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Track 2: Thank you for joining us tonight. Tonight, we're going to be talking about the

Track 2: Back to the Future trilogy all three movies and joining us tonight we have a

Track 2: long time friends of the show caitlin cullen of caitlin's conspiracy corner

Track 2: that is still you're still doing that right that still exists no.

Track 3: But it's not because we.

Track 2: Made the.

Track 3: Decision stop we just are.

Track 2: We just want to we want to hang out we're keeping this in this is all staying

Track 2: in this is still out there all right Yes.

Track 3: You guys, listen, all our fans deserve an explanation.

Track 3: Our thousands of listeners that moved over to this podcast.

Track 2: You heard it here first, okay? Caitlin's Conspiracy Corner is officially on hiatus.

Track 2: There is possibility in the future of them returning to their own show.

Track 2: Also here. They'll be here again in the future as well. But tonight, we're here to talk about,

Track 2: Back to the Future, one of the greatest trilogies of all time.

Track 2: We're going to hit all three movies.

Track 3: Bill's not going to like me very much.

Track 2: Thank you for joining us.

Track 3: This is going to be worse than me bringing up Star Trek last time.

Track 2: Excuse me, Caitlin. We've already done Cornetto Trilogy. I'm well aware of your proclivities.

Track 2: What I am truly afraid of is how the water and sodium reaction of you and Ward.

Track 2: but I'm actually looking forward to that so Ward can really bring the energy.

Track 3: Me and Ward are besties.

Track 2: Gigawatts of energy.

Track 3: Me and Ward are so annoying together that we've done this before right we did

Track 3: back to the future and it was never released unreleasable it was unreleasable no.

Track 2: It was released.

Track 3: Oh was it okay yeah well we were we were scolded a lot on that episode because we were too annoying i.

Track 2: Remember correctly there is

Track 2: a uh an individual who shall not be named on that episode as well that is.

Track 3: Why we're.

Track 2: Doing a redux.

Track 1: Yes so that that's partly why we're doing this we thought hey we should do back

Track 1: the future again but it makes sense just to do the whole trilogy all at because

Track 1: it almost feels wrong to be like, after one movie, you're like,

Track 1: well, now we have to stop.

Track 3: Yeah, we need all three.

Track 2: Was the original release not all three?

Track 1: No, just the first movie.

Track 3: No, just the first one. Okay. I had never seen the third one until this weekend.

Track 2: Really?

Track 3: And she loved it.

Track 2: Really?

Track 3: Huge fan. Before I even pressed play, she was like, I just really hate Western stuff.

Track 3: I was like, well, get ready.

Track 2: We watched it last night. And I mean, my wife and I have seen all these movies multiple times.

Track 2: We've definitely seen the third one the fewest times. and we watched it last

Track 2: night and the entire time my wife's like this just isn't as good she's like

Track 2: the entire she's like this just isn't as good as the movie i don't like this

Track 2: as much this is not a good the entire time i.

Track 3: Was pacing around i felt yeah i was i it was a struggle.

Track 2: For me it came up again tonight earlier tonight like we're just like sitting

Track 2: down after like dinner and she's like it's just really not as good she's like

Track 2: she's like did you know i looked it up on wikipedia people like it better than

Track 2: two what is wrong with people that's.

Track 3: Crazy i have to say i'm one of those people now i do think three is better than two.

Track 2: Okay so get him out of here,

Track 2: no i can't.

Track 1: Because they're on the same channel.

Track 2: That's ridiculous when i was a kid Caitlin, do something about this.

Track 4: Caitlin, kick him out.

Track 3: When I was a kid, two, I thought was by far better than even one.

Track 3: Two was my favorite. Big six-year-old energy.

Track 3: Now I've come to the point where two is just like, I can't get over some stuff about it.

Track 1: See, I think that three, I like three, but not better than the other ones.

Track 1: So I thought that I was going to be the only one here that actually enjoys the

Track 1: third movie. Listen, I don't- For many different reasons.

Track 2: I don't not enjoy it. I don't not enjoy it. It's just not as good as the other ones at all.

Track 1: Let's start with the first movie and then we'll get to the third movie.

Track 1: We don't want to, you don't need to jump to the, we don't need to go too far into the future.

Track 3: We don't want to blow our load.

Track 2: Evan did not provide me with an intro script and told me to riff and now he

Track 2: is regretting his decision.

Track 3: Riffing an intro is hard. They would always make me do it for Conspiracy Corner

Track 3: and I was scared every time. And we got to the point where we had been recording

Track 3: for like seven years, you know, once a year.

Track 3: But it was, no, we used to actually record regularly.

Track 3: And it was scary every time to do it. And I'm pretty, I'm pretty brave.

Track 3: It's scary.

Track 2: I don't normally have a problem. You know, as a lifelong DM,

Track 2: I riff a lot and I, you know, never prepare for games. So, you know.

Track 3: Okay. Okay.

Track 2: But yeah. So we'll move into the first movie first. And we're going to move

Track 2: through each of the movies one by one, much like we did Croneta Trilogy.

Track 2: We're going to discuss them all. And then we're going to go through it,

Track 2: starting with how much fucking money did Pepsi give for these movies?

Track 1: I tried to find out and I could not find out. I just know that they use it for

Track 1: like a rebrand of their logo and a bunch of other stuff.

Track 2: But geez, there's so much Pepsi anyway.

Track 3: Is it, is it as I'm trying to remember now, is it as prevalent in the first

Track 3: one or is it just the line of like, give me a Pepsi free?

Track 2: It is as prevalent in the first one.

Track 3: Is it? Okay.

Track 2: Oh yeah.

Track 3: Cause I was thinking maybe if it's not, maybe it's like it comes around again because they're.

Track 1: So if you go to the Back to the Future wiki page, it actually lists all the

Track 1: time that they mention Pepsi.

Track 1: And apparently, it's not always that they're mentioning it, but sometimes they'll be sitting on it.

Track 1: Yeah, in the second movie when they're in the alleyway when they first land,

Track 1: there's a Pepsi crate behind them.

Track 1: When he goes in the first movie, there's a Pepsi crate. So they just product placed it everywhere.

Track 2: Everywhere.

Track 3: Oh my god.

Track 4: Maybe in the future of Back to the Future, there's like a franchise war like

Track 4: Demolition Man and Pepsi One.

Track 1: Taco Bell.

Track 3: War, you might be right.

Track 2: It's possible.

Track 2: I mean, Biff, if Biff likes it, you know. Anyway, Evan, do you want to start

Track 2: us off with the first entry in the film?

Track 1: Yeah, I mean, so the, like, probably, I mean, in the first time we did this

Track 1: episode, we talked, we brought up a lot of the, like, making of it.

Track 1: And you could probably spend, like, a six-part series just on,

Track 1: like, the making of these movies of facts and all kinds of stuff.

Track 1: And I'll try not to say too many of them. But, you know, the first one is sort

Track 1: of a, I don't want to call it amazing that it was made, but there was a lot

Track 1: of struggle to get it made, mostly because, you know, there just wasn't any interest of it.

Track 1: Spielberg got involved. Of course, this was made. It came out in 1985.

Track 1: It was a blockbuster hit for people who obviously have seen this.

Track 1: They know Michael J. Fox, Christopher Lloyd of the main stars,

Track 1: Leah Thompson, Crispin Glover.

Track 1: michael j fox was not the original character who's supposed

Track 1: to play marty in this and they replaced him

Track 1: after basically filming the whole almost the entire film and it um was just

Track 1: a blockbuster hit immediately and so they're like yeah we need to make sequels

Track 1: basically after the first one came out but they did not plan to make any sequels

Track 1: when this movie came out it wasn't called part one it was just called back to

Track 1: the future so i don't know it's,

Track 1: I love this movie.

Track 3: Our cat loves it, too. Our cat's screaming at us.

Track 1: Cat's like, yeah!

Track 3: Sorry. This is her favorite.

Track 4: This movie fucking rips.

Track 3: She's mad because we're normally fast asleep by now, so everyone in our house is confused.

Track 3: I was just going to bring up the Eric Stoltz thing. Has everyone seen the pictures

Track 3: and any of the clips of Eric Stoltz?

Track 3: Yes. I'm mad. Yeah, it's very weird.

Track 1: He played it straight. Like, it's not comedic.

Track 3: Yeah. I don't know if there's any, is there any audio? Cause I've seen like,

Track 3: there's some video and there's some like still shots that I've seen,

Track 3: but I don't know if they've ever actually released.

Track 1: I don't think there's actually, I think you're right. I think it's only just

Track 1: like at some, I think it's like, he doesn't want it to be released or like they did it.

Track 1: You know, I think he, he and Robert Zemeck has apparently have like come to

Track 1: terms. They're not like mad at each other. He's not mad at him anymore.

Track 3: Right.

Track 1: Yeah.

Track 3: I read that he was like, as they were filming, like he even was like saying to like his,

Track 3: like like people doing his makeup and stuff where he's like i don't

Track 3: know why they hired me for this like i

Track 3: don't think i'm good for this like so he are i think

Track 3: he already knew that that it wasn't gonna work too damn and apparently they

Track 3: like they like had to keep filming because they weren't sure yet that they were

Track 3: gonna get michael j fox and so they were like it was obvious to him of like

Track 3: oh that's weird that we shot that scene but they only got coverage for christopher

Track 3: lloyd like they They never got coverage for me.

Track 3: So I wonder if I'm going to get fired. And then a couple weeks later,

Track 3: after filming more stuff, he is fired.

Track 1: They apparently were negotiating for weeks with Michael J. Fox.

Track 1: Yeah. Because he was filming, was it Family Matters at the time?

Track 1: yeah or whatever the show he was on and so the crazy

Track 1: story i think we i told this the last time we we discussed this but he would

Track 1: film that show during the day he would be in like the back of a pickup truck

Track 1: sleeping while they would get him to the set for back to the future and then

Track 1: he'd film into the night barely slept and they'd take him back and he'd film

Track 1: like you know for weeks god,

Track 1: and that's crazy no but look at the performance he

Track 1: gave is just brilliant yeah there's so

Track 1: many to think about like the thing that i can't get

Track 1: over when i watch it this time i mean again from like the

Track 1: political mind of it is just how shitty

Track 1: life was for people in this

Track 1: 1985 universe like even before they

Track 1: go back in time you know just where they live obviously

Track 1: you don't really get that much sense of like the other families but the town

Track 1: isn't particularly nice his family is not doing very well half their family's

Track 1: like in prison you know uh his mom's just drinking her life away it's uh it's

Track 1: 19 it's reagan era it's perfect yeah.

Track 2: It's pretty sad it's just sad it's depressing

Track 2: it really is yeah leah thomas is

Track 2: like just drinking herself to death like just quietly in the background like

Track 2: it's never noted no one ever says like hey ma like it's just quietly in the

Track 2: background as she like just continues to pour vodka into shit and drink it's

Track 2: just accepted it's so it's depressing.

Track 1: I have a question that's not a way to know.

Track 3: And then it gets fun. He tries to fuck his own mother. Then it gets fun.

Track 2: Then it does get fun.

Track 3: Then it gets really sexy.

Track 2: It picks up from there.

Track 3: Classic story.

Track 2: Listen, once you leave the 80s.

Track 3: Trying to essay your own mother.

Track 2: Much like in real life, once the 80s is over, things look up.

