Welcome to where technology becomes
user friendly.
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2.0 with host Bill Sikkens,
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technology architect.
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And this is user friendly 2.0
I am your host.
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Bill Sikkens.
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Bill, Gretchen. Welcome welcome. Hello.
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Well to you and everybody that celebrates
that.
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Happy Halloween is coming right up here.
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I can't believe
we're already to this point.
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And, I'll let you know afterwards
how the arcade party went.
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That's going to be interesting.
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So we're going to have
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our last look back episode for the season,
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and we're looking back at robots
as they were about a year ago.
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Some other things in there too, some
great interviews and that type of a thing.
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But the robots are
what we're going to be focusing on.
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And the idea here is next month
we're going to be covering what
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these different technologies
this weeks and the last couple of weeks
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that we've done this for
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have done where they've evolved or haven't
and what direction
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they've gone in or haven't,
you know, whatever the case may be.
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So with that,
and with no further ado, let's
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set our time machines back
approximately one year.
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So we've got a really cool
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guest interview coming up again
this week in the second segment,
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getting a lot of different perspective
from authors.
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And this has been really kind of cool
and a little bit unexpected.
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And it's kind of neat
to see the different direction
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that different people take for their art,
you know, or
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as I think he calls it today, the Craft.
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I always thought that was doing movies, but I guess that's also writing books. And,
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But, you
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know, different directions
and a lot of really good stuff.
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And, you know, I'm going to
want to sit down
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and actually read through some of
these times, but it does take some doing.
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The one of the other interviews
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that we're going to have in
a couple of weeks is an author that's
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actually he was going to write a book,
and he's written five.
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And from what I've seen,
but they're actually really good. It's
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so I haven't seen any bummers yet,
which is kind of cool.
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Another set that's going to be coming up
in a few weeks as a cyberpunk fantasy,
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but where the world gets good,
and I try to explain to them,
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there's no way that's cyberpunk.
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But,
at least not with that conclusion that,
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but, we shall see, I suppose.
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Well, I mean, okay, here's the question.
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Has cyberpunk become a genre?
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Yeah, it's been on Earth for a while.
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Right.
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So then, you know, it can go either way.
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It doesn't have to be, it can,
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and I don't disagree with you on that,
but part of what cyberpunk
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is, is kind of this post-apocalyptic,
everything's horrible idea.
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I think if you tried to make it good,
it wouldn't really be cyberpunk.
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However, I will say that
from what I understand, the way they've
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put this together, it kind of keeps its,
you know, that intact.
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So we'll see.
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Again, be interesting
to see where that goes.
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And then for that particular one,
since we're talking about it, there are
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books are set 100 years
after cyberpunk 2077.
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So I don't know,
maybe good things happen in 100 years.
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We shall see.
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Already on that cherry note.
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What do we have in the news
this week? Okay.
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Oh my God, this term is just, like,
really freaking me out.
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It's kind of kind of intense
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pig butchering scams increasing
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what exactly is this?
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Okay, first of all, just for everybody,
don't worry about it.
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From a standpoint, this is not literally
what the headline says.
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This has nothing to do with pigs
or animals or anything like that.
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It's just a term that they're using.
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But what it is, is it's a scam
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that has cost over 75 billion in loss
over the past four years
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and is something that's quite,
quite intense.
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You know,
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so what this basically comes down to
is it's a long term situation.
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So it's people that are kind of,
trying to scam for the long term.
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So you get an unsolicited call
or email or whatever, you respond to it,
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and you talk to
somebody who gets into your confidence
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and they'll talk to you.
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They'll send personal messages
throughout the day,
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and then later they invite you
to join them in a cryptocurrency trade.
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Okay. What could go wrong here?
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Yeah.
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And, they discuss openly with you
personal finances,
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purchases and vacations.
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And then finally, your new online
friend asks you to send money.
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So if this is going on or you
get an unsolicited anything, don't do it.
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Because there's a lot of different
techniques out there for these people
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to tell you and your money
and have you apart from each other
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and or seeing a lot of different
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approaches, this just being another one.
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And at the end of the day,
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you're not going to make money off
cryptocurrency doing this.
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I'm still of the opinion
that unless you're very lucky,
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you're not going to make money off
cryptocurrency, period.
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But this is one
where you almost certainly
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you're going to lose anything you put it.
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So in other words,
the victim becomes the pig.
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Yeah.
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And that's where that term comes from.
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On same note, hackers
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infest users of antivirus service
that deliver updates over Http.
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So from a technical perspective,
the first thing I had to ask is,
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it seems like delivering
or doing your antivirus over your browser
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or getting the updates,
which is what this would be.
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I could see there being a lot of problems
with that.
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I mean, you download updates,
but it's usually done by the antivirus
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software that you're running,
not through this type of an interface.
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So what's been going on here?
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And they think the hackers
are tied to North Korea.
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So this is a government thing
that's been going on with it.
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And they're using something
called a man in the middle attack.
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And basically what that means
is they're interfering
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with the data transfer,
but not on the end of the company.
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You're getting it from a not on your end.
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So the antivirus company sends
the correct information.
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They replace it with a malicious file.
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Wallet's in transit.
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And then what you receive
is the malicious file.
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So that's how that works.
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And these type of things
it takes a lot to pull off.
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And it's very complicated
and the way that they do this.
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But this is just to kind of
sum it up a big reason why
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you want the Https on your browser.
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And I still wouldn't download
antivirus updates in this way,
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but that at least tells you
the website is communicating with you.
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And as far as I know,
and they have hacked this before.
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But the current standard of this does
lock it down.
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So if you, you know,
or at least you should know and hopefully
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that the website you're dealing with
is really what it purports to be.
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So these kind of attacks, they're not new,
but this methodology of doing
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it is new or however
this has been going on since 2019.
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Apparently
the company by the way, is called E scan.
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So if you're using E scan I would suggest
getting different antivirus software.
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This has been going on
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since 2019, which is five years
that they didn't seem to notice.
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Wow. You know, so
I, I have a hard time with stuff like that
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because it's, you know, it's one thing,
okay, they hack in
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and they get in a way that you didn't
expect that you deal with it and move on.
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But a five year
breach like this is a little weird.
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But in any event,
if you're using E scan at this point, just
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it would be time to upgrade your antivirus
software, or just simply use
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the one that comes with windows.
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If you're running Windows 11 or Windows 10
is it works well too.
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It's going to certainly work better
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than something you get through
the web like that.
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Definitely. Okay.
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Why vector databases are having a moment
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as the AI hype cycle peaks.
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What exactly is a vector?
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Okay, so vector, why don't you
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I was going to say to get started
with this, maybe you could explain
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the difference between SQL, NoSQL,
vector databases and things like that.
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I could make something. I wouldn't yeah.
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I mean in most cases
I don't think anybody would know
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the difference unless you work within it.
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This is a very, very, analytical topic.
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But what's going on here
is they're talking about
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different styles of databases.
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So when you use the internet
or many other things for that matter,
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you're probably interacting
with a database.
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You might not directly know that you are,
but most interactive technology
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that sends you information of some kind
has to pull it from somewhere.
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And usually that's a database.
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And there's many different ways
to set that up on the back end
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to be able to provide this information.
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One of the most common ones
is something called SQL, SQL.
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It stands for Structured Query Language,
and it's basically a database
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that holds information
that's in the structure of some kind.
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So you want the name, address,
phone number or email address to be saved.
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That's structure.
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And then you have
whatever records go along with it.
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This is the very similar system
to some of the old softwares
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we used to have, like dBASE and others
that, FileMaker Pro I think was like this.
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Anyway, that keep, Microsoft
Access is another big one.
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Sorry. I'm just trying to think.
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And it's, I mean,
to get the rust off the brain to go back.
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But in any event that modern systems
use these kind of databases
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in a newer way than Microsoft Access,
etc., to be able to store information,
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and they work pretty
well if you have a structure.
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Problem is just not
everything works that way.
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So if you're storing videos or images
or something that doesn't know here
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to a predefined data model, SQL doesn't
work that well for dealing with it.
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So that is where you get things
that are commonly called NoSQL.
