How do you know if you're really growing as an artist?
Speaker AYou know, it's not always about selling more work or getting more followers online.
Speaker ASometimes the biggest growth happens in ways nobody else sees, like confidence, technique, or how easily you bounce back from mistakes.
Speaker AIn this episode of Create Art Podcast and our series the New Artist Compass, we're going to be talking about how to measure your creative growth in ways that actually matter.
Speaker AWe'll look at tracking your skills, celebrating the small wins, and redefining success on your own terms.
Speaker ABecause growth isn't just about reaching a finish line.
Speaker AIt's about noticing the progress along the way.
Speaker AHey there.
Speaker AThis is Timothy Keem o', Brien, your head instigator for Create Art Podcast where I bring my over 30 years of experience in the arts and education world to help you tame your inner critic and create more than you consume.
Speaker ASo we're going to be talking this time about measuring your growth as an artist, which I think is very important for a number of reasons.
Speaker AI'm going to share with you 5 reasons to go ahead and do that, to measure that growth.
Speaker AThe first reason is, you know, why does it even matter?
Speaker AWhy should I measure my growth?
Speaker AAnd here's the thing with growth, you know, it can be invisible if you don't pause to look at it.
Speaker AYou can do all this work and not notice.
Speaker AYou know, you, you started drawing stick figures and now you're doing, you know, oil covered portraits or you're selling in galleries, you know, and you started off, you couldn't even give these things away at Christmas time.
Speaker ASo it's really important that you look at that growth that you already have.
Speaker AAnd I'm sure that you already have growth in your practice, whatever it is.
Speaker ASo we need to measure that so that way we can avoid mistakes, we can avoid going down paths that we don't need to go down.
Speaker AAnd here's another thing to think about too, you know, without reflection, you risk feeling stuck even while you're improving.
Speaker AAnd, you know, our inner monologue can really be not the best thing for us.
Speaker AAnd you know, we think, oh, yeah, I'm still doing the same old same old.
Speaker AI'm still writing the same poems, I'm still painting the same pictures, I'm still doing the same dance routines.
Speaker ABut are you, I don't think you are.
Speaker AYou, with practice, have grown as an artist and you need to stop and think and pause and go, I've been doing this for however long now.
Speaker AI always start off my shows with, you know, a, you know, bring my Art and education experience for the past 30 plus years.
Speaker AThat's a long time.
Speaker AThat's.
Speaker AI remember when I first started, it was horrible.
Speaker AWhen I wrote my first poem, it was horrible.
Speaker AI've never showed that to anybody because it was that bad.
Speaker ABut now I've got four books of poetry out there.
Speaker AAnd part of, you know, being an artist is you're looking back and going, man, that's where I came from.
Speaker AThat's what I started from.
Speaker AAnd this is where I'm at right now.
Speaker AAnd being happy with that, being really happy with that.
Speaker AYou know, you deserve a pat on the back.
Speaker AAnd if no one's giving you one, I'll give you a virtual pat on the back.
Speaker ABut take a pause, look what you've done, and maybe it leads you onto your next project.
Speaker AMaybe it leads you onto a brand new project where you comment on the growth that you've had.
Speaker ASo that's why we measure our growth.
Speaker AMy next point is, now we know why we do it.
Speaker ALet's talk about our skill based growth.
Speaker ALet's talk about the actual skills that we're using in order to come to our finished project or product, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker AWhenever I hear somebody call their projects a product, I'm like, it makes me feel squishy.
Speaker AI don't like that.
Speaker ASo what I want you to do is I want you to take a look at your old work.
Speaker ATake a look at that first piece that you've done.
Speaker AOh, my God, you cringe at it.
Speaker AI know I cringe at it.
Speaker AAnd then take a look at what you just created.
Speaker ASo, you know, for me, as a podcaster, I can listen to my first episodes.
Speaker AAnd let me tell you, the first 10 years, and I said years that I was doing podcasting, I can't even listen to those episodes.
