You. Welcome back.
Leila Ainge:Last time we looked at the impostor backstory and the
Leila Ainge:obsession on fixing the individual. It's why
Leila Ainge:I've asked you to think about impostor as a phenomenon
Leila Ainge:rather than a syndrome. So let's move our focus
Leila Ainge:to the spaces where the phenomenon thrives.
Leila Ainge:My research shows that visibility, comparison
Leila Ainge:and competition are, at the heart of impostor
Leila Ainge:experiences for entrepreneur preneurs in online
Leila Ainge:spaces. Yet women are getting ahead and getting
Leila Ainge:things done. So what's going on? How should
Leila Ainge:we navigate networks and how can we use those
Leila Ainge:impostor experiences in helpful ways?
Leila Ainge:In today's episode, we're going to take a look at
Leila Ainge:imagined audiences and why the women who
Leila Ainge:took part in my research have adapted and created
Leila Ainge:ways of coping. We'll explore this through
Leila Ainge:the lens of a psychological term called context
Leila Ainge:collapse. And, this is going to be supported by some
Leila Ainge:quotes from my research.
Leila Ainge:I promised anonymity to my
Leila Ainge:participants, so it's my voice you're going
Leila Ainge:to hear. We'll be using pseudonyms that closely
Leila Ainge:match the background and generation of the women who took
Leila Ainge:part. And I'm going to give you a bit of context,
Leila Ainge:because most of the women I talked to had been
Leila Ainge:successfully running their businesses for seven years or
Leila Ainge:more. The types of spaces they were in
Leila Ainge:and communities they were using were paid for.
Leila Ainge:Groups, places like doing it for
Leila Ainge:the kids found and flourish. Real work, mama
Leila Ainge:hive. Being freelance, they were
Leila Ainge:also in more transient spaces, like
Leila Ainge:a Facebook or a slack group that they would have been given
Leila Ainge:access to when they've purchased a course or
Leila Ainge:piece of learning.
Leila Ainge:So these women were members of multiple
Leila Ainge:groups. And while some of the comments
Leila Ainge:are attributed to specific scenarios or
Leila Ainge:spaces, the quotes I'm using today
Leila Ainge:are from the core themes of my research and relate
Leila Ainge:more generally to impostorous experience in all of
Leila Ainge:these online community spaces.
Leila Ainge:How do we find spaces online
Leila Ainge:that work for us? How are women ending up in these
Leila Ainge:communities? Well, the beauty of online
Leila Ainge:spaces and social network sites is that it's
Leila Ainge:really easy to find people like us through the
Leila Ainge:use of language. And one of my research
Leila Ainge:participants, Erica, made me laugh out
Leila Ainge:loud with her example. She
Leila Ainge:said, I don't want you to refer to me
Leila Ainge:or anybody else in my community as honey, sweetie,
Leila Ainge:lovely. Hey, girl. Boss. It's not who I
Leila Ainge:am. Now. Erica had a
Leila Ainge:really clear sense of the group she would and would not
Leila Ainge:belong to. I like to think of this as a
Leila Ainge:kind of social gps that guides us to
Leila Ainge:places and spaces that match with our culture,
Leila Ainge:behaviour, and interests.
Leila Ainge:Erica's using comparison to answer the question, are
Leila Ainge:they like me? This
Leila Ainge:comparison is helpful, and it's essential,
Leila Ainge:because running a business using online platforms like
Leila Ainge:Instagram or Facebook is very different to the
Leila Ainge:way we might use the spaces for day to day
Leila Ainge:friendships. For many
Leila Ainge:entrepreneurs, these spaces provide peer
Leila Ainge:support and access to potential
Leila Ainge:customers. Online communities
Leila Ainge:also create a kind of buffer from social media,
Leila Ainge:and women describe there being a risk of being
Leila Ainge:canceled or piled on, and that online
Leila Ainge:behavior feeds the fear of being found
Leila Ainge:out. So that's what makes these communities so
Leila Ainge:attractive, the peer support and, the
Leila Ainge:relative safety compared to the
Leila Ainge:vastness of social media.