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And vector databases are something
that would fall into that category
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and really where they're, coming into
this is generative AI
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as they're trained to use
this kind of a database
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a lot better than SQL and some of
the other things that are out there.
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And one of the things I've been finding
is that using this kind of a back end
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allows AIS to reduce
what they call hallucinations,
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and what that is, is where the AI gives
you completely fictitious information,
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or something of that nature,
a lot of hallucination.
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And one of the reasons for that is because
depending on how the AI is developed
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and what it actually is, it's
pulling from a massive database,
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but it's not necessarily
going to know in certain situations
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whether the information it has
is real or not.
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Some do, some don't.
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So at the end of the day,
that's where you have had problems
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and probably seen in the news
where there was a lawyer that did this
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and some other examples
that they wrote or stuff using an AI
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that didn't have this differentiation
capability.
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And the information was written well,
but it was completely false.
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Three you know, because it
it doesn't know if it's
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pulling it from reality or from, you know,
the Harry Potter book or something.
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It's that kind of thing.
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So in any event, so what's happening is
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AI is starting
to really get into everything.
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The systems that run
it are becoming more and more popular,
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and vector databases,
which is probably not something
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most of us have even heard about before,
are coming to the forefront.
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So to try and keep this from
being really deep technical,
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it just simply means that
when you interact with an AI,
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you might not be interacting
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with the same kind of database
you have on other things,
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and whether that is relevant to you
is you're in to figure out.
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Noncompete are dead
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and tech workers are free to roam.
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So this came in,
this is from wired magazine.
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And what this is talking about
is the Federal Trade Commission
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is putting a new rule
and it invalidates non-compete agreements.
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So there's two sides of thought on this.
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I know in my career I've dealt with this.
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Basically what it comes down to
is I go work for company A, and company
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A has me signed an agreement
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that I can't go work for company
B, which would be their competitor.
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You're doing the same thing
for three years.
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Two years,
whatever the term of the non-compete is.
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The problem with that is,
is when you leave company
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A, you're not allowed to practice
your expertise in certain situations.
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So this type of thing
has been controversial to say the least.
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And at the end of the day, it's taken,
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the Federal Trade Commission
to step in here and deal with this.
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They're saying that it's going to create
about 8500 new businesses
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annually, not jobs, but actual businesses.
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An average annual
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pay increase of $524
for each worker, lower health costs,
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and as many as 29,000 more patents
each year.
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Over the next decade.
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Now, the one thing
that I do have to footnote
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on this from Wired's article is
the non-compete are not dead yet.
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There's about a four month process
that this has to go through with the FTC,
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and there are some powerful people
objecting
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to this new rule, saying that
it's an overreach and that kind of thing.
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But it may actually end up
in front of the Supreme Court.
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However, if it does get to that point,
we might still see the legislation change.
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It's just not going to be tomorrow.
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And it's just important to note
that this isn't in effect yet.
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All right, TSMC says
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A16 Chipmaking Tech
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IV in 2026 setting up showdown with Intel.
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That was what a lot.
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I'm assuming one of you is a company
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and the other one is a product.
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Yeah.
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Taiwan Semiconductor
Manufacturing Corporation, by the way,
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is what that stands for.
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And the other part
that was all letters in there,
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A16 is a model of a microprocessor.
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So that's
what all that kind of breaks down too.
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So, you know, there's
a number of different companies that make
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the central processing units
that are used in a lot of our lines
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and the Intel, AMD
or some of the most common ones.
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But there are other companies out there
that put these things together,
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and this is setting itself up
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to be a direct competitor to Intel
and AMD, which would be interesting
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because you might have a third
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kind of computer processor
that you would get someday.
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Now, this isn't that unusual, like Apple
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uses their own thing and a lot of others
do, but for the most part,
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you're probably if you're not using a mac,
you're
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probably have a computer
that has either Intel and AMD.
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It's not 100%,
but it is the most common thing out there.
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And that's why this could be a big deal.
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And it could actually help
to bring down prices
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and that type of thing
to have more options out there.
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So it'll be interesting
to see where this ends up.
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But if it does come out
and if it is successful,
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it, you know,
certainly we'll give a third class.
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Now, the one thing
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not to worry about
is that doesn't mean you're going
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to have a third operating system
or anything like that.
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The idea is this would run
what is on the market now, today,
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it just be a different method or a
different brand, if you will, of doing it.
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So whether you have an RCA television or a
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LG television, you can watch the same
television signal, same idea.
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Deadpool and Wolverine trailer released.
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Yeah.
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So it's in post-production.
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This has been talked about for a while
and kind of our next movie like this,
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and I, you know,
I have to say Wolverine, Deadpool,
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or some of the two most violent,
characters out there.
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So this could be very interesting
to see where this ends up.
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And if it's something
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we're going to be saying
after you finished watching the movie,
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it's expected release
date is July 26th in post-production now,
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so we'll see if they meet that or not,
which usually they do at this point,
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but you never know what happens.
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So, you know,
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we'll have to check this one out
because this is a kind of movie that is,
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you have to understand,
like Deadpool and Wolverine,
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these are two individuals
that are extremely hard to kill
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by nature of their superpowers.
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Just try. Ever. You want to call it.
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These are two people who have a hard time
dying.
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So, if they were to get in a fight
with each other,
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it's probably going to go on
for a long time.
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Now, that would be interesting.
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I think maybe that's the movie
we don't know.
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Instead of Deadpool,
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maybe we could have Deadpool versus
Wolverine back,
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I don't know, someone called The Who
and what franchise is this Marvel,
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I think yeah, someone call a franchise
and let them know
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that they want to fight each other
and then becomes a note.
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Yeah, I don't know what the storyline is.
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There isn't been a lot of talk
about that yet, but, like you say.
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And the other thing is, is
the characters are very different.
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I mean, Wolverine is kind of almost,
he's he's strange.
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I don't know, I think seriously,
but I want to be
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on the other hand, it's like, yeah,
we're going to the camera and wave to you,
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you know that,
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like a lot of it's nothing serious
like is a fourth barrier or what is that?
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Yes, exactly.
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Fourth wall.
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Fourth wall.
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Fourth wall.
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So anyway, the other thing
that's interesting,
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I know some of the characters in here
or the actors rather are people.
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Patrick Stewart's going to be back
as professor X really understand
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a array Park is going to be in the movie,
so that'll be interesting.
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I don't think he'll be read, but,
he'll be there.
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So we'll see where this ends up going.
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This has the potential to be really good
or really bad, I don't know.
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And sometimes it's.
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In build to limit car speeds.
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Tell us about that.
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Yeah.
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So in a shocking revelation,
the state of California
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wanted to create a role that by 2029,
at least 50% of new vehicles and by 2032,
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all new vehicles sold in the state
had a governor installed, it would know
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the speed limit of where you were
and would not allow you to exceed it.
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I think there was a ten mile per hour
variance in there
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and that kind of a thing.
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And believe it or not, there were
a few people that had a problem with that.
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And I can't understand why.
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I mean, you know, what's the speed limits?
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And for safety or something, you do need
to be able to speed up a little bit.
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You wouldn't be able to do that.
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And the other side of it
is this technology does fail sometimes.
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What if it has the wrong element
for where you are?
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Yeah.
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You know, so.
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They have changed this.
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Now for anybody that is concerned,
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I say that tongue in cheek, because this
is just such a weird thing to think about,
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that an outside influence would be able
to have that on your private vehicle.
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I know governors and things
like that exist on commercial vehicles
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and some other things, but that's a still
a little bit different than my Nissan.
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You know?
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And from that standpoint,
that's where a lot of people are like,
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you know, objecting to this.
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So it's been modified
now that the requirement is still there
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to have a thing that will advise you
if you exceed the speed limit
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in the same capacity or 50% in 2029
and so on.
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But it just has a wild thing or something.
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Is it going to keep your car from
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fitting other cars,
or are they grandfathered in?
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That's good.
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No, there doesn't seem to be any kind of
like a backward requirement.
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So if you have an older vehicle,
you know that doesn't
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have this or right now, any vehicle.
