1 00:00:00,105 --> 00:00:03,325 Your nervous system doesn't just calm down on its own. 2 00:00:03,995 --> 00:00:08,635 More often than you realize, it borrows the calm from somebody else. 3 00:00:09,645 --> 00:00:14,945 In this episode, we cover co-regulation, the biological process that lets one 4 00:00:14,995 --> 00:00:18,225 calm nervous system help settle another. 5 00:00:19,005 --> 00:00:23,555 You'll learn about some specific cues your body sends and receives without 6 00:00:23,555 --> 00:00:24,915 you ever even thinking about it. 7 00:00:26,155 --> 00:00:29,415 Eye contact, tone of voice, the tilt of a head. 8 00:00:30,375 --> 00:00:34,795 We'll discuss what it means if you don't have a self-regulated person in every 9 00:00:34,795 --> 00:00:39,875 part of your life, and what actually happened biologically in the therapy room 10 00:00:39,885 --> 00:00:45,615 with Maria that I discussed last episode before her hands ever started moving. 11 00:00:46,795 --> 00:00:52,705 Hi, I'm Justin Sunseri, a therapist, self-regulation coach, and Polyvagal 12 00:00:52,845 --> 00:00:55,535 Institute editorial board member. 13 00:00:56,385 --> 00:01:03,275 You are listening to Stuck Not Broken Book one, Trauma and the Polyvagal Paradigm. 14 00:01:04,825 --> 00:01:07,165 A quick note before we continue. 15 00:01:07,165 --> 00:01:11,605 This is an audiobook, and it's meant to be heard in order. 16 00:01:12,165 --> 00:01:18,965 So, I highly recommend that you go back to the, uh, beginning of this series, uh, 17 00:01:18,995 --> 00:01:21,735 so that this one makes much more sense. 18 00:01:21,863 --> 00:01:27,243 and if you want to support the show or you'd rather read, this book and the 19 00:01:27,243 --> 00:01:32,393 next two in the series are available now in both digital and soft cover. 20 00:01:32,813 --> 00:01:34,813 I'll put a link in the description. 21 00:01:35,493 --> 00:01:40,133 And thank you ahead of time if you do choose to support the show financially. 22 00:01:40,313 --> 00:01:40,853 I appreciate it. 23 00:01:41,399 --> 00:01:48,509 Last time we covered self-regulation, top-down and bottom-up, doing the work 24 00:01:48,519 --> 00:01:50,669 of getting more calm into your system. 25 00:01:51,269 --> 00:01:54,399 This time, co-regulation, calming each other. 26 00:01:56,962 --> 00:01:57,832 Co-regulation 27 00:01:59,613 --> 00:02:04,763 We overtly teach self-regulation to our young through words in part. 28 00:02:05,703 --> 00:02:11,203 However, most self-regulation results from safe connections with safe others. 29 00:02:12,223 --> 00:02:16,253 When we connect with safe others, it fosters the development of 30 00:02:16,283 --> 00:02:19,173 myelinated ventral vagal pathways. 31 00:02:20,123 --> 00:02:25,923 In other words, connecting with safe others strengthens our safety state. 32 00:02:27,803 --> 00:02:31,743 This process is imperative for newborns since connecting with 33 00:02:31,743 --> 00:02:33,833 safe others is necessary to live. 34 00:02:35,043 --> 00:02:40,473 A baby depends entirely on caregivers for all of their physical needs, like feeding. 35 00:02:41,953 --> 00:02:45,863 The baby needs to receive soothing from its parent before it can feed 36 00:02:46,473 --> 00:02:48,673 because it's unable to self-regulate. 37 00:02:49,763 --> 00:02:52,463 Instead, it relies on co-regulation. 38 00:02:53,943 --> 00:02:58,713 But co-regulation isn't just limited to babies and parents. 39 00:03:00,223 --> 00:03:04,583 Co-regulation occurs between two mammalian organisms. 40 00:03:05,673 --> 00:03:08,513 At least one of them needs to be in its safety state. 41 00:03:09,643 --> 00:03:14,533 The one in its safety state can send safety cues to 42 00:03:14,533 --> 00:03:16,893 another dysregulated mammal. 43 00:03:17,823 --> 00:03:21,583 This will help the dysregulated mammal access its own safety state, 44 00:03:22,413 --> 00:03:25,573 thereby calming the dysregulation. 