Speaker ALuckily, they got lost, you know, in a. I lost them on a.
Speaker AA hard drive someplace, so I can't really listen to those.
Speaker ABut when I rebranded and when I started again back in 2016, I can listen to those episodes.
Speaker AAnd wherever you're listening to this podcast at, you can go back and listen to those episodes if you want.
Speaker ABut go back, compare what you used to do with what you do right now, and instantly you'll see the growth.
Speaker AInstantly.
Speaker AI don't care how long you've been doing your art, you're gonna see some growth.
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker ABecause you're building your skills, you're putting in the reps, you're getting better with it.
Speaker AYou're practicing, practicing, practicing.
Speaker AAnd not just you Know how it looks or how it sounds, but how fast you can do it, the techniques that you were doing, you know, how you solved problems to get over whatever creative barrier yet you are experiencing.
Speaker ASo really think about that.
Speaker ASkill based growth.
Speaker ATake the old, put it right next to the new and compare the two and go, wow.
Speaker AAnd again, that's that virtual pet on the back for you that we all need.
Speaker AWe all need that.
Speaker AAnd if we don't have people that give that to us, then we need to give it to ourselves.
Speaker AOkay, so we've talked about why it matters.
Speaker AWe've talked about skill based growth.
Speaker ANow your personal growth as an artist.
Speaker AYou know, when you take a look back at all your stuff, it's going to give you confidence in sharing or finishing projects because you know, you've been able to do it in the past.
Speaker AYou've been able to see your growth, you've been able to see yourself get better.
Speaker ASo you're going to want to, you're going to be more likely to want to share that with others.
Speaker AAnd you're, you're going to know that, hey, I have finished hard projects before and I'm going to finish this one just like I did last time or the time before that or the time before that.
Speaker ASo it's going to give you that confidence which we all need.
Speaker AThe other thing too, it's going to give you resilience when you face criticism and setbacks.
Speaker AYou know, people are going to criticize your work, but you can always go, man, yeah, you may not like this, but oh gosh, you should have seen what I did 10 years ago.
Speaker AIt was really horrible.
Speaker ABut I've grown as an artist and, you know, maybe that helps you get different jobs, you know, different commissions in your, your artistic discipline.
Speaker AYou never know.
Speaker ABut it's going to help you weather that storm that we all go through when people criticize our work or when we have setbacks, or when we are working on a project and for some reason we're just not able to work through it and finish it off.
Speaker AWe can go back and go, well, I used this method when I did that project five years ago to finish it.
Speaker AMaybe I can try it again.
Speaker ASo it's a great way to help you finish those projects that you're working on right now by looking back in the past and seeing how you did it before.
Speaker ASo now let's look at external versus internal metrics.
Speaker AOkay?
Speaker AWe live in the social media world and everyone's trying to go for likes or sales or followers and that can Be, you know, really motivating, make you feel like, oh, yeah, finally, I've got a thousand followers.
Speaker AI'm doing great.
Speaker ANot one of them are buying anything.
Speaker ABut I've got a thousand followers.
Speaker AIt's not the whole story.
Speaker AIt's not.
Speaker AWe shouldn't, you know, measure ourselves by the external world.
Speaker ARather, let's look at.
Speaker AAre you enjoying that?
Speaker AAre you enjoying what you're making?
Speaker ADo you get some sort of personal satisfaction?
Speaker AHave you taken some risks?
Speaker AYou know, Bob Dylan took a risk when he went electric.
Speaker AAnd we still talk about Bob Dylan today, you know, and he's like, what, 80 years old or something like that, and he's still putting out records, still touring.
Speaker ABut if he didn't take that risk, would we still have talked about him?
Speaker AI. I don't know.
Speaker AYou know, so look more towards that internal metric.
Speaker AAnd, you know, another thing too is let's look at our consistency.
Speaker AAre we creating things all the time or we just, you know, once, twice.
Speaker AI didn't get a thousand likes on that.
Speaker AI'm not going to do that again.
Speaker AWho cares?