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And you know, once again, you're going
to be prohibited from using it.
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Just anything.
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Now people are not going to want in
other states.
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Yeah yeah yeah, yeah.
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But yeah,
the adoption of these type of things,
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this is a lot like electric vehicles.
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There's no rule that you can't have
a gasoline powered car,
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except that all cars sold I think by 2030,
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have to meet such stringent pollution
requirements
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that they could only be an electric car,
you know, so.
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But you're, you know, my 1970, whatever
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it is, a 66 Volkswagen
bug is still legal to drive
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even after these rules go into effect,
without having to change it in some way.
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Yeah.
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Voyager one is talking again.
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Yes. And this has been
an interesting thing
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for especially space enthusiasts,
which seems to be everybody at NASA.
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Imagine that.
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So what happened is,
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for anybody that doesn't know, Voyager
one and Voyager two
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are the only human made objects
that are in interstellar space.
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In other words,
have left our solar system,
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and they're still both in communication
with us.
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But about six months ago,
it was last fall, sometime
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there was a problem where Voyager one
was sending back information,
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but the information was gobbledygook.
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It wasn't able to be used in any way.
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And something was scrambling it.
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So they were trying to figure it out.
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Well,
you know, when you're updating software
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that is a project debugging,
that is its own beast sometimes.
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But in this case, everything they did,
it's 22.5 hours for their radio signal
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to reach Voyager, make the change,
and then another 22.5 hours if it worked.
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See if you get different information back.
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So, and then on top of that,
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you're dealing with technology
that was built in the 70s,
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and there aren't a lot of people around
that can support that anymore, either.
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You know, it's,
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outside of pinball machines.
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We seem to be able to fix them. Okay.
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But no, in all seriousness,
what they ended up doing
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is they figured out that
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what was causing the problem is a chip in
the system had failed.
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Now, again, these missions
were supposed to be five years.
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So the fact that they're even
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still running, I can't fault it for that
after all this time.
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But what they ended up doing is
they were able to move the code
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and the other parts
of the system's memory.
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It was too big to fit in any of the other
pieces themselves, so they broke it up.
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I mean, whoever programed
this really knew what they were doing,
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and then they tested it out
and they've been able to do that
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in such a way that they've been able
to completely bypass the memory chip.
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It went out
and they're now getting data back.
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That is what they need it to be,
which is kind of really cool
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to think that, you know, I think it's a do
430
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you think that qualifies as the farthest
away service call ever performed?
431
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Yeah. It's not out
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now. I
think it's cool they were able to fix it.
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And I think a lot of people
kind of had figured,
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you know, that was kind of the end of it.
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And it wouldn't have really been
that negative of the thing.
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Because again, you're dealing with systems
that were not meant
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to do what they're doing in any capacity.
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You know, I mean, when the Voyagers went
up, the Atari system was just brand new.
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You got to think about it.
That's where we are.
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I don't even think we had VCRs
and stuff like that yet.
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And if we did, it was in a very,
very early phases of them.
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You know, you listened to music off
a record or they did have eight tracks.
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So there was at least that. But, you know,
444
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and this thing still works.
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And they were not only that,
when there was a malfunction,
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they were actually able to bring it back.
So that's pretty cool.
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You know, I don't know, I am
in the space stuff I always have been.
448
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So it's kind of fun to see
some of the things that come out here.
449
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One other thing that came too,
from one of the Mars orbiter is just
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this kind of a topic is
they found spiders on Mars.
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I'm sure. Gretchen, you would love that.
452
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Yeah. Not really.
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Not at least in what you would think.
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What they found on
Mars, though, is something that
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atmosphere looks like spiders.
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But what it is, is actually
a geological process that causes
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carbon dioxide to bring darker
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material up to the surface, to what
they would consider in their spring.
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But when you look at it from orbit, it
looks like there's all these spiders. And
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you not
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something I
think that I'd really want to experience.
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Although I do understand
the job was to go to Mars,
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maybe would race to brokers
go to any sites?
464
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I guess that's important
to find the spiders.
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Yeah, evidently.
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And, Yeah. Grog.
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I think,
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I don't know that.
469
00:24:16,955 --> 00:24:19,257
Gretchen, you got to understand,
that was a long, long time ago.
470
00:24:19,257 --> 00:24:20,459
Somewhere far, far away.
471
00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:22,127
And on that very bad joke.
472
00:24:22,127 --> 00:24:24,129
We are going to take a break.
473
00:24:24,129 --> 00:24:27,399
Yeah, we will be back with an interview.
474
00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:29,668
They don't see him.
475
00:24:29,668 --> 00:24:31,670
He's from the future.
476
00:24:31,670 --> 00:24:34,840
He's got a really big computer,
477
00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:38,477
and he uses it every day.
478
00:24:38,877 --> 00:24:41,980
And he uses it in every way.
479
00:24:42,247 --> 00:24:43,915
Oh, I see you sure.
480
00:24:43,915 --> 00:24:46,651
You know, I'm not sure because you.
481
00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:48,987
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482
00:24:48,987 --> 00:24:50,622
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483
00:24:50,622 --> 00:24:52,691
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484
00:24:52,691 --> 00:24:53,792
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485
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486
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487
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488
00:25:01,233 --> 00:25:02,868
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489
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490
00:25:05,237 --> 00:25:08,373
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491
00:25:08,373 --> 00:25:10,876
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492
00:25:10,876 --> 00:25:11,977
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493
00:25:11,977 --> 00:25:15,347
It's how we do our programing
and we love to hear from everybody.
494
00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:19,851
So interesting thing last week
we were at the Career day,
495
00:25:20,118 --> 00:25:21,353
at Sherwood High School.
496
00:25:21,353 --> 00:25:24,055
We had that on the show and,
and our guests and everything,
497
00:25:24,055 --> 00:25:26,358
which was really
cool, was a really neat event
498
00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:27,592
and I'm glad we were able to go to it.
499
00:25:27,592 --> 00:25:31,730
But one of the things that I have put
together, it's really for another purpose
500
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:34,733
was able to have there was a little robot
501
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,269
and people seem to kind of like it.
502
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:40,705
The thing looks like a replicator out
of, Stargate a little bit.
503
00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:44,342
And, it's a six leg, hexapod.
504
00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:48,446
And, we're using it as a proof of concept
for something the client's doing.
505
00:25:48,446 --> 00:25:50,815
But it was kind of cool to be able
to have it,
506
00:25:50,815 --> 00:25:54,653
and we've gotten it working,
and he died five minutes before me.
507
00:25:56,721 --> 00:25:59,724
So. So my question is, is, did you get it
fixed?
508
00:26:00,091 --> 00:26:01,326
Yeah, I've gotten them fixed.
509
00:26:01,326 --> 00:26:04,696
And what had happened was
and this is part of prototyping
510
00:26:04,696 --> 00:26:07,999
is a, there's a logic board in there
that controls things.
511
00:26:07,999 --> 00:26:11,937
And there's a component called a diode,
which causes electricity
512
00:26:11,937 --> 00:26:13,338
to only go one way.
513
00:26:13,338 --> 00:26:14,072
And the reason for
514
00:26:14,072 --> 00:26:17,976
that is because the Raspberry Pi circuit
that I'm using to build this thing on
515
00:26:18,510 --> 00:26:21,212
has some functions
that we won't need in the final product.
516
00:26:21,212 --> 00:26:23,281
And one of them is
it tries to recharge the batteries.
517
00:26:23,281 --> 00:26:25,517
But I'm not using rechargeable batteries.
518
00:26:25,517 --> 00:26:28,486
So if you do that
it can be extremely problematic.
519
00:26:28,486 --> 00:26:29,621
So the purpose of a diode is
520
00:26:29,621 --> 00:26:32,624
to make sure the power comes
one way and doesn't go back.
521
00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:35,427
Well, it was actually the evening before
522
00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:38,463
I was finalizing some stuff
and he just stopped working.
523
00:26:38,997 --> 00:26:42,000
And it was because this ten cent
diode popped
524
00:26:42,334 --> 00:26:45,870
and there's no way to really replace it.
