1 00:00:00,250 --> 00:00:02,291 Welcome to the BP Life Podcast, the show 2 00:00:02,291 --> 00:00:03,583 where we bring you actionable health 3 00:00:03,583 --> 00:00:04,875 advice from leading minds. 4 00:00:05,750 --> 00:00:06,500 I'm your host Rob. 5 00:00:07,166 --> 00:00:09,291 My guest today is Nick Dodson, a high 6 00:00:09,291 --> 00:00:10,708 performance coach and the 7 00:00:10,708 --> 00:00:11,750 founder of Action for Health. 8 00:00:12,750 --> 00:00:14,583 Nick works with driven entrepreneurs and 9 00:00:14,583 --> 00:00:16,208 executives to help them recover from 10 00:00:16,208 --> 00:00:18,333 burnout, restore energy, and build 11 00:00:18,333 --> 00:00:19,833 sustainable performance without 12 00:00:19,833 --> 00:00:20,958 sacrificing their health. 13 00:00:21,916 --> 00:00:24,791 Expect to learn what burnout really is in 14 00:00:24,791 --> 00:00:27,125 high achievers and how it differs from 15 00:00:27,125 --> 00:00:28,500 simple stress or fatigue. 16 00:00:29,541 --> 00:00:31,833 Harmbition, modern work culture, and 17 00:00:31,833 --> 00:00:33,750 consistent stimulation can disrupt the 18 00:00:33,750 --> 00:00:36,000 HPA axis, sleep, and hormones. 19 00:00:37,125 --> 00:00:39,375 And the practical mindset, lifestyle, and 20 00:00:39,375 --> 00:00:41,791 physiological strategies Nick uses to 21 00:00:41,791 --> 00:00:44,000 help high performers recover and thrive. 22 00:00:44,708 --> 00:00:45,708 Now, onto the 23 00:00:45,708 --> 00:00:47,375 conversation with Nick Dodson. 24 00:00:48,041 --> 00:00:49,500 Hi Nick, great to have you on the show. 25 00:00:49,791 --> 00:00:52,083 I think we actually first met very 26 00:00:52,083 --> 00:00:53,750 briefly at the Health Optimization Summit 27 00:00:53,750 --> 00:00:55,541 last year when Collette was there, 28 00:00:55,541 --> 00:00:56,833 obviously, doing some recording. 29 00:00:56,916 --> 00:00:59,708 And then again, earlier in the year when 30 00:00:59,708 --> 00:01:02,625 myself and a colleague attended one of 31 00:01:02,625 --> 00:01:03,958 your marketing events. 32 00:01:04,625 --> 00:01:07,250 Now, I know you are something of a jack 33 00:01:07,250 --> 00:01:08,708 of all trades and please take that in the 34 00:01:08,708 --> 00:01:10,416 best way possible and that you've got a 35 00:01:10,416 --> 00:01:12,000 pretty diverse background. 36 00:01:13,416 --> 00:01:15,750 Of course, we have the time, so would you 37 00:01:15,750 --> 00:01:18,791 mind sharing your story, who you are, how 38 00:01:18,791 --> 00:01:20,458 you got started, and then we can dive 39 00:01:20,458 --> 00:01:22,750 into today's topic, I suppose, which is 40 00:01:22,750 --> 00:01:23,500 essentially burnout. 41 00:01:24,083 --> 00:01:25,416 Sorry, well, basically, 42 00:01:25,833 --> 00:01:27,416 my name is Nick Dodson. 43 00:01:28,166 --> 00:01:29,750 I'm the founder of Action for Health, 44 00:01:30,333 --> 00:01:33,041 which has been a business that I've had 45 00:01:33,041 --> 00:01:35,250 now for a couple of decades. 46 00:01:36,500 --> 00:01:39,291 And basically, I'm health and science 47 00:01:39,291 --> 00:01:43,208 biohacking coach, helping high performers 48 00:01:43,208 --> 00:01:46,291 optimize in three areas that will be 49 00:01:46,291 --> 00:01:47,875 mind, body, and soul. 50 00:01:48,291 --> 00:01:50,583 And I use DNA methylation pathway testing 51 00:01:50,583 --> 00:01:54,500 to identify genetic traits that impact 52 00:01:54,500 --> 00:01:56,458 energy, mood focus, recovery. 53 00:01:57,458 --> 00:01:59,500 Then we create a personal plan like a 54 00:01:59,500 --> 00:02:01,583 blueprint to go forward so it's 55 00:02:01,583 --> 00:02:02,750 individually structured. 56 00:02:04,041 --> 00:02:05,625 And this is whether I'm one-to-one 57 00:02:05,625 --> 00:02:08,000 coaching or whether I'm group coaching. 58 00:02:09,916 --> 00:02:11,166 When did this start? 59 00:02:11,666 --> 00:02:12,083 Goodness me. 60 00:02:13,875 --> 00:02:15,708 I'm a passion-driven person. 61 00:02:17,041 --> 00:02:19,125 And I believe that when passion meets 62 00:02:19,125 --> 00:02:20,375 purpose, then you get fulfillment. 63 00:02:21,083 --> 00:02:22,833 And in life, your purpose is always 64 00:02:22,833 --> 00:02:23,666 looking for your passion. 65 00:02:24,541 --> 00:02:27,083 So when these two things meet, that's it. 66 00:02:27,083 --> 00:02:28,083 That will drive you forward. 67 00:02:29,125 --> 00:02:31,291 And I've had lots of discussions in this 68 00:02:31,291 --> 00:02:33,791 area with lots of different people, and 69 00:02:33,791 --> 00:02:35,875 everybody is driven in some way. 70 00:02:35,916 --> 00:02:37,041 And it's usually that 71 00:02:37,041 --> 00:02:39,000 thing that you have interest. 72 00:02:39,625 --> 00:02:40,750 And this is the thing that's interested 73 00:02:40,750 --> 00:02:44,375 me for a long time, helping people to 74 00:02:44,375 --> 00:02:46,083 optimize their life. 75 00:02:47,166 --> 00:02:49,625 I spent a time as a counselor, 76 00:02:50,750 --> 00:02:51,333 mindset coaching. 77 00:02:51,333 --> 00:02:52,791 This was before mindset coaching was 78 00:02:52,791 --> 00:02:54,375 actually known as mindset coaching. 79 00:02:55,458 --> 00:02:56,875 So I worked in that area. 80 00:02:57,375 --> 00:03:00,375 I've been qualified in nutrition for a 81 00:03:00,375 --> 00:03:03,000 great many years and practice like 82 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,000 forensic nutrition now, 83 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:04,875 which is like detective work. 84 00:03:04,916 --> 00:03:07,375 So we work backwards in that. 85 00:03:08,375 --> 00:03:10,375 And also work on the coaching side. 86 00:03:11,666 --> 00:03:15,583 I have spent time as a, I've had a career 87 00:03:15,583 --> 00:03:17,833 as a physical therapist, 88 00:03:18,416 --> 00:03:20,000 working in sports, physio. 89 00:03:20,541 --> 00:03:21,791 And I'm retired from 90 00:03:21,791 --> 00:03:22,958 that side of things now. 91 00:03:24,166 --> 00:03:26,375 But in with that was 92 00:03:26,375 --> 00:03:27,791 the rehabilitation side. 93 00:03:27,791 --> 00:03:29,916 So I worked in gyms with people, 94 00:03:29,916 --> 00:03:31,375 rehabilitating with the 95 00:03:31,375 --> 00:03:32,875 biomechanics and the kinesiology. 96 00:03:32,916 --> 00:03:36,833 So I've got a good understanding of 97 00:03:36,833 --> 00:03:38,791 exercise, physiology and the biomechanics 98 00:03:38,791 --> 00:03:40,083 and everything else that goes with that 99 00:03:40,083 --> 00:03:42,333 and all the anatomy and physiology and 100 00:03:42,333 --> 00:03:43,541 everything that goes with that. 101 00:03:44,041 --> 00:03:46,208 So basically, if you round all that up 102 00:03:46,208 --> 00:03:47,833 with other interests, 103 00:03:49,208 --> 00:03:51,583 it, I don't have any hobbies, but I have 104 00:03:51,583 --> 00:03:52,875 a very lot of interests. 105 00:03:53,208 --> 00:03:55,916 So it gives me a lot of time to focus in 106 00:03:55,916 --> 00:03:57,625 a lot of directions and bring it all 107 00:03:57,625 --> 00:04:01,791 together because I think I have a friend 108 00:04:01,791 --> 00:04:04,000 who's somewhat of an expert in his double 109 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,500 PhD and he's very 110 00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:08,708 interesting person to talk to. 111 00:04:09,333 --> 00:04:11,000 And he knows a lot about 112 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,333 what he knows a lot about. 113 00:04:12,833 --> 00:04:14,916 But outside of that, 114 00:04:16,125 --> 00:04:16,333 yeah. 115 00:04:16,916 --> 00:04:19,250 So you know a lot about very little, but 116 00:04:19,250 --> 00:04:20,625 very little about anything else. 117 00:04:21,416 --> 00:04:22,916 Which is really, I thought we sort of 118 00:04:22,916 --> 00:04:25,208 agree on that sort of definition of an 119 00:04:25,208 --> 00:04:26,875 expert, somebody who knows more and more 120 00:04:26,875 --> 00:04:28,000 about less and less. 121 00:04:28,333 --> 00:04:28,500 Yes. 122 00:04:28,833 --> 00:04:31,083 So that would be so the definition of the 123 00:04:31,083 --> 00:04:32,708 world's greatest expert would be somebody 124 00:04:32,708 --> 00:04:34,333 who knows everything about nothing. 125 00:04:35,208 --> 00:04:35,500 Pretty much. 126 00:04:37,166 --> 00:04:40,000 So I don't claim to be an expert as you 127 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,041 sort of introduced me. 128 00:04:41,458 --> 00:04:44,458 I just have a lot of interests that I'm 129 00:04:44,458 --> 00:04:45,833 able to bring together. 130 00:04:46,583 --> 00:04:48,875 And it sort of helped me in a lot of ways 131 00:04:48,875 --> 00:04:50,500 to build to not so 132 00:04:50,500 --> 00:04:51,666 much bring a diagnosis, 133 00:04:53,125 --> 00:04:54,250 but to have a good 134 00:04:54,250 --> 00:04:56,291 understanding of how to help people. 135 00:04:57,458 --> 00:04:59,083 And I've been here for 60 136 00:04:59,083 --> 00:04:59,875 years on this planet now. 137 00:04:59,916 --> 00:05:02,625 So it's given me a lot of experience and 138 00:05:02,625 --> 00:05:04,500 a lot of time to build to put this 139 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:06,041 together and sort of pull it all in. 140 00:05:06,041 --> 00:05:06,750 It's just like pulling 141 00:05:06,750 --> 00:05:07,583 a net in really well. 142 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,875 You go fishing, you throw your net out 143 00:05:09,875 --> 00:05:11,541 and then you just pull it all back in 144 00:05:11,541 --> 00:05:12,750 again and you see what you've caught. 145 00:05:13,291 --> 00:05:14,166 And that's the way I've 146 00:05:14,166 --> 00:05:15,291 sort of been over the years. 147 00:05:16,250 --> 00:05:17,416 So no, that's great. 148 00:05:17,416 --> 00:05:18,750 And I'd love to come back to the forensic 149 00:05:18,750 --> 00:05:20,500 nutrition a little bit later on. 150 00:05:21,375 --> 00:05:23,416 I like what you touched on specifically 151 00:05:23,416 --> 00:05:24,625 about having no hobbies. 152 00:05:24,625 --> 00:05:24,875 I think you have a lot of hobbies. 153 00:05:24,916 --> 00:05:27,333 I just think that they're sort of tied in 154 00:05:27,333 --> 00:05:29,041 directly to what you do on a daily basis. 155 00:05:30,166 --> 00:05:31,500 I think hobbies are what you 156 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:33,000 fundamentally love at the end of the day. 157 00:05:33,458 --> 00:05:35,791 I think a lot of people get trapped in 158 00:05:35,791 --> 00:05:38,291 this sort of desire, this need to find a 159 00:05:38,291 --> 00:05:40,750 hobby when ultimately what they should be 160 00:05:40,750 --> 00:05:42,333 doing is sort of incorporating their 161 00:05:42,333 --> 00:05:44,250 hobbies into this sort of daily life, 162 00:05:44,500 --> 00:05:46,958 creating their purpose from 163 00:05:46,958 --> 00:05:47,875 that point going forwards. 164 00:05:47,916 --> 00:05:51,250 But yeah, that's maybe my 165 00:05:51,250 --> 00:05:53,625 epic sort of dull view on it. 166 00:05:53,833 --> 00:05:55,125 So we'll let that one slide. 167 00:05:55,375 --> 00:05:55,708 But anyway, 168 00:05:57,208 --> 00:05:59,000 high performers, the sort of the client 169 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,583 base that you are that you sort of 170 00:06:01,583 --> 00:06:02,541 predominantly work with. 171 00:06:02,791 --> 00:06:05,125 What sort of I suppose drew you to 172 00:06:05,125 --> 00:06:06,625 wanting to work with these sorts of 173 00:06:06,625 --> 00:06:07,958 people to begin with? 174 00:06:08,916 --> 00:06:09,833 These are the kind of 175 00:06:09,833 --> 00:06:10,875 the movers and the shakers. 176 00:06:11,041 --> 00:06:13,041 I mean, literally the difference between 177 00:06:13,041 --> 00:06:14,708 your average person, the high performer, 178 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:16,500 is somebody who just says, I don't want 179 00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:18,125 to sit back and let it out around me. 180 00:06:18,625 --> 00:06:19,500 You know, I want to be 181 00:06:19,500 --> 00:06:20,666 an atmosphere changer. 182 00:06:20,875 --> 00:06:22,125 I want to get in there and 183 00:06:22,125 --> 00:06:23,625 do something I want to make. 184 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,375 I want to put my footprint on life. 185 00:06:26,625 --> 00:06:27,666 I want to change things. 186 00:06:28,208 --> 00:06:28,916 You know, you don't want to. 187 00:06:29,083 --> 00:06:31,291 You know something in science, I've 188 00:06:31,291 --> 00:06:32,166 studied a lot in science. 189 00:06:32,666 --> 00:06:33,916 So in science, so we had mainstream 190 00:06:33,916 --> 00:06:36,500 science and then we had peer review. 191 00:06:36,500 --> 00:06:37,041 It's great. 192 00:06:37,041 --> 00:06:38,166 Fantastic peer review. 193 00:06:38,166 --> 00:06:39,625 But if we only stuck with peer review, 194 00:06:40,041 --> 00:06:41,250 we'd still be stuck with candles. 195 00:06:41,250 --> 00:06:42,083 We'd be a country of 196 00:06:42,083 --> 00:06:43,166 amazing candlemakers. 197 00:06:43,416 --> 00:06:43,875 We wouldn't have had the light bulb. 198 00:06:43,916 --> 00:06:45,375 We wouldn't have had any of these 199 00:06:45,375 --> 00:06:46,875 fantastic inventions 200 00:06:46,875 --> 00:06:48,166 that came from the fringes. 201 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,291 So I sort of like that. 202 00:06:50,500 --> 00:06:52,375 And I think I like these high performers 203 00:06:52,375 --> 00:06:55,250 because some of them are a bit out there. 204 00:06:55,250 --> 00:06:56,916 But you know something, I love them all 205 00:06:56,916 --> 00:06:59,000 because it brings us all together and it 206 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,166 pushes the development. 207 00:07:00,166 --> 00:07:00,625 You know what I mean? 208 00:07:01,041 --> 00:07:01,708 And in business, I 209 00:07:01,708 --> 00:07:02,708 think it's really good. 210 00:07:03,125 --> 00:07:05,166 I think people are developing in business 211 00:07:05,166 --> 00:07:08,000 now and the businesses start small and 212 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,458 they can grow if you can scale it well. 213 00:07:09,458 --> 00:07:09,916 You know what I mean? 214 00:07:09,916 --> 00:07:10,875 They can grow very quickly. 215 00:07:10,916 --> 00:07:13,500 But I don't want to see people burn out 216 00:07:13,500 --> 00:07:15,958 in the way to get in there. 217 00:07:16,708 --> 00:07:18,541 And whatever success looks like to you 218 00:07:18,541 --> 00:07:19,583 because it looks different 219 00:07:19,583 --> 00:07:20,833 to a lot of different people. 220 00:07:22,041 --> 00:07:24,000 So, you know, I want to help people get 221 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,541 to that place in life 222 00:07:25,541 --> 00:07:27,375 where they are successful. 223 00:07:27,666 --> 00:07:29,041 They can not just support the self and 224 00:07:29,041 --> 00:07:30,416 the families, but they can support 225 00:07:30,416 --> 00:07:31,458 communities and others and 226 00:07:31,458 --> 00:07:32,250 things, you know what I mean? 227 00:07:32,458 --> 00:07:33,291 In many ways. 228 00:07:34,916 --> 00:07:36,458 Yeah, that's the perfect answer. 229 00:07:36,750 --> 00:07:36,875 Thank you for that. 230 00:07:36,916 --> 00:07:39,791 Yeah, I suppose we may as well jump into 231 00:07:39,791 --> 00:07:41,500 burnout, what it is. 232 00:07:41,750 --> 00:07:42,958 I mean, I think it's a term 233 00:07:42,958 --> 00:07:44,625 most people are familiar with. 234 00:07:44,625 --> 00:07:45,291 Excuse me. 235 00:07:45,291 --> 00:07:46,500 Well, at least they've heard of it. 236 00:07:47,333 --> 00:07:48,958 Honestly, though, I don't think many 237 00:07:48,958 --> 00:07:51,000 people kind of really do know what it is. 238 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,416 I mean, I've got my thoughts, of course, 239 00:07:52,416 --> 00:07:55,375 and those having sort of a fairly strong 240 00:07:55,375 --> 00:07:57,458 biological underpinning, I suppose, and 241 00:07:57,458 --> 00:07:59,458 which I'd love to get your feedback on. 242 00:07:59,458 --> 00:08:01,541 However, I suppose, as you're in the hot 243 00:08:01,541 --> 00:08:04,416 seat, really, how do you define the term 244 00:08:04,416 --> 00:08:07,041 or slash the condition, what it really 245 00:08:07,041 --> 00:08:08,291 is, burnout, I mean? 246 00:08:10,916 --> 00:08:11,750 Burnout. 247 00:08:12,666 --> 00:08:14,166 And a really interesting question. 248 00:08:14,166 --> 00:08:15,625 Let me just start it with this. 249 00:08:15,625 --> 00:08:16,041 I had a really 250 00:08:16,041 --> 00:08:17,500 interesting question, right? 251 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,166 And somebody asked me, and they said, how 252 00:08:20,166 --> 00:08:21,416 do you work through burnout? 253 00:08:21,958 --> 00:08:23,083 I said, that's a really interesting 254 00:08:23,083 --> 00:08:25,333 question because you 255 00:08:25,333 --> 00:08:26,500 can't work through burnout. 256 00:08:27,375 --> 00:08:29,416 You have a built-in firewall, and that's 257 00:08:29,416 --> 00:08:31,625 called burnout, and it stops you from 258 00:08:31,625 --> 00:08:33,208 getting any further than that, because if 259 00:08:33,208 --> 00:08:34,958 you could, you'd get a 260 00:08:34,958 --> 00:08:37,125 complete adrenal failure. 261 00:08:37,416 --> 00:08:37,916 You'd get a 262 00:08:37,916 --> 00:08:41,000 complete...it's like loss of life. 263 00:08:41,208 --> 00:08:41,416 It's like an end of disease. 264 00:08:42,291 --> 00:08:42,541 Yes. 265 00:08:43,083 --> 00:08:43,583 It works. 266 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,875 It would allow you to decline very fast. 267 00:08:46,875 --> 00:08:50,166 It would allow you to basically hit your 268 00:08:50,166 --> 00:08:51,875 worst in the quickest possible time. 269 00:08:51,916 --> 00:08:55,083 So burnout's like your firewall, and it's 270 00:08:55,083 --> 00:08:56,375 stopping you from going 271 00:08:56,375 --> 00:08:57,875 any further beyond that. 272 00:08:57,875 --> 00:08:59,333 And there are symptoms and signs of 273 00:08:59,333 --> 00:09:01,416 burnout, and I think most 274 00:09:01,416 --> 00:09:02,833 of us know what them are. 275 00:09:03,208 --> 00:09:05,208 Now, this is how I define it. 276 00:09:05,625 --> 00:09:07,041 So I've got an 80-20 rule. 277 00:09:07,416 --> 00:09:09,083 It means for every 20% I 278 00:09:09,083 --> 00:09:10,958 put in, I get 80% back out. 279 00:09:11,416 --> 00:09:14,166 So my full concentration in my creative 280 00:09:14,166 --> 00:09:15,250 time has usually worked 281 00:09:15,250 --> 00:09:16,375 like in one-hour bursts. 282 00:09:17,250 --> 00:09:19,708 And I think I've got an attention span of 283 00:09:19,708 --> 00:09:21,500 full, 100% attention span 284 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:23,166 of about 40, 50 minutes. 285 00:09:23,875 --> 00:09:24,750 Is that practice principle? 286 00:09:25,250 --> 00:09:25,500 Yes. 287 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,541 So basically, when I'm working with this, 288 00:09:28,541 --> 00:09:33,416 I look at when I am being productive, if 289 00:09:33,416 --> 00:09:34,416 I'm creating something 290 00:09:34,416 --> 00:09:35,416 and I'm being productive. 291 00:09:35,416 --> 00:09:38,708 So I'm looking at creative thought, and 292 00:09:38,708 --> 00:09:39,875 I'm looking at what I'm putting in. 293 00:09:39,916 --> 00:09:41,875 And everybody time blocks the day-to-day, 294 00:09:41,875 --> 00:09:44,166 but you have got to time block your day 295 00:09:44,166 --> 00:09:45,458 in a way that's going 296 00:09:45,458 --> 00:09:46,583 to be productive for you. 297 00:09:47,208 --> 00:09:48,208 So you're using lots of 298 00:09:48,208 --> 00:09:49,291 little-- I do, anyway. 299 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:51,000 I use lots of little bursts. 300 00:09:51,666 --> 00:09:52,125 You know what I mean? 301 00:09:52,125 --> 00:09:54,208 So it's not that I do a little bit and 302 00:09:54,208 --> 00:09:55,250 have a little bit of a rest. 303 00:09:55,250 --> 00:09:58,083 I do something, and then I go into 304 00:09:58,083 --> 00:09:59,750 something else, which might be a little 305 00:09:59,750 --> 00:10:00,708 bit of a rest for me. 306 00:10:00,958 --> 00:10:02,291 So there might be something more physical 307 00:10:02,291 --> 00:10:03,291 than that is mental. 308 00:10:04,041 --> 00:10:06,083 And I'm usually working with this because 309 00:10:06,083 --> 00:10:08,458 the impact of actually doing something 310 00:10:08,458 --> 00:10:11,791 physical is when you do something 311 00:10:11,791 --> 00:10:13,208 physical, like if you do some resistance 312 00:10:13,208 --> 00:10:16,083 training, you're actually releasing BDNF, 313 00:10:16,083 --> 00:10:17,500 which is actually boosting your brain. 314 00:10:17,833 --> 00:10:18,458 You know, you're actually 315 00:10:18,458 --> 00:10:20,208 regrowing your brain cells. 316 00:10:20,625 --> 00:10:21,625 I mean, it's a proven thing. 317 00:10:21,625 --> 00:10:22,541 Now you can go anywhere. 318 00:10:22,541 --> 00:10:23,708 You can look at it on 319 00:10:23,708 --> 00:10:24,458 Google and whatever. 320 00:10:24,583 --> 00:10:25,875 And there's lots of other benefits. 321 00:10:25,916 --> 00:10:30,041 So I like to have the energetic bursts 322 00:10:30,041 --> 00:10:31,000 and things during the 323 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,208 day and like to put it in. 324 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:34,708 So I'll work for so long and then I go 325 00:10:34,708 --> 00:10:37,041 and have a power walk and then I'll go, 326 00:10:37,041 --> 00:10:38,833 you know, do some more work, some 327 00:10:38,833 --> 00:10:40,041 different work, some 328 00:10:40,041 --> 00:10:41,583 creative stuff maybe then. 329 00:10:42,416 --> 00:10:47,875 So my time it is, it's blocked into, you 330 00:10:47,875 --> 00:10:49,208 know, productive time and then things 331 00:10:49,208 --> 00:10:50,416 that I just need to do. 332 00:10:50,875 --> 00:10:55,625 You know what I mean? But the thing is, with the way I look at 333 00:10:55,625 --> 00:10:56,583 it with the 80-20 rule 334 00:10:56,583 --> 00:10:58,041 is like, is if I'm on it, 335 00:10:59,541 --> 00:11:02,916 I can usually put 20% in and get 80% back 336 00:11:02,916 --> 00:11:04,125 and it's usually creative. 337 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:08,416 Now, when this starts to fade, that 338 00:11:08,416 --> 00:11:10,208 becomes like 50-50 and then it can 339 00:11:10,208 --> 00:11:12,750 reverse and it can be the 80-20 and put 340 00:11:12,750 --> 00:11:14,666 80% in, getting 20% back. 341 00:11:15,333 --> 00:11:17,791 That happened, surprisingly enough, that 342 00:11:17,791 --> 00:11:21,875 happened about eight weeks ago because I 343 00:11:21,875 --> 00:11:24,541 were putting that much stuff together and 344 00:11:24,541 --> 00:11:27,000 I were looking into new things and I were 345 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,416 doing a couple of plans, couple of 346 00:11:30,416 --> 00:11:31,375 blueprints for people. 