Track 4: The political thing I couldn't get over about the first movie was Doc Brown

Track 4: scammed Gaddafi. What the fuck?

Track 2: I have no reason to believe that he scammed Gaddafi.

Track 3: We talked about this another time on another episode, but I love in the 80s

Track 3: where everyone was living in fear that people...

Track 2: Of the Libyans.

Track 3: Yeah, Libyans were going to come to the U.S. and then hunt you down.

Track 3: They're coming to your house to kill you.

Track 3: It was so insane. This is in so many movies in the 80s where like,

Track 3: yeah, the terrorists would just come to your house.

Track 3: They're coming to our beautiful churches and our malls and they're going to

Track 3: go after us. They got rocket launchers. Yes.

Track 3: You got to watch out. They've got Volkswagen vans.

Track 3: You got to be prepared.

Track 1: The thing that's so funny to me is they're like, I can't believe,

Track 1: I don't know how they found you. And then like later and you see them like opening

Track 1: up a phone book and they're just in the phone book.

Track 1: Gee, I wonder how he found it. Open the phone book.

Track 1: For people out there, there used to be phone books and you would open it up

Track 1: and had everyone's name and their number in there and their address.

Track 3: Okay, boomer. Settle down. Settle down now, Grandpa.

Track 4: He's getting excited.

Track 3: He's reminiscing.

Track 4: He's having a flashback.

Track 3: Thank you.

Track 1: The other political thing that I also can't get over, but this is like Robert Zemeckis'

Track 1: thing he does in all of his movies, Forrest Gump, is just the co-opting of inventions

Track 1: by people of color by white people.

Track 1: Like, how many things does fucking Marty invent in this movie?

Track 2: We actually looked up skateboarding to see if black people invented it.

Track 3: Did they?

Track 2: No lie. He gets on the board and Jackie turns to me. She's like,

Track 2: when was skateboarding invented and who invented it?

Track 2: And I was like, shit, let me look. No.

Track 3: Was it a black person?

Track 2: No, a black person did not invent skateboarding.

Track 3: Shocking because like everything cool is invented by a black person. But.

Track 2: Yeah. As far as, you know, there is no record. It was just surfers in California that invented it.

Track 3: As far as we know. Okay.

Track 2: But the actual like invention of the skateboard mimics like is exactly what's pictured in the movie.

Track 2: It was from those what they called like crate scooters or box scooters.

Track 2: And it was a board that a crate was on as the handlebars.

Track 2: And then somebody just took the crate off and was like, we don't need this.

Track 2: We could just like that's literally what it was. That's where skateboards came from.

Track 3: Way less cool with a crate on it. So I understand the design choice.

Track 1: Wait, so if that's true, then you're telling me that Marty McFly didn't invent rock and roll?

Track 2: No, he definitely didn't do that. He definitely didn't do that.

Track 3: But he didn't invent Frisbees.

Track 1: Right.

Track 2: That he did do.

Track 1: What other stuff does he invent? I feel like now I can't think of anything.

Track 1: What else does in the first movie does he create or does he like co-op?

Track 3: In the third one, I guess he's the first person ever to moonwalk.

Track 2: Yep.

Track 1: Yes.

Track 3: In the second one, sports betting. He creates that, right?

Track 3: He creates sports betting apps. Sports betting is so huge in Missouri right now.

Track 2: It's also huge in Jersey.

Track 3: Oh, really? Man, every commercial that we

Track 3: see is like three times in a row it's the same Jon Hamm commercial that's like

Track 3: hey you lost all your friends from sports betting come sports bet and you'll

Track 3: get so many more friends they're going to think you're so cool it's really depressing

Track 3: I can't believe they can show that shit it's fucking everywhere it is we don't even.

Track 4: Look at sports betting on our computer anymore we look at it on our phones.

Track 3: I'm so.

Track 2: Tired every advertisement on a podcast is three different sports betting apps.

Track 3: Yes.

Track 2: Everyone.

Track 4: FanDuel.

Track 3: Yep.

Track 4: Bet365. I know these names better than I know my own grandmother's name.

Track 3: Oh, my God.

Track 1: Left of the Projector brought to you by FanDuel.

Track 3: Oh, my God. Brought to you by just sports betting.

Track 2: I literally, like...

Track 3: The whole industry.

Track 2: There are times when I listen to other podcasts and I'm like, you know what?

Track 2: I am so fucking glad we don't have advertisers. And if we did,

Track 2: there is no way in hell these would be one of them.

Track 2: I'm like, I am so happy for that.

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Track 2: I don't know what else marty supposedly invents other than i know now that i say that i can't think.

Track 1: Of anything else.

Track 2: It's skateboarding uh cullen is correct he is the first person to moon moonwalk

Track 2: which again that is a black person um yes wait he invents star wars he doesn't

Track 2: i mean well he references stars he doesn't invent star wars but his dad writes a.

Track 1: Book that's based with True.

Track 3: Damn.

Track 1: Doesn't his dad then write a book that's basically about Darth Vader?

Track 2: No.

Track 1: Like, Star Wars doesn't actually exist in the Back to the Future universe.

Track 2: He just says he, like, writes, like, I think the book he writes is,

Track 2: like, literally the story of, like, their, like, romance, but, like, sci-fi.

Track 4: That's what I thought, too.

Track 1: Well, but when George Lucas then writes Star Wars later, they'd be like,

Track 1: you just copied that dude's book because he already had Darth Vader in there.

Track 1: George Lucas is fucked because of Marty McFly. Yeah.

Track 1: Disney will never acquire Star Wars?

Track 4: So is the Libyan nuclear program.

Track 2: A match.

Track 3: Is there anything in the second one that he accidentally.

Track 2: It's called a match made in space. And it is very much just the story of like.

Track 1: Okay. Okay. Fine. Wait, does he. I believe you, Evan.

Track 3: I support your ideas.

Track 1: What does he invent in the second one? Maybe there aren't as many in this,

Track 1: this franchise as I was thinking.

Track 3: You guys should have done your research. I know a bunch. I'm just,

Track 3: I'm not going to say because.

Track 2: What I want to know is, so now let's, before we continue. All right.

Track 2: So we've, we've all watched this, but what is like everyone's like kind of like

Track 2: a experience with these films?

Track 2: Like what, like how are they factored into like your like lives?

Track 3: Oh God, Colin's going to cry. The, the first two I, I were like on repeat a

Track 3: lot as a kid and love them a lot.

Track 3: The third one I hadn't seen as much, which is probably why I have the opinion that I do of it now.

Track 2: Because it's bad.

Track 3: Because it's bad, but because I just haven't seen it as much maybe. So it's just.

Track 3: Not even nostalgic. You know, it's not even nostalgic.

Track 3: It's not only bad, it's not nostalgic for you. So you don't fucking like it.

Track 3: I do like it. Okay.

Track 3: That's not what he told me. I feel like he's trying to balance how much I hated

Track 3: the third one no I enjoyed the third one well that's nice for you.

Track 4: Yeah, I wanted to like the third one more so that I could oppose Caitlin's hate

Track 4: for it, but no, I'm right with Caitlin.

Track 3: Thank you. Thank you.

Track 2: I have some, like, actual, like, concrete reasons why I think the third one

Track 2: is bad that we can go into all these.

Track 1: I'm going to cut that part out.

Track 3: I can't wait until the third one because I know one fact. I'm just kidding.

Track 1: Oh, go ahead.

Track 3: Caitlin has a fact about the third one. About the third one,

Track 3: so we have to wait, but I'm ready.

Track 3: If anyone steals my fact, I'm going to lose my fucking mind.

Track 2: So

Track 3: Watch what you say.

Track 2: Caitlin how To your To your,

Track 2: how did they affect you know what how did these influence you like you know

Track 2: what how are these in your life.

Track 3: These movies um well not in

Track 3: any way let's see she had

Track 3: a lot of old man friends when she was in high school that were inventors yeah

Track 3: i was very personal joke okay i was gonna make i tried to fuck my mom joke but

Track 3: i won't do that um because that's not you try to fuck your dad well.

Track 2: That's that makes sense it's a gender swap that makes sense that's fine that tracks.

Track 3: That tracks yeah okay so my experience with the back to the future movies i

Track 3: think it was uh i didn't grow up like you nerds where you're consuming a bunch

Track 3: of nerdy media all the time.

Track 3: And so Back to the Future for me was just like a light viewing,

Track 3: you know, like I'm sure my dad had it on occasionally or my brother or something.

Track 3: So I had seen the first one. I knew that was like a classic.

Track 3: The second one I thought was fun because when I was little, there was,

Track 3: you know, a hover round, hoverboard, hover rounds.

Track 3: There was a hoverboard and I thought that was fun. And then,

Track 3: you know, obviously, you know, my take on the third one.

Track 3: I didn't know the third one existed truly i'm not saying that it was a joke

Track 3: i thought it was just one and two but oh yeah it was repressed yeah okay i.

Track 2: Think you should go last evan because for.

Track 4: Obvious reasons yeah you're gonna cry yeah uh for me like very much like caitlin

Track 4: like passing viewing like as a kid i wasn't super into these i'm not a nerd like you guys,

Track 4: such a fucking liar so much so much cooler than y'all,

Track 4: you don't even understand but um not like i honestly didn't even remember like

Track 4: a lot of these movies at all like fuck i didn't know the third one was a movie

Track 4: i could have swore like that was just parts of like two,

Track 4: It was like the Old West stuff. I was like, oh.

Track 3: That's just parts of two.

Track 4: Oh, no, that's his own movie. Oh, fuck. I got to watch that.

Track 2: That amazes me. The idea that like you literally didn't even know the third

Track 2: movie was a whole movie. That blows my mind.

Track 4: Yeah, no, I just wasn't in the back to the future. I had like other stuff I was into.

Track 3: Yeah. Well, it shocks me because I know a lot about movies because of Cullen.

Track 3: Cullen is like truly that is his special interest.

Track 3: He didn't get a he didn't get a cool special interest. he got being obsessed

Track 3: with so which you guys can relate i.

Track 2: Love how you say that on a podcast about movies.

Track 3: That is incredible my

Track 3: goal being on this podcast is to make every single listener

Track 3: fucking hate you fucking losers but i

Track 3: cullen has has made me i'm bringing this back

Track 3: around he has made me like really into movies even

Track 3: like stuff like the shining that i did love

Track 3: as a kid because i was i've always been very into horror cullen

Track 3: has made me see it in like a totally different light just because of

Track 3: when we're watching the shining every second of the movie he is telling me a

Track 3: fact about it so like that's i know a lot of stuff because of cullen but for

Track 3: some reason back to the future it was never like i think he's told me some facts

Track 3: about probably one and probably two as well,

Track 3: but I truly had no idea three existed.

Track 2: That just blows my mind. Do you know Viggo Mortensen broke his toe?

Track 3: Was Viggo Mortensen in the third one?

Track 2: No, no. I'm just making a joke about movie facts that people love to drop while watching movies.

Track 4: Yeah, actually part of three includes Hidalgo.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 2: It's the best part of it. Three is also super, three is super racist also.

Track 3: Yeah. No surprise. No surprise there, but yeah.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 4: Honestly, you think like the first one would like provide a lot of racism.

Track 2: Yeah, you would think so.

Track 4: You know, they toned it down pretty well.

Track 2: I mean.

Track 4: They got to make it idyllic.

