Well, all right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back.
Speaker AIt is the Lost Treasures podcast.
Speaker AWe are recording it in my office live.
Speaker AI'm John Scheel.
Speaker BI'm Adam Means.
Speaker AAnd we are back with a December update on all sorts of stuff that's going on in the world of archaeology and lost Treasures.
Speaker AWant to thank everybody who is watching live on the TikTok.
Speaker AWe've got two different TikTok streams going today, and so if you're following along on TikTok, we appreciate you.
Speaker AJust a shout out to the live folks, but since this is a produced podcast, you are all part of behind the scenes.
Speaker AAnd those folks that are listening to us on the stream, streaming services and everywhere where you get your podcasts are hearing this.
Speaker AProbably a few days from now, we're gonna do it.
Speaker BProbably like five days.
Speaker BFour or five days you try to do on Sundays, you know.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo, well, and speaking of Sundays, Sunday, December 8th, we are very, very pleased to hear that Notre Dame Cathedral is reopening.
Speaker AWe're a big fan of the Lost Treasures and the Ancient world and the semi ancient world and the.
Speaker AThe.
Speaker AThe history of the world.
Speaker ASo we're very, very happy about this reopening of Notre Dame Cathedral.
Speaker AIt's obviously going to be hitting the airwaves on 60 Minutes and.
Speaker AAnd all sorts of folks have gone through and done a preview, but it's going to be open to the public on December 8th.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker BAnd why don't you tell them what happened, John?
Speaker AWell, we want to.
Speaker AWe want to just give a quick overview for those of you Americans that may not have remembered or may not be thinking about it.
Speaker ANotre Dame is in Paris.
Speaker AIt is a beautiful cathedral.
Speaker AI've been there myself.
Speaker AAnd a couple years ago, unfortunately, there was a horrific fire that just completely gutted the place.
Speaker ADecimated and really difficult rebuild.
Speaker ABut using a lot of techniques, they were able to put scaffolding up and they unfortunately had to dig into the foundation in order to set up the scaffolding.
Speaker ABut in doing so, what we like and what we're talking about here is that experts found as many as 10, 35 artwork fragments, as well as a hundred graves.
Speaker AAnd that increases the total record of graves in the site to over 500 burials.
Speaker BUnreal.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ANow, many of the coffins, along with scattered bones, remain unidentified, but there was that one, the one that was in lead.
Speaker AI don't know if you remember this during the pandemic years where everyone was like, put it back, put it back.
Speaker BI do remember that, actually.
Speaker AThat's funny, don't open it.
Speaker ASo, yeah, it turns out it may have been the poet Joaquin Du Belay who is one of the more notable folks who was buried in the cathedral.
Speaker ABut there were life size heads and torsos of limestone statues, including one of one of Christ himself were unearthed.
Speaker AA 13 century wood screen that previously separated the choir and sanctuary was a significant architectural find.
Speaker AAnd they basically, you know, gutted the place and had to clean every single square foot of it and carpenters used 100 year old oak trees to try to put it all back together.
Speaker AI mean obviously this is a cathedral constructed in the 1160s.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSuper old.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ABut the, the fact is we've got all of these interesting finds that are coming to light due to the excavation, but all of that stuff is going to be on display.
Speaker AWell, so teams from the Institute, the National Institute of Archeological Research and Preservation or Preventative Archaeological Research, were given five weeks to dig under the stone floor.
Speaker AAnd they dug a shallow 16 inch trench beneath the floor, about the same depth as the scaffolding.
Speaker AAnd the remains turned out to be much richer than, than they previously expected.
Speaker BSo nuts.
Speaker AThere's just so much stuff about this coming out you're going to see in National Geographic.
Speaker BThey'll have it all over mainstream news too, you know.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd it's already kind of been all over the mainstream news a little bit.
Speaker AYeah, it's definitely going to be, but.
Speaker BThey took some time.
Speaker BThe inside is like amazing to look at.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd if you even just peruse some of the National Geographic photos, you're seeing just really detailed.
Speaker AWhat are these porcelain sculptures of faces.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker ALots of different architectural pieces from previous versions of the, the chapel.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker A13Th century limestone screen that separated the different parts of the, the cathedral.
Speaker AAnd just a whole lot of stuff buried under the stone floor.
Speaker BOf course they got to keep going into the ground, John.
Speaker AYeah, exactly.
Speaker BSounds like they're looking up, you know, finding stuff in Cincinnati where you start just digging and finding burials and then all this other stuff.
