Speaker A

Well, all right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back.

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It is the Lost Treasures podcast.

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We are recording it in my office live.

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I'm John Scheel.

Speaker B

I'm Adam Means.

Speaker A

And we are back with a December update on all sorts of stuff that's going on in the world of archaeology and lost Treasures.

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Want to thank everybody who is watching live on the TikTok.

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We've got two different TikTok streams going today, and so if you're following along on TikTok, we appreciate you.

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Just a shout out to the live folks, but since this is a produced podcast, you are all part of behind the scenes.

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And those folks that are listening to us on the stream, streaming services and everywhere where you get your podcasts are hearing this.

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Probably a few days from now, we're gonna do it.

Speaker B

Probably like five days.

Speaker B

Four or five days you try to do on Sundays, you know.

Speaker A

Yeah.

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So, well, and speaking of Sundays, Sunday, December 8th, we are very, very pleased to hear that Notre Dame Cathedral is reopening.

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We're a big fan of the Lost Treasures and the Ancient world and the semi ancient world and the.

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The.

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The history of the world.

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So we're very, very happy about this reopening of Notre Dame Cathedral.

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It's obviously going to be hitting the airwaves on 60 Minutes and.

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And all sorts of folks have gone through and done a preview, but it's going to be open to the public on December 8th.

Speaker B

Yep.

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And why don't you tell them what happened, John?

Speaker A

Well, we want to.

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We want to just give a quick overview for those of you Americans that may not have remembered or may not be thinking about it.

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Notre Dame is in Paris.

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It is a beautiful cathedral.

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I've been there myself.

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And a couple years ago, unfortunately, there was a horrific fire that just completely gutted the place.

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Decimated and really difficult rebuild.

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But using a lot of techniques, they were able to put scaffolding up and they unfortunately had to dig into the foundation in order to set up the scaffolding.

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But in doing so, what we like and what we're talking about here is that experts found as many as 10, 35 artwork fragments, as well as a hundred graves.

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And that increases the total record of graves in the site to over 500 burials.

Speaker B

Unreal.

Speaker A

Yeah.

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Now, many of the coffins, along with scattered bones, remain unidentified, but there was that one, the one that was in lead.

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I don't know if you remember this during the pandemic years where everyone was like, put it back, put it back.

Speaker B

I do remember that, actually.

Speaker A

That's funny, don't open it.

Speaker A

So, yeah, it turns out it may have been the poet Joaquin Du Belay who is one of the more notable folks who was buried in the cathedral.

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But there were life size heads and torsos of limestone statues, including one of one of Christ himself were unearthed.

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A 13 century wood screen that previously separated the choir and sanctuary was a significant architectural find.

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And they basically, you know, gutted the place and had to clean every single square foot of it and carpenters used 100 year old oak trees to try to put it all back together.

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I mean obviously this is a cathedral constructed in the 1160s.

Speaker B

Yeah.

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Super old.

Speaker A

Yeah.

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But the, the fact is we've got all of these interesting finds that are coming to light due to the excavation, but all of that stuff is going to be on display.

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Well, so teams from the Institute, the National Institute of Archeological Research and Preservation or Preventative Archaeological Research, were given five weeks to dig under the stone floor.

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And they dug a shallow 16 inch trench beneath the floor, about the same depth as the scaffolding.

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And the remains turned out to be much richer than, than they previously expected.

Speaker B

So nuts.

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There's just so much stuff about this coming out you're going to see in National Geographic.

Speaker B

They'll have it all over mainstream news too, you know.

Speaker A

Yeah.

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And it's already kind of been all over the mainstream news a little bit.

Speaker A

Yeah, it's definitely going to be, but.

Speaker B

They took some time.

Speaker B

The inside is like amazing to look at.

Speaker A

Yeah.

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And if you even just peruse some of the National Geographic photos, you're seeing just really detailed.

Speaker A

What are these porcelain sculptures of faces.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker A

Lots of different architectural pieces from previous versions of the, the chapel.

Speaker B

Right.

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13Th century limestone screen that separated the different parts of the, the cathedral.

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And just a whole lot of stuff buried under the stone floor.

Speaker B

Of course they got to keep going into the ground, John.

Speaker A

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker B

Sounds like they're looking up, you know, finding stuff in Cincinnati where you start just digging and finding burials and then all this other stuff.

Speaker A

You know, it seems like, you know, some of this, this stuff basically like the, the screen stood for nearly 500 years, but then eventually, because of the way that the mass changed and the way that the king wanted a more open choir area and he wanted larger statues of himself.

