Speaker:

Jeff Cole realizes his dream of becoming

an undercover cop, working his way up

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the ranks is one thing, but

now he faces the challenge of his life.

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When called upon to infiltrate

and bring down the kingpin known as God.

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No, not that one.

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The one played by L.L.

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Cool J.

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Bring it!

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C’mon! Welcome to Hip Hop Movie Club.

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This is a show for Gen X hip hop fans

who want to relive the glory days

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and reconsider classic and modern hip

hop films from a current day perspective.

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Together, we’ll explore some of the larger

societal issues raised in these films.

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If you've seen today's movie before,

then you'll learn some fascinating trivia

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you might have missed.

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If you haven't seen today's movie before,

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that will help you decide

whether this film is worth your time.

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Either way, you'll be a smarter

hip hop fan by the end of this episode.

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The next 30 minutes

or so you'll get all this and more.

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We’re

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three old heads who put their old heads

together to vibe on these films for you.

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I'm DynoWright, podcaster, filmmaker,

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long time hip-hop fan, and I'm the Cult

Jam to these guys’ Lisa Lisa.

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I’m JB, eighties and nineties

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nostalgia junkie, longtime hip hop fan.

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And just like the Prodigal son,

I've returned.

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Anyone stepping in me you'll get burned.

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I like that.

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I’m Boogie, deejay, long time hip hop fan

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and I have a pretty cool stash of vintage

vinyl.

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Nice, no doubt.

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In this episode,

we'll answer the question,

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How deep do you need

to get in to take down God?

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(vinyl

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scratches) One...one...one...one...

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In Too

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Deep is the 1999 crime

drama starring Omar Epps, L.L.

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Cool J.

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Nia Long, Stanley Tucci, as well

as a handful of other hip hop luminaries,

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depict the story of an undercover cop

putting his life at risk to try to bring

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down a major drug kingpin.

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All right, let's dive in.

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So in this movie, you have L Cool J

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portraying a major drug player

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kingpin named God, his nickname

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alongside.

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So he's a nasty fellow.

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Where would you rank him?

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Alongside other hip hop movie villains

such as Nino Brown, Bishop

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and others that we may have seen

or maybe we haven't seen just yet.

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But what would you rank him based on

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his characterization in this film?

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You know,

I was try to figure this one out.

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I was struggling where I would rank them

because I could see some qualities.

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He has some Nino-esque qualities

about him,

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but I don't think he was.

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Well, no, I think he could have been

easily as ruthless as Nino.

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I think he was not as

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wired up as Bishop was.

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Bishop was out to actually try

to prove himself,

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whereas as you see,

God, he's already established.

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But I would think

I would probably rank him

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about with Nino, because

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he he was he,

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he was kind of doing the work

of a Robin Hood type character,

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feeding the neighborhood.

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But he was making a lot of money

off of the poor people as well.

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And those are those scenes where he was

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actually pretty brutal

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with some of the guys,

like the one guy who was

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he believe was was an

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informant, was informant with the police,

you know, cut his tongue out.

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It's like, whoa,

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you know, you can kill him, but come on.

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And then the other guy

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for to

that was his one of his best friends from,

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you know, from elementary school.

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And he tortured him, killed him

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like, I think it was nothing.

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Was that the one?

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Is his God the godfather of his son?

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Was that the one?

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know, and I was just.

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And I wasn't even

that was just a speculative speculation

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that he believe

Frisco was trying to get was is,

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you know, whose baby's mother like

it wasn’t even confirmed.

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It was he thought it was going on. Yeah.

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So I think I think I rank him pretty high

just off of, just off of that.

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I mean, granted,

we don't see too much other scenes,

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but just off of those things alone,

you know, I think I put him up there.

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How about you, DynoWright?

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I think it's it's

third behind Bishop and Nino Brown, but

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it was it was good.

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I don't I'm

not sure that it was, like, iconic.

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And we try not to use that word so much,

but Nino Brown's iconic

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and I think he was

that quite as good as Nino Brown.

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The movie was another story, but

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the movie itself, it's another story.

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But L.L.

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Cool J was pretty good in this film.

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L L.L.

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Cool J was convincing as a bad guy,

but villain again, nickname was God.

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Dwayne Gittens,

I think, was his character's name.

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So as far as comparison

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comparison to these other villains, he's

kind of up there like the

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the brutality, the

like you mentioned Boogie, but he was also

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he was also hitting women,

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beating and torture as crew members,

violating them like the pool table scene.

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I mean, the body having the body cut up

in a dumpster like it was kind of jarring.

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But you don't.

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The problem I have with some of this movie

and I will get it, is

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some like the characters in the character

development and stuff like that.

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Like I didn't see that.

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You could see how Bishop turns heel.