347 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,333 And so I'm working and I'm doing like, 348 00:11:34,333 --> 00:11:36,208 you just eight hours back to back and 349 00:11:36,208 --> 00:11:37,750 then I'm like working into the evening 350 00:11:37,750 --> 00:11:39,333 and I'm getting printouts and things. 351 00:11:39,875 --> 00:11:42,750 And I'm thinking, you know, going to the 352 00:11:42,750 --> 00:11:44,208 gym was not a joy for me. 353 00:11:44,625 --> 00:11:46,416 For a little short period of 354 00:11:46,416 --> 00:11:47,875 time, it was not a joy for me. 355 00:11:47,916 --> 00:11:53,166 So basically, now, as a high performer 356 00:11:53,166 --> 00:11:56,500 myself, I'm on the sort of cusp of I 357 00:11:56,500 --> 00:12:00,541 don't have to push it too far before I 358 00:12:00,541 --> 00:12:01,583 could go into burnout. 359 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,666 So that's why things I know we'll talk 360 00:12:03,666 --> 00:12:05,250 about later, the supplementation, the 361 00:12:05,250 --> 00:12:05,916 lifestyle, the other 362 00:12:05,916 --> 00:12:06,833 things and what have you. 363 00:12:07,375 --> 00:12:09,083 And it's difficult for somebody like me 364 00:12:09,083 --> 00:12:10,833 and other high performers to sort of 365 00:12:10,833 --> 00:12:13,208 reign it back in and say, there you go, 366 00:12:13,208 --> 00:12:13,875 have this quiet life. 367 00:12:13,916 --> 00:12:15,666 It's like, no, that's 368 00:12:15,666 --> 00:12:17,000 just dumb and boring. 369 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,583 I feel like I'm wasting my life. 370 00:12:18,833 --> 00:12:20,458 I feel like I'm waiting to expire. 371 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,125 So I've got to be doing 372 00:12:22,125 --> 00:12:23,916 something all the time. 373 00:12:23,916 --> 00:12:26,916 I'm not ADHD in that, but I am somebody. 374 00:12:27,208 --> 00:12:29,458 My brain is lit up all the time. 375 00:12:30,625 --> 00:12:33,583 So I find it difficult to do nothing. 376 00:12:34,208 --> 00:12:35,375 So I really do 377 00:12:35,375 --> 00:12:36,875 identify with these people. 378 00:12:37,916 --> 00:12:41,083 But I find that I get the I can just go 379 00:12:41,083 --> 00:12:42,000 down a list of things. 380 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:42,416 Right. 381 00:12:42,416 --> 00:12:43,875 So basically, it's a lack of 382 00:12:43,875 --> 00:12:46,041 focus, a lack of enthusiasm. 383 00:12:46,833 --> 00:12:47,833 If I'm lacking in the 384 00:12:47,833 --> 00:12:49,000 uses, I'm like, why? 385 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:50,458 I always ask the wise. 386 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,541 And I would encourage that with anybody. 387 00:12:52,833 --> 00:12:53,666 I ask yourself why? 388 00:12:54,125 --> 00:12:54,791 Because your wise is 389 00:12:54,791 --> 00:12:56,166 your own way to start with. 390 00:12:56,500 --> 00:12:57,416 You know, I mean, but 391 00:12:57,416 --> 00:12:58,500 there's lack of clarity. 392 00:12:58,791 --> 00:13:00,208 So, you know, there's lack 393 00:13:00,208 --> 00:13:01,750 of focus and lack of clarity. 394 00:13:01,750 --> 00:13:03,708 So focus, I can't focus on the thing. 395 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,291 And clarity is what I'm seeing. 396 00:13:05,916 --> 00:13:06,916 What's coming back to me. 397 00:13:06,916 --> 00:13:07,750 So I'm getting that. 398 00:13:07,750 --> 00:13:09,291 So some people call that brain fog. 399 00:13:10,333 --> 00:13:11,916 And then there's decreased output. 400 00:13:12,666 --> 00:13:14,666 So there's what what can I actually do? 401 00:13:14,666 --> 00:13:15,625 You know, it's like my 402 00:13:15,625 --> 00:13:17,750 output, physical as well as mental. 403 00:13:18,416 --> 00:13:20,750 And then the equation to that is every 404 00:13:20,750 --> 00:13:22,958 day tasks become harder till eventually 405 00:13:22,958 --> 00:13:25,250 I'm sat there and I'm staring into space 406 00:13:25,250 --> 00:13:27,083 like for a couple of minutes at a time 407 00:13:27,083 --> 00:13:28,500 thinking, what am I doing? 408 00:13:29,041 --> 00:13:29,666 You know what I mean? 409 00:13:29,666 --> 00:13:30,625 And that's when it says to 410 00:13:30,625 --> 00:13:32,250 me, right, that's burnout. 411 00:13:32,500 --> 00:13:33,750 You've just encountered burnout. 412 00:13:34,541 --> 00:13:37,125 So it's a complete rest from the things 413 00:13:37,125 --> 00:13:39,541 that are causing your burnout and then go 414 00:13:39,541 --> 00:13:40,458 and enjoy the things 415 00:13:40,458 --> 00:13:41,791 that give you a great input. 416 00:13:42,708 --> 00:13:44,166 You know, so whatever they may be. 417 00:13:44,166 --> 00:13:45,666 So I did a little bit a little bit of 418 00:13:45,666 --> 00:13:48,500 work in the gym and I went out and did 419 00:13:48,500 --> 00:13:50,791 some walks and different things and, you 420 00:13:50,791 --> 00:13:53,208 know, went for a drive and, you know, I'd 421 00:13:53,208 --> 00:13:54,250 add some organic 422 00:13:54,250 --> 00:13:54,875 coffee and things like that. 423 00:13:55,500 --> 00:13:58,250 Just little, little, little, little, 424 00:13:58,250 --> 00:14:00,958 little fixes, little, little fixer ups 425 00:14:00,958 --> 00:14:01,791 things, you know what I mean? 426 00:14:02,041 --> 00:14:04,541 And looking at another thing as well is I 427 00:14:04,541 --> 00:14:08,000 have I do I do brain gym and some people 428 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,666 just say, oh, you're just playing games. 429 00:14:09,666 --> 00:14:11,333 I'm like, no, playing games. 430 00:14:11,958 --> 00:14:14,416 They actually teach you to look for the 431 00:14:14,416 --> 00:14:16,250 things that you can't see because if 432 00:14:16,250 --> 00:14:17,500 you're trying to solve the problem and 433 00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:18,125 you're just going like, 434 00:14:19,250 --> 00:14:21,458 yeah, it's like, this is 435 00:14:21,458 --> 00:14:22,875 the questions that I ask. 436 00:14:23,166 --> 00:14:23,958 What am I missing? 437 00:14:24,500 --> 00:14:26,416 What is it that I am not seeing that's 438 00:14:26,416 --> 00:14:27,375 hiding in plain sight? 439 00:14:27,916 --> 00:14:29,166 And these things help you 440 00:14:29,166 --> 00:14:31,416 to see the bigger picture. 441 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,416 It's like playing two tier chess. 442 00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:35,791 You know what I mean? 443 00:14:35,791 --> 00:14:36,500 You're not just looking at 444 00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:37,458 when you're looking at two. 445 00:14:37,458 --> 00:14:39,083 So these things and you start smaller on 446 00:14:39,083 --> 00:14:40,291 these games and they 447 00:14:40,291 --> 00:14:41,166 become bigger and bigger. 448 00:14:41,416 --> 00:14:43,083 So I do that and I do that a couple of 449 00:14:43,083 --> 00:14:43,875 times during the day. 450 00:14:43,916 --> 00:14:47,166 And now I'm really quick on the games and 451 00:14:47,166 --> 00:14:48,958 I can complete games like in a couple of 452 00:14:48,958 --> 00:14:54,000 minutes before it took about, oh, twelve 453 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,041 minutes, twenty minutes. 454 00:14:55,625 --> 00:14:55,958 Fair enough. 455 00:14:56,333 --> 00:14:57,875 So in a nutshell, just for the audience, 456 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,000 you would sort of define burnout as the 457 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,000 as the disproportionate amount of effort 458 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,500 required to get the same results that you 459 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:09,208 previously got for a lesser amount of 460 00:15:09,208 --> 00:15:10,875 effort when it comes to being productive. 461 00:15:10,916 --> 00:15:12,416 If you were to sort of 462 00:15:12,416 --> 00:15:13,750 summarize it in one sentence. 463 00:15:14,208 --> 00:15:14,416 Yeah. 464 00:15:14,750 --> 00:15:14,958 Yeah. 465 00:15:15,041 --> 00:15:16,791 And then obviously, along with that, 466 00:15:16,791 --> 00:15:17,875 you're going to get symptoms like 467 00:15:17,875 --> 00:15:20,458 fatigue, brain fog, depression, sort of 468 00:15:20,458 --> 00:15:22,833 this anhedonia, lack of desire to want to 469 00:15:22,833 --> 00:15:24,750 do stuff, et cetera. 470 00:15:25,083 --> 00:15:25,916 OK, perfect. 471 00:15:26,916 --> 00:15:28,791 So, yeah, just to carry on from that. 472 00:15:29,833 --> 00:15:30,791 Let me use an example. 473 00:15:30,791 --> 00:15:31,750 So I've got a friend I've 474 00:15:31,750 --> 00:15:32,750 been helping out at the moment. 475 00:15:33,416 --> 00:15:34,583 He's been through a bit recently. 476 00:15:35,041 --> 00:15:37,291 Some physical issues, of course, and then 477 00:15:37,291 --> 00:15:38,875 just a really high stress load. 478 00:15:39,916 --> 00:15:43,458 Really, he fits into this demographic, 479 00:15:43,875 --> 00:15:45,083 actually, this high achiever demographic. 480 00:15:45,333 --> 00:15:47,458 He's in his early fifties, very a type, 481 00:15:47,458 --> 00:15:48,625 very driven to succeed. 482 00:15:49,125 --> 00:15:51,375 We've been down a lot of rabbit holes in 483 00:15:51,375 --> 00:15:52,166 conversation together. 484 00:15:52,458 --> 00:15:54,375 And he really is the epitome of somebody 485 00:15:54,375 --> 00:15:57,041 who's burnt the candle at both ends. 486 00:15:57,041 --> 00:15:58,291 Heck, I mean, if there's a third end, 487 00:15:58,291 --> 00:15:59,791 he'd probably try and burn that, too. 488 00:16:00,333 --> 00:16:00,875 Oh, he'd torture. 489 00:16:01,916 --> 00:16:04,458 Maybe an obvious question, but how does 490 00:16:04,458 --> 00:16:07,125 this sort of this drive for achievement 491 00:16:07,125 --> 00:16:09,625 just amplify the perceived level of 492 00:16:09,625 --> 00:16:11,666 stress that ultimately ends up with 493 00:16:11,666 --> 00:16:16,125 individuals like him burning out and in 494 00:16:16,125 --> 00:16:16,875 the hole, so to speak? 495 00:16:17,916 --> 00:16:22,125 This is an interesting one, because I 496 00:16:22,125 --> 00:16:23,875 could only answer this 497 00:16:23,875 --> 00:16:26,625 from what I found in me first. 498 00:16:27,291 --> 00:16:29,291 And then I just thought, well, if that's 499 00:16:29,291 --> 00:16:31,500 my case, then is it is 500 00:16:31,500 --> 00:16:33,000 that the same in other people? 501 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,250 And I measured this variable. 502 00:16:34,541 --> 00:16:35,333 And yes, it is. 503 00:16:35,916 --> 00:16:37,125 When you're doing something that you love 504 00:16:37,125 --> 00:16:39,166 and you're passionate about, you've got 505 00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:40,541 more chance of burning out in that 506 00:16:40,541 --> 00:16:42,625 without realizing that you're burning out 507 00:16:42,625 --> 00:16:44,875 because stress is perceived pressure. 508 00:16:44,916 --> 00:16:47,291 So it's how you feel internally about 509 00:16:47,291 --> 00:16:48,500 what you're facing externally. 510 00:16:49,250 --> 00:16:50,458 But you know, when you love what you're 511 00:16:50,458 --> 00:16:51,875 doing, I mean, when you're passionate 512 00:16:51,875 --> 00:16:52,833 about it and you love what 513 00:16:52,833 --> 00:16:54,375 you're doing, it's no stress. 514 00:16:54,791 --> 00:16:55,375 It's a joy. 515 00:16:55,916 --> 00:16:57,041 It's a joy to do it. 516 00:16:57,041 --> 00:16:58,000 So you'll keep doing it. 517 00:16:58,208 --> 00:16:59,416 So you'll keep going and you'll keep 518 00:16:59,416 --> 00:17:00,458 going and you'll miss a meal 519 00:17:00,458 --> 00:17:02,375 and you'll miss some time out. 520 00:17:03,166 --> 00:17:05,750 And the problem with that is, is that you 521 00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:07,625 are actually going towards stress because 522 00:17:07,625 --> 00:17:09,833 your body recognizes all these stresses, 523 00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:12,250 all these internal things, but you don't 524 00:17:12,250 --> 00:17:14,875 feel stressed because that kind of stress 525 00:17:14,875 --> 00:17:16,208 is not an internal job. 526 00:17:16,625 --> 00:17:19,416 You're basically encountering these 527 00:17:19,416 --> 00:17:20,375 stress things and these 528 00:17:20,375 --> 00:17:21,500 tiredness and what have you. 529 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:25,000 So you can eventually hit this wall of 530 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,875 burnout without even knowing it. 531 00:17:27,500 --> 00:17:32,541 So I would say that has been the biggest 532 00:17:32,541 --> 00:17:37,250 lesson for me to learn in the because I 533 00:17:37,250 --> 00:17:40,833 found things I was so passionate about 534 00:17:40,833 --> 00:17:42,791 and so purpose driven. 535 00:17:43,250 --> 00:17:45,125 And I loved what I were doing so much 536 00:17:45,125 --> 00:17:47,875 that it was no stress to me. 537 00:17:47,875 --> 00:17:49,041 And the pressure, there was 538 00:17:49,041 --> 00:17:50,458 no real perceived pressure. 539 00:17:50,458 --> 00:17:52,000 It's like, yeah, I can do this. 540 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,500 I'll just really, it's 541 00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:54,625 like, yeah, I'll run all day. 542 00:17:54,916 --> 00:17:56,083 And that's what it was. 543 00:17:56,083 --> 00:17:56,750 And I will like that. 544 00:17:56,750 --> 00:17:57,458 And then the next thing 545 00:17:57,458 --> 00:17:58,708 is like, what's happening? 546 00:17:59,250 --> 00:17:59,708 What's happening? 547 00:18:00,041 --> 00:18:02,166 So you've still got to pace yourself. 548 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,750 And that's what I would say, because the 549 00:18:04,750 --> 00:18:07,041 older you get, the more determined you 550 00:18:07,041 --> 00:18:11,708 are and the more experienced you are. 551 00:18:12,541 --> 00:18:14,791 And sometimes that can work a little bit 552 00:18:14,791 --> 00:18:16,291 against you because you think you know. 553 00:18:16,916 --> 00:18:18,500 But the one thing that I have learned is 554 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:21,125 that the more I think I know, the less I 555 00:18:21,125 --> 00:18:23,250 know about what I think I know. 556 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,125 And it's a bit of an enigma in that. 557 00:18:26,125 --> 00:18:27,125 But the point is, it's 558 00:18:27,125 --> 00:18:29,041 like when Socrates said, 559 00:18:30,625 --> 00:18:32,541 oh, good to me, what is quote now? 560 00:18:34,708 --> 00:18:35,291 I forgot. 561 00:18:35,291 --> 00:18:35,833 I forgot. 562 00:18:35,833 --> 00:18:36,500 I've got a brain fog. 563 00:18:36,875 --> 00:18:40,375 But the basic premise of it, I haven't. 564 00:18:40,375 --> 00:18:41,083 I've just like, it just 565 00:18:41,083 --> 00:18:42,125 slips my mind in the moment. 566 00:18:42,916 --> 00:18:48,458 The basic premise is that when you think 567 00:18:48,458 --> 00:18:50,875 you know, there's a lot more that you 568 00:18:50,875 --> 00:18:52,541 don't know that you could know. 569 00:18:54,125 --> 00:18:55,250 The only true knowledge 570 00:18:55,250 --> 00:18:56,875 exists in knowing we know nothing. 571 00:18:57,708 --> 00:18:58,541 So that's where he 572 00:18:58,541 --> 00:19:00,000 basically explains it from. 573 00:19:00,541 --> 00:19:02,083 So when you think you know it, and it's 574 00:19:02,083 --> 00:19:03,583 like, yeah, you think you're a bit of a 575 00:19:03,583 --> 00:19:05,375 self-proclaimed expert in this now. 576 00:19:05,958 --> 00:19:07,208 And it's like, there's so much more that 577 00:19:07,208 --> 00:19:08,250 you don't know about that. 578 00:19:08,916 --> 00:19:11,541 Because when I think about science, I was 579 00:19:11,541 --> 00:19:13,416 like, remember the fact that a friend of 580 00:19:13,416 --> 00:19:14,666 mine were telling me, a scientist friend 581 00:19:14,666 --> 00:19:16,750 of mine, he says that as scientists, we 582 00:19:16,750 --> 00:19:18,333 don't truly understand water yet. 583 00:19:19,333 --> 00:19:21,041 We don't understand why the water 584 00:19:21,041 --> 00:19:23,500 molecule H, you know, the H2O, when you 585 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:25,750 think about that hydrogen and oxygen and 586 00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:27,166 white form something that's wet that 587 00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:28,166 quenches your thirst that 588 00:19:28,166 --> 00:19:29,583 takes up 80% of your body. 589 00:19:31,291 --> 00:19:34,833 So I just think that explains it for me. 590 00:19:35,916 --> 00:19:37,625 Yeah, so sort of the Dunning-Kruger 591 00:19:37,625 --> 00:19:38,958 effect to an extent, would you say? 592 00:19:39,583 --> 00:19:41,708 The idea that I suppose it's a cognitive 593 00:19:41,708 --> 00:19:44,125 bias where people believe that their 594 00:19:44,125 --> 00:19:48,125 ability to excel in a specific area, and 595 00:19:48,125 --> 00:19:50,000 they've got a low ability in that area to 596 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,833 begin with is, and then they sort of tend 597 00:19:52,833 --> 00:19:53,833 to overestimate their own 598 00:19:53,833 --> 00:19:54,833 abilities, consequently, 599 00:19:56,125 --> 00:19:59,791 and end up sort of, yeah, in that sort of 600 00:19:59,791 --> 00:20:00,875 that loophole, essentially. 601 00:20:01,416 --> 00:20:02,666 Okay, yeah, that's perfect. 602 00:20:03,708 --> 00:20:06,125 Okay, I'd like to sort of maybe say we're 603 00:20:06,125 --> 00:20:09,166 into chatting about some of the 604 00:20:09,166 --> 00:20:12,833 physiological side of burnout, the 605 00:20:12,833 --> 00:20:14,875 biological endopinings, you might say. 606 00:20:14,916 --> 00:20:17,000 Now, I know there are a lot of theories 607 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,375 out there as to why people burn out 608 00:20:19,375 --> 00:20:21,166 physiologically, and just for the 609 00:20:21,166 --> 00:20:24,000 audience, what is happening to biology on 610 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,750 neurology when we are burning out, 611 00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:28,625 including the downregulation of hormones, 612 00:20:28,916 --> 00:20:30,250 the dysregulation of the circadian 613 00:20:30,250 --> 00:20:34,125 rhythm, which is our daylight cycle and 614 00:20:34,125 --> 00:20:35,250 how we sort of move 615 00:20:35,250 --> 00:20:36,125 from one to the other. 616 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,708 Now, all of this is governed by something 617 00:20:38,708 --> 00:20:39,791 I'm sure you know, called the 618 00:20:39,791 --> 00:20:41,958 hypothalamic pituitary axis or the HPA. 619 00:20:42,916 --> 00:20:44,833 Can you work us through this stress 620 00:20:44,833 --> 00:20:47,375 system in the body, what the HPA is, and 621 00:20:47,375 --> 00:20:49,250 then fundamentally, why it goes wrong? 622 00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:53,708 As soon as you start applying stress to 623 00:20:53,708 --> 00:20:56,333 your body, so your body's working 624 00:20:56,333 --> 00:20:57,291 normally, you would normally 625 00:20:57,291 --> 00:20:58,708 have a fat burning pathway. 626 00:20:59,875 --> 00:21:03,000 When you go into a stress situation, 627 00:21:03,333 --> 00:21:05,166 you're going to, there's two things 628 00:21:05,166 --> 00:21:05,958 that's going to happen. 629 00:21:06,916 --> 00:21:07,083 You're going to 630 00:21:07,083 --> 00:21:09,000 stimulate glucocorticoids. 631 00:21:09,625 --> 00:21:10,791 So basically, you're going to come 632 00:21:10,791 --> 00:21:12,583 straight out of normal regular fat 633 00:21:12,583 --> 00:21:13,875 burning, and you're going 634 00:21:13,875 --> 00:21:15,208 to go into burning glucose. 635 00:21:15,791 --> 00:21:16,958 This is going to affect 636 00:21:16,958 --> 00:21:18,208 your energy straight away. 637 00:21:18,791 --> 00:21:20,583 So this is why people who are in stress 638 00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:23,958 quite a long time, they don't tend to be 639 00:21:23,958 --> 00:21:25,041 able to lose body fat and 640 00:21:25,041 --> 00:21:26,500 they have a lot of visceral fat. 641 00:21:26,916 --> 00:21:31,291 So when we send them for body statting on 642 00:21:31,291 --> 00:21:33,541 a DEXA scan, we find that they're usually 643 00:21:33,541 --> 00:21:35,166 quite heavy in the visceral fat around 644 00:21:35,166 --> 00:21:36,791 the middle area and things like that. 645 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,750 And if they are tested in that, 646 00:21:40,791 --> 00:21:46,750 they find that there's a lot of 647 00:21:46,750 --> 00:21:49,666 indicators that are indicating stress in 648 00:21:49,666 --> 00:21:50,958 their life in one way or another. 649 00:21:51,916 --> 00:21:54,166 The obvious outcomes, I want to keep 650 00:21:54,166 --> 00:21:55,500 straight to the point, the obvious 651 00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:57,916 outcomes in this is like, when you're in 652 00:21:57,916 --> 00:21:59,916 this area, there's a lot of things like 653 00:21:59,916 --> 00:22:01,750 your insulin spikes, which is going to 654 00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:02,708 shut off your fat burning. 655 00:22:02,958 --> 00:22:04,541 These are things when people are coming 656 00:22:04,541 --> 00:22:07,041 to me and they're saying, "Why am I 657 00:22:07,041 --> 00:22:09,041 gaining weight and I'm eating less?" 658 00:22:09,833 --> 00:22:10,958 And I'm saying, "Well, 659 00:22:10,958 --> 00:22:12,875 this is the big thing." 660 00:22:12,916 --> 00:22:14,458 So basically, 661 00:22:15,791 --> 00:22:17,833 the number one thing that insulin does is 662 00:22:17,833 --> 00:22:19,625 it prevents fat burning because you go 663 00:22:19,625 --> 00:22:20,291 straight into that 664 00:22:20,291 --> 00:22:21,625 glucocorticoid pathway. 665 00:22:22,416 --> 00:22:25,541 So you're basically getting the adipose. 666 00:22:26,166 --> 00:22:27,916 You can end up with skinny fat because 667 00:22:27,916 --> 00:22:28,916 you can actually burn 668 00:22:28,916 --> 00:22:30,666 muscle out with this as well. 669 00:22:31,375 --> 00:22:35,250 So the stress hormone addiction, that's a 670 00:22:35,250 --> 00:22:37,375 big one that I've come across because 671 00:22:37,375 --> 00:22:38,875 people just say, "No, I'm not." 672 00:22:38,916 --> 00:22:41,166 And I said, "Well, why are you 673 00:22:41,166 --> 00:22:42,791 self-sabotaging because you're working 674 00:22:42,791 --> 00:22:45,166 into situations like this that 675 00:22:45,166 --> 00:22:46,666 basically give you this buzz. 676 00:22:46,666 --> 00:22:48,625 So you're getting this adrenaline buzz 677 00:22:48,625 --> 00:22:49,833 that's attached to the cortisol. 