1 00:00:05,130 --> 00:00:08,010 Matt Edmundson: Welcome to this week's Crowd Church service. 2 00:00:08,370 --> 00:00:12,210 We are a digital church on a quest to discover how Jesus helps 3 00:00:12,210 --> 00:00:14,880 us live a more meaningful life. 4 00:00:14,910 --> 00:00:19,320 We are a community, a space to explore the Christian faith and a place where 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:26,160 you can contribute and grow Our service, uh, will last about an hour and in a few 6 00:00:26,165 --> 00:00:31,440 seconds you'll meet our hosts, uh, for our service, who will introduce today's talk. 7 00:00:32,045 --> 00:00:36,365 After the talk, we will have a time of worship and reflection after which we 8 00:00:36,365 --> 00:00:41,375 head into Conversation Street, where we look at your stories and questions 9 00:00:41,675 --> 00:00:43,955 that you've posted in the comments. 10 00:00:45,035 --> 00:00:49,625 Now, we want to invite you to connect with us here at Crowd Church, and we've got a 11 00:00:49,625 --> 00:00:53,525 few ways in which you can do just that. 12 00:00:53,735 --> 00:00:58,025 Firstly, you can engage with Crowd from any device during our 13 00:00:58,025 --> 00:01:00,285 livestream, and if you're up for it. 14 00:01:00,734 --> 00:01:04,709 Why not invite a few friends over and experience the service together? 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35 00:05:25,065 --> 00:05:26,440 Claire Glare: Absolutely brilliant. 36 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:26,710 Thank you. 37 00:05:27,220 --> 00:05:32,260 I love taking a moment there to remember and, and, uh, yeah. 38 00:05:32,260 --> 00:05:33,460 Good to be with you all today. 39 00:05:33,820 --> 00:05:34,360 Thanks for having me. 40 00:05:34,870 --> 00:05:36,750 Matt Edmundson: No, it's great that you are here and I'm loving your poppy. 41 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:38,300 Claire Glare: I know. 42 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:39,660 Oh, wrong side. 43 00:05:39,660 --> 00:05:40,070 Crochet. 44 00:05:40,070 --> 00:05:42,430 Not done by me. 45 00:05:42,890 --> 00:05:44,409 Matt Edmundson: Not done by you. 46 00:05:44,409 --> 00:05:45,860 Okay. 47 00:05:47,270 --> 00:05:48,360 Fair enough. 48 00:05:48,450 --> 00:05:52,140 Uh, for those of you outside of the uk, rememberance Sunday is just a time 49 00:05:52,140 --> 00:05:57,840 when we remember those who have, uh, fallen, who, who or who are in service, 50 00:05:58,140 --> 00:06:02,400 uh, at the moment, uh, and have fought so bravely for us over the years in the 51 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,140 many battles that we've had to face. 52 00:06:04,140 --> 00:06:06,660 And so, yeah, that's why we do it. 53 00:06:06,660 --> 00:06:09,840 And do you know why we wear the poppies, Claire? 54 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:11,070 Claire Glare: Um, yeah. 55 00:06:11,070 --> 00:06:16,680 Basically in, um, southern, well in France where people's bodies died, when 56 00:06:17,370 --> 00:06:20,250 the poppy grows after disturbed ground. 57 00:06:20,670 --> 00:06:25,200 And so it was what was growing on, you know, over people's, um, 58 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,260 bodies, the graveyards, really the of the fallen soldiers. 59 00:06:28,265 --> 00:06:32,430 And, and I think, um, it was just a really stark reminder that 60 00:06:32,430 --> 00:06:34,740 life comes after death, I think. 61 00:06:35,010 --> 00:06:37,484 Um, Uh, you know? 62 00:06:37,965 --> 00:06:38,265 Matt Edmundson: Yeah. 63 00:06:38,625 --> 00:06:39,135 Yeah, it is. 64 00:06:39,135 --> 00:06:40,934 And there was that famous poem, wasn't there in Flanders 65 00:06:40,934 --> 00:06:43,635 Fields, Uh, where Poppy's grow. 66 00:06:44,205 --> 00:06:44,325 Yeah. 67 00:06:44,325 --> 00:06:46,005 Which came from the, the war as well. 68 00:06:46,010 --> 00:06:46,544 The Great War. 69 00:06:46,549 --> 00:06:48,434 So, uh, yes. 70 00:06:48,465 --> 00:06:51,825 Uh, it's always good to take time and just be grateful and thankful. 71 00:06:51,885 --> 00:06:55,635 Uh, I'm reminded of the words by Churchill, never have, uh, 72 00:06:55,724 --> 00:06:57,645 so many owed so much to so few. 73 00:06:57,825 --> 00:06:58,994 Uh, and it's very true. 74 00:06:59,234 --> 00:07:05,265 Uh, and so yes, uh, whether wars are just, or right or wrong or the morals of 75 00:07:05,265 --> 00:07:06,854 that we can get into maybe another day. 76 00:07:06,854 --> 00:07:10,005 But just for now, we say thank you and we are grateful. 77 00:07:10,724 --> 00:07:10,844 Yeah. 78 00:07:10,905 --> 00:07:14,354 So thank you for joining us on this Remembrance Sunday. 79 00:07:14,835 --> 00:07:20,969 Uh, today we are carrying on our troll is maybe the wrong word. 80 00:07:21,159 --> 00:07:22,140 Our, our journey. 81 00:07:23,310 --> 00:07:24,270 Claire Glare: He was a fisherman. 82 00:07:24,510 --> 00:07:24,900 I think that's 83 00:07:26,690 --> 00:07:27,180 .. Matt Edmundson: Yeah. 84 00:07:27,180 --> 00:07:27,460 Yeah. 85 00:07:27,460 --> 00:07:30,810 Well, let's go with Troll, uh, through the Gospel of John. 86 00:07:30,810 --> 00:07:35,760 We're in a series called Origin, uh, and we have been, uh, on a whistle stop tour 87 00:07:35,940 --> 00:07:40,110 through the Gospel of John, uh, looking at the life of Christ, getting ready to 88 00:07:40,169 --> 00:07:45,580 dig into a book called Acts, which is this great book just sort of describes 89 00:07:45,580 --> 00:07:48,090 the life of the early church and what happened right there at the beginning, 90 00:07:48,094 --> 00:07:49,500 which we're really keen to get into. 91 00:07:50,130 --> 00:07:54,780 Uh, but of course we can, we can just spend a little bit 92 00:07:54,780 --> 00:07:56,070 of time here in John's gospel. 93 00:07:56,070 --> 00:07:58,349 So my very good friend, uh, Mr. 94 00:07:58,349 --> 00:08:01,230 Tony Uddin, who is a pastor of a church down in Tar Hamlets, is 95 00:08:01,230 --> 00:08:03,840 gonna be sharing with us today. 96 00:08:03,870 --> 00:08:06,210 Uh, after that we're gonna have a time of worship. 97 00:08:06,450 --> 00:08:08,909 Um, and then after that we've got Conversation Street with myself 98 00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:12,659 and Claire all in the context of Remembrance Sunday as well. 99 00:08:12,664 --> 00:08:14,520 So we are gonna be carrying on that conversation. 100 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:19,410 But before we get into Tony's talk, Uh, Tony's talk. 101 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:26,160 Theres a lot of T in there, I've just realized it's Tony's talk. 102 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,540 Um, before we get into, 103 00:08:28,710 --> 00:08:32,820 Claire Glare: So, uh, we, something Matt. 104 00:08:33,090 --> 00:08:34,140 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 105 00:08:34,140 --> 00:08:35,070 You should read something. 