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It led up to that to a crescendo,

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and you can kind of see how Nino Brown

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mind worked a little bit.

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We don't really see that.

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We just see this sheer brutality.

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So as far as characters

physically brutal way up on the scale,

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but as far as like a memorable character,

not quite as much.

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Right. Right, right. Okay.

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So mentioned at the intro, there were

several hip hop stars in the movie.

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Boogie, want to take us through Who.

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Hip hop fans would notice.

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And yeah. Sure.

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I'll take a stab

at who I was able to recognize.

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Well, although she's not necessarily

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a hip hop artist,

she's a pretty well-known R&B singer.

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Mya had had a brief cameo in the film.

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She played a character named Loretta.

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J...Cole/ J.

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Reid's

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graduation ceremony from the,

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he was graduating from the Academy.

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We have another character.

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Well, this one I noticed right away.

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So I sort of speaks of Shyheim,

who played the character of Che.

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Oh, Shyheim a.k.a.

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The Rugged Child,

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was a recording artist

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who who dropped onto the scene

at the age of 14 with this

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album titled The Rugged

Child, has a few memorable hits.

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He later affiliated with the Wu-Tang Clan,

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doing some songs

with a couple of artists there.

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who actually was the

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looks like

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we had to encounter

to prove that he was able

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to make a buying bust,

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that we have Sticky Fingaz

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from the group Onyx

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easy to spot him.

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He played a character named Ozzie who,

along with another cat,

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try to rob our main character.

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And that was not successful

and we didn't go well for him.

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This one, I spotted, too.

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She's an old school rap artist

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who was affiliated with the likes of

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the Audio Two, MC Lyte, MC

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Peaches, et cetera, Michie Mee.

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She had a brief cameo as well.

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She played a character named -

I had to look it up - her name was called,

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her name was Martha,

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and she was at the baptism ceremony

and she was actually going to be

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the godmother to God's son.

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Jermaine Dupri. Mr..

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So So Def himself,

who played a character named Melvin,

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had another brief cameo.

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There was a lot of brief cameos.

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They were in and out,

but he played the character named Melvin,

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who during the scene

tried to take our main character

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outside and rob him for his gold chain

and his money.

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But God's crew spotted the shadiness of it

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all and was able to stop him before

he was able to shoot our main character.

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Those are the ones that I knew I didn't.

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I was trying to see if there were more

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because they were popping in and out

so quick.

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But those are the ones that I spotted.

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Yeah, I think you covered them all.

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You had more than I listed out.

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Yeah, definitely Some.

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Some were bigger names

than others that you would

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recognize, like

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Nas, Jermaine Dupri, Sticky Fingaz, etc..

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DynoWright, any others that you noticed?

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No, although I would say the

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the guy who plays Latique, Hassan Johnson.

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I thought that guy could play Method Man.

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He kind of had the look... at first

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I thought, “oh is that Method Man?”

And then, now I realized there wasn't.

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So there was that.

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And also apparently David

Alan Grier has a cameo in this,

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and I didn't spot that at all.

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I was trying to find him.

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I couldn't see.

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I didn't see it.

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But yeah, good call on Michie Mee.

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I only noticed that in the credits

afterwards, like oh,

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I missed that whole one.

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So I kept looking at her face in my

she looks so familiar.

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I paused it.

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I'm like,

Wait a minute, I know who that is.

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Yeah.

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It really I think the only reason

I really recognized her

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right away was because

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she's she's friends.

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She's really good friends

with a friend of mine.

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Oh, I mentioned the emcee Peaches,

who was my

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who used to live down the street from me,

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and she actually signed

with First Priority.

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So she ran with that whole crew.

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And every now and then she'll post,

she put up a post

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with Michie Mee ‘cause they’re still cool.

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I’m like, oh, there you go.

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That's why I recognized her face.

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So a couple of things.

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Who else could have played

the role of God, which was played by L.L.

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Cool J.

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I mean, obvious choices would be some of

those other villains that we talked about.

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Probably Tupac,

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Wesley Snipes.

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Who else do you think could play it

or like maybe someone

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from this younger generation?

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What do you guys think?

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Right off the bat?

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I figured we could give it a little cause

because guy, he was

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he wasn't really loud.

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He was real low key,

but he was about his business.

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If we wanted to get somebody

a little louder.

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I was thinking somebody like DMX.

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Shake it up a little bit. Yeah.

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He's been in a movie with Nas before, so.

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Yeah, it worked.

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Yeah, I could see that.

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Trying to think of

who else would be a good,

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good character to play that,

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whether it be in hip hop world or or not.

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I had trouble answering this question.

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I think

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generally I didn't really like the movie,

but I started thinking like,

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what if they flipped?

