Welcome to
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User Friendly 2.0 with host Bill Sikkens,
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technology architect.
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And this is User Friendly 2.0.
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This is your host Bill Sikkens.
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With me Bill and Gretchen.
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Welcome to this week's show.
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Hello there.
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So anything new and exciting
you guys have done in the last week?
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Because I boy, do I have a story.
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Yeah. Does it involve a cat?
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It involves a cat.
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So anybody that knows me
probably knows that I've been involved
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in rescuing animals, cats, dogs,
you know, and so on.
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For a long time.
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And we've had a stray
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that's turned up around here, and we,
we're able to get them inside.
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We've had some freezing nights,
but he has been a challenge.
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And while we were in the process
of trying to rehome them,
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we had them in a room, and all of a sudden
they disappeared.
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No way out of the room.
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And then we noticed the register on
the heater vent was open
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and he crawled into the ductwork. So,
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if you are
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rescuing a cat,
they can get into just about anywhere.
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We still haven't found them,
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although we, had a professional come out
to make sure he wasn't stuck somewhere,
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but, he'll turn up,
but yeah, so that's been, a smoke.
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I don't know
if there's too much technology there.
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Perhaps if I use some,
I wouldn't have had this problem, but I
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yeah, I don't know,
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but the cat's a cat, cats a cat
and you know,
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and just from a personal thing,
I think they all deserve a chance.
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And if you can even just support
your animal shelter or
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anything like that,
every little bit helps. So.
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All right, after that little plug
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for the animal shelters,
what do we have in the news this week?
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Okay.
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Ocean boy power generator is being tested
successfully.
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Yeah. So this is comes from Instagram.
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This is, something called a
single core power C4 device,
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rated at 300kW under normal design
specifications.
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And what this thing basically does
exist on the water, ocean,
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although it will work anywhere
where there's waves and it will use
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that and convert that into energy.
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So interesting device.
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And the actual technology behind this
I think is out there.
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I've heard of stuff like this,
but the big thing that they're starting
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to get on this
and a lot of other renewable things,
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is that they're becoming more dependable
and can produce a lot more power.
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It's the same idea that the solar panel
you put on your house in 1980,
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was something like 1/100 or even less
of what a solar panel produced today.
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And like with technology,
these things grow.
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And this is just another way
to look at it.
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And you could use these in pairs.
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They don't pollute and they are in pairs.
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You can use them in tandem
with like a lot of them.
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And they produce energy
just from the wave power.
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So you gotta look at them.
They're these giant lines.
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They put them somewhere that they're
not going to block up your view.
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And there's a lot of places in the ocean
that you don't see from the shore
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that have waves. So I've been told,
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yeah, thanks.
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TikTok is tracking you
even if you don't use their app.
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Here's how to stop it.
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So this is the BBC reporting on this.
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And it's interesting
because I am not a TikTok user
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and I have no real opinion on it.
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I just have never used it.
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And, you know,
don't really have a desire to, but
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I looked through this and it's interesting
because it's harvesting data on people
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that don't have TikTok accounts,
and that's where this gets a little weird.
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So, yeah,
you know, as a matter of protocol,
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if you use an app from any social media,
not just social media,
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but if you use an app
from a lot of places,
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it will harvest data on you,
because data and analytics
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and all that kind of stuff
is worth a lot of money.
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In a lot of cases,
they make more money off of that.
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So you're the product, which is why the
what you're using is usually free.
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It's not really free,
but you just pay for it another way.
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So okay, if I, you know, log on
to Facebook or something and the terms
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and conditions talk about this and okay,
you know, I know about it.
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But in this particular case
they're getting data from other places
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using something called pixel tracking,
which I'll explain in just a second.
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account
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doesn't seem to really matter.
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So pixel tracking is, an idea
that's nothing new.
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It's been around for a long time
where you go to a website
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and it'll be one pixel.
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Usually you don't see it.
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That has the ability to track.
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There's going to be through third party
cookies or other technologies,
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and it's a big part of the reason
why sometimes you'll go search
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for something in the next ten websites.
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You go to have an ad for it.
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This is part of what does that
well, TikTok's putting this out there
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and it's getting information on people
that are going to completely
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different websites.
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It's able to track their behavior
and sends it back to them
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without you even knowing about it,
you know?
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And I don't know the terms
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and conditions for the foreign website
if it talks about that or not.
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But you know, a company called
disconnect was looking into this.
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Patrick Jackson was analyzing it
and he just said it says it's
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extremely invasive,
this expanded data sharing, when you do
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an analysis of the actual pixel code,
you'll see things that look really bad.
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Now, privacy has changed a lot,
with the internet and everything else.
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It's not certainly like it once was,
but this, in my opinion, is going
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a little bit too far and, you know,
if one company can do it, others can.
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And at the end of the day, you know, it's,
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it's one of those things we're going to
deep dive into this in a couple of weeks.
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And also at that time, talk
about what you can do to minimize,
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these kind of situations.
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And we've gotten a lot of,
listener feedback on some of these topics
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that we've had before.
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So we're going
to do a question, questions.
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I think actually,
there is, definite desire to deep dive
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into some more things
that don't require becoming a hermit
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living off the grid to keep your data
a little more secure.
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So at the end of the day, it's just like
I say something to be aware of right now.
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And, you know, at the end of the day,
I don't know.
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I'm still not on TikTok with
maybe I am. I just don't know what.
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I'm not on TikTok either.
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All right.
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Microsoft's Valentine's gift to admins
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is six exploited zero day fixes.
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So, that's a wonderful thing.
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And if you're an admin,
you'll know what this is.
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If not, you probably won't know.
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Won't matter that much.
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But, real quick thing on this is,
at the end of the day, what is zero day
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is is something that comes out
that is already an exploit.
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That's in your software
so that your operating system, whatever
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the case may be, and they solve it, but
they have to do it after the fact build.
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Is there a better definition of that?
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Not really.
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I mean, it's something that came out
the day the, the, software
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came out
and usually hasn't been seen or fixed or.
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And basically what it does.
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So there's and there's been some things
that have come up recently
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that there's been problems.
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I January was just a bad month
for Microsoft updates.
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So they're getting on it.
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And the next round of updates
that are coming out, on Patch
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Tuesday
will fix a lot of these different things.
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Now, if you are an admin,
you already probably know,
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some of the stuff that's come out of here,
but some of the better ones
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are a problem with, word security,
where you can bypass security.
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You can elevate to,
administrative privileges on,
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desktop on windows using these exploits,
gain remote control access and on.
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And those are things
that you probably really
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don't want to have happen,
especially if you don't know about it.
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So but it's kind of difficult
if the updates don't fix it
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and the bad guys already know about it.
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So yeah, I, you know, this headlines
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a little tongue in cheek,
but it is definitely a,
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a good thing to see this coming out
being reported by the Register.
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And I'm glad to see this happening.
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And I'll let you know next
week if they work or not.
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We feel it in
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our bones and a machine never love you.
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So you know, this is an interesting topic.
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BBC's reporting on this and there's
some other, places on the internet
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where they have some comparison on this,
but I'll use the BBC article.
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It is a debate
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whether or not AI has gotten to the point
of singularity or being sentient.
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We have discussed what that is
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here before, but basically at that point
it's self-aware.
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You know, there's a lot more to it,
but that's where it's coming from.
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So what's happening is the people
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are falling in love with their chat bots.
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And, you know, the way that AI is designed
is it can respond and,
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you know, it feels like it has emotion
and all the rest of it,
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certain people will say,
well, it's mimicking emotion.
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Another argue
well, it actually, you know, has it.
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So, you know, it's just
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2024 study.
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This goes back a little bit
millions of users using called replica,
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if not 40% of them
claim to have a romantic relationship
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with the chat bot, so.
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Yeah, this this brings up,
you know, like I said earlier,
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like Raj and a Big Bang Theory
where he fell in love with Siri.
