People keep saying that trail running is becoming like skateboarding.
Speaker AIt's more raw now.
Speaker AIt's more about the cruise, more about identity than structure.
Speaker AAnd if you look at it, it kind of checks out.
Speaker AThe footage looks familiar, the energy feels familiar.
Speaker AThere's something about it that feels real, no doubt.
Speaker ABut I think there's something off in the comparison, because what made skateboarding culture real was never how it looked.
Speaker AIt's like the idea from SLC Punk, if you ever saw it.
Speaker AThe most punk person in the room isn't the one who looks the part.
Speaker AIt's the one who doesn't need to.
Speaker ASometimes the truest punk rockers wore a suit and tie.
Speaker AYou remember that dude in the movie, more punk rock than anybody else had a day job, wore the suit and tie because rebellion isn't aesthetic.
Speaker AIt's rejecting something you don't like.
Speaker AThe aesthetic of rebellion is what it is because they were dressing in a way that pushed against a status quo that was making itself other than the status quo.
Speaker AA status quo.
Speaker AOr maybe it was a statement of the abomination of a status quo they wanted to preserve.
Speaker AAnd that's where this starts to feel different.
Speaker ABecause trail running can copy the look, the grain, the crews, the attitude.
Speaker ABut trail running still has to ask permission.
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Speaker AAll right, so this idea that running is becoming like skateboarding, I keep coming back to it, and I get why that comparison shows up.
Speaker ABecause if you've ever been a part of something like that, something that has had its own rhythm, its own identity, its own sense of belonging, you don't forget it.
Speaker ALike being somewhere you're not supposed to be.
Speaker ASun going down, everything's still there.
Speaker ANo one really saying it out loud, but nobody wants to leave that feeling that something is happening and you're inside of it.
Speaker AIt's an incredible feeling.
Speaker AFor me, that was ages 13 to, like, 17, 16 years old.
Speaker AYou spend a long time trying to find that feeling again, whether you realize it or not.
Speaker AAnd when something in running starts to look even remotely like it.
Speaker ACrews forming Shared language, certain kind of energy.
Speaker AIt's hard not to reach for the comparison, to say, this is it, this feels like that.
Speaker ABut I think there's something off in the connection.
Speaker ABut before you even get into whether that comparison is right or wrong, it's worth looking at why it simply feels right and celebrate the reasons that it feels right.
Speaker ABecause visually, trail running has moved in a very specific direction lately.
Speaker AAt least the bulk of it.
Speaker AGrainy footage, handheld cameras, blurred photo edits, moments that feel captured instead of produced.
Speaker AIt doesn't feel polished, it feels immediate, like someone pulling out a camera, maybe mid run.
Speaker ANot to capture a result, not a finish line, but just because the moment feels worth remembering.
Speaker AAnd that language is familiar because skateboarding already built it.
Speaker AAnd it goes beyond visuals, too.
Speaker ACrews instead of clubs, you know, identity built around who you run with.
Speaker ANot even just where you run, but who you run with.
Speaker AMoments that matter more than results.
Speaker AThat's huge.
Speaker ARight now, even the imagery has shifted away from the finish lines towards something in the middle.
Speaker AEffort, atmosphere, being there.
Speaker ABecause all of that signals the same thing.
Speaker AThis is real.
Speaker AAnd that's why this comparison is so compelling.
Speaker ABecause when something looks real, it's easy to assume that it is.
Speaker AAnd to be fair, that doesn't happen by accident.
Speaker ASomething real is happening here.
Speaker AThis isn't just brands manufacturing a look out of nowhere.
Speaker AYou see it in the way crews are forming organically, groups that aren't built around races like, you know, Sam Losey and his crew.
Speaker AActive cultures meeting at the track every week for an early morning speed work session.
Speaker ABut it's around, showing up together week after week, same people, same time.
Speaker AYou start to recognize faces that were once unfamiliar.
Speaker AYou become friends with them.
Speaker AYou know who's going to be there before you even show up.
Speaker ANot because they have to, but because they want to.
Speaker AThey often have family and lives, and it's really hard, but worth prioritizing it.
Speaker AAnd you see it in the way people linger around it.