Track 2: It does, but it's never presented as like, okay.

Track 2: like the the the racism in the first one is kind of like casual and like it's

Track 2: done by people that are not good people like the most overt racism in the first

Track 2: movie is from biff's friends yeah unless i mean you think something else happened like no.

Track 1: No i mean i mean it's not overt you're right that is that is definitely.

Track 2: I mean outside of that like there's nothing i can save.

Track 1: This i can save this but i was going to say like part of the like the idea of

Track 1: the premise of like the them going back into 1955 is that somehow like this

Track 1: there's only one black person other than the band at the the dance there's only

Track 1: one other black person that's ever presented in the entire movie and they white sweep the floor.

Track 2: At the cafe.

Track 1: Who later becomes mayor but at the time is not and it's clearly like kind of

Track 1: showing that this sort of like white suburban setting is the ideal like you

Track 1: know this ideal time in american history you.

Track 2: Know like the way like i don't know to me like

Track 2: the way that whole like the town is

Track 2: presented in that time and like the way marty

Track 2: reacts to it it's not positive like it is

Track 2: not looked upon as a positive experience and

Track 2: a like positive representation in his mind at least and he is the proxy for

Track 2: the audience in a lot of ways like it never it has it never struck me that the

Track 2: 1950s were portrayed in any way like idyllic in that throughout that that's fair um,

Track 2: I have watched these movies entirely too many times. I grew up watching them,

Track 2: especially the first two.

Track 2: They're like one of my favorite things. I actually realized while watching this,

Track 2: I'm like that the fact that George McFly, who is a giant ass nerd,

Track 2: defends Lorraine and like, you know, like, I'm like, wait a minute.

Track 2: I think that this might have had an outsized impact on me that like,

Track 2: if you're like a nerd, you should be a good person and protect other people

Track 2: who are being like oppressed or being, you know, like treated badly.

Track 2: And you should not be the way all these nerds have become since nerd culture

Track 2: has become the dominant culture. how they're basically shitheels and they act like they're superior.

Track 2: And I'm like, I watched that and I was like, no, you should be the person that

Track 2: like, you stand against the odds and you protect other people.

Track 2: Like George McFly, who was a fucking loser.

Track 2: Even Doc Brown, who is not socially active,

Track 2: adept recognizes the George McFly is of fucking reject like.

Track 2: Doc Brown a man that clearly is

Track 2: not all there is like this is your this is

Track 2: your father this this this guy

Track 2: this fucking loser and yet

Track 2: when the time comes he does what needs to

Track 2: be done he stands up and he he does the heroic thing which

Track 2: I on it like I said I think I actually realized I was like oh wait

Track 2: I think this might an outsized outsized impact

Track 2: on my brain as a young child um and

Track 2: then oh yeah on the top of that um it came

Track 2: out in 1985 which is the year my wife

Track 2: was born and like it's one of her all-time favorite movies and

Track 2: it's like we have like you know it's like she's like

Track 2: the entire time it's like 1985 this is your own great thing aha's

Track 2: take on me back to the future me you know like you know like we've seen it like

Track 2: in theaters together because it's an important thing not only to like me but

Track 2: like to us and to her you know so oh and i just shit on it she also doesn't

Track 2: like she also doesn't like the third one keep.

Track 4: Doing it caitlin.

Track 3: No that was really beautiful i love that i really hate to like yuck other people's yums so.

Track 2: I got.

Track 3: All my shit talking out of the way first and now i feel like a fucking dickhead.

Track 2: You you didn't say you just said you didn't grow up with it that's all i.

Track 3: Just didn't grow up with him yeah yeah.

Track 2: Yeah you didn't say anything bad about it Yeah. Other than the third one.

Track 2: You said bad things about the third one, which is fine.

Track 3: I did, yeah. And I don't take that back.

Track 2: No, you shouldn't.

Track 1: Well, we'll get to the third one.

Track 3: Evan's going to tell me that it played at his wedding.

Track 2: Just in the background. It was just in the background. That was the backdrop

Track 2: when they walked up. That was the backdrop. It was the scene where the train takes off.

Track 1: Well my my like history with this is similar to

Track 1: yours bill is that i grew up watching the first

Track 1: two i pretty think i only had one of them on

Track 1: vhs i think i don't remember if it was the first one or the second one i never

Track 1: had the trilogy i didn't watch the third one that much either i saw it a few

Track 1: times you know when it came out but if you're like going to the if you're going

Track 1: to the v like the video store you want to rent a movie you know like i wasn't

Track 1: gonna pick back to the future part three you're gonna pick one or two and i

Track 1: have i have like a book about back to the future back

Track 1: behind me somewhere on that bookshelf i have them the like

Track 1: the blu-ray set i have a actually but my sister

Track 1: got me you can't really see it it's like the it's like

Track 1: a plastic i'll just get it it's like a thing that looks like the flux capacitor

Track 1: where the time we enter in like the dates and stuff it's like a little plaque

Track 1: during that my sister got me i have you know i love these movies i love the

Track 1: third one too not as much as the other two of course but you know i um because.

Track 2: It's bad thank you evan.

Track 1: I think i told you i gave the first two five stars you know out of five and

Track 1: then the third one i give three and a half that's my that's not true your.

Track 2: Thing your thing said five stars four and a half and then i think three.

Track 1: I upgraded well i it's because i used to give the second one four and a half but i moved it with five.

Track 3: Okay. Okay.

Track 4: We didn't bump three down.

Track 1: Well, I never, I never had, I never, I don't think I never read it.

Track 1: This is just, this is like, you know,

Track 1: on letterbox or whatever, but yeah, that's, that's, I mean, I just,

Track 1: you know, I know like, I know on, on not unlimited, I know many useless facts

Track 1: about these movies that are just no, not useful to any other scenario other than right now.

Track 4: So. Okay. I'll just keep judging it until you bump down three.

Track 2: I mean, the book I read doesn't know all facts. He learned a new fact,

Track 2: like, like two nights ago.

Track 1: You did give me a new fact.

Track 2: I'm not going to tell you.

Track 4: Why are you asking him? What if he says it and it's yours?

Track 3: Oh, a fact about this?

Track 2: No, it wasn't about the third one.

Track 3: Okay, okay. I want to surprise people with this fact because it's so fucking funny.

Track 3: I feel like I'm going to say it and you guys are going to be like,

Track 3: yeah, that's a well-known fact.

Track 1: I mean, now that I'm thinking, Bill, to my talking about the 50s,

Track 1: I guess you're right that they don't make it seem ideal. But the other thing

Track 1: that they also don't make, like, the 1980s seem good, they just kind of, like, make...

Track 1: life seemed shitty for mostly everyone and the only reason marty's life got

Track 1: better was because he gave his dad a pep talk when he was like a teenager and

Track 1: somehow used that advice like to better himself for the rest of you know his next 40 30 years.

Track 3: Or whatever right to not be spineless don't be fucking spineless there was a

Track 3: little bit of trauma involved.

Track 4: To not just the pep talk.

Track 3: Yeah yeah there

Track 3: was some weird stuff i i feel like it could be

Track 3: a commentary of like you know everybody that thought

Track 3: life was shitty in the 80s and like the people that wanted to go back to the

Track 3: 50s like hey the 50s weren't good either and then now in 2025 there's still

Track 3: people that think the 50s would be cool whoever thinks the 50s would be cool

Track 3: is a fucking loser it does Nothing about the 50s,

Track 3: even like all the horrible shit,

Track 3: like the good, quote unquote, good stuff still seems fucking boring.

Track 3: Awful. Awful all around.

Track 3: I hope we don't have any 50s lovers out there. And I just shit all over there.

Track 1: That was my favorite decade, goddammit.

Track 2: I do like the style.

Track 4: Could housewives still get really cool drugs in the 50s?

Track 3: I hate the style.

Track 1: I think the cars are like the one cool thing.

Track 2: Yeah, the cars are good.

Track 3: I could, I could. The cars are cool. That's about it.

Track 1: Yeah. Nothing, nothing much else for me, really.

Track 2: I mean, I mean, I mean, actually, I think I might be more 40s.

Track 2: Yeah, I'm probably more 40s.

Track 1: Style.

Track 3: Well, yeah, I feel like, like, earlier decades were really cool and fun.

Track 3: And then the 50s was like, they regressed into like, boring and,

Track 3: I don't know, like, sterile.

Track 2: I just, I find it very interesting that like, if you like, you know,

Track 2: like read about, you know, like,

Track 2: thematic like analysis of these movies like reaganism

Track 2: and american anxieties like come up a lot and i'm just like that they are actually

Track 2: like these movies promote reaganism which like i can't how i don't understand

Track 2: where the claim comes from that these movies promote the concepts of reaganism so.

Track 3: Just some random people are saying it promotes reaganism.

Track 2: Or is it.

Track 3: Like the director.

Track 2: There is like a critics and film studies. People have like said this like repeatedly,

Track 2: like throughout the years.

Track 3: Yes. I think that's what Crispin Glover was on about too.

Track 1: Why?

Track 3: One of the reasons why he didn't come back for this sequel is that he had a,

Track 3: he had an issue with, with specifically the ending where he felt like the,

Track 3: the, the, he had, I think he had a problem with the, the truck.

Track 3: Like, like Marty gets his big toy, like his cool toy at the end.

Track 3: like he felt like it's kind of like it is

Track 3: a sick truck it's got those lights on it so sick um but he felt like it kind

Track 3: of like neutered the emotional impact of like his family is happy finally and

Track 3: right after that he gets the cool truck i do i do agree with that i can see that i.

Track 2: Can totally see that yes but like overall like.

Track 3: Mm-hmm.

Track 2: Honestly, I think to me,

Track 2: these movies are so light on actual intention like that, that it's like you

Track 2: have to put an effort into making that effort to draw that in.

Track 2: Because I don't think it's Amikas is trying to say anything fucking deep about

Track 2: anything. I don't think he is.

Track 3: No, I agree with that.

Track 3: I think legitimately all that they were trying to do is make a successful comedy

Track 3: with Steven Spielberg because they had had two attempts already that failed miserably.

Track 3: And they had written the script and they were shopping it and nobody wanted it.

Track 3: And so Zemeckis went and did Romancing the Stone because it kind of seemed like

Track 3: a good opportunity to show, okay, I can make a successful movie.

Track 3: um and i think they were just trying to make just

Track 3: a fun summer blockbuster um

Track 3: like the the the writing of the script i originated where bob gale was looking

Track 3: through his dad's yearbook and was just like would i be friends with my dad

Track 3: because me and my looks like me and my dad when we were in high school were

Track 3: so different um and i think i yeah i think it's just as meant to be like a screwball comedy.

Track 4: I don't think it is that deep i was

Track 4: trying to go through and like try to pull some like oh

Track 4: let's see if there's like any political intentions and like

Track 4: yeah no i couldn't really get anything

Track 4: like too tangible to work with

Track 4: except for like the biggest one is like in the

Track 4: second movie there's like the very liberal notion of like oh when good people

Track 4: are like in charge and good things happen to good people good economic conditions

Track 4: happen but if bad people are in charge and they take advantage then bad economic

Track 4: conditions and that's like the most i could get,

Track 4: socioeconomic analysis out of these films.