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You know, because she was emotionally
meeting his needs, you know, on a,
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you know, intellectual level. And,
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you know, and the thing of it is, is
you look at stuff like this,
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I cannot return emotion. Probably not.
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But there are a lot of positive cases
where chat bots are, you know,
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especially with
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you have people that are isolated
like say, seniors or something like that.
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I actually have someone to talk to
in a sense.
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So, you know, you're seeing applications
of this type of technology in that way.
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But I don't see us performing,
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you know, human
AI of weddings anytime soon.
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You know, and it's I kind of look at this
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thinking back to, a friend in college
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had this boyfriend who said, my dog
doesn't have any feelings.
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And it's like there was a lot of attitude
many, many years ago
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that your pets were just things to use.
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And I think people have really changed
their attitudes
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about about the animals in their lives.
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So, I'm sorry, I think the dog did have
feelings, you know?
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If anybody doesn't think my cats
have feelings, they can email me and argue
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with me about that.
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And they're not going to win
that argument, you know?
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But you're talking about a pet,
which is a living creature, you know?
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So yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
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I guess we're
going to go on to another strange topic.
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This robot with a working
human face is incredibly unsettling.
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Yeah, I mean, it's uncanny Valley. Yeah.
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You know, you're going in that direction.
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And I think at the end of the day,
it's subjective futurism reporting.
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Victor Tankman wrote the article.
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And what we're doing here
is a number of different companies,
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not just, 21 humanoid robots,
which is what this is talking about.
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Robot called the Walker two,
but are trying to build
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biped, humanoid looking robots.
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You know, we're seeing that kind of thing
all over the place with this company.
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Droid OP has taken this to the next level
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and actually done it in a way that it does
look real.
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To the extent
that if you touch the robot, it
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the skin has a good warmth, just like
a human would and all the rest of it. So,
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I don't know if it's creepy or not,
but certainly I could see where
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that could be an assumption
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one of the things that's been talked
about this with, robotics
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and we're going to be seeing
a lot of this, you know, this is just
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the beginning of it
is maybe don't make them look human,
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or be a little less of the creepy factor
in that kind of thing.
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Yeah.
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It's like, I think I feel
completely comfortable with C-3po.
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Yeah, but R2d2.
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Yes, I like R2-d2, too.
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Now, you know, it's interesting,
the Star Wars thing, it's
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you know, I've said this before,
ten years ago, what sci fi is now.
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You can, you know, buy it at the store
in some cases.
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But you look at something like that,
C-3po, R2-d2 was Star Wars characters.
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Even the biped
robot doesn't really look human.
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No, he doesn't, you know, and
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neither, there's other robotic characters
in in stories, The Orville.
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He doesn't look,
I mean, he has got a biped body,
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and, and he's supposed to be.
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I think a sentient
AI is what I am assuming.
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And the woman does fall in love with him.
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Interesting, Yeah.
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How many claims for you has a 92% human
like walking accuracy,
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and it is able to actually walk? 92%?
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Yeah. You.
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I would have guessed. Stop.
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And, hey, that's about 92% more than
most of the others that I've seen. So
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I don't know what.
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What do you guys think?
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That, biped human looking
robots are okay?
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I mean, or do you think that they should
maybe keep them not looking so human?
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I think it's that bridge still the uncanny
valley.
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Eventually, it won't matter.
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We're still in that stage where it does.
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And it's also the novelty of it that
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we're not used to it.
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Yeah. Right. Right.
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Yeah.
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It's kind of like people
have to get used to something
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that's different,
give them a little time and.
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And it wouldn't be a robot, would it?
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Or what, what what constitutes
robot versus an android?
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Yeah. Android is,
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robot is it runs on software and,
you know, that kind of thing.
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But at this point it is a robot.
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But, okay.
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You know, so, yeah,
I think I'd probably find a robot
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more pleasing to be mechanical looking
and an android
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to be more, natural or human like maybe.
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I mean, that's where I would like. Sure.
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When we talked about the robot
at Olympics, we were kind of looking
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at some of this stuff, too,
and a listener comment that came in
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which I thought was kind of amusing,
as they should,
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build them to look like Roswell. Great.
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So that way when the grays come,
they'll already be used to them.
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Right? So I.
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I'm, Well, something upsetting.
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The Department of Homeland Security
is demanding that Google
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turn over information
about random critics.
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Yeah, so a lot of things are being tested
in the law right now.
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And this is, as you say,
something concerning,
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because if you go on Google and criticize
the government, which has Americans
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or in most other countries as well,
we have the absolute right to do Google.
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Yeah, we're talking about earlier TikTok
saving data.
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Well, Google does the exact same thing.
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So now they have a database.
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And you know, U.S government,
as the headline says, it's found a
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a different way to keep tabs on citizens
who criticize
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the government just to man
their personal data from Google.
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And I can see where people would have
a very negative reaction
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to something like this.
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And I think it's also unfair
to Google, too, because they're kind of
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being pushed in the middle of something
that they did not courts, you know?
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So so does this mean
that they can just like,
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steal your, email?
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I don't know if it was stealing
your email.
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What they would do is search
what you've searched on and email
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and uploaded to Google Drive,
I would think.
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And so on. And if you ask, yeah,
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so if you have
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things that are Na in your Google account,
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then it's no longer
private or secret or non disclosed.
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Yeah.
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So in remote,
you know, again, we're not lawyers here
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but nondisclosure agreements
if you have a warrant or something.
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My understanding is it doesn't matter
anyway.
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The warrant supersedes the NDA.
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And, I might not be 100% correct on that,
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but as a general process,
we're seeing this kind of thing happen.
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And I know that on this topic,
they already do monitor things because,
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YouTube, a gentleman that does a YouTube
channel that I kind of like
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almost lost his channel.
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He was doing research as a reporter
and found,
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was looking into some story
and got a, chat capture.
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Well, it was in Spanish.
He speaks English.
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So he uploaded to his Google drive
to review it later.
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An hour later,
all his Google stuff stopped working.
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YouTube, Gmail, the whole bit.
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And they're saying, well,
you violated our terms
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because there was apparently
some very racist stuff in this document.
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Now, of course, he didn't know that
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and was not contributing
to, you know, creating that junk.
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You can think of another word,
but I won't say it on the air.
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But the thing of videos is,
at the end of the day, he had to fight
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and fight hard to not lose his livelihood,
you know?
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So these things are already
being monitored.
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Now they want to take it a step further,
where the government can look at that
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as well. And it's interesting.
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They use something called
administrative warrants,
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which is a warrant
that can be assigned by the investigator.
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It's not signed by a judge, you know.
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So obviously if the investigator
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can sign their own warrants, there's
no check and balance on that either.
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So yeah it's yeah.
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So it's I don't like him.
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He stole my friend or whatever.
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I'm going to investigate them.
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It's like the
the airplane thing all over again.
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You know the no fly list.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Exactly. You know, it's just. Yeah.
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Anyway.
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But yeah, at the end of the day,
these type of things are
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something
that the law is still catching up with.
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And it's going to be interesting to see,
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you know, what side of this winds
of the freedom of the people or
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the government being able to,
you know, have another bit of overreach.
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So this must be very stressful
for the people in technology
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who have to deal with this.
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This isn't their normal wheelhouse. No.
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And you know, and they serve process
on Google or whatever company,
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you know, so you have someone there.
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Now, the bigger companies like this,
of course, have a good legal department.
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They can fight these things and years
and a lot of cases.
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But again, at the end of the day,
what do you do?
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You know.
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So like I say, it's going to be
interesting to see how this plays out.
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Oh, and another cheery article.
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Wells Fargo Bank denies
Santa Clara County, California
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homeowners $28,000 refund after check
altered and cashed by mail.
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Thieves ABC seven Eyewitness News
Los Angeles was reporting on this.
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Stephanie Sierra wrote the article,
and what this is talking about
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is a proffer to me to give
my quarterly rant on don't use checks.
