1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,540 Lillian Malone: Welcome to Perspectives. 2 00:00:05,540 --> 00:00:08,350 Fasken's Legal Voices on Business. 3 00:00:11,540 --> 00:00:16,730 Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us for Fasken Perspectives, the Legal Voices on 4 00:00:16,730 --> 00:00:21,620 Business. My name is Lillian Malone and I'm an Associate and the Corporate Restructuring 5 00:00:21,620 --> 00:00:23,420 and Insolvency Practice. 6 00:00:23,450 --> 00:00:27,920 I'm joined today by two of my colleagues who will introduce themselves. 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,750 Roy Shah: Hello, everyone. I'm Roy Shah, a Senior Associate in the Dispute Resolution practice 8 00:00:32,750 --> 00:00:33,590 at Fasken. 9 00:00:33,710 --> 00:00:37,880 Mohammed Moti: Hello, everyone. My name is Mohammed Moti and Associate also in the Dispute Resolution 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,050 practice at Fasken. 11 00:00:39,140 --> 00:00:44,870 Lillian Malone: Today my colleagues and I would like to chat about recent case law that we find 12 00:00:44,870 --> 00:00:48,830 interesting, and this is virtual commissioning of affidavits. 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,840 Commission of affidavits is a process that has been around for the longest time. 14 00:00:54,020 --> 00:01:01,070 However, the onset of the Covid 19 pandemic has forced not only the world to function 15 00:01:01,070 --> 00:01:03,770 differently, but to find new ways of doing business. 16 00:01:04,610 --> 00:01:10,020 And as a result of this, the courts have also followed suit, ruling that the 17 00:01:10,020 --> 00:01:13,410 commissioning of affidavits can actually be done virtually. 18 00:01:13,530 --> 00:01:18,570 But before we get into what the courts have held and what they have said, I think we 19 00:01:18,570 --> 00:01:22,440 should start by unpacking what the rules that govern the commission of affidavits 20 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:27,900 really are. Mohammed, won't you please take us through what these rules are? 21 00:01:28,230 --> 00:01:31,500 Mohammed Moti: I think our point of departure is, of course, the legislation that governs the 22 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:35,640 administration of oaths, which is the justices of Peace and Commission of Oaths 23 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,390 Act. I'm not going to bore you with the specific sections, but it is important to 24 00:01:39,390 --> 00:01:42,780 note that there are sections and there is a regulation that applies to the manner in 25 00:01:42,780 --> 00:01:44,160 which an oath or affirmation is administered. 26 00:01:44,910 --> 00:01:46,830 So there are two important points here. 27 00:01:46,860 --> 00:01:50,850 Firstly, the Minister may make regulations prescribing the form and manner in which an 28 00:01:50,850 --> 00:01:52,410 oath or affirmation is administered. 29 00:01:52,410 --> 00:01:56,610 And secondly, the Minister decides who can become a commissioner of oaths by notice in 30 00:01:56,610 --> 00:02:00,930 the Gazette. What is important here is that the oath must be prescribed in the presence 31 00:02:00,930 --> 00:02:02,250 of the Commissioner of Oaths. 32 00:02:02,250 --> 00:02:06,750 Lillian Malone: Right? So physical presence when commissioning an affidavit remains a 33 00:02:06,750 --> 00:02:07,770 requirement? 34 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,180 Mohammed Moti: Yes. During the time when the Act was drafted and published into law, physical presence was 35 00:02:12,180 --> 00:02:16,800 required. A deponent had to repose and sign the declaration in the physical presence of 36 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:17,880 the Commissioner of Oaths. 37 00:02:17,910 --> 00:02:21,780 Of course, back in the day it would not have been envisioned that affidavits could be done 38 00:02:21,780 --> 00:02:26,140 virtually. With the rise of the digital age, virtual interaction has become the norm. 39 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,780 The lockdown made it almost impossible to commission affidavits physically and brought 40 00:02:30,780 --> 00:02:32,840 on the idea of virtual commissioning. 41 00:02:32,850 --> 00:02:36,540 The million dollar question is whether virtual commissioning of affidavits is 42 00:02:36,540 --> 00:02:38,250 legally acceptable or not. 43 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,860 Lillian Malone: Good question. Mohammed Roy, let me turn to you. 44 00:02:41,460 --> 00:02:47,130 How have the courts approached this requirement of physical presence when dealing 45 00:02:47,130 --> 00:02:48,960 with virtual commissioning? 