Speaker A

This was King Louis XIV and he wanted statues of his father, Louis XIII.

Speaker A

He dismantled the screen in the early 1700s and then they just.

Speaker B

Yep, yeah, sounds about right.

Speaker A

But what's interesting is if it weren't for the fire, the archaeological team would not have gotten a chance to dig up all this.

Speaker B

Exactly right.

Speaker B

So isn't that crazy how that happens?

Speaker A

Yeah, it's pretty wild.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

Now, again, this is reopening the week that we are recording this.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

So we are literally hours.

Speaker B

Two days before.

Speaker B

Two days before.

Speaker B

Or is it.

Speaker B

No, it's a day before.

Speaker B

Yeah, day before.

Speaker A

And they're six hours ahead of us.

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So, you know, that's crazy.

Speaker A

Yeah, it's.

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It's coming.

Speaker B

That's pretty cool.

Speaker A

Really cool stuff, though.

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We are really focused on all of this ancient stuff.

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And I'm just going to say this to our Tick Tock followers.

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We really appreciate each one of you being here.

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If you want to check out the podcast and all of the various things that we talk about here, jump on Lost Treasures on anywhere on where you get your podcasts.

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And then if you want us to investigate or talk about any particular topic, we always like to mention this at the top of the show, but Lost Treasures am and you too can send us information.

Speaker A

Now, as you might know, this podcast got started with Adam Means doing some investigation during the pandemic.

Speaker A

Again, this fire happened during the pandemic and your investigations started during the pandemic.

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And so we've hit a little bit of a roadblock.

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We'll just briefly mention.

Speaker B

Briefly mention.

Speaker B

John, we can.

Speaker B

And not because we don't want to talk about it.

Speaker B

Because I've waited for like almost two and a half years to tell this story.

Speaker B

I just can't tell it just yet.

Speaker A

So.

Speaker A

So lots of legal restrictions to what's going on with Adam's hunt for lost treasure in the greater Cincinnati area in a 186 acre park.

Speaker B

And I always ask John before I want to talk about stuff on my podcast.

Speaker B

So John said no.

Speaker B

So I'm going no today.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

Since you all on my live can see the degrees are on the wall.

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That.

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That is something that I do.

Speaker B

Those are real.

Speaker B

Those are real degrees.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

I don't just play a lawyer on tv.

Speaker A

However, we do want to mention that there's been quite a lot of discoveries from metal detecting.

Speaker A

And part of it, part of Adam's journey has been through metal detecting.

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And so we were talking and we talk about this a lot in.

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In the United States, being such a young country, comparatively, you know, what are the oldest things that you can find with a metal detector?

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And it turns out that just recently there was in Kansas, a apparently legendary metal detector, Jack York.

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Jack York from Johnson County, Kansas.

Speaker B

Shout out to Jack if he ever wants to hit us up.

Speaker B

Probably got plenty of time to talk to him.

Speaker B

So.

Speaker A

So this is a relatively old story.

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It's a 2009 story.

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However, it just highlights the fact that there a lot of treasure out there and that this legendary metal detectorist found a coin that apparently was found in the United States by jack and it's.

Speaker B

2400 years old, minted in 405 BC.

Speaker B

That's impressive.

Speaker A

That is.

Speaker A

That's amazing.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

So super old.

Speaker A

I'm going to bring up a little bit of detail on that and let's talk about this.

Speaker A

So if you're a metal detectorist now, obviously, you know, we've gone back and forth with, with metal detector companies and different types of metal detectors and obviously Jack, being a legendary metal detectorist, has some stuff that the average Joe metal detectorist is probably not going to find.

Speaker A

But truthfully, you don't need the most expensive metal detector in the world in order to find some of this.

Speaker B

Nope.

Speaker A

So you too can go out and adventure in metal detecting.

Speaker A

Want to mention, just because we do this, you know, there are certain areas of the country and certain places like municipal parks where you cannot metal detect without a permit.

Speaker A

So we just throw that caution out there to everyone.

Speaker A

If you are metal detecting, you want to make sure that you're doing it on your own land or you have permission.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker A

And whether that's from the private landowner or from the municipality through a permitting process, you got to do it.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker B

Mine was a little weird just with mine's little 1% different.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

I'm not the permits and all that.

Speaker B

That was a time thing.

Speaker B

And so don't.

Speaker B

My best advice, start on your own land.

Speaker B

Start in or go to a neighbor where you can ask permission and get something low grade just to start out with and then work your way up.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

Cause we're dealing with now we're at a different level.