106 00:08:35,070 --> 00:08:35,310 Yeah. 107 00:08:35,310 --> 00:08:35,520 Yeah. 108 00:08:35,525 --> 00:08:39,090 So, uh, we are in John's Gospel chapter 13, I think. 109 00:08:39,090 --> 00:08:39,450 Is it Claire? 110 00:08:39,450 --> 00:08:40,320 You just read it out. 111 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:41,220 Claire Glare: Okay. 112 00:08:41,220 --> 00:08:46,770 So it's John's Gospel 13 from the start of the chapter through to verse 16, 113 00:08:47,130 --> 00:08:49,050 and it's called in, in, in this Bible. 114 00:08:49,050 --> 00:08:51,330 It's Jesus washes the disciples' feet. 115 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:58,200 Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour had come, 116 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:02,520 that he should depart from the world to the father, having loved his own who 117 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:08,850 were in the world, he loved them to the end, and supper being ended, the devil 118 00:09:08,850 --> 00:09:14,060 having already put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son to betray him. 119 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,940 Jesus knowing that the father had given all things into his hands and that he 120 00:09:20,940 --> 00:09:27,090 had come from God and was going to God, rose from supper and laid aside his 121 00:09:27,090 --> 00:09:31,050 garments, took a towel and girded himself. 122 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,480 After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash the 123 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:41,660 disciples feet and to wipe them with the towel with which he was girded. 124 00:09:42,630 --> 00:09:48,750 Then he came to Simon Peter and Peter said to him, Lord, are you washing my feet? 125 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:53,670 Jesus answered and said to him, What I am doing, you do not understand 126 00:09:53,670 --> 00:09:56,010 now, but you will know after this. 127 00:09:57,060 --> 00:09:59,970 Peter said to him, You shall never wash my feet. 128 00:10:00,660 --> 00:10:01,830 Jesus answered him. 129 00:10:02,580 --> 00:10:06,090 If I do not wash you, you have no part with me. 130 00:10:06,870 --> 00:10:13,470 Simon Peter said to him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. 131 00:10:14,295 --> 00:10:19,545 Jesus said to him, He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet 132 00:10:20,025 --> 00:10:25,065 but is completely clean and you are clean, but not all of you. 133 00:10:25,965 --> 00:10:28,125 For he knew who would betray him. 134 00:10:28,605 --> 00:10:31,425 Therefore, he said, You are not all clean. 135 00:10:32,955 --> 00:10:36,795 So when he had washed their feet, taken his garments and sat down 136 00:10:36,795 --> 00:10:41,025 again, he said to them, Do you know what I have done to you? 137 00:10:41,655 --> 00:10:46,635 You call me teacher and Lord, and you say well, for so I am. 138 00:10:47,355 --> 00:10:53,145 If then your Lord and teacher have washed your feet, you also 139 00:10:53,325 --> 00:10:55,245 ought to wash one another's feet. 140 00:10:56,055 --> 00:11:01,155 For I have given you an example that you should do as I have done to you. 141 00:11:02,175 --> 00:11:09,105 Most assuredly I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is he 142 00:11:09,375 --> 00:11:12,765 who is sent greater than he who sent him. 143 00:11:14,535 --> 00:11:15,525 Matt Edmundson: Very good. 144 00:11:15,615 --> 00:11:19,665 So we are gonna let Tony carry on that conversation as we 145 00:11:19,665 --> 00:11:21,615 talk about what that means. 146 00:11:22,035 --> 00:11:25,125 And if you are new to the Christian faith or not heard that passage before, it's not 147 00:11:25,125 --> 00:11:27,295 a bit weird, washing each other's feet? 148 00:11:27,915 --> 00:11:30,615 Claire Glare: Girded was the word that I was amused by. 149 00:11:33,705 --> 00:11:34,695 Matt Edmundson: Jesus was girded. 150 00:11:35,235 --> 00:11:38,685 Uh, so, I'm looking forward to that conversation. 151 00:11:38,685 --> 00:11:39,105 Let me tell you. 152 00:11:39,585 --> 00:11:43,845 So here is Tony's talk, uh, related to that passage. 153 00:11:44,325 --> 00:11:47,415 After that, like I said, there's gonna be some worship and then Claire back. 154 00:11:47,505 --> 00:11:49,635 Claire and I will be back for Conversation Street. 155 00:11:49,665 --> 00:11:51,615 So do add your questions, do add your comments. 156 00:11:51,945 --> 00:11:55,425 Uh, in there I can see we've got some people in there already got Matt Crew, 157 00:11:55,425 --> 00:11:57,255 we've got Elizabeth, uh, Miriam in there. 158 00:11:57,405 --> 00:11:59,565 So I'm not reading the second name on the first name. 159 00:11:59,955 --> 00:12:00,555 Sharon's in there. 160 00:12:00,585 --> 00:12:01,395 We're all in the comments. 161 00:12:01,395 --> 00:12:02,235 So do come and say hi. 162 00:12:02,235 --> 00:12:03,075 It'd be great to see you. 163 00:12:03,525 --> 00:12:05,955 Um, and yeah, we'll be back to Conversation Street 164 00:12:05,985 --> 00:12:07,335 after worship after this. 165 00:12:08,265 --> 00:12:09,105 Tony Uddin: Good afternoon. 166 00:12:09,345 --> 00:12:12,675 It's great to be with you at Crowd Church today as you continue 167 00:12:12,675 --> 00:12:14,925 your look through John's gospel. 168 00:12:14,925 --> 00:12:22,215 We today at John chapter 13, and I want us to look at how Jesus sets 169 00:12:22,425 --> 00:12:25,485 an example of servant leadership. 170 00:12:25,485 --> 00:12:32,145 In the, uh, chapters just before this, we see Jesus entry back into Jerusalem. 171 00:12:32,415 --> 00:12:39,045 In one sense, warmly welcomed, but in another sense talking about the 172 00:12:39,045 --> 00:12:42,074 fact that he would go to the cross. 173 00:12:42,824 --> 00:12:49,365 And what I want us to see is that John's Gospel gives this tremendous detail of 174 00:12:49,574 --> 00:12:56,204 the last few, uh, hours, particularly and of Jesus ministry before he was arrested. 175 00:12:56,444 --> 00:13:03,285 As John's gospel moves towards its climax, we see that so much of it is focused on 176 00:13:03,285 --> 00:13:06,135 the last couple of days of Jesus' life. 177 00:13:06,675 --> 00:13:14,025 And here we see in John 13, Jesus is preparing to go to the cross and 178 00:13:14,025 --> 00:13:18,675 in doing so, he sets the example of what it is to be a servant. 179 00:13:18,885 --> 00:13:20,385 You know, it's interesting, isn't it? 180 00:13:20,385 --> 00:13:25,425 Just how much, uh, leadership is such a contested topic. 181 00:13:25,595 --> 00:13:31,365 Our world has high expectations of leadership, but generally 182 00:13:31,365 --> 00:13:33,765 low expectations of leaders. 