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And what if Omar Epps played God and L.L.

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Cool J played J.

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Cole?Or not J.

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Cole, I'm saying, doing your thing.

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It’s easy to say that it was Jeff Cole,

but his alias was J.

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Reed. So we talk about J. Cole.

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Yeah, Yeah.

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They’re

messing me up 30 years later. Yeah, right.

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That's funny.

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That would be a good that would

that actually actually could still work.

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They should redo this movie with a better

script and have them flip roles.

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It could work, but I don't.

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Omar Epps doesn't like.

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I think he's just too likable.

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Like he's he's like even

even the role that he played it

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like everybody in the in the movie

suspected him as a cop.

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I'm like they could tell he's too,

he looks like too straight edge.

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Too nice.

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Like he's a guy

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you want to hang out with at a barbecue

and like, be like kind of like,

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I don't know.

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I just think

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he'd be tougher to play that role.

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‘Cause I don't know if he has that. Yeah.

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That mean streak.

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He definitely had a lot of close calls

of people thinking he was a cop though.

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I had a lot of problem

with those scenes. It's like. Yeah.

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If there's any doubt, there's no doubt.

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Right?

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So yeah, so call him out on it!

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I don't know.

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One of my many problems with the movie.

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Yeah.

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I got you.

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So what we're you know,

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we'll talk about pitfalls of the movie

I guess, but what were some of

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the highlights of the movie?

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Like what?

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What did you like about the movie

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Boogie?

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What were some of things

that you liked about it?

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I mean, I do like

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I do like crime dramas

and I do like stories about

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officers going undercover.

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Like one of my favorites is Donnie Brasco.

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So I love to see how,

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you know,

officers are able to get into the network

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and kind of get really close

in the different challenges

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that they have to face in doing so,

because it's the heart.

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I think the hardest part is like

as mentioned as mentioned in the movie,

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is that there's going to be a time

where they're going to test you

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and, you know, they're testing you

to see if you're down with them.

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They’re testing to see if you're a cop,

you know, And I think the movies that kind

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of can depict that and I did see that

this was loosely based on a true story. So

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I definitely

enjoyed those type of stories.

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I do think that

this one probably could have had some

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a little more development with it,

but I think overall,

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I like I like those kind of movies.

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Some of the

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some of the characters

were a little weird, but

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I mean, I mean,

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I do like I do I do like God’s portrayal.

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I do like L.L. Cool J.

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But yeah, he was he was the

he was very charismatic.

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You knew that he was a bad guy.

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It was something that we said,

you know, as to Tupac, you know,

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in different roles

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like you, you especially Bishop

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like you and Birdie, you,

you know, he's a bad guy,

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but you still kind of like to say,

oh, you know, so I think that

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that portrayal by L.L.

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Cool J was was pretty good.

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Let me see.

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Well, I mean, my agent, who's always,

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you know, put me along in the movie, so

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yeah.

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So there's always great there.

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But I think overall,

I think those kind of stories.

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All right.

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That right.

325

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What what did you like about the movie

most?

326

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Well, L.L. was good.

327

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Omar Epps is always good.

328

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Nia Long was good.

329

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And that was it.

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They were not given much to work with.

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I mean, Nia Long's whole story arc

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is really kind of tangential

and just unnecessary like that.

333

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If she wasn't in the movie, there were

no stakes that were raised or anything.

334

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And so that was almost like window

335

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dressing to have someone like Neil Yi,

you know, a waste of her talent.

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Yeah,

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I the world, I always take notes.

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Like, what do I like?

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Little anecdotes,

I guess, that I find in this story.

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I like Jeff's story of why

341

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he became interested in becoming a cop,

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how growing up in the projects

and seeing the names on the Great Wall

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of his neighborhood, of the kids

that had been slain, and that he clearly

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remembered the youngest one's name,

who was only three years old.

345

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And that inspired him to become a cop

and make a difference.

346

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I kind of like that.

347

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I almost wish.

348

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But again, I think I wish

development would've been more.

349

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Maybe we see a little bit of that

upbringing or flashbacks.

350

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That was my major problem!

351

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My major problem was

you don't know his motivation at all.

352

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Yeah. They don't show you. They tell you.

353

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And that's that's a terrible way

to try to develop a character like, yeah,

354

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you really needed

Nia Long to get this out of them.

355

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Like, Yeah, Oh, I hated this part. Okay.

356

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And then know.

357

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We don't care.

358

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Like, we don't, they don't make us care.

359

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Yeah, I was, I wasn't emotionally attached

to any of the characters, and there.

360

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Are no stakes in this movie

and there's no reason to think,

361

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you know, this is such a paint by numbers

movie that,

362

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you know, we got to the end.

363

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It's like, Oh,

nothing that changed actually.

