Hey, um, Brad, why do

you know so much stuff?

Why do I know

so much stuff?

every time I've got

a question about

something, you're like

the Oracle or Yoda.

Like, I'm like, hey,

how do I deflate a

soccer ball using a pin?

Boom, Brad comes

back with the answer.

I've just always liked

messing around with things.

And then I tell you what

especially since like

I've, built my Instagram

or whatever if people ask

me a question and I can't

answer it, I lose sleep

until I know the answer.

So even things that

don't relate to me,

I'm like, fuck, there

has to be an answer.

like Beth the other

day in one of our chats

was like, oh, hey, is

this a normal price for

screeding over the top

of a hydronic floor?

And I was like, hang

on, I've got a mate

who does flooring.

I probably spent an hour on

the phone to him and we're

like going, he's asking

me all these questions

over the ins and outs

of like putting a screed

over hydronic floor,

which, Doesn't matter

as shit to me because I

don't have a job with it.

But, now I know all

about it, so, magic.

you find that you

retain that kind of

information too, though?

I mean, I I know a little

about a lot of things and I

reckon high level, I could

probably, have a high level

cursory answer for a lot

of things, but do you find

when you go on your little

deep dives like that, the

information's retained?

Yeah, I'm very good at

retaining information.

Especially if it's

something that like

really, lights a fire

in me or whatever.

Like EMFs.

yeah, like AMS, yeah.

I actually couldn't

tell you much about EMFs

because that's one of

those things where I

was like, oh, not going

down that rabbit hole.

I'm gonna say I don't

know enough about it to

form a well rounded

and developed opinion.

same and I would

like to keep it that

way for the interim.

But it was interesting,

as you know, I just

came back from the U S I

went over there for the

build show live actually

went with Kyle Zanetto

from Zanetto Builders

sitting in the

sessions and, you

know, like the keynote.

speeches and stuff

like that, like Kyle's

there, you know, like

scribbling notes and I'm

just like sitting there

like taking it in and

he's like, Oh, you're not

going to take any notes.

I was like, nah, it just

like sticks in my head.

And actually in one

of the speeches that

were, they were talking

about radon gas.

it gets, uh, emitted

into the house, I guess,

from like the Earth's

core breaking down.

And in some parts of the U.

S.

it's a lot worse

than others.

And it was just a thing.

I was like, oh, radon,

and it just, yeah,

locked in my head.

And then a couple of

days later I caught up

with Jake Bruton and I

was like, hey, what's

the go with the radon?

Like, it's never

really heard about it.

And he explained it to me.

Yeah, anything that,

triggers something I,

tend to not, Forget

it, which is handy.

So radon gas

isn't a problem in

Australia though.

have you tested for it?

No, but brief knowledge

that I've done on, of

study I've done on this,

is it's more of a North

American thing, isn't it?

Like, I think they've

done little bits of

studies here, and it's

not like as a problem

as it is overseas.

Is that because the makeup

of our, the Earth's crust

here is different and

therefore not an issue?

Or is it just out of sight,

out of mind type of thing?

actually

have no

idea.

a massive disclaimer for

anyone coming on here to

learn about radon gas.

Please don't come away

thinking that we've just

given you the answer.

But I have heard another

interesting fact about

radon gas that it's

becoming more of an

issue now because

we're building bigger

footprints on our houses.

So we're more connected

to the earth with

these bigger slabs

and bigger footprints.

So more radon gas is

able to get emitted

into our homes.

I don't know where I

heard that from, Brad.

I'll throw that back to

our radon gas expert.

Is that a thing?

that makes, , that

makes sense.

So, Australia's geology

generally has a lower

uranium levels in the soil,

which is where originates.

And Australian homes

typically have fewer

basements and better

ventilation homes than say

North America or Europe,

which means radon gas is

less likely to accumulate.

So you're kind of right

Haym about the footprint.

there you go.

I've learned something

today, even though I didn't

know we were coming on here

to talk about radon gas.

that's funny.