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So yes,
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there has been more and more problems
with this
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as life goes on, and this is growing
quite a bit.
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So basically what happened
is, two Northern California homeowners,
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sent their check
for their property taxes in,
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which I guess in San Jose is $28,000.
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And I didn't think anything of it.
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The check cleared
the bank and life went on.
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Well, they got a delinquency
notice on down the road,
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and then went back to look at it
and see what actually had happened.
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And the check was there, but it, had
been changed, you know, alter in the mail.
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The name was different,
that kind of a thing.
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And, you know,
getting $28,000 is a lot of money.
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I don't know about you, but I don't have
that sitting in my drawer here.
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You know, that kind of a thing?
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Well, Wells Fargo,
which was a bank involved in this,
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denied the refund, saying that
they didn't do it in a timely fashion.
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Claimed the thing.
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And there are limits on
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credit card
fraud, bank fraud, check fraud like this.
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They're all different.
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And, this varies from place to place
and institution institution.
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But it is just something that you do need
to stay on top of your financials.
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And if something weird happens,
know about it right away.
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And yes, we're all busy,
but this is your money.
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It's important.
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And it is definitely something that
that you don't want to have.
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So this way
and that being said, just remember,
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if you send a check
or give a check to somebody,
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you're giving your name, address,
probably your phone number,
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your checking account number,
your routing number, your signature,
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all of this personal information
on this little document.
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It was fine for the, you know,
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20th century, but the 21st century,
this is totally obsolete.
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And if you must use a check
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if your bank offers it,
most of them do use your online bill pay
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because they'll send the check, but
it won't have your account number on it.
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Their system for that.
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So speaking of bad guys trying to,
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take your money from you,
it is tax time here in the United States.
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So in the United States we file our taxes.
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Generally, they're due on April 15th
or thereabouts, depending on the year.
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And with that comes the scammers.
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So the number one this year and again
this is not necessarily new stuff.
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It's just what's going on.
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Number one this year is the IRS impression
phone calls.
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All are claims they're from the IRS.
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They probably spoofed the caller ID.
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So it might show the right, phone number.
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So something like you owe back taxes.
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There's a warrant or your Social Security
number is suspended, which is interesting
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and demands payment via
gift cards, wire transfer or crypto.
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There's red flag number one.
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Oh, yeah.
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You know. Yeah.
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The IRS will never call you out
of the blue demanding immediate payments.
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So that's number one.
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If you get a call like this,
it is a fraud.
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If you have a problem, they send letters.
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There are official ways
that they will deal with you.
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If this happens, just hang up.
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Do not engage.
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Never pay anything with gift cards
or crypto,
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you know, and report it to irs@irs.gov.
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So the next one that goes along with
this is text message
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scams or smishing.
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And you'll get a text message
something like you qualify
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for a $1,400 refund
or your tax return is under review.
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And it includes a link where you can go
and enter your Social Security number,
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bank details, or whatever else.
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It thereafter looks very official.
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And, this one
the IRS is taking seriously.
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You email it to phishing with a P
at IRS knockoff.
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So if you get one of those messages
forwarded to that address
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itching at irs.gov.
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And that's a way to report it.
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It's very, very easy to do.
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And along with this are emails
that are fake tax refund notices.
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Any of these things
the idea is to get you off your guard
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a little bit and, hey, you have to do
this.
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It's got to happen right now.
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If you don't, you'll go to jail
or you'll lose your refund or something
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that creates the idea of, urgency.
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And then you get to know, well,
I don't want that to happen or,
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you know, whatever the case may be.
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So you got to go and,
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you got to go and pay this bill
or give us your account information
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so we can send you your refund or whatever
the case will be.
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Again, IRS does not do that.
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First of all, they're not going to call
you just just period.
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They're not going to email you
out of the blue either.
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You get your refund when you file
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your tax return
by filling out a thing for direct deposit,
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and it takes it from there,
and that is the real way to do it.
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So send us your questions
in your comments.
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There's a lot of other stuff
coming up too,
472
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but this is a big topic
and these things are getting worse.
473
00:23:40,385 --> 00:23:42,921
This is user friendly.
2.0. We'll be back after the break.
474
00:23:42,921 --> 00:23:45,924
We'll see him. He's from the future.
475
00:23:45,991 --> 00:23:49,060
He's got a really big computer
476
00:23:49,628 --> 00:23:52,764
and he uses it every day.
477
00:23:53,165 --> 00:23:56,301
And usually uses it in every way.
478
00:23:56,735 --> 00:23:59,404
I see you sure you know, I'm not that
479
00:23:59,404 --> 00:24:03,275
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480
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482
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dot show is the one stop
483
00:24:12,818 --> 00:24:14,553
right in this segment
we're going to be doing two things.
484
00:24:14,553 --> 00:24:17,456
Gretchen. We're going to be talking to you
in a minute about a Lego project.
485
00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:20,692
And after that, James Sherwood with
the vault
486
00:24:21,226 --> 00:24:24,095
is going to be talking about your masters.
487
00:24:24,095 --> 00:24:28,300
So before we get into that, Gretchen,
what's all I see here is Lego project.
488
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:29,801
Tell us about what is it?
489
00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:31,069
Okay. All right.
490
00:24:31,069 --> 00:24:37,309
As some of you may recall, Jeremy,
who was one of our hosts,
491
00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:42,547
was very much into Legos,
and he collected, I mean, hard core.
492
00:24:42,981 --> 00:24:46,351
And one of the projects that, he bought
493
00:24:46,351 --> 00:24:50,355
was the NASA Apollo Saturn five.
494
00:24:50,355 --> 00:24:52,457
Project.
495
00:24:52,457 --> 00:24:56,094
So I had this box
and I was thinking, you know,
496
00:24:56,094 --> 00:25:00,332
when he was still alive,
we planned to build this together.
497
00:25:00,932 --> 00:25:03,668
And as time has gone
on, I've unpacked things
498
00:25:03,668 --> 00:25:06,671
and it's like,
oh, I really want to do that.
499
00:25:06,671 --> 00:25:09,674
And he'd be really sad if I didn't do it.
500
00:25:09,875 --> 00:25:14,713
So I got up
the courage, opened up the fancy box and,
501
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,984
you know, pulled out the instructions,
the instruction book.
502
00:25:18,984 --> 00:25:21,186
Look at this, guys, can you see this?
503
00:25:21,186 --> 00:25:23,421
It is. It is like. It's like the.
504
00:25:23,421 --> 00:25:25,724
But our listeners can't
unless they've changed radio. So.
505
00:25:25,724 --> 00:25:27,559
But that's about it. That's fantastic.
506
00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:28,026
Yeah.
507
00:25:28,026 --> 00:25:32,163
It's like, a quarter
or a third inch thick.
508
00:25:32,163 --> 00:25:34,666
Yeah. And it is, it got a hard
509
00:25:36,268 --> 00:25:37,302
binding.
510
00:25:37,302 --> 00:25:39,638
It's all right. That's nice.
511
00:25:39,638 --> 00:25:40,739
I guess it's.
512
00:25:40,739 --> 00:25:43,141
And it's beautiful, slick paper.
513
00:25:43,141 --> 00:25:47,679
And in the, in the front of it,
there's all this, historical stuff.
514
00:25:48,113 --> 00:25:53,084
There's a schematic
of the different parts of the real Saturn
515
00:25:53,084 --> 00:25:57,489
five rocket
and all of this beautiful history.
516
00:25:57,722 --> 00:26:01,860
There's, Like a timeline
for the journey to the moon.
517
00:26:01,893 --> 00:26:03,361
The moon.
518
00:26:03,361 --> 00:26:07,632
And the nice thing about this
is it's also written in several languages.
519
00:26:08,033 --> 00:26:13,271
So this was really meant to be,
something that,
520
00:26:13,271 --> 00:26:17,742
if you're into space
or wanting to be an astronaut,
521
00:26:17,976 --> 00:26:23,648
this is the thing to get for your kid
or your adult who loves this stuff now.
