1 00:00:12,030 --> 00:00:13,170 Sara Dong: Hi everyone. 2 00:00:13,230 --> 00:00:17,580 Welcome to Febrile, a cultured podcast about all things infectious disease. 3 00:00:17,790 --> 00:00:22,890 We use consult questions to dive into ID clinical reasoning, diagnostics, and anti-microbial management. 4 00:00:22,980 --> 00:00:26,230 I'm Sara, your host and a Med-Peds ID fellow. 5 00:00:26,349 --> 00:00:30,510 Here on Febrile, we use patient cases and consult questions to learn about high yield ID topics. 6 00:00:30,839 --> 00:00:32,809 Joining me as co-host today is Dr. 7 00:00:32,809 --> 00:00:34,040 Shilpa Vasishta. 8 00:00:34,220 --> 00:00:39,989 . She is a first-year ID fellow at the Icahn School of Medicine in Mount Sinai in New York with an interest in medical education. 9 00:00:40,769 --> 00:00:42,030 Shilpa Vasishta: Hi, excited to be here. 10 00:00:43,149 --> 00:00:44,980 Sara Dong: And our guests consultant today is Dr. 11 00:00:44,980 --> 00:00:45,929 Christina Coyle. 12 00:00:46,669 --> 00:00:53,359 Christina is a Infectious Disease physician and Professor of Medicine and Pathology at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine. 13 00:00:53,660 --> 00:01:00,849 She has practiced tropical medicine for over 25 years and oversees the largest tropical medicine clinic in the Bronx at Jacobi Medical Center. 14 00:01:01,169 --> 00:01:03,290 Christina Coyle: Hi, it's Christina Coyle, excited to be here. 15 00:01:03,739 --> 00:01:04,310 Sara Dong: Awesome. 16 00:01:04,789 --> 00:01:17,030 And, uh, before we start the case, we always ask this one nonmedical question and we call ourselves a cultured podcast and would love it if you'd be willing to share a piece of culture that brought you happiness or joy recently, 17 00:01:17,660 --> 00:01:18,410 Christina Coyle: I'll start. 18 00:01:18,470 --> 00:01:20,899 Um, so what brings me joy? 19 00:01:20,929 --> 00:01:24,350 I think, uh, for me, I'm passionate about ballet. 20 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:30,190 Most people know I'm obsessed with it and I've been dancing since I'm seven and I'm 60, so you can do the math. 21 00:01:30,550 --> 00:01:35,290 I certainly wouldn't call it dancing now, but I'm obsessed also with, uh, ballet performances. 22 00:01:35,290 --> 00:01:37,720 So it's a real passion of mine. 23 00:01:39,220 --> 00:01:39,520 Shilpa Vasishta: Dr. 24 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:40,690 Coyle, that is so awesome. 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,160 I too love ballet. 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:49,540 And what I was actually going to plug today is not specifically ballet, but a related art form that my son has taken interest in, which is tap dancing. 27 00:01:49,870 --> 00:02:01,780 Um, I say this kind of loosely because he's only 15 months old, but he loves the movie Happy Feet, which actually features spectacular tap dancing, um, from one of arguably the world's best tap dancers Savion Glover. 28 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,880 Um, and my son loves to imitate it. 29 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,230 And so I would highly recommend it for any family that loves dance and maybe has a one-year-old boy 30 00:02:08,660 --> 00:02:08,910 Sara Dong: Excellent! 31 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,270 Christina Coyle: The main thing here, Sara, is that dance equal joy! 32 00:02:13,780 --> 00:02:14,200 Sara Dong: Yes. 33 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:21,730 Um, well I love these little pieces of culture, but, um, so we'll jump into today's case. 34 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,070 The consult question is about worsening fevers. 35 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,440 Uh, so Shilpa, I'll hand it over to you. 36 00:02:27,610 --> 00:02:28,240 Shilpa Vasishta: Thank you. 37 00:02:28,519 --> 00:02:33,559 So we have today, a 38 year old female who's presenting to medical attention with fevers. 38 00:02:33,950 --> 00:02:38,779 Her symptoms began three days ago and are accompanied by headache and nausea. 39 00:02:39,259 --> 00:02:43,069 They have progressively worsened prompting her to present to the emergency department today. 40 00:02:43,219 --> 00:02:49,849 She denies any associated sore throat, rhinorrhea, cough, abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, or dysuria. 41 00:02:50,450 --> 00:02:55,939 Her past medical history includes prediabetes within hemoglobin A1C of 6.0. 42 00:02:56,329 --> 00:02:59,089 And for medications, she takes an oral contraceptive. 43 00:02:59,569 --> 00:03:08,989 The patient is originally from Brazil, moved to the U S at age 25, and she recalls being hospitalized once in her early twenties for a kidney infection. 44 00:03:09,589 --> 00:03:12,920 She currently lives in the Northeast with her husband and two pet cats. 45 00:03:13,489 --> 00:03:19,829 She works in technology and travels approximately twice yearly for work, last to Nigeria 10 days ago. 46 00:03:21,119 --> 00:03:26,755 On presentation, the patient is febrile to a maximum temperature of 103.5 degrees Fahrenheit. 47 00:03:26,814 --> 00:03:33,265 She's tachycardic to a heart rate of 130, she's normotensive and saturating 99% on room air. 48 00:03:34,225 --> 00:03:37,734 On exam, she is well-appearing with moist mucus membranes. 49 00:03:37,855 --> 00:03:41,545 She has no jaundice or scleral actress and her neck is supple. 50 00:03:42,144 --> 00:03:43,404 She is tachycardic. 51 00:03:43,825 --> 00:03:47,575 However respirations are non labored and lungs are clear to auscultation. 52 00:03:47,934 --> 00:03:49,524 Her abdomen is nontender. 53 00:03:49,825 --> 00:03:53,124 Liver and spleen are nonpalpable and she has no rashes. 54 00:03:53,424 --> 00:03:58,494 Neurologically she's alert and oriented times four with no deficits on initial lab work. 55 00:03:58,674 --> 00:04:03,504 She has a white blood cell count of three, a hemoglobin of 10 and platelets of 90. 56 00:04:03,984 --> 00:04:13,614 On chemistries she's hyponatremic to 128, has a metabolic acidosis with a bicarb of 16, and an elevated creatinine to 1.2. 57 00:04:14,335 --> 00:04:19,044 Her transaminases are elevated to the sixties and chest x-ray demonstrates clear lungs. 58 00:04:20,149 --> 00:04:22,520 What are your initial thoughts in hearing this case? 59 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,080 And what additional information would you like? 60 00:04:24,784 --> 00:04:25,294 Christina Coyle: Okay. 61 00:04:25,294 --> 00:04:36,185 So, um, we have a 38 year old, born in Brazil, but residing now in the states (USA) who now travels to Nigeria less than 10 days ago, who's complaining of a fever. 62 00:04:36,645 --> 00:04:48,484 She's also complaining of a headache and, her labs are significant, as you said, for a low white count, thrombocytopenia, a bicarb on the low-ish side, a chest x-ray that's negative. 63 00:04:48,484 --> 00:04:49,984 We don't hear a urine. 64 00:04:49,984 --> 00:05:01,895 So we'll talk about what else we'll want, but the minute you're called as a fellow for somebody with a fever, the first thing you want to know is obviously where they traveled to and how long they've been back from the region. 65 00:05:02,124 --> 00:05:06,145 Knowing the geographic area is critical to your assessment as an ID fellow. 66 00:05:06,174 --> 00:05:07,944 So that's the first thing you're going to do. 67 00:05:08,335 --> 00:05:10,585 I'm going to just tell you some tips and tricks. 68 00:05:10,585 --> 00:05:23,284 So if you don't know anything about the region, you can go to cdc.gov and travel and look up the region there, and it will give you everything that is in that region that's infectious. 69 00:05:23,364 --> 00:05:30,275 And you're thinking as the ID fellow when you get this phone call, is, what is life-threatening in this particular patient? 70 00:05:30,465 --> 00:05:32,224 What is treatable, right? 71 00:05:32,584 --> 00:05:33,905 And what's transmissible. 72 00:05:33,905 --> 00:05:35,294 Do I need to isolate this person? 73 00:05:35,344 --> 00:05:38,824 Those are the three questions that you asked yourself when you get this phone call. 74 00:05:39,275 --> 00:05:44,704 And then of course, we talked about the time that they came back from their trips. 75 00:05:44,704 --> 00:05:55,204 So we're looking at incubation, we're going to be focusing on the exposure history, uh, the time course, and of course the associated signs, signs, and symptoms. 76 00:05:55,564 --> 00:06:03,114 And so in terms of onset of fever from the trip, I kind of break it up into less than a month and greater than a month. 77 00:06:03,145 --> 00:06:10,585 And even with that, I kind of think less than two weeks because we know things like the flu have a short incubation. 78 00:06:10,585 --> 00:06:12,355 COVID has a short incubation. 79 00:06:12,625 --> 00:06:19,055 And then we know things like dengue, chikungunya, um, all have incubations of less than two weeks. 80 00:06:19,295 --> 00:06:25,025 So if the person's already greater than two weeks out, that's making those less likely. 