Hey, Brad, I'm just going

to jump into some things

that we've been talking

about in our group chat

about how long it's

taking to get projects

to site and, potentially

putting all our eggs in

one basket and then kind

of waiting for, you know,

projects to kick off.

I know you're in a bit of a

predicament or waiting for

a project to kick off now.

Can you maybe have a little

bit of chat about your

experience and maybe some

things that you've learned.

over your, over the last

six to eight months and,

how you feel about it,

you know, how you've

kind of been managing

it and, you know, what

you've learned from it and

hopefully, better prepare

yourself for situations

like this in the future.

Yeah, so I've got a project

we are waiting on starting

and have been waiting

for around eight months.

Project came to me

fully documented with

a planning permit

that expired in June.

We're now having

this conversation.

On the 3rd of December

so the planning permit

was extended and we've

basically been chilling,

waiting for mostly

the council to their

various things out so

we can get underway.

Obviously, no one at the

council seems to know

their ass from their elbow.

I won't mention

the council,

but, um.

I had a few dramas

with the same council

at the conclusion

of the last project.

If there was a harder way

to do something, I feel

they would investigate

it and implement it.

yeah.

I just like, honestly,

it just seems like no

one has a designated job

description and nothing's

anyone's responsibility,

And there's nothing to hold

them accountable, which

is really frustrating.

it certainly

seems that way.

Anyway, project

landed on my table.

Thanks, Matt.

both the clients

absolute legends.

I actually get along so

well with the client.

We, take hours to

get anything done.

Cause we just talk

shit the whole time.

it was the sort of project

where I was like, this

ticks every box for me.

It's a awesome,

challenging job.

Amazing block, amazing

client tick, tick,

tick, tick, tick.

So I just was like,

cool, this is it.

they're motivated

to get going.

I was just wrapping

up the previous build.

So I was like, this

is absolutely perfect.

And yeah, so I threw all

my eggs in that basket.

I was saying no to

other things that came

across my desk, being

very transparent with

architects and potential

clients about, what

my schedule look like.

I'm sort of in, not a

unique position, but

a little bit different

from you guys in that I

prefer to sort of do one

flagship project at a

time and then infill with

other nonsense around it.

And then, project's

basically been ready to go

for eight, eight months.

I've exhausted all the

odd jobs, anyone that

follows me on Instagram

would see that I've been

doing some farming and

driving tractors and all

sorts of nonsense, which

is super fun, but doesn't

really pay the bills.

And now I've got to

the point where if

I don't start this

project very, very soon.

Financially, I'm in a bit

of a pickle and also the

planning permit now expires

on the 2nd of January.

you just said you, you

do one job at a time.

And is really interesting

you say that because I

feel that anyone that gets

their license these days

they, oh, we've got to

take on five jobs and we're

going to run four, five,

four, 1 million projects.

but there is another

model and there are other

models that can work.

Why did you decide to

just do the one job,

one model sort of thing?

Cause it doesn't sound as

good if that makes sense.

Like doesn't sound as sexy.

like I really am incredibly

invested in the projects

that I do, and it just

doesn't sit well with

me to spread myself out.

And I've never been able

to build a team that

I've felt comfortable,

passing the reins to.

So I really like the jobs

that are, you know, like

the last one that I did,

was a heap of stuff there

that, sort of a bit left

for field and I guess,

yeah, a couple of the

jobs have that we've been

trying to achieve That we

don't really know whether

it's achievable, you know,

like the last one, we

weren't sure how airtight

we could get a hemp

house if we don't render

the walls internally.

And so I just sort of

take that as a like,

right, I'm going to go

absolutely balls to the

wall and see where we can

get so that then I know

this is what would be

realistically achievable.

And then, everyone else can

do what they like, because

I feel like I've given

it 200 percent and, you

know, there's not really

much better that you can

do after that, you know.