183 00:13:33,915 --> 00:13:37,755 We want leaders, we want leadership that will be good, 184 00:13:37,755 --> 00:13:39,885 that will look out for our best. 185 00:13:39,885 --> 00:13:43,095 We want leadership that causes others to thrive. 186 00:13:43,365 --> 00:13:50,005 But generally our experience is of leaders who use the power and authority 187 00:13:50,005 --> 00:13:52,650 they have in self-serving ways. 188 00:13:52,650 --> 00:13:54,630 That's certainly true in politics. 189 00:13:54,810 --> 00:13:56,730 It's often true in business. 190 00:13:56,940 --> 00:14:01,200 It's true in in so many areas, and unfortunately at times it's even 191 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:06,480 sometimes true of the church and Jesus is leaving and setting the 192 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:11,970 disciples a really powerful example of what servant leadership is. 193 00:14:11,970 --> 00:14:14,550 So I want us to take a look a closer look at that. 194 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:16,980 Firstly, uh, the context. 195 00:14:16,980 --> 00:14:22,350 Jesus' love is expressed through being with his disciples. 196 00:14:22,350 --> 00:14:27,000 Jesus love is expressed through being with his disciples. 197 00:14:27,270 --> 00:14:32,730 Verse one says, Jesus 'knew that the hour had come for him to leave 198 00:14:32,735 --> 00:14:36,330 this world and to go to the Father. 199 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:44,130 The very last, uh, day of Jesus' public ministry, you know, Jesus 200 00:14:44,130 --> 00:14:46,290 knew he was going to the cross. 201 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:52,349 And he was communicating something to his disciples simply by the fact that 202 00:14:52,349 --> 00:14:58,469 he was with them and that he was giving them that his undivided attention. 203 00:14:59,069 --> 00:15:02,579 It's a powerful thing, isn't it, that we show people honor and 204 00:15:02,579 --> 00:15:05,250 respect through giving them time. 205 00:15:05,250 --> 00:15:09,599 Sometimes it may even be easier to give someone money than it is to 206 00:15:09,599 --> 00:15:15,689 give them our time, and what we see is Jesus is giving them time in the 207 00:15:15,750 --> 00:15:21,810 last day or, uh, before his arrest, he wants to be with his disciples. 208 00:15:22,770 --> 00:15:27,480 If you knew that your life was to end in a week's time, probably change 209 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,949 how you live your life, wouldn't it? 210 00:15:29,730 --> 00:15:34,589 If you knew that your life was to end in a month's time or a year's time, I 211 00:15:34,589 --> 00:15:36,510 think you'd probably live differently. 212 00:15:36,515 --> 00:15:38,010 I'm, I certainly hope I would. 213 00:15:39,719 --> 00:15:45,120 Jesus knew that within hours he would be arrested. 214 00:15:46,020 --> 00:15:50,370 And yet he chose to be with his disciples. 215 00:15:50,370 --> 00:15:56,760 By being with them, he was expressing what it is to be a servant leader. 216 00:15:57,810 --> 00:16:02,010 But also we know that Jesus was preparing them for the fact that 217 00:16:02,010 --> 00:16:04,739 they, that he would go to the cross. 218 00:16:05,109 --> 00:16:06,630 He was building them up. 219 00:16:06,630 --> 00:16:10,979 John includes in his gospel, his own reason for writing the gospel. 220 00:16:10,979 --> 00:16:13,530 John chapter 20, verse 31. 221 00:16:13,709 --> 00:16:18,569 But these things have been written so that you may believe Jesus is 222 00:16:18,574 --> 00:16:24,660 the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. 223 00:16:26,099 --> 00:16:30,569 John wanted his readers, people like you and I, who would read 224 00:16:30,574 --> 00:16:36,240 this gospel to believe in Jesus and through believing in Jesus. 225 00:16:36,244 --> 00:16:40,740 Find life, real life, eternal life, life abundant. 226 00:16:42,195 --> 00:16:44,925 And Jesus wanted his disciples to have that. 227 00:16:45,135 --> 00:16:49,125 That is why he was willing to go to the cross. 228 00:16:49,705 --> 00:16:54,375 In speaking about what was to happen in preparing his 229 00:16:54,380 --> 00:16:56,295 disciples in being with them. 230 00:16:56,685 --> 00:17:01,245 Jesus was expressing love through servanthood. 231 00:17:02,445 --> 00:17:05,655 I want us just to contrast that with the disciples. 232 00:17:05,655 --> 00:17:11,775 This same account, the account of the same thing in Luke 22, shows us that actually 233 00:17:11,955 --> 00:17:16,965 there was a argument that developed between the disciples at this time. 234 00:17:17,295 --> 00:17:23,415 In verse 24 of Luke 22, it says, A dispute also arose among them as to which of 235 00:17:23,415 --> 00:17:25,515 them was to be considered the greatest. 236 00:17:25,785 --> 00:17:29,985 Jesus said to them, The kings of the Gentiles lorded over them, and 237 00:17:29,985 --> 00:17:35,715 those who exercise authority over them call themselves benefactors. 238 00:17:36,045 --> 00:17:37,875 But you are not to be like that. 239 00:17:37,965 --> 00:17:40,485 The greatest among you shall be the youngest. 240 00:17:40,754 --> 00:17:44,715 And the one who rules will be the one who serves. 241 00:17:45,735 --> 00:17:50,475 Jesus is preparing to go to the cross to die for your sin and 242 00:17:50,475 --> 00:17:55,485 mine, to pay the ultimate price to show what it is to be a servant. 243 00:17:56,685 --> 00:17:59,205 And the disciples are jostling for position. 244 00:17:59,385 --> 00:18:04,125 They're saying, Jesus, am I gonna be the one that gets the best place when you go? 245 00:18:05,625 --> 00:18:10,875 And in the midst of this, Jesus shows them what true servant hearted 246 00:18:10,875 --> 00:18:16,844 leadership is like, not something that is just merely expressed in 247 00:18:16,844 --> 00:18:22,064 words, but communicated in actions and Jesus actions of being with them. 248 00:18:22,064 --> 00:18:25,635 The phrase that's used there in verse one is he loved them to 249 00:18:25,635 --> 00:18:32,024 the end by being with them, by preparing to give his life for them. 250 00:18:32,745 --> 00:18:39,435 Jesus was showing that love is expressed and it's expressed in servant heartedness, 251 00:18:40,065 --> 00:18:47,565 but also secondly, Jesus showed them that love is demonstrated and he demonstrated 252 00:18:47,565 --> 00:18:50,715 it by washing the disciples feet. 253 00:18:51,375 --> 00:18:55,695 In verse three, we read, Jesus knew that the Father had put all things 254 00:18:55,700 --> 00:19:00,015 under his power and that he had come from God and was returning to God. 255 00:19:00,315 --> 00:19:03,885 So he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing and 256 00:19:03,885 --> 00:19:06,075 wrapped a towel around his waist. 