81 00:06:25,055 --> 00:06:30,785 This person is within the two weeks, so the differential diagnosis gets very, very large, right? 82 00:06:30,965 --> 00:06:34,535 Once you go past two weeks, that becomes much less likely. 83 00:06:34,535 --> 00:06:37,205 And that's very helpful for you to think about. 84 00:06:37,565 --> 00:06:39,605 Once you're within a month, right? 85 00:06:39,605 --> 00:06:42,545 You're always thinking about falciparum malaria. 86 00:06:42,635 --> 00:06:44,705 So malaria one, two, and three. 87 00:06:44,795 --> 00:06:55,000 And then once you move outside of a month, you start thinking about things like hepatitis, schistosomiasis (because we're talking about Africa right now). 88 00:06:55,180 --> 00:06:58,780 So these are causes of fevers that are, are greater than a month. 89 00:06:59,139 --> 00:07:11,989 Um, and then I do want to add in there, we don't see P.vivax normally from West Africa because it needs the Duffy antigen to enter and it's tends to be lacking in west Africans. 90 00:07:11,989 --> 00:07:20,150 We can see from East Africa, um, and of course, most P.vivax in the United States in travelers is, is reported from Southeast Asia. 91 00:07:20,450 --> 00:07:27,619 But P.vivax, because of the hypnozoites or the liver stage can be a cause of late fever and malaria. 92 00:07:27,719 --> 00:07:31,590 The other thing you want to know is where the patient was born and you already told me that. 93 00:07:31,749 --> 00:07:37,529 Because that's going to tell you whether or not the patient has a likelihood of being exposed to certain diseases. 94 00:07:37,829 --> 00:07:42,239 And so we, um, also talked about the type of traveler people are. 95 00:07:42,509 --> 00:07:45,459 So I normally ask patients, why did you go? 96 00:07:45,679 --> 00:07:46,849 Did you go for fun? 97 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:51,039 Did you go for business or, are you visiting friends and family? 98 00:07:51,704 --> 00:07:57,734 There is a whole literature on visiting friends and family, and they are referred to as VFR. 99 00:07:58,224 --> 00:08:10,674 And so VFRs, are individuals that are returning home to their own country or a spouse's country or a parent's country, where there's a higher infectious disease risks than the country that they're currently residing in. 100 00:08:10,974 --> 00:08:16,344 And so when we look at these individuals, they are less likely to have had a pre-travel assessment. 101 00:08:16,919 --> 00:08:21,959 And they're more likely to come back home with a vaccine preventable illness. 102 00:08:22,229 --> 00:08:23,639 So this is really important. 103 00:08:23,639 --> 00:08:29,369 This individual's not a VFR, but as an ID specialist, that's something you want to really think about. 104 00:08:29,429 --> 00:08:37,199 And you also want to think about it when you're caring for individuals that are migrants, because they do tend to go back home and visit their friends and family. 105 00:08:37,719 --> 00:08:40,059 We talked a little bit about length of time in the country. 106 00:08:40,059 --> 00:08:42,549 So you want to know how long the person's been in the country. 107 00:08:42,549 --> 00:08:45,849 And obviously I ask for an itinerary. 108 00:08:45,969 --> 00:08:54,549 So if the person's a short-term traveler in one city, it's not a big deal, but once somebody's somewhere for awhile, I actually make them write out their itinerary for me. 109 00:08:54,549 --> 00:08:57,409 Travel history really takes quite a while. 110 00:08:57,439 --> 00:09:01,099 I ask everything you can think about, obviously. 111 00:09:01,909 --> 00:09:03,769 Sexual activity during the trip. 112 00:09:04,069 --> 00:09:07,099 Um, the stuff you normally think about mosquitoes, right? 113 00:09:07,479 --> 00:09:17,069 Exposure to animals, fresh water exposure, always in Africa, but really anywhere, but, uh, especially in Africa because of the risk of uh schisto. 114 00:09:17,290 --> 00:09:22,770 Then I also ask about whether or not they used repellent and whether or not they were good at it. 115 00:09:22,829 --> 00:09:25,650 It's not going to change whether or not I'm going to be worried about malaria. 116 00:09:25,650 --> 00:09:29,040 It also gives me an idea of what type of a traveler they are. 117 00:09:29,189 --> 00:09:35,189 I also ask if they use bed nets or if they use screens, uh, or if they stayed in a room with screens. 118 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:36,920 We always ask about food and water. 119 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:37,250 Right? 120 00:09:37,250 --> 00:09:38,480 We ask about bottled water. 121 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:40,430 Everyone says they use bottled water. 122 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:45,860 Um, and so before someone goes, we always say, boil it, cook it, peel it or forget it. 123 00:09:46,339 --> 00:09:49,880 The reality is that's really hard to do, uh, for an entire trip. 124 00:09:50,150 --> 00:10:02,240 And so, , the more you stray from that, the more you're at risk for foodborne illnesses, such as hepatitis, , and typhoid, especially in areas with poor sanitation, so if you're in more rural areas. 125 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,810 Your differential diagnosis, I put it in like almost three buckets. 126 00:10:06,839 --> 00:10:08,730 I do a geographicgeographic, right?. 127 00:10:08,730 --> 00:10:10,199 So that helps me hone down. 128 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:11,699 Exposures. 129 00:10:11,780 --> 00:10:16,100 And then the syndromic, and then I kind of put them together and I see where they intersect. 130 00:10:16,310 --> 00:10:22,800 This is what makes the returning traveler with fevers so much fun because it really is like being a detective. 131 00:10:22,830 --> 00:10:27,120 So you're putting all the puzzle pieces together and then I see where they intersect. 132 00:10:27,150 --> 00:10:34,290 And then of course I'm rating the thing that if I don't recognize it and treat it that evening, it could cause harm. 133 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:43,700 And so I'm doing a risk assessment also on what's the most likely, or what's the thing that that's going to, um, really harm this patient if I don't make the diagnosis. 134 00:10:44,420 --> 00:10:54,020 Sara Dong: And I'm guessing that some of your risk assessment tackles pre-travel considerations, are there any tools or suggestions you have for approaching that? 135 00:10:54,380 --> 00:10:55,925 Christina Coyle: I ask a lot about pre-travel. 136 00:10:56,075 --> 00:10:58,435 So I'll spend a few minutes here on a website. 137 00:10:58,435 --> 00:10:59,635 You can go to CDC. 138 00:10:59,905 --> 00:11:03,295 Um, many of you might have actually pre-travel programs. 139 00:11:03,295 --> 00:11:11,510 For those fellows that don't, there was a lovely website, and that is supported by CDCs Global TravEpiNet. 140 00:11:11,860 --> 00:11:12,890 It's called GTEN. 141 00:11:13,220 --> 00:11:16,210 And it's called, called "Heading Home Healthy.". 142 00:11:16,570 --> 00:11:31,990 It's actually a pre-travel, but if you're seeing the patient post travel, you can put the patient in there and you put in the age of this patient and you put that they went to Nigeria and, um, any allergies or whatever else they might have asked for pregnancy and some other things. 143 00:11:32,230 --> 00:11:34,690 So it's going to come up with vaccines. 144 00:11:34,870 --> 00:11:42,955 And so yellow fever is going to come up, but you're going to find out that you are going to need proof of vaccination to even get in to Nigeria. 145 00:11:43,105 --> 00:11:45,445 So she probably had yellow fever. 146 00:11:45,445 --> 00:11:50,725 You, of course, you're going to ask are typhoid comes up, but I'm going to tell you it's pretty uncommon in Africa. 147 00:11:51,055 --> 00:11:53,665 Meningo[coccus] comes up during the dry season. 148 00:11:53,665 --> 00:11:54,444 So that's important. 149 00:11:54,444 --> 00:11:55,314 She has a headache. 150 00:11:55,314 --> 00:11:57,385 You're not sure if she took the meningo vaccine. 151 00:11:57,735 --> 00:11:58,325 Hepatitis A. 152 00:11:58,344 --> 00:12:02,035 You want to know whether or not she's immune or whether or not she was vaccinated. 153 00:12:02,334 --> 00:12:02,975 Hepatitis B. 154 00:12:03,044 --> 00:12:03,884 . Flu vaccine. 155 00:12:03,884 --> 00:12:09,044 And obviously COVID vaccine right now is easy because you need to show it to, to fly. 156 00:12:09,374 --> 00:12:11,744 Um, but I added it on the list for completeness. 157 00:12:12,014 --> 00:12:19,964 Um, you should make sure they're up to date on their routine immunizations, just because measles outbreaks are very common, uh, throughout the world. 158 00:12:19,994 --> 00:12:23,714 And it's something we have to think about, and we don't see a lot of it anymore. 159 00:12:23,714 --> 00:12:30,044 And especially younger people who trained in the States normally have never even seen a case of measles. 