Speaker B

I'm getting to use like $5,000 and $10,000 metal detectors at the park now through other people, not of my own.

Speaker B

But that's the attraction and the attention that's starting to slowly come.

Speaker A

Yeah, well, and certainly that we're going to be talking to some metal detector companies so that we can show you on our lives and on our video version of the podcast some of the stuff that's out there that you can get.

Speaker A

But you know, going to Harbor Freight, you can get something that is very basic.

Speaker A

Very basic, but it works.

Speaker A

It works, it works.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

I mean they're all, they're all somewhat based off the same technology, right?

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

But then you just have, it's just like Having a, a low end car and a high end car, like it's just going to have different bells and whistles.

Speaker B

So.

Speaker B

Yeah, I mean hopefully at some point as we talk through like sponsorships and stuff, then we'll be able to get really, you know, talk about the details of some of these things.

Speaker B

But yeah, anybody can do it.

Speaker B

I mean there's.

Speaker B

Kids can do it all the way up to whatever age.

Speaker B

I mean it doesn't really matter.

Speaker B

Just make sure you're following the rules.

Speaker B

That's if we're gonna tell you anything like follow the laws.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

It would just be a pain.

Speaker A

And because we have listeners all over the world.

Speaker B

100.

Speaker A

We just reiterate this because there was that gentleman, we talked about him earlier on and last season where.

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Yeah, he was in Australia and got himself into a world of hurt, stupid metal detecting where he shouldn't have and didn't have the permission and could potentially face some prison time.

Speaker A

So there are serious implications finding some of these things.

Speaker A

Obviously there are laws about things that are, that are ancient, that are cultural patrimony, that are heritage things that need to be put in museums.

Speaker A

And you know, by disturbing the context of the sediments, you could actually be damaging the information that archaeologists could be learning from.

Speaker B

True.

Speaker A

Like for example, when we went out to the Clough pike, the Turpin farms on Clough, there were archaeologists from Ohio State University that were there and they were talking about finding the fires of this ancient village.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

And determining that based on the cooked corn that were found in these fires, that it may be the first place in the United States where corn cultivation for agricultural purposes.

Speaker A

Not just random, you know, and because.

Speaker B

Of it was all because of the carbon dating, you know, they were able to carbon date.

Speaker B

And so that right there was like, I mean that in itself is extremely fragile.

Speaker B

And then we got to see that, you know, what was that old jawbone of a deer and that was like four feet in the ground.

Speaker B

I thought that was really cool.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

Amazing.

Speaker A

Along with that little metal.

Speaker B

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker A

And they said that was over a thousand years old.

Speaker B

It's nuts.

Speaker A

Unbelievable.

Speaker B

I know.

Speaker B

Right off Little Miami river too.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

Now there's lots of treasure that's out there.

Speaker A

We want to mention because we, we often like to talk about coins.

Speaker A

Right.

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So the oldest co coin in the United States found by this Jack York.

Speaker A

But coinage, the first coin ever minted in the United States is considered the Franklin scent or the Fujio scent.

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It was designed by Ben Franklin, minted in 1787 and only 400, 000 of them were minted super rare then.

Speaker A

Now, that would be a dream come true for any metal detectorist.

Speaker A

Obviously, metal detecting and numismatics go hand in hand.

Speaker A

So numismatics, the study of these ancient coins.

Speaker A

And if you're doing this in Europe, you're going to find things that are super old that might be from the Roman Empire.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker A

But in the United States, not as much.

Speaker B

No.

Speaker A

I mean, if it's older than 1787, then you know that someone had to bring it here from another place.

Speaker A

Right, right.

Speaker A

Because that the Franklin scent was the oldest one in the United States.

Speaker A

Now, it's pretty incredible that this Roman, Roman coin from 405 BC was found.

Speaker A

Jack York, it's, it's incredible that he went out and he's a legend, man.

Speaker B

He's a legend.

Speaker A

Now what he did was he found this coin in what was a Civil War camp.

Speaker A

And the story of how he found it is interesting, but the story of how it got there, I don't think anybody will ever truly know.

Speaker B

We're not going to figure that out.

Speaker A

Yeah, but incredible.

Speaker A

And it must have been carried by someone who was in that camp.

Speaker A

So a Civil War soldier carrying the store, carrying this, maybe for good luck, we don't know.

Speaker A

But an impression in the ground that soldiers were using as a water source, and it wasn't near a conventional source, so it was overlooked by people for decades when they were trying to locate it.