525
00:26:45,870 --> 00:26:47,372
I couldn't there's no more RadioShack.
526
00:26:47,372 --> 00:26:48,573
I couldn't go buy a diode.
527
00:26:48,573 --> 00:26:50,342
I didn't have one here.
528
00:26:50,342 --> 00:26:52,711
So unfortunately,
these type of things happen.
529
00:26:52,711 --> 00:26:55,747
But yeah, we got him up and running
and he's actually a neat little guy.
530
00:26:55,747 --> 00:26:58,750
He's got a bunch of sensors on them
and different things like that.
531
00:26:58,750 --> 00:27:01,052
He can tell distance,
he can walk properly,
532
00:27:01,052 --> 00:27:03,488
which is kind of cool, self-leveling,
all of that type of thing.
533
00:27:03,488 --> 00:27:06,992
And he has a camera.
I don't have any sound
534
00:27:07,225 --> 00:27:10,228
system set up on him,
although he does have a buzzer.
535
00:27:10,328 --> 00:27:12,897
So buzzer what's the buzzer for?
536
00:27:12,897 --> 00:27:13,999
Yeah.
537
00:27:13,999 --> 00:27:16,034
To tell us if there's a problem.
538
00:27:16,034 --> 00:27:20,772
And, I don't think that'll be
on the final version either, but,
539
00:27:20,772 --> 00:27:22,340
it was something that was there,
540
00:27:22,340 --> 00:27:25,343
but they know
videos as you're looking at complexity
541
00:27:25,543 --> 00:27:29,347
and any more circuitry you have,
especially circuitry you don't need,
542
00:27:29,781 --> 00:27:33,151
takes more battery
and has more that can possibly go wrong.
543
00:27:33,585 --> 00:27:36,588
And a sound card
is something that draws a lot of power.
544
00:27:37,422 --> 00:27:40,258
They have any kind of ability to reproduce
that.
545
00:27:40,258 --> 00:27:44,162
You have to have an amplifier circuit
in addition to the digital card, a digital
546
00:27:44,162 --> 00:27:47,666
analog converter, and then whatever
sound you're going to use, plus a speaker.
547
00:27:48,266 --> 00:27:51,169
So there was just no reason to do that
because we didn't need it.
548
00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:54,205
And it's what that's going to be used
for doesn't require sound.
549
00:27:54,205 --> 00:27:56,341
But you know, that's just part of it.
550
00:27:56,341 --> 00:27:57,742
You could have it if you wanted it.
551
00:27:57,742 --> 00:28:02,480
And the Raspberry Pi prototyping boards
do support that kind of thing.
552
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,351
So it's a matter of really adding in the
appropriate circuitry and turning it on.
553
00:28:06,351 --> 00:28:09,120
But again, in this case
didn't have that. Don't need it.
554
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:10,855
The other stuff that's in
there is kind of cool.
555
00:28:10,855 --> 00:28:12,190
It also has a seismic sensor.
556
00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:13,992
One of the things
that we're looking at doing with
557
00:28:13,992 --> 00:28:16,995
it is when you have something
like an earthquake,
558
00:28:16,995 --> 00:28:20,198
having the sensor array on it,
and the final version being a lot smaller,
559
00:28:20,198 --> 00:28:21,433
you can put them around
560
00:28:21,433 --> 00:28:24,436
and if a building has collapsed
or something of that nature,
561
00:28:24,502 --> 00:28:28,039
a little robot can pick up vibrations
and stuff that you couldn't
562
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:29,507
otherwise hear,
563
00:28:29,507 --> 00:28:32,143
and you can send them into places
that you wouldn't want to send the human.
564
00:28:32,143 --> 00:28:34,579
Because if the robot gets stuck
or squished or something,
565
00:28:34,579 --> 00:28:36,114
you build another robot.
566
00:28:36,114 --> 00:28:39,017
It's not that easy to do with a human,
as humans are bigger.
567
00:28:39,017 --> 00:28:39,250
Yeah.
568
00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:42,520
So yeah, you know, from that standpoint,
that is,
569
00:28:42,854 --> 00:28:46,491
one of the uses of this kind of a thing,
but it's been a lot of fun.
570
00:28:46,491 --> 00:28:48,760
The engineering behind
it took some time to put together
571
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,629
and get everything to work.
And there's two sides of these things.
572
00:28:51,629 --> 00:28:55,967
There's the hardware side, which are
all of the things that make it move.
573
00:28:55,967 --> 00:28:57,135
It's articulated.
574
00:28:57,135 --> 00:29:01,272
So there's three different joints
in each leg, which means 618
575
00:29:01,272 --> 00:29:04,642
servo motors,
plus two more on the nexus of 20 servos
576
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:09,147
and all the transistors and data lines
and all the stuff to control all that.
577
00:29:09,514 --> 00:29:12,517
And then on the software side of it,
you have to program it.
578
00:29:12,884 --> 00:29:15,854
When these type of circuits
are usually done in either Python or Rust,
579
00:29:15,854 --> 00:29:18,857
this one's done in Python
because it's running on a Raspberry Pi.
580
00:29:19,124 --> 00:29:21,760
And so you have that to set up.
581
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,163
So you're looking at a lot of different
things, getting the parts built.
582
00:29:25,163 --> 00:29:28,533
You have somebody that actually takes
the models that I drew up
583
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,970
and puts them in and gets the actual
physical stuff cut out.
584
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:33,838
It was done on a really high quality
585
00:29:33,838 --> 00:29:36,841
3D printer, and the laser printer
that's how they got the parts.
586
00:29:36,941 --> 00:29:38,409
And, you know, just kind of cool.
587
00:29:38,409 --> 00:29:41,212
But a lot went into it. But yes,
he is alive again. He is working.
588
00:29:41,212 --> 00:29:43,615
And it was definitely a fun
project, was to put a picture of him
589
00:29:43,615 --> 00:29:46,851
up in our social media
if we haven't done so already.
590
00:29:46,851 --> 00:29:49,020
All right. Well, listen,
we got a great interview.
591
00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:51,956
I talked about this
a little bit in the first segment.
592
00:29:51,956 --> 00:29:52,724
This is an author
593
00:29:52,724 --> 00:29:55,794
I am not going to give you
any kind of spoilers here
594
00:29:55,794 --> 00:29:58,029
because the interview
is worth listening to.
595
00:29:58,029 --> 00:30:01,032
So with no further ado, let's go.
596
00:30:01,499 --> 00:30:05,703
Joining me now, guests, Pedram on
did I say your name right? Yes.
597
00:30:06,271 --> 00:30:08,072
Yeah.
It only took nine tries. That's right.
598
00:30:08,072 --> 00:30:09,874
Hey, you know what? We're making progress.
599
00:30:09,874 --> 00:30:12,210
So tell us a little bit about yourself
and what you're doing.
600
00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:12,911
That.
601
00:30:12,911 --> 00:30:17,649
Well, I, background, I guess
I got my degree in music education.
602
00:30:17,649 --> 00:30:19,784
Then I went and I joined the Marine Corps.
603
00:30:19,784 --> 00:30:22,654
Played clarinet
for them for several years.
604
00:30:22,654 --> 00:30:25,657
And I went into cyberspace
for the Marine Corps.
605
00:30:25,957 --> 00:30:28,459
And then I got out
after 12 years on active duty.
606
00:30:28,459 --> 00:30:33,198
And now I am working
on, working on I'm an author.
607
00:30:33,198 --> 00:30:34,699
Like, I've, I've published a book.
608
00:30:34,699 --> 00:30:38,703
If you're watching this video,
you can see it behind me, but,
609
00:30:38,703 --> 00:30:41,940
yeah, I, I write epic fantasy,
and my first book is out.
610
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,978
I'm shooting for book two to be out later
this year, and at the end of August.
611
00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:48,680
All right.
612
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,850
Well, first of all, on behalf of user
Friendly, thank you for your service and
613
00:30:52,083 --> 00:30:55,053
I yeah, that's a wonderful thing
to be able to do.