522
00:26:23,882 --> 00:26:26,952
So I go on, I was just going to say
523
00:26:26,952 --> 00:26:30,121
Legos have been a thing
that I've had my whole life.
524
00:26:30,121 --> 00:26:32,057
I love them,
I love them when I was a kid, I still do.
525
00:26:32,057 --> 00:26:34,659
And, you know,
we talked about smart Legos a while back,
526
00:26:34,659 --> 00:26:37,662
so I can see where you would really be
enjoying doing this.
527
00:26:38,063 --> 00:26:38,763
Oh, yeah.
528
00:26:38,763 --> 00:26:41,299
When I was a kid,
I desperately wanted them.
529
00:26:41,299 --> 00:26:44,002
My parents would not get them for me,
for some reason.
530
00:26:44,002 --> 00:26:46,438
And so I don't know what happened there.
531
00:26:46,438 --> 00:26:51,109
I don't know whether it was a girl factor
or because they were expensive. So.
532
00:26:51,109 --> 00:26:53,011
But I never got them.
533
00:26:53,011 --> 00:26:57,082
And,
so I unpacked this box and there are,
534
00:26:57,082 --> 00:27:00,885
I think, 12 bags, Legos,
535
00:27:00,885 --> 00:27:04,522
puts their projects into sections.
536
00:27:04,689 --> 00:27:08,793
So it's not this big mass of hearts,
you know, all floating around.
537
00:27:08,793 --> 00:27:13,531
They want you to, be able to work on it
and organize fashion.
538
00:27:14,132 --> 00:27:18,536
And I know that sometimes these things
are a little hard for me to do.
539
00:27:18,536 --> 00:27:22,207
So I decided I was only going to do
one bag at a time,
540
00:27:22,774 --> 00:27:25,343
you know, just carefully,
methodically do that.
541
00:27:25,343 --> 00:27:27,245
And I got to the fourth bag
542
00:27:28,313 --> 00:27:30,115
and I started having problems.
543
00:27:30,115 --> 00:27:33,518
The pieces
I can't get the panels to stay on.
544
00:27:33,518 --> 00:27:37,956
So if there's somebody out there
who's like a hard core
545
00:27:37,989 --> 00:27:42,560
Lego person
and you have the Saturn five, I.
546
00:27:42,894 --> 00:27:45,664
I looked back at the instructions to go
547
00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:51,269
and check out the area where
I'm having trouble, and I'm wondering
548
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:54,539
if the picture is maybe not clear enough
549
00:27:54,906 --> 00:27:58,009
for me to know how to put the pieces on.
550
00:27:58,810 --> 00:28:01,813
There's some angles that are curious,
551
00:28:02,247 --> 00:28:05,650
and so I moved things around,
but it's still the pieces.
552
00:28:05,650 --> 00:28:08,687
The panels are still not staying in place.
553
00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:10,021
Say they want to pop out.
554
00:28:10,021 --> 00:28:11,756
So I'm wondering out here.
555
00:28:11,756 --> 00:28:14,125
Yeah,
there are others out there who have this.
556
00:28:14,125 --> 00:28:15,427
And you know, many people love Legos.
557
00:28:15,427 --> 00:28:18,296
One thing you might consider doing
is just going to Google or something
558
00:28:18,296 --> 00:28:20,732
and googling
Saturn five and see if there's a Reddit,
559
00:28:20,732 --> 00:28:23,535
you know, or something like that,
or if there probably is.
560
00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:25,236
I would imagine. Yeah.
561
00:28:25,236 --> 00:28:28,106
And if there's a problem, you're not
the first one that's going to have had it.
562
00:28:28,106 --> 00:28:29,374
So yeah. No that's cool.
563
00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:30,542
Oh yeah.
564
00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:34,079
I have always their hands on
they're tactile
565
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:37,382
and they've never done,
you know, the cash grab where.
566
00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:39,651
Well now this isn't compatible
with that either.
567
00:28:39,651 --> 00:28:42,987
So even when the duplex box came out,
they could be used together.
568
00:28:42,987 --> 00:28:43,254
Sort of.
569
00:28:43,254 --> 00:28:46,825
So I yeah, it's a it's a thing
that I've always thought was a lot of fun.
570
00:28:46,825 --> 00:28:48,860
And I love to see how it's going.
571
00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:52,697
But, you know, the other thing of it is
these Lego sets can be worth a fortune.
572
00:28:53,598 --> 00:28:57,135
Yeah, I didn't even look to see
how much this one was worth.
573
00:28:57,135 --> 00:28:59,637
Now I don't you don't want to do that.
574
00:28:59,637 --> 00:28:59,971
Yeah.
575
00:28:59,971 --> 00:29:01,539
Yeah. No, but you can't.
576
00:29:01,539 --> 00:29:03,842
You have something like that where you're
afraid to touch it because of the value.
577
00:29:03,842 --> 00:29:06,644
But I'm seeing some of these sets
go for over $1,000 apiece.
578
00:29:06,644 --> 00:29:08,947
I mean, it's like a lot of money.
579
00:29:08,947 --> 00:29:11,316
Yeah. So, Yeah. No. Yeah, I
580
00:29:12,884 --> 00:29:15,186
do, I retirement in Legos.
581
00:29:15,186 --> 00:29:15,720
Yeah.
582
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,723
Maybe that's what he was thinking
I don't know.
583
00:29:18,857 --> 00:29:20,425
Yeah I'll tell you it's fun.
584
00:29:20,425 --> 00:29:22,260
That put something together.
It's frustrating.
585
00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:23,862
And I just had a recent arcade cabinet.
586
00:29:23,862 --> 00:29:25,196
I tried to build the whole story.
587
00:29:25,196 --> 00:29:26,264
We don't have time therefore.
588
00:29:26,264 --> 00:29:29,267
But it didn't go together so well.
589
00:29:29,267 --> 00:29:32,270
So you know, and it wasn't,
590
00:29:32,871 --> 00:29:34,639
your situation probably is fixable.
591
00:29:34,639 --> 00:29:36,875
This one was not very frustrating.
592
00:29:36,875 --> 00:29:40,278
So I might start all over again,
might pull the pieces apart
593
00:29:40,278 --> 00:29:43,281
and try and figure out
what did I do wrong.
594
00:29:43,481 --> 00:29:45,216
And, you know,
and that's the way to do it.
595
00:29:45,216 --> 00:29:46,684
I mean, that's how you do it.
596
00:29:46,684 --> 00:29:48,653
That's how you learn. So. Yeah.
597
00:29:48,653 --> 00:29:49,020
Yeah.
598
00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:50,622
So too cool. All right.
599
00:29:50,622 --> 00:29:52,824
Well next on the radar here.
600
00:29:52,824 --> 00:29:54,025
Let's go ahead and talk.
601
00:29:54,025 --> 00:29:58,530
So my asked ers James
Sherwood with the vault is joining us.
602
00:29:59,097 --> 00:29:59,931
Here we go.
603
00:29:59,931 --> 00:30:01,900
Welcome to the vault.
This is James Sherwood.
604
00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:05,537
And today we're going to be talking
with some friends of mine Ray and Andy.
605
00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:08,940
And we're talking about a new trading
card game that just came out
606
00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:12,477
in March of 2025 called Soul Masterpiece.
607
00:30:12,877 --> 00:30:16,414
It's a trading card game
using multiple resources.
608
00:30:16,414 --> 00:30:18,349
It's a fantasy based.
609
00:30:18,349 --> 00:30:21,119
It seems to be an interesting game.
610
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:25,223
We spent some time today
doing live play and let's talk about it.
611
00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:27,525
So when you
612
00:30:27,525 --> 00:30:30,728
guys opened up the box,
what was your first impression?
613
00:30:31,429 --> 00:30:34,632
My first impression was, wow,
this is a really cool build quality
614
00:30:34,632 --> 00:30:37,635
or really quality in the pieces
and the cards.