Speaker AYou know, it seems like, you know, some of this, this stuff basically like the, the screen stood for nearly 500 years, but then eventually, because of the way that the mass changed and the way that the king wanted a more open choir area and he wanted larger statues of himself.
Speaker AThis was King Louis XIV and he wanted statues of his father, Louis XIII.
Speaker AHe dismantled the screen in the early 1700s and then they just.
Speaker BYep, yeah, sounds about right.
Speaker ABut what's interesting is if it weren't for the fire, the archaeological team would not have gotten a chance to dig up all this.
Speaker BExactly right.
Speaker BSo isn't that crazy how that happens?
Speaker AYeah, it's pretty wild.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ANow, again, this is reopening the week that we are recording this.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ASo we are literally hours.
Speaker BTwo days before.
Speaker BTwo days before.
Speaker BOr is it.
Speaker BNo, it's a day before.
Speaker BYeah, day before.
Speaker AAnd they're six hours ahead of us.
Speaker ASo, you know, that's crazy.
Speaker AYeah, it's.
Speaker AIt's coming.
Speaker BThat's pretty cool.
Speaker AReally cool stuff, though.
Speaker AWe are really focused on all of this ancient stuff.
Speaker AAnd I'm just going to say this to our Tick Tock followers.
Speaker AWe really appreciate each one of you being here.
Speaker AIf you want to check out the podcast and all of the various things that we talk about here, jump on Lost Treasures on anywhere on where you get your podcasts.
Speaker AAnd then if you want us to investigate or talk about any particular topic, we always like to mention this at the top of the show, but Lost Treasures am and you too can send us information.
Speaker ANow, as you might know, this podcast got started with Adam Means doing some investigation during the pandemic.
Speaker AAgain, this fire happened during the pandemic and your investigations started during the pandemic.
Speaker AAnd so we've hit a little bit of a roadblock.
Speaker AWe'll just briefly mention.
Speaker BBriefly mention.
Speaker BJohn, we can.
Speaker BAnd not because we don't want to talk about it.
Speaker BBecause I've waited for like almost two and a half years to tell this story.
Speaker BI just can't tell it just yet.
Speaker ASo.
Speaker ASo lots of legal restrictions to what's going on with Adam's hunt for lost treasure in the greater Cincinnati area in a 186 acre park.
Speaker BAnd I always ask John before I want to talk about stuff on my podcast.
Speaker BSo John said no.
Speaker BSo I'm going no today.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASince you all on my live can see the degrees are on the wall.
Speaker AThat.
Speaker AThat is something that I do.
Speaker BThose are real.
Speaker BThose are real degrees.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AI don't just play a lawyer on tv.
Speaker AHowever, we do want to mention that there's been quite a lot of discoveries from metal detecting.
Speaker AAnd part of it, part of Adam's journey has been through metal detecting.
Speaker AAnd so we were talking and we talk about this a lot in.
Speaker AIn the United States, being such a young country, comparatively, you know, what are the oldest things that you can find with a metal detector?
Speaker AAnd it turns out that just recently there was in Kansas, a apparently legendary metal detector, Jack York.
Speaker AJack York from Johnson County, Kansas.
Speaker BShout out to Jack if he ever wants to hit us up.
Speaker BProbably got plenty of time to talk to him.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker ASo this is a relatively old story.
Speaker AIt's a 2009 story.
Speaker AHowever, it just highlights the fact that there a lot of treasure out there and that this legendary metal detectorist found a coin that apparently was found in the United States by jack and it's.
Speaker B2400 years old, minted in 405 BC.
Speaker BThat's impressive.
Speaker AThat is.
Speaker AThat's amazing.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ASo super old.
Speaker AI'm going to bring up a little bit of detail on that and let's talk about this.
Speaker ASo if you're a metal detectorist now, obviously, you know, we've gone back and forth with, with metal detector companies and different types of metal detectors and obviously Jack, being a legendary metal detectorist, has some stuff that the average Joe metal detectorist is probably not going to find.
Speaker ABut truthfully, you don't need the most expensive metal detector in the world in order to find some of this.
Speaker BNope.
Speaker ASo you too can go out and adventure in metal detecting.
Speaker AWant to mention, just because we do this, you know, there are certain areas of the country and certain places like municipal parks where you cannot metal detect without a permit.
Speaker ASo we just throw that caution out there to everyone.