364

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They got the guy.

365

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But that was it. Right? Yeah.

366

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Yeah.

367

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They dropped Nia Long in for guys like me,

they like Nia Long.

368

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Yeah, Yeah.

369

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It worked and it worked.

370

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It works. And like, I don't know.

371

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This is this is this is 1999, so she may

have been just kind of on the come up.

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So like, she wasn't even quite nearly

as established.

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I'm not sure what she had done prior,

but it's maybe one of those no earlier

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films in her career

and she's had quite a storied career.

375

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One of the highlight that I like that

it was put in the movie,

376

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you know,

in our introduction to the podcast,

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we talk about

we discuss larger societal issues.

378

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And there was that scene of police

brutality and racial

379

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profiling

following Jeff's argument with with Myra

380

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as these white cops came up on them,

you know, he had gotten out of the car.

381

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Is there a problem here is I'm a cop.

382

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They wouldn't believe him.

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And even when he was, you know,

he had his gun, you know,

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I don't know if he showed a badge or not,

but they wouldn't believe him.

385

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They still threw him down

and were beating on him.

386

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And I was like, you know, that was

387

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again.

388

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I had another another major problem

with that scene.

389

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So what was your problem with that scene?

390

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So they get into an argument,

which is fine, but that was the time

391

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when the cops show up.

392

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Like the cops

never show up when you need them.

393

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And and then if

if this was supposed to be a scene.

394

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So in the movie, the

395

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Cole and and and Myra having an argument

396

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and this is I think this is supposed

to portray that he's turning into Reed

397

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and he's losing his Cole-ness

And so he's he's in too deep, supposedly.

398

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But then when the cops come, oh, I'm a cop

399

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and I don't show my badge

and maybe they didn't have it on him.

400

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And so, like, you're are you in too deep

or you're not in too deep?

401

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And so the timing is terrible.

402

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Like, oh, they show up

just exactly when they're needed.

403

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The only reason that happens

because they wrote it in the script,

404

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there's no like reason for it to happen.

405

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So I was like,

Oh, this movie can't end fast enough.

406

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Will they please take down this kingpin.

407

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I'm tired of this.

408

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He flipped the J. Reid/Jeff Cole switch.

409

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Yeah,

410

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let's switch.

411

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So I looked it up.

412

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Nia Long was in Boyz n the Hood.

413

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Yes. Made in America.

414

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Mm hmm.

415

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Friday, 16

episodes of Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Yes.

416

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All before he even got into this movie.

417

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They. They did waste her talent.

418

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Soul Food. Love Jones.

419

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Yeah, Yeah.

420

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I mean, two episodes of Moesha.

421

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Benefit of the doubt,

but yeah, you're right. She was fine.

422

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I mean, she was fine, but they didn't

give her anything to work with.

423

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Also, the name's Jeff and Myra.

424

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No offense to people then that,

but like, does that sound like this?

425

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Sound like

426

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to me that sounds like two fans of like,

Peter, Paul and Mary.

427

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Would they sit by the campfire?

428

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Nerdy white folks?

429

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Yeah.

430

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There's a

there's a laziness to the character.

431

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The character writing

because the name of the actual person

432

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that God is named for is

his name is Dwayne Gittens.

433

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His name's Dwayne Gittens. Like

434

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you didn't do any

work to to change the character at all.

435

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You gave him the same name,

you spelled it differently, but like

436

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put some work in, please.

437

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Yeah, I mean, we're talking about

all the different pitfalls that are right.

438

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You mentioned a bunch. Any other ones?

439

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I don't think we have enough time.

440

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Well, so on the ferry.

441

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On the ferry where there

442

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were, Cole is taking pictures of

443

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of Myra. Mm.

444

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Oh, hold this camera.

445

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Let me, let me go get you a hot dog.

446

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And then that's when the the

I guess a DEA or.

447

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The the attorney general or whatever.

Yeah, Attorney general.

448

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The attorney general like

449

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shows up on the ferry with with his family

like another plot contrivance.

450

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Like, Oh, what, what great timing.

451

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I thought that was a little bit

too fortuitous.

452

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I could predict something's happening.

453

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Let me go get a hot dog.

454

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It's like, Oh,

it says right here in the script,

455

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you should

you will find that kind of attorney

456

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general

on a boat in the middle of a river.

457

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Right, what are the odds?

458

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Like, not like at his office or something

like, Well, what are they doing here?

459

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Oh, that was kind of odd.

460

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Oh man.

461

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All right, so let's let's let's switch

gears a little bit.

462

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Another legendary actress,

Pam Grier, was in it.

463

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All right, So what

464

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where should we all know Pam Grier from

for maybe the younger listeners?

465

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Pam Grier

466

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was a trailblazing actress.