160 00:12:30,044 --> 00:12:33,464 So it's really important for us to ask about vaccination. 161 00:12:33,764 --> 00:12:40,604 And then you can either, when you go on CDC or Heading Home Healthy, they will tell you about our outbreaks. 162 00:12:40,754 --> 00:12:47,534 And that's super important because you'll know, oh, wow, there's an outbreak of X going on in this particular region. 163 00:12:47,804 --> 00:12:54,824 And so they'll warn you and you'll know going in there, there's an Ebola outbreak wherever this patient has traveled or whatever it might be. 164 00:12:55,164 --> 00:13:01,294 For the most part, we're pretty good about knowing outbreaks as ID people, but it's always good to refresh ourselves. 165 00:13:01,624 --> 00:13:04,744 And of course the most important thing is malaria prophylaxis. 166 00:13:04,984 --> 00:13:10,054 Did this person have a pre-travel assessment and were they offered malaria prophylaxis? 167 00:13:10,054 --> 00:13:10,864 That's number one. 168 00:13:11,044 --> 00:13:14,164 And then number two, did they take their malaria prophylaxis? 169 00:13:14,344 --> 00:13:14,584 Right. 170 00:13:14,584 --> 00:13:16,744 So any breaks in malaria prophylaxis? 171 00:13:16,774 --> 00:13:22,044 First of all, it's not completely, you're not going to be a hundred percent effective with malaria prophylaxis. 172 00:13:22,044 --> 00:13:29,194 That's why we always tell people to use, uh, insect repellent et cetera, in addition to the, the prophylaxis. 173 00:13:29,554 --> 00:13:31,354 And a lot of people aren't always compliant. 174 00:13:31,384 --> 00:13:36,844 And if you think about something like doxycycline, for example, you miss one dose and you can break through. 175 00:13:37,094 --> 00:13:46,109 We will do a differential, but, you know, before we even walk in the room, despite what she tells us, we're going to be thinking malaria one, two, and three. 176 00:13:46,269 --> 00:13:50,979 No matter what she looks like, whether she's febrile, no matter we are going to be thinking malaria. 177 00:13:51,219 --> 00:13:57,759 Malaria is the most important cause of fever amongst those individuals traveling back from Africa. 178 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:09,319 90% of cases in the US um, are acquired in Sub-Saharan Africa, and the number of cases of malaria in the US have been increasing since 1970s. 179 00:14:09,349 --> 00:14:13,039 And so when you look at it, the majority of those cases are from West Africa. 180 00:14:13,429 --> 00:14:15,109 So you're going in with that mindset. 181 00:14:15,289 --> 00:14:21,799 I will tell you the most common reason for travel in those individuals is normally those individuals visiting friends and family. 182 00:14:21,799 --> 00:14:28,729 Your main thing that you're thinking about is I need to get malaria in, or out of the picture as ID fellow when you're on the phone. 183 00:14:28,729 --> 00:14:41,659 And the other thing I wanted to say to you, which I think is really important, not as that appropriate to this patient, is that many times, in up to 40% of cases, patients can present with other symptoms. 184 00:14:41,869 --> 00:14:46,339 So their GI symptoms, so they can have diarrhea predominating the picture. 185 00:14:46,609 --> 00:14:49,249 And the fever may not be what they complain about. 186 00:14:49,559 --> 00:14:52,839 And so you can get derailed and misdiagnosed. 187 00:14:53,049 --> 00:15:03,189 And so if you look, there's a couple of studies from the states, also one from my institution, uh, one in Canada that shows that there's a fair amount of misdiagnosis in these individuals. 188 00:15:03,459 --> 00:15:11,549 So again, lack of fever and having other symptoms besides headache and myalgias, you must rule out malaria. 189 00:15:11,579 --> 00:15:14,549 You just must, it has to be on your list. 190 00:15:15,119 --> 00:15:18,619 Sara Dong: So how do we approach these labs when we're getting this call as the ID fellow. 191 00:15:18,879 --> 00:15:21,219 Christina Coyle: This patient kind of checks the boxes. 192 00:15:21,219 --> 00:15:32,879 So we see a lot of malaria uh, the I'm in the Bronx and we have the largest numbers of malaria in the United States, up here in the, new York does, and then within New York, the Bronx and upper Manhattan. 193 00:15:33,219 --> 00:15:37,539 So I get called a fair amount for the returning traveler from West Africa. 194 00:15:37,929 --> 00:15:40,839 So once I I'm obviously thinking malaria, malaria. 195 00:15:40,839 --> 00:15:44,409 So what are the questions that I'm going to ask, I'm going to start? 196 00:15:44,409 --> 00:15:47,169 Or what are the things that are going to get me worried about this patient? 197 00:15:47,469 --> 00:15:52,599 So we normally see thrombocytopenia, it's rare to not see thrombocytopenia. 198 00:15:52,599 --> 00:15:56,229 There's sequestration in the spleen, spleen of platelets.. 199 00:15:56,529 --> 00:15:58,659 So we rarely don't see it. 200 00:15:58,659 --> 00:16:04,869 So if I see here someone's got a platelet count of 350, that actually makes it less likely that it's malaria. 201 00:16:04,869 --> 00:16:09,819 It doesn't mean it's not, I'm still gonna rule it out, but thrombocytopenia is normally the rule. 202 00:16:09,819 --> 00:16:13,229 It is not prognostic of how sick the patient is. 203 00:16:13,559 --> 00:16:18,329 The prognosis is really going to be on end organ and also parasitemia. 204 00:16:18,599 --> 00:16:19,019 Right. 205 00:16:19,229 --> 00:16:21,239 We can see any white count in malaria. 206 00:16:21,239 --> 00:16:22,679 We could see a low white count. 207 00:16:22,709 --> 00:16:25,369 We normally don't see high white count similarly. 208 00:16:25,389 --> 00:16:32,939 So if you start seeing a white count of 25, that's gonna make malaria either less likely or dual infection. 209 00:16:32,939 --> 00:16:35,819 The person might have a bacterial infection plus malaria. 210 00:16:35,979 --> 00:16:42,279 Also, we're a bit worried about that bicarb of 16, and that should be something that's a red flag for us. 211 00:16:42,279 --> 00:16:43,989 And the creatinine is slightly elevated. 212 00:16:44,049 --> 00:16:50,719 So these things are red flags when we get called on the phone phone, we also hear that she's from Brazil. 213 00:16:51,259 --> 00:16:53,989 So we're not sure if she's ever had malaria before. 214 00:16:53,989 --> 00:16:55,729 There is some malaria in Brazil. 215 00:16:55,999 --> 00:16:58,249 So, but it was years ago, right? 216 00:16:58,249 --> 00:17:01,549 She's a long-term long time out of Brazil. 217 00:17:01,789 --> 00:17:05,630 So we're assuming she's non-immune so that's also making us worried. 218 00:17:05,630 --> 00:17:11,900 So this is all my malaria brain going on, but I don't want to get too focused on malaria and missed other things. 219 00:17:11,900 --> 00:17:12,319 Right. 220 00:17:12,369 --> 00:17:16,659 So the other things you're going to ask for are going to be urine, right? 221 00:17:16,689 --> 00:17:22,329 I'm going to ask for obviously, um, a blood smear, I'm going to ask for an LDH. 222 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,159 I'm going to ask for a lactate. 223 00:17:24,339 --> 00:17:31,300 You already have a chest x-ray and I'm going to ask for blood cultures, but what ID person isn't going to ask for blood cultures. 224 00:17:31,659 --> 00:17:39,489 Um, so I think we'll stop there and hear what happened and then, based on this patient then start saying what's likely and what's not. 225 00:17:39,499 --> 00:17:40,100 Shilpa Vasishta: Yeah, sure. 226 00:17:40,159 --> 00:17:48,050 Um, so a little bit of additional history, patient reports staying in an urban area of Nigeria for two weeks during her most recent period of travel. 227 00:17:48,409 --> 00:17:57,510 She resided in a hotel where she ate most of her meals, uh, though did also eat food, including both cooked foods and fresh produce obtained from outdoor vendors. 228 00:17:57,780 --> 00:17:59,909 Uh, she drank exclusively bottled water. 229 00:18:00,449 --> 00:18:05,580 She did make one weekend trip during which she hiked in a wooded area and swam in a freshwater lake. 230 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:12,149 She does not recall any contact with animals though, does endorse mosquito bites despite use of mosquito netting. 231 00:18:12,490 --> 00:18:14,670 And she was not sexually active during her travel. 232 00:18:15,670 --> 00:18:23,420 She had a pre-travel consultation where she completed yellow fever vaccination, and was offered typhoid vaccination, but declined. 233 00:18:23,900 --> 00:18:26,960 She was otherwise noted to be up to date on routine immunizations. 234 00:18:27,380 --> 00:18:32,150 She was prescribed doxycycline, which she reports not taking consistently during her two weeks of travel. 235 00:18:32,330 --> 00:18:33,110 Christina Coyle: Okay, great. 236 00:18:33,410 --> 00:18:36,380 So let's go over the history that you just told me. 237 00:18:36,380 --> 00:18:37,520 So I'm on the phone now. 238 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,350 I'm still the ID fellow on the phone. 239 00:18:39,380 --> 00:18:41,930 And so she's, uh, she's a short-term traveler. 