Speaker AIf you are metal detecting, you want to make sure that you're doing it on your own land or you have permission.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AAnd whether that's from the private landowner or from the municipality through a permitting process, you got to do it.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BMine was a little weird just with mine's little 1% different.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BI'm not the permits and all that.
Speaker BThat was a time thing.
Speaker BAnd so don't.
Speaker BMy best advice, start on your own land.
Speaker BStart in or go to a neighbor where you can ask permission and get something low grade just to start out with and then work your way up.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BCause we're dealing with now we're at a different level.
Speaker BI'm getting to use like $5,000 and $10,000 metal detectors at the park now through other people, not of my own.
Speaker BBut that's the attraction and the attention that's starting to slowly come.
Speaker AYeah, well, and certainly that we're going to be talking to some metal detector companies so that we can show you on our lives and on our video version of the podcast some of the stuff that's out there that you can get.
Speaker ABut you know, going to Harbor Freight, you can get something that is very basic.
Speaker AVery basic, but it works.
Speaker AIt works, it works.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BI mean they're all, they're all somewhat based off the same technology, right?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BBut then you just have, it's just like Having a, a low end car and a high end car, like it's just going to have different bells and whistles.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker BYeah, I mean hopefully at some point as we talk through like sponsorships and stuff, then we'll be able to get really, you know, talk about the details of some of these things.
Speaker BBut yeah, anybody can do it.
Speaker BI mean there's.
Speaker BKids can do it all the way up to whatever age.
Speaker BI mean it doesn't really matter.
Speaker BJust make sure you're following the rules.
Speaker BThat's if we're gonna tell you anything like follow the laws.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BIt would just be a pain.
Speaker AAnd because we have listeners all over the world.
Speaker B100.
Speaker AWe just reiterate this because there was that gentleman, we talked about him earlier on and last season where.
Speaker AYeah, he was in Australia and got himself into a world of hurt, stupid metal detecting where he shouldn't have and didn't have the permission and could potentially face some prison time.
Speaker ASo there are serious implications finding some of these things.
Speaker AObviously there are laws about things that are, that are ancient, that are cultural patrimony, that are heritage things that need to be put in museums.
Speaker AAnd you know, by disturbing the context of the sediments, you could actually be damaging the information that archaeologists could be learning from.
Speaker BTrue.
Speaker ALike for example, when we went out to the Clough pike, the Turpin farms on Clough, there were archaeologists from Ohio State University that were there and they were talking about finding the fires of this ancient village.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd determining that based on the cooked corn that were found in these fires, that it may be the first place in the United States where corn cultivation for agricultural purposes.
Speaker ANot just random, you know, and because.
Speaker BOf it was all because of the carbon dating, you know, they were able to carbon date.
Speaker BAnd so that right there was like, I mean that in itself is extremely fragile.
Speaker BAnd then we got to see that, you know, what was that old jawbone of a deer and that was like four feet in the ground.
Speaker BI thought that was really cool.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAmazing.
Speaker AAlong with that little metal.
Speaker BOh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker AAnd they said that was over a thousand years old.
Speaker BIt's nuts.
Speaker AUnbelievable.
Speaker BI know.
Speaker BRight off Little Miami river too.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ANow there's lots of treasure that's out there.
Speaker AWe want to mention because we, we often like to talk about coins.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo the oldest co coin in the United States found by this Jack York.
Speaker ABut coinage, the first coin ever minted in the United States is considered the Franklin scent or the Fujio scent.
Speaker AIt was designed by Ben Franklin, minted in 1787 and only 400, 000 of them were minted super rare then.
Speaker ANow, that would be a dream come true for any metal detectorist.
Speaker AObviously, metal detecting and numismatics go hand in hand.
Speaker ASo numismatics, the study of these ancient coins.
Speaker AAnd if you're doing this in Europe, you're going to find things that are super old that might be from the Roman Empire.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker ABut in the United States, not as much.
Speaker BNo.
Speaker AI mean, if it's older than 1787, then you know that someone had to bring it here from another place.
Speaker ARight, right.
Speaker ABecause that the Franklin scent was the oldest one in the United States.
Speaker ANow, it's pretty incredible that this Roman, Roman coin from 405 BC was found.
Speaker AJack York, it's, it's incredible that he went out and he's a legend, man.
Speaker BHe's a legend.
Speaker ANow what he did was he found this coin in what was a Civil War camp.
Speaker AAnd the story of how he found it is interesting, but the story of how it got there, I don't think anybody will ever truly know.
Speaker BWe're not going to figure that out.
Speaker AYeah, but incredible.