614
00:30:55,053 --> 00:30:57,689
Before we get into the book, I'm gonna
I just need to ask the question,
615
00:30:57,689 --> 00:30:59,924
what does it mean
to go into military cyberspace?
616
00:30:59,924 --> 00:31:01,192
Because I've got several ideas there.
617
00:31:01,192 --> 00:31:02,927
Probably not right.
618
00:31:02,927 --> 00:31:05,930
Well,
619
00:31:05,964 --> 00:31:09,067
So the, let me try to make this short.
620
00:31:09,234 --> 00:31:12,403
The military uses computers.
621
00:31:12,604 --> 00:31:14,672
They're very useful for
for communications.
622
00:31:14,672 --> 00:31:16,241
They run weapons systems.
623
00:31:16,241 --> 00:31:21,446
And those systems are hackable.
624
00:31:21,846 --> 00:31:24,849
And so somebody needs to defend them.
625
00:31:24,849 --> 00:31:27,852
And so my, my second job field,
626
00:31:28,152 --> 00:31:31,522
my first one was in the band
and not secondary, but I switched
627
00:31:31,522 --> 00:31:36,294
my primary job field from music
to, being in cyberspace warfare.
628
00:31:38,429 --> 00:31:39,130
And cyberspace
629
00:31:39,130 --> 00:31:42,133
warfare goes both defense and offense.
630
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,403
Just the, the
the billets that I happens to fill
631
00:31:45,403 --> 00:31:49,007
where I got stationed
were only in defense, but.
632
00:31:49,374 --> 00:31:50,108
Yeah. Okay.
633
00:31:50,108 --> 00:31:52,844
And this thing is so important,
634
00:31:52,844 --> 00:31:55,847
and,
it's specifically for cyber defense and
635
00:31:56,848 --> 00:31:59,951
in the military, there's a difference
between cyber security and cyber defense.
636
00:32:00,485 --> 00:32:03,121
Where cyber security is, is basically
637
00:32:03,121 --> 00:32:06,925
best practices and making sure
everything's configured right.
638
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:12,330
And, making sure it's,
things are updated and, like I said,
639
00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:15,533
configured right so that it's hard
to hack into cyber defense
640
00:32:16,034 --> 00:32:19,537
is where you are monitoring systems
and hunting
641
00:32:19,537 --> 00:32:22,707
for signs of malicious action.
642
00:32:23,374 --> 00:32:26,377
And, out in the civilian realm,
643
00:32:27,211 --> 00:32:30,081
that's all just cyber security.
644
00:32:30,081 --> 00:32:32,083
Okay. All right. Now that's interesting.
645
00:32:32,083 --> 00:32:35,320
That's actually a good topic,
I think, for another time.
646
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,489
But, I'm glad I asked the question
because I wouldn't have known
647
00:32:38,489 --> 00:32:39,958
really kind of where that went. All right.
648
00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:42,093
So let's circle
back to what we're here for.
649
00:32:42,093 --> 00:32:43,027
And let's about your book.
650
00:32:43,027 --> 00:32:45,530
And,
where did you get the idea to write it?
651
00:32:45,530 --> 00:32:49,267
And, just let us know a little bit
about where this came from, okay.
652
00:32:49,267 --> 00:32:51,135
Yeah. So,
653
00:32:52,136 --> 00:32:54,806
this is
not the first book that I wanted to write.
654
00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:57,842
In fact, the first one I wanted to write
was when I was,
655
00:32:59,577 --> 00:33:00,144
I don't know.
656
00:33:00,144 --> 00:33:03,247
I remember there was one
that I started writing when I was ten,
657
00:33:03,815 --> 00:33:06,818
actually, there were two that
I started writing when I was 10 or 12.
658
00:33:07,452 --> 00:33:10,989
But in my adult life,
659
00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:15,793
when I really wanted to write a book,
the first one was was not this.
660
00:33:16,027 --> 00:33:19,030
And I started that 1 in 2010.
661
00:33:19,230 --> 00:33:22,033
And that one I'm calling The Grand Hill
Chronicles.
662
00:33:22,033 --> 00:33:24,535
And, you know, and
663
00:33:24,535 --> 00:33:27,271
in order to run things as,
664
00:33:27,271 --> 00:33:30,274
to, to try to make income as an author,
665
00:33:30,641 --> 00:33:35,246
my wife and I registered a company, and,
I have a,
666
00:33:36,247 --> 00:33:39,150
a brand name or what's the word?
667
00:33:39,150 --> 00:33:42,153
An imprint that is Grand Hill Media.
668
00:33:42,153 --> 00:33:45,423
And in fact,
I it's on the book here, like,
669
00:33:46,591 --> 00:33:47,992
that's
670
00:33:47,992 --> 00:33:51,496
Grand Hill Media is the the imprint under
which this book is published.
671
00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:54,966
But I care too much about the Grand Hill
672
00:33:54,966 --> 00:33:58,236
Chronicles,
and I needed to get something out.
673
00:33:58,236 --> 00:34:01,239
I needed to, to have something
that I could finish,
674
00:34:01,506 --> 00:34:04,509
in some kind of reasonable fashion.
675
00:34:05,109 --> 00:34:09,447
So I'm like, okay, some other idea,
what's different?
676
00:34:09,447 --> 00:34:12,050
What hasn't been done that I know of?
677
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:15,153
How about, a dark unicorn?
678
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:16,888
What does that mean?
679
00:34:16,888 --> 00:34:19,090
You know, and and
680
00:34:19,090 --> 00:34:23,728
and so I just the, the basis of the idea
was just take something
681
00:34:23,728 --> 00:34:27,565
that is familiar
and add my own twist to it.
682
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:29,667
And, yeah.
683
00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:32,270
So I started playing with the idea,
like Dark Unicorn.
684
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:35,473
Is he, like, outright evil
685
00:34:35,473 --> 00:34:40,511
or is he just sinister or,
or just very somber?
686
00:34:41,245 --> 00:34:45,683
So I had to figure those things out
and like, what other details might be fun
687
00:34:45,683 --> 00:34:49,487
to add here,
I, I played with the idea of there
688
00:34:49,487 --> 00:34:53,191
just being one male unicorn, and,
689
00:34:53,825 --> 00:34:57,595
then he, like, carries a banner
for a few thousand years or something,
690
00:34:57,595 --> 00:35:02,700
and then he, passes it on
to the next male and, you know, so
691
00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:06,771
these were some raw ideas
that I, I played with all this, developing
692
00:35:06,771 --> 00:35:09,841
that, so
693
00:35:10,908 --> 00:35:13,077
the way it, it
694
00:35:13,077 --> 00:35:15,546
is, the way it came out is,
695
00:35:15,546 --> 00:35:18,716
in this world, everybody knows unicorns.
696
00:35:18,850 --> 00:35:21,152
There's no secret that they exist.
697
00:35:21,152 --> 00:35:22,787
Everybody's seen one.
698
00:35:22,787 --> 00:35:24,322
Everybody knows what they're like.
699
00:35:24,322 --> 00:35:28,059
They're they're like,
they have a bright disposition,
700
00:35:28,359 --> 00:35:31,629
kind of flighty,
and they're intelligent enough.
701
00:35:31,629 --> 00:35:33,097
They they have the ability to speak.
702
00:35:33,097 --> 00:35:35,333
They're not going to carry
on a conversation with you and me
703
00:35:35,333 --> 00:35:39,504
because there's they're too flighty and,
maybe they don't care about us.
704
00:35:39,504 --> 00:35:42,940
I don't know,
but they have the ability to heal
705
00:35:43,307 --> 00:35:46,611
once in a blue moon,
somebody will be healed by a unicorn.
706
00:35:47,178 --> 00:35:50,781
Also, unicorn isn't the proper word.
707
00:35:51,082 --> 00:35:52,283
It's like calling us two lakes.
708
00:35:52,283 --> 00:35:55,853
It's an accurate description,
but it doesn't do us justice.
709
00:35:55,853 --> 00:35:56,454
Right. And it.
710
00:35:56,454 --> 00:35:57,955
And unicorn doesn't do them justice.
711
00:35:57,955 --> 00:36:00,958
So in this book,
the proper word is the Maud.