678 00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:52,416 So you're creating, you're looking for 679 00:22:52,416 --> 00:22:54,250 the situations that are actually creating 680 00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:56,000 this and you're loving it and you're 681 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:56,750 chasing after it 682 00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:58,000 without even realizing it." 683 00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:00,000 So, you know, that's the other thing. 684 00:23:00,541 --> 00:23:02,541 The poor sleep, as it leads into that, I 685 00:23:02,541 --> 00:23:03,875 mean, these are all the outcomes of it. 686 00:23:03,916 --> 00:23:07,541 The poor sleep, well, if you've been 687 00:23:07,541 --> 00:23:09,750 racing all day and your 688 00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:11,416 cortisol levels are up, 689 00:23:12,791 --> 00:23:14,791 so you're going to find it 690 00:23:14,791 --> 00:23:16,791 difficult to sleep at night. 691 00:23:18,583 --> 00:23:21,375 And that's going to be either difficult 692 00:23:21,375 --> 00:23:23,125 to go into sleep or 693 00:23:23,125 --> 00:23:24,875 difficult to stay in a sleep. 694 00:23:24,916 --> 00:23:26,791 And the other thing as well, if your fat 695 00:23:26,791 --> 00:23:28,208 burning pathways are not working 696 00:23:28,208 --> 00:23:29,750 properly, you're going to 697 00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:33,791 be functioning on glucose. 698 00:23:34,750 --> 00:23:36,416 So if you go to bed on glucose, I 699 00:23:36,416 --> 00:23:37,625 guarantee you that 700 00:23:37,625 --> 00:23:39,750 you're going to spike insulin. 701 00:23:40,416 --> 00:23:42,416 So that's going to get you up two to 702 00:23:42,416 --> 00:23:43,958 three times during the night. 703 00:23:43,958 --> 00:23:45,458 So that's going to be sleep disturbances. 704 00:23:47,208 --> 00:23:48,541 And then when you wake up in the morning, 705 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,250 the thing is, right, most people think 706 00:23:51,250 --> 00:23:52,458 the day begins with the morning. 707 00:23:52,916 --> 00:23:55,125 Well, when you think about when morning 708 00:23:55,125 --> 00:23:56,750 begins, it's a minute after midnight. 709 00:23:57,541 --> 00:23:58,000 Yeah, definitely. 710 00:23:58,416 --> 00:23:59,833 I'd love to come back to those morning 711 00:23:59,833 --> 00:24:01,250 routines a little later on, too. 712 00:24:01,625 --> 00:24:01,833 Yeah. 713 00:24:02,041 --> 00:24:04,000 So that's the main thing 714 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,125 that I'm looking at there. 715 00:24:05,125 --> 00:24:06,166 So if you set yourself up 716 00:24:06,166 --> 00:24:07,291 for a good night's sleep. 717 00:24:07,875 --> 00:24:09,375 A good night's sleep 718 00:24:09,375 --> 00:24:10,583 starts the morning before. 719 00:24:10,583 --> 00:24:11,625 That's your data, isn't it? 720 00:24:12,125 --> 00:24:13,000 That's it. 721 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,541 That's exactly as I see it. 722 00:24:14,958 --> 00:24:15,416 Yeah, definitely. 723 00:24:16,166 --> 00:24:20,208 So again, just to summarize, you talk 724 00:24:20,208 --> 00:24:21,625 about glucocorticoids, which 725 00:24:21,625 --> 00:24:21,875 are hormones like cortisol. 726 00:24:22,916 --> 00:24:25,791 And in the brain, and correct me if I'm 727 00:24:25,791 --> 00:24:27,916 wrong, but the way I view it, you have 728 00:24:27,916 --> 00:24:30,208 this area of the brain called the 729 00:24:30,208 --> 00:24:33,000 hypothalamus, which then sends signals to 730 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,083 the pituitary gland, 731 00:24:34,083 --> 00:24:35,208 another brain region. 732 00:24:35,666 --> 00:24:38,541 This pituitary gland then signals the 733 00:24:38,541 --> 00:24:40,166 adrenal glands and other tissues in the 734 00:24:40,166 --> 00:24:42,416 body to produce a bunch of hormones, 735 00:24:42,916 --> 00:24:45,833 predominantly glucocorticoids, as you 736 00:24:45,833 --> 00:24:49,458 talked about, things like cortisol, as 737 00:24:49,458 --> 00:24:52,541 well as the catecholamines, things like 738 00:24:52,541 --> 00:24:54,166 adrenaline, non-dramnol, etc. 739 00:24:54,791 --> 00:24:57,416 And all of these molecules then work in 740 00:24:57,416 --> 00:24:59,333 the body in a positive 741 00:24:59,333 --> 00:25:00,500 way and a negative way. 742 00:25:00,875 --> 00:25:03,875 What they can do is they can support the 743 00:25:03,875 --> 00:25:04,875 production of energy. 744 00:25:04,916 --> 00:25:07,958 Cortisol works hypothetically at the 745 00:25:07,958 --> 00:25:11,708 level of the liver to produce a stored 746 00:25:11,708 --> 00:25:13,666 sugar, which then gets 747 00:25:13,666 --> 00:25:14,458 into the bloodstream. 748 00:25:15,958 --> 00:25:20,000 And then what happens is over time, if 749 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,125 this stress response isn't correctly 750 00:25:22,125 --> 00:25:24,916 controlled by the body, you end up with 751 00:25:24,916 --> 00:25:28,875 high levels consistently of these 752 00:25:28,875 --> 00:25:31,083 hormones that then create a lot of 753 00:25:31,083 --> 00:25:34,291 metabolic dysfunction, which can not only 754 00:25:34,291 --> 00:25:38,166 interfere with metabolism and, as you 755 00:25:38,166 --> 00:25:41,000 alluded to, things like muscle loss and 756 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,458 fat gain, etc., especially around the 757 00:25:43,458 --> 00:25:45,291 belly and around the thighs, where you 758 00:25:45,291 --> 00:25:46,166 have a lot of these 759 00:25:46,166 --> 00:25:47,958 places of cortisol combined to. 760 00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:52,208 But you also have a downregulation of the 761 00:25:52,208 --> 00:25:54,333 neuromodulators or neurotransmitters, 762 00:25:54,333 --> 00:25:56,958 such as dopamine, that then work in 763 00:25:56,958 --> 00:25:58,458 conjunction with these hormones. 764 00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:01,375 And consequently, as a result of this 765 00:26:01,375 --> 00:26:04,041 metabolic soup, this mess that's going on 766 00:26:04,041 --> 00:26:05,708 in your biology, you end 767 00:26:05,708 --> 00:26:08,625 up in this "burnt outstay". 768 00:26:08,833 --> 00:26:12,208 Would you say that that's just a fair 769 00:26:12,208 --> 00:26:14,833 overview from just a high level? 770 00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:16,041 Yeah, yeah. 771 00:26:16,125 --> 00:26:17,250 I mean, in the evening, 772 00:26:19,458 --> 00:26:26,333 you put together your thoughts in the 773 00:26:26,333 --> 00:26:28,791 day, you disassemble them at night, so 774 00:26:28,791 --> 00:26:30,916 when you're talking about catecholamines 775 00:26:30,916 --> 00:26:34,041 building up during the day, they have to 776 00:26:34,041 --> 00:26:36,000 be metabolized at night. 777 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,875 So obviously, you need to raise your 778 00:26:37,875 --> 00:26:39,666 serotonin levels, so you've got other 779 00:26:39,666 --> 00:26:40,833 things that are needed in there. 780 00:26:40,833 --> 00:26:42,791 So you've got your B2 that's 781 00:26:42,791 --> 00:26:45,208 needed, your B6 that's needed. 782 00:26:46,208 --> 00:26:47,875 And this is one of the things that I'm 783 00:26:47,875 --> 00:26:50,375 dealing with people at the moment with 784 00:26:50,375 --> 00:26:52,875 the methylation and the conversion. 785 00:26:52,916 --> 00:26:56,333 So the metabolizing, the catecholamines, 786 00:26:57,166 --> 00:26:58,041 the upregulating, the 787 00:26:58,041 --> 00:26:59,916 serotonin and things like that. 788 00:27:00,166 --> 00:27:01,958 So basically, they can sleep. 789 00:27:02,291 --> 00:27:05,000 This, that is the big pendulum swing. 790 00:27:05,916 --> 00:27:10,166 I'm facing quite a lot at the moment with 791 00:27:10,166 --> 00:27:12,833 people who are coming to me and saying, 792 00:27:13,541 --> 00:27:14,333 when I'm talking about 793 00:27:14,333 --> 00:27:15,583 it, like sleep hygiene. 794 00:27:15,916 --> 00:27:17,791 So that's everything that's taking 795 00:27:17,791 --> 00:27:23,208 somebody from actually preparing to sleep 796 00:27:23,208 --> 00:27:26,875 to actually trying to sleep in their 797 00:27:26,875 --> 00:27:28,416 case, you know what I mean, or not 798 00:27:28,416 --> 00:27:30,125 sleeping, whatever, and then getting into 799 00:27:30,125 --> 00:27:31,791 the next day tired because they think 800 00:27:31,791 --> 00:27:33,541 that they've not slept. 801 00:27:34,291 --> 00:27:36,000 They've just not had a great sleep. 802 00:27:36,708 --> 00:27:37,416 Yeah, definitely. 803 00:27:38,125 --> 00:27:38,875 No, that's great. 804 00:27:38,916 --> 00:27:41,416 I'd love to sort of come back to I think 805 00:27:41,416 --> 00:27:42,875 that falls under the sort of the forensic 806 00:27:42,875 --> 00:27:44,291 nutrition that you talked about that 807 00:27:44,291 --> 00:27:46,541 earlier, identifying sort of these key 808 00:27:46,541 --> 00:27:48,416 micronutrients that support the 809 00:27:48,416 --> 00:27:51,750 production of all the enzymes, all the in 810 00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:53,250 the body that then helped 811 00:27:53,250 --> 00:27:55,166 you to function optimally. 812 00:27:55,166 --> 00:27:56,583 And without these, you end up with this, 813 00:27:56,583 --> 00:27:59,458 this dig, dysregulated HPA 814 00:27:59,458 --> 00:28:01,625 axis, as we'll talk about earlier. 815 00:28:03,291 --> 00:28:04,833 Nick, I know mindset 816 00:28:04,833 --> 00:28:06,916 plays a huge role in this too. 817 00:28:07,125 --> 00:28:09,416 And it's almost, I mean, the way I see 818 00:28:09,416 --> 00:28:10,625 it, the mind and the body connected. 819 00:28:11,208 --> 00:28:14,666 So the same end, let's let's use another 820 00:28:14,666 --> 00:28:16,791 example, the same friend I was chatting 821 00:28:16,791 --> 00:28:20,166 to earlier, we were talking about about 822 00:28:20,166 --> 00:28:22,458 stress, not being anything more than a 823 00:28:22,458 --> 00:28:24,500 perceived state that our 824 00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:26,500 biology then reacts to. 825 00:28:26,916 --> 00:28:30,833 An example there could be a child who is 826 00:28:30,833 --> 00:28:34,500 made to work in an underage capacity, say 827 00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:36,041 they're 12 year olds and they're in sort 828 00:28:36,041 --> 00:28:37,458 of they're in manual labor. 829 00:28:37,458 --> 00:28:39,208 They're not necessarily enforced labor, 830 00:28:39,208 --> 00:28:40,708 but they're in manual labor. 831 00:28:41,208 --> 00:28:44,000 Now, the way I see that a few hundred 832 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,791 years ago, that would be 833 00:28:45,791 --> 00:28:47,791 considered completely normal. 834 00:28:48,541 --> 00:28:51,458 And in the large parts of third world, 835 00:28:51,458 --> 00:28:52,875 that is considered completely normal. 836 00:28:52,916 --> 00:28:57,041 Now, in modern society in the UK and 837 00:28:57,041 --> 00:28:59,625 America, the first world, where children 838 00:28:59,625 --> 00:29:00,583 grow up with this 839 00:29:00,583 --> 00:29:02,500 understanding that that's bad. 840 00:29:03,041 --> 00:29:05,166 If they then end up in a situation like 841 00:29:05,166 --> 00:29:07,833 that, they then end up with a very high 842 00:29:07,833 --> 00:29:10,750 stress load and potentially the ability 843 00:29:10,750 --> 00:29:12,041 to sort of develop this 844 00:29:12,041 --> 00:29:12,875 sort of trauma response. 845 00:29:13,916 --> 00:29:16,583 Now, point being is and of course, that's 846 00:29:16,583 --> 00:29:19,833 a sweeping statement, but that our minds 847 00:29:19,833 --> 00:29:24,125 dictate to a large extent what we 848 00:29:24,125 --> 00:29:26,333 perceive to be stress and what we then 849 00:29:26,333 --> 00:29:27,375 perceive to be trauma. 850 00:29:27,833 --> 00:29:30,916 And I know that there's obviously there's 851 00:29:30,916 --> 00:29:31,875 a very much a connection there. 852 00:29:32,916 --> 00:29:37,416 My point in all of this is really to me 853 00:29:37,416 --> 00:29:39,541 that highlights the fact that our 854 00:29:39,541 --> 00:29:44,625 perception of stress ultimately governs 855 00:29:44,625 --> 00:29:46,625 how that stress will then affect our 856 00:29:46,625 --> 00:29:47,750 physiology, if that makes 857 00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:48,458 sense in your following. 858 00:29:49,125 --> 00:29:53,166 Do you agree with this that A, well, A, 859 00:29:53,291 --> 00:29:55,958 that the mind and the body are linked in 860 00:29:55,958 --> 00:29:58,458 terms of bringing this back to burnout, 861 00:29:58,833 --> 00:30:02,125 well, burnout, and then B, do you think 862 00:30:02,125 --> 00:30:05,291 our perceived understanding of what 863 00:30:05,291 --> 00:30:08,416 stress is going back to what you said 864 00:30:08,416 --> 00:30:12,208 earlier, really, about stress is only a 865 00:30:12,208 --> 00:30:14,041 stress if we perceive it to be a stress, 866 00:30:14,291 --> 00:30:15,750 i.e. if, sorry, and this is going down 867 00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:17,875 many reptiles and getting convoluted. 868 00:30:17,916 --> 00:30:19,750 But if we enjoy something, it's 869 00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:21,875 consequently not seen as a stress, 870 00:30:21,875 --> 00:30:24,416 although the body doesn't isn't able to 871 00:30:24,416 --> 00:30:25,333 differentiate that 872 00:30:25,333 --> 00:30:28,041 necessarily at a fine level. 873 00:30:28,791 --> 00:30:30,125 So bring it all together. 874 00:30:31,625 --> 00:30:32,583 A, do you agree with me? 875 00:30:32,583 --> 00:30:33,291 If not, that's fine. 876 00:30:33,708 --> 00:30:37,208 B, do you think that we are that the way 877 00:30:37,208 --> 00:30:39,500 we identify our stress in 878 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:41,291 life affects physiology? 879 00:30:42,166 --> 00:30:45,041 And then C, how do you view this whole 880 00:30:45,041 --> 00:30:45,875 mind-body connection? 881 00:30:46,916 --> 00:30:50,000 On the most, I agree with you. 882 00:30:50,375 --> 00:30:51,666 I can add to some things. 883 00:30:52,208 --> 00:30:54,625 I mean, that's 884 00:30:54,625 --> 00:30:56,833 fundamentally completely logical. 885 00:30:57,333 --> 00:30:58,458 You know what you've just said, and if 886 00:30:58,458 --> 00:30:59,625 you were to work through it and you give 887 00:30:59,625 --> 00:31:01,083 it to any person, you would work through 888 00:31:01,083 --> 00:31:03,041 it, they said, but of course, of course, 889 00:31:03,041 --> 00:31:04,000 and I'd say, of course, of course, 890 00:31:04,375 --> 00:31:06,458 because the thing about it is, is that 891 00:31:06,458 --> 00:31:07,875 perceived stress is the biggest thing. 892 00:31:07,916 --> 00:31:10,500 We've all got different giftings. 893 00:31:11,375 --> 00:31:13,083 So, you know, if I give somebody 894 00:31:13,083 --> 00:31:14,833 something that's that they're not gifted 895 00:31:14,833 --> 00:31:17,083 for it, that they don't they don't have 896 00:31:17,083 --> 00:31:18,791 any purpose in trying to 897 00:31:18,791 --> 00:31:20,375 dislike, why are you giving me this? 898 00:31:20,833 --> 00:31:22,125 This is a difficult task. 899 00:31:23,416 --> 00:31:28,000 To me, I've always worked at the things 900 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,875 that I am good at to 901 00:31:29,875 --> 00:31:30,875 become better at those things. 902 00:31:32,875 --> 00:31:34,041 Many years ago, I used 903 00:31:34,041 --> 00:31:35,125 to work in management. 904 00:31:37,541 --> 00:31:38,125 I used to manage. 905 00:31:38,375 --> 00:31:40,083 Yeah, I know that would have 906 00:31:40,083 --> 00:31:41,791 stress in it, to be honest. 907 00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:43,500 But I developed some 908 00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:44,833 really good techniques. 909 00:31:46,750 --> 00:31:50,000 And later on, I went to university and I 910 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,125 studied a lot of different things. 911 00:31:51,125 --> 00:31:51,916 And I were able to bring 912 00:31:51,916 --> 00:31:53,416 a lot of insights to that. 913 00:31:53,791 --> 00:31:54,875 But this is what I found. 914 00:31:55,916 --> 00:31:59,041 I'm a perceived stress. 915 00:31:59,833 --> 00:32:00,041 Right. 916 00:32:00,208 --> 00:32:03,458 So basically, I give somebody a task that 917 00:32:03,458 --> 00:32:05,166 they have no passion for, and they have 918 00:32:05,166 --> 00:32:06,291 no real ability in that 919 00:32:06,291 --> 00:32:07,583 that's going to cause them stress. 920 00:32:07,583 --> 00:32:09,083 So somebody else is going to love that. 921 00:32:09,083 --> 00:32:10,791 You know, the old one man's meat is 922 00:32:10,791 --> 00:32:12,166 another man's poison kind of thing. 923 00:32:12,166 --> 00:32:12,750 You know what I mean? 924 00:32:13,291 --> 00:32:14,041 One man's rubbish is 925 00:32:14,041 --> 00:32:14,875 another man's treasure. 926 00:32:15,916 --> 00:32:20,791 And I find that there's people that have 927 00:32:20,791 --> 00:32:24,625 incredible giftings in things that I 928 00:32:24,625 --> 00:32:27,541 would just find that find that thing 929 00:32:27,541 --> 00:32:28,875 incredibly stressful. 930 00:32:29,916 --> 00:32:33,833 Office work and the admin. 931 00:32:34,458 --> 00:32:35,125 Oh my goodness. 932 00:32:35,458 --> 00:32:36,875 I have a friend that is just 933 00:32:36,875 --> 00:32:40,333 an absolute amaze ball at it. 934 00:32:40,625 --> 00:32:40,833 Right. 935 00:32:41,208 --> 00:32:41,875 Absolutely brilliant. 936 00:32:42,625 --> 00:32:43,208 You know what I mean? 937 00:32:43,208 --> 00:32:45,916 Shuffles, papers, round and great on the 938 00:32:45,916 --> 00:32:47,708 computers and things like that, you know, 939 00:32:48,083 --> 00:32:49,500 and great with all the 940 00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:49,875 AI and everything else. 941 00:32:49,916 --> 00:32:51,791 No, it's not that I'm 942 00:32:51,791 --> 00:32:53,125 not any good with AI. I 943 00:32:53,125 --> 00:32:53,541 am. 944 00:32:53,541 --> 00:32:54,916 And I'm understanding it more and more. 945 00:32:54,916 --> 00:32:57,833 And I think if you learn the fundamentals 946 00:32:57,833 --> 00:33:00,166 now of working with AI, you can scale 947 00:33:00,166 --> 00:33:02,583 things so that you don't need to be 948 00:33:02,583 --> 00:33:03,833 passing things around and 949 00:33:03,833 --> 00:33:04,833 saying, can you help me with this? 950 00:33:04,833 --> 00:33:05,416 Can you help me with this? 951 00:33:05,583 --> 00:33:07,458 Because basically AI does it all and you 952 00:33:07,458 --> 00:33:07,875 don't have to pay it a thing. 953 00:33:07,916 --> 00:33:10,625 You just have, well, sometimes there's 954 00:33:10,625 --> 00:33:11,375 subscriptions and 955 00:33:11,375 --> 00:33:12,000 things, you know what I mean? 956 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:12,458 That's it. 957 00:33:12,458 --> 00:33:13,000 That's about it. 958 00:33:13,541 --> 00:33:16,291 So yeah, perceived stress. 959 00:33:16,750 --> 00:33:19,666 This all ties a lot of things in to 960 00:33:19,666 --> 00:33:22,375 gifting and to passion. 961 00:33:23,083 --> 00:33:26,458 And I have always worked on the things 962 00:33:26,458 --> 00:33:28,625 that I am good at and the 963 00:33:28,625 --> 00:33:30,875 things that I am not good at. 964 00:33:30,916 --> 00:33:33,833 I wouldn't try and become great at 965 00:33:33,833 --> 00:33:34,708 something that I'm never 966 00:33:34,708 --> 00:33:37,083 become going to become great in. 967 00:33:37,375 --> 00:33:39,041 In life, you're either going to do 968 00:33:39,041 --> 00:33:39,833 something or you're 969 00:33:39,833 --> 00:33:41,000 going to be great at it. 970 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,291 And you know, you know, if you want your 971 00:33:43,291 --> 00:33:44,958 car repairing, you're going to take your 972 00:33:44,958 --> 00:33:46,875 car to a great garage, a great mechanic 973 00:33:46,875 --> 00:33:47,791 and things like that. 974 00:33:47,791 --> 00:33:48,166 You know what I mean? 975 00:33:48,166 --> 00:33:49,500 You've got to go to somebody 976 00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:50,875 who's great at what they do. 977 00:33:50,916 --> 00:33:52,458 Somebody who's like, yeah, 978 00:33:52,458 --> 00:33:53,625 yeah, I'll see what I can do. 979 00:33:54,125 --> 00:33:56,416 No, you're going to be great at it if 980 00:33:56,416 --> 00:33:57,041 you're going to do it. 981 00:33:57,041 --> 00:33:59,416 And that's the way I see things in life. 982 00:34:00,125 --> 00:34:02,833 So what makes you great at it? 983 00:34:03,041 --> 00:34:04,791 Because you'll love it, because you're 984 00:34:04,791 --> 00:34:06,333 passionate about it, because it's the 985 00:34:06,333 --> 00:34:07,291 thing that drives you. 986 00:34:07,666 --> 00:34:08,708 It's the thing of interest. 987 00:34:08,708 --> 00:34:10,416 And if you don't know your passion, I 988 00:34:10,416 --> 00:34:11,916 always said, find something that you're 989 00:34:11,916 --> 00:34:13,125 interested in and work 990 00:34:13,125 --> 00:34:14,708 towards it with your whole heart. 991 00:34:15,166 --> 00:34:16,666 And that will bring out your passion. 992 00:34:16,666 --> 00:34:18,125 You'll find your passion in that and your 993 00:34:18,125 --> 00:34:18,958 interest in the things 994 00:34:18,958 --> 00:34:20,166 that you're drawn towards it. 995 00:34:20,916 --> 00:34:22,583 And that is spiritual side, because 996 00:34:22,583 --> 00:34:24,416 you're drawn into that thing. 997 00:34:24,875 --> 00:34:25,291 You know what I mean? 998 00:34:25,291 --> 00:34:26,500 Try not to be drawn into it. 999 00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:28,000 You'll be drawn into it no matter what, 1000 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,083 because that's what your 1001 00:34:29,083 --> 00:34:30,791 passions join you towards. 1002 00:34:31,458 --> 00:34:34,166 So these are things that you, there's 1003 00:34:34,166 --> 00:34:35,416 things that I do and I never 1004 00:34:35,416 --> 00:34:36,833 seem to get tired about them. 1005 00:34:37,208 --> 00:34:38,416 And people just go, how 1006 00:34:38,416 --> 00:34:40,500 can you keep on like that? 1007 00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:43,041 How can you hypothesize or how can you 1008 00:34:43,041 --> 00:34:44,458 keep working on these problems? 1009 00:34:44,458 --> 00:34:45,833 I'm going to say, no problem. 1010 00:34:46,458 --> 00:34:47,208 It isn't a problem. 1011 00:34:47,875 --> 00:34:48,333 You know what I mean? 1012 00:34:48,333 --> 00:34:49,875 It's actually like a joy to work on it. 1013 00:34:49,916 --> 00:34:52,291 But don't give me any office work to do, 1014 00:34:52,291 --> 00:34:54,416 because I am going to find that somewhat 1015 00:34:54,416 --> 00:34:55,291 of a problem when I get 1016 00:34:55,291 --> 00:34:56,166 further down the line. 1017 00:34:56,916 --> 00:34:58,666 So, you know, that sort of sums up, you 1018 00:34:58,666 --> 00:35:00,125 know, and it's, I think it's 1019 00:35:00,125 --> 00:35:02,125 individuals, individual gifted. 