46 00:02:49,050 --> 00:02:53,070 Roy Shah: As a start, I should mention that the formalities prescribed in the Act have been 47 00:02:53,070 --> 00:02:55,410 addressed as far back as in 1973. 48 00:02:55,410 --> 00:02:58,140 So it's not a new thing that we have to deal with. 49 00:02:58,350 --> 00:03:02,700 Like what Mohammed mentioned earlier, back in those days, one could never fathom that 50 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:07,110 virtual commissioning could be considered at all and whether physical presence was an 51 00:03:07,110 --> 00:03:11,920 issue. So the prescribed formalities, although somewhat different generally, we 52 00:03:12,030 --> 00:03:15,870 have already been dealt with by our courts as far back in 1973. 53 00:03:15,900 --> 00:03:20,340 We see this in the case of State versus Man, where the court had to consider not a 54 00:03:20,340 --> 00:03:25,050 question of physical presence per se, but the manner or chronological order the actual 55 00:03:25,050 --> 00:03:26,400 affidavit was deposed to. 56 00:03:26,430 --> 00:03:29,970 In that particular instance, an affidavit was signed by the deponent before a 57 00:03:29,970 --> 00:03:33,660 commissioner had administered the oath as required in terms of the regulations. 58 00:03:33,990 --> 00:03:40,080 Lillian Malone: Can we then draw similarities between this case of State versus Man and virtual 59 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:45,480 commissioning of an affidavit where the affidavit was signed not in the physical 60 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,460 presence of a commissioner. 61 00:03:47,820 --> 00:03:52,650 Roy Shah: In State versus Man, the court dealt with formalities, but not particularly within the 62 00:03:52,650 --> 00:03:54,540 whole prism of virtual commissioning. 63 00:03:54,540 --> 00:03:58,800 But of course when dealing with formalities, we're still looking at essentially the same 64 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:04,020 principles. So what the court did actually there was to see what the purpose is behind 65 00:04:04,020 --> 00:04:07,320 in terms of obtaining a deponent signature to an affidavit. 66 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:12,120 And it came to the conclusion that obviously the primary purpose to obtain that signature 67 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,800 is that it is proof that it's irrefutable evidence that the actual affidavit was sworn 68 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,540 to. The court went on to determine that compliance with regulations and Act provides 69 00:04:21,540 --> 00:04:25,080 basically a guarantee of acceptance in evidence of affidavits. 70 00:04:25,260 --> 00:04:29,220 Mohammed Moti: So if I understand you correctly, the court held that an affidavit will still be valid, 71 00:04:29,220 --> 00:04:33,060 provided there has been substantial compliance with the regulations of the Act. 72 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:34,350 Roy Shah: Yes, that's that's correct. 73 00:04:34,620 --> 00:04:39,060 So in essence, what we're looking at is more substance over form. 74 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:41,850 That's what basically it boils down to, substance over form. 75 00:04:41,850 --> 00:04:46,680 So simply put, if one were to actually depose and sign to an affidavit without 76 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,100 following the prescribed requirements, but is obviously fully aware and had the 77 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:53,970 intention to be bound by that affidavit, then of course, the courts will no doubt 78 00:04:53,970 --> 00:04:55,740 accept that affidavit in court. 79 00:04:55,740 --> 00:04:59,640 So the test of substantial compliance with the regulations and whether it can be proved 80 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,730 or not is not a matter of law, but actually a matter of fact. 81 00:05:02,730 --> 00:05:06,750 So it really comes down to that each circumstance of each case where the courts 82 00:05:06,750 --> 00:05:10,770 have a discretion on whether or not to receive or accept an affidavit but that has 83 00:05:10,770 --> 00:05:13,170 not complied with all of the prescribed requirements of the Act. 84 00:05:13,710 --> 00:05:17,760 So so now that we've dealt with just generally the formalities and how the courts 85 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,750 have actually approached substantial compliance, Lillian, how are the courts 86 00:05:21,750 --> 00:05:25,500 actually treating virtual commissioning South Africa during the present Covid 19 87 00:05:25,500 --> 00:05:26,280 pandemic? 