All of these benefits that we can get

from being outside listening to the birds and,

you know, the, the, the horizon has benefits.

Like watching the horizon walking down a straight

and narrow road has benefits for your perception.

I mean, you really can't beat time outside in any

way.

Wow. So much there and, and, and the moving

around. You're remind. You're reminding me. I

watched this movie, I think, last winter. It's,

it's old. It's on YouTube. You can find it. It's

called Copenhagen, and it's about Niels Bohr. And

I forget all. Anyway, it's all these, like, early

pioneers of quantum physics. And they have this.

They're discussing all of the big breakthroughs

that they had. And they were like, oh, yeah, I

remember that. We would, like. We'd be around the

table, like, pouring over the formulas, and we

were like, ah, we're never gonna get it. And then

we'd go out for a hike in those Swiss mountains,

and all the breakthroughs would come. And they

told. They were just talking and telling stories,

the characters. But I noticed every time they

talked about when they had a breakthrough is when

they left the work and went skiing or went hiking

or went outside.

Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I mean, it's. It's not

surprising. I mean, it really isn't, you know,

but also, I think a lot of people get

breakthroughs while they're sleeping. And it's

the same kind of thing as your brainwave states.

Right. You are in this deep, kind of meditative

state. And so that connection to the quantum

field opens up. And you get these downloads in

the form of dreams. And, you know.

Yes. Do you have any thoughts on the dreamscape

and have you just personally experienced or

heard, you know, in your travels with other

people. If people's dreams have becoming more

intense lately or more frequent or more colorful?

I haven't had clients mention anything about

dreams lately. I know my dreams have been a

little bit more, like, in intuitive or

precognitive, but I haven't confirmed that or

spoken about it with other people. What are your

thoughts?

Yeah, I've noticed the same. My sample size is me

and my family, so I just wanted to see what else

was going on. But, yes, I have definitely noticed

that.

Yeah. And would you connect it to what's going on

with the Schumann residents and the solar flares

that we're getting?

Possibly.

Yeah. Yeah.

Possibly. Yes. Well, so. And I haven't taken the

time to, like, really dig into it, but I do think

there's something.

Yeah. Yeah. And so that kind of ties us, then,

back into the consciousness conversation is, you

know, when you. If you follow any accounts that

talk about the Schumann resonance and. Or the

solar flares and how we're getting these

energetic upgrades. That is what David Hawkins

referred to in the 80s when, as a collective, we

just passed over that threshold into truth. And

that's when people really began seeking, you

know, truth about medications, truth about food,

truth about all sorts of things. Right. And so we

are receiving these energetic upgrades that are

allowing us to expand our level of consciousness.

But at the same time, you're going to be called

to dig through these anger, shame, and fear

emotions so that you're no longer, you know,

perpetuating them or hanging on to them so that

you can experience that expansion. And then when

people talk about 3D reality, what I think it's

referring to is anger, shame, and fear. And in

order to move into this 5D reality or anything

beyond that is through the processing of these

emotions and getting ourselves closer to that

frequency of love. And then when you think about

love, love and light are synonymous, right? And

so we're getting all of these light codes, and we

were expanding our heart, we're expanding our

awareness. It's all kind of one in the same. Just

everybody's using a different language to

describe it, which makes it seem like there's all

something separate. But I think it's. It's all

the same.

Hmm. That makes a lot of sense. So when you say.

When you use the words light codes, because I

loved what you said earlier about being

discerning with our language. I think as we move

closer to truth, the discernment piece becomes

really important, just in general. That wasn't my

point, though. Oh, yeah. So the light codes. And

then, okay, so as we, as a collective, move more

towards emitting a frequency of love, shall I

say? And then we're talking about the changes in

the Schumann resonance. We're talking about the

solar flares. I'm working on a talk, and I'm

looking at, like, the Kali Yuga cycles, the Mayan

cycles, the Chinese cosmology cycles, and then as

well as some more, like, material, just history

cycles, economic cycles. And, like, it's been so

interesting. No matter. Like, I started out,

I'll, like, I'll just look at 1 or 2 as to make a

point. And now I'm, like, I've listed, like, nine

of them, and they're all. They all have an

overlap, which is that this moment in time, it's

basically insanely crazy in terms of

transformation, like, no matter which of those

systems you look at.