615
00:30:37,902 --> 00:30:40,238
That was my first impression. Immediate.
616
00:30:40,238 --> 00:30:43,241
And then I look at the artworks
like, oh, great enemy, like enemy.
617
00:30:44,008 --> 00:30:46,044
Yeah,
I was really impressed with the artwork.
618
00:30:46,044 --> 00:30:47,645
I love the poker chips.
619
00:30:47,645 --> 00:30:50,982
I love the quality of them,
using them for life counters.
620
00:30:50,982 --> 00:30:52,851
I know there's
going to be a chain for that,
621
00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:55,854
but it looks like a lot of love
was put into it.
622
00:30:55,887 --> 00:30:59,924
And then by no means
does it look like it's made sense.
623
00:31:00,892 --> 00:31:03,061
So guys, tell me a little bit
624
00:31:03,061 --> 00:31:07,031
about your initial setup for the game.
625
00:31:07,031 --> 00:31:08,266
What did it look like?
626
00:31:09,267 --> 00:31:12,270
So I mean setting it up
627
00:31:12,770 --> 00:31:15,773
depends on what roles
you're starting to look at.
628
00:31:16,741 --> 00:31:20,111
Like out of the box,
out of the box, out of the box.
629
00:31:20,111 --> 00:31:23,114
Setting the game up took some.
630
00:31:23,281 --> 00:31:24,549
It took a few readings.
631
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:27,552
It comes with three decks.
632
00:31:27,852 --> 00:31:33,591
Our three separate pilots and instruction
manual, the quick start guide
633
00:31:33,591 --> 00:31:37,228
that comes with tells you where they go
or what they're used for.
634
00:31:37,228 --> 00:31:41,032
In very brief,
and it tells you how to start.
635
00:31:41,266 --> 00:31:43,735
You're going to have an opening hand
636
00:31:43,735 --> 00:31:46,738
and, you know,
the first few steps on how to get that.
637
00:31:46,738 --> 00:31:49,741
I think
638
00:31:50,541 --> 00:31:54,812
in terms of getting it started
and having your playfield set up,
639
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:59,884
I really yeah, you know, back when you,
you know, came out in the, 2000,
640
00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:05,356
I think they came with a little paper
format that you unfolded and
641
00:32:06,491 --> 00:32:06,991
it would
642
00:32:06,991 --> 00:32:09,961
help to have that to help organize
where things go.
643
00:32:10,128 --> 00:32:12,330
And it seems like it really wanted that.
644
00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:15,466
So I had an idea, but then the playback
came out, oh, this goes
645
00:32:15,466 --> 00:32:18,469
here, that goes there
and make things a lot easier.
646
00:32:18,569 --> 00:32:20,905
Okay. $0.02 for me.
647
00:32:20,905 --> 00:32:23,474
I mean, opening in the box was nice.
648
00:32:23,474 --> 00:32:26,778
A lot of quality put into the artwork.
649
00:32:26,778 --> 00:32:30,348
The cards, the, poker
chips, the pamphlets.
650
00:32:31,115 --> 00:32:33,518
In terms of setting up in preparation,
651
00:32:33,518 --> 00:32:37,322
what I do is I scan the QR code,
which is inside of one of the pamphlets,
652
00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:41,826
and I looked at all the videos
where to try to look at all of them and,
653
00:32:42,327 --> 00:32:45,330
try to get a better understanding
of the rules that way.
654
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:47,432
It was more informative.
655
00:32:47,432 --> 00:32:51,636
I feel like the pamphlet gives
somewhat of, I mean, as a rudimentary
656
00:32:51,636 --> 00:32:54,772
kind of guide, but there's a lot more
there's a lot more complexity
657
00:32:55,807 --> 00:32:58,276
that I needed info on.
658
00:32:58,276 --> 00:33:01,612
And so a lot of the setup I was doing was,
659
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,849
okay, like,
this is how these are the rules.
660
00:33:04,849 --> 00:33:06,918
Okay. But
how does that actually look in the game?
661
00:33:06,918 --> 00:33:10,254
And that's the part where I was still,
pretty lost.
662
00:33:10,922 --> 00:33:11,422
Yeah.
663
00:33:11,422 --> 00:33:14,325
I found myself jumping a lot in the rules.
664
00:33:14,325 --> 00:33:17,128
Even even the actual main rules book.
665
00:33:17,128 --> 00:33:20,031
I was jumping back and forth,
hoping in one section
666
00:33:20,031 --> 00:33:24,435
they explained some process to them
to a better extent than what it was.
667
00:33:24,635 --> 00:33:28,439
So oftentimes I find, oh,
this is referenced here.
668
00:33:28,773 --> 00:33:32,043
Let me see if they talk about it
later in more detail.
669
00:33:32,043 --> 00:33:35,880
Whereas I wish that
that would have been these by phase.
670
00:33:35,913 --> 00:33:36,714
Explain I,
671
00:33:36,714 --> 00:33:39,083
you know, you've played a lot of games,
you've all played
672
00:33:39,083 --> 00:33:41,986
a lot of board games here and trading card
games, definitely.
673
00:33:41,986 --> 00:33:43,821
I've played a lot of those.
674
00:33:43,821 --> 00:33:46,557
Usually when you're explaining a game
and teaching someone to play a game
675
00:33:46,557 --> 00:33:51,062
and walking through those first steps,
you're getting piece by piece
676
00:33:51,362 --> 00:33:55,333
and you're beginning step by step
how to go through every single thing.
677
00:33:55,333 --> 00:33:58,903
And it's not a fully detailed,
every man wants to edge case,
678
00:33:59,370 --> 00:34:03,574
but you want the relative stuff to do
most of the actions you can do in one
679
00:34:03,975 --> 00:34:05,043
in your first turn.
680
00:34:05,043 --> 00:34:07,712
And I felt like
I was jumping around to get that.
681
00:34:07,712 --> 00:34:10,748
Yeah, I think one of the things
that comes up to mind for me
682
00:34:10,748 --> 00:34:13,951
when I was trying to learn this
or my setup was,
683
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:18,056
it seems intuitive
or it seems like it should feel
684
00:34:18,122 --> 00:34:21,692
wants to be intuitive, wants to be,
and that's
685
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,630
the reality of playing it was
it wasn't as intuitive as I was thinking.
686
00:34:26,297 --> 00:34:26,397
Yeah.
687
00:34:26,397 --> 00:34:29,100
Like in this room
we were playing earlier.
688
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:30,701
The armor thing. Yes. We are.
689
00:34:30,701 --> 00:34:35,673
So armor, as anyone could probably guess,
is using damage.
690
00:34:36,074 --> 00:34:38,876
But, it didn't
691
00:34:38,876 --> 00:34:42,713
necessarily say that until I,
I don't know, looked
692
00:34:42,713 --> 00:34:46,584
at three different places
to find, overexaggerating.
693
00:34:46,751 --> 00:34:48,419
But, I mean, not not really.
694
00:34:48,419 --> 00:34:49,587
Not by much. Yeah.
695
00:34:49,587 --> 00:34:55,293
I mean, this this even happened
when we were trying to figure out, Yeah.
696
00:34:55,293 --> 00:34:56,694
Energy resurfaces.
697
00:34:56,694 --> 00:34:57,428
Right? Right.
698
00:34:57,428 --> 00:35:01,265
How many energy cards
we could have on the energy field
699
00:35:01,299 --> 00:35:04,302
we still haven't figured out necessarily
before?
700
00:35:04,635 --> 00:35:05,336
Yeah.
701
00:35:05,336 --> 00:35:08,239
The reserve is the resource,
not reserve deck.
702
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,876
Yeah, the resource deck,
it says discard, your resource.
703
00:35:12,243 --> 00:35:16,380
And we just presume, based on the fact
that there's so many things that generate
704
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:21,252
and spend that resource,
that there's no way that it's not just
705
00:35:21,252 --> 00:35:25,056
discarding to its own that we just present
and and that we sort of figured that out
706
00:35:25,823 --> 00:35:28,860
with definitive written rules,
if I remember correctly.