Speaker A

But they had already found thousands of Civil War bullets, belt plates, coins, some dating to pre Civil War era.

Speaker A

But then they were searching next to a well and they, they moved down the way a little bit to another depression.

Speaker A

And Jack was looking and heard a very faint signal.

Speaker A

And after digging about a foot down, he pulled out an object that looked like a coin.

Speaker B

Went down a foot?

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

Large, but that was fun.

Speaker A

Larger than a half dollar, but smaller than a silver dollar.

Speaker A

And when he looked at it, he just, he felt like it had probably been in the ground about 170 years, knew it wasn't dropped by a Roman soldier.

Speaker A

And the only thing they knew of that was there at that time were Civil War soldiers.

Speaker A

But somehow a soldier or an officer carried this to ward off bad luck.

Speaker B

And that's unreal.

Speaker A

Unfortunately, bad luck befell them because it fell out.

Speaker A

But look at the detail.

Speaker A

If you look, if you, if you search on high plains prospectors.com, you're going to see images of this coin.

Speaker B

It's pretty impressive.

Speaker A

And the.

Speaker B

Oh, yeah.

Speaker B

Bigger than a quarter.

Speaker A

It's bigger than A quarter and very detailed.

Speaker A

It's got the side profile almost like a half dollar.

Speaker B

John.

Speaker A

Yeah, half profile of looks like a Roman emperor.

Speaker A

And on the back side, the horse emperor.

Speaker B

Oh, that's cool.

Speaker A

Four horse chariot.

Speaker B

Yeah, so cool.

Speaker B

That was one of the like the most unique ones that I've seen in a while.

Speaker B

And so that's why.

Speaker B

Yeah, definitely want to talk about something like that.

Speaker A

Oh, incredible.

Speaker A

I mean really just incredible.

Speaker A

And even though this was found in 2009, people are writing about it today.

Speaker A

So it's, it's, it's all just, you know, people are curious as to what is the oldest stuff that's found in the United States.

Speaker A

Well, that was found.

Speaker B

Now that is old.

Speaker A

This is a question for our audience.

Speaker A

So if this person found this coin, right.

Speaker A

Do you think there's more?

Speaker B

Oh, yeah.

Speaker A

I mean there could be.

Speaker B

Remember the Kentucky stuff?

Speaker A

So if they're looking in Kansas.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

During the Civil War.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker B

There's more.

Speaker A

There's already 100 plus years of history on the east coast, right?

Speaker B

Oh yeah.

Speaker A

So this coin traveled inland and then was dropped during a period of war.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

But there could be more.

Speaker B

Definitely could be.

Speaker B

I just typically.

Speaker B

Is there?

Speaker B

Oh, I mean that is a very rare case though, just based on the age.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

So I'm not saying that.

Speaker B

Good chance.

Speaker B

There's probably more, man.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

Now let's talk a little bit about, about metal detectors.

Speaker A

We, we talked a little bit before that.

Speaker A

You could go to the Home Depot, but.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker A

But you sent me some stuff about really, you know, because we've talked waterproof metal detectors and ones that have all.

Speaker B

The bells and whistles, the nocta.

Speaker B

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B

Now sweet.

Speaker A

If you, if you were really serious, do you think you'd be buying an intelligent multi frequency detector with 3D?

Speaker B

That would probably be like the level that I'd go to.

Speaker B

I don't know if I go beyond that.

Speaker B

I told you about that one from Germany.

Speaker B

That's like 10 gr.

Speaker B

I mean again, you're, you're paying for depth, you're paying for ability to change frequencies.

Speaker B

So all these like little things are what you're paying for.

Speaker B

I don't know if I go beyond that 5k mark, you know, and I think you can get a really good, I mean Minelab makes some like killer metal detectors and nails are like 1200-2.

Speaker B

So you don't.

Speaker B

Do you have to go to that level?

Speaker B

If I was going to go to that level, John, to be honest with you, I'd turn that into a business in itself, like Going out and detecting in people's houses and you know, somebody pays you to come out and you either figure out a prospecting agreement with them and then do that.

Speaker B

But I would try to get a better return on buying something that expensive would be my, my business side, you know.

Speaker A

Yeah, I think finding lost wedding rings and gardens and things like that.

Speaker B

Yeah, we could.

Speaker B

I mean, having something that powerful, like how deep do you want to go though?

Speaker B

You know, do you want to go down 16ft in the ground?

Speaker B

Do you need that necessarily?

Speaker B

Probably not, no.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker B

So, you know, I tried.

Speaker B

I would think of that as like a commercial.