So now I know after the

last one, like if someone

said, hey, I want to

do a certified passive

house with hempcrete

walls unrendered,

I'd be like, not a

What was your blow it

off test at the end?

And you had a huge volume

to deal with as well.

Didn't you?

So if you

were going to condense that

yeah, big volume.

We were somewhere around

a thousand, well, close to

a thousand cube, 900 cube

or something like that.

So, yeah, a lot of volume.

rectangle, shit

loads of volume.

You know, we did have

a big surface area on

the walls because we had

three meter ceilings.

And, they weren't the

most passive house

windows you could get.

But, certainly from

the blower door test,

the windows were,

relatively tight.

So, I don't think a

lot of it was anything

to do with that.

And we certainly couldn't

find any other like,

really evident leaks.

Just death

by a thousand cuts.

yeah, well, it's like

It's not

death but like point eight

is awesome by the way.

yeah, just one big blanket.

ants?

I haven't heard of ants

it wouldn't surprise me.

Like, they don't shut

the door all the time,

so, it wouldn't surprise

me if they ended up with

some ants.

project really well.

and having built a concrete

house and been able to get

it under that, 0.6 mark

and the fact that you've

managed to get it to 0.8.

With no internal render.

And I remember when you

and Nook and Mark and Drew

came to site that day,

we were sitting about 0.

95 when we did our first

Blower Door and we had

internal render on there.

So like the fact that

you've got it to 0.

8 with no internal

render is fucking insane.

That is

point So, like, if

that didn't work

for do it again.

that's me on site, pushing

hard to, achieve things

that people sort of don't

really think is achievable.

Like when I built my

parents house, you know,

lots of people were

like, Oh, you won't

get that airtight with

just external wrap.

And well, 0.

42.

think, you know, doing

stuff like that sort of

opens things up for other

people to be like, Oh,

actually we could do that.

But if you don't have

someone sending it, you

know, you just sort of,

everyone's going to stick

to the tried and true.

So I sort of see my

place in the building

industry here is, come to

me with whatever messed

up idea you've got.

I'll do my best to

figure it out and

um, happy days.

So the question I wanna

ask is you are passionate

but can you teach passion

to other people or is

it just something that

you have within you?

Cannot be taught.

Cannot be taught.

Cannot be paid for.

that way, you know, that's

certainly my experience

anyway and passion doesn't

always stick around,

there's certainly been

things that once upon a

time, I was very passionate

about and now I'm not.

Thankfully, my passion

for building is.

Stuck around for

15 odd years and I

can't see it going

anywhere anytime soon.

So

It is a pretty good

industry though, even

though it's all the shit

and negative stories.

There's so much

opportunity.

circle back to that

comment, Brad, about

passion doesn't stick

around and I actually

wonder if it's, not

a bad idea to kind of

sit with that just for

a second because I've

found that before, you

know, I've been super

passionate about surfing

or snowboarding or mountain

bike riding or this and

that and, kind of wear

that out after a while.

And I'll be interested

to unpack why the passion

for building hasn't.

run out and could

you see a point where

it might run out?

I definitely see a point

where it might run out,

but I think it would really

depend on my circumstances.

without going into too

much detail, I've got a

few plans with the client

for this next build.

You know, moving forwards,

we will hopefully do quite

a few projects together.

And, you know, so far we

really inspire each other.

You know, as you know,

Hayne, when we sort of

first became good friends,

was passionate about,

the industry, but I just

was in the wrong part

of the industry and it

made it very challenging.

So I think that's the

sort of stuff that would

really burn my passion.

And I know employees that

I've had, I've seen their

passion subside, not about,

carpentry or whatever, but

just, you know, they're

not passionate about

the same thing that I'm.

Passionate about, you

know, they enjoy the

trade in the way that

they enjoy the trade.

So I think to maintain

the passion, you really

got to be in that sort of

area that fits with you.

the passion for me would,

disappear if I wasn't able

to be hands on, on site.

reason I asked you that

is because just listening

to your, you talk now

and you know, talking

about you wanting to

take on these really

challenging projects and

projects that ignite you.