Right?

And so now I'm hearing from you, like, even as

another lens through which to view this shift,

and you're talking human resonance, solar flares,

light codes. And is it our consciousness

affecting that? Or. Or is it. How do you see it?

Like, are we driving that? Is it driving us? Is

it a. Is it a symbiotic.

Interesting. I hadn't really. I guess I kind of

just Assumed it was affecting us. But when you

say that, it's like, well, it's all a bi

directional relationship, so we've got to be

feeding something back into it. But. Yeah, I

don't know. That's.

I don't know either. I have no idea. Wow, that's.

I mean, that's definitely something to consider

and to apply it to, you know, these other time

periods in history where there was a lot of

chaos. You know, as we're expanding and moving

closer towards love, there is going to be a lot

of chaos because people have to work through that

anger, shame and fear. And that means a lot of

release, a lot of, you know, stirring the pot

from, you know, the bottom all the way up. And so

it may look a little ugly for a while, but I

think we're already beginning to see the shift

in, you know, the way people are viewing things

and viewing themselves in relationship to the

collective.

Yes. Yeah, I think so too. And, and that was.

Yeah, that's definitely a big piece of. It is.

There's, there's like a destabilizing piece to

transformation. And so ideally you want the old

systems that aren't working to give way to the

new ones, but not so fast that we're all buried

in the rubble. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. And then the more I understood about

shame and you know, of course, with the election

coming up this year or, you know, happening this

year, and I started to view the political stage

through the lens of shame and societal

structures. Anything that ends in ism is based on

shame. And so it requires us to disown ourselves

for it to be able to function the way that it

functions. And the minute that we all see step

back into our own personal power is the minute

those systems are no longer valid or operational

for us. Right. Because that's not how we view

ourselves anymore.

Yes. That's a beautiful way to describe it. And

that's how it feels to me. And that's how I feel

like I'm seeing it. It's like even the old. Back

to what you're saying about discerning language,

even the language tools that we use, you know,

left, right, this political party, that political

party, like they're becoming almost meaningless.

And it's really about people who want to live in

the truth.

Yeah.

And not be controlled.

Yeah.

Versus people who are like, no, no, these systems

are better. It's better to have the system

controlling us. That's more where I see the

shift. And it has, you know, red, blue, purple,

up, down, left, right. Like it's those Things

have. Are dissolving and becoming largely

irrelevant.

Yeah, but it's all part of the process. You know,

it's not, you know, not judging other people

where they're at and how maybe they orient

towards safety, because for them, safety is those

systems. Right. They're relying on those systems

to keep them safe. But at some point in their

journey, they will butt up against those very

systems and they'll be asked to look within and

reevaluate and, you know, ask the question, is

this system really working for me or is it

working against me? And we're all just at

different stages of that journey. And, you know,

I think over the coming generations, I. I just

don't see these systems being in place anymore.

Yeah, I don't either. And I think the point

you're making is really good. And that was. It's

actually was kind of the point of this talk I'm

going to give is that for those of us who can

orient around the new paradigms, who can feel

safe and grounded in the world, even in the midst

of all this change, I feel like we have some

level of responsibility to show up for the people

you just described who are not there yet, and

it's going to feel really scary, and they're

going to be very disoriented. And especially

people in that space where the systems that they

trusted. And we've all been there, probably

everyone listening to a podcast like this has

been there. Right. That system that we trust us,

that we trusted, has betrayed us.

Right.

And when you feel that betrayal of the system or

the institution that your whole life you've felt

like you could rely on and you don't have an

alternative, that's a terrifying and scary place

to be. And that's where I feel like we all

collectively have a responsibility to help

navigate that for people.

Yeah. And I think that's a beautiful point. And,

and you know, I've been saying this to my clients

and also in mine and Lauren's podcast. I think. I

think our souls speak different languages. And so

different people speak different language. That's

not a very good way to describe it, but I think

our souls have their own unique language. And

each person, when we. When we tap into the

language of our own soul, that becomes the

language that we speak. We resonate at. And the

people who are. Who have souls that speak my

language will be drawn towards me, and the ones

that speak your language will be drawn towards

you. We each are holding a piece of the puzzle,

like you just said. And so our duty is to take it

back out there and find the people that speak our

language so we can spread the message. I mean,

that sounds very religious or something, but you

know, to, to help others navigate their own

experience.