Leila Ainge:But there's one big occupational hazard
Leila Ainge:in communities and wider social media, and
Leila Ainge:that's cohabiting with the competition.
Leila Ainge:It can lead to exhausting thoughts
Leila Ainge:about imagined audiences, and it's
Leila Ainge:here that the impostor experience
Leila Ainge:thrives.
Leila Ainge:If our, social gps works well,
Leila Ainge:we end up in a space that's aligned with our
Leila Ainge:personal values, and we will feel
Leila Ainge:supported, but we still have to deal with the
Leila Ainge:competition. Psychologically
Leila Ainge:speaking, one of the reasons we have
Leila Ainge:exhausting thoughts is context
Leila Ainge:collapse. Effectively, context collapse
Leila Ainge:is described by a psychologist as a
Leila Ainge:meshing and flattening of audience that happens
Leila Ainge:in online spaces. It's a complete
Leila Ainge:loss of context. It's the reason your
Leila Ainge:content. It's
Leila Ainge:the reason your content can be viewed by your ideal customer
Leila Ainge:or a friend of your nan in the same
Leila Ainge:breath, depending on how
Leila Ainge:your network is and the
Leila Ainge:starting that bit again.
Leila Ainge:psychologically speaking, one of the reasons we
Leila Ainge:have exhausting thoughts is context collapse.
Leila Ainge:Effectively, context collapse is described by
Leila Ainge:your psychologists as a meshing and flattening of
Leila Ainge:audiences. And this happens exclusively
Leila Ainge:in online spaces.
Leila Ainge:It's a complete loss of context, and it's
Leila Ainge:the same reason that our content can be viewed by an
Leila Ainge:ideal customer or a friend of
Leila Ainge:Unan's. Depending on how
Leila Ainge:big your network is and the restrictions you apply,
Leila Ainge:the effects of context collapse could vary.
Leila Ainge:And, what's really interesting is that in
Leila Ainge:social media, some of the restrictions you can put
Leila Ainge:on are you stop following people, or you
Leila Ainge:can restrict your account. In online
Leila Ainge:communities, what we'll discover is that
Leila Ainge:there are fewer restrictions that we can place
Leila Ainge:on who can see what we put into the
Leila Ainge:communities. And there's a very different type of behavior
Leila Ainge:that is happening
Leila Ainge:from a networking perspective, context
Leila Ainge:collapse is brilliant because it enables us
Leila Ainge:to acquire something called social capital.
Leila Ainge:Now, this can look like shared resources, favors, or
Leila Ainge:introductions. Being online
Leila Ainge:created new possibilities and connections for the women
Leila Ainge:I spoke to. And I want you to think about that
Leila Ainge:word possibility, because it's one of the ways
Leila Ainge:in which we could characterize social capital.
Leila Ainge:Possibility and potential lead to
Leila Ainge:opportunities, but they're very difficult
Leila Ainge:to pin down and quantify.
Leila Ainge:Now, there are different ideas
Leila Ainge:from economists and psychologists and
Leila Ainge:sociologists about the way we can measure our return
Leila Ainge:on investment for every connection that we
Leila Ainge:make,
Leila Ainge:or the number of online or offline events we could
Leila Ainge:join as a result of putting ourselves out there in the social
Leila Ainge:spaces. I'm really interested in finding
Leila Ainge:a way in which we can measure the benefit of networking.
Leila Ainge:In fact, it's one of the core themes in my current
Leila Ainge:research. But for now,
Leila Ainge:but for now, let's consider that online
Leila Ainge:networking is really important for
Leila Ainge:women. Several studies show that women
Leila Ainge:entrepreneurs are less likely to have access to traditional
Leila Ainge:networks as men. And, my impostor research backs
Leila Ainge:that up, because women talked about the shift to doing
Leila Ainge:more business online in the pandemic, and they
Leila Ainge:described it as a leveling of the playing field.