257 00:19:06,495 --> 00:19:11,445 After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his 258 00:19:11,445 --> 00:19:16,425 disciples' feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him. 259 00:19:17,565 --> 00:19:20,445 Jesus knew that he was going back to the Father. 260 00:19:20,775 --> 00:19:25,095 He knew that he was, uh, preparing to face the cross and then would be 261 00:19:25,095 --> 00:19:27,825 raised in return to God the father. 262 00:19:28,695 --> 00:19:31,405 And in doing so, he sets the tone. 263 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,210 This idea that he got up, He says, This is what I have to leave you with. 264 00:19:36,210 --> 00:19:40,080 I have to show you something that is so important. 265 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,970 And that was that he would wash his disciples feet. 266 00:19:45,030 --> 00:19:52,000 The scandal of the greatest teacher, whoever was washing the feet of the 267 00:19:52,005 --> 00:19:58,920 disciples, the scandal of God himself in human flesh, the one through whom 268 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:08,130 and for whom all things were made, humbling himself before human feet 269 00:20:08,610 --> 00:20:11,100 in all of the squalor and filth. 270 00:20:11,940 --> 00:20:13,140 It's a remarkable picture. 271 00:20:13,140 --> 00:20:13,480 Isn't it. 272 00:20:14,350 --> 00:20:15,915 This is the glory of God. 273 00:20:16,155 --> 00:20:18,495 You wanna see the power and glory of God? 274 00:20:18,645 --> 00:20:25,155 The power and glory of God is demonstrated in Jesus washing the disciple's feet. 275 00:20:25,335 --> 00:20:30,405 You know, years ago I worked, uh, in homelessness and there was a podiatrist 276 00:20:30,410 --> 00:20:36,375 I worked with, and her role was to go out on the streets and to find entrenched 277 00:20:36,375 --> 00:20:40,665 rough sleepers and to really, people were resistant to help very often 278 00:20:40,670 --> 00:20:43,695 with extremely poor personal hygiene. 279 00:20:43,905 --> 00:20:47,985 And her role was to, uh, basically help them with their feet. 280 00:20:48,555 --> 00:20:53,055 And I was struck time and time again how she would literally 281 00:20:53,055 --> 00:20:58,155 deal with some of the worst, most unhygienic feet you could imagine. 282 00:20:58,875 --> 00:21:01,935 And she'd do it with a smile on her face, treating people 283 00:21:01,935 --> 00:21:05,325 with utter dignity and respect. 284 00:21:06,695 --> 00:21:11,085 Whenever I think of her, I'm reminded of this passage. 285 00:21:11,385 --> 00:21:15,405 This is a manifestation of the glory of God. 286 00:21:15,405 --> 00:21:16,395 Here's the substance. 287 00:21:16,395 --> 00:21:22,365 Here's what God looks like getting involved at the lowest possible level. 288 00:21:23,205 --> 00:21:29,535 This is the power of God at work as Jesus washes the disciples feet. 289 00:21:30,225 --> 00:21:34,425 You know, it was the job of the, in the context at the time of the lowest 290 00:21:34,605 --> 00:21:37,695 servant in the house to wash the feet. 291 00:21:38,025 --> 00:21:41,235 It wouldn't even have been a normal servant's job. 292 00:21:41,265 --> 00:21:45,135 Really, If you were washing people's feet, you were the lowest of the low. 293 00:21:45,135 --> 00:21:47,535 You were at the bottom of the pile. 294 00:21:47,865 --> 00:21:50,745 You know, those of you maybe watched something like Downtown Abbey. 295 00:21:50,925 --> 00:21:52,665 You'll have seen, you know, the, the butler. 296 00:21:52,665 --> 00:21:54,315 He's quite prim and proper, isn't he? 297 00:21:54,315 --> 00:21:57,225 And so much that he views as being beneath him. 298 00:21:57,225 --> 00:22:00,135 He's risen to a different station in life. 299 00:22:00,135 --> 00:22:02,715 And as you go through the different servants, they all 300 00:22:02,715 --> 00:22:04,875 look down on the one below.. 301 00:22:06,284 --> 00:22:11,715 Well, the job of washing the feet in Jesus time was for the very lowest of the low. 302 00:22:12,435 --> 00:22:15,074 And Jesus demonstrates humility. 303 00:22:15,074 --> 00:22:20,054 Jesus demonstrates servanthood by washing their feet. 304 00:22:20,955 --> 00:22:23,834 It's quite interesting as Jesus does this, they would've 305 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,264 been shocked and scandalized. 306 00:22:26,655 --> 00:22:32,895 And I want us to see, uh, to contrast Peter's response with Jesus. 307 00:22:32,899 --> 00:22:39,405 Jesus is demonstrating humility, but in one sense, Peter is demonstrating pride. 308 00:22:40,695 --> 00:22:46,185 In verse eight, Peter says, No said Peter, you shall never wash my feet. 309 00:22:46,185 --> 00:22:51,584 When Jesus wants to wash the disciples feet, Peter thinks he knows better 310 00:22:52,875 --> 00:22:55,455 and his pride won't let Jesus do it. 311 00:22:56,804 --> 00:23:01,004 And one of the things true humility means acknowledging and 312 00:23:01,004 --> 00:23:03,595 understanding that God knows best. 313 00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:08,550 Peter's pride is about to be humbled. 314 00:23:09,630 --> 00:23:11,310 He's gonna come and we'll see this. 315 00:23:11,310 --> 00:23:14,700 As these chapters go on, he's gonna come to the end of himself, 316 00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:17,010 the end of his own self will. 317 00:23:17,610 --> 00:23:22,620 You see, even though it was wrapped up in a kind of false humility, 318 00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:24,450 Jesus, I'll never let you do that. 319 00:23:24,690 --> 00:23:29,370 What we are experiencing there is pride and self will. 320 00:23:30,930 --> 00:23:35,580 When Jesus reminds him of the need to have his feet washed, Peter 321 00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:37,260 says, Then wash the whole of me. 322 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,120 Don't just stop at my feet. 323 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,930 Interesting how Jesus answers in verse 10. 324 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,260 Those who've had a bath and you don't need to wash the feet. 325 00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:49,560 Their whole body is clean and you are clean. 326 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,590 You see, Jesus is gonna make them clean through the fact 327 00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:58,110 that he would die on the cross. 328 00:23:58,110 --> 00:24:00,240 He was about to give his life. 329 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:06,135 Jesus was going to die in their place, but in your place and mine, that on 330 00:24:06,135 --> 00:24:10,875 the cross, Jesus was gonna take every sin, every wrongdoing, all of our 331 00:24:10,875 --> 00:24:16,544 selfishness, all the junk from our hearts, and place them on himself so 332 00:24:16,550 --> 00:24:22,844 that by having faith in him, we can be made new, forgiven, having a new start. 