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Hi, I'm Justin Sunseri.

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I am a therapist, a coach, and the creator
of the Polyvagal Trauma Relief System.

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This is the second episode of my
shutdown experiences survey results,

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so if you haven't watched the one
right before this, I highly recommend

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you go watch that one first.

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This episode, I'm going to share more
of the survey results, like how far

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away safety feels from someone who's
in shutdown, how much time they spent

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in shutdown and the actual words of
the respondents who are in shutdown

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about what it's like to be in shutdown.

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So get ready to receive some
validation and normalization.

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You are not alone in your
shutdown experiences.

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Welcome to Stuck Not Broken, where I teach
you how to live with more calm, confidence

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and connection without psychobabble
or woo This is of course not therapy,

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nor is it intended to replace therapy.

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Okay, so shutdown is disconnection.

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We know that based on the last episode.

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That was made really, really clear, right?

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The general experience of shutdown
is disconnection from yourself, from

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the environment, and from others.

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Part of this disconnection
is numbness, like physical

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numbness, emotional numbness.

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Part of this disconnection could be
actual dissociation, being cut off from

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yourself, feeling like you're not in your
body, or feeling like reality isn't real.

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But both of these things have
to do with the safety state.

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If you don't have access to your
safety state, it results in defense.

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That could be flight, or fight,
or shutdown, or freeze, but you

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have to have access to your safety
state in order to feel connected.

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Shutdown is the furthest rung down
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furthest away from the safety state.

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So that begs the question, how far
away does safety feel from shutdown?

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There were five options to pick from.

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I'll read you the results of each one.

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The highest one at 42 percent is, "I
can't even see my safety state from here."

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This sounds like a significant amount
of shutdown, they can't even see it.

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The safety state seems completely
unreachable from this state, from

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this deep shutdown experience, I mean.

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They probably don't even know
how to access their safety state.

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That's pretty common for someone to
shut down, not to know how to feel or

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how to experience what's within them.

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And that includes their safety state.

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They don't know how to feel it.

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They don't don't know how to access it.

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The person who's feeling like their
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That person's probably in a
pretty hopeless, helpless,

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unmotivated kind of state.

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Sensory safety cues might be the most
accessible, uh, something that helps

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you to connect to the environment,
connecting to the self, recognizing your

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emotions, connecting to other people.

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That might be too much to ask.

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So using your senses in a lower
stimulation environment, that might

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be the most accessible way to, uh, to
feel some level of safety or some level

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of grounding to the present moment.

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I highly recommend reduced
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your passive safety cues.

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The second option is "I see
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there, but I don't know how."

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And this was about 12
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So this person has some level of
safety that they've touched upon

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in the past although and they
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It's just a pretty big challenge.

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So it might be best to focus on sensory
safety, but also memory and imagination.

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Imagination and memory functionally
are pretty much the same thing when

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it comes to anchoring and safety.

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But if you use the memory in
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focus on a specific aspect or specific
experience of safety from the past.

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So that might be an accessible way
to experience safety again today,

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even while existing in shutdown.

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Imagination plays a similar role, but
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with you, with your mind, obviously.

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The next option is, "I touch
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and then, but I lose it easily."

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And this is about 22 percent
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This sentiment is pretty common.

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I think that people who come to my courses
and community, but also to my content

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here on YouTube or here on my podcast,
They're kind of in this boat where they

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have an experience of safety and maybe
they can do something on purpose to feel

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that way, to feel more safety in their
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So like they know there's something
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towards and maybe even do things
that just sort of feel better,

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but they lose it really easily.

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So this is, I think this is a
common, not just in shutdown,

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but from any defensive state.

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But this indicates to me that
you're building self regulation.

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There's something that's going
right here as far as self regulation

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and your safety state and maybe
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The safety state is strengthening.

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So it's accessible, but it's hard to
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part of change and trauma recovery
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definitely start with or maybe solidify
passive safety cues in your environment,

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then mindfully utilize more active means.

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So that means set up your safety
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sort of generally feel better than not.

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But then actively do other
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It could be some meditation stuff
It could be using your senses.

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It could be movement based There's a lot
of options But actively do those things

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mindfully like really experience them
in your safety environment that might

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help get you to that next level The next
option is "I feel safety often But I'm

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still in shutdown often too" and this was
also at 22% And that's completely okay.