Leila Ainge:But notice how that
Leila Ainge:phrase level playing field, which sounds really
Leila Ainge:equitable, has a sporting, competitive
Leila Ainge:nature. Love it or hate
Leila Ainge:it, networking creates potential and
Leila Ainge:opportunities that we otherwise would not have.
Leila Ainge:In fact, psychologists have identified. This is
Leila Ainge:central to our entrepreneurial identity,
Leila Ainge:but we sit awkwardly with it, because online spaces
Leila Ainge:weren't created to make us feel safe and
Leila Ainge:supported. They were initially created as a way
Leila Ainge:to connect large numbers of people with other people,
Leila Ainge:and potentially to make money in the process.
Leila Ainge:But back to this idea of context collapse.
Leila Ainge:I want to introduce you to some of the phrases that came up in the
Leila Ainge:course of my research, because they brilliantly
Leila Ainge:describe the awkward relationship some of us have with
Leila Ainge:the visibility that goes with networking and showing
Leila Ainge:up online.
Leila Ainge:The first extract is from Kayla. I want
Leila Ainge:you to know that Kayla is hugely successful. She's a
Leila Ainge:serial entrepreneur with a big presence in online spaces
Leila Ainge:and communities. And Kayla says,
Leila Ainge:there's people in my space who I respect. I have their phone
Leila Ainge:number, I support them. I can't follow them for the
Leila Ainge:life of me, because when I'm in that moment of the impostor
Leila Ainge:phenomenon going whoosh, I start to think
Leila Ainge:of them and I start to think, what would they think if they saw this?
Leila Ainge:Or would they think if they knew this? And like, that's so not
Leila Ainge:me. And it gets me in a space of doubt, and it
Leila Ainge:gets me in a space where I just want to run away. And,
Leila Ainge:yeah, my business requires me to be visible
Leila Ainge:all. Now,
Leila Ainge:there was a consistent narrative from the women I spoke to
Leila Ainge:about the overwhelming feeling of
Leila Ainge:imposter phenomenon.
Leila Ainge:Now, there was a consistent narrative from the women I spoke to
Leila Ainge:about the overwhelming feeling of imposter
Leila Ainge:phenomenon. They often described it as
Leila Ainge:a dynamic reaction experienced in key
Leila Ainge:moments. Kayla uses the
Leila Ainge:whoosh of impostor energy when she
Leila Ainge:considers that imagined audience. Another
Leila Ainge:participant, Danielle, used an energetic phrase.
Leila Ainge:She said it's like a waterfall.
Leila Ainge:Unsurprisingly, given the flood
Leila Ainge:of impostor experiences, mentioned by
Leila Ainge:those participants, there are many references
Leila Ainge:to fight and flight behaviours. If we go back to what
Leila Ainge:Kayla says, I just want to run away.
Leila Ainge:Kayla's comments spoke to the broader social
Leila Ainge:media platforms.
Leila Ainge:So let's hear what Asima said about being in an
Leila Ainge:online community.
Leila Ainge:I don't feel like I have a place in, there.
Leila Ainge:I hesitate so much to be able to speak up
Leila Ainge:and I don't know whether it's because I'm scared that somebody might come
Leila Ainge:along and say no, what you're saying is wrong.
Leila Ainge:What struck me about this extract is
Leila Ainge:that Asima is an expert in her
Leila Ainge:field, qualified and, then sub. She
Leila Ainge:shouldn't have to worry about telling people.
Leila Ainge:What struck me,
Leila Ainge:what struck me about this extract is that Asima is
Leila Ainge:an expert in her field, qualified and then
Leila Ainge:some. She shouldn't have to worry about people telling her that
Leila Ainge:she's wrong. But the idea that somebody
Leila Ainge:unknown could expose her as being a fraud was
Leila Ainge:enough to hesitate and hold back.
Leila Ainge:What Seema tells us is that being a member of a
Leila Ainge:community doesn't guarantee a feeling of belonging or
Leila Ainge:place. Despite that social
Leila Ainge:gps navigating and helping us find people
Leila Ainge:who are like us, the audience
Leila Ainge:is still perceived as ambiguous.