45 00:03:27,043 --> 00:03:29,993 That doesn't mean that the person exists in pure calm, it means it 46 00:03:29,993 --> 00:03:32,433 softens dysregulation, at least. 47 00:03:33,803 --> 00:03:39,333 Co-regulation is an unconscious biological process involving two or more individuals. 48 00:03:40,193 --> 00:03:43,053 It's received through unconscious cues of safety. 49 00:03:44,053 --> 00:03:47,293 It's a passive process, just like receiving cues of safety 50 00:03:47,303 --> 00:03:48,933 from the physical environment. 51 00:03:49,853 --> 00:03:55,313 Co-regulation helps mammals reach homeostasis, optimizing bodily resources. 52 00:03:56,323 --> 00:04:00,723 It's not just something that feels good, it is imperative for 53 00:04:00,723 --> 00:04:02,623 mammals to live a healthy life. 54 00:04:04,253 --> 00:04:09,303 An individual in their safety state can instinctively project safety 55 00:04:09,303 --> 00:04:11,613 cues, providing co-regulation. 56 00:04:13,293 --> 00:04:18,353 Through neuroception, a dysregulated individual unconsciously 57 00:04:18,353 --> 00:04:19,813 detects these cues of safety. 58 00:04:20,873 --> 00:04:23,063 These cues come in many forms: 59 00:04:23,583 --> 00:04:24,853 Gentle eye contact. 60 00:04:25,873 --> 00:04:28,703 Don't expect others to make eye contact with you. 61 00:04:29,063 --> 00:04:32,043 As they feel safe enough, they naturally will. 62 00:04:33,123 --> 00:04:34,133 Vocal prosody. 63 00:04:35,083 --> 00:04:39,673 When you have enough safety, your voice takes on a natural singsongy quality, 64 00:04:40,253 --> 00:04:47,013 basically the opposite of Ben Stein's flat "Bueller? Bueller?" Head tilt. 65 00:04:47,773 --> 00:04:52,633 Let your head tilt when you're curious or in a wonderful state of wonderment. 66 00:04:53,773 --> 00:04:54,393 Eye crinkles. 67 00:04:55,373 --> 00:04:57,733 The crinkles that form at the sides of your eyes when 68 00:04:57,733 --> 00:05:00,193 you smile or listen intently. 69 00:05:00,893 --> 00:05:04,363 Crow's feet are actually evidence of a lifetime of smiles. 70 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:05,870 Genuine smiles. 71 00:05:06,710 --> 00:05:11,320 When you genuinely smile, your upper cheeks move, forming those eye crinkles. 72 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:13,590 Facial affect. 73 00:05:14,210 --> 00:05:15,590 Your face shows your state. 74 00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:20,180 If you're safe, you'll smile, crinkle, squint, and your eyebrows 75 00:05:20,180 --> 00:05:21,220 will have a life of their own. 76 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:23,750 And safe touch. 77 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:28,350 Appropriate, welcome, gentle touch that comes with safety. 78 00:05:31,020 --> 00:05:33,070 Why co-regulation matters 79 00:05:34,627 --> 00:05:35,687 Humans are social. 80 00:05:36,197 --> 00:05:39,907 On a very biological level, we need each other. 81 00:05:40,627 --> 00:05:44,077 We don't develop self-regulation unless we have good enough 82 00:05:44,237 --> 00:05:48,727 co-regulation and attachment growing up, and continued opportunities 83 00:05:48,737 --> 00:05:50,567 for co-regulation even as we age. 84 00:05:51,457 --> 00:05:54,737 We do not do well as individuals in isolation. 85 00:05:56,417 --> 00:05:57,997 Yes, we are individuals. 86 00:05:58,857 --> 00:06:04,097 Yes, we can self-regulate and develop the capacity to do so more and more. 87 00:06:05,557 --> 00:06:07,037 But before that, we're social. 88 00:06:07,697 --> 00:06:11,617 We build on the foundations of our social connections. 89 00:06:12,797 --> 00:06:17,027 Those who struggle with self-regulation need others who are already 90 00:06:17,347 --> 00:06:20,817 self-regulated to provide safety cues. 91 00:06:22,667 --> 00:06:28,197 We must surround ourselves with people who can co-regulate: friends, 92 00:06:28,237 --> 00:06:31,107 partners, coworkers, and even pets. 93 00:06:32,567 --> 00:06:36,297 However, this is not always possible or easy. 94 00:06:37,387 --> 00:06:42,027 You may have safe people at home, but not at work or school. 