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Keep focusing on safety.

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And eventually that shutdown, the
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safety will turn into stillness.

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And stillness is the ability to,
to not move and be okay with it.

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Stillness, uh, results in
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It results in meditative practices.

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It results in being able to go to sleep.

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Stillness is.

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huge.

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We do it all the time.

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I'm being still right now in this
chair as I record this podcast.

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So shutdown eventually might turn
into stillness if you practice

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safety enough and really deepen
your anchoring in your safety state.

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But from that, that deep enough
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stillness could come mobilization.

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So if you can successfully immerse
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deeply connected to safety, then
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next step and climb up the polyvagal
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But you might notice some
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That's a really good sign.

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And again, stay anchored in
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mobilization to come as it does.

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And the last option with only one
person who selected it says "I have

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lots of access to my safety state.

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I experience shutdown as stillness."

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One person said this.

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Congratulations to that one person.

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Whatever you're doing, keep it up.

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The next question on the survey is
how long have you been in shutdown?

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So I'm a therapist.

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I'm a coach.

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I run my private trauma recovery
courses in community and I get messages

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from podcast listeners all the time.

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So I know how long people can exist
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So this isn't exactly a surprise to me,
but I know also that when people hear that

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they're, they've existed in a shutdown
state for a long time and that they're not

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alone, that they're, they're surprised.

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So these, these results might
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to be in a shutdown state, or
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for a very long time, even decades.

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Childhood, of course, always plays
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our, the way we were parented, our
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companions growing up, all these
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I know it sounds like a very therapy-
ish kind of thing to say, but it's true.

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Our nervous system adapts based
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based on the needs of survival.

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So if you needed to exist in a shutdown
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to get through the day, or to get through
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or your nervous system likely would
have developed in a more shutdown state.

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Alright, so let's take a look
at what the respondents said.

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At the highest was 24 percent of
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been in shutdown for 1 to 3 years.

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Four years ago, well, three to four
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forced isolation pretty much globally.

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I tend to think that the 24 percent of
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shut down for one to three years, it
probably has something to do with that.

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I imagine that if I had, in 2020,
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quarantines, the civil unrest, a very
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number of people in shutdown probably
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18 percent of respondents
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shutdown within the past year.

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3 percent of respondees, or two
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shutdown for 41 to 50 years.

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And 7 people, or 10%, said they'd
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Shutdown can exist for a long, long time.

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For the people who said that they've
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think about what were, what was the
attitudes about mental health back then?

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What was the attitude about mental health
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or seeking help uh, 50 years ago?

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What did their families teach them?

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What were they taught to recognize
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Were they taught to recognize and express
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them, or to repress them, to keep quiet
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whatever group that they're part of?

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One of my community members actually
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that to be a quote unquote, good
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yourself when you were young.

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Actually a couple of the women
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something very similar to that.

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Those results were at the low end and
the high end there was also stuff in the

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middle But I'll go into that a little
bit more coming up Okay, so that was

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how long has someone been in a dominant
shutdown state throughout their life?

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This next question is how long does
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When is shutdown dominant and there's
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When is a episode of
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Or how long does it last for?

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In the survey I used the language
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or more intense than usual."

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The most responses were less than a day.

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That was about 21%.

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This person's probably isolating, probably
not wanting to get a bed, having negative

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thoughts, maybe even thoughts about death,
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But the shutdowns definitely noticeable.

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At the lower end of the
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That was at 5%.

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14% said less than a week.

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20 percent said somewhere between
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1 to 2 months, and almost 12
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Really like a big range of
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So what could help an acute shutdown,
what could help to come out of it?

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Listen to what your body needs
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Based on last episode, we know
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needs lower stimulation and
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So doom scrolling is not going
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that's not going to help.

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Substances don't really help.

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Maybe you might feel less shut down
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help someone to come out of a shutdown.

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It doesn't really help someone
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It just sort of masks the problem.

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So if you can, mindfully experience
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of shutdown, which is very difficult.

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It's not easy to do that.

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It might be terrifying to think that.

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The priority is always
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If you can do that, then allow, that's
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If you can be in safety, then you
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emotions that come from a shutdown.

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So if you can do that, the intensity
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in safety, the intensity of those
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regulation out of shutdown might occur.

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So mindfully experiencing your
shutdown might mean that if you

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need to cry, you let yourself cry.