I was literally having

this conversation with

Scott yesterday afternoon,

we caught up on the phone

quickly and it's the same

kind of thing, like we,

we take on these projects.

that we know at the

time, we look at them

with rose colored glasses

and a glass half full

and think, you know what,

fuck it, I can do that.

Like when we took on the

hempcrete house, if I

knew all the challenges

that was going to

be facing me on that

project.

Any rational human would

have just been like,

no, I'm not going to do

that.

But you put yourself in

that position because it

ignites something in you

because you're passionate

about stepping outside

of your comfort zone.

And I kind of get

that vibe with you.

You're like, okay,

well, I've done that.

I've got 4 on my parents

house using external

building wrap, and I'm

just going to send it

on this hempcrete house

with the, you know, just

the external render.

And see how good I can get.

And I feel like there's

just going to be this

amazing evolution of all

these projects that you do.

I'm really excited to see

this over the next 10,

15, 20 years of, this is

where you are now with

these couple of amazing

projects, what's Sanford

build code going to deliver

in five, 10, 15 years time.

I think that's pretty

fucking exciting.

with your program

that's coming up

five, years from now?

People and things that

they're doing, that sort

of kicked me along or

inspired me or whatever.

So, you know, I sort of

think, well, if I'm not

going to build 10 houses

a year, you know, in my

career, like realistically,

if I do one a year for

the next 20 years, I'll

build 25 houses, 23 houses.

But if things that

I've done in those 23

houses allow hundreds

of other builders.

Or encourage hundreds of

other builders to do a

better job or, do things

that, might be outside of

their comfort zone, then,

I'm achieving a little

bit more than just doing

my own and not sharing

it with anyone, you know?

Yep.

knowledge and sort

of education there.

How do we compare with

what we build compared

to what they build?

Is our good quality

construction like we're

doing just as good as

what they're doing?

And is our bad just

as bad as their bad?

Yep.

we operate in this

little bubble here.

Hamish mentions it all

the time, you know?

every house I see getting

built on Instagram is

wrapped with a really

good WRB ventilated

cavity, you know, all

that sort of stuff.

And it would make you

think that that's what

everything is and same,

you know, like you see

American construction, you

think, Oh my God, there's

light years ahead of us.

I think now.

The people that are doing

the right thing here

are in the same league

as the people doing the

right thing in the U.

S.

But our markets

are very similar.

It's still, an incredible

niche, you know, like I

sat in a room with, bunch

of passionate builders at

the build show live and,

like Matt rising or in his

keynote speech was asking,

you know, like how many

people are, start your

journey, you want to learn

more and it was like most

of the room, and then, we

took a drive around, you

know, we did a couple of

site tours to a couple of

Matt, like Matt's personal

house and another project

that, that they're doing

you know, but driving

around those areas where

there's construction going,

it's, I was expecting

to see every house zip

sheeting, It's just not it,

you know, like I went to

a college football game in

Athens in Georgia and we

went and tailgated at some

student housing before the

game and there's heaps of

development going on there

and it's just, crappy,

stapled on, cladding

straight over the top.

Their bottom basement

is the exact same as our

bottom basement, you know.

Does that mean there's not

much hope for our industry?

Because they're meant

to be so far ahead.

And if they haven't

improved, how do we hold

hope that we improve?

I think things are a

little different for them

because America is really

hundreds of countries

combined in the way that

you know, their laws

and the way that they're

governed and the way that

their regulations work.

So, Texas, you actually

don't even have to

have a license to

be a builder there.

You literally could roll

up, slap a sticker on the

side of your car that says.

Sanford Build Co and rip

it with no experience, no

nothing, just full send.

But then you go a state

across, or sometimes even

it's just county lines

or whatever, and things

are completely different.

You got to remember that

there's 350 odd million

people in the states.

So, that's insane.

And then.