707
00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:29,427
Yeah.
708
00:35:29,427 --> 00:35:31,896
I think there's some like
I think there's a thing to where it's like
709
00:35:31,896 --> 00:35:33,931
it's like implied intuitiveness.
710
00:35:33,931 --> 00:35:34,832
Yeah. Right.
711
00:35:34,832 --> 00:35:39,203
So for us it's intuitive because
it would be like that doesn't make sense.
712
00:35:39,203 --> 00:35:42,039
Right. Because if you were only six,
you would run out.
713
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:43,541
So I wouldn't put in the discard.
714
00:35:43,541 --> 00:35:47,545
However, like I feel like that
should be explained in the rulebook too.
715
00:35:47,612 --> 00:35:47,945
Yeah.
716
00:35:47,945 --> 00:35:52,717
Just so real quick question
just to jump in here a little bit.
717
00:35:53,718 --> 00:35:54,218
You have
718
00:35:54,218 --> 00:35:57,221
talked
about having to jump around in the rules.
719
00:35:57,455 --> 00:36:00,625
So from what I would see
from what I was looking at online,
720
00:36:00,625 --> 00:36:05,363
from watching play,
it looks like there is the rules,
721
00:36:05,363 --> 00:36:09,267
the instructions that come with the game,
that are not the most helpful
722
00:36:09,901 --> 00:36:12,904
with the QR code to some online rules.
723
00:36:13,337 --> 00:36:17,341
Those rules are a little more in-depth,
but still not very intuitive
724
00:36:17,341 --> 00:36:19,143
and not very well laid out.
725
00:36:19,143 --> 00:36:19,410
Yeah.
726
00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:23,314
How did you find the, live play videos?
727
00:36:23,314 --> 00:36:26,317
Did you find those helpful
or the tutorials?
728
00:36:26,684 --> 00:36:28,586
To an extent I did.
729
00:36:28,586 --> 00:36:32,089
I'm more of
I tend to like visual things a lot more.
730
00:36:32,890 --> 00:36:36,661
And so I think what I was thinking about
when I was watching
731
00:36:36,661 --> 00:36:40,198
some of these videos, or at least,
the official ones, was
732
00:36:40,998 --> 00:36:43,935
I felt like I could tell
the person's passion in making this.
733
00:36:43,935 --> 00:36:48,306
And I was there was one instance where he
was talking about, the attacking phase.
734
00:36:48,673 --> 00:36:53,544
He was actually showing, what that would
look like, and that was for him.
735
00:36:53,544 --> 00:36:58,182
What I wish for is, hey, could you do that
for a whole, like, a whole game?
736
00:36:58,683 --> 00:36:59,951
Maybe not a whole game, but.
737
00:36:59,951 --> 00:37:04,322
Yeah, you know, he does it in snippets,
a couple terms a couple times, right?
738
00:37:04,355 --> 00:37:06,224
He does it for like a turn or two,
and he explains,
739
00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:07,992
like the phasing and all that stuff.
740
00:37:07,992 --> 00:37:12,363
And it seems like, again, like, okay,
when you explain it that way,
741
00:37:12,363 --> 00:37:13,931
it seems a lot more intuitive.
742
00:37:13,931 --> 00:37:16,133
It seems like it makes more sense.
743
00:37:17,368 --> 00:37:18,603
But then it's so
744
00:37:18,603 --> 00:37:21,872
if I know that person is trying to fit
everything into a small amount of time,
745
00:37:21,872 --> 00:37:24,976
and I get that
it was one of these things too, where
746
00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:30,715
I think some of the ones that showcase
that they like played it for so long,
747
00:37:30,715 --> 00:37:34,685
I that there's so familiar with it, it
wasn't like a new, new, new, new player.
748
00:37:35,453 --> 00:37:38,189
That makes sense. Yeah.
749
00:37:38,189 --> 00:37:41,792
So we've talked a lot
about the intuitiveness.
750
00:37:41,792 --> 00:37:46,197
We've talked a lot about the game or
we've talked some about it, I should say.
751
00:37:46,530 --> 00:37:50,735
What is your experience levels
with trading card games,
752
00:37:51,202 --> 00:37:54,872
and how does this kind of match up
against your experience?
753
00:37:55,873 --> 00:37:57,475
Let me first on that one.
754
00:37:57,475 --> 00:38:00,711
Yeah, pretty pretty significant.
755
00:38:00,745 --> 00:38:03,814
I'm not going to say I've been
to Pro tours or anything like that.
756
00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:05,683
But you know, I played
757
00:38:06,751 --> 00:38:09,520
Pokemon for quite a for when I was a kid.
758
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,191
And, you know, when I came out and studio
when that came out
759
00:38:14,191 --> 00:38:19,363
and then I was, I dipped into magic
when I was in my teenage years
760
00:38:19,363 --> 00:38:24,568
and dipped out because it was just
financially not feasible as a teenager.
761
00:38:25,069 --> 00:38:30,207
And back when I was in my post,
I post-graduate education,
762
00:38:30,207 --> 00:38:35,980
I got back into it and I've been playing
mostly in the commander format
763
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,319
since 2015, at least the past ten years.
764
00:38:41,652 --> 00:38:45,089
I'd say
I have a decent handle on the rules
765
00:38:45,089 --> 00:38:48,092
of playing card game, I would say.
766
00:38:48,092 --> 00:38:52,029
So. You have a pretty extensive knowledge
of various different games.
767
00:38:52,163 --> 00:38:55,366
That's kind of your launch point for this,
as like you had.
768
00:38:55,766 --> 00:38:57,301
How does this compare to other games?
769
00:38:57,301 --> 00:38:59,537
Yeah, I wouldn't call myself a judge
or something.
770
00:38:59,537 --> 00:39:00,871
Crazy massive.
771
00:39:00,871 --> 00:39:05,076
Not knowledge base,
but I, I know enough to know
772
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:08,913
what stuff
makes sense of, you know, explains things
773
00:39:08,913 --> 00:39:12,316
like the stack or priorities like, oh,
I see where you got that from.
774
00:39:13,150 --> 00:39:13,651
Yeah.
775
00:39:13,651 --> 00:39:16,620
And I would say like that
minus I would know for
776
00:39:17,555 --> 00:39:18,456
sure.
777
00:39:18,456 --> 00:39:22,493
You know, I started playing Pokemon,
you know, when I was, you know,
778
00:39:22,493 --> 00:39:27,898
kid played the Pokemon trading card game,
like a computer version of it.
779
00:39:28,566 --> 00:39:30,201
You when that came out,
780
00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:33,437
I also played versus system,
which was a marvel and DC based two.
781
00:39:34,238 --> 00:39:35,439
So I was out for a little bit.
782
00:39:35,439 --> 00:39:38,142
They reformatted it
into the new versus system.
783
00:39:38,142 --> 00:39:43,681
So, and I played that like all through
high school and stuff for that in college.
784
00:39:44,315 --> 00:39:48,519
And then again got into as a postgraduate
kind of thing too.
785
00:39:49,053 --> 00:39:52,390
And I think the thing
I would say about like trading and then
786
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:53,691
I also got into Laura Connor.
787
00:39:54,658 --> 00:39:56,260
And so,
788
00:39:56,260 --> 00:40:00,931
you know, one of the things that I was,
trying to comparison with this too,
789
00:40:00,931 --> 00:40:03,934
was like aspects of work on
and like work on is
790
00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:06,604
I feel like very intuitive.
791
00:40:06,604 --> 00:40:07,705
I picked up very quickly.
792
00:40:07,705 --> 00:40:08,672
You can pick it up.
793
00:40:08,672 --> 00:40:11,642
It's good. And,
794
00:40:12,443 --> 00:40:15,446
there's not a lot of kind of,
795
00:40:15,579 --> 00:40:17,948
I guess I want to say like, look,
796
00:40:17,948 --> 00:40:20,251
lawyer playing,
maybe that's not the right rules.