467

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Multiple movies

like some of the blaxploitation

468

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films.

469

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She was huge in the seventies. Yes.

470

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She was like the quintessential,

one of the quintessential.

471

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Actors. Of any

472

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of any kind.

473

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In, in the blaxploitation genre.

474

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Yeah, Coffy.

475

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Coffy.

476

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Foxy Brown

477

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and many others.

478

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Yeah.

479

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Quentin Tarantino called her

the first female action star.

480

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And I think he's right. Yeah. Yeah.

481

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I remember when

482

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Tarantino brought her

into that role of Jackie Brown.

483

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She was a featured actress in back in 97,

and that was very fun.

484

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Movie was a good movie, a very fun movie.

485

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And I was like, Yeah, she she could take.

486

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But still she was a star of the seventies

and in the late

487

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mid to late nineties,

I mean, she was kicking butt

488

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So yeah she's,

489

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she's in this as one of the

490

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head head of the police crew

491

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You know we're they're wiring

492

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Jeff Cole up or J.

493

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Reid enlisting and her

and another associate

494

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kind of head of that investigation there

495

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and it's Stanley

Tucci played a guy named Preston who was

496

00:24:15,708 --> 00:24:18,333

Jeff's boss.

497

00:24:18,333 --> 00:24:22,083

And again, I kind of feel like his

talent was a little bit wasted too.

498

00:24:22,083 --> 00:24:24,333

This. He's a legendary actor, too.

499

00:24:24,333 --> 00:24:25,208

Yeah, easily.

500

00:24:25,208 --> 00:24:29,916

He's been in hundreds

of films and on Broadway. And

501

00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:30,750

I mean,

502

00:24:30,750 --> 00:24:33,375

his was like kind of a cookie cutter role.

503

00:24:33,375 --> 00:24:36,041

Yeah, there was nothing

504

00:24:36,041 --> 00:24:38,375

special about

505

00:24:38,375 --> 00:24:40,583

his performance, you know?

506

00:24:40,583 --> 00:24:42,458

No, no, They didn't give him much to work

with again.

507

00:24:42,458 --> 00:24:43,750

Much to work with. Yeah.

508

00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:46,458

It just kind of threw him in there.

509

00:24:46,458 --> 00:24:50,125

So. Hey,

we have a notable actor in the movie.

510

00:24:50,208 --> 00:24:55,041

Yeah, And yeah, Stanley Tucci is

one of my favorites-I love Stanley Tucci.

511

00:24:55,041 --> 00:24:56,666

Anything I see him and I'm like,

There you go.

512

00:24:56,666 --> 00:24:59,250

That's my man, right

there. He's a cool dude.

513

00:24:59,250 --> 00:25:00,708

That's very talented.

514

00:25:00,708 --> 00:25:02,916

Yeah, very cool, dude.

515

00:25:02,916 --> 00:25:08,250

Again, you look, I know some of his

memorable roles, and he's had so many.

516

00:25:08,458 --> 00:25:10,583

The Devil Wears Prada. Mm.

517

00:25:10,583 --> 00:25:12,083

Deconstructing Harry.

518

00:25:12,083 --> 00:25:15,375

Big Night. Prizzi’s Honor. Yeah,

519

00:25:15,458 --> 00:25:17,500

He was even in it for the MCU fans.

520

00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:19,500

Captain America, the First Avenger.

521

00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:20,125

Mm hmm.

522

00:25:20,125 --> 00:25:24,000

He's done

a ton of voice acting, and he still does.

523

00:25:24,083 --> 00:25:26,625

The younger generation might know him

from The Hunger Games.

524

00:25:26,625 --> 00:25:27,916

Yeah, that's right.

525

00:25:27,916 --> 00:25:32,041

That's right.

526

00:25:32,125 --> 00:25:33,333

He's been nominated for an Oscar,

527

00:25:33,333 --> 00:25:38,583

so he's not that bad.

528

00:25:38,666 --> 00:25:39,625

So let's talk

529

00:25:39,625 --> 00:25:42,541

before we do, like,

kind of rankings and ratings.

530

00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:44,333

I know we're going to go someplace.

531

00:25:44,333 --> 00:25:45,958

But how about. The soundtrack?

532

00:25:45,958 --> 00:25:49,291

We always talk about the soundtrack,

so I thought it was solid.

533

00:25:49,291 --> 00:25:51,000

What do you think, BooGie?

534

00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,541

No, I think the soundtrack

was definitely a solid soundtrack.

535

00:25:53,541 --> 00:25:55,625

I mean, yeah, from the intro.

536

00:25:55,625 --> 00:26:01,125

I mean, you get the, you know, Quiet Storm

remix soon as it comes on.