Speaker AWho cares?
Speaker AAre those your true fans?
Speaker AYou know, maybe you got a thousand likes and two people bought it.
Speaker AAlthough that's your true fan right there.
Speaker ABut if we just base our satisfaction on what other people think, you're never going to be satisfied because it's never going to be enough.
Speaker ABecause let's say you get that thousand likes.
Speaker AWhy don't I have 10,000 likes?
Speaker AOkay, you get the 10,000 likes.
Speaker AOkay, now I need a hundred thousand likes.
Speaker AOkay, I got a hundred thousand likes.
Speaker AStill haven't sold a piece, but I got a hundred thousand people clicking a little button going, hey, I like that.
Speaker AAnd they're moving on with their day, and there's no discussion afterwards.
Speaker AIt's just like, hey, you like it?
Speaker AGreat.
Speaker ABye.
Speaker AThat's kind of hollow in the way I look at things, you know?
Speaker ADo I look at download numbers?
Speaker AAbsolutely, I do.
Speaker ABut do I obsess over them?
Speaker ANo, not really.
Speaker AYou know, I like hitting milestones.
Speaker ABut, you know, I have this on YouTube.
Speaker ADo I get, you know, views off of that?
Speaker ASure, I do, but I don't obsess over it, I don't think.
Speaker AYou know, every night when I go to bed, how can I get more people to view my YouTube channel?
Speaker AOr how.
Speaker AHow can I get more people to listen to this podcast?
Speaker AI'm just putting out what I feel is relevant to you, and that's why you keep on coming back.
Speaker AAnd I thank you for that.
Speaker AI'm Happy about that.
Speaker ABut if I didn't enjoy doing it, I probably wouldn't do a podcast or I probably wouldn't do a video, but I really enjoy doing.
Speaker AGives me a lot of satisfaction, and that's why I do it now.
Speaker AHey, if you want to, you know, hand me a thousand dollars, not a problem.
Speaker AI'll give you my bank account number and let's go to town.
Speaker ABut I do it for you.
Speaker AI do this for you because I feel like I'm doing you a service.
Speaker ABut I also do it for me because it feeds my soul.
Speaker AAnd with podcasting, I get to, you know, use my artistry with the audio production of it, with creating the graphics for it, with creating the ideas for what I talk about.
Speaker AThat's my satisfaction right there.
Speaker AIf I get money from it, great.
Speaker AI have a day job.
Speaker AI, you know, and it pays me.
Speaker ABut the reason I do this, because I don't have to do this.
Speaker AI could stop this tomorrow and never do it again.
Speaker ABut I enjoy it.
Speaker AI enjoy the connection that I have with you, and I hope you enjoy the connection you have with me.
Speaker ALast point I want to talk to you about is practical tools for tracking your growth.
Speaker AHowever you track it is fine.
Speaker AWhatever is going to work for you, that's fine.
Speaker AThe best thing is the tracking method that you will actually use.
Speaker AOkay?
Speaker AI can give you a million different ways to track it.
Speaker AHell, I can sell you a program for 1995 per month.
Speaker ABut if you don't use it, then you're just wasting your time and your money.
Speaker ASo I recommend, you know, keeping a progress portfolio or a sketchbook timeline.
Speaker AHey, I, you know, I started this project here, and I ended it here, and I put it out into the world on this date.
Speaker ASimple.
Speaker AJust do that.
Speaker AYou can journal about that project.
Speaker AYou know, you can keep a daily journal or a weekly journal from it for each of the projects that you do.
Speaker AAnd that way, when people say, hey, you know, that, that painting, what's the story behind that painting?
Speaker AYou can refer back to that and go, well, I. I made that painting back in 99.
Speaker AI was going through a really bad breakup.
Speaker AAnd these are things that are.
Speaker AThat I was feeling at that time.
Speaker AThat was my worldview at that time.
Speaker AIt's obviously changed since 1999, but that's what I was doing at that time.
Speaker AAnd it gives a story behind the project.