Speaker B

That'd be like a commercial metal detector.

Speaker B

Me.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

For myself personally, I'm probably not going over like a thousand, but business wise, I probably go to like five.

Speaker B

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A

That'd be an interesting side hustle for some of you out there.

Speaker B

I think we might break that out into what we're doing around here because I have a couple people that are interested.

Speaker B

I actually talked to a guy that's got one of those Nokta, my buddy Randy Nokta inveno metal detectors.

Speaker B

And so that'd be something that like, I think the business can evolve just like, you know, the ability to meet people and the ability to try to find different things.

Speaker B

And so that's what I would do.

Speaker B

I would just, you know, I'd figure it out.

Speaker B

Me and you would obviously talk about working up an agreement with somebody.

Speaker B

But, you know, part of this is I think you just keep expanding if it's something that you really, you know, love to do, so.

Speaker B

And I enjoy it.

Speaker B

I just don't like doing it when it's 20 degrees outside.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

And we want to say that as things warm up now, we're months away from that, but we do want to start talking about it now so we can plant the seeds with some of our listeners.

Speaker A

Because there are some amazing archeological things here in the state of Ohio that we can get to.

Speaker A

Adam spends a lot of his time in Columbus.

Speaker A

I'm Cincinnati based.

Speaker A

And so we're looking at Ohio based road trips where we can all get together.

Speaker A

And those of you out there listening, if you want to join us, we want to invite you to join us.

Speaker A

Now.

Speaker A

There's some areas around for ancient there, so we want to extend an invite to folks.

Speaker A

And if you want to get in touch and say, hey, let's go check out this location.

Speaker A

Send us a note.

Speaker B

Treasures am edgy man.

Speaker A

Now, metal detecting is not the only way things get found.

Speaker B

No.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

Obviously, climate change is a Big thing.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

And we are seeing some very interesting things happening where the permafrost is melting and where, you know, we talked about some ancient, ancient animal remains found.

Speaker A

But we're talking today, just recently, there were some finds in November.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

That were found in the Swiss Alps.

Speaker A

And these are recent news stories.

Speaker A

We like to pull up and talk about the latest in archaeology and finding artifacts.

Speaker A

And in a high altitude pass that connects Switzerland with Italy, there was a bamboo cart kind of resembling a two wheeled wagon.

Speaker A

Oh, hold please.

Speaker B

Is that right outside?

Speaker A

That is.

Speaker A

We're going to pause real quick, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker B

Of course, it just goes off.

Speaker A

We may, for the purposes of our editing on the podcast, we may edit that, that out.

Speaker A

But those of you who are hearing it live on TikTok, there literally was a car alarm just going off right outside our window.

Speaker A

So anyway, all right, getting back to it.

Speaker A

The climate change find, that, that is because the ice has exposed relics and artifacts that were previously buried under snow and ice in between Switzerland and Italy in the Alps, we have seen a number of different things found.

Speaker A

But what we are talking about now is where is it?

Speaker A

Let's pull it up.

Speaker B

I think you just had.

Speaker B

Was the cart, right?

Speaker B

Is that what you're talking about, John?

Speaker A

Yeah, the cart.

Speaker A

The bamboo cart discovery in the Swiss Alps.

Speaker A

So hikers were hiking along this pass and because of the melting glacier, there was a bamboo contraption consisting of two large wheels and poles tied together with cords.

Speaker A

Now experts have dated it to the maybe 17 or 1800s.

Speaker B

Wow.

Speaker A

But it adds a layer of mystery because it clearly arrived in Europe in the 1700s or maybe maybe late 1700s, early 1800s.

Speaker A

But they didn't really use bamboo for these types of carts in that, that time.

Speaker A

So they're thinking that it may have come from the east, but they're not exactly sure.

Speaker A

And so the origins definitely remain unclear.

Speaker A

This is a mystery that has just been ex.

Speaker A

Excavated.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

November 2nd or something of this year.

Speaker B

Yep.

Speaker A

So they're wondering if it was a sled for transporting goods.

Speaker A

But the fact that this, this pass has a rich history of travel, of folks dating back to ancient times.

Speaker A

They're not sure exactly how it was.

Speaker B

A trade route, possibly a trade route that makes some sense.

Speaker B

But it's, it's super cool to see the things that are just like starting to be found underneath the ice.

Speaker B

Not that I'm a huge fan of any sort of climate stuff at all, but at the same time, I want to see what's under that.

Speaker B

Yeah, I want to know what's under the ice.

Speaker A

Well, clearly the.