240 00:18:42,260 --> 00:18:43,910 She's been there for two weeks. 241 00:18:44,260 --> 00:18:48,199 she was in a hotel, but she did have some high risk behavior in terms of her eating. 242 00:18:48,219 --> 00:18:48,550 Right? 243 00:18:48,550 --> 00:18:52,629 So, um, she went to an outdoor, uh, food vendors. 244 00:18:52,629 --> 00:19:02,889 So we know that she's at risk for typhoid, hepatitis A, um, and, and other GI pathogens, although we don't hear a lot of GI complaints. 245 00:19:03,250 --> 00:19:06,894 She made a weekend trip where she hiked in a wooded area. 246 00:19:07,374 --> 00:19:08,814 So that would pique my interest. 247 00:19:08,814 --> 00:19:28,534 I'm going to talk to you about that, about tick-borne illnesses, but not as much in west Africa, more in South Africa, . Um, and then she swam in fresh water and I always ask my patient if they swim in fresh water, um, and any single body of fresh water in Sub-Saharan Africa should be considered to be, uh, infected with Schisto[somiasis] 248 00:19:28,664 --> 00:19:31,934 so they're at risk for being exposed to schisto and that's your rule. 249 00:19:31,995 --> 00:19:32,294 All right. 250 00:19:32,294 --> 00:19:33,644 You don't have to look that one up. 251 00:19:34,124 --> 00:19:41,454 Um, and of course we always worry about leptospirosis, and that's something that we can, we always have to think about as ID people, because we don't keep it on our list. 252 00:19:41,604 --> 00:19:42,474 We'll forget about it. 253 00:19:42,984 --> 00:19:50,004 Um, she doesn't really talk about contact with animals, so I don't have to go in that direction, but she endorsed a lot of mosquito bites. 254 00:19:50,004 --> 00:19:52,254 So malaria was big, big, big. 255 00:19:53,114 --> 00:19:57,854 Big big, big, um, she had a pre-con, uh, travel consultation. 256 00:19:57,884 --> 00:20:00,134 She got her yellow fever vaccination. 257 00:20:00,495 --> 00:20:05,425 Um, and, she wasn't compliant with her doxy or was she, I can't remember. 258 00:20:05,425 --> 00:20:07,074 Did she, did she take her anymore? 259 00:20:07,344 --> 00:20:11,004 Shilpa Vasishta: Uh, she was prescribed them, um, and reports not taking them. 260 00:20:11,465 --> 00:20:11,905 Christina Coyle: Okay. 261 00:20:12,235 --> 00:20:14,394 So that's important. 262 00:20:14,445 --> 00:20:19,665 For this, we talked about risk factors, so we just went over some of her risk factors. 263 00:20:20,115 --> 00:20:23,685 And so this is where we now did geographic. 264 00:20:24,564 --> 00:20:30,624 And we took her risk factors and we talked about the things within west Africa that might cause fever. 265 00:20:30,924 --> 00:20:34,524 And now we then might think about syndromic. 266 00:20:34,884 --> 00:20:42,504 And so for this patient, although she's got a headache, I would really put her into an undifferentiated fever. 267 00:20:42,794 --> 00:20:46,864 And then I break it into malarial versus non malarial. 268 00:20:47,144 --> 00:20:49,455 Um, and that's how I would approach her. 269 00:20:49,764 --> 00:20:58,495 So the first thing we're going to do is rule out malaria, uh, but other things to consider as we're walking down to see her and get all her bloods. 270 00:21:00,430 --> 00:21:09,899 Uh, when we think about an undifferentiated fever, we have to be really careful about not, not only thinking about tropical diseases. 271 00:21:10,199 --> 00:21:12,419 So we need to think about UTI. 272 00:21:12,749 --> 00:21:14,699 We need to think about respiratory infection. 273 00:21:14,709 --> 00:21:17,129 She's got a negative chest x-ray so that's really unlikely. 274 00:21:17,179 --> 00:21:18,649 We talked about influenza. 275 00:21:18,679 --> 00:21:28,429 We talk about COVID she's not sexually active, but we always need to think about STDs, including acute HIV with an, an undifferentiated fever. 276 00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:42,019 Um, and then it puts us into our tropical dengue, rickettsial infections, leptospirosis, and she's got a lot of risk factors that you went over that put her at risk for these illnesses. 277 00:21:42,319 --> 00:21:45,709 Um, and then, a rash always changes things. 278 00:21:45,949 --> 00:21:52,214 A rash puts us into dengue, chik[ungunya] again, acute HIV, measles, and then acute schisto[somiasis]. 279 00:21:52,264 --> 00:21:56,424 Um, and then within the rash, I always look for a eschar. 280 00:21:56,734 --> 00:21:59,494 The patient has to take their clothes off. 281 00:21:59,914 --> 00:22:09,004 Um, because a lot of times it's normally at the bite of the, in terms of Africa, the bite of the tick, in terms of uh Asia, it's a chigger. 282 00:22:09,484 --> 00:22:17,644 Um, and so, you know, sometimes it's behind the knee, it's, uh, in places that if you're not really looking at the patient wholly, you might miss. 283 00:22:17,644 --> 00:22:26,104 So I'm always looking for eschars, regional adenopathy, um, because a lot of times with rickettsial illnesses, the patient will only complain a fever and headache. 284 00:22:26,404 --> 00:22:28,664 And if you're not looking, you'll miss an eschar. 285 00:22:29,334 --> 00:22:33,714 . So then, you know, there's other syndromes in this patient right now, doesn't meet them. 286 00:22:33,954 --> 00:22:35,874 So fever with jaundice. 287 00:22:35,904 --> 00:22:40,344 So if I see that, I start thinking severe malaria, hemorrhagic, fevers, et cetera. 288 00:22:40,674 --> 00:22:42,294 Fever with GI complaints. 289 00:22:42,474 --> 00:22:49,104 And so we can supply you with a nice list of syndromic approach to fever and the traveler. 290 00:22:49,564 --> 00:22:53,764 I just wanted to spend a few minutes on each thing to think about. 291 00:22:53,764 --> 00:22:54,364 So dengue. 292 00:22:54,434 --> 00:23:03,989 After malaria, the most common when we look at Geo Sentinel, which is a worldwide surveillance site, um, and, uh, supported by CDC. 293 00:23:04,169 --> 00:23:09,539 The most common cause of fever on the traveler after malaria is dengue. 294 00:23:09,849 --> 00:23:16,779 Dengue is transmitted by, um, Aedes aegypti or albopictus and, um, it's worldwide. 295 00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:18,879 And it's found in Africa. 296 00:23:19,329 --> 00:23:30,219 And the classic that you think about and that we see at my institution, is fever obviously, by a severe headache and patients classically tell you that it's retro orbital. 297 00:23:30,219 --> 00:23:31,989 They really do tell you that. 298 00:23:32,199 --> 00:23:40,719 So I actually asked them that, or a lot of times they'll supply that history and they'll have severe myalgias and arthralgias giving it the name breakbone fever. 299 00:23:42,064 --> 00:23:54,224 The fever lasts about five to seven days and the rash is pretty, um, if you've ever seen it, it's a macular eruption and basically it's erythematous with small areas of normal skin. 300 00:23:54,494 --> 00:24:01,034 So on a person with white skin or light skin, it's called islands of white in a sea of red. 301 00:24:01,184 --> 00:24:04,004 This is harder to see in darker skinned individuals. 302 00:24:04,274 --> 00:24:12,734 And that's why it's very important as an ID person to make sure that when you're looking at skin rashes, you look at rashes on people of all skin colors. 303 00:24:12,734 --> 00:24:17,964 It's really important for us to recognize different rashes on different, uh, different skin colors. 304 00:24:18,324 --> 00:24:24,474 Um, but that's the classic way that it's described, and the more important thing is that there's areas of sparing to the erythema. 305 00:24:25,879 --> 00:24:28,129 And it's got a very short incubation. 306 00:24:28,529 --> 00:24:37,819 I use 14 days as your cutoff when I first started this talk, but it can be five to 10 days so people can get ill during travel and might not even be reported. 307 00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:47,149 Um, and risk factors are obviously everything that this patient has and leukopenia and thrombocytopenia like this patient are characteristic. 308 00:24:47,399 --> 00:24:51,179 When you, you look at dengue, it's most common to be reported from Asia. 309 00:24:51,540 --> 00:24:54,370 It is reported from Africa, but not commonly. 310 00:24:54,649 --> 00:24:59,570 I'll tell you in my experience, I've definitely, um, diagnosed people with dengue from, um, Africa. 311 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,070 It is on my differential. 312 00:25:01,399 --> 00:25:07,040 For this patient, I would probably rule out malaria first, before I even sent a dengue serology, me personally. 313 00:25:07,379 --> 00:25:13,649 , but when you're talking about getting bit by mosquitoes and there's Aedes aegypti and albopictus in Africa. 314 00:25:13,649 --> 00:25:16,529 So you have to think about chikungunya and Zika. 315 00:25:16,659 --> 00:25:22,580 Chikungunya has a short incubation and here arthralgias are the prominent symptoms 316 00:25:22,580 --> 00:25:25,360 . 70% of patients are going to complain of arthralgia. 