Track 2: Yeah it's kind of like in that case it's like you can

Track 2: draw that from like anything it's you know and intention i do think that intention

Track 2: like when you just when we're discussing things like this intention does matter

Track 2: it contributes to the conversation and i i just i don't think i don't think

Track 2: zamikis is that deep like no offense to me no offense to zamikis evan.

Track 1: Yeah i mean i was gonna say i mean i think the way

Track 1: that i mean i think you're right colin i think he was just they're trying to

Track 1: make a fun comedy i think we say this in a lot of episodes

Track 1: where they may not have been attempting or working

Track 1: towards anything that was remotely political i don't

Track 1: think they were injecting it maybe in the second with like the biff

Track 1: character which we can talk about and what they were actually going for

Track 1: like that was clearly modeled after donald trump in the

Track 1: 1980s but i think they're just like

Track 1: liberal-minded guys making just sort of things that

Track 1: lean slightly conservative to the point of

Track 1: like what crispin glover talked about and sort of the materialism is

Track 1: the most important thing in a way at the end of the first one which i could

Track 1: see as a perfectly valid criticism but i think for them that was just like the

Track 1: happy ending right they get what they want you know i don't think they were

Track 1: thinking like oh yeah it's this is sort of a conservative or you know boomer

Track 1: generation like the gen that gen x getting what they want there.

Track 2: Are also things to be said about material needs being met and like Like, I don't think Michael J.

Track 2: Fox's family's material needs were really being met all that well.

Track 2: Like, you know, like, yeah, he got a car, but also, like, part of that is also, like, they are...

Track 2: they're they're secure now they have security which they did not have before

Track 2: you know and it's like that also does matter like that they have some kind of

Track 2: security now in their lives like,

Track 2: which goes along with like when you're non-security when you're not secure like

Track 2: people fall back on things like leotops like being an alcoholic like their lives

Track 2: fundamentally change like what could be said is that material needs and material

Track 2: conditions do matter like,

Track 2: and one of those things is like is having the things you need to live in the

Track 2: society you live in and like it's fucked up but like that's also a thing you

Track 2: have to like grapple with and he previously didn't have those things their family

Track 2: didn't have those things.

Track 1: We could go to the second movie because we're kind of sort of bleeding in to it a little bit,

Track 1: And for any, I mean, obviously we've already shared spoilers.

Track 1: Like the first movie ends, as we've talked about, is that they go back,

Track 1: you know, he gets back the old doc from 1955, helps him return to 1985.

Track 1: Leah Thompson, you know, is there. Not before his mom tries to fuck him.

Track 4: He has his beautiful truck.

Track 1: He's going to go on his trip. And then they have, what's so funny to me is they

Track 1: claim that there was no intention to making a sequel when they made the most

Track 1: sequel ending you could possibly make.

Track 1: Yeah. I don't, I've watched commentary and, you know, all these things and they

Track 1: claim they weren't, like, thinking of the sequel. I think that's bullshit.

Track 1: I don't know. I mean.

Track 4: How the fuck were they not planning a sequel with that fucking ending?

Track 2: That's a lie. They're lying.

Track 3: That's a lie.

Track 1: And they literally also, the ending credits of the original movie,

Track 1: when there was no, like, when it first came out, it says to be continued.

Track 1: But the joke was, like, that's, like, to be continued in the future,

Track 1: not, like, with a movie. Which, again, come on.

Track 3: Hmm.

Track 1: It's like, I was born at night, but I wasn't born last night.

Track 3: It is like one of, probably one of the best third acts of a movie of all time.

Track 1: It's really fun.

Track 3: Yeah.

Track 2: The second movie to me is where, like, I know I, I joke. I,

Track 2: Alien and Aliens are really just one movie. But, like, Back to the Future 1

Track 2: and 2, like, they work so brilliantly together.

Track 2: Like, watching 2 really makes you, like, really appreciate.

Track 2: And now, I will say that I have long loved 2 to the point where there are times

Track 2: where I've been like, I think I might like 2 more than 1.

Track 3: Wow.

Track 2: Because there are aspects of 2 that, like, balance of where,

Track 2: like, you're referencing the first one.

Track 2: And it's like constantly feedback, that constant feedback of one and how the

Track 2: two scripts come together so seamlessly.

Track 2: The second movie is a brilliant piece of script work. It really is.

Track 1: Well i think what like your point kind of like

Track 1: the second act of the first

Track 1: movie also makes the second one even better

Track 1: because it i can't speak of

Track 1: how brilliant it is to redo a part of the first movie but from like different

Track 1: angles and perspectives like they talk about how hard it was to recreate you

Track 1: know because they end up having to go back to 1980 1955 again in the sequel

Track 1: in real life than he did Time.

Track 2: Machine it was hard.

Track 1: Yeah right yeah they had to wait until it was invented before they could make

Track 1: the movie it's really hard but yeah,

Track 1: I love the just the whole you know everything that Doc has to do like he's on

Track 1: the clock and he's that was the fact Bill that's the fact yes.

Track 2: It's a reference to a I actually don't remember the name of the movie it's a

Track 2: reference to one of the more famous silent films when Doc is falling off the clock.

Track 1: And he's trying to.

Track 3: Oh, yeah. Okay. Is it a Buster Keaton thing or what is it?

Track 2: Oh.

Track 3: I can see it. I can see it in my head.

Track 4: Yell for Jackie. Yell for Jackie now.

Track 2: What movie is it again? The silent movie? Safety Last. Is it Buster Keaton? Buster Keaton.

Track 2: No.

Track 3: No? No.

Track 2: Who is it?

Track 3: So sorry, Harold Lloyd.

Track 2: She's going to fight Cullen.

Track 3: Okay.

Track 1: I would have thought Buster Keaton, too, just based on the physical comedy that he does.

Track 3: Who the fuck is Buster Keaton?

Track 2: What? Are you serious?

Track 3: Who is Buster Keaton?

Track 4: See, Caitlin's not a nerd.

Track 2: Who Buster Keaton is?

Track 3: He was in Back to the Future 3.

Track 2: He's like one of the most famous old-timey actors of all time.

Track 3: Yeah. If you look up Buster Keaton's stuff, you've seen Buster Keaton.

Track 3: Cullen always is like, if you look up whatever old person name,

Track 3: and then I'm like, I have no idea who this person is.

Track 1: He invented some of those insane special effects with, obviously,

Track 1: just practical effects, like ever made.

Track 3: Yeah. But it's not him.

Track 2: It's not him.

Track 3: Yeah, it's not him.

Track 2: It's Safety Last, which is Harold Lloyd, which was a 1923 silent romantic comedy.

Track 1: Wait, you think his name was also Lloyd? That's weird.

Track 2: Yes.

Track 3: Crazy.

Track 1: We can go past that part. Oh, go ahead. Sorry, Cole.

Track 3: Oh, I was just going to say, like, I can see, now that you say that,

Track 3: I can see that scene in my head. And yeah, that makes perfect sense.

Track 1: It's so good. Like, his pants are ripping and, like, the thing is attached and

Track 1: it's, you know, he's, like, going to lose it.

Track 1: And then the tree falls and he has to slide down. And you're like,

Track 1: oh, my God. Every time I watch him, I'm like, is he going to do it?

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 3: It escalates in a perfect way.

Track 2: It's one of those things that's like, you know it's going to happen.

Track 2: But no matter how many times you've watched it, you're like,

Track 2: ooh, is he going to succeed?

Track 3: Right.

Track 1: And also, how did he not die from the lightning going through at the same time?

Track 2: He got blown off. He's fine. People live from lightning strikes.

Track 2: In real life, people live from lightning strikes.

Track 1: He only got hit by 1.1 gigawatts, not 1.21.

Track 3: Yeah.

Track 1: But yeah, the second one, for people who don't know,

Track 1: it takes place like it's literally the end of the first movie is Doc Brown comes back from the future,

Track 1: takes Marty and his and Jen to 2015 to with also one of my favorite lines.

Track 1: And it's like, what do we become assholes or something?

Track 1: And he's like, no, like that's the worst thing that could happen is you could become assholes.

Track 3: I think I know I'm probably alone in this, but for me, the issue I have with

Track 3: the second one is the first act.

Track 3: And as a kid, that was my favorite part because I was like the hoverboards and everything.

Track 3: But I feel like the second and third act of the second movie is really strong.

Track 3: But the first act just doesn't, I feel like the explanation of why they need

Track 3: to go back doesn't, or why they need to go into the future doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Track 3: and and then some of the stuff of them in the future just doesn't hold up for

Track 3: me quite as well as it did when when i had first seen it.

Track 1: What gets me.

Track 2: What gets me about the second one is they literally leave his girlfriend in

Track 2: an alleyway in garbage yeah she's just there.

Track 3: They sure do.

Track 2: Until the.

Track 3: End of the third.

Track 2: Movie.

Track 1: So in a pile of

Track 1: garbage here's here's my big here's my

Track 1: big question here might be a question about part two that i've been

Track 1: like thinking about this a lot according to like doc and

Track 1: like marty himself he blames himself because he

Track 1: bought the the almanac he biff

Track 1: overhears the conversation steals the steals

Track 1: the time machine and gives it to himself to make himself rich in the future right

Track 1: in my opinion it's actually doc brown's fault

Track 1: for all of this because if he didn't show up

Track 1: brown's fault well no but but here hear me

Track 1: out if he didn't show up in broad daylight which

Track 1: he also thought was a bad idea to let people see the time machine biff sees

Track 1: him in the in the in the driveway it's like what's that is that a time machine

Track 1: and then he remembers that nugget 30 years ahead and then he sees the time machine

Track 1: again and it triggers him to then realize what it is to then steal it to give

Track 1: himself the almanac but if he had,

Track 1: later that night also why.

Track 4: Not be like.

Track 3: Hey hey it's doc when you guys have kids your son's gonna get mixed up in this

Track 3: thing so just make sure on this day like playing a family.

Track 4: Vacation or something.

Track 3: Like why do they have to go into the future to to deal with this.

Track 4: Exactly like wasn't part of the

Track 4: whole first movie like stressing like hey we can't just be fucking around with

Track 4: time machine for personal gain you gotta be careful how you affect time and

Track 4: then like the first the second movie starts off with like hey in the future

Track 4: your kid fucks up so we gotta use this time machine for personal gain that is.

Track 2: Actually doc brown's like marty's marty's character arc is like basically learning

Track 2: responsibility in a lot of ways and like also becoming sure for himself Doc Brown's, like...

Track 2: Actual story arc is being connected to other people and caring about things

Track 2: that are beyond the intellectual.

Track 2: That is his story arc. His story arc starts out, we can't interfere with things,

Track 2: and ends with, I will destroy my intellectual,

Track 2: my, by movie three, his story arc ends with, I will destroy the thing,

Track 2: I will leave behind everything.

Track 2: And destroy the greatest piece of intellectual work I've ever done for love.

Track 2: And movie two is, I will risk my intellectual integrity to ensure the well-being

Track 2: of the son of this, you know,

Track 2: this, this person who like has come to be like almost like a surrogate son to

Track 2: him. Like that's, that's doc.

Track 2: That's his story arc learning to care about things.

Track 3: And that's what really bothers me when you guys say part three is bad is because

Track 3: you don't want to see doc fall in love you don't want to see doc be happy and

Track 3: that's that's the problem with you guys doc brown haters there are.

Track 2: I have very.

Track 4: Specific in all fairness doc brown's arc started with undermining the libyan nuclear program.

Track 3: Okay and.