95 00:06:42,827 --> 00:06:47,987 Or you may have safe people at work or school, but not at home, as was 96 00:06:48,887 --> 00:06:51,457 often the case with my student clients. 97 00:06:53,037 --> 00:06:58,527 Even if not everyone in your life is self-regulated, having one person 98 00:06:59,077 --> 00:07:01,867 is much better than no one or a pet. 99 00:07:02,937 --> 00:07:04,877 That might be a professional person even. 100 00:07:05,767 --> 00:07:10,417 Many of my student clients could identify one staff person as a co-regulator. 101 00:07:11,377 --> 00:07:13,957 It's not a solution to life's problems, but it's something. 102 00:07:15,047 --> 00:07:19,567 It might be enough to get them through their day, and maybe even provide 103 00:07:19,567 --> 00:07:22,297 a template for relationship safety. 104 00:07:23,607 --> 00:07:26,347 Therapy can often be that template. 105 00:07:28,177 --> 00:07:32,127 We may even get aspects of co-regulation from artificial sources. 106 00:07:33,087 --> 00:07:35,657 Not ideal, I know, but it's something. 107 00:07:37,047 --> 00:07:41,457 People often write to me and say my voice is a cue of safety here 108 00:07:41,457 --> 00:07:43,357 on the Stuck Not Broken podcast. 109 00:07:44,707 --> 00:07:47,687 A certain singer's voice may help bring you to safety. 110 00:07:48,517 --> 00:07:51,387 Or, a certain voice on a meditation track. 111 00:07:51,916 --> 00:07:56,366 Let's return to my example of Maria and her hands from the last episode 112 00:07:57,006 --> 00:08:00,816 to illustrate co-regulation and self-regulation working together. 113 00:08:01,956 --> 00:08:05,686 Before she consciously noticed her fight activation attempting to 114 00:08:05,696 --> 00:08:10,156 emerge from shutdown, she had already received co-regulation from me. 115 00:08:11,226 --> 00:08:15,786 I had already given her smiles, vocal prosody, and gentle eye contact. 116 00:08:16,906 --> 00:08:23,636 Those passive co-regulation safety cues laid a platform of safety, as did the safe 117 00:08:23,666 --> 00:08:25,976 environment itself of the therapy room. 118 00:08:27,376 --> 00:08:30,826 She neurocepted safety from me, which allowed her system 119 00:08:31,486 --> 00:08:33,326 to begin exiting shutdown. 120 00:08:34,946 --> 00:08:39,086 Her fight activation began to return, showing up in her hands. 121 00:08:39,976 --> 00:08:44,226 When prompted, she focused on the activation in her hands and 122 00:08:44,426 --> 00:08:49,546 self-regulation unfolded, resulting in polyvagal ladder climbing. 123 00:08:50,020 --> 00:08:54,700 The environmental and interpersonal cues provided the foundation 124 00:08:55,140 --> 00:08:57,060 for her self-regulation. 125 00:08:58,970 --> 00:09:05,180 That is co-regulation: the safety cues you send and receive without ever deciding to. 126 00:09:06,310 --> 00:09:08,730 It's not a replacement for self-regulation. 127 00:09:08,940 --> 00:09:11,070 It is the foundation underneath it. 128 00:09:12,290 --> 00:09:15,300 Next time, we'll talk about why humans stay stuck. 129 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:21,150 It will be part one of two, starting with Bill and the behavioral adaptations 130 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:25,870 that keep someone locked in a defensive state long after the danger is gone. 131 00:09:27,230 --> 00:09:30,210 If you want to take this chapter further, the written book has journal 132 00:09:30,210 --> 00:09:34,740 reflections for it, along with primary source quotes and no ads. 133 00:09:35,530 --> 00:09:39,330 It and the next two books are linked in the description if you 134 00:09:39,330 --> 00:09:40,620 would like to support this 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