Leila Ainge:Participants would use words like somebody people
Leila Ainge:them thinking of their community peers as a
Leila Ainge:threat. We'll come
Leila Ainge:back to the comment Asima makes. Somebody might
Leila Ainge:come along and say, no, what you're saying is wrong. Towards the
Leila Ainge:episode, we're going to come
Leila Ainge:back to the comment Asima makes about people
Leila Ainge:thinking that she might be wrong towards the end of the
Leila Ainge:episode.
Leila Ainge:But next up is one of my favourite
Leila Ainge:quotes from the whole piece of research
Leila Ainge:because it's describing a hidden impostor
Leila Ainge:experience on two levels. I
Leila Ainge:need to give you context here.
Leila Ainge:Chloe and I had been discussing the
Leila Ainge:time she took part in a group video call
Leila Ainge:organised by a member of her community.
Leila Ainge:One of the members was talking about an unfair customer
Leila Ainge:complaint and what to do about it. And the way
Leila Ainge:Chloe remembers this, the group were listening and helping
Leila Ainge:her work through the problem. But Chloe was a
Leila Ainge:silent participant in that process. So
Leila Ainge:what we hear next is her held back thought
Leila Ainge:process. Chloe told
Leila Ainge:me. I sat there listening to the whole thing
Leila Ainge:and everyone was like, no, you must go back. And
Leila Ainge:she came back with a really great solution.
Leila Ainge:But what I would have done
Leila Ainge:would have been to say yes to the
Leila Ainge:refund and then resented it.
Leila Ainge:And at the end, I was like, this has been so insightful,
Leila Ainge:because everything that you're saying is, I get it, but
Leila Ainge:it's just not where I would have been.
Leila Ainge:Chloe listens rather than contributes. And
Leila Ainge:I know from speaking to members and founders of social
Leila Ainge:spaces that participation engagement is
Leila Ainge:something that is highly valued. It leads to
Leila Ainge:social capital gains. The more you put yourself out there,
Leila Ainge:the greater opportunity for connection.
Leila Ainge:It's curious then, isn't it, to see how this
Leila Ainge:helpful and silent comparison enables
Leila Ainge:Chloe to benefit from advice because
Leila Ainge:she's taken away the risk of exposing herself during the
Leila Ainge:learning process. Chloe's engagement
Leila Ainge:with online communities might be
Leila Ainge:vicarious, but it still brings social
Leila Ainge:capital gains. She still has access to other
Leila Ainge:people, their thought processes, other
Leila Ainge:resources. But importantly, she's learning through
Leila Ainge:the process not just about what she should
Leila Ainge:do, but comparing herself to the community is
Leila Ainge:enabling her to think about how she approaches
Leila Ainge:business. Here's that second
Leila Ainge:level of impostor. Chloe
Leila Ainge:also went on to tell me, I was going
Leila Ainge:to say to, her, you do have to be careful where you
Leila Ainge:share. Now, what I love
Leila Ainge:about this specific quote is the way Chloe
Leila Ainge:experiences the risk aversion that we associate
Leila Ainge:with impostor experiences on behalf of someone
Leila Ainge:else. Chloe's fear of exposure is
Leila Ainge:projected silently but urgently. Although
Leila Ainge:she wanted to say something to another member, that
Leila Ainge:concern is held back. And the concerns that the
Leila Ainge:participants gave for their peers during the
Leila Ainge:research illustrates that there are different risk
Leila Ainge:appetites amongst members in those communities.