Speaker AAnd it must have been carried by someone who was in that camp.
Speaker ASo a Civil War soldier carrying the store, carrying this, maybe for good luck, we don't know.
Speaker ABut an impression in the ground that soldiers were using as a water source, and it wasn't near a conventional source, so it was overlooked by people for decades when they were trying to locate it.
Speaker ABut they had already found thousands of Civil War bullets, belt plates, coins, some dating to pre Civil War era.
Speaker ABut then they were searching next to a well and they, they moved down the way a little bit to another depression.
Speaker AAnd Jack was looking and heard a very faint signal.
Speaker AAnd after digging about a foot down, he pulled out an object that looked like a coin.
Speaker BWent down a foot?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BLarge, but that was fun.
Speaker ALarger than a half dollar, but smaller than a silver dollar.
Speaker AAnd when he looked at it, he just, he felt like it had probably been in the ground about 170 years, knew it wasn't dropped by a Roman soldier.
Speaker AAnd the only thing they knew of that was there at that time were Civil War soldiers.
Speaker ABut somehow a soldier or an officer carried this to ward off bad luck.
Speaker BAnd that's unreal.
Speaker AUnfortunately, bad luck befell them because it fell out.
Speaker ABut look at the detail.
Speaker AIf you look, if you, if you search on high plains prospectors.com, you're going to see images of this coin.
Speaker BIt's pretty impressive.
Speaker AAnd the.
Speaker BOh, yeah.
Speaker BBigger than a quarter.
Speaker AIt's bigger than A quarter and very detailed.
Speaker AIt's got the side profile almost like a half dollar.
Speaker BJohn.
Speaker AYeah, half profile of looks like a Roman emperor.
Speaker AAnd on the back side, the horse emperor.
Speaker BOh, that's cool.
Speaker AFour horse chariot.
Speaker BYeah, so cool.
Speaker BThat was one of the like the most unique ones that I've seen in a while.
Speaker BAnd so that's why.
Speaker BYeah, definitely want to talk about something like that.
Speaker AOh, incredible.
Speaker AI mean really just incredible.
Speaker AAnd even though this was found in 2009, people are writing about it today.
Speaker ASo it's, it's, it's all just, you know, people are curious as to what is the oldest stuff that's found in the United States.
Speaker AWell, that was found.
Speaker BNow that is old.
Speaker AThis is a question for our audience.
Speaker ASo if this person found this coin, right.
Speaker ADo you think there's more?
Speaker BOh, yeah.
Speaker AI mean there could be.
Speaker BRemember the Kentucky stuff?
Speaker ASo if they're looking in Kansas.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ADuring the Civil War.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BThere's more.
Speaker AThere's already 100 plus years of history on the east coast, right?
Speaker BOh yeah.
Speaker ASo this coin traveled inland and then was dropped during a period of war.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABut there could be more.
Speaker BDefinitely could be.
Speaker BI just typically.
Speaker BIs there?
Speaker BOh, I mean that is a very rare case though, just based on the age.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BSo I'm not saying that.
Speaker BGood chance.
Speaker BThere's probably more, man.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ANow let's talk a little bit about, about metal detectors.
Speaker AWe, we talked a little bit before that.
Speaker AYou could go to the Home Depot, but.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker ABut you sent me some stuff about really, you know, because we've talked waterproof metal detectors and ones that have all.
Speaker BThe bells and whistles, the nocta.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker BNow sweet.
Speaker AIf you, if you were really serious, do you think you'd be buying an intelligent multi frequency detector with 3D?
Speaker BThat would probably be like the level that I'd go to.
Speaker BI don't know if I go beyond that.
Speaker BI told you about that one from Germany.
Speaker BThat's like 10 gr.
Speaker BI mean again, you're, you're paying for depth, you're paying for ability to change frequencies.
Speaker BSo all these like little things are what you're paying for.
Speaker BI don't know if I go beyond that 5k mark, you know, and I think you can get a really good, I mean Minelab makes some like killer metal detectors and nails are like 1200-2.
Speaker BSo you don't.
Speaker BDo you have to go to that level?
Speaker BIf I was going to go to that level, John, to be honest with you, I'd turn that into a business in itself, like Going out and detecting in people's houses and you know, somebody pays you to come out and you either figure out a prospecting agreement with them and then do that.
Speaker BBut I would try to get a better return on buying something that expensive would be my, my business side, you know.
Speaker AYeah, I think finding lost wedding rings and gardens and things like that.
Speaker BYeah, we could.