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And that might even mean a lot.

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Crying does not mean that you're weak.

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It does not mean that you're failing.

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It might just be part of the process.

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If you need to cry more the next day,
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A lot of times with people who do
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crying to do, they judge themselves.

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They call themselves weak.

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They say they're failing.

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They don't just accept that
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that it needs to be released.

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And crying oftentimes is that way.

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Regardless of all this, the
priority, again, must be safety.

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So I would focus on your underlying
practices of safety, identify what

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safety feels like for you, and then
identify what helps you get to safety,

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and then repeatedly practice that.

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I'll wrap this episode up with
some words from the people in

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shutdown that took my survey.

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They described their
experiences of shutdown.

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I tried to whittle this down to as few
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there's really so much great descriptive
words in here that I think that you

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need to hear if you're in shutdown.

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I think it helps to hear that you're
not alone and that other people

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experiencing experience something similar
to you and can maybe even validate it,

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normalize it and give you new language.

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So what I'll do is I'll take a bunch
of these and segment them into how long

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the people have existed in shutdown.

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Pretty much though, the rest of the
episode is going to be these descriptions

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of shutdown from the people in shutdown.

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They're not exactly easy to hear,
but I didn't feel like it was right

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to water it down or censor it.

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So, just kind of this is
your warning, I guess.

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There's no trauma
descriptions or anything.

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And one more thing.

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If you have some love to give, put
it in the comments on YouTube for all

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the people who shared something here.

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I have three from people who
said that they have been in

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shutdown within the past year.

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Cindy J says it's like
staring into the abyss.

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Jen says my body feels
heavy, gray, zombie like.

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Chris says everything feels too much
and too overwhelming, while at the same

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time there is huge amounts of apathy
and just not caring about anything.

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I want to run away and
have zero responsibility.

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I become all consumed with
thoughts about me and my suffering

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and nothing else matters.

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I have four responses from people
who said that they've been in

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shutdown from one to three years.

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Jillian says, exhausted like I'm filled
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Ken says, Nothing can be done.

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Not one thing will fix this.

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And I am correct in this.

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Except, time passes, and one morning,
one day, maybe I stick my neck out.

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Mel says, Devoid of hope,
nothing will ever change, feel

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completely stuck in the state.

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It feels like a force pulling you down,
and you no longer have the strength to

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fight it, so you just give in to it.

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Kelly says, Like a heavy wall is
blocking my view of reality, but I

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can't see past it and I can't move it.

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I have four more from the
four to ten years in shutdown.

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Charlotte says, I barely feel my
body at all, instead just feeling

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the need to crawl into a dark
and silent corner to disappear.

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Thoughts are tumbling over each
other, but in such a disconnected

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and foggy way that I can't grab them.

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Rosa says, There are varying degrees.

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Very intense shutdown feels
as if my body is very heavy.

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All I want to do is go to
bed and lie in the dark.

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My thoughts are quite dark and
hopeless, or I feel very unreal,

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as if I'm not really here.

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I daydream a lot, and this is my
most common coping mechanism when

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I'm in an intense state of shutdown.

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It's the only thing that stops me
from crying to disappear in my head

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into a fantasy story that I make up.

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Allie says Shutdown is like I've
sunken into the depths of the ocean

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Lizelle says like falling down
a big black bottomless hole, but

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it's not necessarily uncomfortable.

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The isolation warms the air around me.

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Darkness becomes my bodyguard.

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As bad as it is and it is really
bad Although I have never considered

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any form of suicide or self harm,
neither am I scared of death either.

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In short, shutdown to me is
a temporary form of death.

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I have three from the 11 to
20 years in shutdown group.

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Nico says it's a dark
cave with no way out.

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Lauren says I'm tired all the
time, yet can't manage to sleep

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at night at all, but somehow I can
sleep for hours during the day.

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I can't accomplish any of my
responsibilities, and I don't

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even want to think about them.

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I get overstimulated easily by everything
around me and have no appetite.

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I call my kind of shutdown doom spiraling.

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Laura says it's like trying to see
through fog to walk through quicksand.

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Everything takes concerted effort
and takes so much energy there is

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none left over for connecting with
others or even trying to find safety.

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I am constantly fighting the desperate
and all consuming drive to find somewhere

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dark to hide and shut down or sleep.

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I genuinely feel like when it's
at its most intense I will die if

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I do not isolate and switch off.