Speaker AWhy do you think?
Speaker ABack in the day, when we did DVDs and VHS, they had, like, they would do a movie, and then they would do, like, a little Mini documentary of the movie.
Speaker APeople love those special editions, those add ons to it.
Speaker APeople love to know, you know, how did they do this?
Speaker AOr what was the idea behind it.
Speaker AI know, I love that kind of stuff.
Speaker ASo do that for you.
Speaker ASo that way you can track it and you know, find better techniques.
Speaker AYou know, increase your speed, increase the success that you want to have that you define.
Speaker ABut also do it for your audience so that way they can get a peek into your.
Speaker AYour madness.
Speaker AAs I like to say, you don't have to, you know, do all this right now.
Speaker AJust set a small goal, something measurable.
Speaker AYou know, maybe it's finishing a piece a week or maybe it's learning a new technique.
Speaker ADo that and you're going to really see that growth in yourself as an artist.
Speaker AAnd that's going to bring you a lot of satisfaction, which is going to make you want to make more art, which is going to bring you some more satisfaction.
Speaker AAnd especially those times when you hear crickets, your crickets out there, when no one's commenting on your work, when no one's discussing your work and you think nobody cares, you can go back to that and go, yeah, well, you know, I was kind of feeling that at this time or that time.
Speaker ABut look at the growth that I've done.
Speaker ALook where I started.
Speaker ALook where I'm at today and look where I'm going to be tomorrow.
Speaker AGive it a shot for yourself.
Speaker AIt's not going to hurt.
Speaker AAll right.
Speaker AThat's all I got for you this week.
Speaker AThank you so much for listening in on this.
Speaker AI really appreciate you and I can't wait to see what you're going to come up with in terms of measuring your gross, feel free to let me know what method you use.
Speaker AYou can email me, Timothy createartpodcast.com and if you'd like to, you know, leave me some critique on the show, that's the best way to go about doing it.
Speaker AReally appreciate those of you that have emailed me in the past and would love to have you, you know, contact me and let's start up that discussion.
Speaker AIf you'd like to be on the show, same method.
Speaker ATimothyartpodcast.com is the best way to get a hold of me.
Speaker AShare this with a friend.
Speaker AShare this with your friend.
Speaker AThat's the artist.
Speaker AYou're the artist.
Speaker AI know you are.
Speaker ABut, you know, if you have a friend that is really discouraged or down or something like that, share this with them and say, hey, have you been measuring your growth?
Speaker AAnd if they say, I'm not having any growth.
Speaker AReally?
Speaker AAre they not having growth or are they just ignoring it and just, you know, doing their projects and going willy nilly all over the place?
Speaker ASo share it with a friend.
Speaker ASpeaking about sharing podcasts with friends, I run another show and it's called Find a Podcast About.
Speaker AYou can find that at Find a Podcast about xyz.
Speaker AThat's where I review podcasts to help you find your next binge worthy podcast and outsmart the algorithm.
Speaker AKeep it a look.
Speaker ASee, last thing I wanted to share with you is I do run a business.
Speaker AI started it here in 2025 at the beginning of 2025.
Speaker AIt's called TKB Podcast Studio.
Speaker AYou can find it at tkbpodcaststudio.com and that's where I help my clients lead through the noise with quiet professionalism.
Speaker AI help people set up their own podcasts.
Speaker AI produce, I edit, I consult.
Speaker ACheck it out, you'll see my portfolio there of the other podcasts that I work on.
Speaker AAgain, I love doing podcasts.
Speaker AMaybe we can work together and do something for you.
Speaker AAll right, that's it.
Speaker AThat's all I got for you today.
Speaker AThank you for spending time with me and want you to go out there, tame your inner critic.
Speaker ACreate more than you consume.
Speaker ATake a long look at what you have done.
Speaker AI'm giving you a virtual pat on the back.
Speaker AGo out there, make some art for somebody you love.
Speaker AYourself.
Speaker AI'll talk with you next time.
Speaker AIt.