Speaker BI mean, having something that powerful, like how deep do you want to go though?
Speaker BYou know, do you want to go down 16ft in the ground?
Speaker BDo you need that necessarily?
Speaker BProbably not, no.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BSo, you know, I tried.
Speaker BI would think of that as like a commercial.
Speaker BThat'd be like a commercial metal detector.
Speaker BMe.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BFor myself personally, I'm probably not going over like a thousand, but business wise, I probably go to like five.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker AThat'd be an interesting side hustle for some of you out there.
Speaker BI think we might break that out into what we're doing around here because I have a couple people that are interested.
Speaker BI actually talked to a guy that's got one of those Nokta, my buddy Randy Nokta inveno metal detectors.
Speaker BAnd so that'd be something that like, I think the business can evolve just like, you know, the ability to meet people and the ability to try to find different things.
Speaker BAnd so that's what I would do.
Speaker BI would just, you know, I'd figure it out.
Speaker BMe and you would obviously talk about working up an agreement with somebody.
Speaker BBut, you know, part of this is I think you just keep expanding if it's something that you really, you know, love to do, so.
Speaker BAnd I enjoy it.
Speaker BI just don't like doing it when it's 20 degrees outside.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd we want to say that as things warm up now, we're months away from that, but we do want to start talking about it now so we can plant the seeds with some of our listeners.
Speaker ABecause there are some amazing archeological things here in the state of Ohio that we can get to.
Speaker AAdam spends a lot of his time in Columbus.
Speaker AI'm Cincinnati based.
Speaker AAnd so we're looking at Ohio based road trips where we can all get together.
Speaker AAnd those of you out there listening, if you want to join us, we want to invite you to join us.
Speaker ANow.
Speaker AThere's some areas around for ancient there, so we want to extend an invite to folks.
Speaker AAnd if you want to get in touch and say, hey, let's go check out this location.
Speaker ASend us a note.
Speaker BTreasures am edgy man.
Speaker ANow, metal detecting is not the only way things get found.
Speaker BNo.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AObviously, climate change is a Big thing.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd we are seeing some very interesting things happening where the permafrost is melting and where, you know, we talked about some ancient, ancient animal remains found.
Speaker ABut we're talking today, just recently, there were some finds in November.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AThat were found in the Swiss Alps.
Speaker AAnd these are recent news stories.
Speaker AWe like to pull up and talk about the latest in archaeology and finding artifacts.
Speaker AAnd in a high altitude pass that connects Switzerland with Italy, there was a bamboo cart kind of resembling a two wheeled wagon.
Speaker AOh, hold please.
Speaker BIs that right outside?
Speaker AThat is.
Speaker AWe're going to pause real quick, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker BOf course, it just goes off.
Speaker AWe may, for the purposes of our editing on the podcast, we may edit that, that out.
Speaker ABut those of you who are hearing it live on TikTok, there literally was a car alarm just going off right outside our window.
Speaker ASo anyway, all right, getting back to it.
Speaker AThe climate change find, that, that is because the ice has exposed relics and artifacts that were previously buried under snow and ice in between Switzerland and Italy in the Alps, we have seen a number of different things found.
Speaker ABut what we are talking about now is where is it?
Speaker ALet's pull it up.
Speaker BI think you just had.
Speaker BWas the cart, right?
Speaker BIs that what you're talking about, John?
Speaker AYeah, the cart.
Speaker AThe bamboo cart discovery in the Swiss Alps.
Speaker ASo hikers were hiking along this pass and because of the melting glacier, there was a bamboo contraption consisting of two large wheels and poles tied together with cords.
Speaker ANow experts have dated it to the maybe 17 or 1800s.
Speaker BWow.
Speaker ABut it adds a layer of mystery because it clearly arrived in Europe in the 1700s or maybe maybe late 1700s, early 1800s.
Speaker ABut they didn't really use bamboo for these types of carts in that, that time.
Speaker ASo they're thinking that it may have come from the east, but they're not exactly sure.
Speaker AAnd so the origins definitely remain unclear.
Speaker AThis is a mystery that has just been ex.
Speaker AExcavated.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BNovember 2nd or something of this year.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker ASo they're wondering if it was a sled for transporting goods.
Speaker ABut the fact that this, this pass has a rich history of travel, of folks dating back to ancient times.
Speaker AThey're not sure exactly how it was.
Speaker BA trade route, possibly a trade route that makes some sense.
Speaker BBut it's, it's super cool to see the things that are just like starting to be found underneath the ice.