317 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:30,710 And if you've ever seen somebody with chikungunya, which means bent over, they really are bent over. 318 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,460 This patient has no rheumatologic symptoms. 319 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,600 I don't think I would even send a chikungunya serology. 320 00:25:36,850 --> 00:25:42,430 , Skin manifestations are also reported in chikungunyah, but we don't share that in this patient. 321 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,020 I'm going to spend two seconds on Zika. 322 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,610 You can look it up and see where Zika outbreaks are occurring. 323 00:25:48,940 --> 00:25:53,790 Again, it's transmitted by the same mosquitoes as dengue and chikungunya. 324 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:58,080 The illness tends to be mild and even asymptomatic in many individuals. 325 00:25:58,350 --> 00:26:02,220 And here there's a pruritic rash and patients can have arthritis, 326 00:26:02,895 --> 00:26:04,365 and conjunctivitis. 327 00:26:04,695 --> 00:26:14,024 Um, and so headaches and orbital pain are also reported, but there's no outbreak currently going on in Nigeria and we hear nothing really to support Zika. 328 00:26:14,024 --> 00:26:16,004 So I would think that would be unlikely. 329 00:26:16,544 --> 00:26:21,995 Let's spend some time on typhoid fever cause this individual ate off of roadside stands. 330 00:26:22,324 --> 00:26:27,234 And so for me, we're going to do blood cultures and that's how we'll establish a diagnosis. 331 00:26:27,474 --> 00:26:29,814 But for me, this wouldn't be high on my differential. 332 00:26:29,904 --> 00:26:36,614 Definitely doing the blood cultures, but normally in, patients present, they've normally traveled to Southeast Asia. 333 00:26:36,884 --> 00:26:40,304 They've normally had prolonged fever for greater than seven days. 334 00:26:40,544 --> 00:26:43,294 They normally have chills, but they're not having rigors. 335 00:26:43,424 --> 00:26:54,139 So they tend to come in a little bit later . And, um, it's, caused by Salmonella enterica serotype typhi or para typhi. 336 00:26:54,439 --> 00:26:57,649 Um, incubation can be up to three weeks, early as five days. 337 00:26:57,879 --> 00:27:11,649 So about 80% of cases in the United States, , diagnosed with, , typhoid, uh, individuals diagnosed with typhoid have traveled to Southeast Asia and the majority of individuals present with abdominal pain, fevers, and chills. 338 00:27:11,949 --> 00:27:17,919 There is a rash, it's very hard to see, it's a salmon colored macules, rose spots. 339 00:27:18,309 --> 00:27:21,639 Um, and I really check my patients carefully. 340 00:27:21,639 --> 00:27:27,009 For the majority of patients in our institution are normally from, um, Bangladesh. 341 00:27:27,159 --> 00:27:32,499 So I really really check and we see it mostly in children that haven't gotten vaccinated before they've left. 342 00:27:32,779 --> 00:27:33,949 So there's, there's some clues. 343 00:27:34,069 --> 00:27:45,529 So this makes, um, typhoid fever a little bit less likely, it's an acute fever, um, that's number one, if the patients from Africa, so that makes it a little bit less likely, although she does have risk factors. 344 00:27:45,529 --> 00:27:48,109 So it's still on the list still in the running. 345 00:27:48,349 --> 00:27:51,979 Let's spend two seconds on rickettsia because it comes up on the list. 346 00:27:52,249 --> 00:27:59,759 So I think for Africa, you need to know about, um, African tick typhus, which is caused by Rickettsia africae. 347 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,709 It is most common in South Africa. 348 00:28:02,739 --> 00:28:08,904 It's really not well described in west Africa, but I do think you need to know about it. 349 00:28:08,954 --> 00:28:15,014 the vector is an, a tick, an Amblyomma species and it's a tick of large ruminants and wildlife. 350 00:28:15,044 --> 00:28:17,354 And it's a very aggressive feeder on humans. 351 00:28:17,354 --> 00:28:18,494 And that's important. 352 00:28:18,794 --> 00:28:23,864 At the site of inoculation, you can get an escahar and you can have regional lymphadnopothy. 353 00:28:24,104 --> 00:28:29,134 Although the patient can actually present with just really headache and fever. 354 00:28:29,404 --> 00:28:31,864 And if you don't look, you'll miss the eschar. 355 00:28:32,134 --> 00:28:37,894 And as I said, you know, many times patients have a number of eschars if you look closely. 356 00:28:38,284 --> 00:28:43,774 Um, and it's normally in people who have been camping, hiking, such as this patient traveling. 357 00:28:43,774 --> 00:28:49,264 It's very common or in safari or in grassy areas, walking in grassy areas. 358 00:28:49,564 --> 00:28:54,274 Again, because they're from west Africa, it makes it less likely. 359 00:28:54,514 --> 00:28:55,324 Lab wise, 360 00:28:55,354 --> 00:28:59,254 they have leukopenia and thrombocytopenia, a low bicarb would. 361 00:28:59,254 --> 00:29:00,184 Go against it. 362 00:29:00,214 --> 00:29:00,484 Right? 363 00:29:00,484 --> 00:29:04,545 You don't look systemically ill, you respond promptly to doxycycline. 364 00:29:04,615 --> 00:29:08,755 You make the diagnosis, you establish it by clinical picture and serology. 365 00:29:08,875 --> 00:29:13,675 So normally we just treat presumptively and they really respond quite rapidly. 366 00:29:14,165 --> 00:29:22,715 Rickettsia conorii or Mediterranean tick typhus, although it's circulating, it's not a common cause of rickettsial diseases in Africa. 367 00:29:22,715 --> 00:29:29,555 So the one that I would know as a, as a fellow would be, um, African tick typhus or Rickettsia africae. 368 00:29:29,675 --> 00:29:30,095 Okay. 369 00:29:30,155 --> 00:29:31,415 So it's really important. 370 00:29:31,445 --> 00:29:33,185 The epi here doesn't support it. 371 00:29:33,395 --> 00:29:40,385 We heard that the patient is not sexually active, but do not forget to ask about a sexual history or blood exposures. 372 00:29:40,625 --> 00:29:49,915 So things like, um, uh, basically body piercing, people get tattoos, people have accidents and they sometimes don't tell you about it. 373 00:29:49,915 --> 00:29:55,405 Minor accidents where somebody actually stitches them, uh, in rural areas with needles. 374 00:29:55,405 --> 00:30:00,595 And you don't know if the needle has been cleaned, so you really need to dig down a bloodborne exposures. 375 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,490 And obviously I don't need to tell this audience about acute HIV and how it can present. 376 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,200 Um, and so then we heard about freshwater, so let's talk about leptospirosis. 377 00:30:11,410 --> 00:30:16,240 And so there's lots of emerging data on people that do go rafting or kayaking. 378 00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:18,280 And coming back with leptospirosis. 379 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,270 So we as ID people need to keep it on our radar. 380 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,830 The incubation is two to 26 days, but it's an average of 10 days. 381 00:30:26,830 --> 00:30:29,200 So this patient, um, is within that. 382 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,180 Although I don't know when they were in fresh water. 383 00:30:31,450 --> 00:30:38,680 The clinical course is variable, but early on, patients can come in with fever, rigors, myalgias, and headaches. 384 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:45,990 A lot like this patient and conjunctival suffusion is characteristic, but often overlooked. 385 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,220 I need to talk about acute schisto because we don't talk about it enough. 386 00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:53,220 It occurs four to eight weeks after exposure. 387 00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:57,110 So this would be on the very early side, if it was just schistosomiasis. 388 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:02,970 And I think it's too early for acute schisto because if you do the math, she's back 10 days. 389 00:31:02,970 --> 00:31:04,650 So she'd be right on the cusp. 390 00:31:04,980 --> 00:31:05,910 It's important. 391 00:31:05,910 --> 00:31:11,160 It's a cause of a fever and normally individuals complain of a rash. 392 00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:18,300 Now, not everybody is symptomatic, but those individuals with fever, commonly have urticaria. 393 00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:21,150 And they normally have profound eosinophilia. 394 00:31:21,390 --> 00:31:23,970 So they can have non-specific symptoms. 395 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:30,900 Two thirds of individual will actually have a cough and they'll have an abnormal chest x-ray, which will be reticulonodular. 