Leila Ainge:And I love how it shows the protectiveness group
Leila Ainge:members feel, too. At
Leila Ainge:the start of this episode, I said that we would
Leila Ainge:move our focus to the spaces where the impostor
Leila Ainge:phenomenon thrives. You've heard how
Leila Ainge:entrepreneurs like Erica are using language as a
Leila Ainge:way to navigate a really saturated
Leila Ainge:environment. Her comment made me laugh because
Leila Ainge:it resonated. I've never considered
Leila Ainge:myself to be a girl boss, for example, but
Leila Ainge:I know that sentiment is an example of the way
Leila Ainge:we use language as labels and hashtags, and
Leila Ainge:it's one way of finding and experiencing belonging
Leila Ainge:in online spaces, especially with the
Leila Ainge:vastness. The
Leila Ainge:strength of our reaction to some of these phrases can tell
Leila Ainge:us a lot about where we think we will belong and
Leila Ainge:how comparison is useful.
Leila Ainge:Eric is seeking out a corner of the Internet,
Leila Ainge:or, as some of the entrepreneurs I spoke to called it,
Leila Ainge:digital rooms where they would feel that they could
Leila Ainge:belong. I picked out
Leila Ainge:quotes from Kayla and Chloe to compare and
Leila Ainge:contrast the impostor experience between social
Leila Ainge:media and online communities, Kayla was using
Leila Ainge:avoidance tactics as she wouldn't see the posts of other
Leila Ainge:entrepreneurs, whereas Chloe was joining in and
Leila Ainge:following the experiences of peers silently.
Leila Ainge:It's worth mentioning that in online communities,
Leila Ainge:there are fewer ways to unfollow and see what other
Leila Ainge:members are posting. But my research
Leila Ainge:shows that this is managed because members like
Leila Ainge:Chloe get to sit behind the scenes and observe
Leila Ainge:what's going on. It's another useful way in which
Leila Ainge:comparison is showing up.
Leila Ainge:Asima's quote is different. Again, she
Leila Ainge:said, I'm scared that somebody might come along and say,
Leila Ainge:no, what you're saying is wrong.
Leila Ainge:Asima is, anticipating that imagined
Leila Ainge:audience and, that they're going to tell her that she's
Leila Ainge:wrong. Is this Asima's problem,
Leila Ainge:though? Or is it a societal one?
Leila Ainge:Instead of the old impostor advice to feel
Leila Ainge:confident in our abilities, where is the practical
Leila Ainge:advice on how to disagree and deal with
Leila Ainge:objections? Where's the evidence that our online
Leila Ainge:spaces are places where we can respectfully debate
Leila Ainge:rather than denounce?
Leila Ainge:Now, according to the psychologist Amy
Leila Ainge:Edmondson, this belief that we could be
Leila Ainge:punished or humiliated for speaking up with ideas,
Leila Ainge:questions, concerns, or mistakes in a workplace
Leila Ainge:is known as psychological safety.
Leila Ainge:So it's interesting then, because for entrepreneurs,
Leila Ainge:this belief transfers to the online space and that
Leila Ainge:fear of getting something so wrong that we might be
Leila Ainge:canceled and that would be really bad for
Leila Ainge:business. It also looks like the fear
Leila Ainge:of being exposed, which feeds those imposter
Leila Ainge:feelings.
Leila Ainge:You. Hopefully today's episode adds
Leila Ainge:an extra layer onto the idea that women are not the
Leila Ainge:problem. Comparison is long thought to
Leila Ainge:be a negative trait of impostor syndrome,
Leila Ainge:but it's actually a tool we can use to navigate
Leila Ainge:spaces and consider what is going on behind the
Leila Ainge:scenes. Communities provide
Leila Ainge:fewer tools than social media to block or
Leila Ainge:limit what we see our competition getting up
Leila Ainge:to, but they play an important role in
Leila Ainge:normalizing what really goes on behind the perfect
Leila Ainge:Instagram grid. They reduce
Leila Ainge:those impostor experiences.
Leila Ainge:Coming up next on psychologically speaking,
Leila Ainge:I'm delighted to have Christina Clark and Laura
Leila Ainge:Stern from work culture arti along for
Leila Ainge:a chat about all things psychological safety.
Leila Ainge:So we're going to be having a good look at all the things that
Leila Ainge:we can do to create spaces that eliminate that,
Leila Ainge:impostor feeling. And.