Speaker BNot that I'm a huge fan of any sort of climate stuff at all, but at the same time, I want to see what's under that.
Speaker BYeah, I want to know what's under the ice.
Speaker AWell, clearly the.
Speaker AThe change is exposing things that were hidden, and that's how lost treasures are found.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker ASo that's.
Speaker AThat's really very interesting.
Speaker AI'm gonna try and back up and show this with some images, see if they have any images here.
Speaker BOh, yeah, yeah, Yep, I remember that.
Speaker BI mean, that's sweet.
Speaker ATo be honest, the.
Speaker AThe whole thing looks of ancient origin.
Speaker BOh, it totally looks old.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AEven though they're saying it could be.
Speaker BBroken into pieces and it's still.
Speaker BIt still looks super old.
Speaker BIt looks super old.
Speaker AI mean, it looks more.
Speaker BIt looks older than 1700s, personally.
Speaker BBut I don't know, you know.
Speaker BYeah, I'd have to have something to compare it to, picture wise.
Speaker ACan you imagine, though, hiking through and you see this?
Speaker BNope.
Speaker AI mean.
Speaker BI mean, just look at that wheel.
Speaker BIt's crazy looking.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker AI mean, it.
Speaker AIt's obviously handmade.
Speaker B1,000%.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd if you think this was buried in snow and ice for 100, 200 years, 300, you know, whatever.
Speaker ATwo plus years.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker AThat's.
Speaker BIt's amazing.
Speaker BIt's still intact and, you know, it's in pieces somewhat, but it's kind of intact.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AI mean, it's clearly recognizable and all the pieces are right there.
Speaker AOh, yeah.
Speaker ABut to imagine that this has been buried for that long, it's crazy.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BUnbelievable.
Speaker AWell, so much new stuff just coming out.
Speaker AComing to light.
Speaker BChina.
Speaker BGo to the china coins.
Speaker AOh, yes.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BI'm super excited about this one.
Speaker ASo we're talking about the.
Speaker BOh, we got to talk about that, too.
Speaker BThat valuable stone.
Speaker AYou know, there's.
Speaker AThere's a whole bunch of stuff brought to light.
Speaker ADigging.
Speaker ADigging a.
Speaker AFor a grave, for a funeral.
Speaker AYeah, but we're talking about the.
Speaker AYou want to talk about the coins, right?
Speaker BOh, yeah.
Speaker BThe ceramic ones in Japan, was it.
Speaker BThat was it.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker BThere it is.
Speaker BAll right, so this is.
Speaker BJohn knows that I like the coin stuff, and the reason I like the coin stuff is because I think a good majority of the value of coins is like, they're small but very, very valuable.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BSo you're not taking up like a whole room of something.
Speaker BYou're just little tiny coin could be worth millions.
Speaker BWell, this is one of the most unique ones that I had seen recently.
Speaker BSo what was it, say 500,000 Maboroshi ceramic coins were found.
Speaker BIt looks like they were having metal shortages due to World War II.
Speaker BWere discovered in a warehouse at the site of a former manufacturer in the city of Kyoto.
Speaker BThese long lost relics were circulated Briefly and were thought to have been destroyed after the war.
Speaker AWow.
Speaker BThe coins were discovered stashed in 15 wooden boxes.
Speaker BThe former Shofu industry corporation, which had crafted them during the war.
Speaker BI thought that was cool.
Speaker BIt just looked super unique because they were like that red.
Speaker BLike that red color.
Speaker BJust made them stick out a lot.
Speaker BAccording to the Japan Mint, there's a shortage of metal used to make the coins during World War II because the material was used to create munitions as a replacement.
Speaker BA total of about 15 million ceramic coins were produced in the city of Kyoto in the town of Areda in Saga Prefecture where the pottery industry was flourishing.
Speaker BHowever, at the with the end of the war, the coins were crushed and discarded without ever being circulated and called phantom coins.
Speaker BThat's super cool.
Speaker ABut these were found in a box that was never crushed.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd yes.
Speaker BAnd super unique looking.
Speaker BLook at that.
Speaker BThat's awesome.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker AThey said that a discovery of such a large amount of coins is extremely rare.
Speaker AFifteen wooden boxes were found along with ceramic tea sets and plates made for export.
Speaker AThis was in a factory that made ceramic teeth.
Speaker BThat's awesome.
Speaker AIn Kyoto.
Speaker BThat's awesome.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AUnbelievable stuff.
Speaker AThe mint.
