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Marvin:
Hey folks, it's Marvin Cash, the host of the Articulate Fly,

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Marvin:
and we're back with another Casting Angles with Mack Brown. How you doing, Mack?

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Mac:
I'm doing great. How you doing, Marvin?

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Marvin:
As always, just trying to stay out of trouble, and you know, it's kind of funny.

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Everybody's excited that spring came a little bit early in our neck of the woods.

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Mac:
Oh yeah it's been it's been really nice uh really nice warm days and i had a few,

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few exciting days there during the nationals last week that a lot of rain and

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cold but um for the most part i think it was the third most mild february on record yeah.

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It's interesting about the nationals i imagine some of those guys from out west

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that are used to fishing tailwaters were We're a little bit surprised at how

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much water is in the system.

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Mac:
Yeah, the creeks are plenty high. And the rains, of course, brought it up a little more.

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But it was cold. Like Friday, I watched the sessions up in Cherokee on the Ravens

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Fork and the general water as well.

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And I tell you, it was cold. I mean, 1 o'clock and it was still 33 degrees.

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It was a mix of sleet and snow and rain the whole morning and not the most ideal,

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pleasant conditions to be out in with the wind and all too.

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Mac:
So, yeah, that was probably, I think, the toughest day was Friday from what I saw.

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Marvin:
Yeah, and it was interesting. We started talking before we started recording,

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and kind of the idea we had to talk about this time, you know,

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from you watching everybody fish the nationals, was to talk a little bit about

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the four components of mindset.

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Mac:
Yeah, yeah, that'd be a great topic, and we'll hit a few of those maybe on our,

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On our show tomorrow, on the fundamentals casting that we've got going on tomorrow

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night, I thought that would be a good lead-in for what does that require.

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The first one, we'll just jump into it. The first one I would say is remaining curious.

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The more curious you remain, the faster I think you're going to grow.

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And so I think that's really one of the big components is having that curiosity that remains high.

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And then the second one, I think,

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is discipline, like discipline to how to get to where you want to be.

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I mean, that goes into what we've been preaching for 38 years.

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Like, how much does somebody practice? Oh, never.

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Then they go out on the river expecting to do great things, but yet they've

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never practiced anything.

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So it's just like that's kind of a waste of time. So we'll just say that you've

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got to get disciplined and get a regimen of practice. practice.

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And if you don't have that, then you're kind of wasting time spinning your wheels, you know.

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And then the third one would be humility, you know, because if you think you

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know way more than you really do know, then you're probably in trouble.

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And I think the best people that I know out there as far as instructors,

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teachers, and even the comp anglers that are on top of the world right now,

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they're incredibly humble because they're always trying to get more.

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Yet, didn't And you see the ones that are not as humble and I think they know

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a lot. And that's kind of a dangerous recipe as well.

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Cause that's kind of a limit to getting where they wanna be as well.

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And I'll go ahead, hit the fourth one is, and this falls under it with observation,

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that is to remain a naturalist and question everything.

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Like when you go out, and I don't mean just the fish and what bugs are in a

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spider web. I mean, are the birds singing or is it dead quiet?

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Are the cows laying down? Are they walking around seed and all those things,

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I think with the best anglers that I've known over the years,

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they're incredibly in tune, call it in sync, being a naturalist.

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They pay attention to everything, not just what they're doing, going to the river.

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Marvin:
Yeah, and I think all those things put together really is kind of a positive

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posture for life, right?

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I mean, because if you kind of put all that together, you know,

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the people that you find that not just are successful in the fly fishing world,

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but in other aspects of, let's just say, air quotes, real life, right? Right.

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You know, these are people that are incredibly disciplined about improving.

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They never stop and they're always curious.