333 00:24:23,594 --> 00:24:29,685 And Peter wants, uh, Jesus wants Peter to know that it's, that that will make him 334 00:24:29,685 --> 00:24:32,264 clean, not just having his feet washed. 335 00:24:33,614 --> 00:24:39,705 But Jesus wants to do this, uh, as a, as a demonstration, but also a 336 00:24:39,705 --> 00:24:42,375 metaphor for what it is to lead. 337 00:24:42,375 --> 00:24:46,784 That to lead involves servanthood and humility. 338 00:24:47,354 --> 00:24:52,004 And that means, firstly, acknowledging that Jesus is Lord not us. 339 00:24:52,304 --> 00:24:55,784 It means acknowledging that his way is best not ours. 340 00:24:56,895 --> 00:25:01,455 It means acknowledging that we can no longer live in our own self will. 341 00:25:01,875 --> 00:25:09,525 If Jesus was the ultimate servant, then to follow his example, we need to embrace 342 00:25:09,525 --> 00:25:12,495 his humility and die to self will. 343 00:25:13,515 --> 00:25:19,515 Watchman Nee famously said, Attempting to follow Jesus without denying the 344 00:25:19,875 --> 00:25:22,695 self is the root of all failures. 345 00:25:23,085 --> 00:25:24,975 Peter was about to fail. 346 00:25:25,425 --> 00:25:27,255 He was about to deny Jesus. 347 00:25:27,255 --> 00:25:30,225 He was about to come to the end of his pride. 348 00:25:31,335 --> 00:25:38,835 Jesus was showing him and Jesus actions show us what true humility looked like. 349 00:25:39,165 --> 00:25:43,605 Jesus demonstrates the role of servant leadership. 350 00:25:43,635 --> 00:25:49,215 Wouldn't it be amazing if our politicians, if our business leaders, if as church 351 00:25:49,215 --> 00:25:55,565 leaders, we lived in such a way that demonstrated that we are firstly servants. 352 00:25:56,220 --> 00:26:02,460 It's the example Jesus gave, but Jesus gave a uh, a demonstration 353 00:26:02,730 --> 00:26:04,230 that was to be followed. 354 00:26:05,460 --> 00:26:10,350 That's point number three, that Jesus actions are for us to follow. 355 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,340 Verse 12, when he had finished washing their feet, he put on his 356 00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:16,350 clothes and returned to his place. 357 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,630 Do you understand what I've done for you? 358 00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:23,640 He asked them, You call me teacher and Lord and rightly so for that is what I am. 359 00:26:24,180 --> 00:26:29,580 Now that I the Lord and teacher have washed your feet, you should 360 00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:31,360 also wash one another's feet. 361 00:26:32,370 --> 00:26:36,990 I have set you an example and you should do as I've done for you. 362 00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:42,330 Very truly, I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor a messenger 363 00:26:42,330 --> 00:26:44,250 greater than the one who sent him. 364 00:26:44,790 --> 00:26:48,780 Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them. 365 00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:54,990 So Jesus expresses his love for his disciples by being with them. 366 00:26:55,170 --> 00:27:01,290 Jesus demonstrates his love for them by washing his feet, but he also 367 00:27:01,290 --> 00:27:04,860 gives them a command to do likewise. 368 00:27:05,070 --> 00:27:10,050 Leadership in the kingdom of God is ultimately about serving. 369 00:27:10,050 --> 00:27:13,650 We have the example of Jesus. 370 00:27:14,130 --> 00:27:18,680 Verse 13 there, You call me Lord and teacher, and rightly 371 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,730 so for that is what I am. 372 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,190 Now that I your Lord and teacher washed your feet, you should 373 00:27:26,190 --> 00:27:28,050 also wash one another's feet. 374 00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:33,810 If it was good enough for Jesus, then it's the example we should follow. 375 00:27:35,130 --> 00:27:42,270 You know, think about the examples of servanthood and humility in your life. 376 00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:47,460 You know, one of the things that strikes me is my father came as a migrant from 377 00:27:47,460 --> 00:27:54,495 Bangladesh and when he came, he basically spent his life, uh, working all kinds of 378 00:27:54,495 --> 00:28:00,885 jobs and worked hard because he wanted us to have a better life than he had. 379 00:28:00,915 --> 00:28:05,084 He wanted us to have the opportunities that we, he never had. 380 00:28:05,395 --> 00:28:10,245 He gave of himself because he wanted better for us. 381 00:28:10,665 --> 00:28:12,824 That's what a good father does. 382 00:28:12,824 --> 00:28:20,595 Now, sadly, a lot of fathers aren't that way, but Jesus set the example of what 383 00:28:20,595 --> 00:28:27,735 it is to give, to give of ourself, to give of our very best in a selfless way. 384 00:28:28,605 --> 00:28:31,604 I believe that in the kingdom of God, aspiring to be a 385 00:28:31,604 --> 00:28:34,305 servant is an end in itself. 386 00:28:34,365 --> 00:28:36,375 And I want to challenge you today. 387 00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:41,065 If you want to be a follower of Jesus that involves using whatever 388 00:28:41,070 --> 00:28:46,575 power, whatever influence, whatever responsibility you have, whatever 389 00:28:46,580 --> 00:28:52,185 privilege you have in life, my challenge is for you today, will you use it for 390 00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:56,025 yourself or will you use it for others? 391 00:28:56,445 --> 00:29:00,385 Jesus set the example of the ultimate sacrifice. 392 00:29:00,390 --> 00:29:03,795 We don't need to die in for anybody's sins. 393 00:29:03,795 --> 00:29:08,445 Jesus has done it for us, but like him, we need to be willing 394 00:29:08,625 --> 00:29:11,295 to come to the end of ourself. 395 00:29:11,295 --> 00:29:14,175 In that sense, we need to live for him. 396 00:29:15,675 --> 00:29:19,845 We need to act in humility and serve others. 397 00:29:20,805 --> 00:29:25,155 So does that mean we should all go around and, uh, basically have a, a 398 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,135 service where we wash each other's feet? 399 00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:28,345 Well, I don't think it's about that. 400 00:29:29,460 --> 00:29:34,020 What it's about is the example of Jesus willing to take on the 401 00:29:34,020 --> 00:29:37,500 lowest of tasks to serve others. 