Speaker AThere were only three factories that were allowed to be office of the mint and the mint owned the coins which were just given back to them.
Speaker ABut the parent.
Speaker AParent.
Speaker ALet's see.
Speaker ANo, the, the head of the Japan Mint is saying that they're going to put them on display, but because they are of great historical value.
Speaker ASo it sheds a light on little known known period of Japan's coin making history.
Speaker AAnd that, my friends, is what numismatics is all.
Speaker BThere it is right there.
Speaker BThat's awesome.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BCeramic coins.
Speaker BI'd never heard of it before.
Speaker BAnd I was like, oh, I gotta send this to John now.
Speaker AWhile we're on the topic of coins, this is November 12th.
Speaker AA new story came out where an unexpected discovery in Turkey.
Speaker AVillages were preparing a burial site and they unearthed an ancient ceramic jar containing over 1100 ancient silver coins.
Speaker BNice.
Speaker AAnd since this is so new, we don't even really have the type or the, the government that made them.
Speaker ABut it looks like there were museum officials that sifted through the soil.
Speaker AWhen they found them.
Speaker AIt was a, a coin, A single coin was found.
Speaker AAnd then a whole ceramic jar of course was found.
Speaker BIsn't that how it works?
Speaker ARight, yeah.
Speaker BSo you find one, then you'll find a bunch more.
Speaker ABut this is, is, you know, interesting because here they were just trying to prepare a burial ground.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd in the dig they found this historical stuff.
Speaker ANow, in the United States, as we've talked with Greg Hand and Cincinnati Curiosities, lots of burials have gotten covered over by buildings.
Speaker ABut here they were, you know, preparing fresh ground for a burial.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AAnd find this ancient, ancient stuff.
Speaker B1100 of those coins too.
Speaker BThat's impressive.
Speaker ANow this is coming from the Greek reporter that has a ton of stories about ancient stuff.
Speaker BI hadn't seen any updates on that story either because I usually.
Speaker BIf I see something, I usually just shoot you the update.
Speaker BBut I haven't seen anything since then.
Speaker BI'll have to check into that.
Speaker AYeah, it's really interesting because we don't know who made the coins.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AAll we know is that they were preparing a burial site and that there were.
Speaker AThere were coins and looking around trying to find more.
Speaker ABut then they ended up going on and burying the person who they were going to bury.
Speaker AThey went on with their life.
Speaker BThere you go.
Speaker AWith the safe.
Speaker AWith the artifact safely removed, the burial for this person continued as planned.
Speaker AAnd the villagers returned to their routines.
Speaker ANow a part of a discovery that will mark local history.
Speaker BThat's pretty cool.
Speaker BThat's really cool.
Speaker BThat's awesome.
Speaker AYeah, unbelievable.
Speaker ASo all sorts of magical things out there, right?
Speaker AAncient stuff that's being found.
Speaker AAnd we want to include all of you in the finding of new stuff, but we've got to mention this one because I thought this was.
Speaker BYeah, this is awesome.
Speaker ASo an elderly woman in Romania had and used as a doorstop for quite some time, one of the largest known amber nuggets worldwide.
Speaker AEver, ever known.
Speaker BTell her the story about the thieves like these guys try to break into her house.
Speaker AWell, so she had a 7.7 pound stone that she used as a doorstop for more than 10 years without even being conscious of the value.
Speaker AAnd not even thieves who broke into her home looking for jewels knew what they were looking at.
Speaker ASo it was literally tripped over.
Speaker AAnd it wasn't until after.
Speaker AAfter when I guess she passed away and someone took over the.
Speaker AThe home.
Speaker ATrying to read through the story here, but someone ended up getting a value on it because they thought, hey, that doesn't look like.
Speaker BSticks out.
Speaker BYeah, it's not.
Speaker BYeah, it's not right.
Speaker AI think that is hilarious.
Speaker BAnd using it as the doorstop.
Speaker ASo yeah, she was a victim of a break in and that nobody even knew how valuable.
Speaker AAnd it wasn't until.
Speaker ALet's see, much later.
Speaker AWhere does it say that?
Speaker BGo up a little bit, John.
Speaker BIt shows where the age of it was.
Speaker APolish experts got the chance to analyze the stone and they said it could be between 38.5 and 70 million years old.
Speaker BNo big deal.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AIts discovery is an example of a great significance both at a scientific perspective and a museum level, explains the expert who examined the stone.
Speaker AThe museum is now in Krakow, Poland and it is one of the largest pieces of amber ever found worldwide.