Talking to some of the

other builders there,

they're like, oh, you

know, well, our market, no

one does high performance

or whatever, but Jake

Bruton builds in a market

where there was no high

performance and he just

made it, and then all of

a sudden there's clients

that are like, oh yeah,

yeah, this is awesome.

Hey, I'm sure Warrandyte

10 years ago, there would

have been hardly any high

performance houses and now

you're there, Mark's there,

Jesse's there, those places

are popping up in the

market and exposing people

to, all these things.

And as more people

get exposed, more

people go, Oh, well,

that's what I want.

Like I built my parents

house and their friends

were all like, Brad's

one and done here.

He's never going to build

another house like this

because no one wants this.

And now that they've

experienced my

parents house, they're

like, we want this,

funny you say that

about like creating

a market or even just

there's more education

in the market now.

I was at a 40th a few

weeks back and, um, having

a chat with some friends

of mine I've known for a

very long time she turned

around and said, you know

what, I'd really love

a Sanctum Homes house.

And I'm like, well, what

do you mean you want

a Sanctum Homes house?

She goes, oh, you

know, passive design and

all that kind of stuff.

And just the fact that

these words, albeit

not quite hitting

the technical names

of it, they were

alluding to the fact that

they wanted an energy

efficient home that's

comfortable and healthy.

And I'm like, these

words coming out of these

people's mouths actually

blew me away, because

they would be the furthest

from what I thought

my, avatar client would

be.

And now this is kind

of creeping into just

normal chatter amongst

people, just more broadly

in the community that,

that this is what they

actually want to build.

So I get inspired by that.

You know, I

know Matt can sometimes

be a bit click baity and

say that our industry is

doomed to fail, but I like

to think that you know,

we are starting to see

change and even if our

codes are very slow to

move, I think the market's

going to move quicker.

And the market's going

to want it, in

So the reason I do click

baby stuff is because

that's how unfortunately

our society is these days.

You've got to have

that negative hook

to bring them in.

and it's a really good

topic because they

want a comfortable,

energy efficient house.

And whilst we build

passive houses a lot

of the time and high

performance houses, are

these the wrong words?

Are they too confusing?

Should we just be

talking about comfortable

and durable houses?

Energy efficiency is

just the byproduct.

Maybe, I think we've got

this whole message wrong.

yeah, but you've got to

have some sort of message.

There's so many terms

in the construction

game that are just.

Thrown around willy

nilly oh, sustainable.

I have a theory for you.

You have to use the word

sustainable to explain

what you're doing.

Most likely isn't

sustainable.

yeah, it's just hard that,

that word's really been

dragged down by a lot of

people, not you, Hamish,

you use it very well

, it's like all of us with

high performance, you know.

We're not just slapping

an expensive building

wrap on and going high

performance, like.

We're testing out projects,

you know, we're modeling

our projects, we're doing

all that sort of stuff,

but what do we call it?

I actually hear what

you're saying, Matt.

I genuinely do.

But I think there needs

to be a differentiator.

There needs to be some kind

of description that kind

of separate code built to

a mindful home,

let's create it.

trademark,

trademark, copyright.

How

Yeah.

sustainability's

like a puzzle though.

And the thing is like,

whilst what I refer to

building a passive house

isn't sustainable, it's

not entirely sustainable.

Like sometimes

material choices we

have to use aren't

the most sustainable.

so many factors that

we need to understand

with sustainability.

Like, I built three

of my passive houses,

we knocked down homes.

Actually, two of them,

they up cycled the house

and relocated them.

So, yeah, you could

probably say that's

extremely sustainable.

But one of them, we

completely knocked

something down.