Speaker A

The change is exposing things that were hidden, and that's how lost treasures are found.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker A

So that's.

Speaker A

That's really very interesting.

Speaker A

I'm gonna try and back up and show this with some images, see if they have any images here.

Speaker B

Oh, yeah, yeah, Yep, I remember that.

Speaker B

I mean, that's sweet.

Speaker A

To be honest, the.

Speaker A

The whole thing looks of ancient origin.

Speaker B

Oh, it totally looks old.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

Even though they're saying it could be.

Speaker B

Broken into pieces and it's still.

Speaker B

It still looks super old.

Speaker B

It looks super old.

Speaker A

I mean, it looks more.

Speaker B

It looks older than 1700s, personally.

Speaker B

But I don't know, you know.

Speaker B

Yeah, I'd have to have something to compare it to, picture wise.

Speaker A

Can you imagine, though, hiking through and you see this?

Speaker B

Nope.

Speaker A

I mean.

Speaker B

I mean, just look at that wheel.

Speaker B

It's crazy looking.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

Right?

Speaker A

I mean, it.

Speaker A

It's obviously handmade.

Speaker B

1,000%.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

And if you think this was buried in snow and ice for 100, 200 years, 300, you know, whatever.

Speaker A

Two plus years.

Speaker B

Yes.

Speaker A

That's.

Speaker B

It's amazing.

Speaker B

It's still intact and, you know, it's in pieces somewhat, but it's kind of intact.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

I mean, it's clearly recognizable and all the pieces are right there.

Speaker A

Oh, yeah.

Speaker A

But to imagine that this has been buried for that long, it's crazy.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

Unbelievable.

Speaker A

Well, so much new stuff just coming out.

Speaker A

Coming to light.

Speaker B

China.

Speaker B

Go to the china coins.

Speaker A

Oh, yes.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker B

I'm super excited about this one.

Speaker A

So we're talking about the.

Speaker B

Oh, we got to talk about that, too.

Speaker B

That valuable stone.

Speaker A

You know, there's.

Speaker A

There's a whole bunch of stuff brought to light.

Speaker A

Digging.

Speaker A

Digging a.

Speaker A

For a grave, for a funeral.

Speaker A

Yeah, but we're talking about the.

Speaker A

You want to talk about the coins, right?

Speaker B

Oh, yeah.

Speaker B

The ceramic ones in Japan, was it.

Speaker B

That was it.

Speaker B

Yep.

Speaker B

There it is.

Speaker B

All right, so this is.

Speaker B

John knows that I like the coin stuff, and the reason I like the coin stuff is because I think a good majority of the value of coins is like, they're small but very, very valuable.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

So you're not taking up like a whole room of something.

Speaker B

You're just little tiny coin could be worth millions.

Speaker B

Well, this is one of the most unique ones that I had seen recently.

Speaker B

So what was it, say 500,000 Maboroshi ceramic coins were found.

Speaker B

It looks like they were having metal shortages due to World War II.

Speaker B

Were discovered in a warehouse at the site of a former manufacturer in the city of Kyoto.

Speaker B

These long lost relics were circulated Briefly and were thought to have been destroyed after the war.

Speaker A

Wow.

Speaker B

The coins were discovered stashed in 15 wooden boxes.

Speaker B

The former Shofu industry corporation, which had crafted them during the war.

Speaker B

I thought that was cool.

Speaker B

It just looked super unique because they were like that red.

Speaker B

Like that red color.

Speaker B

Just made them stick out a lot.

Speaker B

According to the Japan Mint, there's a shortage of metal used to make the coins during World War II because the material was used to create munitions as a replacement.

Speaker B

A total of about 15 million ceramic coins were produced in the city of Kyoto in the town of Areda in Saga Prefecture where the pottery industry was flourishing.

Speaker B

However, at the with the end of the war, the coins were crushed and discarded without ever being circulated and called phantom coins.

Speaker B

That's super cool.

Speaker A

But these were found in a box that was never crushed.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

And yes.

Speaker B

And super unique looking.

Speaker B

Look at that.

Speaker B

That's awesome.

Speaker A

Yes.

Speaker A

They said that a discovery of such a large amount of coins is extremely rare.

Speaker A

Fifteen wooden boxes were found along with ceramic tea sets and plates made for export.

Speaker A

This was in a factory that made ceramic teeth.

Speaker B

That's awesome.

Speaker A

In Kyoto.

Speaker B

That's awesome.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

Unbelievable stuff.

Speaker A

The mint.