Speaker AAnd I guess that the relative of the homeowner passed in 1989.
Speaker AThe, the homeowner passed in 1989.
Speaker AThe relative a couple years after, after inheriting what he thought was just a rock, he was the one who concluded that it was actually a semi precious stone whose value was, was pretty high.
Speaker BWay higher than normal.
Speaker BYeah, I mean, I think it was worth like a million dollars.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo he sold it to the Romanian state and then they, they passed it on to this museum.
Speaker BThat's awesome.
Speaker BIn Poland I'd sell it too.
Speaker AUnbelievable.
Speaker BI'm not keeping that at my house.
Speaker BI'm not giving somebody a reason to come to my house.
Speaker AI mean, but can you imagine you.
Speaker ALet's just put this in terms that all of us can, can get with, you know, right.
Speaker AYour grandma passes away, you end up with her house.
Speaker AShe's got this rock for a doorstop up, right.
Speaker AIt's seven pounds.
Speaker BHere you go.
Speaker ASeven pound rock turns out to be multi million dollars worth of amber.
Speaker BNo big deal.
Speaker AI mean it's just sitting there as a doorstop.
Speaker AAnd of course, of course thieves aren't going to look at the doorstop and think, no, that's, that's worth a million dollars right there.
Speaker BThey wouldn't think that at all, dude.
Speaker ABut it's.
Speaker ASome of this stuff when it comes to light is just crazy.
Speaker AOh yeah.
Speaker BThat was one of the best ones that I like.
Speaker BThe last six months has been one that was one of the best stories right there.
Speaker BThat is just based on The, I mean, 70 million years old, dude.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd it's a very recent story that they're writing about it.
Speaker ASo, you know, it's finally just getting.
Speaker AThe experts have finally gotten, you know, it's probably got its own exhibit in it.
Speaker BBetter Poland, it better have its own exhibit.
Speaker AUnbelievable.
Speaker BYeah, it's amazing.
Speaker ABut the amber photos that they're, that they're showing from the same area are just beautiful.
Speaker AI mean.
Speaker BOh yeah, yeah.
Speaker ANow of course, if you've watched Jurassic park, you know, the amber, the amber.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BIt took the DNA, right.
Speaker BAll downhill from there.
Speaker ANature finds.
Speaker BThey all start out like real, like, oh, this is great.
Speaker BThen it's.
Speaker AAnd of course downhill.
Speaker BHe's hilarious.
Speaker BHe's like, oh, my God.
Speaker ANo one ever asked whether they.
Speaker AThey.
Speaker AThey decided they could.
Speaker AThey never asked whether or not they should.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker BYeah, Right.
Speaker BSo true.
Speaker AAnyway, interesting stuff.
Speaker ASo there's so much magic that we're trying to bring out to the world by talking about all the lost treasures and the ancient stuff.
Speaker AAnd again, I just have to give a shout out to all of our listeners and all the people who have been building a following for this little podcast of ours.
Speaker ASo many fun ancient things that are out there that are coming to light.
Speaker AWe want to, of course, encourage people to do it responsibly, but we also want to hear your stories.
Speaker ASo if you have a grandma who left a million dollar rock laying on the ground, we want to know about it.
Speaker BOr any stories about a half a million dollar.
Speaker BYeah, but any of those, like, discriminate.
Speaker BI think there's so much you can find on the Internet, but there's also those stories that are like hometown stories that you don't hear about.
Speaker BSo that's stuff I want to hear about, too.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd speaking of hometown, we're going to give a shout out again to Fort Ancient Earthworks and some of the things that are right here in the state of Ohio, North America's largest ancient hilltop enclosure, Earthworks.
Speaker AAnd we want to do a live field trip to the site.
Speaker ASo we'd like to invite some folks to come join us if you want to come check it out and hike with us.
Speaker AAnd, you know, who knows, maybe we'll do some metal detecting as well.
Speaker APodcasting, too, maybe casting, metal detecting.
Speaker AHopefully all those things coincide.
Speaker ABut that's what we do here on Lost Treasures.
Speaker AAnd we've got so much more to talk about.
Speaker AWe're gonna pause for station identification, and we're going to come back to you as soon as we can with more info.
Speaker AWe will be back shortly.
Speaker ALadies and gentlemen, this is the Lost Treasures podcast.
Speaker AWe thank each and every one of you for tuning in.
Speaker AI'm John Scheel.
Speaker AI'm Adam Means, and this is Lost Treasures Podcast.