537

00:26:01,125 --> 00:26:03,000

That's one of my favorite favorites.

538

00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,875

I love that track.

539

00:26:04,875 --> 00:26:10,291

And it just it just so, you know, melodic,

but there some good songs in here.

540

00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:17,500

I mean, not necessarily songs

that you hear a lot on the radio, but

541

00:26:17,541 --> 00:26:19,708

they were good as far as,

542

00:26:19,708 --> 00:26:23,500

you know, make me want to nod in my head.

543

00:26:23,541 --> 00:26:28,458

I thought, I thought it was solid.

544

00:26:28,541 --> 00:26:29,250

Yeah I was nodding

545

00:26:29,250 --> 00:26:33,250

in my head in the song at the very end

too was solid.

546

00:26:33,250 --> 00:26:34,541

I forget which one that was but...

547

00:26:34,541 --> 00:26:38,250

In Too Deep It was really it was called

“In Too Deep” Nas and Nature.

548

00:26:38,250 --> 00:26:38,666

Yeah.

549

00:26:38,666 --> 00:26:39,250

Nas and nature.

550

00:26:39,250 --> 00:26:40,000

I like that song.

551

00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,416

I was like, Oh that's a banger

552

00:26:42,416 --> 00:26:43,458

on the soundtrack.

553

00:26:43,458 --> 00:26:46,458

Jermaine Dupri,

554

00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:48,500

Method Man and Redman, Lil Kim

555

00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:52,708

and Mobb Deep, 50 Cent, Jill Scott,

556

00:26:52,791 --> 00:26:55,708

star studded the Lox, yep.

557

00:26:55,708 --> 00:26:58,708

Star studded soundtrack.

558

00:26:58,708 --> 00:27:00,958

So that was

559

00:27:00,958 --> 00:27:03,208

one of the redeeming

qualities of the film.

560

00:27:03,208 --> 00:27:06,208

I think this could have been

a Netflix series if they had

561

00:27:06,416 --> 00:27:09,250

actually put a story to this.

562

00:27:09,291 --> 00:27:14,000

It is it could have been a series.

563

00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,708

I mean,

564

00:27:15,708 --> 00:27:19,416

I was thinking like because The Wire was

was is iconic is an iconic,

565

00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:24,625

you know, crime series

It takes place in and Baltimore.

566

00:27:24,625 --> 00:27:29,541

This is in Cincinnati

so it's got a similar backdrop

567

00:27:29,625 --> 00:27:33,083

but erm yeah I think it would,

I think it would give us that development

568

00:27:33,083 --> 00:27:34,500

that we were looking for. Yeah.

569

00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:36,083

That's the thing

if you could spread it out.

570

00:27:36,083 --> 00:27:38,541

The back story. Yeah.

571

00:27:38,541 --> 00:27:38,750

Yeah.

572

00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:40,166

All those things that we were looking for,

573

00:27:40,166 --> 00:27:43,125

you can definitely stretch

those out in the series.

574

00:27:43,125 --> 00:27:45,041

You know, the, the whole suspense.

575

00:27:45,041 --> 00:27:49,541

I didn't really feel any suspense of him

being found out because there was no,

576

00:27:49,625 --> 00:27:52,791

like every time they tested him, he'd say,

What do you think I am?

577

00:27:52,791 --> 00:27:55,791

And then they were just going,

they just move on.

578

00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,041

So, you know, the

579

00:27:59,125 --> 00:28:00,750

one of the best parts of Mad Men

580

00:28:00,750 --> 00:28:04,458

was that you were always on

the brink of Don getting found out.

581

00:28:04,541 --> 00:28:07,541

And so you could have used that in it.

582

00:28:07,541 --> 00:28:12,208

They could use that in a Netflix series

to build up the suspense

583

00:28:12,208 --> 00:28:15,666

and get people hooked on watching it.

584

00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:17,458

And I feel like J.

585

00:28:17,458 --> 00:28:20,458

Reid never really paid any consequences

586

00:28:20,458 --> 00:28:23,916

on his way up or paid any dues.

587

00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,250

I mean, he did have to make compromises,

principles all along the way.

588

00:28:28,250 --> 00:28:28,750

Some.

589

00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:33,791

But you never really felt, you know, the

stakes weren't very high or compelling.

590

00:28:33,791 --> 00:28:37,250

And so, like,

he shot the guy in the crotch, but,

591

00:28:37,333 --> 00:28:41,041

you know, an ultimatum

kind of felt like cartoonish and like, Oh.

592

00:28:41,125 --> 00:28:42,208

Right. Yeah.