712
00:36:01,325 --> 00:36:05,263
And if you say unicorn,
it's it's just not very polite.
713
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:07,565
Yeah.
714
00:36:07,565 --> 00:36:11,769
So I actually
have, I'll read the little excerpt
715
00:36:11,769 --> 00:36:15,139
from the on the back of the,
the dust jacket
716
00:36:16,641 --> 00:36:17,942
says, no, this sounds great.
717
00:36:17,942 --> 00:36:19,710
And, just a quick insert here for anybody
718
00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:22,246
listening on the radio
where we obviously don't have video.
719
00:36:22,246 --> 00:36:24,782
We're going to go ahead and post pictures
of what you've been referring to
720
00:36:24,782 --> 00:36:26,317
on our social media in this there.
721
00:36:26,317 --> 00:36:28,186
So so you didn't miss out.
722
00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:31,189
All right. Let's go for it.
723
00:36:31,222 --> 00:36:34,258
That evil
now comes near to overflowing its bounds.
724
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:37,562
Then the more it said overflow its bounds.
725
00:36:37,628 --> 00:36:39,564
A larva repeated.
726
00:36:39,564 --> 00:36:42,366
Perhaps you saw the sky split open
last night.
727
00:36:42,366 --> 00:36:44,869
Those are cracks in the prison.
728
00:36:44,869 --> 00:36:47,071
A lover's face went pale.
729
00:36:47,071 --> 00:36:50,007
If those were only cracks,
what happens when it breaks?
730
00:36:51,075 --> 00:36:51,676
When the prison
731
00:36:51,676 --> 00:36:54,679
bursts, all the world will feel it.
732
00:36:54,912 --> 00:36:57,148
So that's kind of,
733
00:36:57,148 --> 00:36:59,450
let you know that
there's there's going to be a big problem
734
00:36:59,450 --> 00:37:02,820
that we have to solve,
because it's epic fantasy.
735
00:37:03,654 --> 00:37:06,657
So in a nutshell,
736
00:37:06,757 --> 00:37:08,659
everybody knows what unicorns are like.
737
00:37:08,659 --> 00:37:11,662
Also, everybody knows that
they're always pure white
738
00:37:11,963 --> 00:37:17,335
and they're all female, except they're all
the legends of the nightshade unicorn.
739
00:37:17,335 --> 00:37:20,771
And maybe there's this drawing, this dark
unicorn on the cover of the book.
740
00:37:21,339 --> 00:37:23,975
But all the legends
741
00:37:23,975 --> 00:37:26,978
about the dark unicorn,
the nightshade unicorn
742
00:37:27,278 --> 00:37:31,082
say he
and some of the stories are preposterous.
743
00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:35,052
Like, is, 30 hands high at the shoulder
744
00:37:35,052 --> 00:37:38,489
and, you know, obviously, ridiculous.
745
00:37:38,889 --> 00:37:42,627
And but everybody also knows,
since unicorns are always white
746
00:37:42,627 --> 00:37:44,762
and all female, obviously false.
747
00:37:44,762 --> 00:37:45,363
Right.
748
00:37:45,363 --> 00:37:48,599
Except we meet him in the prolog,
so we know that he does exist
749
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:50,034
right off the bat.
750
00:37:50,034 --> 00:37:52,003
Yeah.
751
00:37:52,003 --> 00:37:54,238
And so the main character, a Lamphere,
752
00:37:55,273 --> 00:37:59,010
and she's, almost 17.
753
00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:01,412
In a fantasy world, time is different.
754
00:38:01,412 --> 00:38:04,282
Like if you've ever read,
the Wheel of Time series
755
00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:07,418
by Robert
Jordan and finished by Brandon Sanderson.
756
00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:12,223
In that world, a year is 500 days.
757
00:38:13,291 --> 00:38:15,326
Okay, so anyway, so
758
00:38:15,326 --> 00:38:18,829
she's almost 17,
but she comes of age like she goes her her
759
00:38:18,896 --> 00:38:22,400
she has her village coming of age ceremony
that she participates in.
760
00:38:22,933 --> 00:38:26,871
So she, she is an adult in her society,
761
00:38:27,638 --> 00:38:30,041
but, so she comes of age.
762
00:38:30,041 --> 00:38:32,910
And then there's this Nimrod
763
00:38:32,910 --> 00:38:35,913
that shows up on the doorstep
in the middle of the night,
764
00:38:36,047 --> 00:38:39,083
and it's a male Nimrod, like,
what's with that?
765
00:38:39,817 --> 00:38:41,819
And he's like,
766
00:38:41,819 --> 00:38:43,421
yeah, there's a problem.
767
00:38:43,421 --> 00:38:47,725
The world has a problem, and we need help
fixing it, and you're the help.
768
00:38:47,958 --> 00:38:49,593
So let's go.
769
00:38:49,593 --> 00:38:53,030
And also, we're in a hurry,
so come on, like, let's leave now.
770
00:38:54,632 --> 00:38:57,601
So there's there's a journey and yeah.
771
00:38:58,069 --> 00:39:01,205
So yeah, the
the excerpt here on the back of the dust
772
00:39:01,205 --> 00:39:04,208
jacket is from that conversation.
773
00:39:05,609 --> 00:39:05,876
Okay.
774
00:39:05,876 --> 00:39:08,846
Well I'm already enthused
and I'm a huge fan of fantasy anyway.
775
00:39:08,846 --> 00:39:11,315
So this is right up my, my alley.
776
00:39:11,315 --> 00:39:13,751
How long did it take you
to write the book?
777
00:39:13,751 --> 00:39:17,021
I had the idea about two years ago.
778
00:39:17,555 --> 00:39:20,391
And then,
779
00:39:20,391 --> 00:39:22,026
when I, like, actually had
780
00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:25,096
time to sit down
and give time to writing it.
781
00:39:25,296 --> 00:39:28,299
It was about two months.
782
00:39:28,966 --> 00:39:31,802
And then there was editing and
783
00:39:31,802 --> 00:39:35,506
and getting reader feedback and,
you know, so
784
00:39:36,841 --> 00:39:39,844
the, the whole cycle,
785
00:39:40,344 --> 00:39:44,181
starting from what I was able
to dedicate time to reading it to,
786
00:39:44,281 --> 00:39:48,452
to writing it,
until publishing was about six months,
787
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,454
which is okay. Now.
788
00:39:50,454 --> 00:39:52,656
I would consider that to be pretty fast.
789
00:39:52,656 --> 00:39:55,226
I mean, you must have been really
working on it to get it done that quickly.
790
00:39:55,226 --> 00:39:59,230
I was I had sleepless nights to be sure,
and I can only imagine.
791
00:40:00,965 --> 00:40:01,532
Yeah.
792
00:40:01,532 --> 00:40:03,801
So listener question that comes in a lot.
793
00:40:03,801 --> 00:40:07,171
On the writing and publishing
process is dealing with things
794
00:40:07,171 --> 00:40:10,141
like illustrations and you kind of touched
on editing and all of that.
795
00:40:10,441 --> 00:40:11,342
What did you have to deal with?
796
00:40:11,342 --> 00:40:13,310
Did you actually bring in outside
people to do it?
797
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:16,280
Did you do it yourself? I
how does that work?
798
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,251
I hired, I hired an artist for the
for the cover art.
799
00:40:20,251 --> 00:40:21,685
I think she did a great job.
800
00:40:21,685 --> 00:40:24,288
And that came from vivid covers.com.
801
00:40:24,288 --> 00:40:25,656
I'll give her credit.
802
00:40:25,656 --> 00:40:28,726
Because she did a great job,
and she deserves that credit
803
00:40:28,726 --> 00:40:32,930
and more business, you know, and,
you know, you want your book covers done,
804
00:40:33,931 --> 00:40:36,066
but,
805
00:40:36,066 --> 00:40:36,634
Yeah.
806
00:40:36,634 --> 00:40:40,404
Now I during the,
I actually ran a Kickstarter
807
00:40:40,404 --> 00:40:43,941
campaign in January, and
I didn't have the cover art for it yet.