Speaker A

There were only three factories that were allowed to be office of the mint and the mint owned the coins which were just given back to them.

Speaker A

But the parent.

Speaker A

Parent.

Speaker A

Let's see.

Speaker A

No, the, the head of the Japan Mint is saying that they're going to put them on display, but because they are of great historical value.

Speaker A

So it sheds a light on little known known period of Japan's coin making history.

Speaker A

And that, my friends, is what numismatics is all.

Speaker B

There it is right there.

Speaker B

That's awesome.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

Ceramic coins.

Speaker B

I'd never heard of it before.

Speaker B

And I was like, oh, I gotta send this to John now.

Speaker A

While we're on the topic of coins, this is November 12th.

Speaker A

A new story came out where an unexpected discovery in Turkey.

Speaker A

Villages were preparing a burial site and they unearthed an ancient ceramic jar containing over 1100 ancient silver coins.

Speaker B

Nice.

Speaker A

And since this is so new, we don't even really have the type or the, the government that made them.

Speaker A

But it looks like there were museum officials that sifted through the soil.

Speaker A

When they found them.

Speaker A

It was a, a coin, A single coin was found.

Speaker A

And then a whole ceramic jar of course was found.

Speaker B

Isn't that how it works?

Speaker A

Right, yeah.

Speaker B

So you find one, then you'll find a bunch more.

Speaker A

But this is, is, you know, interesting because here they were just trying to prepare a burial ground.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

And in the dig they found this historical stuff.

Speaker A

Now, in the United States, as we've talked with Greg Hand and Cincinnati Curiosities, lots of burials have gotten covered over by buildings.

Speaker A

But here they were, you know, preparing fresh ground for a burial.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker A

And find this ancient, ancient stuff.

Speaker B

1100 of those coins too.

Speaker B

That's impressive.

Speaker A

Now this is coming from the Greek reporter that has a ton of stories about ancient stuff.

Speaker B

I hadn't seen any updates on that story either because I usually.

Speaker B

If I see something, I usually just shoot you the update.

Speaker B

But I haven't seen anything since then.

Speaker B

I'll have to check into that.

Speaker A

Yeah, it's really interesting because we don't know who made the coins.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker A

All we know is that they were preparing a burial site and that there were.

Speaker A

There were coins and looking around trying to find more.

Speaker A

But then they ended up going on and burying the person who they were going to bury.

Speaker A

They went on with their life.

Speaker B

There you go.

Speaker A

With the safe.

Speaker A

With the artifact safely removed, the burial for this person continued as planned.

Speaker A

And the villagers returned to their routines.

Speaker A

Now a part of a discovery that will mark local history.

Speaker B

That's pretty cool.

Speaker B

That's really cool.

Speaker B

That's awesome.

Speaker A

Yeah, unbelievable.

Speaker A

So all sorts of magical things out there, right?

Speaker A

Ancient stuff that's being found.

Speaker A

And we want to include all of you in the finding of new stuff, but we've got to mention this one because I thought this was.

Speaker B

Yeah, this is awesome.

Speaker A

So an elderly woman in Romania had and used as a doorstop for quite some time, one of the largest known amber nuggets worldwide.

Speaker A

Ever, ever known.

Speaker B

Tell her the story about the thieves like these guys try to break into her house.

Speaker A

Well, so she had a 7.7 pound stone that she used as a doorstop for more than 10 years without even being conscious of the value.

Speaker A

And not even thieves who broke into her home looking for jewels knew what they were looking at.

Speaker A

So it was literally tripped over.

Speaker A

And it wasn't until after.

Speaker A

After when I guess she passed away and someone took over the.

Speaker A

The home.

Speaker A

Trying to read through the story here, but someone ended up getting a value on it because they thought, hey, that doesn't look like.

Speaker B

Sticks out.

Speaker B

Yeah, it's not.

Speaker B

Yeah, it's not right.

Speaker A

I think that is hilarious.

Speaker B

And using it as the doorstop.

Speaker A

So yeah, she was a victim of a break in and that nobody even knew how valuable.

Speaker A

And it wasn't until.

Speaker A

Let's see, much later.

Speaker A

Where does it say that?

Speaker B

Go up a little bit, John.

Speaker B

It shows where the age of it was.

Speaker A

Polish experts got the chance to analyze the stone and they said it could be between 38.5 and 70 million years old.

Speaker B

No big deal.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

Its discovery is an example of a great significance both at a scientific perspective and a museum level, explains the expert who examined the stone.

Speaker A

The museum is now in Krakow, Poland and it is one of the largest pieces of amber ever found worldwide.