1020 00:35:02,125 --> 00:35:03,375 And you can come up with types. 1021 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,375 You know, there are different types, 1022 00:35:05,375 --> 00:35:06,583 personality types and different things 1023 00:35:06,583 --> 00:35:08,333 like that, you know, and then we look at 1024 00:35:08,333 --> 00:35:09,875 more extroverts and introverts and we 1025 00:35:09,875 --> 00:35:11,333 look at all these bits in between. 1026 00:35:11,958 --> 00:35:14,500 But individuals, we're 1027 00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:15,875 all complex and unique. 1028 00:35:16,916 --> 00:35:17,250 Of course. 1029 00:35:17,666 --> 00:35:19,500 And then how sort of bringing it back to 1030 00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:22,291 burnout once again, how do you think, how 1031 00:35:22,291 --> 00:35:23,583 do you view this stress is 1032 00:35:23,583 --> 00:35:25,333 then affecting the physiology? 1033 00:35:25,583 --> 00:35:27,041 I mean, I know we talked about that 1034 00:35:27,041 --> 00:35:30,666 earlier, but how was that stress then 1035 00:35:30,666 --> 00:35:31,875 driving that burnout process? 1036 00:35:31,916 --> 00:35:34,458 I think that's maybe a question we've not 1037 00:35:34,458 --> 00:35:36,416 yet sort of really asked that. 1038 00:35:36,416 --> 00:35:38,000 I think a lot of maybe the audience would 1039 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,208 be interested in knowing why does stress 1040 00:35:40,208 --> 00:35:42,666 then, even if you're in this state of 1041 00:35:42,666 --> 00:35:45,583 flow, ultimately lead you potentially to 1042 00:35:45,583 --> 00:35:48,875 the state of becoming dysfunctional in 1043 00:35:48,875 --> 00:35:49,791 what you're trying to 1044 00:35:49,791 --> 00:35:51,875 achieve with all of that said. 1045 00:35:52,416 --> 00:35:54,416 I mean, I know that we could 1046 00:35:54,416 --> 00:35:55,708 have a whole podcast on that. 1047 00:35:55,708 --> 00:35:57,041 So feel free to keep it brief. 1048 00:35:57,375 --> 00:35:58,875 But how do you view that? 1049 00:35:58,916 --> 00:36:01,708 If we took it like what you mentioned 1050 00:36:01,708 --> 00:36:03,541 earlier, again, the HPT, right, when 1051 00:36:03,541 --> 00:36:04,500 we're looking at that, 1052 00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:06,250 everything's a flow within that. 1053 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,500 So it's keeping it halfway there. 1054 00:36:09,916 --> 00:36:11,750 Now, you wouldn't get up in the morning 1055 00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:13,708 if it wasn't for stress, because 1056 00:36:13,708 --> 00:36:15,375 obviously cortisol has to raise. 1057 00:36:16,125 --> 00:36:17,750 So cortisol is a good thing, but you get 1058 00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:19,125 too much of it and it's a bad thing. 1059 00:36:19,791 --> 00:36:21,458 So basically, it's keeping it, you know, 1060 00:36:21,458 --> 00:36:22,500 it's keeping that needle 1061 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:23,500 somewhat in the middle. 1062 00:36:24,458 --> 00:36:26,250 And that's it really, a 1063 00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:27,375 mash of self regulation. 1064 00:36:27,666 --> 00:36:29,291 And we all this is what a big thing. 1065 00:36:29,291 --> 00:36:32,125 And I remember, I was involved in this in 1066 00:36:32,125 --> 00:36:34,250 a big talk and a big debate going back 1067 00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:37,125 like about two years, self regulation, it 1068 00:36:37,125 --> 00:36:38,291 was the big it was on 1069 00:36:38,291 --> 00:36:40,208 everybody's tongue back then. 1070 00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:42,541 How do I correctly self regulate? 1071 00:36:42,916 --> 00:36:45,791 And the thing is, is you 1072 00:36:45,791 --> 00:36:47,166 look at people's habits. 1073 00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:49,500 And if you study people well, you can see 1074 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,125 different methods of self regulation. 1075 00:36:51,875 --> 00:36:53,375 And that's the one of the ways that we're 1076 00:36:53,375 --> 00:36:55,625 going to deal with stresses building up 1077 00:36:55,625 --> 00:36:58,333 too much input and things building up and 1078 00:36:58,333 --> 00:36:59,458 things that are okay. 1079 00:36:59,458 --> 00:37:00,166 Why is it some day? 1080 00:37:00,166 --> 00:37:01,500 Why do you have a bad day when you go to 1081 00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:02,666 a lot of different things and then 1082 00:37:02,666 --> 00:37:04,000 suddenly one day is a bad day. 1083 00:37:04,541 --> 00:37:06,833 And then obviously, when you're coming 1084 00:37:06,833 --> 00:37:08,375 down to phrase it and you're saying, 1085 00:37:08,375 --> 00:37:09,208 because I learned to say, 1086 00:37:09,208 --> 00:37:11,000 you know, it's not a bad day. 1087 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:11,875 I'm having a challenging day. 1088 00:37:11,916 --> 00:37:13,791 You know what I mean? 1089 00:37:13,791 --> 00:37:14,583 I'm having a difficult 1090 00:37:14,583 --> 00:37:16,500 time and things like this. 1091 00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:18,125 And I started to word things because I 1092 00:37:18,125 --> 00:37:19,541 looked at the words more and what the 1093 00:37:19,541 --> 00:37:20,833 words actually mean to me. 1094 00:37:21,416 --> 00:37:22,666 So that's the mental effect. 1095 00:37:23,291 --> 00:37:23,875 You know what I mean? 1096 00:37:23,875 --> 00:37:24,708 That's the stress 1097 00:37:24,708 --> 00:37:26,250 coming out of what I think. 1098 00:37:26,583 --> 00:37:27,666 That's the perceived stress. 1099 00:37:28,125 --> 00:37:30,416 But the actual stresses is where I am 1100 00:37:30,416 --> 00:37:31,625 when I get up in the morning. 1101 00:37:31,625 --> 00:37:34,708 So if I'm rested and I check my heart 1102 00:37:34,708 --> 00:37:36,541 rate in the morning and my heart rate is 1103 00:37:36,541 --> 00:37:38,166 not varied by 10 beats. 1104 00:37:38,166 --> 00:37:39,333 It's not up by 10 beats 1105 00:37:39,333 --> 00:37:39,875 or something like that. 1106 00:37:39,916 --> 00:37:42,250 So I wake up in the morning, mine's about 1107 00:37:42,250 --> 00:37:46,500 58 to about 60, something like that. 1108 00:37:46,833 --> 00:37:48,125 It's fairly good. 1109 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,125 But if I had a morning when I was telling 1110 00:37:52,125 --> 00:37:54,500 you about like a few weeks ago, and I 1111 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,625 woke up and my heart rate was about 68 to 1112 00:37:57,625 --> 00:37:59,333 72 in the morning, I 1113 00:37:59,333 --> 00:37:59,875 thought, this is not good. 1114 00:37:59,916 --> 00:38:01,708 You know what I mean? 1115 00:38:01,708 --> 00:38:03,333 And I was looking at things and I didn't 1116 00:38:03,333 --> 00:38:04,708 really, I couldn't put my 1117 00:38:04,708 --> 00:38:05,875 finger on any one thing. 1118 00:38:06,416 --> 00:38:06,916 You know what I mean? 1119 00:38:06,916 --> 00:38:08,000 I thought I worked out that 1120 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,375 was just a regular workout. 1121 00:38:09,375 --> 00:38:10,458 But it's the many 1122 00:38:10,458 --> 00:38:11,750 littles that make a mooch. 1123 00:38:12,333 --> 00:38:13,000 So there I was. 1124 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,250 So I had to look at things and I had to 1125 00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:15,583 basically like go, right, I'm just going 1126 00:38:15,583 --> 00:38:19,250 to met myself, take a few more breaks and 1127 00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:20,333 do a little bit less. 1128 00:38:20,958 --> 00:38:23,000 And so basically I can try and stop that 1129 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,583 cortisol from going sky high. 1130 00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:27,083 So when your cortisol's up with your 1131 00:38:27,083 --> 00:38:28,875 adrenaline, so you're paying lots of trips to the toilet. 1132 00:38:28,916 --> 00:38:32,000 Doesn't matter how much, how much you 1133 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,958 mineralize the water you have, you know, 1134 00:38:33,958 --> 00:38:35,583 how many electrolytes you have, you will 1135 00:38:35,583 --> 00:38:36,791 go to the toilet a lot. 1136 00:38:37,708 --> 00:38:39,125 And that's one of the ways and then your 1137 00:38:39,125 --> 00:38:40,416 mouth will get quite dry. 1138 00:38:40,833 --> 00:38:42,750 And you're noticing these these telltale 1139 00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:45,166 signs and it's like, yeah, my stress 1140 00:38:45,166 --> 00:38:46,291 levels are up and I need 1141 00:38:46,291 --> 00:38:47,541 to do something about it. 1142 00:38:48,291 --> 00:38:52,000 So good thing, bad thing, it can be good. 1143 00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:54,041 It can be good because you need to raise 1144 00:38:54,041 --> 00:38:55,875 that cortisol levels, but it can be bad 1145 00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:56,958 if it's out of control. 1146 00:38:57,583 --> 00:38:58,875 So it's a, it's something that's really important. 1147 00:38:58,916 --> 00:39:01,041 It's something that you, the way you feel 1148 00:39:01,041 --> 00:39:03,125 can affect it a lot more 1149 00:39:03,125 --> 00:39:05,125 than you think, really. 1150 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,875 So, and I find today there's a lot of 1151 00:39:07,875 --> 00:39:09,666 people getting stressed out about the 1152 00:39:09,666 --> 00:39:11,250 state of the world today. 1153 00:39:12,041 --> 00:39:13,791 And people just tell me you just carry on 1154 00:39:13,791 --> 00:39:15,041 like, like, like 1155 00:39:15,041 --> 00:39:15,833 you're just not bothered. 1156 00:39:16,375 --> 00:39:17,750 And I just say, I am 1157 00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:19,333 concerned, but I'm not worried. 1158 00:39:19,791 --> 00:39:20,500 Of course not. 1159 00:39:20,791 --> 00:39:22,375 Because worrying doesn't solve anything. 1160 00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:25,875 It's, it's, it's your locus of control. 1161 00:39:25,875 --> 00:39:27,250 I mean, I'm horrendous. 1162 00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:28,541 I couldn't tell you what's going on the 1163 00:39:28,541 --> 00:39:31,958 world the moment beyond my beyond what's 1164 00:39:31,958 --> 00:39:33,375 sort of thoughts out the front door. 1165 00:39:33,375 --> 00:39:36,666 But to me, unless it has direct bearing 1166 00:39:36,666 --> 00:39:39,250 on my life, my ability to make money, my 1167 00:39:39,250 --> 00:39:40,875 ability to care for those I love, etc. 1168 00:39:40,916 --> 00:39:46,041 It doesn't hold any value to me. 1169 00:39:46,041 --> 00:39:48,291 Now that's not to say I don't care, but 1170 00:39:48,291 --> 00:39:49,958 I'm in a position where fundamentally, 1171 00:39:50,375 --> 00:39:52,791 unless I either, let's 1172 00:39:52,791 --> 00:39:54,208 just choose a random example. 1173 00:39:54,958 --> 00:39:58,041 Now I have, I have no understanding of 1174 00:39:58,041 --> 00:39:58,666 politics whatsoever. 1175 00:39:58,916 --> 00:40:00,666 Probably to my detriment that there's 1176 00:40:00,666 --> 00:40:02,833 obviously something terrible going on in 1177 00:40:02,833 --> 00:40:05,958 the Far East moment with Israel and and 1178 00:40:05,958 --> 00:40:08,333 Paris, excuse me, Palestine. 1179 00:40:08,625 --> 00:40:08,833 Yeah. 1180 00:40:09,333 --> 00:40:12,833 Now, I don't have a, I'm not, I don't 1181 00:40:12,833 --> 00:40:14,500 have an opinion on that because I don't 1182 00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:14,875 know enough about it. 1183 00:40:14,916 --> 00:40:16,041 So I don't feel I 1184 00:40:16,041 --> 00:40:17,125 should have an opinion on it. 1185 00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:19,208 And I can get worked up about that and 1186 00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:21,083 really sort of braze my stress levels, 1187 00:40:21,666 --> 00:40:23,166 which is what a lot of people do. 1188 00:40:23,166 --> 00:40:25,333 They have all American politics if you're 1189 00:40:25,333 --> 00:40:27,958 in the UK, or whatever, or even British 1190 00:40:27,958 --> 00:40:29,458 politics if you're in the UK. 1191 00:40:29,916 --> 00:40:31,875 But the way I view it, you, you 1192 00:40:31,875 --> 00:40:34,166 fundamentally can't change anything about 1193 00:40:34,166 --> 00:40:36,041 those circumstances, not really. 1194 00:40:36,375 --> 00:40:38,416 I mean, maybe you can if you pour your 1195 00:40:38,416 --> 00:40:39,333 heart and soul into it. 1196 00:40:39,791 --> 00:40:40,500 And if that's something 1197 00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:41,500 that you want to do, awesome. 1198 00:40:41,708 --> 00:40:43,208 But 99.99% of the 1199 00:40:43,208 --> 00:40:44,083 human population aren't. 1200 00:40:44,458 --> 00:40:46,625 So my view on that sort of thing is, 1201 00:40:47,125 --> 00:40:48,458 don't worry about it, because 1202 00:40:48,458 --> 00:40:50,083 fundamentally, it's not going to change 1203 00:40:50,083 --> 00:40:52,041 anything other than your stress levels, 1204 00:40:52,041 --> 00:40:53,291 which is going to drive 1205 00:40:53,291 --> 00:40:54,875 more problems in your life. 1206 00:40:55,333 --> 00:40:57,791 Maybe, maybe it's a bit of a selfish 1207 00:40:57,791 --> 00:41:00,000 view, but I don't think it serves anyone 1208 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,166 sort of getting wrapped up in that sort 1209 00:41:02,166 --> 00:41:05,000 of superficial for the want of a better 1210 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,083 word, those sorts of superficial issues 1211 00:41:07,083 --> 00:41:09,583 when you should ultimately just focus on 1212 00:41:09,583 --> 00:41:10,583 what's yours and what's in 1213 00:41:10,583 --> 00:41:12,625 your, again, locus of control. 1214 00:41:13,458 --> 00:41:15,750 That's really good, because I say 1215 00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:17,875 something to people on a regular basis. 1216 00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:19,041 And whether they like 1217 00:41:19,041 --> 00:41:20,333 it or not, here it is. 1218 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,500 If you want to make a change, let that 1219 00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:24,000 change begin with you because you'll make 1220 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,250 the biggest change because you will 1221 00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:27,500 directly affect the lives of 10 people 1222 00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:28,500 and indirectly and other 1223 00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:29,708 10 people outside of that. 1224 00:41:29,916 --> 00:41:33,541 So you can bring a big change to people's 1225 00:41:33,541 --> 00:41:35,583 lives around you and definitely your own 1226 00:41:35,583 --> 00:41:37,750 life and you'll live longer and then the 1227 00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:38,625 way you treat other 1228 00:41:38,625 --> 00:41:40,000 people will be a lot better. 1229 00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:43,000 And if there's something that you can do, 1230 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,416 that you need to do, 1231 00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:46,875 then do it within that. 1232 00:41:47,916 --> 00:41:48,166 Definitely. 1233 00:41:48,791 --> 00:41:49,541 I was listening to Dan 1234 00:41:49,541 --> 00:41:50,458 Martel the other day. 1235 00:41:50,458 --> 00:41:52,083 He's an entrepreneur business guy. 1236 00:41:53,166 --> 00:41:54,458 And I'm paraphrasing here because I'll 1237 00:41:54,458 --> 00:41:57,041 probably get it wrong, but he said, "Help 1238 00:41:57,041 --> 00:41:59,166 people achieve what you want out of life. 1239 00:41:59,416 --> 00:42:01,125 So if you want more money, help people 1240 00:42:01,125 --> 00:42:02,500 achieve more, get more money. 1241 00:42:03,166 --> 00:42:04,833 If you want health, help 1242 00:42:04,833 --> 00:42:06,791 people get their own health back." 1243 00:42:06,791 --> 00:42:07,375 That sort of thing. 1244 00:42:07,375 --> 00:42:08,958 And I think that speaks volumes to what 1245 00:42:08,958 --> 00:42:09,875 you've just said as well. 1246 00:42:10,208 --> 00:42:10,708 Absolutely. 1247 00:42:11,041 --> 00:42:12,000 You reap what you sow. 1248 00:42:12,583 --> 00:42:13,250 You know what I mean? 1249 00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:15,250 So basically you sow into people. 1250 00:42:15,791 --> 00:42:17,541 You sow that good into people. 1251 00:42:18,041 --> 00:42:20,250 They're going to sow that again because 1252 00:42:20,250 --> 00:42:21,541 you can't sow good into... 1253 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,125 If you sow an apple tree, you're not 1254 00:42:26,125 --> 00:42:27,416 going to get anything other than apples. 1255 00:42:28,125 --> 00:42:30,375 So whatever you sow good into a person, 1256 00:42:30,708 --> 00:42:32,250 that is going to be passed on. 1257 00:42:32,916 --> 00:42:34,791 So by doing that and investing into 1258 00:42:34,791 --> 00:42:37,500 people in such a good way like that, how 1259 00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:38,000 are you going to get 1260 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:38,875 anything bad coming from that? 1261 00:42:38,916 --> 00:42:40,208 You're not. 1262 00:42:40,833 --> 00:42:41,833 It's going to return. 1263 00:42:42,041 --> 00:42:43,333 Seed produces like kind. 1264 00:42:43,833 --> 00:42:45,458 So that is absolutely 100%. 1265 00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:47,708 So I agree with what you're saying about 1266 00:42:47,708 --> 00:42:50,291 your paraphrasing, but that's by now, 1267 00:42:50,291 --> 00:42:51,125 that is really good. 1268 00:42:51,708 --> 00:42:53,333 Yeah, no, I like it too. 1269 00:42:53,583 --> 00:42:55,041 And again, it's not mine, but it's... 1270 00:42:55,375 --> 00:42:56,583 And I suppose it's another way of 1271 00:42:56,583 --> 00:42:58,666 describing karma, but ultimately by 1272 00:42:58,666 --> 00:43:01,625 focusing on this, again, what things you 1273 00:43:01,625 --> 00:43:02,958 can control and things that you can 1274 00:43:02,958 --> 00:43:04,333 improve in other people's lives. 1275 00:43:04,333 --> 00:43:07,875 And by not focusing on the minutia that's flirting around the world, the same thing. 1276 00:43:07,916 --> 00:43:09,208 So by not focusing on the minutia that's flirting around the world, the small 1277 00:43:09,208 --> 00:43:11,458 things that don't matter in your world, 1278 00:43:11,791 --> 00:43:14,041 you can then just ultimately reduce that 1279 00:43:14,041 --> 00:43:15,500 stress level and sort of 1280 00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:17,916 just eat the best you can be. 1281 00:43:18,625 --> 00:43:20,583 Anyway, Nick, we have suddenly got very 1282 00:43:20,583 --> 00:43:21,833 philosophical, which is great. 1283 00:43:22,125 --> 00:43:22,375 However, 1284 00:43:23,875 --> 00:43:25,000 I think we've got a bit of track. 1285 00:43:25,375 --> 00:43:28,125 So let's get back to it. 1286 00:43:28,125 --> 00:43:29,500 Now we've really sort of 1287 00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:31,291 jumped into what Bernard is. 1288 00:43:31,291 --> 00:43:32,583 We've taken a pretty deep 1289 00:43:32,583 --> 00:43:33,833 dive down that rabbit hole. 1290 00:43:34,916 --> 00:43:38,375 I'd love to sort of dig into some of your 1291 00:43:38,375 --> 00:43:40,416 favorite tools and strategies, if that's 1292 00:43:40,416 --> 00:43:44,791 okay, to help people get an understanding 1293 00:43:44,791 --> 00:43:46,291 of how to work through burnout. 1294 00:43:46,291 --> 00:43:49,000 And then I've got a hypothetical case 1295 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,458 study that we could 1296 00:43:50,458 --> 00:43:50,875 work through afterwards. 1297 00:43:50,916 --> 00:43:54,458 But starting off, what are your sort of 1298 00:43:54,458 --> 00:43:56,708 your go-to strategies maybe off the bat 1299 00:43:56,708 --> 00:43:58,916 to help people get their mindset right? 1300 00:43:59,208 --> 00:44:01,500 Because, and I think we'll agree on this, 1301 00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:04,208 but I think when starting out helping 1302 00:44:04,208 --> 00:44:08,041 somebody, you generally have to get the 1303 00:44:08,041 --> 00:44:09,708 clients buy-in in terms of 1304 00:44:09,708 --> 00:44:10,833 mindset from the beginning. 1305 00:44:10,833 --> 00:44:12,750 Because otherwise, it's almost pretty 1306 00:44:12,750 --> 00:44:14,291 pointless going forwards, I'd imagine, 1307 00:44:14,583 --> 00:44:15,875 because you're just going to stack 1308 00:44:15,875 --> 00:44:17,750 modalities, you're going to take them to 1309 00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:18,875 take supplements, do tests, etc. 1310 00:44:18,916 --> 00:44:21,666 But unless they've got this mindset piece 1311 00:44:21,666 --> 00:44:25,541 right to begin with, I don't think, and 1312 00:44:25,541 --> 00:44:27,125 correct me if I'm wrong, you 1313 00:44:27,125 --> 00:44:29,250 are going to make much headway. 1314 00:44:29,958 --> 00:44:33,291 So yeah, how do you deal with the mindset 1315 00:44:33,291 --> 00:44:35,500 piece first and foremost, 1316 00:44:36,041 --> 00:44:37,375 strategy-wise, of course? 1317 00:44:38,416 --> 00:44:38,916 Mindset. 1318 00:44:40,166 --> 00:44:41,125 Mindset has been around 1319 00:44:41,125 --> 00:44:43,000 since time immemorial. 1320 00:44:43,291 --> 00:44:44,708 So basically, we've talked about 1321 00:44:44,708 --> 00:44:47,166 different things over the years, mental 1322 00:44:47,166 --> 00:44:47,875 attitude and different things. 1323 00:44:47,916 --> 00:44:50,583 And we focused on being positive. 1324 00:44:52,041 --> 00:44:54,416 And mindset is really the way you think, 1325 00:44:54,416 --> 00:44:56,000 and it operates within mind frame. 1326 00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:58,166 So mind frame is your perception. 1327 00:44:58,791 --> 00:44:59,500 And you always have 1328 00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:01,125 perception versus perspective. 1329 00:45:02,375 --> 00:45:05,333 So it's always, it is always, it's 1330 00:45:05,333 --> 00:45:07,041 expectation versus observation. 1331 00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:09,333 So it's basically what you perceive 1332 00:45:09,333 --> 00:45:11,083 versus what, which is what you would 1333 00:45:11,083 --> 00:45:14,250 imagine and how in your mind you see it 1334 00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:14,916 versus what you 1335 00:45:14,916 --> 00:45:15,875 actually with your eyes see. 1336 00:45:15,916 --> 00:45:17,625 And perspective is 1337 00:45:17,625 --> 00:45:19,000 always your final view. 1338 00:45:19,208 --> 00:45:20,041 So that's your frame. 