88 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:33,060 Lillian Malone: Our courts recently dealt with this issue in Nuttall versus Shana, and this is where it 89 00:05:33,060 --> 00:05:39,480 had to decide whether virtual commissioning of a Covid 19 positive Deponent's affidavit 90 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,180 substantially complied with the Act. 91 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:49,500 In this case, the affidavit was emailed to the deponent by his attorney or her attorney 92 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:54,360 with instructions to read, initial and sign that affidavit before emailing it back to 93 00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:59,070 that attorney and thereafter the Commissioner of Oaths video called that 94 00:05:59,070 --> 00:06:01,560 deponent via WhatsApp and administered the oath. 95 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:08,280 So the court in this case then relied on authority of State versus Man, and it looked 96 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:14,170 at two issues. Firstly, that non-compliance with the regulations does not necessarily 97 00:06:14,170 --> 00:06:15,910 invalidate an affidavit. 98 00:06:15,910 --> 00:06:21,250 And the second part was that the regulations are only directory and not peremptory, 99 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:26,410 meaning that substantial compliance with formalities is all that is really required. 100 00:06:26,590 --> 00:06:32,470 It was therefore on that basis, as well as the steps taken in Nuttall versus Shana to 101 00:06:32,470 --> 00:06:37,990 commission that affidavit, that the court was satisfied that an affidavit could be 102 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:43,420 deposed to virtually where it was irrefutable that the affidavit was sworn to 103 00:06:43,420 --> 00:06:44,620 by that deponent. 104 00:06:44,620 --> 00:06:49,900 So now our courts accept that affidavits can actually be commissioned virtually. 105 00:06:49,900 --> 00:06:55,540 The question that remains, however, is whether there may be any unintended 106 00:06:55,540 --> 00:06:57,760 consequences arising from it. 107 00:06:57,790 --> 00:06:59,470 What do you think about that? 108 00:06:59,950 --> 00:07:04,270 Mohammed Moti: The obvious risks associated with allowing virtual commissioning or other substantive 109 00:07:04,270 --> 00:07:08,980 compliance with the regulation is that it is open to abuse and may open the floodgates to 110 00:07:09,010 --> 00:07:12,970 fraud. We've not even touched on or considered cases of duress or undue 111 00:07:12,970 --> 00:07:13,870 influence. 112 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,250 Roy Shah: My two cents is, of course that it is definitely convenient for a deponent to sign 113 00:07:18,250 --> 00:07:22,120 an affidavit virtually and not having to be physically present before a commission of 114 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,980 oath, which of course also comes with its limitations. 115 00:07:24,730 --> 00:07:29,350 Also bearing in mind that we are moving towards an increasingly digital era where 116 00:07:29,350 --> 00:07:33,240 technology is there to, of course, make our lives easier and a bit more efficient. 117 00:07:33,250 --> 00:07:35,020 However, there's no doubt in the concerns of abuse. 118 00:07:35,740 --> 00:07:40,000 And when considering such concerns from a Commissioner of Oaths perspective ensuring 119 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,410 compliance with regulations, it is important that commissioners do not expose themselves 120 00:07:44,410 --> 00:07:47,470 to unnecessary risks by commissioning affidavits virtually. 121 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:54,280 Lillian Malone: So as a wrap up to discussion, we've seen that yes, the regulations have requirements 122 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:55,360 of physical presence. 123 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:01,810 However, substance over form is important in that substantial compliance is required and 124 00:08:01,810 --> 00:08:05,440 in essence virtual commissioning is accepted by a court today. 125 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:10,810 We should, however, keep in mind that it should be the exception rather than the norm. 126 00:08:13,510 --> 00:08:17,290 On that note, Thank you, Muhammad and Roy, for an interesting discussion. 127 00:08:17,290 --> 00:08:22,000 And I look forward to further discussions with you on equally interesting topics. 128 00:08:22,420 --> 00:08:23,980 Roy Shah: Thanks, Lillian. Thanks, Mohammed. 129 00:08:24,010 --> 00:08:26,050 Mohammed Moti: Thanks, Roy. Thanks, Lillian. 130 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:26,980 Cheers, everyone.