402 00:29:38,429 --> 00:29:41,399 I want to ask you, what does that look like for you? 403 00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:44,970 Are you willing to take on the lowest of tasks? 404 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,580 Maybe that means mowing someone's lawn. 405 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,290 Maybe it means letting others take the credit for the project at work. 406 00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:57,090 Maybe it means putting somebody else in the spotlight, allowing 407 00:29:57,090 --> 00:29:59,399 them to receive praise. 408 00:29:59,879 --> 00:30:02,550 Maybe it means cleaning someone's toilet. 409 00:30:03,690 --> 00:30:07,560 Maybe it might mean dropping someone else's kids off for them. 410 00:30:07,770 --> 00:30:11,850 Even when you've got a busy day, you see servanthood as 411 00:30:11,850 --> 00:30:14,370 the opposite of selfishness. 412 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,000 But also, maybe there's something more fundamental here. 413 00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:23,040 Maybe even the fact that Jesus gave the disciples his time or 414 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,720 to speak to us about servanthood through giving others our time. 415 00:30:28,690 --> 00:30:32,845 . Iknow for me it is very easy for me to be distracted. 416 00:30:32,845 --> 00:30:38,385 I have a short attention span, and maybe being a servant in terms of our 417 00:30:38,390 --> 00:30:42,675 leadership means giving the person in front of us our full attention. 418 00:30:42,825 --> 00:30:46,905 Maybe it means not looking at our phones while they're speaking. 419 00:30:47,685 --> 00:30:54,225 Maybe being a servant means being places on time, showing respect for others. 420 00:30:54,405 --> 00:30:59,295 Maybe it means being willing to do the hard work, manual grunt work. 421 00:30:59,295 --> 00:31:06,225 It might seem like to you, maybe it means like not asking people to do things that 422 00:31:06,225 --> 00:31:09,465 we are not prepared to do ourselves. 423 00:31:10,515 --> 00:31:14,775 You know, the church of Jesus is it's most beautiful when it is like him, 424 00:31:15,285 --> 00:31:18,505 and that is a church of servants. 425 00:31:19,064 --> 00:31:20,324 We don't really have time. 426 00:31:20,324 --> 00:31:24,284 But there's a beautiful passage in Philippians two verses one to 427 00:31:24,284 --> 00:31:28,965 11, which gives, which is in one sense a parallel passage to this. 428 00:31:29,294 --> 00:31:34,064 It shows how Jesus got up in John. 429 00:31:34,064 --> 00:31:35,205 It says, Jesus got up. 430 00:31:35,205 --> 00:31:39,774 Philippians two says, Jesus left the glories of heaven, this Passage 431 00:31:39,794 --> 00:31:42,375 John says, Jesus took off his robe. 432 00:31:43,304 --> 00:31:46,635 Philippians says, Jesus emptied himself and came as a man. 433 00:31:48,165 --> 00:31:50,175 John says, Jesus took up a towel. 434 00:31:50,205 --> 00:31:53,655 Jesus said, Uh, Philippians says, Jesus came as a servant. 435 00:31:56,385 --> 00:31:59,945 John shows us that Jesus poured water into a bowl. 436 00:32:01,615 --> 00:32:04,875 Jesus' example is that he poured out his life. 437 00:32:07,185 --> 00:32:10,004 Says in this passage in John, that when he finished washing 438 00:32:10,010 --> 00:32:12,375 the disciples feet, he sat down. 439 00:32:13,379 --> 00:32:18,000 Philippians tells us that Jesus, when God raised him, is 440 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,850 seated at the right hand of God. 441 00:32:22,169 --> 00:32:26,729 I wanna ask you, are you willing to follow the example of Jesus, that 442 00:32:27,330 --> 00:32:34,290 sacrificial love for God, sacrificial love for each other, and sacrificial 443 00:32:34,294 --> 00:32:36,570 love for a hurting and dying world? 444 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:44,729 Jesus love, verse one told us, was loving till the end complete, 445 00:32:45,149 --> 00:32:50,370 unending, not tokenistic, not convenient, but sacrificial. 446 00:32:50,370 --> 00:32:55,590 And I want to ask you, what's your response to King Jesus, 447 00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:57,209 the king who is a servant? 448 00:32:57,929 --> 00:33:03,479 Are you prepared to live a life of service to God and service to others? 449 00:33:04,020 --> 00:35:05,714 God bless you. 450 00:38:41,575 --> 00:39:03,065 Claire Glare: Welcome back. 451 00:39:05,610 --> 00:39:06,420 Matt Edmundson: Uh, Claire. 452 00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:07,260 Welcome back to me. 453 00:39:07,260 --> 00:39:08,520 I mean, no one else has gone anywhere. 454 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,050 We, we were the ones that left, I suppose. 455 00:39:10,050 --> 00:39:11,010 Just thinking about it. 456 00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:12,510 Uh, yes. 457 00:39:13,260 --> 00:39:14,370 Love that song. 458 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,530 Uh, and we're gonna get into the words of that hymn actually, 459 00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:17,970 cause hymn talked about sacrifice. 460 00:39:17,970 --> 00:39:20,670 Tony talked a lot about sacrifice, uh, in his talk. 461 00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:24,300 And today is Remembrance Sunday, where we remember the sacrifice of many people. 462 00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:24,990 Yeah. 463 00:39:25,020 --> 00:39:26,770 Uh, and so we're gonna get into all of that. 464 00:39:26,770 --> 00:39:30,675 Claire, It's been a while since you have heard from Tony. 465 00:39:30,765 --> 00:39:33,855 Uh, you were talking about this before we went online, weren't you? 466 00:39:33,855 --> 00:39:36,345 That it's been a wee while, Right. 467 00:39:36,795 --> 00:39:38,595 But what did you, what did you think to that talk? 468 00:39:39,325 --> 00:39:42,645 Claire Glare: I, you know, I just think, you know, their example down, 469 00:39:42,945 --> 00:39:44,495 they work down in London, don't they? 470 00:39:44,495 --> 00:39:44,815 In the church. 471 00:39:45,085 --> 00:39:48,345 I know that they do amazing things in their community. 472 00:39:48,345 --> 00:39:53,685 Just very practical, loving, um, kind serving stuff. 473 00:39:54,105 --> 00:39:56,925 Um, Tony and his wife and their team down there. 474 00:39:57,265 --> 00:39:58,815 So yeah, just brilliant. 475 00:39:59,265 --> 00:40:02,715 I think just to, there was something that really struck me. 476 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:07,095 You know, I think it's often the simplest things, you know, giving time and 477 00:40:07,095 --> 00:40:12,135 attention to people, you know, actually paying real attention to people doing. 