1339 00:45:21,125 --> 00:45:22,500 So you put both these together, 1340 00:45:23,125 --> 00:45:24,666 perception versus perspective. 1341 00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:25,708 Right. 1342 00:45:25,708 --> 00:45:28,000 And that's your overall mind frame. 1343 00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:30,750 Imagination operates within that. 1344 00:45:31,083 --> 00:45:32,833 So that gets you from where you are to 1345 00:45:32,833 --> 00:45:33,791 where you want to go. 1346 00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:36,875 So basically, this is your mind's not, 1347 00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:39,416 your brain is the organ, but your mind 1348 00:45:39,416 --> 00:45:40,708 will take you externally, 1349 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:41,875 will take you outside of that. 1350 00:45:41,916 --> 00:45:44,875 So this allows you to look to focus and 1351 00:45:44,875 --> 00:45:48,541 see things that you do not yet possess, 1352 00:45:49,208 --> 00:45:50,666 but you can step into that 1353 00:45:50,666 --> 00:45:52,000 and you can possess that. 1354 00:45:52,875 --> 00:45:53,166 Right. 1355 00:45:53,166 --> 00:45:55,000 And you can see that that's the clincher. 1356 00:45:55,458 --> 00:45:56,125 This is how a lot of 1357 00:45:56,125 --> 00:45:57,250 people achieve things. 1358 00:45:58,333 --> 00:45:59,416 So basically, that's 1359 00:45:59,416 --> 00:46:00,625 operating within the frame. 1360 00:46:00,958 --> 00:46:02,333 Mindset operates within the frame. 1361 00:46:02,958 --> 00:46:04,416 So basically, if you look at the frame, 1362 00:46:04,416 --> 00:46:05,625 the frame is the frame picture. 1363 00:46:05,916 --> 00:46:08,916 And I would say like the best way to do a 1364 00:46:08,916 --> 00:46:11,041 jigsaw puzzle is this basically always 1365 00:46:11,041 --> 00:46:13,333 assemble the frame and then fill it in 1366 00:46:13,333 --> 00:46:16,166 and then fill in the biggest areas with 1367 00:46:16,166 --> 00:46:17,458 the greatest detailing 1368 00:46:17,458 --> 00:46:19,500 because then that becomes easy. 1369 00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:20,500 It's easy to see things. 1370 00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:21,875 So you're making it easy for yourself. 1371 00:46:22,708 --> 00:46:25,166 So then the mindset set is 1372 00:46:25,166 --> 00:46:26,416 just a set of instructions. 1373 00:46:26,416 --> 00:46:28,375 So you just say what you see. 1374 00:46:29,416 --> 00:46:31,625 But if you can see clearly, it's easy. 1375 00:46:31,625 --> 00:46:32,208 It's easy, Rob. 1376 00:46:32,208 --> 00:46:32,875 You just say what you say. 1377 00:46:32,875 --> 00:46:35,291 What used to be on TV and you used to 1378 00:46:35,291 --> 00:46:36,875 say, say what you see. 1379 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,583 I forget the catchphrase. 1380 00:46:39,916 --> 00:46:40,166 Catchphrase. 1381 00:46:40,666 --> 00:46:40,916 Right. 1382 00:46:40,916 --> 00:46:43,791 So basically, you are just then you're 1383 00:46:43,791 --> 00:46:46,500 putting, you're verbalizing, vocalizing 1384 00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:48,375 what you're actually seeing. 1385 00:46:48,875 --> 00:46:50,250 So that's a set of instructions. 1386 00:46:50,916 --> 00:46:53,041 So you can't create the instructions 1387 00:46:53,041 --> 00:46:54,000 until you see what 1388 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,500 exactly what you need to do. 1389 00:46:56,083 --> 00:46:58,500 So what I do is when I look at somebody, 1390 00:46:59,375 --> 00:47:01,000 I'm just thinking, nobody wants chaos. 1391 00:47:01,833 --> 00:47:02,500 Nobody wants chaos. 1392 00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:04,000 And I'm looking and I 1393 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,125 can I will never name drop. 1394 00:47:07,041 --> 00:47:09,000 People come to me and I'm 1395 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,583 thinking, that is chaos. 1396 00:47:11,125 --> 00:47:12,541 That is absolute chaos. 1397 00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:14,416 That is what you what you 1398 00:47:14,416 --> 00:47:15,875 seem to thrive in is chaos. 1399 00:47:16,125 --> 00:47:18,250 And what I need to do is to put order to 1400 00:47:18,250 --> 00:47:21,291 that because, you know, that you can't 1401 00:47:21,291 --> 00:47:22,750 create anything out of chaos. 1402 00:47:22,750 --> 00:47:25,458 But if you put order to chaos, so like 1403 00:47:25,458 --> 00:47:26,833 you want to create something, but 1404 00:47:26,833 --> 00:47:28,208 everything's all over the place. 1405 00:47:28,208 --> 00:47:29,333 So you have to put order to 1406 00:47:29,333 --> 00:47:30,958 it and then you can build it. 1407 00:47:30,958 --> 00:47:31,833 You can structure it. 1408 00:47:31,833 --> 00:47:32,916 So that's a building site. 1409 00:47:33,208 --> 00:47:33,416 Right. 1410 00:47:33,583 --> 00:47:34,875 So basically, somebody comes 1411 00:47:34,875 --> 00:47:36,541 to me and I just say, right. 1412 00:47:36,541 --> 00:47:37,458 So we're going to begin. 1413 00:47:37,833 --> 00:47:38,666 We're going to begin with 1414 00:47:38,666 --> 00:47:40,250 how you go to bed at night. 1415 00:47:40,875 --> 00:47:43,833 So we're going to look at basically not. 1416 00:47:43,833 --> 00:47:44,375 We don't have to bring 1417 00:47:44,375 --> 00:47:44,875 any science into this. 1418 00:47:44,916 --> 00:47:47,750 We just have to basically look at habits 1419 00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:51,250 and habits function within routines. 1420 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,541 So or it could be called the subroutine, 1421 00:47:54,125 --> 00:47:55,375 you know, whichever one you know, some 1422 00:47:55,375 --> 00:47:57,041 people call it, you know, they don't they 1423 00:47:57,041 --> 00:47:57,833 don't call it routines. 1424 00:47:57,833 --> 00:47:58,458 They call it rituals. 1425 00:47:58,833 --> 00:47:59,291 You know what I mean? 1426 00:47:59,541 --> 00:48:01,000 But whatever you want to call it. 1427 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,500 So basically, you've got a routine and 1428 00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:03,500 then you've got a subroutine. 1429 00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:04,083 So that's a habit. 1430 00:48:04,833 --> 00:48:06,708 And the thing about habits is you 1431 00:48:06,708 --> 00:48:08,458 probably heard of habit stacking. 1432 00:48:08,458 --> 00:48:10,041 And I did mention it the last time we 1433 00:48:10,041 --> 00:48:11,916 spoke, habit stacking, where basically 1434 00:48:11,916 --> 00:48:13,875 people set goals to achieve. 1435 00:48:13,916 --> 00:48:17,333 And then that's an all out thing. 1436 00:48:18,333 --> 00:48:19,750 So how many goals can you set yourself 1437 00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:20,708 without it taking up all 1438 00:48:20,708 --> 00:48:21,791 your time and all your mind. 1439 00:48:21,791 --> 00:48:23,125 So you set yourself a lot of habits, 1440 00:48:23,583 --> 00:48:25,250 takes anything from 21 days 1441 00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:27,208 to 321 days to establish habit. 1442 00:48:27,208 --> 00:48:29,291 That's three weeks, 321 days. 1443 00:48:29,791 --> 00:48:30,791 So you establish habit. 1444 00:48:30,791 --> 00:48:32,875 There's ways to establish that quicker. 1445 00:48:33,916 --> 00:48:36,750 But when you've got that habit, habit 1446 00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:38,250 becomes a routine in your life. 1447 00:48:38,250 --> 00:48:39,833 If you put these things back together, 1448 00:48:39,833 --> 00:48:42,416 you got habit stacking and habit stacking 1449 00:48:42,416 --> 00:48:43,500 helps you achieve goals 1450 00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:44,750 and big goals as well. 1451 00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:46,458 So you've got a routine 1452 00:48:46,458 --> 00:48:47,583 then that you can work from. 1453 00:48:47,791 --> 00:48:51,291 And by the way, it's underpinning 1454 00:48:51,291 --> 00:48:54,833 psychology that you can't get through a 1455 00:48:54,833 --> 00:48:56,375 day, you can't get through your life 1456 00:48:56,375 --> 00:48:58,083 without having routines because the most 1457 00:48:58,083 --> 00:49:00,208 of your day is actually routine and 1458 00:49:00,208 --> 00:49:00,875 subroutine and the things that you do. 1459 00:49:00,916 --> 00:49:06,583 Because I once tried going through a day 1460 00:49:06,583 --> 00:49:08,833 and there were nothing routine. 1461 00:49:08,833 --> 00:49:10,875 And I totally broke my routine every 1462 00:49:10,875 --> 00:49:12,416 single time in every step through the 1463 00:49:12,416 --> 00:49:14,583 day, mentally going through things. 1464 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,083 I was exhausted by lunchtime, mentally 1465 00:49:17,083 --> 00:49:18,958 exhausted because I've gone through 1466 00:49:18,958 --> 00:49:20,625 everything new or mentally exhausted. 1467 00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:23,208 But having said that, I did do some 1468 00:49:23,208 --> 00:49:24,291 driving, but I want to make a 1469 00:49:24,291 --> 00:49:25,333 conversation at the 1470 00:49:25,333 --> 00:49:26,541 same time I was driving. 1471 00:49:26,541 --> 00:49:27,250 Somebody was keeping me 1472 00:49:27,250 --> 00:49:27,875 accountable, by the way. 1473 00:49:27,916 --> 00:49:30,666 And so this is this we're very tiring. 1474 00:49:30,958 --> 00:49:35,041 So you look at your routines and your 1475 00:49:35,041 --> 00:49:36,666 routines will get you through a day 1476 00:49:36,666 --> 00:49:38,958 without you actually having to burn out 1477 00:49:38,958 --> 00:49:40,625 mentally because mentally, a lot of 1478 00:49:40,625 --> 00:49:42,708 thinking requires a lot of energy. 1479 00:49:43,041 --> 00:49:44,625 And a lot of people are not fueling for 1480 00:49:44,625 --> 00:49:46,333 that energy anyway, or they're putting 1481 00:49:46,333 --> 00:49:47,375 the wrong kind of fueling. 1482 00:49:48,041 --> 00:49:48,500 You know what I mean? 1483 00:49:48,666 --> 00:49:50,583 So this is keeping people accountable. 1484 00:49:50,916 --> 00:49:51,875 So your bedtime routine. 1485 00:49:52,916 --> 00:49:55,458 So there's a lot of 1486 00:49:55,458 --> 00:49:57,250 simple things in this. 1487 00:49:57,250 --> 00:49:58,291 I want to say it's very simplistic. 1488 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,291 So you just follow the routine. 1489 00:50:01,166 --> 00:50:03,958 So the routine comes from it is if you 1490 00:50:03,958 --> 00:50:06,166 have the mindset lights, like people said 1491 00:50:06,166 --> 00:50:07,666 to me now, do you have to 1492 00:50:07,666 --> 00:50:09,000 send me these vast reports? 1493 00:50:09,916 --> 00:50:10,875 I said, I condense them. 1494 00:50:10,875 --> 00:50:12,291 I've condensed it to 90 pages. 1495 00:50:12,750 --> 00:50:13,333 You know what I mean? 1496 00:50:13,333 --> 00:50:15,000 When I've sent up these DNA reports, I've 1497 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,875 said, I've condensed them to 90 pages, 1498 00:50:17,083 --> 00:50:18,750 but I've also done your re-collective 1499 00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:21,000 where I've done a blueprint plan for you. 1500 00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:22,791 Don't bother reading the report. 1501 00:50:22,791 --> 00:50:24,208 It's just so you've got it if you want 1502 00:50:24,208 --> 00:50:26,208 to, but you need to look, just look at 1503 00:50:26,208 --> 00:50:26,666 the blueprint 1504 00:50:26,666 --> 00:50:28,125 because, oh yeah, that's it. 1505 00:50:28,458 --> 00:50:29,541 Yeah, I'll just follow that. 1506 00:50:29,833 --> 00:50:30,708 And it's structured. 1507 00:50:30,708 --> 00:50:32,333 And I say it's got lots of nice pictures 1508 00:50:32,333 --> 00:50:34,541 in and it's got referrals for supplements 1509 00:50:34,541 --> 00:50:35,500 and things like this. 1510 00:50:35,916 --> 00:50:36,416 You know what I mean? 1511 00:50:36,416 --> 00:50:39,708 So really then you do this and this takes 1512 00:50:39,708 --> 00:50:41,125 you into a good night's sleep. 1513 00:50:41,125 --> 00:50:42,791 If you follow all these things and you 1514 00:50:42,791 --> 00:50:44,166 tick every single one of these tick 1515 00:50:44,166 --> 00:50:45,583 boxes, that takes you 1516 00:50:45,583 --> 00:50:46,750 into a good night's sleep. 1517 00:50:46,750 --> 00:50:49,041 And if you, and if you have the, you 1518 00:50:49,041 --> 00:50:50,000 know, if you've got problems with 1519 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,083 methylating and you know, and you, so 1520 00:50:52,083 --> 00:50:53,500 you, you first of all going to practice, 1521 00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:55,500 put the practice in for the habits and 1522 00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:56,541 then you're going to look at, you know, 1523 00:50:56,541 --> 00:50:58,000 whether you're methylating correctly, 1524 00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,791 compT genes, MTH, et cetera. 1525 00:50:59,916 --> 00:51:01,750 I'm sure you know all this, but the point 1526 00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:03,250 is, is you need to, this needs to be 1527 00:51:03,250 --> 00:51:05,541 functioning properly for you or you, or 1528 00:51:05,541 --> 00:51:06,916 you're not going to be converted and your 1529 00:51:06,916 --> 00:51:07,958 brain's going to be lit up. 1530 00:51:07,958 --> 00:51:08,458 You know what I mean? 1531 00:51:08,458 --> 00:51:09,291 When you're asleep and 1532 00:51:09,291 --> 00:51:10,625 we're going to have problems. 1533 00:51:10,625 --> 00:51:13,000 So we set that right and 1534 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,125 then you get up in the morning. 1535 00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:15,958 Then you've got your morning routine. 1536 00:51:16,666 --> 00:51:18,166 The first thing that you need when you 1537 00:51:18,166 --> 00:51:19,750 wake is to get into a 1538 00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:22,416 good place, a good headspace. 1539 00:51:23,083 --> 00:51:25,208 You don't need to be stepping, stepping 1540 00:51:25,208 --> 00:51:26,250 straight into chaos. 1541 00:51:27,375 --> 00:51:29,791 So the first thing that you need to do is 1542 00:51:29,791 --> 00:51:32,000 put something that will 1543 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,833 establish that into your day. 1544 00:51:34,375 --> 00:51:36,208 So the first thing that I usually do is I 1545 00:51:36,208 --> 00:51:38,125 don't allow myself to think about how 1546 00:51:38,125 --> 00:51:39,666 tired I am or anything else. 1547 00:51:39,666 --> 00:51:41,000 That's your prefrontal cortex. 1548 00:51:42,041 --> 00:51:43,166 And so basically I 1549 00:51:43,166 --> 00:51:45,166 won't allow that in a day. 1550 00:51:45,458 --> 00:51:47,708 So I'll just get up and this is where my 1551 00:51:47,708 --> 00:51:49,875 routine comes in autopilot straight in. 1552 00:51:49,916 --> 00:51:52,291 I turn the shower on, step into it cold. 1553 00:51:53,458 --> 00:51:58,125 A lot of people got a lot of, what can I 1554 00:51:58,125 --> 00:52:00,625 say, cold plunging was a really big thing 1555 00:52:00,625 --> 00:52:02,750 at one time, but a lot of people got a 1556 00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:03,833 lot of setbacks through 1557 00:52:03,833 --> 00:52:05,708 being in the cold for too long. 1558 00:52:06,666 --> 00:52:08,666 It's cold immersion, right? 1559 00:52:09,041 --> 00:52:10,166 Get in, get out. 1560 00:52:10,583 --> 00:52:12,458 Don't sit in there for minutes. 1561 00:52:12,708 --> 00:52:15,875 For five minutes. 30 seconds to a minute 1562 00:52:15,875 --> 00:52:16,875 if you're feeling brave. 1563 00:52:16,916 --> 00:52:19,250 I think that's 1564 00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:21,166 definitely where people go wrong. 1565 00:52:21,166 --> 00:52:23,958 And then all of a sudden they've got huge 1566 00:52:23,958 --> 00:52:26,416 amounts of cold soul in their system and 1567 00:52:26,416 --> 00:52:28,083 no way to break it down effectively. 1568 00:52:28,333 --> 00:52:28,500 No. 1569 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:29,958 Yeah, no, definitely. 1570 00:52:30,666 --> 00:52:32,458 So it was the cold shower then. 1571 00:52:33,375 --> 00:52:34,250 And then after the cold 1572 00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:35,791 shower, the shower goes warm. 1573 00:52:36,791 --> 00:52:39,208 So then the warm is kind of like it has a 1574 00:52:39,208 --> 00:52:40,750 counter-irritant effect on you. 1575 00:52:40,750 --> 00:52:42,125 So basically it's 1576 00:52:42,125 --> 00:52:43,500 getting to being quite hot. 1577 00:52:43,916 --> 00:52:45,791 And then you have a quite 1578 00:52:45,791 --> 00:52:47,458 a calming soothing effect. 1579 00:52:48,875 --> 00:52:50,416 And then that basically puts 1580 00:52:50,416 --> 00:52:52,000 your mind in a good place then. 1581 00:52:52,666 --> 00:52:54,041 And then you want to put, what's the 1582 00:52:54,041 --> 00:52:54,791 number one thing that 1583 00:52:54,791 --> 00:52:55,625 you need to put in then? 1584 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:56,416 Oxygen. 1585 00:52:57,416 --> 00:52:59,208 So when you've done that, you get 1586 00:52:59,208 --> 00:53:01,208 dressed, you do your box breathing and 1587 00:53:01,208 --> 00:53:04,000 you are guaranteed that nobody who's ever 1588 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,833 done box breathing hasn't felt good. 1589 00:53:06,041 --> 00:53:07,333 You get a high from it. 1590 00:53:07,666 --> 00:53:08,500 It's really good. 1591 00:53:08,916 --> 00:53:10,291 So you put the box breathing and you 1592 00:53:10,291 --> 00:53:11,500 don't have to excess with it. 1593 00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:12,500 I don't excess with it. 1594 00:53:12,666 --> 00:53:14,500 I get a high just with the basic stuff. 1595 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,916 And then after the box breathing, you're 1596 00:53:16,916 --> 00:53:17,875 in a good headspace. 1597 00:53:18,666 --> 00:53:20,291 So you're getting a place of peace. 1598 00:53:21,208 --> 00:53:21,416 Right? 1599 00:53:21,416 --> 00:53:23,000 And whatever that looks like to you. 1600 00:53:23,250 --> 00:53:23,625 Do you know what I mean? 1601 00:53:23,625 --> 00:53:25,500 I mean, I pray and that really does 1602 00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:27,250 something for me and it's very, very 1603 00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:29,041 uplifting and it's very focusing. 1604 00:53:29,916 --> 00:53:33,375 And I'm, excuse me, I've heard of a few 1605 00:53:33,375 --> 00:53:34,541 experts as well also 1606 00:53:34,541 --> 00:53:38,125 praying Huberman and a few others. 1607 00:53:39,250 --> 00:53:41,541 And so like, basically I have that time 1608 00:53:41,541 --> 00:53:44,500 in the morning and that's my quiet time 1609 00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:46,000 and that gets me established and it puts 1610 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,000 me in a place of rest. 1611 00:53:47,916 --> 00:53:50,750 And the mindset is right then because it 1612 00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:52,166 works from that rest. 1613 00:53:52,875 --> 00:53:55,291 And whenever I, I know where that is and 1614 00:53:55,291 --> 00:53:57,666 I've got a clear picture of that and I 1615 00:53:57,666 --> 00:53:59,291 can see that and that's 1616 00:53:59,291 --> 00:54:00,833 where it is then in the morning. 1617 00:54:01,250 --> 00:54:01,625 Right? 1618 00:54:01,625 --> 00:54:02,583 And I stay in that. 1619 00:54:02,875 --> 00:54:04,208 Now there's many things through the day 1620 00:54:04,208 --> 00:54:05,833 that will try to pull me out of that, but 1621 00:54:05,833 --> 00:54:08,333 I know what that looks like then. 1622 00:54:08,666 --> 00:54:10,500 So I know what that place is and I'm not 1623 00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:11,500 aiming for that feeling. 1624 00:54:12,583 --> 00:54:15,000 I'm aiming for what I can focus on, which 1625 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,250 allows me to go forwards like smooth. 1626 00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:19,291 And it's not like, you know, having to 1627 00:54:19,291 --> 00:54:20,708 beat my way through a jungle. 1628 00:54:21,083 --> 00:54:23,583 It allows me to go through smooth and all 1629 00:54:23,583 --> 00:54:24,916 the things that you've got to look at 1630 00:54:24,916 --> 00:54:26,416 physiological things in this. 1631 00:54:26,416 --> 00:54:26,583 Right? 1632 00:54:26,583 --> 00:54:27,375 What pulls you out? 1633 00:54:27,375 --> 00:54:28,541 What pulls you into that state? 1634 00:54:28,916 --> 00:54:30,000 What creates stress? 1635 00:54:30,375 --> 00:54:31,791 There's different things that you can do 1636 00:54:31,791 --> 00:54:33,750 with your breathing through the day and 1637 00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:35,333 just taking little time out and whatever 1638 00:54:35,333 --> 00:54:37,833 you to get you back into that place to be 1639 00:54:37,833 --> 00:54:38,958 productive and to be 1640 00:54:38,958 --> 00:54:39,875 focused and clear minded. 1641 00:54:39,916 --> 00:54:43,250 You need to be throughout the day to be 1642 00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:45,458 focused and clear minded and then you're 1643 00:54:45,458 --> 00:54:47,958 not getting, you know, you're not getting 1644 00:54:47,958 --> 00:54:49,583 cortisol spikes and you're not getting 1645 00:54:49,583 --> 00:54:51,458 all these different adrenaline dumps and 1646 00:54:51,458 --> 00:54:52,500 different things like that. 1647 00:54:52,916 --> 00:54:53,416 I mean, 1648 00:54:54,625 --> 00:54:56,791 if you take a stimulant, it's great 1649 00:54:56,791 --> 00:54:57,958 before the gym, but it's 1650 00:54:57,958 --> 00:54:59,416 not great for most of the day. 1651 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:00,416 Yeah, you definitely 1652 00:55:00,416 --> 00:55:01,125 don't want to do that. 1653 00:55:01,541 --> 00:55:02,000 Thank you Nick. 1654 00:55:02,208 --> 00:55:03,458 I mean, that was a great answer mindset. 1655 00:55:03,708 --> 00:55:05,750 I mean, to be honest, normally what I do 1656 00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:07,750 is I just tell people to get a routine in 1657 00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:08,875 and then to read Carol Dweck's mindset, 1658 00:55:08,916 --> 00:55:12,000 which I'm sure you've read the growth 1659 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,583 mindset versus fixed mindset. 