Track 4: Leading to the toppling in the coup of gaddafi,

Track 4: That's not the gang's fault.

Track 2: That's unfair. That's unfair.

Track 4: How's that unfair?

Track 2: I don't think you can lay, I don't think you put the whole thing at his feet. I think you can.

Track 3: I think you can more.

Track 4: They rightfully stole the plutonium. Okay. Just fully.

Track 4: And then hired somebody who scammed them. Yeah. It's his, it's his fault.

Track 1: It actually reminds me of one of my favorite lines is when he goes back in time

Track 1: in the first movie and he's like, yeah, sure.

Track 1: I'm sure in 1985, anyone can just buy plutonium at any corner store.

Track 1: But in 1955, it's hard to come by.

Track 1: It's like, why would anyone need to buy plutonium at the grocery store?

Track 2: It's the same logic of Fallout universe. It's like, you know,

Track 2: at a certain point, in the 1950s, they were like, you know, 20 years from now,

Track 2: we're just going to be using fucking radioactivity for everything.

Track 1: Yeah, that's true.

Track 2: Put it in the car.

Track 3: I went to that for a minute.

Track 2: At a certain point in actual history, they were putting radioactive material

Track 2: in children's toys. Okay?

Track 2: I just, like, in real life.

Track 1: What was that, Caitlin? yeah.

Track 2: No i have specific that is not my problem with three i have specific reasons i don't.

Track 1: Just wait wait we're not there everyone's everyone's excited to just to get

Track 1: the three well one of the things that i thought when i just thought of this

Track 1: is it would have been funny if they had somehow like invented nfts in this like

Track 1: in the future like that was like one of the things they invented but they did it.

Track 2: I love the, I love the, like the way the future is imagined by people.

Track 2: It is the future as imagined by these people is exactly the future that all

Track 2: of these like tech bro oligarchs try to create.

Track 2: And it is the most empty, vapid, hollow thing.

Track 2: And it's really like the, and to me, like, that's like the big thing that jumps out.

Track 2: And this is not, I don't think it's a deliberate action on the part of the creators,

Track 2: but this is a reflection of the mentality that if you do not change anything,

Track 2: despite the fact that you get toys,

Track 2: things change, technology advances, and people get shiny new things,

Track 2: but nothing fundamentally changes.

Track 2: If you don't change the system, nothing changes. You just get more expensive toys.

Track 2: that's it and that's exactly what they portray in that in two when they go back

Track 2: to the future it's like fundamentally nothing has changed you have jaws 19 and you.

Track 1: Have like the mayor's the mayor's like great great or.

Track 2: Like grandson.

Track 1: Is now the mayor.

Track 2: Yeah if you don't change you do get the ayatollah at the cafe 80s though that's true that's true.

Track 1: Which is awesome.

Track 4: Oh, they got rid of lawyers in the future. There is that.

Track 1: But they didn't get rid of capitalism, so.

Track 2: They probably just called them something different. They got rid of them the

Track 2: way libertarians get rid of things. They just call it a different thing.

Track 1: Corporatism, guys.

Track 2: Corporatism.

Track 3: Still got fax machines, though.

Track 2: Yeah, still got fax machines.

Track 3: They still got fax machines. They could not dream bigger than fax machines. They got wear two ties.

Track 2: To be clear, we can't get rid of fax machines in real life again.

Track 2: Why? Please make that go away.

Track 4: They just imagine smaller ones everywhere.

Track 1: I like the dehydrator, the pizza thing. That was always pretty cool.

Track 1: The little thing that comes down.

Track 4: The Black & Decker rehydrator.

Track 1: I do also like how Marty plays all of the characters in that.

Track 1: He plays his sister. He plays his son, everything.

Track 3: It's bizarre.

Track 2: It's bizarre.

Track 3: Is that a guy in weird Crispin Glover makeup? Yeah. It's a real nutty professor situation.

Track 2: Speaking of makeup, Evan, I have to ask you this.

Track 2: in two okay in the first act of

Track 2: two marty is accosted by another person to save the clock tower it is an old

Track 2: man it's a person in old man makeup do you know who that is why is he an old

Track 2: man makeup why why didn't they

Track 2: just get an old man fuck you're right it's gotta be someone if they're.

Track 3: If they're dressing them.

Track 2: Up who is like that's there's it's not a callback it's never referenced again

Track 2: who is that person are you talking.

Track 1: About the guy who comes up to Marty and asked him to give money for the.

Track 2: Clock hour and he yes well.

Track 4: That happens in the first but it's an old lady.

Track 2: But it's a real old lady but in the second what if it's an old lady in an old

Track 2: man makeup it's an actual old lady like a like a natural like in the second one what.

Track 4: If it's the old lady in makeup in old.

Track 2: Man makeup.

Track 4: Cause we hear.

Track 2: The cops talking about like.

Track 4: Oh my god that's a hell of a facelift so they gotta have some good facelifts.

Track 2: What she.

Track 4: Might have one.

Track 1: Of the really good facelifts I think the best part of the joke about the facelift

Track 1: is he looked exactly the fucking same.

Track 2: They're talking about they're talking about wait the girlfriend that's what

Track 2: they're talking about when they said the facelift oh which no.

Track 4: When leah when leah thompson's love passed out in the.

Track 2: No they're not leah thompson the.

Track 4: Fucking girlfriend that's passed out in the alley yeah.

Track 2: It's when elizabeth shoe passes out which i do believe we should talk about

Track 2: the replacement of elizabeth shoe and what people how people feel about elizabeth

Track 2: shoe being the replacement of the girlfriend i.

Track 3: Do want to talk about that because the girl they replaced her with is.

Track 2: It's elizabeth show okay.

Track 3: Well she is in uh adventures and babysitting is that the movie has anyone seen that oh.

Track 1: Yeah fuck yeah.

Track 3: Okay well i had a big crush on her when i was little so i do like to see her the reason she wasn't.

Track 1: In the sequel because she quit.

Track 4: Caitlin will not be bad mouthing her.

Track 2: Yeah her mother had cancer i

Track 2: stand her yeah but i don't i prefer the original

Track 2: actor that played the girlfriend she elizabeth shoe's

Track 2: presentation is way more just like fraught like she seems so like high strung

Track 2: and kind of like manic and like uppity jennifer in the the first movie seems

Track 2: so just like chill and cool yeah and elizabeth's presentation is so off she.

Track 3: Doesn't get to do much other than be confused and then pass out.

Track 2: Yeah that's.

Track 3: Pretty much all she gets to do.

Track 2: And hide.

Track 4: And be put- Hide while confused.

Track 2: Barrel bales of giant CDs.

Track 3: That's-

Track 1: Those were Laserdiscs, Bill. Those were gems.

Track 3: Which I love.

Track 2: It's like, they're like, in the future, we're not going past this.

Track 2: They're just going to get bigger. They're just going to get bigger.

Track 1: The guy who plays the guy you're talking about who looks old,

Track 1: I found who that it was. He was not old. They just decided to make him look older.

Track 2: Yeah, I know that. I want to know why.

Track 3: Bill.

Track 2: That's the fucking question. That's the question.

Track 4: Why couldn't you just get an old guy?

Track 3: Bill's question.

Track 1: I think the idea, so that actor was in Who Framed Roger Rabbit the year before, between one and two.

Track 1: I'm guessing he just wanted him

Track 1: in the movie and he just didn't think he would look good as a young guy.

Track 2: It's such a weird choice.

Track 3: What?

Track 2: It's such a weird choice. I know, I mean.

Track 3: That's crazy.

Track 2: It is such a fucking weird choice.

Track 3: Maybe there was something that they filmed or were planning the film of when

Track 3: they go back to 1985 or something.

Track 3: And so he was going to play two different ages, maybe. that had to be it because

Track 3: what a fucking weird thing to do yeah out.

Track 2: Of context it's truly bizarre.

Track 3: Yeah well he's the voice for.

Track 1: Roger rabbit not just the cab in the in the who framed roger rabbit that's.

Track 3: The voice actor.

Track 1: From roger that's royalty.

Track 3: Oh yeah yeah.

Track 4: Why hide that.

Track 3: Yeah hey.

Track 2: Did you guys know that who framed roger rabbit is according to evan a child's

Track 2: a kid's movie it's kids movie.

Track 3: Excuse yeah listen that's a lot of our sexual awakening okay it's more than

Track 3: just a kids movie it's the sexiest it's the sexiest kids movie there is.

Track 1: All right, so I figured it out. This guy, Terry, the guy, he was the auto mechanic in 1955.

Track 3: Oh, okay.

Track 2: Okay.

Track 3: Okay.

Track 1: So that's why he's older. It had to be that. So you're right.

Track 4: That makes sense. But they could have just got somebody else.

Track 3: Yeah, certainly.

Track 2: 1950, what year are they in?

Track 1: 60 years later. So if he was 20, he could be 80, but they have lots of surgeries now.

Track 2: So you could look like he's 60. Okay.

Track 4: Faceless.

Track 2: They did it. It's so extensive. Like, you cannot recognize him at all. Like, at all.

Track 1: He's the one. When Biff gets into the accident in the manure and he's arguing

Track 1: with him over how much money he is, that's the same actor.

Track 2: There's no way to know that.

Track 3: They could just not have done that.

Track 1: No, I never knew this, and I know a lot about this movie.

Track 2: There's no way to know that in the movie. That's wild.

Track 3: Yeah, that's insane.

Track 1: The other funny thing that I noticed when I, like, did some, like,

Track 1: stop, like, the screenshots, when they show like newspaper you know how they

Track 1: often use like newspapers and it's like oh the the story changes there are a

Track 1: bunch of really funny newspapers like the i guess the big crux of the second

Track 1: movie is that they create an alternate 1985 they have to go back and fix,

Track 1: which i think is also just like an awesome plot point and like they have to

Track 1: go to this weird 85 where biff tannen who's like donald trump is like a what the casino I don't know.

Track 1: not oligarch isn't the right word.

Track 2: He is posited as if he is some kind of

Track 2: local he's not just like yeah like

Track 2: he's not just like he is in charge

Track 2: like they pot the way he is posited in that thing as if he actually and when

Track 2: i was a child i thought he was just in charge of america like the way he's like

Track 2: putting like he's just in charge like he he rules america like that's the way

Track 2: it's it's kind of like put out there is as if like he's the president or like emperor of america.

Track 1: Well i'm about to put a put a thorn in your plan because when he holds a newspaper

Track 1: in that period it says that nixon's seeking his fifth term so nixon is still president somehow.

Track 2: Biff chanon seems to have a lot of power for a guy that he's.

Track 1: He's vice president.

Track 2: Yeah like i.

Track 4: Don't know because i mean he doesn't just own a casino with all those headlines.

Track 2: Like one.

Track 4: Of the The headline says, like, he owns nuclear power plants that dump toxic chemicals. Yeah.

Track 4: Like in mass, but like he owns nuclear power plants for fuck's sake.

Track 4: Like Mr. Burns type shit.

Track 1: Did he fund the Libyan nuclear program?

Track 4: Probably not.

Track 2: Probably not.

Track 4: Like there's not cool.

Track 3: Yeah, he's not based.

Track 2: He is like running shit.

Track 4: He owns the police.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 1: Kid, I own the police.

Track 2: I can't imagine being the actor that plays Biff Tannen.