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Mac:
Yeah i mean it's just like jimmy jimmy's one of my best friends here that you

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know jimmy estes that did the the mop fly back in the mid 90s and i fished with

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jimmy since i moved here in 87,

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and when i looked at the curiosity level i think jim is in his early 80s now,

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and uh he's still just tinkering non-stop kind of like in the light of dame juliana's book,

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trees of fishing with an angle which was the first book ever written on the

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sport of fly fishing and she's real encouraging throughout that book about making

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all your own gear and modifying it when you can and keep growing and tinkering

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with stuff and he's still tinkering with lines,

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probably more so now than when he when he you know had a real job he's been

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in retirement for years but i mean every time i see him he's like mac i got

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another line i want you to try and he's all the time playing with all these

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different setups and just tinkering in other words he's never ever really content with where he is.

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And that's really kind of a beautiful thing. Talk about curiosity.

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He's still as curious as when he first started as a kid, you know?

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So I think that's a good attribute.

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Marvin:
Yeah. And, you know, folks, we're going to take a deeper dive into this.

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So this is going to come out Wednesday morning on the 6th. On that evening,

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Mac and I are going to be doing a class, The Fundamentals of Casting.

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And we've been talking about this quite a bit on the Casting Angles series.

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You know, we've worked really, really hard to try to kind of distill things

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down to kind of get rid of kind of the noise and the fluff because we don't

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like fluff, do we, Mac Brown?

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Mac:
No, no. It's funny that out there on the World Wide Web.

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Marvin:
Yeah, so to try to boil it down, and so the link will be in the show notes.

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It's going to be at 7.30 Eastern time. If you can't make it,

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no worries. We're going to record it and it'll be up there.

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But it's the first in a series of three parts,

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that's going to, I think, really help you have a completely different perspective

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perspective about how casting fits into your fishing life on the water and you

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know mac i know you've got one fly fishing show coming up to go go to and you're done right.

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Mac:
Yeah, I'll be done after this coming weekend,

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and I'll go to Michigan on Friday, so the Midwest Fly Fishing Expo,

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and we wrap up Sunday night, and I think that's my last one,

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unless I go to, I might go to Munich still, I don't know, but I'm not sure on

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that, I hadn't committed to that one yet.

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Marvin:
Well, that sounds interesting, get on an airplane, fly across the pond, right? Right.

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Mac:
Oh, yeah. The only reason I want to do it if I go is there's a lot of friends

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that I've did I teach with over there over the years that I'd like to see.

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And I don't get to see him that much in America. So if I did go to that, it'll be more for me.

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I'll have to teach and do the same things that I do here, but it'd be more the

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industry friends that work there.

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For me, that that would be that'd be the only reason I consider it right now.

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Marvin:
Yeah, got it. And, you know, it's warming up. So, you know, I imagine that means

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guide trips and schools. Where can folks get more information?

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Mac:
The best place is probably on the website. It's at flyfishingguideschool.com

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for the school information.

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And then macbrownflyfish.com would be the best place to find out.

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And it has all the contact info and it spells out, you know,

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big thing too, I'll just emphasize is read it. because the worst thing in the

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world, I've been in tourism 38 years and it's not fun answering the phone and

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everything's written in the first paragraph but people didn't read the first paragraph.

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You know what I'm saying? So they ask you the same thing that's already there.

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So there's a reason why we put a lot of time in writing it and making it pretty

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concise and to the point.

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And I don't think many people spend more than a few seconds.

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They see the website and they're like, there's Marvin's number, I'm going to call him.

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But there's a reason it's written up in the first paragraph how it works.

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Marvin:
Yeah, and interesting too, right? Right. Because it kind of goes back to the

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whole mindset conversation we started out this episode with that tells you a whole lot.

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Right. About how that person internalizes the mindset for improvement.

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Mac:
Yeah. Yeah. It kind of ties right back into it, doesn't it?

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Marvin:
Yeah. And so, you know, folks, check out the schools, get out on the water with

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Mac and, you know, it's warming up.

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You know, if you're out west, we've still probably got a few more fly fishing

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shows running kind of, you know, maybe into March, deeper into March, maybe early April.

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Roll but you know go to a show if the weather where you are is not great tie

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some flies otherwise get out on the water tight lines everybody tight lines matt tight lines marvin.