478 00:40:12,615 --> 00:40:16,575 See the phrase, the song that was going through my head a little bit 479 00:40:17,115 --> 00:40:20,985 was not when I survey the Wondrous Cross, but um, How low can you go? 480 00:40:20,985 --> 00:40:21,825 Do you remember that one? 481 00:40:25,215 --> 00:40:30,405 Sorry I've completely gone off, off piece here, but just I think 482 00:40:30,525 --> 00:40:35,655 almost not a competition cause it isn't a competition, but trying 483 00:40:35,655 --> 00:40:37,655 to kind of outdo each other Yeah. 484 00:40:38,565 --> 00:40:43,215 As servant hearted and as love has given to do the lowest job, the 485 00:40:43,215 --> 00:40:44,925 job that nobody else wants to do. 486 00:40:45,165 --> 00:40:49,965 And I think that that is a real challenge, isn't it, to us just, um, 487 00:40:50,475 --> 00:40:54,315 Because there's always something more exciting or more fun to do, isn't there? 488 00:40:54,964 --> 00:40:58,785 Matt Edmundson: Um, there's always something that's more selfish to do. 489 00:40:58,794 --> 00:40:59,274 Yeah. 490 00:40:59,279 --> 00:41:02,984 And there's, I dunno about you, Claire, but I find there's never a 491 00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:05,774 shortage of, uh, selfish things to do. 492 00:41:06,254 --> 00:41:08,415 Uh, there's just an abundance of them. 493 00:41:08,565 --> 00:41:11,395 Uh, and so it's a really interesting one. 494 00:41:11,535 --> 00:41:13,424 I think I wanna get into some of the things that Tony said 495 00:41:13,424 --> 00:41:16,065 and one of the questions that Mims, Miriam's put in the post. 496 00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:18,044 I think it's a really interesting question cuz Tony. 497 00:41:20,055 --> 00:41:24,435 It sort of ends this sort of, uh, talk with, will you be more Christ like, 498 00:41:24,435 --> 00:41:25,845 will you, you know, will you do this? 499 00:41:25,845 --> 00:41:28,815 Will you, uh, become more servant minded? 500 00:41:28,815 --> 00:41:30,225 Which I think is a great question. 501 00:41:30,225 --> 00:41:33,195 And, you know, we talked about why that is, uh, but it's just 502 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,185 a really interesting question. 503 00:41:34,185 --> 00:41:35,355 Is it in terms of balance? 504 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,705 How do you do that? 505 00:41:37,125 --> 00:41:42,045 Uh, what is the balance between, uh, what's the fancy phrase everyone loves 506 00:41:42,045 --> 00:41:43,755 at the moment, which really winds me up? 507 00:41:43,755 --> 00:41:44,505 Self care. 508 00:41:44,625 --> 00:41:45,075 That's it. 509 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,035 Self love, self care. 510 00:41:46,605 --> 00:41:51,255 And you're just like, I'm do you know what I mean? 511 00:41:51,255 --> 00:41:53,235 It's like, no, no, no, I've got, this is what I mean. 512 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:56,835 There's not a, there's not a, a shyness in terms of selfishness 513 00:41:57,015 --> 00:41:57,765 in the world at the moment. 514 00:41:57,915 --> 00:42:02,085 And so I guess for a question for you, Claire, is how do 515 00:42:02,085 --> 00:42:03,345 you bring that balance, right? 516 00:42:03,345 --> 00:42:07,035 Because you've, you've done the missionary thing, you've given up your life and 517 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,985 gone into distant, far away lands. 518 00:42:08,985 --> 00:42:11,085 You're a, a beautiful lady. 519 00:42:11,085 --> 00:42:14,384 You're a beautiful mum, you're a wife, you're doing all these things, uh, 520 00:42:14,445 --> 00:42:16,215 for work, serving, helping people. 521 00:42:17,095 --> 00:42:17,445 Go. 522 00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:18,285 How do you do balance? 523 00:42:18,285 --> 00:42:18,465 Go. 524 00:42:23,415 --> 00:42:25,005 Claire Glare: Not quite sure there was a real question in 525 00:42:25,005 --> 00:42:26,435 that, but I'll do my best. 526 00:42:27,525 --> 00:42:31,755 Um, I think, can I read this bit from Philippians that I found and 527 00:42:32,025 --> 00:42:36,375 go for it and Tony mentioned it, but, um, yeah, I'm reading from 528 00:42:36,375 --> 00:42:37,755 the message from your bookshelf. 529 00:42:37,755 --> 00:42:39,285 Bookshelf, actually Matt. 530 00:42:40,005 --> 00:42:46,335 Um, but it was talking about, um, uh, if you've got anything out of 531 00:42:46,335 --> 00:42:48,670 all of, of being following Christ. 532 00:42:49,210 --> 00:42:52,710 If his love has made any difference in, in our lives. 533 00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:53,790 I'm paraphrasing. 534 00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:58,350 If being in a community of the spirit means anything to us, if we have a 535 00:42:58,350 --> 00:43:01,950 heart, if we care, then do me a favor. 536 00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:03,900 And I think it's Paul writing to the Philippians, isn't it? 537 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:04,520 Yeah. 538 00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:06,390 Agree with each other. 539 00:43:06,750 --> 00:43:07,920 Love each other. 540 00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:10,680 Be deep spirited friends. 541 00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:12,720 Don't push your way to the front. 542 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,360 Don't sweet talk your way to the top. 543 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,140 I love that. 544 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,220 And put yourself aside and help others get ahead. 545 00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:23,279 Don't be obsessed with getting your own advantage. 546 00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:27,640 Forget yourselves long enough to lend a helping hand. 547 00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:31,080 And I just thought that that really, uh, you know, Tony wanted 548 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,750 to sort of read it, but there's only so much time, isn't there? 549 00:43:34,110 --> 00:43:37,620 I think, you know, it's not about forgetting yourself in all of that. 550 00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:41,940 It's not about, you know, burning the candle at both ends and being so exhausted 551 00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:44,040 that you're, you know, you can't Yeah. 552 00:43:44,420 --> 00:43:45,630 get up on time. 553 00:43:45,630 --> 00:43:46,710 It's not about that. 554 00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:47,560 It's about. 555 00:43:48,555 --> 00:43:53,685 Um, I think it's about, for me, it's trying to listen to the voice of the 556 00:43:53,685 --> 00:44:01,485 Holy Spirit, um, uh, to, um, that little nudge, um, to, to say, Oh, 557 00:44:01,545 --> 00:44:06,255 there's a, just stop and just listen to that person for a bit longer. 