797
00:40:20,251 --> 00:40:21,051
Lawyer.
798
00:40:21,051 --> 00:40:21,452
Yeah.
799
00:40:21,452 --> 00:40:24,722
I mean, yeah,
having to reference the rules quite often.
800
00:40:24,822 --> 00:40:25,689
Yeah. And it's not.
801
00:40:25,689 --> 00:40:27,758
It's not saying that this is like
a game. It's based off of that.
802
00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:29,894
But it was like,
okay, let's go back to the book.
803
00:40:29,894 --> 00:40:30,161
Okay.
804
00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:32,663
Let's go back to, guidance for like,
I was doing that a lot.
805
00:40:32,663 --> 00:40:33,497
Yeah.
806
00:40:33,497 --> 00:40:36,634
I think the key thing being like,
I was saying the organization
807
00:40:36,634 --> 00:40:39,637
and the set up of the rules
in the rulebook itself.
808
00:40:39,904 --> 00:40:40,404
Yeah.
809
00:40:40,404 --> 00:40:42,039
Having having everything.
810
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:44,475
And, you know, I know where to go
to get this information.
811
00:40:44,475 --> 00:40:46,043
I would like that
812
00:40:46,043 --> 00:40:49,046
because I don't expect myself to learn
everything perfectly on the first.
813
00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:50,748
Yeah.
814
00:40:50,748 --> 00:40:53,651
But I want to know where I find it
when I think like it's comparing it
815
00:40:53,651 --> 00:40:57,388
to other games, like the mechanic of only
attacking wrestling players like that.
816
00:40:57,588 --> 00:40:59,690
That's similar much law common, right.
817
00:40:59,690 --> 00:41:02,726
And I think the thing
that we were talking about was part of
818
00:41:02,726 --> 00:41:06,130
why that works and work on it
is because you request, right,
819
00:41:06,197 --> 00:41:10,601
which wrestler you know, the character
and therefore opens yourself up to attack.
820
00:41:10,601 --> 00:41:14,738
And then we were trying to figure out what
what like what does that do for this.
821
00:41:14,939 --> 00:41:15,873
Right. Yeah.
822
00:41:15,873 --> 00:41:18,242
And I saw some things actually that
823
00:41:18,242 --> 00:41:20,845
there's actually some interesting stuff
I think they do with that.
824
00:41:20,845 --> 00:41:24,014
And I think they probably get it from
that very that, from that very concept
825
00:41:24,181 --> 00:41:25,516
like the phasing mechanic.
826
00:41:25,516 --> 00:41:28,519
Let's keep this kind of a 30,000ft view.
827
00:41:28,986 --> 00:41:34,692
So looking at the game sounds like not
super intuitive right off the bat.
828
00:41:34,859 --> 00:41:38,028
A lot of pieces
put together a lot of moving parts.
829
00:41:38,028 --> 00:41:40,197
You need to have some experience to play
with.
830
00:41:40,197 --> 00:41:41,632
Was it fun?
831
00:41:41,632 --> 00:41:43,400
I had fun, yeah.
832
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,270
I think if I have
a broad definition of fun,
833
00:41:47,238 --> 00:41:48,873
I mean, and I'll just be honest, right.
834
00:41:48,873 --> 00:41:51,842
Like,
I think it has a potential to be fun.
835
00:41:51,942 --> 00:41:54,512
And there were definitely glimmers of that
when we were playing, I was like,
836
00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:56,180
hey, I'm getting this. This is cool.
837
00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:59,116
And so it's like, okay, we can go
back and forth, it can be more fast paced.
838
00:41:59,116 --> 00:42:01,819
It can be a lot more strategy
based on that.
839
00:42:01,819 --> 00:42:05,489
Like I saw the potential trying to get
there was hard work.
840
00:42:05,956 --> 00:42:06,891
And I think that's why I mean, like
841
00:42:06,891 --> 00:42:09,894
I have a broad definition of fun,
which is like, okay, I mean, yeah,
842
00:42:10,728 --> 00:42:14,131
you know, it can be fun
trying to learn how to play it
843
00:42:15,366 --> 00:42:16,200
wasn't that fun.
844
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,203
And it was kind of like, yeah,
845
00:42:19,837 --> 00:42:23,807
yeah, I, I enjoy learning new games.
846
00:42:24,241 --> 00:42:24,441
Yeah.
847
00:42:24,441 --> 00:42:28,178
So going back
and finding out how things work
848
00:42:28,178 --> 00:42:32,950
and then using those rules to in new,
unique ways has always
849
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:36,921
been, has always been part
of the definition of fun for any game.
850
00:42:36,921 --> 00:42:38,756
I mean, I that's in eight games.
851
00:42:40,057 --> 00:42:43,861
But it did not make that journey.
852
00:42:44,028 --> 00:42:48,165
It didn't help me much along
with that journey into that.
853
00:42:48,165 --> 00:42:49,833
And that part wasn't fun.
854
00:42:49,833 --> 00:42:54,772
In and of itself, like the game itself,
it certainly has potential.
855
00:42:55,105 --> 00:43:00,611
I think it's got, to be as a continuing
game, like as the meta evolves,
856
00:43:00,611 --> 00:43:03,614
or if you're playing more often
and collecting the cards,
857
00:43:03,681 --> 00:43:07,585
not just from this individual experience,
I think it has potential to be fun.
858
00:43:08,619 --> 00:43:10,888
You know,
so it seems like it's a fun game.
859
00:43:10,888 --> 00:43:12,590
I think it's a pretty fun game.
860
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:14,692
Yeah.
861
00:43:14,692 --> 00:43:16,860
So a little bit about the game.
862
00:43:16,860 --> 00:43:19,830
I met with the creators of the game
at Rose city Comic-Con
863
00:43:20,130 --> 00:43:23,267
in 2025, shortly after it came out.
864
00:43:23,667 --> 00:43:26,770
They were nice enough to give us,
starter decks.
865
00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:30,774
The starter decks run around $25 a piece.
866
00:43:31,108 --> 00:43:33,444
35 for special editions.
867
00:43:33,444 --> 00:43:36,847
They gave us a couple of placemats,
and those are about $30 apiece.
868
00:43:37,214 --> 00:43:41,785
The play maps
really seem to be an aid to the game.
869
00:43:41,785 --> 00:43:42,319
Play it.
870
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:45,990
They have zones marked out for where
the different decks go.
871
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:49,960
There's a lot of moving parts on
the board, and to help keep track of that,
872
00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:54,298
one thing I noticed, I was watching them
play for the first time,
873
00:43:54,898 --> 00:43:57,768
90 minutes and we've managed two turns.
874
00:43:57,768 --> 00:44:03,207
So definitely, definitely not a
quick starter once we know the rules.
875
00:44:03,207 --> 00:44:05,876
Of course
it started picking up a little bit.
876
00:44:05,876 --> 00:44:10,547
One of the one of the interesting parts
is the format of the cards.
877
00:44:10,547 --> 00:44:12,850
The artwork is absolutely gorgeous.
878
00:44:12,850 --> 00:44:15,219
I think you guys would
agree with me on that. Yeah,
879
00:44:16,387 --> 00:44:19,023
but the font is very
880
00:44:19,023 --> 00:44:22,292
small on the cards
and the backgrounds are very busy.
881
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,763
It makes it a little bit hard
to quick reference cards.
882
00:44:26,063 --> 00:44:29,066
There's also a justification issue.
883
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:32,870
It's center justified,
which means everything lines up
884
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:37,141
against the center line rather than to
the left like we're used to reading.
885
00:44:37,741 --> 00:44:42,146
It kind of throws off
some of the sections.
886
00:44:42,146 --> 00:44:46,016
And as Ray like to point out, there was
a lot of grammatical errors as well.