Track 2: His character is one of the most insufferable, obnoxious, purely,

Track 2: easily hated, hateable characters.

Track 2: I couldn't imagine being that man.

Track 3: I would love to do that.

Track 2: He's like the original kid that played Joffrey.

Track 2: Three movies in a row, you just play the worst person in the movie.

Track 1: What's even crazier is the first Back to the Future movie was his first speaking role in a movie.

Track 3: Damn.

Track 2: Hey, you, would you like to sexually assault a woman on screen?

Track 3: Boom.

Track 2: Not only that, I'll do it two more times.

Track 4: Not only that, Bill, hey, do you want to be an asshole the entire time in a

Track 4: movie and sexually assault some people?

Track 4: And then, hold on, at the end, you're a fucking loser.

Track 2: Yeah you sold are you sold,

Track 2: Like, it's a fucking wild choice. It's a wild choice.

Track 3: He also ends up in Horseshit. Not to bring it back to the third one, but...

Track 2: Three times.

Track 3: All three movies. All three movies. I definitely call it...

Track 2: In the third movie, it is especially ripe, though. It is...

Track 3: It is...

Track 2: Bright green.

Track 3: Yeah. Too much.

Track 1: Here's the question I have. The first movie, they never use,

Track 1: like, the joke where Marty, if they call him chicken, he, like,

Track 1: has to... But in the second one, they just materialize this sort of lore about him.

Track 1: How does that work exactly? I couldn't put my mind around.

Track 3: Yeah, it's, it's something that I would buy.

Track 3: I would, I would buy it if, if not the first, the whole plot point of the first

Track 3: movie that he, you know, he doesn't want to be like his dad,

Track 3: but his dad isn't like, he helps his dad overcome that, uh, aspect of his personality.

Track 3: So his dad isn't like that anymore. So that wouldn't really be an issue for him. And, you know.

Track 1: But maybe that's like the opposite now that because he had him stand up is that

Track 1: he always now has to stand up for himself like he took his own advice to the extreme i don't know i.

Track 2: Mean that's it's never it's never really like explored explicitly and it's also

Track 2: like it goes against his general character his general character is pretty chill

Track 2: he's yeah just a cool guy he's just he's just chill.

Track 1: That's like the one i mean there's lots of kind of inconsistencies in

Track 1: the time travel things but that always confused

Track 1: me but the only thing i could think of is at the end of the third movie like

Track 1: the very one of the very last scenes when he doesn't get into the car accident

Track 1: because he doesn't take the bait and that's in like the current 1985 like that's

Track 1: the beginning of the movie you know right time somehow that trans i don't know yeah.

Track 3: Well i think that's all in this in the scripts for that payoff at the end of the third movie.

Track 1: Right right yeah the whole the whole time, it has to lead to that.

Track 1: But there's also the great, like, in the second movie, when Biff's in the tub,

Track 1: and he's watching the Clint Eastwood with the bulletproof vest,

Track 1: and then he uses that in the second one. That's another great call.

Track 1: There's so many good calls.

Track 3: Right.

Track 1: That's why I like the third one.

Track 3: Yeah. You're all haters. Maybe it is, like, the first movie is learning to stand

Track 3: up for yourself, and then you got two and three is more.

Track 2: Learn to let things go.

Track 3: Right, yeah. Learning to pick your babbles.

Track 2: Though I do want to say, my media thought on what he did in the third one,

Track 2: which is like, hey, man, that's also super not safe.

Track 3: Yeah, why go in reverse, dude?

Track 2: That's also really dangerous.

Track 1: It's because he had to do the little quick spin around so he could then see,

Track 1: you know, the, I don't know.

Track 1: I just want power laces and a flying car. I don't know, man.

Track 2: I wanted a hoverboard so bad.

Track 3: Same.

Track 4: Hoverboard. power laces as well power laces exist in real life but they're goddamn expensive they.

Track 1: Release like some like 500 version of the ones from part two yeah like yeah.

Track 3: The shoes exist.

Track 4: Well they like yeah nike did an official release twice and i think they're like

Track 4: 500 at release but like for the first batch at least but like yeah that's not

Track 4: how much they sell for now no.

Track 1: It's like they're like 10 grand or something.

Track 4: No, they're like 60.

Track 1: Oh, geez, really?

Track 3: We're just keeping track. We just keep an eye out for Selena.

Track 4: I used to be a sneakerhead. And then watching this again, I was like,

Track 4: oh, shit, the power laces. Oh, fuck. I forgot about those.

Track 4: And so I looked up the current prices, and it was like the last couple pairs

Track 4: hold for like 60, 70,000.

Track 2: Jesus.

Track 4: Damn. Yeah, they released them in 2011. There was only like 1,100 pairs.

Track 4: and then again in 2016 but they only did like 60 pairs in.

Track 1: 2016 they could totally have something where i just like you press a button

Track 1: and it sort of retracts them or something if they wanted to yeah.

Track 4: Nike's made a couple other.

Track 2: Models there's a current there's a current a new they're they're it's called

Track 2: power lace it's actually a current company they're currently taking priority.

Track 1: It was anything from anything like from anything else from two we can hit three Just.

Track 3: The Crispin Glover Lawsuit,

Track 3: where he sued the company for using his likeness in the second movie.

Track 3: And that's kind of, well, it's still in all actors.

Track 3: If you're a member of the Screen Actors Guild now, all of your contracts have

Track 3: it where they can't use outtakes or you're trying to recreate your likeness

Track 3: in another movie without paying you something.

Track 1: Because of this movie.

Track 3: Oh. Yeah, yeah.

Track 2: You know what?

Track 3: Hell yeah yeah that's cool it's.

Track 1: Funny like in the in the like the behind the scenes the it's like zemeckis's

Track 1: way of describing of what happened was that he asked for more money they didn't

Track 1: want to give it to him because they didn't think he was worthy of that like

Track 1: thing and then he they just he they just decided to.

Track 3: Pass on him which i think he did

Track 3: he had a point asking for more money because apparently it

Track 3: was like less than half of what everybody else was

Track 3: getting paid and he's still he's a pretty iconic character not as

Track 3: much as mcfly and doc from the

Track 3: first one but i mean he still is a pretty iconic character

Track 3: from that movie so he was worth more but i

Track 3: i think i mean he's a fucking weird dude and other other explanations of what

Track 3: he was like when they were trying to make that movie make it sound like he was

Track 3: just a constant pain in the ass so i think they just were looking for any excuse

Track 3: to say like well we at we offered it but yeah They really didn't want him to be there.

Track 1: Christopher Lloyd apparently was pretty annoying, too. Like,

Track 1: he wouldn't do any of the, um, he wouldn't do, like, during the rehearsals, he wouldn't try.

Track 1: So they started actually filming the rehearsals to get him to actually do the scenes.

Track 1: And, like, Michael J. Fox said, like, they would just have to hope that they

Track 1: got it right, like, after one of the first takes. Because, like,

Track 1: he didn't want to do more takes, so.

Track 1: He just seems kind of like a dick. Michael J.

Track 2: Fox.

Track 1: They liked him, though.

Track 2: Michael J. Fox has quite a few stories about both of them, and he's like he

Track 2: knew Crispin Glover before,

Track 2: Like he never worked with him. Um, and he'd worked with Christopher Lloyd before.

Track 2: And he's like, and he said, and like one of these, like in the book that he

Track 2: wrote about, he's like, so first of all, Crispin Glover would not stay on Mark ever, ever.

Track 2: So that scene where they're in the backyard and there's, they're by the clothesline.

Track 2: Apparently the, they actually like fenced him in with sandbags and like stands.

Track 2: so that he was forced to go where they wanted him to go.

Track 2: Because otherwise, he wouldn't do it. He just refused to do it.

Track 2: He said that, like, Michael J.

Track 2: Fox says that he's like, he thinks that Glover basically thought of George McFly

Track 2: as like a free spirit and an adventurer and a wanderer.

Track 2: And so that his character, so he wouldn't,

Track 2: stay on that either to like embody the character and

Track 2: he's you know he says he's like christopher he's like

Track 2: working christopher lloyd he's like you never is like

Track 2: you you never know quite what's going to like happen he's like but not knowing

Track 2: what's going to happen is different than like not knowing what crispin glover

Track 2: is going to do which is like not only is you not what it was going to do but

Track 2: it's never going to be even in your wildest imagination what it's going to be

Track 2: it's always going to be like on what field like apparently he is a nightmare to work.

Track 3: Oh my god they did.

Track 4: Like it is christopher lloyd is unpredictable but in frame.

Track 2: Yeah yeah exactly that's basically what it is no.

Track 1: But christopher i mean crispin glover was on an episode of family ties with

Track 1: michael j fox so that's how yeah.

Track 2: Yeah he says like and he said he's like and he says he's like i like crispin

Track 2: glover he's like i genuinely like him as a person he's like but working with

Track 2: him was a nightmare he's like it just was bad he's like i like him i've known

Track 2: him before this he's like but working that's why he had that little pad right.

Track 1: So that he could write down his lines and not like run away.

Track 2: Yeah it's crazy yeah apparently he's the real he's one of those character those

Track 2: method actors who like you can't fucking like yeah yeah he's.

Track 3: Cut from the nicholas cage cloth yeah he does seem a lot like.

Track 2: Nicholas cage i don't know i yeah they.

Track 1: Kind of have like the same hairstyle too.

Track 2: And then Christopher Lloyd is his own, you could tell Christopher Lloyd is like

Track 2: barely acting. That's just who Christopher's like.

Track 4: That's great though.

Track 2: Yeah. He has been a favorite of mine since I was a child.

Track 2: You know, like I've always loved Christopher Lloyd. Like I watched Christopher Lloyd at Taxi.

Track 2: Like, you know, like watch the weird ones of Taxi.

Track 1: Christopher Lloyd was in the year before he did Back to the Future.

Track 1: No one's going to get that. National Improves Joy of Sex. which I didn't know.

Track 3: Was a movie I didn't either did they bury that movie like tiptoes I don't know.

Track 2: Tiptoes was not buried sadly also.

Track 3: Ernie hudson was in it we had a party where we watched tiptoes and our friend

Track 3: two of our friends we like in the group are no longer friends the trailer,

Track 3: because i would they're like our weirdest friends so they did end up enjoying

Track 3: it but in the group chat we sent the trailer and then and then when they got

Track 3: there mark and nox were like what the fuck are we watching we didn't watch the

Track 3: trailer that you sent and we were like Oh,

Track 3: I'm so glad you're coming into this movie night with no context.

Track 3: It was so funny. That was insane.

Track 4: I'm very happy, but sorry.

Track 3: It was insane and it kept going. It was crazy. Let's do next left of the projector. Let's do tiptoes.

Track 1: I've never seen that.

Track 3: I'm not kidding. Evan, it's so crazy. I can't believe it.

Track 3: Gary Oldman in the role of a lifetime.

Track 2: Evan, have you listened to our Greatest Rivals episode on Tip Tops?

Track 1: No.

Track 2: It's a good episode.

Track 3: Oh, my God. It's crazy. Gary Oldman is working off his knees.

Track 3: He's playing a little person, and he is literally on his knees.

Track 3: And in some of the shots, you can see his legs, like, behind.

Track 3: Wait, but I don't understand.

Track 1: But Peter Dinklage is in it. Why do they need him to be on his? Sorry.

Track 4: Because wonderful questions are being asked.