Speaker A

And I guess that the relative of the homeowner passed in 1989.

Speaker A

The, the homeowner passed in 1989.

Speaker A

The relative a couple years after, after inheriting what he thought was just a rock, he was the one who concluded that it was actually a semi precious stone whose value was, was pretty high.

Speaker B

Way higher than normal.

Speaker B

Yeah, I mean, I think it was worth like a million dollars.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

So he sold it to the Romanian state and then they, they passed it on to this museum.

Speaker B

That's awesome.

Speaker B

In Poland I'd sell it too.

Speaker A

Unbelievable.

Speaker B

I'm not keeping that at my house.

Speaker B

I'm not giving somebody a reason to come to my house.

Speaker A

I mean, but can you imagine you.

Speaker A

Let's just put this in terms that all of us can, can get with, you know, right.

Speaker A

Your grandma passes away, you end up with her house.

Speaker A

She's got this rock for a doorstop up, right.

Speaker A

It's seven pounds.

Speaker B

Here you go.

Speaker A

Seven pound rock turns out to be multi million dollars worth of amber.

Speaker B

No big deal.

Speaker A

I mean it's just sitting there as a doorstop.

Speaker A

And of course, of course thieves aren't going to look at the doorstop and think, no, that's, that's worth a million dollars right there.

Speaker B

They wouldn't think that at all, dude.

Speaker A

But it's.

Speaker A

Some of this stuff when it comes to light is just crazy.

Speaker A

Oh yeah.

Speaker B

That was one of the best ones that I like.

Speaker B

The last six months has been one that was one of the best stories right there.

Speaker B

That is just based on The, I mean, 70 million years old, dude.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

And it's a very recent story that they're writing about it.

Speaker A

So, you know, it's finally just getting.

Speaker A

The experts have finally gotten, you know, it's probably got its own exhibit in it.

Speaker B

Better Poland, it better have its own exhibit.

Speaker A

Unbelievable.

Speaker B

Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker A

But the amber photos that they're, that they're showing from the same area are just beautiful.

Speaker A

I mean.

Speaker B

Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker A

Now of course, if you've watched Jurassic park, you know, the amber, the amber.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

It took the DNA, right.

Speaker B

All downhill from there.

Speaker A

Nature finds.

Speaker B

They all start out like real, like, oh, this is great.

Speaker B

Then it's.

Speaker A

And of course downhill.

Speaker B

He's hilarious.

Speaker B

He's like, oh, my God.

Speaker A

No one ever asked whether they.

Speaker A

They.

Speaker A

They decided they could.

Speaker A

They never asked whether or not they should.

Speaker B

Yes.

Speaker B

Yeah, Right.

Speaker B

So true.

Speaker A

Anyway, interesting stuff.

Speaker A

So there's so much magic that we're trying to bring out to the world by talking about all the lost treasures and the ancient stuff.

Speaker A

And again, I just have to give a shout out to all of our listeners and all the people who have been building a following for this little podcast of ours.

Speaker A

So many fun ancient things that are out there that are coming to light.

Speaker A

We want to, of course, encourage people to do it responsibly, but we also want to hear your stories.

Speaker A

So if you have a grandma who left a million dollar rock laying on the ground, we want to know about it.

Speaker B

Or any stories about a half a million dollar.

Speaker B

Yeah, but any of those, like, discriminate.

Speaker B

I think there's so much you can find on the Internet, but there's also those stories that are like hometown stories that you don't hear about.

Speaker B

So that's stuff I want to hear about, too.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

And speaking of hometown, we're going to give a shout out again to Fort Ancient Earthworks and some of the things that are right here in the state of Ohio, North America's largest ancient hilltop enclosure, Earthworks.

Speaker A

And we want to do a live field trip to the site.

Speaker A

So we'd like to invite some folks to come join us if you want to come check it out and hike with us.

Speaker A

And, you know, who knows, maybe we'll do some metal detecting as well.

Speaker A

Podcasting, too, maybe casting, metal detecting.

Speaker A

Hopefully all those things coincide.

Speaker A

But that's what we do here on Lost Treasures.

Speaker A

And we've got so much more to talk about.

Speaker A

We're gonna pause for station identification, and we're going to come back to you as soon as we can with more info.

Speaker A

We will be back shortly.

Speaker A

Ladies and gentlemen, this is the Lost Treasures podcast.

Speaker A

We thank each and every one of you for tuning in.

Speaker A

I'm John Scheel.

Speaker A

I'm Adam Means, and this is Lost Treasures Podcast.