593

00:28:42,208 --> 00:28:43,625

And it's supposed to,

594

00:28:43,625 --> 00:28:48,208

you know, push him down the path,

I guess, to the dark side. And

595

00:28:48,291 --> 00:28:50,791

there was still no like,

596

00:28:50,791 --> 00:28:54,125

there was no

there's no payoff for that in any way.

597

00:28:54,208 --> 00:28:56,958

And it would have been fun

to have a kind of cat and mouse game

598

00:28:56,958 --> 00:29:01,958

between God and Reid, you know,

because that

599

00:29:02,041 --> 00:29:04,125

why God trusted J.

600

00:29:04,125 --> 00:29:07,041

Reid so much throughout this film.

601

00:29:07,041 --> 00:29:08,625

I never really understood.

602

00:29:08,625 --> 00:29:12,916

So I think you could really work

that into a Netflix series

603

00:29:12,916 --> 00:29:16,625

and really build on like, why does he care

what, you know, this guy just showed up

604

00:29:16,708 --> 00:29:19,708

and he was trusted

more than his guys who been around him.

605

00:29:19,875 --> 00:29:22,875

And yeah, yeah,

606

00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:23,333

I don't know.

607

00:29:23,333 --> 00:29:25,916

It didn't feel that believable to me.

608

00:29:25,916 --> 00:29:27,125

Only they were only like

609

00:29:27,125 --> 00:29:30,875

paired against each other

because they were the lead actors and.

610

00:29:30,958 --> 00:29:35,291

It was kind of like

God was a training as a boxer or,

611

00:29:35,291 --> 00:29:39,041

or he liked to do that for fitness and J.

612

00:29:39,125 --> 00:29:42,125

Reid or Jeff or whatever it was.

613

00:29:42,291 --> 00:29:45,291

He was standing up to them

and he was able to spar with them or,

614

00:29:45,291 --> 00:29:47,583

you know, hell, I'm like, Yeah, okay,

you're in.

615

00:29:47,583 --> 00:29:48,416

Like, that makes sense.

616

00:29:48,416 --> 00:29:50,958

And you've got boxing

training in the academy.

617

00:29:50,958 --> 00:29:54,250

And I think these other guys,

like he the one guy, couldn't hold it.

618

00:29:54,250 --> 00:29:56,750

The, the heavy. Bag. Yeah.

619

00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:58,041

I mean that's, that's hard.

620

00:29:58,041 --> 00:30:01,666

But like,

no one else could hold the bag gloves.

621

00:30:01,666 --> 00:30:05,750

No one else can hold the, the target pads

622

00:30:05,833 --> 00:30:10,833

like and I've, I was like oh okay,

623

00:30:10,916 --> 00:30:11,791

you're in!

624

00:30:11,791 --> 00:30:15,208

You can hold you can hold focus pads

you're in

625

00:30:15,291 --> 00:30:17,041

right. Yeah.

626

00:30:17,041 --> 00:30:19,750

Like that. Was it like.

627

00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:21,291

The other aspect that could lead to

628

00:30:21,291 --> 00:30:24,666

a Netflix series would be,

629

00:30:24,750 --> 00:30:26,291

you know, Jeff

630

00:30:26,291 --> 00:30:31,000

being a trainer at the

as for the cadets and like,

631

00:30:31,083 --> 00:30:34,500

they have this pipeline of new of younger

undercover

632

00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:38,666

cops and kind of talk about their exploits

and maybe he gets engaged certain points

633

00:30:38,666 --> 00:30:43,708

and write in flashbacks

and some other tie ins that way.

634

00:30:43,791 --> 00:30:45,291

Yeah yeah.

635

00:30:45,291 --> 00:30:49,458

You could actually use Nia Long or,

you know, a love interest character

636

00:30:49,541 --> 00:30:50,875

for for some.

637

00:30:50,875 --> 00:30:53,250

Yeah. For some story benefit.

638

00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:54,833

And maybe they could put one plot twist

639

00:30:54,833 --> 00:30:59,208

in the Netflix series

because there weren't any in this movie.

640

00:30:59,291 --> 00:31:00,958

No definitely weren't any.

641

00:31:00,958 --> 00:31:03,500

You know you could predict this

from like a mile away like,

642

00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:07,791

oh yeah, give me your gun and badge

643

00:31:07,875 --> 00:31:10,875

and. It was a funny thing.

644

00:31:10,916 --> 00:31:16,375

Like at the end

it was like the cops come in and

645

00:31:16,458 --> 00:31:19,500

surround LL Cool J’s character.

646

00:31:19,666 --> 00:31:22,666

God and everything is like,

647

00:31:22,708 --> 00:31:23,791

wait, you're a cop.

648

00:31:23,791 --> 00:31:25,791

You're you're not a cop, you're a sellout.

649

00:31:25,791 --> 00:31:28,291

And it's like, what's this? Yeah.