Track 3: Where Gary Oldman, his character, is sitting on a couch.

Track 3: And it's so obvious that the bottom half of his body is inside the couch.

Track 3: And he's just got dull legs.

Track 3: He's got Kermit the Frog legs. It's crazy.

Track 3: We rewinded that like 12 times. It was wildest thing I've ever seen in my life. It was so crazy.

Track 3: They put that man in a couch and then called it the role of a lifetime.

Track 1: I'm going to watch this tomorrow.

Track 2: They were like trying to get Oscars.

Track 3: He could tell his Oscar rate.

Track 2: Which, which, right. This is the best part. Okay. This is the best part.

Track 2: Gary Oldman in that movie.

Track 2: Gary Oldman in that movie is Matthew McConaughey's. Okay.

Track 3: Little.

Track 2: Gary Oldman in that movie is Matthew McConaughey's twin brother who was not a little person. Okay.

Track 3: Matthew McConaughey is not a little person.

Track 2: Gary Oldman is a little person. Who is his twin brother.

Track 2: And then Peter Tinklage is just a separate character who is also like, why? What the fuck?

Track 3: It's crazy. It's the craziest movie I've ever seen. We quote it all the time.

Track 1: I'm going to watch it tomorrow.

Track 3: God, it's so funny. Fuck. I hate Gary Oldman with a passion.

Track 1: Oh, I love Gary Oldman.

Track 3: I hate that bitch. He's a bad person, Evan.

Track 1: I know, I know.

Track 3: He's a bad, bad man.

Track 1: I know, but he's in so many good moods.

Track 3: And they put him in a couch and try to get an Oscar from that. That makes me so mad.

Track 2: That's a plant.

Track 3: That's an industry plant to me. That's a couch plant.

Track 3: Not since J.D. Vance has anyone been deeper inside a couch. Yes, bitch.

Track 1: Tiptoe the story of jd vance,

Track 1: cullen.

Track 3: That.

Track 2: Is that's the greatest line ever.

Track 3: Once an episode cullen will come out with like the best line it's crazy if only

Track 3: this episode was about that movie,

Track 3: Yeah, you got to keep the tiptoes part in, Evan. Release your tiptoes cut.

Track 4: Or at least say you're going to cut it and then leave it in.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 3: Yeah.

Track 1: I usually do that.

Track 2: So it could be for the super cut.

Track 3: A signature, yes.

Track 2: So it could be for the super cut. Okay, so.

Track 1: Back to the Future 3.

Track 2: Back to the Future 3.

Track 3: Part 3.

Track 4: Boom.

Track 1: Here's the thing. I'm going to tell you why Back to the Future Part 3 is good,

Track 1: despite the blatant racism, especially in the first 20 minutes.

Track 3: Are we talking about racism against Native Americans?

Track 2: Yes.

Track 3: Yeah, they were like, these are the bad guys and that's just that.

Track 1: And there's the cavalry. They're just going to go and chase that.

Track 1: Like, terrible. Even if the cavalry- Without a doubt.

Track 2: If the cavalry- I forgot that the cavalry was actually chasing them.

Track 2: And I turned to Jack and I was just like, this is just racist.

Track 2: Like, what? They just think indigenous people just run around screaming all

Track 2: the time? Like, what the fuck? Yes, they do.

Track 3: And then the cavalry comes up like.

Track 2: Oh, it's even more racist.

Track 1: Just and the all they needed that entire scene for was just so that an arrow

Track 1: could puncture the gas line.

Track 3: Yeah that was that was the.

Track 1: Point of that whole and i guess they also had the.

Track 2: Honestly i would say it's not even that it's literally for the gag that starts

Track 2: when he's driving towards it yeah.

Track 3: Yeah that's it you're.

Track 2: Right it was for that stupid gag.

Track 3: Yeah that was really dumb too yeah i

Track 3: i mean and this is my problem with both of the sequels that

Track 3: the first act of for me the first

Track 3: act of both movies is is really weak it's like they didn't know how to start

Track 3: and yeah yeah and the third one especially they didn't know how to start and

Track 3: it really is just kind of like okay play the hits and they just kind of rehash

Track 3: bits again evan was telling us why he despite this he loves this third part and now we're just all,

Track 3: i still love the evan finish i.

Track 1: So despite that horrible opening and it being really very racist,

Track 1: what I think is good about the third one is like each of them is actually kind

Track 1: of like a different genre of film.

Track 1: Like the third one is really kind of a rom-com that's set in a situation where

Track 1: they're going back in time.

Track 1: And what I like about it is that they've, what you said earlier,

Track 1: Bill, about the idea that the arc of Doc Brown is from someone who cares about

Track 1: only himself and the science.

Track 1: And he, like, there's no way anyone could fall in love. And he does.

Track 1: And their characters flip where Doc Brown is saying Marty's lines.

Track 1: Marty is saying Doc Brown's lines. he becomes the voice

Track 1: of reason to doc of like we need to do these things scientifically

Track 1: and all of these things and i think it

Track 1: it kind of dulls the message for me at the very end when he's like oh so like

Track 1: what how come this paper is blank and it's like oh well you could write any

Track 1: future you want but in some ways like he is correct in that you can change one

Track 1: thing but it's gonna you can't change like one little thing and expect it to

Track 1: change the world kind of thing he feels.

Track 2: That last line feels so like shoehorned in and like he comes off so like willy wonka it is.

Track 1: You're really.

Track 2: Wonka ass terrible it is terrible that is.

Track 1: So shoehorned in no they didn't they didn't it is.

Track 2: It is terrible and it is so i really don't like that there.

Track 4: Could have been any other like semi positive, open-ended Doc Brown lines that

Track 4: they could have used, but they forced him to say that shit, and it felt so out of place.

Track 2: It really did.

Track 3: Well, it makes me happy, and Doc Brown is like my dad.

Track 3: I see Doc Brown as like my dad. Okay. So fuck you guys.

Track 3: Caitlin, is there anything you'd like to mention about that scene?

Track 3: I would like to mention something about that scene, you guys.

Track 3: I have a little fact for you.

Track 3: So does anyone know the fact of the little kid, one of his kids in that scene?

Track 3: If you watch them, I have to get up and demonstrate.

Track 3: I've got a heating pad. I've got so many cords.

Track 2: Those little kids are creepy.

Track 3: If you watch that scene, the kid, he is going like this.

Track 3: And he's like smiling a little bit because his mom's off camera and he's telling

Track 3: her that he has to pee and they left it.

Track 3: So go back and watch, go back and watch it. Cause his face is so funny.

Track 3: He's like, it's so fucking funny.

Track 3: It's crazy. Yeah.

Track 1: You're like, we got it.

Track 4: Fantastic.

Track 3: Yeah. Nobody will notice that, which I mean, they were right.

Track 3: Not a lot of people noticed.

Track 1: I did. I did not know that.

Track 3: No, I don't think I'll be able to see that scene the same. Oh,

Track 3: no. It's crazy. Because once you see it.

Track 4: You cannot see it. I mean, it's a bad movie. I don't know if I'll rewatch it.

Track 4: So I don't know if I'll see it again. Well, now you have to.

Track 1: Part of what I like about it, too.

Track 3: Make joy and watch it.

Track 2: I know you can all see my head pointed to the right.

Track 2: And I know that Warden never knew what that means, which is I'm looking at my

Track 2: other monitor, which means I'm scrubbing to that point.

Track 3: Hell yeah.

Track 1: Here's another thing that I like about the movie. not even the plot

Track 1: is that they built like the entire city

Track 1: that they use in the third movie they built like completely

Track 1: from scratch like the whole thing was built you know

Track 1: near a train track so they could have the train of

Track 1: course but like it's just i just like i i'm not even a western fan that's the

Track 1: thing i don't really like western movies but i like the idea of all like the

Track 1: little continuity things with you know he he's really good with a gun because

Track 1: he played video games and these just these little like little things i just

Track 1: like those little quirky i.

Track 3: Feel like once once he's in the west and doc shows up for me that's when the

Track 3: from that point on i feel like the movie's pretty enjoyable for me.

Track 1: Yeah i i agree the first part of it i think it's annoying it's.

Track 3: Really boring and it's just kind of it's yeah it's it's a rehash of things from the other movies.

Track 1: And they should have used leah thompson more yeah she's only in it for what

Track 1: the two scenes basically.

Track 2: My thing about the third movie is that it feels disconnected in a lot of ways to the first two.

Track 2: The second movie, whether you agree or not with why they go back in the first

Track 2: place, it is connected directly to the time machine.

Track 2: What is happening is tied to the time machine in a lot of ways.

Track 2: Whereas the third movie, it's not. it's just he's

Track 2: just gonna go there and it's like there's no real

Track 2: reason for it it just feels tacked on

Track 2: in a lot of ways it just they just kind of like yeah like we're gonna make a

Track 2: third movie and it just that's true it does not it feels disconnected from the

Track 2: other movies in so many ways especially the fact that the first two movies constantly

Track 2: reference each other and the third movie is just it's just there it's just the third movie yeah.

Track 3: I i don't disagree with that and And I do think it suffers from the fact that

Track 3: they shot them back to back.

Track 3: So they wrote them both at the same time and shot them back to back.

Track 3: I think it would have, I would have benefited from releasing the second movie

Track 3: and then waiting a couple of years to make the third one.

Track 1: I also think that if Crispin Glover had been in the second movie,

Track 1: because they wrote him out and they had to kill him basically to not be in it.

Track 1: If they had been in the second movie and had a better role, I bet he would have

Track 1: also been in the third one somehow.

Track 1: You know, I think there would have been like a better tie in to the other two

Track 1: movies, which doesn't exist because they don't have characters to use to build

Track 1: on it. There were no other characters.

Track 1: They had to have this sort of the love story as like a new thing,

Track 1: which I don't disagree with you, Bill. I still like it.

Track 2: I don't think like I listen, I have criticisms of it.

Track 2: I don't think it's a despite what I've said multiple times. I don't think it's a bad movie.

Track 2: I think there's aspects of it that aren't great and I think honestly I think the,

Track 2: thing that's the worst thing about the movie is that it is put with these,

Track 2: the other two movies and it simply does not, it fails to connect to those two movies.

Track 2: If they had continued the storyline in a different way and then,

Track 2: you know, like, and actually made them feel connected beyond simply the character

Track 2: lines, I think it would have been, you know, greatly improved by that.

Track 2: I really think the biggest issue is that it just feels so disconnected when

Track 2: the first two movies are so intimately connected in so many ways and this one's

Track 2: just there I mean I do think I think it's.

Track 4: A bad movie that is forced and then leads into like a mid-western and I'm not

Track 4: a western fan it was a very mid-western and like there's some good westerns

Track 4: out there there's some good westerns,

Track 4: I'm still suffering.

Track 3: Watching them but this.

Track 2: Parts of it's feel like there are the some of the jokes that are made in the

Track 2: first two movies and this is to your point like where they're like actually

Track 2: you know like like i don't want to call it a bad movie like i you know but like

Track 2: there are parts flashback.

Track 3: To the beginning of him being like this is just a bad.