1660 00:55:13,791 --> 00:55:16,625 And I think that by itself creates this 1661 00:55:16,625 --> 00:55:19,791 perfect paradigm or ideology that 1662 00:55:19,791 --> 00:55:22,666 somebody can adopt, i.e. that somebody 1663 00:55:22,666 --> 00:55:26,208 with a growth mindset is willing to sort 1664 00:55:26,208 --> 00:55:29,375 of learn from their failures and not see 1665 00:55:29,375 --> 00:55:31,875 failures as the end or be all. 1666 00:55:31,916 --> 00:55:34,208 Whereas people with a fixed mindset 1667 00:55:34,208 --> 00:55:38,125 conversely, see failure as this sort of 1668 00:55:38,125 --> 00:55:39,250 this hard stop, which 1669 00:55:39,250 --> 00:55:40,333 they then can't get past. 1670 00:55:40,625 --> 00:55:43,708 So I mean, that's very simply and I mean, 1671 00:55:43,708 --> 00:55:45,625 obviously no mindset coach, but the way I 1672 00:55:45,625 --> 00:55:47,375 see it that you sort of overlap that sort 1673 00:55:47,375 --> 00:55:49,250 of thinking on top of the solid routine 1674 00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:51,875 and then you're pretty much set. 1675 00:55:52,916 --> 00:55:54,125 Nick, 1676 00:55:55,916 --> 00:55:57,875 I'd love to sort of chat mindset all day 1677 00:55:57,875 --> 00:56:00,000 with you, but I think what I'd really 1678 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,833 like to sort of talk 1679 00:56:01,833 --> 00:56:03,625 about next is testing. 1680 00:56:03,875 --> 00:56:05,250 Now, you've mentioned 1681 00:56:05,250 --> 00:56:06,875 genetic testing a fair amount. 1682 00:56:07,916 --> 00:56:09,375 I'd love it if we could 1683 00:56:09,375 --> 00:56:10,458 discuss that a bit more. 1684 00:56:10,458 --> 00:56:13,458 Now, obviously there's lots of other 1685 00:56:13,458 --> 00:56:15,666 testing and I'd be interested to know if 1686 00:56:15,666 --> 00:56:18,666 you do any other sort of blood testing, 1687 00:56:18,666 --> 00:56:22,208 looking at things like cortisol, salivary 1688 00:56:22,208 --> 00:56:24,500 testing or looking at hormones, etc. 1689 00:56:25,916 --> 00:56:28,708 But before we get there, could you break 1690 00:56:28,708 --> 00:56:33,583 down all of this sort of, you've 1691 00:56:33,583 --> 00:56:36,333 mentioned these various genes, not 1692 00:56:36,333 --> 00:56:38,000 alleles specifically, but these genes, 1693 00:56:38,291 --> 00:56:41,625 these comT, we've mentioned comethal 1694 00:56:41,625 --> 00:56:43,833 transferase, you've mentioned various 1695 00:56:43,833 --> 00:56:45,875 methylation markers, etc. 1696 00:56:45,916 --> 00:56:49,750 Can you break down, I mean, number one, 1697 00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:50,833 what test do you use 1698 00:56:50,833 --> 00:56:51,750 just out of interest? 1699 00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:52,583 And then number two, 1700 00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:56,166 what are these genes and then how do they 1701 00:56:56,166 --> 00:56:59,875 provide a framework for you to then start working with people? 1702 00:57:00,916 --> 00:57:05,416 The big one today, and I've found, I just 1703 00:57:05,416 --> 00:57:06,458 hear it everywhere, but it 1704 00:57:06,458 --> 00:57:08,083 isn't really the big one. 1705 00:57:08,958 --> 00:57:11,541 People now were talking so much about the 1706 00:57:11,541 --> 00:57:15,458 MTHFR gene break, right? 1707 00:57:15,958 --> 00:57:17,333 So apparently 45%. 1708 00:57:18,416 --> 00:57:22,750 I'm not sure whether it is 45%, but it's 1709 00:57:22,750 --> 00:57:25,583 supposed to be 45% across the USA. 1710 00:57:25,916 --> 00:57:28,083 So I'm not sure what it is in this 1711 00:57:28,083 --> 00:57:31,750 country, but it's approximately around 1712 00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:33,375 40% of a gene break. 1713 00:57:33,875 --> 00:57:35,500 And this doesn't mean to say that you 1714 00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:37,625 can't methylate properly. 1715 00:57:37,625 --> 00:57:38,583 It means that you can't 1716 00:57:38,583 --> 00:57:41,041 methylate fully or to some degree. 1717 00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:42,583 What is methylation? 1718 00:57:42,583 --> 00:57:43,625 What is MTHFR? 1719 00:57:43,625 --> 00:57:45,333 Let's start there, because I think people 1720 00:57:45,333 --> 00:57:46,458 have heard a lot of 1721 00:57:46,458 --> 00:57:47,625 what these concepts are. 1722 00:57:47,625 --> 00:57:48,333 People like Gary Bregner 1723 00:57:48,333 --> 00:57:49,583 talk about methylation a lot. 1724 00:57:50,291 --> 00:57:52,375 But what exactly is 1725 00:57:52,375 --> 00:57:54,750 MTHFR and methylation? 1726 00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:55,291 Why is it important? 1727 00:57:55,958 --> 00:57:57,166 Methylation. 1728 00:57:57,833 --> 00:57:58,291 Goodness. 1729 00:57:58,291 --> 00:57:59,125 You can explain it in 1730 00:57:59,125 --> 00:58:00,000 so many different ways. 1731 00:58:00,583 --> 00:58:02,250 Basically, it's a process that would take 1732 00:58:02,250 --> 00:58:03,750 place thousands of times a second. 1733 00:58:04,750 --> 00:58:06,166 Thousands of times a 1734 00:58:06,166 --> 00:58:08,166 second, not just a thousand. 1735 00:58:08,791 --> 00:58:09,875 Thousands of times a second. 1736 00:58:10,916 --> 00:58:14,833 And it's a process where your body takes 1737 00:58:14,833 --> 00:58:17,541 substrates and it converts them into 1738 00:58:17,541 --> 00:58:19,125 things that it can actually use. 1739 00:58:19,916 --> 00:58:21,291 So it's nothing new. 1740 00:58:21,708 --> 00:58:23,125 Obviously, it's been around for a long 1741 00:58:23,125 --> 00:58:24,875 time, but we understand more of it. 1742 00:58:24,916 --> 00:58:29,250 And we have a particular gene that is 1743 00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:31,291 important in methylation. 1744 00:58:31,916 --> 00:58:34,000 And I'm no expert in this. 1745 00:58:34,416 --> 00:58:37,208 The labs do the analysis and then they 1746 00:58:37,208 --> 00:58:39,166 send the analysis to me and I have an 1747 00:58:39,166 --> 00:58:40,875 understanding and I work with people. 1748 00:58:40,916 --> 00:58:44,375 And I've had this will be interesting. 1749 00:58:44,375 --> 00:58:45,458 I'm going to bring to you in a minute. 1750 00:58:45,458 --> 00:58:51,000 But so if that explains the MTHFR, right? 1751 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,250 It's the process of converting substrates 1752 00:58:54,250 --> 00:58:58,791 into usable forms of compounds within 1753 00:58:58,791 --> 00:58:59,958 your body that your 1754 00:58:59,958 --> 00:59:01,875 body can actually use then. 1755 00:59:02,250 --> 00:59:03,375 So we have a number of 1756 00:59:03,375 --> 00:59:04,625 different substrates. 1757 00:59:05,458 --> 00:59:08,375 We put in the roars and then we put in 1758 00:59:08,375 --> 00:59:11,416 like the B vitamins and then the B 1759 00:59:11,416 --> 00:59:12,500 vitamins are converted. 1760 00:59:13,208 --> 00:59:15,125 So we get the B2, which is for the 1761 00:59:15,125 --> 00:59:20,208 conversion with the it's converting the 1762 00:59:20,208 --> 00:59:22,750 niacin or niacinamide along the way. 1763 00:59:22,916 --> 00:59:23,500 So we can add the 1764 00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:25,333 riboflavin with the niacinamide. 1765 00:59:25,916 --> 00:59:26,791 So we work in towards 1766 00:59:26,791 --> 00:59:28,291 the serotonin type things. 1767 00:59:28,291 --> 00:59:29,375 So we look in there at the 1768 00:59:29,375 --> 00:59:32,250 comp tea and other things. 1769 00:59:32,958 --> 00:59:35,250 And initially, when you start out doing 1770 00:59:35,250 --> 00:59:37,250 this, if somebody knew nothing about it 1771 00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:40,958 and they went to learn about it, it's a 1772 00:59:40,958 --> 00:59:43,208 very sort of niche and complex thing. 1773 00:59:43,916 --> 00:59:49,958 And it's taken me actually a long because 1774 00:59:49,958 --> 00:59:52,250 you can read this, Rob, and you can read 1775 00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:53,000 it and you can just go, 1776 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,000 oh, yeah, I understand. 1777 00:59:54,333 --> 00:59:55,791 But when you get somebody who comes to 1778 00:59:55,791 --> 00:59:57,000 you and just say like, 1779 00:59:58,916 --> 01:00:00,083 so what's the fix all? 1780 01:00:00,083 --> 01:00:01,416 What's the universal fix all? 1781 01:00:01,416 --> 01:00:02,458 It would be TMG. 1782 01:00:04,083 --> 01:00:05,208 I can't take TMG. 1783 01:00:06,333 --> 01:00:08,291 It makes me feel ill. 1784 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:09,166 Right. 1785 01:00:09,541 --> 01:00:10,250 Because it over-methylates you. 1786 01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:12,250 Yeah, because it over-methylates me. 1787 01:00:12,833 --> 01:00:15,583 And so I've got clients and they say, I 1788 01:00:15,583 --> 01:00:17,000 can't accept methyl donors. 1789 01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:18,708 And I say, right. 1790 01:00:19,083 --> 01:00:19,875 So then it's like, 1791 01:00:19,875 --> 01:00:21,125 what can you work with? 1792 01:00:21,375 --> 01:00:23,166 What's the standard methylation fix? 1793 01:00:23,375 --> 01:00:25,500 So you can't use TMG, so that, you know, 1794 01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:26,541 down the conversion pathway. 1795 01:00:26,833 --> 01:00:28,166 So then what have you got? 1796 01:00:28,666 --> 01:00:29,125 You know what I mean? 1797 01:00:29,125 --> 01:00:30,666 You've got different things and I've got 1798 01:00:30,666 --> 01:00:32,208 people coming to me and they just say, I 1799 01:00:32,208 --> 01:00:32,875 can't tolerate methyl photo. 1800 01:00:32,916 --> 01:00:35,916 And I'm like, right. 1801 01:00:36,416 --> 01:00:36,625 Okay. 1802 01:00:37,083 --> 01:00:38,500 Well, you know, so they get. 1803 01:00:38,708 --> 01:00:40,500 Phalenic acid, which is a non-methylated. 1804 01:00:41,541 --> 01:00:46,083 And then like they just say, I cannot 1805 01:00:46,083 --> 01:00:47,708 tolerate the methylcobalamin. 1806 01:00:47,708 --> 01:00:48,541 Well, I'm like, yeah, 1807 01:00:48,541 --> 01:00:49,750 or hydroxycobalamin. 1808 01:00:50,250 --> 01:00:52,791 So there's, so I've got to go through all 1809 01:00:52,791 --> 01:00:53,458 these different things. 1810 01:00:53,458 --> 01:00:56,208 I've got to know every single alternative 1811 01:00:56,208 --> 01:00:58,083 and where that fits in 1812 01:00:58,083 --> 01:00:58,875 the methylation chain. 1813 01:00:58,916 --> 01:01:00,500 You know what I mean? 1814 01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:01,958 And when people are having problems with 1815 01:01:01,958 --> 01:01:03,333 thyroid and things like that. 1816 01:01:03,583 --> 01:01:05,541 And that folate cycle specifically when 1817 01:01:05,541 --> 01:01:07,791 talking about MTHFR, we're talking about 1818 01:01:07,791 --> 01:01:10,333 the way that B9 is 1819 01:01:10,333 --> 01:01:11,500 metabolized in the body. 1820 01:01:12,208 --> 01:01:12,416 Yes. 1821 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:13,208 Yes. 1822 01:01:13,583 --> 01:01:13,958 That's that. 1823 01:01:14,208 --> 01:01:15,333 You know, that's basically it. 1824 01:01:15,625 --> 01:01:17,250 And a lot of people, I mean, I'm sure you 1825 01:01:17,250 --> 01:01:19,250 know this, if you formulate all the 1826 01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:20,833 supplements and everything. 1827 01:01:21,375 --> 01:01:23,666 But a lot of a lot of people are still 1828 01:01:23,666 --> 01:01:25,791 asking me, you know, what's the best 1829 01:01:25,791 --> 01:01:27,000 supplement to buy here? 1830 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:27,791 What's the supplement? 1831 01:01:27,916 --> 01:01:30,458 So I'm basically I'm passing on your 1832 01:01:30,458 --> 01:01:31,416 company for all of these. 1833 01:01:31,791 --> 01:01:32,250 There are. 1834 01:01:32,625 --> 01:01:34,750 There is another company that actually do 1835 01:01:34,750 --> 01:01:41,291 does do does that does do a good basic 1836 01:01:41,291 --> 01:01:45,500 selection of supplements that single 1837 01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:46,166 ingredient products. 1838 01:01:46,166 --> 01:01:46,500 Yeah. 1839 01:01:47,083 --> 01:01:47,666 Yeah. 1840 01:01:47,666 --> 01:01:49,041 Just single ingredient products. 1841 01:01:49,291 --> 01:01:50,916 And they do do some quite good things. 1842 01:01:50,916 --> 01:01:51,833 And they do do. 1843 01:01:52,916 --> 01:01:54,166 Again, we did the do do. 1844 01:01:54,541 --> 01:01:58,000 They do a methylated multivitamin. 1845 01:01:59,166 --> 01:02:01,083 And when I look at it, general, I just 1846 01:02:01,083 --> 01:02:05,708 think, that's the kind of a good fix for 1847 01:02:05,708 --> 01:02:06,916 like a lot of people. 1848 01:02:06,916 --> 01:02:08,416 You know, I mean, because the levels of 1849 01:02:08,416 --> 01:02:09,458 things aren't too high. 1850 01:02:09,791 --> 01:02:12,500 And it's a basic start for most people, 1851 01:02:12,500 --> 01:02:14,166 because when I'm putting them on 1852 01:02:14,166 --> 01:02:15,916 methylated things, I'm just thinking, 1853 01:02:16,291 --> 01:02:17,875 well, you know, I mean, I can put on. 1854 01:02:17,916 --> 01:02:20,291 I can put them on Sami, you 1855 01:02:20,291 --> 01:02:21,583 know, I mean, I'll methionine. 1856 01:02:21,958 --> 01:02:24,125 And as long as and some people are like 1857 01:02:24,125 --> 01:02:25,166 not, they're not using 1858 01:02:25,166 --> 01:02:26,750 anywhere near enough magnesium. 1859 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,083 So the magnesium levels are really low. 1860 01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:32,208 The zinc levels are really low. 1861 01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:33,750 So these things are on this side. 1862 01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:34,708 Well, I'm taking this and 1863 01:02:34,708 --> 01:02:35,541 I'm feeling bad on this. 1864 01:02:35,541 --> 01:02:36,583 And I'm saying, what? 1865 01:02:36,708 --> 01:02:37,333 Where's your magnesium? 1866 01:02:37,541 --> 01:02:38,958 This what type of magnesium are you using 1867 01:02:38,958 --> 01:02:39,875 before you go to bed? 1868 01:02:40,083 --> 01:02:41,458 Are you using the three on it or are you 1869 01:02:41,458 --> 01:02:42,500 still using the glycinate? 1870 01:02:42,875 --> 01:02:44,208 You know me, I just change 1871 01:02:44,208 --> 01:02:44,875 these things round a little bit. 1872 01:02:44,916 --> 01:02:48,458 And it's like, I'm just thinking, it 1873 01:02:48,458 --> 01:02:51,583 seems like a simple thing to 1874 01:02:51,583 --> 01:02:53,583 me, but like to them, it's like, 1875 01:02:53,583 --> 01:02:54,416 of course. 1876 01:02:55,166 --> 01:02:58,041 And are you looking at actual levels of 1877 01:02:58,041 --> 01:03:00,500 these vitamins and nutrients in people's 1878 01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:03,541 bloodstream with a Nutrivel test or just 1879 01:03:03,541 --> 01:03:04,875 a serum sort of workup of these nutrients? 1880 01:03:05,916 --> 01:03:06,750 Because obviously, a 1881 01:03:06,750 --> 01:03:07,958 genetic test is great. 1882 01:03:07,958 --> 01:03:09,708 It's got a highlight where you may have 1883 01:03:09,708 --> 01:03:11,666 bottlenecks in the system to begin with, 1884 01:03:11,666 --> 01:03:13,291 but it's not necessarily going to tell 1885 01:03:13,291 --> 01:03:16,083 you if you have a frank 1886 01:03:16,083 --> 01:03:18,000 deficiency in something. 1887 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,791 Whereas if you were to test something 1888 01:03:19,791 --> 01:03:22,125 like a homocysteine, for example, then 1889 01:03:22,125 --> 01:03:24,333 that might indicate you have a B12 1890 01:03:24,333 --> 01:03:25,583 deficiency or even if you're 1891 01:03:25,583 --> 01:03:27,041 just looking at a basic CBC, 1892 01:03:28,125 --> 01:03:30,000 a complete blood count that can highlight 1893 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,875 nutrient deficiencies as well. 1894 01:03:31,916 --> 01:03:34,791 Are you utilizing any of that sort of 1895 01:03:34,791 --> 01:03:36,125 testing or is that sort of... 1896 01:03:36,416 --> 01:03:37,541 People usually have that 1897 01:03:37,541 --> 01:03:39,041 before they come to me. 1898 01:03:39,583 --> 01:03:43,458 So these are like somebody, 1899 01:03:44,666 --> 01:03:45,333 how was it now? 1900 01:03:45,916 --> 01:03:48,500 42 years old, 42 years old, 1901 01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:49,666 and he's a genetic anomaly. 1902 01:03:49,916 --> 01:03:53,500 So that means that basically this guy 1903 01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:56,000 should be...for gaining 1904 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,000 muscle, he should be massive. 1905 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,291 And yeah, he's not, 1906 01:04:01,291 --> 01:04:02,083 and he's got problems. 1907 01:04:02,291 --> 01:04:04,333 So he has problems with methylation. 1908 01:04:06,791 --> 01:04:10,416 Was that an ACTN3 gene mutation? 1909 01:04:11,916 --> 01:04:13,583 I'm not sure, to be honest. 1910 01:04:13,583 --> 01:04:15,000 I mean, I'm going back a while. 1911 01:04:16,458 --> 01:04:20,958 But I just remember looking through his 1912 01:04:20,958 --> 01:04:23,375 report and I just remember, so he's 1913 01:04:23,375 --> 01:04:24,458 genetically predisposed 1914 01:04:24,458 --> 01:04:25,583 to gain a lot of muscle. 1915 01:04:26,375 --> 01:04:30,708 But offset to that, he also had quite an 1916 01:04:30,708 --> 01:04:32,750 eye disposition to sarcopenia. 1917 01:04:32,750 --> 01:04:34,791 So basically, he could gain it quick, but 1918 01:04:34,791 --> 01:04:35,625 he could lose it quick. 1919 01:04:36,041 --> 01:04:38,541 Yeah, this concept of a polygenic risk 1920 01:04:38,541 --> 01:04:40,333 order where you have multiple different 1921 01:04:40,333 --> 01:04:43,500 genetic SNPs or single-nuclear type 1922 01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:46,416 polymorphisms that come together to 1923 01:04:46,416 --> 01:04:49,791 produce a report that shows you not just 1924 01:04:49,791 --> 01:04:52,833 the result of one set of genes, whether 1925 01:04:52,833 --> 01:04:57,125 it's compti or NTHFR or whatever, but the 1926 01:04:57,125 --> 01:04:59,625 collective result of that group of genes 1927 01:04:59,625 --> 01:05:02,500 and how that is going to then potentially 1928 01:05:02,500 --> 01:05:04,791 sort of create an 1929 01:05:04,791 --> 01:05:06,500 outcome in your biology. 1930 01:05:06,750 --> 01:05:07,666 Because I think what...and 1931 01:05:07,666 --> 01:05:09,000 I mean, I'm a biochemist. 1932 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,291 I get wrapped up in mechanism 1933 01:05:10,291 --> 01:05:11,958 as much as the next guy does. 1934 01:05:12,333 --> 01:05:14,041 But I think what you've got to be careful 1935 01:05:14,041 --> 01:05:15,791 of, and of course you do this, is that 1936 01:05:15,791 --> 01:05:18,208 looking at these markers and isolation 1937 01:05:18,208 --> 01:05:21,250 can be detrimental because we are, as 1938 01:05:21,250 --> 01:05:23,500 human beings, we are more than just 1939 01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:26,875 individual mechanisms, individual genes. 1940 01:05:26,916 --> 01:05:30,375 We are the result of millions and 1941 01:05:30,375 --> 01:05:32,541 millions of processes within the body, 1942 01:05:32,541 --> 01:05:35,333 all of which are there in some way, shape 1943 01:05:35,333 --> 01:05:38,083 or form to support any 1944 01:05:38,083 --> 01:05:40,333 issues that are in us. 1945 01:05:40,750 --> 01:05:42,833 So we have all of these compensations 1946 01:05:42,833 --> 01:05:43,875 that sort of come together. 1947 01:05:43,916 --> 01:05:45,458 And when you look at that data as a 1948 01:05:45,458 --> 01:05:47,125 whole, through these things like a 1949 01:05:47,125 --> 01:05:48,375 polygenic risk assessment, 1950 01:05:48,916 --> 01:05:51,416 then you can make, I feel, 1951 01:05:52,750 --> 01:05:55,791 maybe a more...you can take out a more 1952 01:05:55,791 --> 01:05:57,708 holistic view, one might say, opposed to 1953 01:05:57,708 --> 01:06:00,875 just sort of picking out a single gene. 1954 01:06:00,916 --> 01:06:02,458 But that's not to say that these genes 1955 01:06:02,458 --> 01:06:03,750 don't have value and obviously you're 1956 01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:05,250 having tremendous success with them. 1957 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,000 So, but yeah, I think just to sort of 1958 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,583 maybe carry that forward for you and sort 1959 01:06:12,583 --> 01:06:14,583 of wrap that up that segment. 1960 01:06:14,916 --> 01:06:18,625 And yeah, I think that's where we've 1961 01:06:18,625 --> 01:06:20,916 inadvertently already discussed now the 1962 01:06:20,916 --> 01:06:23,333 this idea of forensic nutrition, and 1963 01:06:23,333 --> 01:06:24,916 correct me if I'm wrong, but this idea 1964 01:06:24,916 --> 01:06:27,458 that you're utilizing different forms of 1965 01:06:27,458 --> 01:06:29,958 testing to isolate deficiencies and 1966 01:06:29,958 --> 01:06:31,083 genetic abnormalities, 1967 01:06:32,125 --> 01:06:35,083 single nucleotide polymorphisms, excuse 1968 01:06:35,083 --> 01:06:37,333 me, as they call those SNPs, to look for 1969 01:06:37,333 --> 01:06:40,666 bottlenecks in human biology that stop 1970 01:06:40,666 --> 01:06:44,083 individuals from then sort of performing 1971 01:06:44,083 --> 01:06:46,375 at their best or achieving their goals. 1972 01:06:46,791 --> 01:06:47,458 Would that be a fair 1973 01:06:47,458 --> 01:06:48,208 summary, do you think? 1974 01:06:49,125 --> 01:06:51,083 Yeah, I think it is because you mentioned 1975 01:06:51,083 --> 01:06:53,833 that so a person's already had a blood 1976 01:06:53,833 --> 01:06:57,166 test, so I can look at the bloods. 1977 01:06:57,500 --> 01:06:59,291 And then sometimes it's like I'm looking 1978 01:06:59,291 --> 01:07:00,875 at, well, something doesn't add up here. 1979 01:07:01,916 --> 01:07:04,083 So we then we put the genetic testing and 1980 01:07:04,083 --> 01:07:06,291 the thing, you know, the thing about 1981 01:07:06,291 --> 01:07:08,791 genes is I learned, I learned this only 1982 01:07:08,791 --> 01:07:10,958 like, I would say this year, 1983 01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:16,250 as I was listening to a podcast from from 1984 01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:19,041 a genetics expert, and she was saying, 1985 01:07:19,500 --> 01:07:21,541 our genes are changing every eight 1986 01:07:21,541 --> 01:07:22,833 seconds, our DNA 1987 01:07:22,833 --> 01:07:23,875 obviously remains the same. 1988 01:07:23,916 --> 01:07:25,291 So we've got basically an 1989 01:07:25,291 --> 01:07:26,541 influence upon our genes. 1990 01:07:27,166 --> 01:07:29,958 And then, yeah, epigenetics. 1991 01:07:30,625 --> 01:07:32,875 So basically, that's been one of the 1992 01:07:32,875 --> 01:07:36,458 things that I've worked in for like 10 to 1993 01:07:36,458 --> 01:07:37,875 12 years when it first became a thing. 