650

00:31:28,291 --> 00:31:31,291

It was, it was such a letdown. Mm.

651

00:31:31,375 --> 00:31:33,208

Yeah. Yeah.

652

00:31:33,208 --> 00:31:36,916

And then Breezy turned state's evidence

at the end and I, it was like,

653

00:31:36,916 --> 00:31:41,250

nicely wrapped up in a detail like, oh,

654

00:31:41,333 --> 00:31:43,625

I'll be cool in three

and a half or whatever it was.

655

00:31:43,625 --> 00:31:50,333

You know, he'll do his time

and come out and be square.

656

00:31:50,416 --> 00:31:51,083

All right,

657

00:31:51,083 --> 00:31:54,708

so let's go round and give a rating.

658

00:31:54,791 --> 00:31:57,708

It's pretty much keep it, leave it.

659

00:31:57,708 --> 00:32:01,875

So we haven't done this in a little while

because we've been doing a lot of docu

660

00:32:01,875 --> 00:32:03,416

series and documentaries.

661

00:32:03,416 --> 00:32:06,416

So back to your traditional movie Boogie,

662

00:32:06,625 --> 00:32:12,625

bring that funky flick back, bring that

funky flick back or leave it in the vault.

663

00:32:12,708 --> 00:32:14,250

Yeah, I'm going to

664

00:32:14,250 --> 00:32:19,625

have to leave this one in the vault.

665

00:32:19,708 --> 00:32:22,416

Alright, DynoWright?

666

00:32:22,416 --> 00:32:27,041

Despite Roger Ebert giving this movie

thumbs up and I respect him greatly.

667

00:32:27,041 --> 00:32:31,083

I'm also leaving this in the vault.

668

00:32:31,166 --> 00:32:32,291

That makes three of us.

669

00:32:32,291 --> 00:32:34,375

I will leave it in the vault.

670

00:32:34,375 --> 00:32:37,958

The pitfalls and flaws in this one.

671

00:32:38,041 --> 00:32:40,916

You want to actively seek it out

when there's so much other

672

00:32:40,916 --> 00:32:42,625

great content out there.

673

00:32:42,625 --> 00:32:43,500

Yeah, maybe.

674

00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:45,125

Maybe some clips on YouTube.

675

00:32:45,125 --> 00:32:46,375

You watch L.L.

676

00:32:46,375 --> 00:32:50,125

Cool J or just watch NCIS

677

00:32:50,208 --> 00:32:52,166

or even Last Holiday

with the Queen Latifah.

678

00:32:52,166 --> 00:32:53,708

It's a fine film.

679

00:32:53,708 --> 00:32:54,083

That's right.

680

00:32:54,083 --> 00:32:57,000

Yeah.

681

00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:57,833

I mean,

682

00:32:57,833 --> 00:33:01,583

I did notice one actor in the movie

that I recognized from

683

00:33:01,708 --> 00:33:06,750

from one of my old movies

that I like to watch, though,

684

00:33:06,833 --> 00:33:09,291

David Patrick Kelly.

685

00:33:09,291 --> 00:33:15,458

Oh, he played

the DEA, the DEA agent, Rick Scott

686

00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:15,958

Shorter

687

00:33:15,958 --> 00:33:19,541

fellow in

the movie that was with the police officer

688

00:33:19,541 --> 00:33:26,291

who was trying to convince the DEA

to let Jeff continue to stay undercover.

689

00:33:26,375 --> 00:33:29,083

He was in one his in my fav-film

The Warriors.

690

00:33:29,083 --> 00:33:32,708

Old old gang movie from New York.

691

00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:33,583

Oh, yeah.

692

00:33:33,583 --> 00:33:36,708

He's the guy that actually shot Cyrus

in the beginning of the movie, hey that’s

693

00:33:36,708 --> 00:33:40,416

Luther right there!

694

00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:44,583

It's funny, every time I spotted him,

I'm like, Hey, I know him.

695

00:33:44,666 --> 00:33:46,708

That's a deep cut.

696

00:33:46,708 --> 00:33:57,375

Yeah.

697

00:33:57,458 --> 00:33:58,791

Bring it!

698

00:33:58,791 --> 00:33:59,541

C’mon!

699

00:33:59,541 --> 00:34:04,833

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700

00:34:04,833 --> 00:34:06,583

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701

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702

00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,083

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708

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709

00:34:35,708 --> 00:34:38,416

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710

00:34:38,416 --> 00:34:42,416

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711

00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:45,500

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712

00:34:45,541 --> 00:34:50,333

Oh, That's

713

00:34:50,333 --> 00:34:56,083

a good one.

714

00:34:56,166 --> 00:34:56,958

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715

00:34:56,958 --> 00:34:57,375

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