So, no matter what we can

do, nothing's going to

be entirely sustainable.

when you're talking about

knocking the house down or

whatever, there's so many

buildings in Australia or

around the world that are

not fit for purpose, you

know, so you're either

going to invest an insane

amount of money and time

and labor a turd Or you do

your best to pick it apart,

recycle what you can,

salvage, what materials

you can, and you're going

to put something else in

its place that's hopefully

going to have a far

greater life expectancy

than, what was there

before, you know, and,

one of the really

interesting things from

being in America is

they're now starting to

detail their windows.

so that the windows can be

easily replaced in 30, 40

years time, knowing full

well that windows have a

shorter life expectancy

than a lot of the other

fabric in the build,

things like that where we

can sort of keep pushing

and it's like, all right,

maybe not everything's

super sustainable or

whatever, but hey, here's

things we can do that

we can implement through

the build that mean in

20, 30, 40 years time, if

someone wants to change

something, it's a very

easy and simple process.

Matt Rising has got a

500 year house and they

built it in a way that you

can do whatever internal

renovations you want

without having to strip

apart any of the fabric.

Of the house.

Like it's,

everything's external.

So whatever you do

internally is easy as,

and when that house sold,

the client's renovated

the kitchen and they were

like, this is the easiest

renovation we've ever done.

They were in and

out in two weeks.

Cause I didn't have

to gut anything.

So

Hey, I want circle back

to what you were saying at

the beginning where you,

um, you like to have one

flagship project and fill

the rest in with nonsense.

How can you have a

book full of nonsense

to carry you through?

If say you've got a

project that's delayed

because you and I had

dozens of conversations

about taking on more than

one project at a time.

And, you know, that might

work for me and Matt, but

it obviously doesn't work

for you because you're

so passionate about the

projects that you do.

And I think that's the

right for you, like

doing one really great

project at a time.

But how do you balance

the ledger if you do have

Gaps in your workflow.

How do you keep that

book of nonsense going

I'm incredibly

good at networking.

I have kept my

overhead really low.

I've done none of

the, typical Oh, hey,

I'm a builder now.

I need to have the

latest and greatest cars.

I need to have a factory.

I need to have this.

I need to have that.

I don't need any of that.

It doesn't interest me

to have any of that.

I'm not trying to

flex or do any of

that sort of stuff.

So it means I don't have

to generate the same

income, you know, as if

I had this big beast and

all this overhead to fill.

So it completely

removes the stress on

that side of things.

I've always, being

real passionate about.

Anything that I do.

So when I say, like a plate

full of nonsense to fill

the gaps, like, every year

I used to do a, a race

car trailer for Porsche

for their Carreras series

we'd refurb an entire

semi trailer for Porsche,

which is super fun.

Like they've got

stupid money.

It's real cool.

I had no work next week

and now I'm going to put

a new interior in a boat

out of a James Bond film.

And yeah, through my

network I've ended

up with, really great

connections and a really

broad skill set that

means I can jump in and,

and sort of do whatever.

And as any business

owner would know, it's

so hard to find people

that are passionate and

good at what they do when

you're a decent trade.

So many of the skills

are transferable.

You know, so the fact

that I can, go and jump

in and, do joinery, I

can do panel beating, I'm

like pretty handy on an

can jump in do anything

and I don't need to make

crazy money because I

live well within my means.

so not reliant on, stack of

builds on to keep me going.

I really love that Brad

because, you know, there's

so much noise on social

media and, you know, and I

think me and Matt probably

push it a little bit just

with where our businesses

and, uh, you know, we

say it from some of our

other, um, mates on insta

of how many projects we've

got going on and all that

kind of stuff and I just

love listening to the

fact that you just want to

keep it simple and real.

Simple shit works,

doesn't it?

I love the sound of that.

You know, there are

times where my brain is

so fucking busy with all

the stuff that I've got

going on that I just love

to just be tinkering on

my own James Bond boat.

Yeah, you really got

to find the right jobs

that are a good fit.

You know, like the next

one that will hopefully

start sometime in the

next two or three weeks.

so that's another one where

the client's the architect.

There's a lot of

things that he wants

to experiment with.