396 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:49,080 And so it's really important for you to think about this in your patients that return with eosinophilia and a fever . So, um, that's acute schisto and the one thing I want to say to you about schisto is eggs normally are only present in 25% of individuals in the urine or stool depending on the species. 397 00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:57,990 And so the way we make that diagnosis is basically clinical and we treat presumptively while we're waiting for the serology to come back. 398 00:31:58,350 --> 00:32:14,730 Um, by the way CDC recommends anybody that's been in freshwater in Sub-Saharan Africa should be screened for schisto because not everybody is symptomatic and you can have a wayward pair of worms that find their way into Batson's plexus and shoot eggs off into your spine and your brain. 399 00:32:14,970 --> 00:32:22,350 So even though you're not going to get hepatosplenic disease or hematuria , it's really more about, um, those complications. 400 00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:24,030 So that's just an FYI. 401 00:32:24,420 --> 00:32:27,720 Um, and then of course, fever associated with hemorrhage. 402 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,220 You're going to look up and see whether or not there are any of the hemorrhagic fever. 403 00:32:32,730 --> 00:32:48,170 If there's outbreaks, in Nigeria and you're always going to keep, you're going to keep them on your list, because again, we talked about the fact that that's a public health issue, and so these patients may need to be isolated and anybody that cares for them, um, may need to be protected. 404 00:32:48,170 --> 00:32:51,260 And so that's an important thing to always keep on our list. 405 00:32:51,690 --> 00:32:56,910 So what would I do next blood cultures, a UA, a flu swab or respiratory panel? 406 00:32:57,330 --> 00:32:59,460 COVID I might repeat it. 407 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,700 HIV tests, we talked about, , pregnancy tests. 408 00:33:03,010 --> 00:33:04,030 , why would I do that? 409 00:33:04,030 --> 00:33:11,200 Because I'd be worried about malaria and those individuals that are pregnant are more likely to have severe malaria and it changes the way I approach them. 410 00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:18,340 And then of course I would do a peripheral blood smear and I would do, um, a rapid diagnostic test for malaria. 411 00:33:19,395 --> 00:33:25,825 And remember your rapid diagnostic is great for falciparum, but not as great for the other malaria. 412 00:33:26,035 --> 00:33:34,055 And the most other important thing is it may miss low parasitemias and, and you don't get a percentage parasitemia. 413 00:33:34,375 --> 00:33:37,795 So there are only good to say, yeah, this patient's got malaria. 414 00:33:38,065 --> 00:33:42,115 And so that's important because the patient has a low bicarb is not immune. 415 00:33:42,115 --> 00:33:44,455 You might jump on this patient a little bit differently. 416 00:33:44,815 --> 00:33:47,655 Um, I'd ask for an LDH, a lactate. 417 00:33:47,675 --> 00:33:49,375 I'd make sure I got a bilirubin. 418 00:33:49,675 --> 00:33:52,385 Would I get the serologies, dengue?? 419 00:33:53,035 --> 00:33:58,645 I probably wouldn't, me personally, I would probably rule out my malaria, get the blood cultures that night. 420 00:33:58,835 --> 00:34:01,145 So I can get a malaria smear pretty quickly. 421 00:34:01,385 --> 00:34:04,375 And I, am actually very good at reading smears myself. 422 00:34:04,375 --> 00:34:10,825 So of course, when we see a patient we're seeing a smear within the next 15 minutes, not everybody has access to that. 423 00:34:11,065 --> 00:34:15,995 So a lot of times patients with headaches, you have to worry about, CNS infections. 424 00:34:15,995 --> 00:34:18,575 And sometimes people get CT scans and LPs. 425 00:34:18,575 --> 00:34:20,855 And I think that depends on how the patient looks. 426 00:34:20,905 --> 00:34:21,415 Shilpa Vasishta: Great. 427 00:34:22,165 --> 00:34:32,515 Um, so we do obtain some further workup, um, and admission urinalysis and urine pregnancy tests are negative as are COVID and flu swabs. 428 00:34:32,765 --> 00:34:45,695 Blood culture, as well as serologies for HIV and viral hepatitis are in process and a peripheral blood smear obtained overnight at your advising reveals normal sized red blood cells, some containing ring forms. 429 00:34:46,325 --> 00:34:53,105 So the patient's blood smear is followed by thin smear on which an average of 10 to 12 ring forms are noted per high power field. 430 00:34:54,675 --> 00:34:54,965 Dr. 431 00:34:54,965 --> 00:34:59,765 Coyle, how would you interpret these findings and how would you characterize or classify this patient's illness? 432 00:35:00,515 --> 00:35:00,905 Christina Coyle: Great. 433 00:35:01,025 --> 00:35:05,765 This is the most important thing that we do as ID clinicians is we interpret the blood smear. 434 00:35:06,185 --> 00:35:12,105 And so when we're looking at a blood smear, the first thing we do is we look at the size of the red cells. 435 00:35:12,405 --> 00:35:15,910 And so we heard that these were normal RBC. 436 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:22,200 So when we're talking about normal size RBCs, it's moving us towards falciparum and malariae. 437 00:35:22,570 --> 00:35:30,370 I'm going to leave knowlesi out of this, just because it, it occurs in Malaysia and it's not even part of the epi here. 438 00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:40,340 When we talk about enlarged, red cells that are, those are the forms of malaria that, in fact, younger red cells. 439 00:35:40,610 --> 00:35:42,720 And so that's your vivax and your ovale. 440 00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:43,730 All right. 441 00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:45,290 And so that's the way you think about. 442 00:35:45,690 --> 00:35:47,510 You're hearing only rings. 443 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:59,690 And so these rings are normally when someone, especially from the lab says rings, what they mean is that it looks like the signet ring, like a diamond ring or sometimes like headphones. 444 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:09,070 And so that's the chromatin and the ring itself is the very thin cytoplasm and the diamond on the signet ring is the chromatin dot. 445 00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:15,720 And so, uh, when we only see that, and they're not enlarged, it's really pushing us to falcip[arum].. 446 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,880 If it turns out it's malariae. 447 00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:18,900 So be it. 448 00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:22,150 But they tend to have very low parasitemia, malariae. 449 00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:25,200 They actually infect senescent red cells. 450 00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:27,850 And we're hearing a lot of red cells infected here. 451 00:36:27,850 --> 00:36:30,540 So this is really pushing us towards falciparum. 452 00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:35,230 The other thing is that we only see rings in this patient. 453 00:36:35,530 --> 00:36:44,440 And so what that's telling us that cytoplasm from that signet ring, right, that, that blue part of the ring is going to actually enlarge over time. 454 00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:46,240 And it has two ways that it can go. 455 00:36:46,510 --> 00:36:52,535 It can develop into what we call a blood schizont, which is what I always say, a blue bag full of merozoites. 456 00:36:52,865 --> 00:37:00,725 Um, and when that ruptures, you're going to get fever or schizogony, and each of those merozoites will then infect another red cell. 457 00:37:01,025 --> 00:37:03,515 So for malaria, it's about 10 merozoites. 458 00:37:03,605 --> 00:37:09,515 So for every infected schizont, you're going to get 10 to 13 red cells infected after that schizogony. 459 00:37:09,685 --> 00:37:13,455 , and then of course there's gametocytes and the gametocytes do go in the periphery. 460 00:37:13,485 --> 00:37:17,085 And we know in falciparum they look like banana shaped. 461 00:37:18,350 --> 00:37:20,830 So that's going to get picked up by a mosquito. 462 00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:22,690 That causes no symptoms. 463 00:37:22,690 --> 00:37:25,960 It just tells you that the person's been infected for at least two weeks. 464 00:37:26,330 --> 00:37:34,050 So those later stages that you normally, will occur in the life cycle in falciparum are sequestered. 465 00:37:34,430 --> 00:37:41,240 So when you see a parasitemia of like say 3%, they could have a fever and schizogony. 466 00:37:41,780 --> 00:37:48,470 And the next eight hours that parasitemia, especially in a non-immune host, can increased quite a lot. 467 00:37:48,860 --> 00:37:53,900 Um, I've seen 2% in the morning in non-immune hosts and 20% in the evenings. 