808
00:40:44,942 --> 00:40:49,013
And so the images that I use for that
were I generated,
809
00:40:49,413 --> 00:40:53,517
I know there's a lot of hissing
and booing about I image generation.
810
00:40:54,185 --> 00:40:58,823
But it was it,
it helped me in, in that it
811
00:40:58,856 --> 00:41:02,526
I was able to have illustrative images
812
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,096
or my Kickstarter campaign. Right.
813
00:41:06,096 --> 00:41:09,066
And then once, once I got the cover art
814
00:41:09,066 --> 00:41:13,270
that I hired an artist for and,
and was able to pay for,
815
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:17,842
I am absolutely glad and proud to use,
human generated art.
816
00:41:18,843 --> 00:41:21,846
It's just it feels more natural,
817
00:41:22,046 --> 00:41:27,117
and I guess I art will will get there
and look just as good soon enough. But,
818
00:41:29,353 --> 00:41:29,854
Yeah, yeah.
819
00:41:29,854 --> 00:41:32,456
You know, it's interesting
you touch upon that topic and we've talked
820
00:41:32,456 --> 00:41:35,659
about this in the past on the show,
and it seems like people's concern is more
821
00:41:36,093 --> 00:41:39,697
when one uses AI generated art and
then tells you it's human generated art.
822
00:41:39,697 --> 00:41:42,700
That's I think a lot of the controversy.
823
00:41:43,167 --> 00:41:46,170
And like you're saying, I'm seeing
a lot of stuff and it's getting better
824
00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:49,373
and it's a lot more realistic
that there still isn't the human touch.
825
00:41:49,373 --> 00:41:50,241
If you will,
826
00:41:50,241 --> 00:41:53,978
that you see when something's done
and actually somebody is putting in time
827
00:41:53,978 --> 00:41:54,979
and care and all of that.
828
00:41:54,979 --> 00:41:57,915
So I do agree
completely with what you're saying. There.
829
00:41:57,915 --> 00:41:59,850
Yeah. Right. But yeah.
830
00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:00,017
All right.
831
00:42:00,017 --> 00:42:01,886
Now your book is published.
832
00:42:01,886 --> 00:42:03,387
It's going to be published.
833
00:42:03,387 --> 00:42:05,155
It is published. And it's published.
834
00:42:05,155 --> 00:42:06,557
How would you find it?
835
00:42:06,557 --> 00:42:08,459
Is it where do you order it?
836
00:42:08,459 --> 00:42:10,160
You can find it on Amazon.
837
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,230
You can find it
on a lot of different places.
838
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:17,268
If your go to is Amazon
and just search for nightshade unicorn.
839
00:42:17,635 --> 00:42:20,838
If your go to is anywhere else,
go to Pedro Montcalm
840
00:42:20,838 --> 00:42:23,007
and you can find links there.
841
00:42:23,007 --> 00:42:28,245
If you really want to help me out
then go to Grand Hill Dot media.
842
00:42:28,512 --> 00:42:30,414
That's, that's my direct store. But
843
00:42:31,415 --> 00:42:34,418
Pedro Montcalm has links to
844
00:42:34,852 --> 00:42:37,955
to Amazon, to Apple to Kobo to Google.
845
00:42:40,157 --> 00:42:41,125
So no that's great. Okay.
846
00:42:41,125 --> 00:42:44,128
Well we'll get that also out in our
social media so everybody can find it.
847
00:42:44,595 --> 00:42:44,828
All right.
848
00:42:44,828 --> 00:42:47,464
Well is there anything else
you want to tell us?
849
00:42:47,464 --> 00:42:48,632
Yeah.
850
00:42:48,632 --> 00:42:51,702
I was a lot of fun to write, and,
it was a lot of work,
851
00:42:51,702 --> 00:42:54,705
but it was a lot of fun and
852
00:42:55,439 --> 00:42:58,442
I'm looking forward
to pushing our book to my.
853
00:42:58,642 --> 00:43:01,645
My daughter was the first reader
for this one.
854
00:43:01,879 --> 00:43:04,648
And although it's,
855
00:43:04,648 --> 00:43:07,351
you know, I, I it's yeah,
856
00:43:07,351 --> 00:43:10,321
it's, it's a young adult,
kind of geared toward that.
857
00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:11,822
It is clean.
858
00:43:11,822 --> 00:43:12,256
It's it's
859
00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:15,826
not something you should be worried about
putting in front of younger children.
860
00:43:16,093 --> 00:43:19,096
My 12 year old daughter
was the first person to read it,
861
00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:22,733
and she came back and ordered me
to hurry up and write the second book.
862
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:25,903
Okay, that's a
that's the best response you can get.
863
00:43:25,903 --> 00:43:26,337
Yeah.
864
00:43:26,337 --> 00:43:31,775
You know, yeah, I, I love that and I wish
I could have finished it already.
865
00:43:32,042 --> 00:43:36,680
But it's just so much work and,
and I, I did publish it
866
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,017
myself, like under,
under my own brand, Grant Hill Media.
867
00:43:40,551 --> 00:43:40,818
Right.
868
00:43:41,785 --> 00:43:42,586
And so, like,
869
00:43:42,586 --> 00:43:45,589
I hired out the, the cover art.
870
00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:48,359
I did not hire an editor.
871
00:43:48,359 --> 00:43:51,929
I was going to,
but the editor that I was going to hire
872
00:43:51,962 --> 00:43:55,866
got booked for the, for the time frame,
and I already had a publication date
873
00:43:55,866 --> 00:43:59,003
go, and,
874
00:43:59,003 --> 00:44:02,106
but I, I used a tool called Pro
Writing Aid.
875
00:44:02,106 --> 00:44:04,141
That's pretty good
about catching a lot of things.
876
00:44:04,141 --> 00:44:07,111
It's also pretty good
about missing a lot of things.
877
00:44:07,444 --> 00:44:10,180
And I'm not to toot my own horn,
878
00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:15,319
but I'm pretty good myself with spelling,
grammar, punctuation.
879
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,987
I'm not perfect.
880
00:44:16,987 --> 00:44:19,256
That's why I use pro writing aid.
881
00:44:19,256 --> 00:44:21,291
And I.
882
00:44:21,291 --> 00:44:22,993
I'm not advertising for them.
883
00:44:22,993 --> 00:44:25,462
It was a it was a helpful tool.
884
00:44:25,462 --> 00:44:28,432
I did not accept all the
885
00:44:29,166 --> 00:44:31,301
because it it's an AI based tool
886
00:44:31,301 --> 00:44:35,639
and it it suggests some rewording
if the, if it thinks that,
887
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:39,343
maybe your sentence is too long
or it catches
888
00:44:39,643 --> 00:44:41,879
or sentences in a row
that you started with the same word.
889
00:44:43,113 --> 00:44:46,116
Those are good catches, but,
890
00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:48,318
I also feel like it's,
891
00:44:48,318 --> 00:44:51,455
it could be a voice eraser.
892
00:44:51,622 --> 00:44:54,825
I know that author Martin Shoemaker
893
00:44:54,825 --> 00:44:57,828
has has called it that,
and I, I concur with that.
894
00:44:57,961 --> 00:45:00,931
Like, if you just go through and accept
all the recordings,
895
00:45:01,265 --> 00:45:04,301
you're going to sound kind of manila
vanilla and.
896
00:45:04,301 --> 00:45:04,635
Oh yeah.
897
00:45:04,635 --> 00:45:05,369
And it also wouldn't
898
00:45:05,369 --> 00:45:09,173
necessarily be your book, like you say,
it's, you know, changing changing a lot.
899
00:45:09,506 --> 00:45:09,707
All right.
900
00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:11,642
So you mentioned that you're
working on a second book.
901
00:45:11,642 --> 00:45:12,609
So tell us a little bit
902
00:45:12,609 --> 00:45:15,612
about where this is going to go
and where you would like to see it end up.
903
00:45:15,746 --> 00:45:16,880
Well it's a sequel.
904
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,185
So this book
the series title is Nightshade Unicorn.
905
00:45:21,585 --> 00:45:24,588
The the title for book one is forerunner.