Track 2: Movie the first two movies like there are jokes in

Track 2: the first two movies that work because they're

Track 2: like subtle like for instance in the

Track 2: second movie when they go back to 1955 and doc brown

Track 2: says to marty um when they

Track 2: go back again to 1935 he says to marty buy some

Track 2: clothes to fit in and he wears

Track 2: what he thinks fits in which like yes it is 1955 and he fits in but he fits

Track 2: in in a way that's still like he stands out like he's he fits in but as like

Track 2: a cool person like you know like he's got the hat that the leather jacket it, like, you know,

Track 2: and then the third one, it's like, oh, you're going to go back to,

Track 2: You know, 18, it's 18, but when is it fucking 1885, 1885, you're going to go back to 1885.

Track 3: Okay.

Track 2: Here's, here's the clothes you're going to wear now. And it's like,

Track 2: it's a ridiculous outfit.

Track 2: And it's like, that's like, it feels like a cliche. It feels like a joke and a gimmick.

Track 2: It doesn't feel like a, it doesn't feel subtle.

Track 2: It doesn't feel intelligent. It feels forced. It feels like,

Track 2: Hey, look at this silliness.

Track 4: I mean, it was fucking pink with atoms on it, for fuck's sake.

Track 3: I'm so glad you guys are pissed off about the outfit, because it pissed me off

Track 3: so bad. It made me not want to watch the movie.

Track 2: It really annoys me. I fucking hate this outfit. It annoys me.

Track 4: It was forced. It feels like a bad movie.

Track 1: But it's because Doc Brown bought them. He has no style. Do you see what he wears?

Track 1: I agree that it's a hideous outfit, but I think that part of the joke is that

Track 1: Doc Brown dresses him like you know like his dad dressed him.

Track 4: No i'm evan.

Track 3: No matter what you say.

Track 4: I'll i'll as somebody who

Track 4: is opposed to the man who undermined the libyan nuclear program i'll give him

Track 4: credit that he does have some forethought did you see like that sick ass briefcase

Track 4: with all the denominations of bills with from different time eras he has forethought

Track 4: and that's the fucking clothes he got you.

Track 2: Can't you can't say that you can't say that the man that like deliberately made

Track 2: sure he had denominations of money from every possible place didn't also go.

Track 4: Also invented time travel like also that guy also.

Track 2: Didn't go away this these clothing aren't like yeah.

Track 3: What do you say to that evan.

Track 2: Nothing.

Track 1: I mean, the good store was closed. That's what they had.

Track 2: The good store was closed. Evan, they have a time machine.

Track 1: There's no Amazon.

Track 2: They have a time machine. They have a time machine. They could have waited three

Track 2: weeks. They have a time machine.

Track 3: Yeah. They could have gone back to when the store was open.

Track 1: Well, but in this case, they rebuild the time machine. They only had one shot at it, presumably.

Track 2: My point is not even that they could use it. They could have literally just

Track 2: waited until the goods store was open and it wouldn't have made a difference

Track 2: because they have a time machine.

Track 2: This is a man that builds a time machine out of a steam train. Okay.

Track 1: Which is completely unexplained, by the way.

Track 2: Oh, it's actually explained in a comic.

Track 1: I meant in the movie.

Track 2: I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding.

Track 4: No.

Track 2: I'm not kidding. No.

Track 4: I'm surrounded by nerves.

Track 2: I only know this. I only know this because Jackie and I were like,

Track 2: what the fuck? How does this work?

Track 2: And because Jackie hates that train so much and,

Track 2: hates it.

Track 1: So you don't watch the you don't watch the cartoon where they just go on the train every.

Track 2: Only reason the only reason i know this is because we both

Track 2: hated that so much we had to look up how

Track 2: the fuck that worked and jackie looked it up trains terrible

Track 2: okay and apparently in a comic book this is i'm not making this up okay he used

Track 2: parts of the broken time machine the broken delorean that was in the mine plus

Track 2: the bits from the hoverboard which had enough power to create 1.21 gigawatts of power.

Track 2: Okay. And he also, I swear to God, made a time traveling tricycle,

Track 2: a steam powered time traveling site tricycle so that he could go back in time

Track 2: to get more or go forward in time. So he could get more parts.

Track 2: So he built that one, but two time machines.

Track 3: So what you're telling me is it completely adds up.

Track 2: And makes perfect sense one.

Track 1: Plus one is four check.

Track 2: So i.

Track 3: Kind of thought this out.

Track 2: Perfectly we literally looked this up and jackie's like it's in a comic book and i was like i.

Track 4: No longer hate the train.

Track 3: It makes sense now can imagine the person having to write that comic book and just like,

Track 3: like crying.

Track 2: Drunk like.

Track 3: I don't fucking know.

Track 2: What's it gonna make a tricycle fuck

Track 2: like seriously like like i'm like okay all right i can you can get me on board

Track 2: partially partially with the like he used the parts from the broken one and

Track 2: the hoverboard okay and then she's like also he built a time traveling tricycle

Track 2: so he could get more parts like i'm done no.

Track 3: Dumb as hell how's he getting that thing up to speed.

Track 2: I don't like the train i don't like the train.

Track 2: I do like the train when they use it to.

Track 1: Push the time machine that part's really.

Track 2: Cool and they built like.

Track 1: A massive model to just blow up and they only had one shot to do it.

Track 2: But I cannot get over the fact that Mary Steenberg and Christopher Lloyd have

Track 2: a 15 year time difference and the ages make no sense at all Christopher Lloyd

Track 2: is Doc Brown when he meets Clara he is anywhere from,

Track 2: 75 to 85 years old. That's the only way.

Track 3: Yeah, but people age really fast. Wait, but dude, dude.

Track 1: Dude, wait.

Track 3: He was 15, but she basically was 85. She was really mature for her age.

Track 4: She knew about science.

Track 2: Those are the only, like he is either, he was anywhere from 75 to 85 years old.

Track 2: And 75 is really pushing it.

Track 2: Like, you have to really give some, like, you've really got to give some, like, wiggle ring.

Track 1: So this was a libertarian universe.

Track 4: Got to be gracious with those numbers.

Track 2: Yeah. You got to really, yeah.

Track 4: Oh, so this is a bad movie. Who just brought up libertarians?

Track 2: It's not good.

Track 1: I just said it's a libertarian universe.

Track 2: It's not good.

Track 3: Yeah, certainly.

Track 2: It doesn't make, I don't feel comfortable with it at all.

Track 3: Yeah.

Track 1: They had two kids. The first time I ever noticed is I don't watch the third one that much. Oh, God.

Track 3: Oh, go ahead. What were you going to say? I was going to compare him to Al Pacino still having kids.

Track 2: Oh, God. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

Track 3: Yeah. Yeah.

Track 1: But he made them cute things like Jules and Vern. So, you know.

Track 2: Vern is a bad man.

Track 1: I agree. The thing that I noticed was when they are at the train tracks,

Track 1: there's a sign that calls it Clint Eastwood Gulch or whatever,

Track 1: which I thought was a nice little funny.

Track 3: Wow.

Track 1: Because Marty supposedly goes off the edge.

Track 3: So they put some thought into it.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 3: There were some thoughts.

Track 2: Yeah, there were thoughts. That's how they got to the tricycle.

Track 1: They definitely don't, they definitely paid attention to all the little details even if they weren't.

Track 2: Good deep there are aspects they didn't.

Track 4: Think if they should though.

Track 2: There are aspects of the third

Track 2: movie that i do enjoy i actually really love

Track 2: marty's costuming after they change

Track 2: i really love his costuming in the third

Track 2: movie a lot after he changes out of the ridiculous thing

Track 2: i actually really like that um and i really love sheamus mcfly i love his character

Track 2: he's a great character he is the person who everybody should fucking listen

Track 2: to he's just the one person who's like hey could you all just not be assholes Seamus.

Track 3: McFly is his dad right.

Track 2: It's his great great great grandfather yeah.

Track 1: Well it's because of him that he doesn't get into that accident right he's like

Track 1: dude you should stop being such a.

Track 2: Bitch and he's the best character he's the best character I.

Track 4: Get what you're saying caitlin in this film he's the closest older father figure to marty so much i'm.

Track 2: Sorry i didn't realize what i thought yeah i think yeah i think i get what you're.

Track 4: Saying and i also understand when you mean this is a bad movie unlike everyone.

Track 2: Around us it's good.

Track 3: To have support from one.

Track 2: Person caitlin i thought you

Track 2: meant literally his father and i was like no what are you talking about i.

Track 3: Honestly it's 9 30 here guys remember.

Track 2: I went to bed at 5 30 yesterday.

Track 3: My brain is having difficulties okay ward what time is it in california 7 25 really yeah.

Track 2: It's do you have a time machine.

Track 3: Is that how you.

Track 4: Made i got all the lights off.

Track 3: Wow daylight savings times.

Track 4: It's like dark early now.

Track 3: I don't know what I was saying you're saying in my head he's his dad okay he's like his.

Track 2: Dad he's.

Track 3: Like his dad.

Track 2: Yes mm-hmm,

Track 2: I like Seamus McFly, personally.

Track 3: I like Seamus as well.

Track 1: I do like all the little notes. In every future, there's like,

Track 1: well, I guess not in the third, in the second movie, but they go back in time

Track 1: and they see his relatives as babies.

Track 1: In the first one, too, I like when he's like, oh, get used to these bars,

Track 1: kid. You know, because this kid's going to dab on a gun.

Track 2: So fucked up.

Track 4: So fucked up. It's so funny.

Track 1: This movie also has, like, the best meme from this movie is the one with when

Track 1: he says like oh I've seen this one before.

Track 2: I've seen that it's a rerun that is a great line oh and young Elijah Woods in

Track 2: the second one oh yeah which I did not catch that's a baby's toy,

Track 2: I love oh I love future fashion as imagined by people yeah yeah they're just

Track 2: gonna wear um acrylic rings around their head everything's.

Track 4: Really reflective yeah.

Track 3: Yeah, everything's neon or reflective.

Track 2: Which is exactly what you would think of the 80s. That's how people in the 80s would imagine shit.

Track 3: Yes. Right. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, it's early 90s, but it can fly.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 1: Any final nuggets or comments from anyone?

Track 3: I'm doing really good because of this Dr. PP keeping me awake.

Track 3: Sponsored by Dr. PP, you guys. Sports betting and Dr. PP. Sports betting, Dr. PP. yeah.

Track 1: I think I need to make one of those like little fake commercials and throw this

Track 1: in the middle of like yeah.

Track 3: I don't think I have anything else I gave my one fact I laid my cards on the

Track 3: table speaking of Dr. P how about you guys.

Track 4: Did I say that the third one was bad okay.

Track 2: These are science fiction these are 80s and 90s classics uh everyone should

Track 2: watch them at least once uh science fiction classics with overall great lessons

Track 2: and themes other than the horrible racism against the indigenous people of america uh only.

Track 4: Watch the third one once.

Track 2: Yeah you don't need to watch the third one more than once um yeah uh but yeah

Track 2: uh one and two are two of my favorite movies of all time.

Track 1: Hell yeah same but You can watch part three a few times.

Track 4: Just the once is good. I'm pretty sure. Just to complete it,

Track 4: just to have the experience in the bag.

Track 4: Then you can revisit one and two as much as you want, because those movies fucking rip.

Track 2: They're awesome. You can just keep watching those.

Track 4: But third, boom.

Track 2: I am so glad that the mystery of the old man at the Watchtower has been solved.

Track 4: Yeah.

Track 3: I'm glad you brought it up. That was crazy.

Track 2: So excited to tell Jackie about it.