468 00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:59,780 So what you're seeing on a blood smear, isn't representing exactly what's going on in the patient. 469 00:37:59,780 --> 00:38:03,200 And there could be a sequestered biomass that you're not accounting for. 470 00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:11,630 And that's why getting a blood smear and parasitemia on falciparum, you should definitely, you're taking everything into consideration, right? 471 00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:17,150 You're taking the immunity into consideration and you're knowing that in eight hours, this might be different. 472 00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:20,480 That's why you're looking at your end organ, your brain, right. 473 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,070 You're looking at your kidneys. 474 00:38:22,340 --> 00:38:23,960 You're looking at the blood pressure. 475 00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:29,200 You're looking at pulmonary, you're looking at all of these things and of course you're looking at acidosis. 476 00:38:29,465 --> 00:38:29,885 Right. 477 00:38:30,125 --> 00:38:38,945 And so these are all the things that you're looking at because you know that parasitemia although, once it's greater than 4% in some, in a non-endemic region, 478 00:38:38,975 --> 00:38:42,935 so somebody that isn't being exposed all the time, right. 479 00:38:43,265 --> 00:38:44,855 It's going to be severe malaria. 480 00:38:45,005 --> 00:38:49,055 You're also going to be worried about somebody with 3.5%, 2%. 481 00:38:49,265 --> 00:38:55,265 They're going to make you worried if they're non-immune and they've got end organ damage, and they don't look well, they just don't look well. 482 00:38:55,565 --> 00:39:00,125 So these are the things that we're thinking about when we're looking at this blood smear. 483 00:39:00,155 --> 00:39:20,360 And this is the reason why you only see early forms in P.falciparum, as opposed to be P.vivax and P.ovale, where you're going to see the later stages, you're going to see the schizonts in there and they're going to be enlarge and there's something called Schuffner dots that, you know, you're not going to see in the middle of the night, your parasitologist is going to pick up. 484 00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:23,990 Um, and so that's the way that you're going to look at this smear. 485 00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:35,585 And so then you're going to calculate out the parasitemia and to be frank, I personally always say to my residents, because we're normally there in the middle of the night, this never happens during the day. 486 00:39:35,615 --> 00:39:36,005 Right. 487 00:39:36,245 --> 00:39:51,215 So I normally say let's go up to hematology lab and sit there and look at the smear with the hematologist because they basically have done a smear and we're not going to wait until the morning and I kind of ballpark it. 488 00:39:51,485 --> 00:39:58,285 So all you do is you basically look at the number of parasitized, the total RBCs you're doing per field. 489 00:39:58,505 --> 00:40:07,395 I kind of, I, you know, it's a gross, but I normally somewhere within a couple of percentages and then the number of parasitized RBC. 490 00:40:07,415 --> 00:40:13,035 So I do number of parasitized RBCs in the number of total RBCs per field. 491 00:40:13,245 --> 00:40:13,935 And I do an average. 492 00:40:14,515 --> 00:40:17,695 So if there's a lot, sometimes I only need to look at five fields. 493 00:40:18,025 --> 00:40:22,405 Um, if, if there's not, then I look at five to 10 fields and then I average them out. 494 00:40:22,465 --> 00:40:29,275 Of course, I multiply it by a hundred and I get around about percentage because I need to know how sick this patient is. 495 00:40:29,275 --> 00:40:32,645 And I need to have an idea if we're talking a high parasitemia. 496 00:40:32,835 --> 00:40:37,705 So we're talking that this person has a parasitemia, of greater than 4%. 497 00:40:37,705 --> 00:40:39,595 So we're worried. 498 00:40:39,775 --> 00:40:50,755 So high parastiemia in the absence of signs of severity is associated with an increased mortality in a non-immune individual, and I'm going to add or waning immunity. 499 00:40:50,755 --> 00:40:58,365 So those individuals that I see that have been out of the endemic region for years and years and years, right? 500 00:40:58,665 --> 00:41:06,655 Um, the, basically the low parasitemia, , doesn't reflect a high sequestered biomass and shouldn't reassure you. 501 00:41:06,865 --> 00:41:11,935 So you have to be on top of this patient and make sure that you're getting a smear eight hours later. 502 00:41:12,015 --> 00:41:19,735 So if they look sick and they have a low parasitemia and not low, low, like less than one, but not 4%. 503 00:41:19,735 --> 00:41:21,505 I'm still very worried about them. 504 00:41:22,045 --> 00:41:29,525 Patients can look well and if they're not treated properly, umand promptly, um, they can deteriorate very, very, uh, rapidly. 505 00:41:29,525 --> 00:41:32,255 So treatment of malaria is an emergency. 506 00:41:32,345 --> 00:41:46,805 It's an absolute emergency and deciding whether or not we, we want to do IV or oral is really critical for us as ID people, because we only have a window the same way we do in gram negative sepsis. 507 00:41:47,025 --> 00:41:52,275 Shilpa Vasishta: I can just, uh, provide, uh, uh, some of that, the data that you referenced there for our patient. 508 00:41:52,695 --> 00:42:11,615 Uh, so the patient is, uh, as you described, diagnosed with severe Plasmodium falciparum malaria, based on confirmed parasitemia on smear with initial 2% burden and severe features, including acute anemia, metabolic acidosis, and acute kidney injury. 509 00:42:12,365 --> 00:42:18,755 A repeat peripheral blood smear is obtained eight hours later and reveals an increase in parasite burden to 15%. 510 00:42:19,085 --> 00:42:20,465 She remains well appearing. 511 00:42:21,065 --> 00:42:23,225 What are your management recommendations for this patient? 512 00:42:23,310 --> 00:42:33,540 Christina Coyle: First of all, so I think that's such a great example of how somebody like this really had a sequestered bio-mass when she first had a smear. 513 00:42:33,790 --> 00:42:38,390 That initial bicarb of 16, the elevated creatinine a bit trickier. 514 00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:43,930 I think, um, you have to remember that patients come in severely dehydrated with malaria. 515 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,990 So a lot of times we can't say anything until we hydrate them. 516 00:42:47,230 --> 00:42:50,440 So I tend not to say anything until they're hydrated. 517 00:42:50,490 --> 00:43:00,720 So for us, the most important thing, um, is now we've got a high parasitemia, and we've got a low bicarb and we've got a non-immune host. 518 00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:05,070 So for us, she needs criteria for severe disease. 519 00:43:05,380 --> 00:43:09,330 If she had had mild disease, we could have used oral, but she didn't. 520 00:43:09,390 --> 00:43:15,600 And, and I just want to remind you that anywhere in Sub-Saharan Africa is considered chloroquine resistant. 521 00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:23,380 So you only have three choices in non-severe disease and that's artemether / lumefantrine, which would be your number one choice. 522 00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:33,880 Atovaquone proguanil, which you could use (Malarone) in non-severe disease or quinine plus doxycycline or in pregnant women, quinine plus clindamycin. 523 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,980 If you don't have the other two available. 524 00:43:37,390 --> 00:43:41,680 So this patient meets criteria for severe disease. 525 00:43:41,890 --> 00:43:46,630 So I would, especially as a fellow, I would call a lifeline. 526 00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:48,940 And so your lifeline will be CDC. 527 00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:52,580 And so in the middle of the night, it's always worth calling CDC. 528 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:58,880 And, um, you can either get artesunate from them or it's commercially available right now. 529 00:43:59,220 --> 00:44:03,810 I just wanted to spend two seconds on severe disease in adults. 530 00:44:04,170 --> 00:44:09,960 So when you look at most of your disease that you get taught in medical school, you get taught about children. 531 00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:17,140 And so in Africa, the burden of disease of malaria is really seen in children under the age of five years. 532 00:44:17,470 --> 00:44:22,480 And so for those individuals, we see cerebral malaria and there's a literature on this. 533 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,610 Um, and then acidosis. 534 00:44:24,670 --> 00:44:28,510 And of course we see severe, uh, malaria anemia. 