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I fight it but it's exhausting and
struggle to think positively but have

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faith in the impermanence of the state.

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I have three from the 21 to 30
years in the shutdown group.

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Terry says, Like being alone in a
dark well with no ladder to climb

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out and no one coming to save me.

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This is extreme and acute shutdown.

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On a day to day basis where I dip into
shutdown, it often feels like a nausea

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and sinking feeling in my stomach.

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Combined with fatigue, lack in
motivation and feelings of worthlessness

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or why am I even bothering?

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Hilda says, disconnected like
part of me has fallen asleep.

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Anne number three says, waiting to
die alone and knowing I deserve it.

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I have three more from the
31 to 40 years age group.

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Julie says, I feel so useless.

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I hate myself for what
I have been through.

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I wish I had never been born.

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Amy says, My shutdown feels like
an out of body experience and I

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become silent and unresponsive.

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I feel like I'm losing my identity and
uncertain of who I am and why I exist.

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Often times when in shutdown, I want to
sleep forever or hide under blankets.

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Mara says My life feels visually
muted like looking up through a

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tumultuous water after a huge wave
has clobbered you, disorienting.

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My life sounds tuned out, not just in
a peaceful sense, but more like Charlie

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Brown's teacher in the Snoopy shows.

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womp womp, where I can't make out meaning
or hear actual words in my environment.

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Tactilely, my body literally
loses its sense of pain.

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Sensations of extreme hot or cold
are numbed, and the natural hunger

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or thirst drive get turned off.

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from 41 to 50 years anonymous
number four says Dissociative.

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Blurry.

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Not really living.

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No energy.

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No drive.

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With fear as a normal state.

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Just want to get by.

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And then in the 50 plus
years I have three.

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Smoky moon says I lose myself.

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I collapse.

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I cry.

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I have no voice.

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Even though I think and feel a great deal.

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Mary says It's like waiting
for my life to happen.

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Wondering who I am then feeling
like time will run out before

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I answer those questions.

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Then I glimpse at the terror of
becoming real and go back to shutdown.

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The moments of shutdown are being inside
my own head where I am not even present

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and nothing around me touches me.

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It's empty and numb.

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I'm invisible to others.

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Everything is flat.

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No one wants me to come out, and
I wouldn't know how if I tried.

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And Joan says, Existing but not living.

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Thank you so much for those who
shared their experiences of shutdown.

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And for you, dear listener, I really
hope that gives you some new language,

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some validation, some normalization,
uh, for what you're going through.

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And again, if you have any love to
give or any words of comfort, please,

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uh, in the YouTube comments, if you're
watching this on YouTube, put them there.

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That'd be fantastic.

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And for everyone, I have a
shutdown playlist on YouTube that

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I'll link in the description.

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If you want to learn more about
this stuff, gain new language, and

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hopefully receive more validation
and normalization, uh, watch that.

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It might be, it might be useful.

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If you're ready to take the next steps
on your unstucking process though,

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um, I have something that I created
called the Total Access Membership.

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Within the Stuck Not Broken: Total
Access Membership there's a wonderful

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small private community of people who
are stuck somewhere and are working

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their way out of their stuck state.

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Could be shut down, it could be flight,
it could be fight, it could be freeze.

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There's a really good mix of people
there that are, that are wonderful.

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And in the Total Access
Membership, I also have courses.

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The first one is Polyvagal 101.

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The second one is Building Safety
Anchors, where I teach you how to live

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with more safety and calm in your system.

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And the third one is Unstucking
Defensive States, where I teach you

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how to directly feel, experience, and
relieve your stuck defensive state.

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So thank you so much for
listening to the podcast.

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I really hope to welcome you inside
of the Total Access membership.

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There'll be a link in the
description on how to learn more.

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Thank you so much for listening
to this fellow Stucknot.

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I really hope it's been a
helpful resource for you.

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Until next time.

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Bye.

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This podcast is not therapy,
not intended to be therapy or

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be a replacement for therapy.

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Nothing in this creates or indicates
a therapeutic relationship.

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Please consult with your therapist or
seek for one in your area if you are

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experiencing mental health symptoms.

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Nothing in this podcast should be
construed to be specific life advice.

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It is for educational and
entertainment purposes only.

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More resources are available in
the description of this episode

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and in the footer of justinlmft.

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com.