Speaker AThe run isn't the whole thing anymore.
Speaker APeople stay, they talk, run clubs built around what you do before it or what you do after it.
Speaker AThey hang out extends well beyond the miles and kilometers.
Speaker AAnd you see it then most vividly in how it's documented.
Speaker AAs I said, not the finish line, not the result, but the middle, the effort, the feeling of being there.
Speaker AAnd if you're inside of that, it probably doesn't feel manufactured at all.
Speaker AIt feels like something you're building.
Speaker ABut even if all of that is true, trail running still depends on permission to exist.
Speaker ASkateboarding never did.
Speaker AAnd once you see it that way, a lot of things start to look different.
Speaker AIn skateboarding, the environment is something you push against.
Speaker AStreets, rails, stairs, things that weren't built for you.
Speaker AAnd frankly, you're not welcome at.
Speaker AIn trail running, the environment.
Speaker AIn trail running, the environment is something you move through, something you rely on staying opened, maintained, accessible.
Speaker AIn skateboarding, getting kicked out is part of the experience.
Speaker ABut in running, losing access affects everyone.
Speaker AIn skateboarding, it's a.
Speaker AIt's a crown to get kicked out.
Speaker AIt's footage and running, you lose access for everyone.
Speaker AYou shut down a trail, that's not just your moment, that's everyone's morning.
Speaker AAnd the relationship to authority is very different.
Speaker AIn skateboarding, authority is often the obstacle.
Speaker AIn running, authority is part of the system.
Speaker ALand managers, permits, organizations, they're not something you push against.
Speaker AThey're part of how this exists at all.
Speaker AIt doesn't really seem like a culture built on pushing against authority.
Speaker AIt seems like one that works with it.
Speaker AAnd if that's true, then it also explains something else.
Speaker ABecause once something lives inside a system, it can be shaped by it.
Speaker ARefined, distributed, sold back in a form people recognize.
Speaker AAnd that's what's happening here.
Speaker AThe moment this look becomes identifiable, it becomes something you can buy into, commodify not just the gear, but the feeling of it, too.
Speaker AA singlet that looks worn in a hat that feels like it's been through something.
Speaker AIt's designed to feel undesigned.
Speaker AIt's designed to feel used before you use it.
Speaker AAnd that's the shift.
Speaker AWhat used to be a byproduct worn in gear holes is now something you can access directly.
Speaker AYou don't have to live it.
Speaker AYou can just step into it.
Speaker AAnd that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Speaker AIt just changes what it is.
Speaker AAnd at a certain point, it starts to feel like something else, like we're not actually doing the thing.
Speaker AWe're presenting ourselves as if we're doing the thing, but we're not doing the thing.
Speaker AWe're wearing the stuff.
Speaker AWe're signaling, you know, properly.
Speaker AOur Instagram feeds look correct without ever having having to deal with what made it that way in the first place.
Speaker ASo the question becomes, what are we actually looking at here?
Speaker ABecause if this sport operates differently, it depends on access, on shared systems, on a relationship with the land, then it's not missing something, it's just something else.
Speaker AAnd maybe that's enough.
Speaker AAnd maybe I'm not the perfect person to say any of this.
Speaker AI came up in a completely different world.
Speaker AWest Texas, sparsely populated punk rock shows.
Speaker ASome of them were the ones that I was playing, some that we were attending.
Speaker APsycho ska bands traveling through, playing in little tiny warehouses, chasing moments that felt like it mattered.
Speaker ASkateboarding.
Speaker ASo maybe part of this is just me recognizing those things don't Translate cleanly.
Speaker AThis 90s skateboard vibe just doesn't translate cleanly to trail running, like many are trying to make it.
Speaker ABut I do know this.
Speaker AYou can copy how it looks, you just can't copy what it means.
Speaker ADo you agree?
Speaker AI'd love to hear from you in the notes and the comments.
Speaker AThis is meant to be a reflection on 90s skate culture being infused into trail running and those who are trying to do it.
Speaker AHoping to foster conversation and if nothing else, just an interesting conversation.
Speaker AInteresting look at the industry.
Speaker ASee ya.