Yes. Yeah, no, absolutely. And it could be, you

know, you and I are doing podcasts, but it could

just be like you're that person in, in your

extended family or in your friend group. Yeah,

that's like, seems kind of okay and, and chill.

And so when someone needs to access that, like, I

remember I heard a man, I think, I'm pretty sure

it was a Christian man. It. But it doesn't

matter. But he was saying that. What did he say?

He said, you know, we have to, basically we have

to have a spiritual practice so that when, when

people need us and they will. We are who we say

we are.

Yeah, yeah.

And that, that always stayed with me. It's, it's

like, you know, when someone reaches out, who are

we?

Yeah, it's part of, it is also part of the

nervous system work is understanding your own

personal values. Because what those emotions,

when they arise, what they're telling you is what

you value. They're telling you about your own

soul's values. And so if you're getting angry

when someone lies, you value honesty, you value

integrity, you value transparency, whatever.

Right. And so that spiritual practice is making

sure that you are connected to something higher

than yourself and your soul and so that you are

operating in alignment with your own personal

values. Like you said. So when someone comes to

you, you can, you are in alignment and you're not

saying one thing and doing another.

Right?

Yeah.

So good. This has been so, so interesting, Kelly.

I love it so much. Is there anything like coming

to you that you want to say next or that you

wanted to say that you haven't said?

No, I don't think so. I just the connection

between the nervous system and consciousness. And

then also you can add in the piece of like

internal family systems model, which is the core

self energy and the parts that we develop as like

coping strategies to navigate the world. They're

all describing the same thing. And so that makes

the end goal from all three models. The end goal

is love. So, you know, finding our way back to

love in whichever way you can begin to do that

and we can do it in very small ways in our day to

day life so you don't have to go out and hire

some coach and have some massive transformation.

You know, you can do a lot of the work on your

own at home.

Yeah, it's true. It's in all the, all the little

moments of the day. Although I will say working

with someone is often helpful. So if anyone

resonates, go work with Kelly.

Yeah, yeah, it definitely can. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And then just to bring it back to the light

piece before we wrap up, it's like, you know,

I'll use myself as the example. Right. So I did a

lot of, A lot of the work that, you know, you've,

you're describing and I still got sick. And I

think there was a part of me that was judging

myself for that. And it's like, oh, if you've

like mastered your. Mastered your mind and healed

your childhood, like, what do you. Why are you

getting sick? Right. But I was missing the, the

piece where I understood the impact that my

environment was having on me and, and

particularly light. So I added that in and it was

like, ha, ha. But I found over time that it's,

you know, as you were saying at the beginning,

it's like it's a spiral. And so I feel it then,

you know, as I've infused myself with healthy

light over time, that has called me to up level

back in the other ways.

Yeah.

And then I go back in the light and I'm starting

to hear from people who've been doing this few

years that they're like becoming off the charts

intuitive, borderline psychic. And all of these

things are starting to happen as we, as we

continue continually move through.

Yeah. Because that love and light are synonymous

with each other. They're often referred to as one

and the same throughout ancient texts and

history. Right. And so it's not surprising that

going out into the sunlight expands your level of

consciousness and unburdens the heart to some

degree and fills you with love, you know? Pretty

cool. It's pretty cool. It's all just so

fascinating. It really is. And it's all so

exciting. And to even have a platform to share

this kind of information, like, I just never

thought I. I never imagined this would be my life

or that I would be sitting here talking to you

about love and consciousness, light and all of

these things. It's just, it's really profound. We

live in a really awesome time.

Yeah, I totally agree. I sometimes, and I was

like working on that presentation and I'm like

making notes about astrology and frequency. I was

at a co working space and the woman next to me, I

saw her glance down at my notes and I was like,

yeah, this is what I'm doing for my job. It's

pretty incredible. And then we have these

platforms to share it. Yeah, no, we. I don't know

what you know. I don't want to use terms that

will activate people in one way or the other, but

however we all ended up here at the same time in

this moment of time is, as you said, deeply

profound.

Yes. There are no coincidences. I don't believe

so.

Yeah.

Well, thank you so much, Meredith. I really

appreciate it.

Thank you for being here, Kelly. This was

wonderful and we will be doing it again.

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