With.

so, for him, he struggled

to find a builder that

was willing to go, Oh

yeah, we can wing it

and, do all this stuff

and figure things out

on the fly or whatever.

You know, so we're really a

perfect fit for each other.

Like the job's perfect for

me and I'm perfect for it.

I always enjoy chatting

with you, Brad, and,

I think Matt and

I are both pretty excited

about, getting you on

as a regular guest and,

hopefully doing some

YouTube stuff with you

next year but Brad,

it's always cracking a

conversation with you.

I don't know.

We, we actually, none

of it was texting each

other before we jumped

on today saying, what are

we going to talk about?

And me and Matt are just

like, I don't know, we'll

figure something out.

And

we ended up talking

about Radon.

What do you want

to talk about next

time you come on?

We'll let you lead the

first topic next time.

What do you want to

do I want to talk

about next time?

I would really like to talk

about, so back to the build

show live there's a guy

who's very underrated and

not that well known Outside

of, you'd have to be very

nerdy to know who he is.

His name's Peter Ghost.

he calls himself a wingnut

and does a lot of like real

world testing of things.

And it's something that's

always resonated with

me because I always test

things And so it was great

to make that connection

with Peter and like one

of the presentations he

did was actually about,

installing windows in a

way, like very similar to

how they seal a car door.

And making it so that they

could easily be removed

internally and replaced

if need be, but then still

managing water and air.

But yeah, very cool how

he has set up different

real world tests to

understand the parameters

of how things work.

And it's something

that I love to do.

And it's something I think,

like, a lot of people

don't really do and then

probably don't understand

why certain things fail.

Because things are tested

in a lab environment.

And he's like, well,

where are these things

ever replicated on

a building site?

They're not.

You know, so he, does

like the building site

testing or whatever.

And, um, I find that

incredibly interesting

and it's something that

really, uh, gets me going.

So it'd be fun to, it'd

be fun to talk about

that

or the ones that

are being demoed.

Like, we've got one

about to be demoed soon.

It's riddled with mold and

I've got all intentions of

bringing my team through

and stripping it back

prior to and see like,

alright, what went wrong?

Why did it get wrong?

Like, where can we look

at to learn from little

little things that we

might be improving on?

Now, granted, this

is an old house.

There's no ventilation.

Mold everywhere in the

bathrooms and stuff.

So it's very simple, but

just, I think the only

way, the only sometimes

a real way you can

learn is from mistakes

and use other people's

mistakes and history to

teach you, potentially,

uh, the answer.

I've got an idea.

Can we reach out to Peter?

Can we get Peter on?

So if anyone doesn't

know who Peter is,

the podcast is called

the Unbuilder Podcast.

I highly suggest anyone

who loves building, they

will just dive deep into a

very, very specific topic.

For example, there was

one I was listening to

the other day on just how,

on how and if you should

tilt the sill on a window.

And they talk 45 minutes

on one very specific topic.

Incredible podcast to

learn about building.

Incredibly

knowledgeable people.

very forward in

putting their

information out there.

Actually, like one of

the other great things

to see at the build show

was them talking about

how, how important it is.

To, you know, share

your knowledge and Steve

worked for Joe Seabrook.

You know, and all the

guys from Building Science

Corp, they're told it

is incredibly important

that you go out there

and share everything.

You know, it's no

good for you to just

keep it to yourself.

And so they, you know,

very actively across a

lot of platforms now, put

that information out there

and it's kind of awesome.

So

answers are out there

guys, you just got

to look for them.

It's not about going

down a rabbit hole.

It, yeah.

that's, awesome.

So we've got the next three

podcasts with Brad sorted.

So we've got Peter,

then Steve and Jake.

all lined up.

So Brad, we'll leave

that with you to,

uh, to line all

that up.

You just let us

know when we need to

catch up with them.

Thanks, buddy.

Thank you again

Brad.

We can't wait to have

you on as a regular mate.

You're going to be

our third regular.

This is exciting.

Um, peace out guys.

Have a

good Christmas.