1994 01:07:37,916 --> 01:07:41,083 And the way that things, the way that 1995 01:07:41,083 --> 01:07:44,125 supplements an environment, an internal 1996 01:07:44,125 --> 01:07:47,041 environment and things like hydration can 1997 01:07:47,041 --> 01:07:49,291 just affect the way that we work and mood 1998 01:07:49,291 --> 01:07:53,916 and and sound and music and frequency and 1999 01:07:53,916 --> 01:07:55,916 432 hertz as opposed to 2000 01:07:55,916 --> 01:07:57,875 440 and things like this. 2001 01:07:57,916 --> 01:08:01,625 And I just so I find it interesting this 2002 01:08:01,625 --> 01:08:06,916 whole areas that you can talk about the 2003 01:08:06,916 --> 01:08:08,750 so very interesting. 2004 01:08:08,750 --> 01:08:10,125 And this is where this term holistic 2005 01:08:10,125 --> 01:08:11,291 brings it all together. 2006 01:08:11,958 --> 01:08:15,375 And you cannot just say, genetic testing 2007 01:08:15,375 --> 01:08:16,833 that say and it covers everything. 2008 01:08:16,916 --> 01:08:20,416 Because you're looking at 2009 01:08:20,416 --> 01:08:22,416 such a very small spectrum. 2010 01:08:22,416 --> 01:08:23,333 And when you're looking at things 2011 01:08:23,333 --> 01:08:25,875 forensically, you have to look at things 2012 01:08:25,875 --> 01:08:29,583 like a detective, and you have to have an 2013 01:08:29,583 --> 01:08:31,500 imagination that will take you out of 2014 01:08:31,500 --> 01:08:34,250 that place there and see a bigger picture 2015 01:08:34,250 --> 01:08:37,166 like a big frame and then built a zoom in 2016 01:08:37,166 --> 01:08:39,625 on different places and say, well, and if 2017 01:08:39,625 --> 01:08:41,166 you're wrong, you've just got to say, 2018 01:08:41,166 --> 01:08:42,875 right, okay, well, let's start again. 2019 01:08:42,916 --> 01:08:44,291 Maybe it's not that pathway. 2020 01:08:44,875 --> 01:08:45,541 Maybe it's another. 2021 01:08:46,625 --> 01:08:49,041 And I think that's the interesting thing. 2022 01:08:49,666 --> 01:08:51,458 That's what I love about what I'm doing. 2023 01:08:52,250 --> 01:08:53,833 There's so many different human beings 2024 01:08:53,833 --> 01:08:55,250 are so complex, Rob, that 2025 01:08:55,250 --> 01:08:56,916 there's so many different aspects. 2026 01:08:57,791 --> 01:08:59,125 Yeah, no, completely. 2027 01:09:00,583 --> 01:09:01,750 What are your thoughts on caffeine, 2028 01:09:02,333 --> 01:09:04,458 especially when coming to when talking 2029 01:09:04,458 --> 01:09:06,166 about helping people burnout? 2030 01:09:06,166 --> 01:09:06,375 I mean, 2031 01:09:08,375 --> 01:09:10,041 generally, I think you can 2032 01:09:10,041 --> 01:09:11,541 win this most most things. 2033 01:09:11,916 --> 01:09:14,291 But when you talk about taking someone's 2034 01:09:14,291 --> 01:09:15,750 caffeine away from them, they coffee away 2035 01:09:15,750 --> 01:09:17,416 from them, you're either going to it's a 2036 01:09:17,416 --> 01:09:18,541 very binary outcome. 2037 01:09:19,541 --> 01:09:21,666 Yes, or get knotted is 2038 01:09:21,666 --> 01:09:24,333 generally my experience there. 2039 01:09:24,750 --> 01:09:27,125 Would you think people can sort of work 2040 01:09:27,125 --> 01:09:29,333 through a burnt out state and still sort 2041 01:09:29,333 --> 01:09:32,458 of consume at least, maybe reduce it some 2042 01:09:32,458 --> 01:09:32,875 modicum of caffeine? 2043 01:09:32,916 --> 01:09:33,916 Yeah, 2044 01:09:35,583 --> 01:09:38,000 modification or replacement. 2045 01:09:39,875 --> 01:09:41,875 The usual strategies I would use 2046 01:09:41,875 --> 01:09:43,083 modification or replacement. 2047 01:09:43,541 --> 01:09:45,958 So, you know, if I'm saying to somebody, 2048 01:09:48,333 --> 01:09:51,250 one of the things that I know that is 2049 01:09:51,250 --> 01:09:54,458 that I process caffeine very fast, really 2050 01:09:54,458 --> 01:09:56,625 fast, I can burn it out incredibly fast. 2051 01:09:57,125 --> 01:09:59,583 And I can tolerate, I can tolerate very 2052 01:09:59,583 --> 01:10:01,291 high levels, I can have a super strong 2053 01:10:01,291 --> 01:10:01,875 coffee before I go to bed. 2054 01:10:03,291 --> 01:10:05,500 And just relax perfectly. 2055 01:10:06,333 --> 01:10:06,916 You know what I mean? 2056 01:10:06,916 --> 01:10:08,375 And sometimes like, well, 2057 01:10:08,375 --> 01:10:11,000 have I got an addiction to it? 2058 01:10:11,458 --> 01:10:12,750 Well, you know, it's a ribose inhibitor. 2059 01:10:13,083 --> 01:10:14,458 So basically, it's helping us. 2060 01:10:15,125 --> 01:10:16,541 Sorry? 2061 01:10:17,041 --> 01:10:17,875 It's 1A2, I believe. 2062 01:10:17,916 --> 01:10:19,041 Yeah, 2063 01:10:19,041 --> 01:10:20,291 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2064 01:10:20,291 --> 01:10:25,583 So basically, it's helping us to become 2065 01:10:25,583 --> 01:10:28,125 more focused in that area. 2066 01:10:29,458 --> 01:10:31,500 But also, I'm also aware, you know, the 2067 01:10:31,500 --> 01:10:33,083 caffeine addicts on the reduction of that 2068 01:10:33,083 --> 01:10:34,875 because they increase blood flow after. 2069 01:10:34,916 --> 01:10:38,500 So if I'm talking to anybody about 2070 01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:41,041 caffeine, I'm talking about really 2071 01:10:41,041 --> 01:10:42,125 caffeine regulation. 2072 01:10:43,083 --> 01:10:44,583 So at the end of it, if you have to keep 2073 01:10:44,583 --> 01:10:47,875 putting that into you to feel good, then 2074 01:10:47,875 --> 01:10:49,375 it's like, you know, 2075 01:10:49,375 --> 01:10:51,458 who's, who's in control here? 2076 01:10:51,666 --> 01:10:52,375 What's going on? 2077 01:10:52,625 --> 01:10:54,166 Yeah, what's going on? 2078 01:10:54,166 --> 01:10:54,791 You know, really. 2079 01:10:55,041 --> 01:10:57,375 So and when we're talking about things 2080 01:10:57,375 --> 01:10:59,000 like that, I'm saying like, right, so, 2081 01:10:59,166 --> 01:11:01,125 okay, so what's your job? 2082 01:11:01,125 --> 01:11:01,833 What are you doing? 2083 01:11:02,166 --> 01:11:02,875 And you need to keep 2084 01:11:02,875 --> 01:11:03,875 going through the day? 2085 01:11:03,916 --> 01:11:05,541 What about lower levels of caffeine? 2086 01:11:05,541 --> 01:11:07,166 You can use something like Yerba Mati, 2087 01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:09,458 which has got like much lower levels. 2088 01:11:09,875 --> 01:11:10,291 Do you know what I mean? 2089 01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:11,750 So, you know, that's okay. 2090 01:11:12,291 --> 01:11:13,083 It's more holistic. 2091 01:11:13,916 --> 01:11:15,208 It definitely does help. 2092 01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:16,500 I think that's a perfect 2093 01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:17,458 segue into supplements. 2094 01:11:18,166 --> 01:11:19,583 I know we're starting to run up on time. 2095 01:11:19,583 --> 01:11:21,250 And I'd like to talk about biohacking 2096 01:11:21,250 --> 01:11:21,791 next in your 2097 01:11:21,791 --> 01:11:23,083 preferred biohacks, of course. 2098 01:11:23,625 --> 01:11:25,541 But just from a supplement standpoint, 2099 01:11:25,958 --> 01:11:27,500 when working with people with 2100 01:11:27,500 --> 01:11:28,875 burnout, what do you prefer? 2101 01:11:28,916 --> 01:11:30,916 Maybe your your top three or four 2102 01:11:30,916 --> 01:11:32,000 supplements, obviously, you have 2103 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:35,458 adaptogens, utropics, Prohollins, things 2104 01:11:35,458 --> 01:11:38,250 like Pregnolone or DHEA to 2105 01:11:38,250 --> 01:11:40,666 support the endocrine system. 2106 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,333 But what are your your sort 2107 01:11:42,333 --> 01:11:43,875 of top three or four go to's? 2108 01:11:44,916 --> 01:11:47,791 For me personally, I can tell you mine 2109 01:11:47,791 --> 01:11:48,500 and then I can tell you 2110 01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:49,666 what I recommend for everybody. 2111 01:11:50,750 --> 01:11:52,250 So these are the baselines. 2112 01:11:52,833 --> 01:11:55,208 So the baseline is a good 2113 01:11:55,208 --> 01:11:59,583 stack for an anti Alzheimer's. 2114 01:12:00,916 --> 01:12:04,958 I looked into this and exactly, you know, 2115 01:12:04,958 --> 01:12:06,416 the type three diabetes and 2116 01:12:06,416 --> 01:12:08,041 the and what exactly it is. 2117 01:12:08,041 --> 01:12:10,375 So I look at these things and the lion's 2118 01:12:10,375 --> 01:12:13,625 mane and the cordyceps are a good two 2119 01:12:13,625 --> 01:12:17,083 together because the working mushrooms. 2120 01:12:17,958 --> 01:12:18,666 Yeah, be mushrooms. 2121 01:12:19,208 --> 01:12:22,166 Yes, they're both mushrooms from the 2122 01:12:22,166 --> 01:12:24,000 fruiting body of the 2123 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,000 mushroom, not the mycelium. 2124 01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:28,416 And they're basically proven. 2125 01:12:30,583 --> 01:12:31,916 You know, I could I could talk a long 2126 01:12:31,916 --> 01:12:33,458 time for this, but they're 2127 01:12:33,458 --> 01:12:34,541 basically proven to work. 2128 01:12:35,208 --> 01:12:37,791 So they will generate, they will 2129 01:12:37,791 --> 01:12:42,625 regenerate the axonal sheath and the the 2130 01:12:42,625 --> 01:12:44,250 also the nerve body. 2131 01:12:44,625 --> 01:12:47,208 And they'll also work within the 2132 01:12:47,208 --> 01:12:48,791 mitochondria and 2133 01:12:48,791 --> 01:12:50,541 mitochondrial health, as you know, is top. 2134 01:12:51,166 --> 01:12:53,000 So I'm thinking them two 2135 01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,750 things are really good. 2136 01:12:55,125 --> 01:12:57,750 The ashwagandha, you can't 2137 01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:58,875 deny it's a great adaptogen. 2138 01:12:58,916 --> 01:13:02,250 And it is and it does work really good. 2139 01:13:03,041 --> 01:13:06,000 But there's some people using spirulina 2140 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,875 for, you know, for obvious reasons. 2141 01:13:09,958 --> 01:13:15,000 But on on cellular protection, there's a 2142 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,000 lot of recent evidence that the creating 2143 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,583 the creating one hydrate is 2144 01:13:19,583 --> 01:13:21,875 actually good for cellular. 2145 01:13:21,916 --> 01:13:25,000 So it's like protection, like stability 2146 01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:26,708 and things like that. 2147 01:13:26,958 --> 01:13:28,291 Obviously, recycle ATP. 2148 01:13:28,666 --> 01:13:29,083 Yes. 2149 01:13:29,333 --> 01:13:31,625 It donates a phosphate group to ADP 2150 01:13:31,625 --> 01:13:33,083 turning it back into ATP. 2151 01:13:33,833 --> 01:13:35,375 So you just end up with more of that 2152 01:13:35,375 --> 01:13:36,583 cellular energy, correct? 2153 01:13:37,291 --> 01:13:37,500 Yes. 2154 01:13:37,875 --> 01:13:38,083 Yeah. 2155 01:13:38,333 --> 01:13:39,333 Basically, that's it. 2156 01:13:39,458 --> 01:13:39,958 So you're good. 2157 01:13:39,958 --> 01:13:41,250 It's good from your startup system. 2158 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,000 And it's proven to 2159 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,750 maintain that integrity. 2160 01:13:46,666 --> 01:13:47,500 So that's a good thing. 2161 01:13:47,958 --> 01:13:50,333 So like if you're using the mushrooms and 2162 01:13:50,333 --> 01:13:51,833 you're using the creating, 2163 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,500 you know, that's a good thing. 2164 01:13:55,708 --> 01:13:57,583 And one thing I always 2165 01:13:57,583 --> 01:14:00,125 recommend is the vitamin D3. 2166 01:14:01,916 --> 01:14:05,500 And the doses, if you look on Google, 2167 01:14:05,500 --> 01:14:06,416 Google will tell you 2168 01:14:06,416 --> 01:14:09,875 minute doses like 400. 2169 01:14:09,916 --> 01:14:12,208 I mean, it's not even in milligrams. 2170 01:14:12,208 --> 01:14:13,666 It's not even in micrograms. 2171 01:14:13,666 --> 01:14:14,958 It's international units. 2172 01:14:15,666 --> 01:14:16,750 You know, I mean, so that's tiny. 2173 01:14:17,375 --> 01:14:18,375 So when you put it in international 2174 01:14:18,375 --> 01:14:19,791 units, you start to make it 2175 01:14:19,791 --> 01:14:21,041 sound bigger than what it is. 2176 01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:23,000 And when you look at like 5000 2177 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,875 international units, it's actually tiny. 2178 01:14:24,916 --> 01:14:27,458 This is my point point to five or 2179 01:14:27,458 --> 01:14:28,708 something like that. 2180 01:14:29,375 --> 01:14:34,125 And so what I actually use, I use twenty 2181 01:14:34,125 --> 01:14:36,791 thousand twenty thousand international 2182 01:14:36,791 --> 01:14:38,416 units of vitamin D every day. 2183 01:14:39,916 --> 01:14:42,375 And because it's technically a hormone. 2184 01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:46,458 So I'm using that and magic things happen 2185 01:14:46,458 --> 01:14:48,625 when you use twenty to thirty thousand. 2186 01:14:48,916 --> 01:14:50,666 Now, I'm not saying go out and do that. 2187 01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,250 I'm saying if you are interested, you can 2188 01:14:52,250 --> 01:14:53,500 have you can have a test. 2189 01:14:54,666 --> 01:14:57,333 But the way that I function, my body's 2190 01:14:57,333 --> 01:14:59,250 under a lot of stress and I burn out 2191 01:14:59,250 --> 01:15:02,666 magnesium at a phenomenal rate in the gym 2192 01:15:02,666 --> 01:15:03,708 and other things like that. 2193 01:15:03,708 --> 01:15:04,958 And so my body's under a lot of stress. 2194 01:15:04,958 --> 01:15:06,583 So magnesium is used up very quickly. 2195 01:15:06,791 --> 01:15:09,083 So my magnesium levels are not 2196 01:15:09,083 --> 01:15:10,916 phenomenally high, but 2197 01:15:10,916 --> 01:15:12,583 I keep the intake in. 2198 01:15:12,916 --> 01:15:13,875 So I have two 2199 01:15:13,875 --> 01:15:15,541 magnesium three times a day. 2200 01:15:16,166 --> 01:15:17,166 So keeping that up. 2201 01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:19,416 And that's like over a 2202 01:15:19,416 --> 01:15:23,000 grand source in the day. 2203 01:15:23,916 --> 01:15:25,541 Glistenate in the 2204 01:15:25,541 --> 01:15:26,500 evening three and eight. 2205 01:15:26,791 --> 01:15:28,291 OK, that's interesting. 2206 01:15:28,291 --> 01:15:29,041 Most people, I think, would 2207 01:15:29,041 --> 01:15:29,916 do it the other way around. 2208 01:15:30,166 --> 01:15:31,625 But that's working for you. 2209 01:15:31,625 --> 01:15:32,000 That's amazing. 2210 01:15:32,416 --> 01:15:33,458 I mean, that that's perfect. 2211 01:15:34,625 --> 01:15:35,625 That's awesome. 2212 01:15:35,625 --> 01:15:39,833 OK, so we've got we've we've got the the 2213 01:15:39,833 --> 01:15:40,666 adaptogenic mushrooms. 2214 01:15:40,916 --> 01:15:43,041 You I think you talked about quarter sips 2215 01:15:43,041 --> 01:15:44,875 and then lines made creatine, 2216 01:15:44,875 --> 01:15:46,416 vitamin D3 and then magnesium. 2217 01:15:46,833 --> 01:15:48,291 And those would be your top sort of four 2218 01:15:48,291 --> 01:15:50,416 or five supplements for helping people to 2219 01:15:50,416 --> 01:15:52,333 sort of maintain where they're at and 2220 01:15:52,333 --> 01:15:52,875 then potentially 2221 01:15:52,875 --> 01:15:54,416 start to reverse burnout. 2222 01:15:54,916 --> 01:15:56,458 The only other thing that's missed out on 2223 01:15:56,458 --> 01:15:57,416 that is zinc, that 2224 01:15:57,416 --> 01:15:58,791 cellular protection as well. 2225 01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:00,416 So that's basically Teflon 2226 01:16:00,416 --> 01:16:01,583 coating your cells, really. 2227 01:16:01,916 --> 01:16:04,000 So that's a good thing that's that's 2228 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,541 actually needed in the 2229 01:16:06,541 --> 01:16:08,875 the protection of the cells. 2230 01:16:09,916 --> 01:16:10,791 There's other things as well. 2231 01:16:11,083 --> 01:16:11,875 There's quercetin. 2232 01:16:12,333 --> 01:16:14,083 There's quercetin, which is basically I 2233 01:16:14,083 --> 01:16:16,833 put the me personally, I put quercetin 2234 01:16:16,833 --> 01:16:19,208 with the with the creatine and with the 2235 01:16:19,208 --> 01:16:21,208 zinc and it has a really good protective 2236 01:16:21,208 --> 01:16:23,208 effect on the cells. 2237 01:16:24,250 --> 01:16:28,583 But them is my go to really, you know, 2238 01:16:28,791 --> 01:16:30,333 for for maintaining performance. 2239 01:16:30,833 --> 01:16:32,500 I can add a few different things to it, 2240 01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:34,916 you know, but the NAC is thrown in there 2241 01:16:34,916 --> 01:16:39,541 for me as well because, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2242 01:16:39,541 --> 01:16:40,666 So that works really good. 2243 01:16:41,375 --> 01:16:41,583 Perfect. 2244 01:16:41,958 --> 01:16:43,291 Let's get into biohacking, something I 2245 01:16:43,291 --> 01:16:43,875 know you're passionate about. 2246 01:16:43,916 --> 01:16:47,041 Okay, specifically talking about people 2247 01:16:47,041 --> 01:16:49,000 with burnout or who are struggling with 2248 01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,333 burnout or think they are burnt out 2249 01:16:51,333 --> 01:16:53,791 anything in that in that in that area. 2250 01:16:54,250 --> 01:16:56,833 What are your your, let's say, top three 2251 01:16:56,833 --> 01:17:00,291 wearables piece of pieces of kit, excuse 2252 01:17:00,291 --> 01:17:02,541 me, that you would recommend to somebody 2253 01:17:02,541 --> 01:17:06,208 and why to help them sort of start to 2254 01:17:06,208 --> 01:17:08,125 recover from this the 2255 01:17:08,125 --> 01:17:09,541 state of being burnt out. 2256 01:17:10,916 --> 01:17:14,666 Now, this is now we, Kelly and myself 2257 01:17:14,666 --> 01:17:17,041 have been gifted from a 2258 01:17:17,041 --> 01:17:18,333 company called Kamira. 2259 01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:20,583 We've been gifted some track suits, 2260 01:17:20,833 --> 01:17:22,708 t-shirts, socks and lounge wear. 2261 01:17:23,500 --> 01:17:26,125 And what they are is they are the fibers, 2262 01:17:26,916 --> 01:17:29,416 they're infrared generating reflecting 2263 01:17:29,416 --> 01:17:32,500 fibers, which basically help heal. 2264 01:17:33,375 --> 01:17:36,291 And the difference is I wore, we went 2265 01:17:36,291 --> 01:17:38,000 away, we went to Carmel 2266 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:38,875 and I wore the t-shirt. 2267 01:17:38,916 --> 01:17:41,333 I had a cotton t-shirt on and 2268 01:17:41,333 --> 01:17:43,333 then I wore the Kamira t-shirt. 2269 01:17:44,041 --> 01:17:46,500 So it kept me cooler, which is quite 2270 01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:48,333 interesting to start with. 2271 01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:49,750 And the recovery. 2272 01:17:50,083 --> 01:17:52,166 So basically, when I'm training, I'm 2273 01:17:52,166 --> 01:17:53,791 training one of these t-shirts now. 2274 01:17:55,291 --> 01:17:57,250 And it's it's aid in recovery. 2275 01:17:57,833 --> 01:17:58,666 It's helping me. 2276 01:17:59,000 --> 01:17:59,791 How's that working? 2277 01:17:59,791 --> 01:18:01,833 Do you know, if not, it's not a problem. 2278 01:18:01,916 --> 01:18:04,541 I'm not sure, Rob, I'm not sure of the 2279 01:18:04,541 --> 01:18:07,500 technology, but basically the fibers, 2280 01:18:08,041 --> 01:18:10,541 they're basically able to generate some 2281 01:18:10,541 --> 01:18:13,791 kind of infrared, the same principle that 2282 01:18:13,791 --> 01:18:16,458 the that you would get the near end and 2283 01:18:16,458 --> 01:18:18,125 the infrared from the sun basically at 2284 01:18:18,125 --> 01:18:19,500 the low levels of brightness. 2285 01:18:21,083 --> 01:18:22,750 So basically, that's that's 2286 01:18:22,750 --> 01:18:23,583 what we're looking at there. 2287 01:18:24,041 --> 01:18:25,125 So you're covering every area. 2288 01:18:25,125 --> 01:18:25,625 So you've got the 2289 01:18:25,625 --> 01:18:26,583 socks and things like that. 2290 01:18:26,833 --> 01:18:29,416 So Kamira have been they have been good 2291 01:18:29,416 --> 01:18:31,125 and I've witnessed it. 2292 01:18:31,125 --> 01:18:31,958 Collects witnessed it. 2293 01:18:32,875 --> 01:18:34,708 I can't speak for any for anybody else, 2294 01:18:34,708 --> 01:18:36,500 but that's been a you 2295 01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:37,708 know, that's been a good thing. 2296 01:18:38,916 --> 01:18:40,916 I don't actually I don't have a 2297 01:18:40,916 --> 01:18:42,708 smartwatch or anything like that. 2298 01:18:43,666 --> 01:18:46,166 What I do tend to do is something that 2299 01:18:46,166 --> 01:18:47,875 I've done for a great many years. 2300 01:18:48,625 --> 01:18:50,583 I monitor heart rate. 2301 01:18:51,208 --> 01:18:53,083 So in the morning, I just I learned to 2302 01:18:53,083 --> 01:18:54,958 take pulse two places. 2303 01:18:56,500 --> 01:18:59,000 So basically, wrist or 2304 01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:00,000 at the side of the head. 2305 01:19:00,333 --> 01:19:02,375 And I'm taking pulse 2306 01:19:02,375 --> 01:19:02,875 first thing in the morning. 2307 01:19:02,916 --> 01:19:05,416 So I need to know what my resting pulses 2308 01:19:05,416 --> 01:19:08,166 first thing in the morning, that's going 2309 01:19:08,166 --> 01:19:11,250 to tell me where I am stress wise. 2310 01:19:12,625 --> 01:19:13,500 And in the 2311 01:19:19,500 --> 01:19:20,708 morning, I'm like, Oh, yeah, the cold therapy. 2312 01:19:22,541 --> 01:19:24,708 And the cold plunges are just like not 2313 01:19:24,708 --> 01:19:25,833 not more than a minute. 2314 01:19:26,708 --> 01:19:28,708 So the cold plunges, if you've trained 2315 01:19:28,708 --> 01:19:31,041 hard and you cold plunge, then that 2316 01:19:31,041 --> 01:19:33,000 really does that really does work because 2317 01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:34,666 you stimulate the fat burning obviously, 2318 01:19:34,666 --> 01:19:35,916 and your body doesn't 2319 01:19:35,916 --> 01:19:37,458 need a lot to stimulate that. 2320 01:19:39,500 --> 01:19:41,875 And you're also stimulating the the it's 2321 01:19:41,875 --> 01:19:44,500 the anti inflammatory effect of it. 2322 01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:46,291 That's really good. 2323 01:19:46,958 --> 01:19:49,916 And I do every morning, as I said, I have 2324 01:19:49,916 --> 01:19:51,583 the cold shower every morning. 2325 01:19:51,875 --> 01:19:53,333 And it's a great setup. 2326 01:19:53,541 --> 01:19:54,250 The first thing in the 2327 01:19:54,250 --> 01:19:56,958 morning, the infrared, yeah, 2328 01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:58,666 infrared saunas. 