906
00:45:25,055 --> 00:45:27,758
But obviously for search terms
you use Nightshade unicorn,
907
00:45:27,758 --> 00:45:30,294
because if you search for for one,
are you going to find a Toyota SUV?
908
00:45:31,295 --> 00:45:34,665
But yeah, book two is going to be called
Guardian.
909
00:45:35,365 --> 00:45:38,736
And it's
910
00:45:38,736 --> 00:45:41,739
going to be at least a three book series.
911
00:45:41,905 --> 00:45:46,777
I, I have been very frustrated
with, with life getting in the way.
912
00:45:46,777 --> 00:45:50,280
I've had so many things getting in my way
and and not letting me
913
00:45:50,881 --> 00:45:52,816
crank out book two yet.
914
00:45:52,816 --> 00:45:55,519
I'm it's I'm I'm almost there.
915
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:59,490
I have started it, you know,
916
00:45:59,490 --> 00:46:02,493
but, what was I going to say?
917
00:46:02,526 --> 00:46:03,360
It's.
918
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:03,761
Oh, yeah.
919
00:46:03,761 --> 00:46:06,764
So there's, I know where it's going to go.
920
00:46:07,164 --> 00:46:12,002
And I know, like,
there's this big evil that they need to,
921
00:46:12,836 --> 00:46:15,839
stop when it breaks out of its prison.
922
00:46:16,406 --> 00:46:20,811
There is a certain thing
that's going to happen.
923
00:46:22,112 --> 00:46:22,646
I'm going to be.
924
00:46:22,646 --> 00:46:24,948
I'm going to be vague.
You'll have to wait and find out.
925
00:46:24,948 --> 00:46:26,683
Absolutely no spoilers here. Right.
926
00:46:26,683 --> 00:46:29,686
Here's there is a certain thing
that's going to happen.
927
00:46:29,853 --> 00:46:32,856
And it won't be the end.
928
00:46:33,357 --> 00:46:35,793
There will have to be another book
after that.
929
00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:40,264
So bare minimum,
even if I like really compress events.
930
00:46:40,931 --> 00:46:43,100
Book two cannot be the end of the series.
931
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:46,136
It it it it has to have at least one more.
932
00:46:46,937 --> 00:46:50,174
And honestly, I and could
933
00:46:50,407 --> 00:46:53,410
easily see it being five books or beyond.
934
00:46:53,644 --> 00:46:58,982
I'm kind of new at this, you know,
this is my first book, and so book one
935
00:46:58,982 --> 00:47:02,352
has basically one POV character
throughout the whole book.
936
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,423
I say basically because
it's not completely one purely character.
937
00:47:06,590 --> 00:47:11,461
The prolog and the epilog
are from one other characters POV.
938
00:47:11,762 --> 00:47:13,630
So there are two
POV characters in this book.
939
00:47:14,965 --> 00:47:17,401
The next book is going to have more,
940
00:47:17,401 --> 00:47:19,503
and if you've read epic fantasy, if you've
941
00:47:19,503 --> 00:47:22,472
read Robert Jordan.
942
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:24,675
Then you know that things can get.
943
00:47:24,675 --> 00:47:28,846
Things can start
to, fill the pages pretty well.
944
00:47:29,313 --> 00:47:31,281
When you look at this character's
perspective
945
00:47:31,281 --> 00:47:34,284
and that characters perspective,
and then they split apart
946
00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:38,021
and go different ways,
and then they come back together. And
947
00:47:38,021 --> 00:47:41,024
along the way you follow this character
and then you follow that character.
948
00:47:41,258 --> 00:47:45,462
So yeah, book two
will definitely be longer than this one.
949
00:47:45,462 --> 00:47:47,764
This one is 94,000 words.
950
00:47:47,764 --> 00:47:51,134
For reference,
Harry Potter book one was 80,000 words.
951
00:47:51,535 --> 00:47:52,202
Okay.
952
00:47:52,202 --> 00:47:56,206
So it's a little bit longer than Harry
Potter and the Philosopher's Stone.
953
00:47:57,007 --> 00:48:00,611
But, yeah, it could.
954
00:48:00,611 --> 00:48:03,347
It could easily stretch nine, ten books.
955
00:48:03,347 --> 00:48:06,717
I, I don't know yet
because I'm new at this and,
956
00:48:07,684 --> 00:48:08,785
I know you're going to have
957
00:48:08,785 --> 00:48:11,922
to keep us up to date
as far as how this goes and what happens.
958
00:48:11,922 --> 00:48:14,157
And, I can't wait to see it.
959
00:48:14,157 --> 00:48:14,925
And again,
960
00:48:14,925 --> 00:48:16,560
we're going
to get all of your ordered links
961
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,328
and that kind of thing
out on our social media,
962
00:48:18,328 --> 00:48:19,763
which is a user friendly show.
963
00:48:19,763 --> 00:48:21,365
So if you're driving right
now, don't crash.
964
00:48:21,365 --> 00:48:24,268
Just go to the website later
and you can get it from there.
965
00:48:24,268 --> 00:48:27,404
And I think I'm going to share
your direct link first.
966
00:48:27,404 --> 00:48:29,273
And the reason for that, it's
nothing against Amazon,
967
00:48:29,273 --> 00:48:33,310
but for any small business,
Amazon takes a little chunk of the order.
968
00:48:33,343 --> 00:48:35,913
That's how they make their money.
So which is fine.
969
00:48:35,913 --> 00:48:38,582
But if you can go directly
it helps everybody out.
970
00:48:38,582 --> 00:48:39,283
So, we'll,
971
00:48:39,283 --> 00:48:42,286
we'll go ahead and share that out first
and have the Amazon link as well.
972
00:48:42,753 --> 00:48:43,253
Yeah.
973
00:48:43,253 --> 00:48:47,057
And I guess something else
that users, users,
974
00:48:47,724 --> 00:48:52,129
people should know, listeners should know,
is I have a newsletter,
975
00:48:52,629 --> 00:48:55,332
so maybe you don't want to buy it
right away, but you want to.
976
00:48:56,366 --> 00:48:57,567
You want me to let you know
977
00:48:57,567 --> 00:49:00,604
when book two comes out
or when whenever I run promotions.
978
00:49:01,305 --> 00:49:04,141
So you can go to go to Pedro Mi.com.
979
00:49:04,141 --> 00:49:05,876
There's a link for the newsletter.
980
00:49:05,876 --> 00:49:06,944
You can sign up for the newsletter.
981
00:49:06,944 --> 00:49:08,412
It's absolutely free.
982
00:49:08,412 --> 00:49:11,148
And then I'll let you know when when I'm
983
00:49:11,148 --> 00:49:14,151
running a promotion or when,
984
00:49:14,785 --> 00:49:16,219
when book two comes out, you know?
985
00:49:16,219 --> 00:49:17,654
Okay, that sounds great. All right.
986
00:49:17,654 --> 00:49:19,990
And again, we got all this posted
so you can check it out.
987
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:22,492
And if you have any questions
on today's interview,
988
00:49:22,492 --> 00:49:24,661
go ahead and send them in
also at the website. User friendly.
989
00:49:24,661 --> 00:49:26,930
Not sure.
We'd love to hear from you. And listen.
990
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:29,933
Thank you so much for joining us today
and the best of luck.
991
00:49:30,267 --> 00:49:31,401
Thank you.
992
00:49:31,401 --> 00:49:35,605
So speaking of books, Gretchen, where
are you with this cyber hack origin story?
993
00:49:36,273 --> 00:49:40,410
Well, we're in the process of getting
the website ready and the book is ready.
994
00:49:40,677 --> 00:49:43,680
So we're looking at a couple of days.
995
00:49:44,915 --> 00:49:45,782
Yeah, it's almost there.
996
00:49:45,782 --> 00:49:48,952
It's amazing how much stuff goes into
writing a book more than writing a book.
997
00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:51,888
Well, anyway,
thank you for being with us this week.
998
00:49:51,888 --> 00:49:55,158
Until next week, this is user friendly
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999
00:49:56,093 --> 00:49:57,694
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