535 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:37,360 As we start moving to adulthood, and we start looking at the data coming out of Asia, where, um, malaria is not holo endemic. 536 00:44:37,390 --> 00:44:39,790 So you get a lot of adults with severe disease. 537 00:44:40,150 --> 00:45:02,210 We actually see yes, cerebral malaria in those individuals, um, and it acts a bit different than kids, but we see non-cardiogenic pulmonary edema more, kidney failure more, um, and so we have to be on the lookout for this as when we see an adult with malaria, I already mentioned that in pregnancy, especially the third trimester -mester uh, malaria can be more severe. 538 00:45:02,210 --> 00:45:05,540 So I always get a pregnancy test on my patients. 539 00:45:05,830 --> 00:45:09,410 And so this patient, , we would definitely give artesunate. 540 00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:12,320 There would be no doubt that we would give artesunate. 541 00:45:13,470 --> 00:45:14,830 One minute on artesunate. 542 00:45:14,850 --> 00:45:19,020 In the United States, uh, IV quinidine used to be available. 543 00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:22,590 But as of two years ago, um, it's no longer available. 544 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,230 Worldwide, artesunate is felt to be the drug of choice for, , severe disease. 545 00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:42,655 Um, it's well tolerated, but the more important piece to artesunate, there were two landmark trials looking at artesunate vs IV quinidine in severe malaria and IV artesunate was superior. 546 00:45:42,895 --> 00:45:52,705 And that is because it works on killing those young circulating ring stage parasites that you saw on the blood smear, which quinidine doesn't. 547 00:45:52,825 --> 00:45:57,385 So there's more rapid killing and so more rapid activity. 548 00:45:57,475 --> 00:46:03,865 Um, and that's important because we're going to talk about a side effect of artesunate that you have to worry about in this particular patient. 549 00:46:03,925 --> 00:46:05,485 I just want to say one other thing. 550 00:46:05,935 --> 00:46:08,005 I want to talk about dehydration. 551 00:46:08,215 --> 00:46:14,545 These patients are very dehydrated, so as ID person, we don't normally do, um, management of fluids. 552 00:46:14,755 --> 00:46:25,835 This is the one situation where I really get involved because they're hypovolemic and if you over hydrate them or really give them too much fluid, too quickly, 553 00:46:26,105 --> 00:46:33,725 some people feel you can get these leaky capillaries and that you're more likely to get a non cardiogenic pulmonary edema. 554 00:46:34,025 --> 00:46:42,645 So what I normally tell my, uh, house staff and my emergency room and my ICU is to basically hydrate them and bring them to euvolemia. 555 00:46:42,785 --> 00:46:47,435 And at that point match their I's and O's, and I think most people feel that. 556 00:46:47,435 --> 00:46:51,305 And obviously I tell them about this non-cardiogenic pulmonary edema. 557 00:46:51,695 --> 00:46:57,285 And the other thing is you can get hypoglycemia, especially in somebody with poor oral intake. 558 00:46:57,435 --> 00:47:03,825 So I'm always just, I just always remember that if there's a change in mental status and I make sure that we give them some glucose. 559 00:47:03,825 --> 00:47:06,495 So those are some things that I do when I'm managing patients. 560 00:47:06,855 --> 00:47:09,585 And then the last thing is, is that patients vomit a lot. 561 00:47:09,855 --> 00:47:21,405 And so it's very important if you've chosen to go oral, which we're not doing with this patient that you watch, because some patients actually have to get IV artesunate, especially pregnant patients, because they're not tolerating orals. 562 00:47:21,555 --> 00:47:24,945 So even though they don't meet criteria for severe disease. 563 00:47:24,995 --> 00:47:25,505 Shilpa Vasishta: Great. 564 00:47:26,045 --> 00:47:34,145 Um, so this patient does receive IV therapy with artesunate, uh, 2.4 milligrams per kilogram, dosed Q 12 hours. 565 00:47:34,535 --> 00:47:47,915 A repeat peripheral smear after the third dose demonstrates persistent 4% parasitemia, therefore therapy has continued for an additional 48 hours with daily smears until her parasite burden drops to less than 1%. 566 00:47:48,425 --> 00:47:55,355 She's then transitioned to oral artemether and lumefantrine to be continued for an additional three days after discharge. 567 00:47:55,985 --> 00:47:58,865 Uh, what further followup will she need upon discharge? 568 00:47:58,865 --> 00:48:02,375 And how would you counsel this patient on preventive measures for future travel? 569 00:48:02,522 --> 00:48:15,022 Christina Coyle: For this case, what CDC recommends is that once you started artesunate, the way to think about it is that once they're at 1% or less, you're kind of treating them as uncomplicated malaria. 570 00:48:15,022 --> 00:48:16,192 That's the way to think about it. 571 00:48:16,192 --> 00:48:28,593 So the most important thing in a patient like this is that, um, in non-immune travelers, there's something called delayed onset hemolysis or post artesunate delayed onset hemolysis. 572 00:48:28,973 --> 00:48:36,713 And you can almost assume, and I don't know if this patient had it, you can almost assume that patients with high parasitemia are going to get it. 573 00:48:36,713 --> 00:48:42,813 And the reason why is it's due to that, that clearance of the young ring stages that we talked about. 574 00:48:43,143 --> 00:48:49,073 And so it rapidly kills them, but the dead parasite becomes what's called pyknotic. 575 00:48:49,473 --> 00:48:54,513 And so it circulates for a while, and then it gets taken out of circulation late. 576 00:48:54,513 --> 00:48:57,693 And so we started seeing delayed hemolysis due to that. 577 00:48:57,963 --> 00:49:01,173 And so we'll see it in non-immune travelers with high parasitemia. 578 00:49:01,173 --> 00:49:02,523 This patient is at huge risk. 579 00:49:02,583 --> 00:49:12,483 So the two things that I do is yes, I see them at two weeks and I check, I normally see patients a week after, myself personally, and make sure that their labs, everything looks normal. 580 00:49:12,483 --> 00:49:14,893 I educate them on symptoms of anemia. 581 00:49:15,668 --> 00:49:17,888 Um, because sometimes they'll just become short of breath. 582 00:49:17,888 --> 00:49:24,308 So I want to let them know to call me immediately and the way to treat it normally is to actually transfuse them. 583 00:49:24,923 --> 00:49:27,113 And, uh, and then we check them at two weeks. 584 00:49:27,113 --> 00:49:30,023 So the most important thing is also to educate them about that. 585 00:49:30,293 --> 00:49:38,193 And this is a patient that you also want to reinforce malaria prophylaxis the next time she goes. 586 00:49:38,463 --> 00:49:47,373 Um, and so for her, there are three choices of, , malaria prophylaxis and she has doxycycline, which is daily. 587 00:49:47,653 --> 00:49:52,493 And then there is Malarone and that is, also daily. 588 00:49:52,773 --> 00:50:02,693 The difference between doxy and Malarone is that, um, doxy just has more breakthroughs if you miss doses and also for women. 589 00:50:02,858 --> 00:50:06,728 Um, there's the risk of getting, uh, vaginal candidiasis. 590 00:50:06,728 --> 00:50:12,428 So I always send people with Fluconazole and of course it makes you more sun sensitive. 591 00:50:12,428 --> 00:50:18,068 So you really need to emphasize sunscreen no matter what in all individuals. 592 00:50:18,128 --> 00:50:20,898 And, um, and then you can get a pill esophagitis. 593 00:50:20,918 --> 00:50:23,718 Some people who take it just love it and their adherent. 594 00:50:23,738 --> 00:50:25,088 So it's a great drug for them. 595 00:50:25,358 --> 00:50:29,798 Malarone is really well tolerated, but for longer trips can be quite expensive. 596 00:50:30,068 --> 00:50:40,068 And that leaves us then with mefloquine which is weekly and great for longer trips, but important because it has a black box warning for it's CNS side effects. 597 00:50:40,648 --> 00:50:49,318 It's super important before you give mefloquine and the dosing we use for treatment, we tend not to use Mefloquine because of its side effect profile for treatment. 598 00:50:49,558 --> 00:50:55,258 So you're going to really emphasize to her that when she goes, she needs to listen to our pre-travel advice. 599 00:50:55,528 --> 00:50:58,168 Um, great that she sought it out, but she's got to listen to it. 600 00:50:58,468 --> 00:51:00,778 And, um, I think that's what I would say. 601 00:51:02,918 --> 00:51:09,308 Sara Dong: Thank you to Shilpa and Christina for joining us today and talking through this awesome case. 602 00:51:09,878 --> 00:51:15,788 We are planning to have several more episodes related to fever in the summer or fever in a returning traveler. 603 00:51:16,058 --> 00:51:17,978 So stay tuned for those. 604 00:51:18,488 --> 00:51:29,948 Uh, 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