2329 01:20:02,041 --> 01:20:04,375 I do take I do take a sunbed. 2330 01:20:04,791 --> 01:20:06,333 I don't do a lot of sunbed because I 2331 01:20:06,333 --> 01:20:07,625 don't get a lot of time to get on it. 2332 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:08,625 And I don't get a lot of 2333 01:20:08,625 --> 01:20:10,208 time in the sun anymore. 2334 01:20:11,708 --> 01:20:12,666 Yeah, 2335 01:20:13,875 --> 01:20:15,666 but I do I do get on a sunbed. 2336 01:20:16,875 --> 01:20:18,458 And I do have a, you know, a certain amount nine to 12 minutes on a sunbed. 2337 01:20:18,500 --> 01:20:24,041 But the infrared saunas are really great 2338 01:20:24,041 --> 01:20:24,958 because there isn't always 2339 01:20:24,958 --> 01:20:26,291 you can't always get out. 2340 01:20:26,666 --> 01:20:28,416 I mean, if it's clouded over, you're not 2341 01:20:28,416 --> 01:20:29,083 really getting the 2342 01:20:29,083 --> 01:20:30,041 infrared in the morning. 2343 01:20:30,041 --> 01:20:31,791 But if it's not, that's a good thing to 2344 01:20:31,791 --> 01:20:33,416 get out whenever I can. 2345 01:20:33,791 --> 01:20:34,875 I'll get out. 2346 01:20:34,875 --> 01:20:36,208 We've got a little bit of garden space 2347 01:20:36,208 --> 01:20:38,208 and I'll get out and barefoot. 2348 01:20:38,708 --> 01:20:41,791 And I have a I have an organic coffee. 2349 01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,625 After first thing I do when I go up in 2350 01:20:44,625 --> 01:20:45,875 the morning is I have 2351 01:20:45,875 --> 01:20:47,458 about 350 to 500 mill of water. 2352 01:20:47,458 --> 01:20:51,625 And I have a lot of water. filter and inline filter. 2353 01:20:52,125 --> 01:20:53,333 So it's basically filtering 2354 01:20:53,333 --> 01:20:57,375 98.9% of the nasty is out of it. 2355 01:20:57,833 --> 01:20:59,500 It's the micro plastics and the heavy 2356 01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:00,916 metals, and the 2357 01:21:00,916 --> 01:21:02,291 chlorine and the fluoride. 2358 01:21:02,916 --> 01:21:05,041 It doesn't filter all the fluoride out it 2359 01:21:05,041 --> 01:21:05,458 there's still about one and a half percent 2% of fluoride that gets through. 2360 01:21:05,458 --> 01:21:07,750 But most of it's out. And I think it's, it's important to be mindful. About the if I say the environmental toxins, so these are things that can come in without you actually realizing it. 2361 01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:09,333 This has been an area that I've worked 2362 01:21:09,333 --> 01:21:13,250 in, in a major way for the last, I don't know, handful of years, maybe four or five years. 2363 01:21:13,250 --> 01:21:16,208 I have been in the environment for a long time. And I think it's important to be mindful 2364 01:21:16,208 --> 01:21:22,000 about the environmental toxins. 2365 01:21:34,833 --> 01:21:36,666 And it's just been a 2366 01:21:36,666 --> 01:21:37,750 lifestyle modification. 2367 01:21:38,666 --> 01:21:40,875 So if you're going to improve things, a 2368 01:21:40,875 --> 01:21:42,708 lot of people just say like, right, okay, 2369 01:21:43,250 --> 01:21:45,458 I'm going to use the peptides and I'm going to supplement and I'm like, Well, hang on a minute start at the base, don't you? 2370 01:21:45,458 --> 01:21:46,791 You got to start picking the lowest hanging function. And then you have the second thing. And you've got to start picking the lowest hanging function. I'm gonna supplement 2371 01:21:46,791 --> 01:21:48,458 and I'm like well I'm 2372 01:21:48,458 --> 01:21:50,791 gonna start at the base don't you you got 2373 01:21:50,791 --> 01:21:52,666 to start picking the lowest hanging fruit 2374 01:21:52,666 --> 01:21:56,041 getting all of that Sort of it's like I 2375 01:21:56,041 --> 01:21:59,041 think before when I was speaking to you I 2376 01:21:59,041 --> 01:22:01,791 said like you wouldn't carry water in a 2377 01:22:01,791 --> 01:22:02,583 bucket full of holes 2378 01:22:02,583 --> 01:22:03,458 first thing you do is 2379 01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:09,625 You're going to need To remove everything 2380 01:22:09,625 --> 01:22:11,291 that's causing a problem to start with 2381 01:22:11,291 --> 01:22:12,916 and you're just going to go through a 2382 01:22:12,916 --> 01:22:14,625 tick box I mean you're just gonna look at 2383 01:22:14,625 --> 01:22:15,916 them and this is where I can't sit the 2384 01:22:15,916 --> 01:22:17,541 people You're gonna take 2385 01:22:17,541 --> 01:22:18,541 the caffeine out altogether. 2386 01:22:18,541 --> 01:22:20,541 No, you haven't Do 2387 01:22:20,541 --> 01:22:21,958 what when I were younger? 2388 01:22:23,916 --> 01:22:26,958 When when I was younger we used to use a 2389 01:22:26,958 --> 01:22:28,750 lot of what they call trimethyl xanthine 2390 01:22:28,791 --> 01:22:31,083 Which is pharmaceutical caffeine and I 2391 01:22:31,083 --> 01:22:34,708 don't if you've tried it Rob, but I found 2392 01:22:34,708 --> 01:22:37,625 it to be not pretty my drug history Yeah, 2393 01:22:37,625 --> 01:22:39,416 I found it to be pretty good. 2394 01:22:39,416 --> 01:22:42,000 It was quite a smooth animal And you 2395 01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,791 know, you've got quite a good lift from 2396 01:22:43,791 --> 01:22:46,375 that But you know, 2397 01:22:46,375 --> 01:22:47,458 we're not going to that. 2398 01:22:47,458 --> 01:22:50,291 I'm going into the The holistic side of 2399 01:22:50,291 --> 01:22:52,166 things more now, so I'm looking at coffee 2400 01:22:52,166 --> 01:22:55,458 and I'm looking at organic coffees 2401 01:22:55,458 --> 01:22:57,708 because they don't they don't contain the 2402 01:22:58,083 --> 01:23:00,458 Toxins and the aflatoxins and things like 2403 01:23:00,458 --> 01:23:04,958 that which are gonna be I Mean really bad 2404 01:23:04,958 --> 01:23:06,916 for your home only and 2405 01:23:06,916 --> 01:23:07,750 a lot of other things 2406 01:23:09,083 --> 01:23:10,416 Kidneys or your detail. 2407 01:23:10,416 --> 01:23:12,875 Yeah everything, you know, I mean so, you 2408 01:23:12,875 --> 01:23:14,125 know, we're at the moment we're looking 2409 01:23:14,125 --> 01:23:17,333 at When you start to look at oxalates and 2410 01:23:17,333 --> 01:23:19,291 and lectins and things like that in foods 2411 01:23:19,291 --> 01:23:21,083 in your diet I think you'll just be 2412 01:23:21,083 --> 01:23:23,000 basically going well I can't eat a lot of 2413 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,125 them things that are actually considered 2414 01:23:25,125 --> 01:23:28,250 to be, you know Nutritionally valuable to 2415 01:23:28,250 --> 01:23:29,250 me, but you've just got 2416 01:23:29,250 --> 01:23:31,000 to cut out the high levels. 2417 01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,500 That's all you can still have them You 2418 01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:36,083 can still have them no problem But you 2419 01:23:36,083 --> 01:23:38,333 just got to remove the high levels So the 2420 01:23:38,333 --> 01:23:39,708 things where you know, I mean it's like 2421 01:23:39,708 --> 01:23:42,750 that's that that's high in oxalates So 2422 01:23:42,750 --> 01:23:46,000 basically I will not have them things 2423 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,333 that sign up so I'll just have them 2424 01:23:47,333 --> 01:23:48,916 things that's low in oxalates because 2425 01:23:48,916 --> 01:23:50,458 obviously they're very nutritious and 2426 01:23:50,458 --> 01:23:53,291 other things as well So it's 2427 01:23:53,291 --> 01:23:54,083 definitely how you 2428 01:23:54,083 --> 01:23:55,333 prepare these foods as well. 2429 01:23:55,333 --> 01:23:57,250 And I mean just to touch the nutrition 2430 01:23:57,250 --> 01:23:58,708 piece I mean, I think 2431 01:23:58,708 --> 01:24:00,541 what a general with them. 2432 01:24:00,541 --> 01:24:03,625 I think people hear about Every food is 2433 01:24:03,625 --> 01:24:04,708 going to kill them whether it's an 2434 01:24:04,708 --> 01:24:07,666 oxalate whether it's a lectin with this 2435 01:24:08,250 --> 01:24:11,291 Medicaid whatever and I think what you've 2436 01:24:11,291 --> 01:24:14,875 got to do is identify with What the 2437 01:24:14,875 --> 01:24:16,458 highest burden on your body is if you 2438 01:24:16,458 --> 01:24:18,416 have a high level of oxalic acid in your 2439 01:24:18,416 --> 01:24:20,875 body Potentially remove oxalates and see 2440 01:24:20,875 --> 01:24:24,166 what happens And then don't get sort of 2441 01:24:24,708 --> 01:24:27,583 Sort of bogged down by it all Nick 2442 01:24:28,708 --> 01:24:30,708 You've honestly been fantastic and this 2443 01:24:30,708 --> 01:24:32,750 has been an amazing conversation What I'd 2444 01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:34,500 love to do is just end off with a few 2445 01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:35,500 rapid fire questions. 2446 01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:37,041 That's okay I mean, they're never that 2447 01:24:37,041 --> 01:24:38,666 rapid that they make 2448 01:24:38,666 --> 01:24:39,666 they make for great clips. 2449 01:24:39,666 --> 01:24:42,291 Let's be honest So, um, if you would just 2450 01:24:42,291 --> 01:24:43,208 mind running through a few 2451 01:24:43,208 --> 01:24:44,125 of those would that be okay? 2452 01:24:45,250 --> 01:24:45,875 Yeah, sure. 2453 01:24:45,875 --> 01:24:46,083 Sure. 2454 01:24:46,083 --> 01:24:46,500 Whatever. 2455 01:24:46,500 --> 01:24:46,708 Yeah. 2456 01:24:46,708 --> 01:24:47,500 Okay. 2457 01:24:47,500 --> 01:24:47,833 Brilliant. 2458 01:24:47,833 --> 01:24:48,500 Thank you so much. 2459 01:24:48,500 --> 01:24:49,333 Okay, so cool. 2460 01:24:49,333 --> 01:24:51,750 I'm just starting off What's your one 2461 01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:53,416 non-negotiable daily habit? 2462 01:24:54,375 --> 01:24:56,916 My one non-negotiable daily habit is the 2463 01:24:56,916 --> 01:25:00,458 morning and it's basically Enter my rest 2464 01:25:00,458 --> 01:25:05,166 and then I work from my rest so I am 2465 01:25:05,166 --> 01:25:08,625 absolutely no good whatsoever if I don't 2466 01:25:08,625 --> 01:25:10,500 get that is a Non-negotiable, so that's 2467 01:25:10,500 --> 01:25:11,541 the one thing that I do. 2468 01:25:11,541 --> 01:25:13,541 I enter my rest and I have a few 2469 01:25:13,541 --> 01:25:15,833 different things that I do as I do that 2470 01:25:15,833 --> 01:25:17,583 But that is the place of focus. 2471 01:25:17,583 --> 01:25:18,500 That's power. 2472 01:25:18,500 --> 01:25:20,958 That is real power real focus being able 2473 01:25:20,958 --> 01:25:22,041 to make a real difference 2474 01:25:22,791 --> 01:25:23,250 perfect 2475 01:25:24,375 --> 01:25:26,750 One adapt your favorite adaptogen for 2476 01:25:26,750 --> 01:25:27,666 stress that maybe we 2477 01:25:27,666 --> 01:25:29,416 haven't talked about just yet 2478 01:25:30,250 --> 01:25:32,541 Favorite option that's a non-negotiable. 2479 01:25:32,541 --> 01:25:34,083 I don't know. 2480 01:25:34,083 --> 01:25:35,833 I gotta say ashwagandha because it's like 2481 01:25:35,833 --> 01:25:39,041 the thing that Killem me use a lot a lot 2482 01:25:39,041 --> 01:25:40,875 of that and it's the one thing that I 2483 01:25:40,875 --> 01:25:43,250 think I can tell the difference When I'm 2484 01:25:43,250 --> 01:25:45,500 using it and when I'm not using it, so 2485 01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:47,000 it's not like is it working. 2486 01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:47,708 Is it not working? 2487 01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:50,791 Yeah, it is you feel it hits. 2488 01:25:50,791 --> 01:25:51,291 Okay. 2489 01:25:51,583 --> 01:25:51,791 Perfect. 2490 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,625 Yeah your favorite book or one book you 2491 01:25:54,625 --> 01:25:56,458 would recommend for people who are high 2492 01:25:56,458 --> 01:25:58,041 achievers Who are trying to maybe sort of 2493 01:25:58,041 --> 01:25:59,666 get out of this burnt-out state? 2494 01:26:00,166 --> 01:26:04,208 Um Favorite book I'll tell you but is an 2495 01:26:04,208 --> 01:26:06,750 interesting book So that you don't have 2496 01:26:06,750 --> 01:26:08,666 to listen to people tell you these facts 2497 01:26:08,666 --> 01:26:11,875 second and a very interesting book and 2498 01:26:11,875 --> 01:26:14,041 it's a really easy read Matthew Walker 2499 01:26:14,041 --> 01:26:18,000 why we sleep and There's a there's a lot 2500 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,500 of information, you know people when when 2501 01:26:20,500 --> 01:26:22,166 you used to hear and now what don't get 2502 01:26:22,166 --> 01:26:23,666 me wrong Arnold Arnold Schwarzenegger is 2503 01:26:23,666 --> 01:26:25,208 a really great guy But when you used to 2504 01:26:25,208 --> 01:26:28,000 say things like, you know You want five 2505 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,875 to six hours sleep every night and if you 2506 01:26:29,875 --> 01:26:31,583 want more sleep and sleep faster and I 2507 01:26:31,583 --> 01:26:32,583 used to think no 2508 01:26:32,583 --> 01:26:33,541 That's not entirely right. 2509 01:26:33,541 --> 01:26:36,375 You need 79 hours Right every night. 2510 01:26:36,375 --> 01:26:38,208 Some people need slightly less some 2511 01:26:38,208 --> 01:26:40,416 people need slightly more But you've got 2512 01:26:40,416 --> 01:26:41,833 to complete that process 2513 01:26:41,833 --> 01:26:43,416 with your circadian rhythm. 2514 01:26:43,416 --> 01:26:47,416 You basically got to You got to finish it 2515 01:26:47,416 --> 01:26:48,833 off So you got to get rid of the amyloid 2516 01:26:48,833 --> 01:26:50,000 plaques and things like that and 2517 01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,041 everything and you've got to have the 2518 01:26:51,041 --> 01:26:53,125 full conversion so you're gonna need 2519 01:26:53,125 --> 01:26:57,250 between 79 hours and Matthew Walker goes 2520 01:26:57,250 --> 01:27:00,541 into a lot of facts really simple really 2521 01:27:00,541 --> 01:27:03,125 easy He's a great guy and he's telling 2522 01:27:03,125 --> 01:27:05,375 you lots of different things The reasons 2523 01:27:05,375 --> 01:27:07,666 why you will need that cortisol level 2524 01:27:07,666 --> 01:27:09,125 different things like that if you if 2525 01:27:09,125 --> 01:27:12,750 you're a gymgoer You you can be losing at 2526 01:27:12,750 --> 01:27:14,166 least a third of your gains 2527 01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:17,166 Definitely if your sleep's impaired 2528 01:27:17,166 --> 01:27:18,416 you're going to there's going to be a lot 2529 01:27:18,416 --> 01:27:19,750 of catabolism or muscle 2530 01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:22,500 breakdown that occurs Absolutely. 2531 01:27:22,875 --> 01:27:24,625 Due to increased levels and everything we 2532 01:27:24,625 --> 01:27:28,250 discussed earlier Okay, last one really 2533 01:27:29,625 --> 01:27:33,000 Let's go with sort of your top two bread 2534 01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,250 flags that you wish high achievers would 2535 01:27:35,250 --> 01:27:36,291 recognize more often 2536 01:27:36,291 --> 01:27:38,416 when sort of facing burnout 2537 01:27:38,875 --> 01:27:41,500 top two red flags That I 2538 01:27:41,500 --> 01:27:42,166 wish they would recognize 2539 01:27:43,666 --> 01:27:46,333 You know when people Here's the best one 2540 01:27:46,333 --> 01:27:49,000 right so everybody used to say it's not 2541 01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:49,791 where you start It's where 2542 01:27:49,791 --> 01:27:51,708 you finish and that is wrong. 2543 01:27:51,708 --> 01:27:53,750 It is entirely where you start You'll 2544 01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:55,833 never even finish the race if you don't 2545 01:27:55,833 --> 01:27:58,250 start in the right place So you need to 2546 01:27:58,250 --> 01:27:59,416 be in the right place So there's 2547 01:27:59,416 --> 01:28:01,041 non-negotiables if you really want to go 2548 01:28:01,041 --> 01:28:03,166 all the way and you want to finish then 2549 01:28:03,166 --> 01:28:04,666 there's non-negotiables And it's entirely 2550 01:28:04,666 --> 01:28:06,041 where you start so get 2551 01:28:06,041 --> 01:28:07,583 these routines right to start. 2552 01:28:07,583 --> 01:28:09,583 We are guaranteed That's a winning 2553 01:28:09,583 --> 01:28:12,000 formula and that is the one thing that I 2554 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,708 would say get that right And you're not 2555 01:28:14,708 --> 01:28:16,875 gonna you are gonna have problems down 2556 01:28:16,875 --> 01:28:19,000 the line But you're not gonna hit massive 2557 01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,541 roadblocks that's gonna stop you dead and 2558 01:28:21,541 --> 01:28:24,375 some people Couple of friends of mine 2559 01:28:24,375 --> 01:28:26,916 died early and they just thought that 2560 01:28:26,916 --> 01:28:27,625 they were invincible. 2561 01:28:27,625 --> 01:28:31,500 It'll never happen to me And I went to 2562 01:28:31,500 --> 01:28:32,291 school with them and that 2563 01:28:32,291 --> 01:28:33,458 they'd only be 60 years old 2564 01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:37,166 And they're not with us now, you know, 2565 01:28:37,166 --> 01:28:39,416 and it's really sad and the point is is 2566 01:28:39,416 --> 01:28:41,458 they didn't listen to things You know 2567 01:28:41,458 --> 01:28:43,250 that were happening in the body and they 2568 01:28:43,250 --> 01:28:44,166 didn't listen to these 2569 01:28:44,583 --> 01:28:45,708 overwhelming stresses 2570 01:28:47,166 --> 01:28:49,291 So and it led to some bad things down the 2571 01:28:49,291 --> 01:28:51,041 way and and that's you know, that's the 2572 01:28:51,041 --> 01:28:53,000 big thing So where you start is 2573 01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,041 everything that's you know, that's the 2574 01:28:55,041 --> 01:28:55,583 big thing that I 2575 01:28:55,583 --> 01:28:57,875 would say and a number two 2576 01:28:59,375 --> 01:29:01,208 This is my this is coming from my 2577 01:29:01,208 --> 01:29:03,166 personal experience doesn't matter how 2578 01:29:03,166 --> 01:29:04,291 much you love what you're doing 2579 01:29:05,833 --> 01:29:09,291 It can still it can still lead to that 2580 01:29:09,291 --> 01:29:12,000 same burnout place if you don't monitor 2581 01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,791 what you're doing Because you've just got 2582 01:29:13,791 --> 01:29:17,000 to monitor it I used to work in 2583 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,833 engineering a long long time ago and I 2584 01:29:20,833 --> 01:29:24,500 used to work For a company and we used to 2585 01:29:24,500 --> 01:29:29,875 sort of build bespoke vehicles And I 2586 01:29:29,875 --> 01:29:32,500 engineered a vehicle put it together a 2587 01:29:32,500 --> 01:29:35,625 race car You seriously, this is where I 2588 01:29:35,625 --> 01:29:39,375 learned all the I don't know physics came 2589 01:29:39,375 --> 01:29:40,833 in You know, I mean we're working out 2590 01:29:40,833 --> 01:29:43,208 compression ratios and things like that 2591 01:29:43,208 --> 01:29:46,916 and clearances And so I used to I loved 2592 01:29:46,916 --> 01:29:50,000 my job that much I would go into work and 2593 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,500 I would fall asleep Inside 2594 01:29:52,500 --> 01:29:54,333 the vehicle so I'm building it. 2595 01:29:54,333 --> 01:29:56,291 There's a shell There's nothing in it and 2596 01:29:56,291 --> 01:29:57,625 I'm just putting the engine and gearbox 2597 01:29:57,625 --> 01:29:59,458 in and I remember waking up and banging 2598 01:29:59,458 --> 01:30:02,208 me head And I like knit saw stars and I'm 2599 01:30:02,208 --> 01:30:03,000 like what have I done? 2600 01:30:03,458 --> 01:30:05,250 Where am I and it's all peach black and 2601 01:30:05,250 --> 01:30:07,041 I'm underneath the car, right? 2602 01:30:07,458 --> 01:30:09,541 And the and the thing is is I've lowered 2603 01:30:09,541 --> 01:30:11,583 the ramp down so I can work on me back 2604 01:30:11,583 --> 01:30:13,500 and I've fallen asleep under the vehicle 2605 01:30:13,500 --> 01:30:15,458 and that were me and I used to work and 2606 01:30:15,458 --> 01:30:17,458 and that people didn't used to see me 2607 01:30:17,458 --> 01:30:19,416 because it's like I'm you being home now. 2608 01:30:19,416 --> 01:30:20,750 I'm still at work and there's like get 2609 01:30:20,750 --> 01:30:22,708 yourself home You're gonna be no good to 2610 01:30:22,708 --> 01:30:24,666 us or anybody else and you 2611 01:30:24,666 --> 01:30:25,833 know summer though, right? 2612 01:30:25,833 --> 01:30:29,041 I wasn't But I love the work so much. 2613 01:30:29,041 --> 01:30:30,625 Yeah, it's a hard lesson to learn 2614 01:30:30,625 --> 01:30:32,000 especially if you are driven but 2615 01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:33,166 ultimately it's it's 2616 01:30:33,166 --> 01:30:34,458 one that I think most 2617 01:30:35,708 --> 01:30:38,458 Entrepreneurs high tubers CEOs, etc. 2618 01:30:38,458 --> 01:30:42,458 Ultimately do learn normally at the At 2619 01:30:42,458 --> 01:30:44,541 the yeah normally at their their own 2620 01:30:44,541 --> 01:30:47,666 detriment Yeah, Nick like I've said 2621 01:30:47,666 --> 01:30:48,541 you've been awesome. 2622 01:30:48,541 --> 01:30:49,875 Where can people find you sure they want 2623 01:30:49,875 --> 01:30:51,000 to reach out and work with you? 2624 01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:53,958 And you can find me on Instagram and 2625 01:30:53,958 --> 01:30:55,125 there's what there's I've got a lot you 2626 01:30:55,125 --> 01:30:56,125 can find me on LinkedIn 2627 01:30:58,166 --> 01:31:01,416 My bio on LinkedIn and You can also find 2628 01:31:01,416 --> 01:31:03,750 me on Instagram and Instagram has got 2629 01:31:03,750 --> 01:31:05,916 access to the youtubes that I've done 2630 01:31:05,916 --> 01:31:07,583 even though I am done that I've got a lot 2631 01:31:07,583 --> 01:31:10,500 of youtubes ready to go and to upload But 2632 01:31:10,500 --> 01:31:13,416 I I've just been busy doing other things 2633 01:31:13,416 --> 01:31:15,458 I just didn't you know if I was for me to 2634 01:31:15,458 --> 01:31:17,916 do it But you can you can find me on them 2635 01:31:17,916 --> 01:31:19,666 things and there's a lot of information a 2636 01:31:19,666 --> 01:31:20,375 lot of good free 2637 01:31:20,375 --> 01:31:23,375 information On the Instagram perfect. 2638 01:31:23,375 --> 01:31:25,083 Well point to people there Nick. 2639 01:31:25,333 --> 01:31:26,750 Thank you so much your time. 2640 01:31:26,750 --> 01:31:28,500 This has been a great conversation I look 2641 01:31:28,500 --> 01:31:29,666 forward to another one in the future 2642 01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:30,958 Yeah, brilliant Rob. 2643 01:31:31,166 --> 01:31:32,041 Thank you very much. 2644 01:31:32,041 --> 01:31:32,791 Thanks for having me