887
00:44:46,517 --> 00:44:49,486
Yeah. And one of the things that
888
00:44:49,486 --> 00:44:53,223
I was saying earlier, when you're,
when you're referencing a game,
889
00:44:53,557 --> 00:44:57,194
like magic, you better bet that there's
890
00:44:57,194 --> 00:45:02,066
gonna be people, being very particular
about the grammar on the cards,
891
00:45:02,332 --> 00:45:05,069
and how that means something.
892
00:45:05,069 --> 00:45:08,539
Because if you ever dive
into the rules of magic, you'll see.
893
00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:09,306
You'll know what I mean.
894
00:45:11,575 --> 00:45:11,909
Yeah.
895
00:45:11,909 --> 00:45:13,877
We're looking at a 30,000ft view.
896
00:45:13,877 --> 00:45:16,914
So I think the other thing
I was going to say about,
897
00:45:17,114 --> 00:45:20,117
Yeah, like, I love the concept.
898
00:45:20,184 --> 00:45:22,920
I definitely think
it has a lot of potential.
899
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,991
I think one thing that would be
really nice to kind of see is,
900
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:29,259
and maybe, like,
901
00:45:29,259 --> 00:45:32,563
this is just my own thing that I
haven't found, but some backstory, right?
902
00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:35,599
Like, I have, you know, some investment
in the characters and things
903
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,769
like that, would give it some more depth.
904
00:45:39,236 --> 00:45:44,374
And, you know, probably make
the gameplay, I guess, more meaningful.
905
00:45:44,374 --> 00:45:46,577
But again,
that's just my personal opinion.
906
00:45:46,577 --> 00:45:47,911
I think they did mention something
907
00:45:47,911 --> 00:45:50,814
on their website that there was
a background lore and all that.
908
00:45:50,814 --> 00:45:56,553
I just didn't have it in the welcome to
the World of Soul Masters page on the box.
909
00:45:57,054 --> 00:45:57,354
Yeah.
910
00:45:57,354 --> 00:46:00,357
And there is lore on the website,
and it's it's
911
00:46:00,390 --> 00:46:04,328
a game of three warring factions
trying to gain control of the land.
912
00:46:04,862 --> 00:46:07,564
You get commanders
based on the different factions.
913
00:46:07,564 --> 00:46:12,035
They have armies based on the different
factions, the booster packs.
914
00:46:12,035 --> 00:46:13,237
They come out with it
915
00:46:14,371 --> 00:46:15,506
are interesting.
916
00:46:15,506 --> 00:46:18,142
I believe they're 12 cards
per booster pack.
917
00:46:18,142 --> 00:46:21,879
In those 12 cards, you have a variety
from all of the different
918
00:46:22,980 --> 00:46:23,781
armies.
919
00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:26,550
There are mercenary cards
that can be used in any armor.
920
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:29,419
Some army, excuse me,
some things like that.
921
00:46:29,419 --> 00:46:32,089
So we know that the artwork is good.
922
00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:34,858
We know that the learning curve
is not the best.
923
00:46:34,858 --> 00:46:39,229
We have talked a little bit about the fact
that the rules are fairly disjointed
924
00:46:39,229 --> 00:46:43,967
and not necessarily written by somebody
looking at it with fresh eyes
925
00:46:44,401 --> 00:46:47,371
on a zero by ten scale.
926
00:46:47,538 --> 00:46:52,709
What kind of rating
would you give the game just today?
927
00:46:52,709 --> 00:46:54,278
Out of the box?
928
00:46:54,278 --> 00:46:55,813
What would you rate it out?
929
00:46:55,813 --> 00:46:58,081
Yeah. We go, yeah.
930
00:46:58,081 --> 00:47:01,585
Fun level
can of give a couple different numbers.
931
00:47:01,585 --> 00:47:04,454
Fun level I'd say around a seven.
932
00:47:04,454 --> 00:47:06,790
Would I play it again?
933
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:08,692
I'd say it's a 5050.
934
00:47:08,692 --> 00:47:12,596
Or am I where I'm actually gonna buy it
or get more cards
935
00:47:12,596 --> 00:47:15,599
or so like average for that.
936
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:16,667
Yeah.
937
00:47:16,667 --> 00:47:17,301
So like I guess.
938
00:47:17,301 --> 00:47:17,801
Yeah.
939
00:47:17,801 --> 00:47:20,370
Like a five
if you're calling fives effort, you know.
940
00:47:20,370 --> 00:47:20,537
Yeah.
941
00:47:20,537 --> 00:47:23,540
And I was gonna give like round six
and I was going to average.
942
00:47:23,874 --> 00:47:25,876
Yeah. Potential for fun. Right.
943
00:47:25,876 --> 00:47:28,879
And I might even bump up to like eight off
944
00:47:28,946 --> 00:47:31,281
depending on the cards that come out
depending on the cards
945
00:47:31,281 --> 00:47:35,686
and just maybe some other things
that are kind of worked out.
946
00:47:37,421 --> 00:47:40,257
And just five, I'm giving you a five
for the learning curve.
947
00:47:40,257 --> 00:47:44,795
And so yeah, did kind of for me right now
average is to about six.
948
00:47:45,462 --> 00:47:47,598
A lot of good potential.
949
00:47:47,598 --> 00:47:50,934
It's a thing where I feel
there's good bones,
950
00:47:50,934 --> 00:47:53,937
maybe. And.
951
00:47:53,971 --> 00:47:55,405
Yeah, I guess, yeah.
952
00:47:55,405 --> 00:47:59,810
Just to take a 30,000ft view right
out of the box, I would say like 600.
953
00:48:00,210 --> 00:48:00,844
Yeah.
954
00:48:00,844 --> 00:48:03,847
From given the fact that this was
I mean, from what I understand,
955
00:48:03,847 --> 00:48:05,983
a pretty small product from a small group.
956
00:48:05,983 --> 00:48:06,917
It's pretty cool.
957
00:48:06,917 --> 00:48:10,020
I mean, yeah,
I, I've never made the trading card game.
958
00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:14,291
So, so we're looking at production value
pretty far up there.
959
00:48:14,324 --> 00:48:14,491
Yeah.
960
00:48:14,491 --> 00:48:16,493
Oh yeah. Potential for fun.
961
00:48:16,493 --> 00:48:17,895
Looking pretty good.
962
00:48:17,895 --> 00:48:20,898
Yeah. Getting to that point of fun.
963
00:48:20,931 --> 00:48:22,032
Little bit of a slog.
964
00:48:22,032 --> 00:48:24,101
Little bit of a little bit of a challenge.
965
00:48:24,101 --> 00:48:27,671
And trying to find the rules
and the mechanics was was difficult.
966
00:48:28,772 --> 00:48:29,873
Yeah.
967
00:48:29,873 --> 00:48:32,709
Well, thank you very much
for giving me a hand with trying this out.
968
00:48:32,709 --> 00:48:34,912
It was fun watching everybody play again.
969
00:48:34,912 --> 00:48:36,413
This is Ray and Andy with me.
970
00:48:36,413 --> 00:48:39,082
There are some friends of mine
that are far more experienced
971
00:48:39,082 --> 00:48:41,118
trading card games than I am.
972
00:48:41,118 --> 00:48:43,186
So, thank you very much, guys, I like you.
973
00:48:43,186 --> 00:48:46,189
We will talk with you again soon. Awesome.
974
00:48:46,290 --> 00:48:50,160
Join us next week here on User Friendly as
we're going to be talking subscriptions.
975
00:48:50,527 --> 00:48:53,130
You love the fact that everything
requires a subscription.
976
00:48:53,130 --> 00:48:56,900
Now if you do you're one
of the few rare people because most don't.
977
00:48:56,900 --> 00:48:58,702
So we're going to be deep diving in there.
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00:48:58,702 --> 00:48:59,469
And until next week,
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00:48:59,469 --> 00:49:02,472
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00:49:16,653 --> 00:49:20,691
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