558 00:44:06,585 --> 00:44:12,705 Um, or there's a, you know, just trying to find those moments to, to 559 00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:14,865 connect and to love people, I think. 560 00:44:14,865 --> 00:44:18,195 And, you know, in, in whatever way that might be. 561 00:44:18,195 --> 00:44:24,075 Whether it's, you know, giving something to somebody on the street or so, a 562 00:44:24,075 --> 00:44:29,475 stranger or, I think the challenge is even more with your family because 563 00:44:29,475 --> 00:44:31,315 they see the rough edges, don't they? 564 00:44:31,315 --> 00:44:31,955 Yeah, they do. 565 00:44:32,615 --> 00:44:36,795 And I'm particularly grumpy at night and that's when they need me 566 00:44:36,995 --> 00:44:43,295 Most I'm like, Just go bed, . I don't wanna read a story to you now. 567 00:44:43,715 --> 00:44:45,705 Matt Edmundson: Well, we best roll on with the live stream then. 568 00:44:45,705 --> 00:44:46,455 That's all I'm saying. 569 00:44:50,190 --> 00:44:51,060 That's not everyone. 570 00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:53,160 No, I think it's very true. 571 00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:55,050 Uh, it's it's fascinating, isn't it? 572 00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:57,240 It's not all about, uh, give, give, give. 573 00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:58,740 But it's not all about take, take, take. 574 00:44:58,740 --> 00:45:00,630 And there seems to be a balance, doesn't there? 575 00:45:00,635 --> 00:45:04,140 And Sharon's put here in the comments, do you think there's a place for 576 00:45:04,140 --> 00:45:06,840 self care in the Christian life? 577 00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:09,510 Cuz I appreciate that by a comment. 578 00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:12,780 We may have just ticked everybody off that thinks self care is important. 579 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,350 Claire Glare: I, I think we've, I think we're, I think there's 580 00:45:16,350 --> 00:45:17,520 a pendulum, isn't there? 581 00:45:17,850 --> 00:45:20,100 And I think a pendulum swing and I. 582 00:45:20,984 --> 00:45:27,015 I, I totally think that you have to look after yourself, you know, and you, um, 583 00:45:27,555 --> 00:45:33,845 you, you know, the love one another, you know, as yourself kind thing, you know? 584 00:45:33,845 --> 00:45:35,845 That is, that is a, that is a quote, isn't it? 585 00:45:35,845 --> 00:45:37,964 From the Jesus said it, so it's fine. 586 00:45:38,055 --> 00:45:38,685 He said it. 587 00:45:39,375 --> 00:45:42,285 You know, sometimes we, we quote Jesus and we, we get it wrong 588 00:45:42,285 --> 00:45:43,875 sometimes, but that is real one. 589 00:45:44,145 --> 00:45:48,794 And I think it, so, you know, you have to take care of yourself, don't you? 590 00:45:49,024 --> 00:45:53,535 You know, otherwise, you, But I, I think we are just, I think we are just 591 00:45:53,595 --> 00:45:55,725 reacting to the word self-care, aren't we? 592 00:45:55,725 --> 00:46:02,115 That we, Western world, it's been banded around a lot, and I think it is, I think 593 00:46:02,115 --> 00:46:07,424 sometimes it is an excuse for selfishness or, but I, you know, nine times outta 594 00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:14,160 10, it's, you know, you, you know your body tells you, you just need to stop. 595 00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:17,640 You know, even if it's half an hour, you know, get a little nap. 596 00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:19,500 I'm, I'm all about the daytime naps. 597 00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:21,420 Matt Edmundson: The day the power naps. 598 00:46:21,660 --> 00:46:22,140 Dun dun. 599 00:46:22,350 --> 00:46:23,280 No, I agree, Claire. 600 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:23,910 I think you're right. 601 00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:28,080 I think, um, regardless of what you want to call it, uh, and the 602 00:46:28,085 --> 00:46:31,140 reason why self-care winds me up is because it becomes an excuse not 603 00:46:31,140 --> 00:46:32,580 to do anything for anybody else. 604 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,630 Uh, and that's, I think why I've struggled with it as much as I have. 605 00:46:36,930 --> 00:46:36,990 Yeah. 606 00:46:37,530 --> 00:46:39,000 But the principles are still there. 607 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,830 Like you say, love one another as you love yourself, you know, treat others 608 00:46:43,830 --> 00:46:46,170 as you would want to be treated. 609 00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:50,130 There is this sort of, do not think of yourself more highly than you should. 610 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,760 Doesn't mean to think of yourself lowly, It's just not more highly than you should 611 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,890 help others get along, prefer others. 612 00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:56,370 Do, you know what I mean? 613 00:46:56,370 --> 00:47:00,720 It's that kind of, I think it's a really interesting thing, isn't it? 614 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,779 That actually there is this balance that we, that we have to fight. 615 00:47:04,229 --> 00:47:07,200 Uh, but as Christians actually the emphasis is more on servant. 616 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,490 And I think the whole concept of leadership being servant leadership is 617 00:47:11,490 --> 00:47:15,899 something without getting too political, that our political leaders, Oh, can we not 618 00:47:17,129 --> 00:47:19,950 our political leaders should definitely, Well, I'm quite happy to get political. 619 00:47:20,339 --> 00:47:23,129 Uh, but it's, it's, it's one of those things, isn't it? 620 00:47:23,129 --> 00:47:29,430 It's like Rishi Sunak who is the now prime Minister of the of Britain. 621 00:47:30,270 --> 00:47:31,680 What's my best advice for him? 622 00:47:31,770 --> 00:47:33,060 Be a servant, right? 623 00:47:33,060 --> 00:47:33,149 Yes. 624 00:47:33,154 --> 00:47:37,049 It's that kind of servant leadership is the best form of leadership. 625 00:47:37,049 --> 00:47:41,370 And I think self-serving leadership is always just caught out, isn't it? 626 00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:42,629 And we struggle with it. 627 00:47:43,259 --> 00:47:51,660 Um, and so yeah, it's one of those where I think, I think if you are in some form 628 00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:57,900 of leadership, Mm, asking yourself the question like, how, how do I, how well 629 00:47:57,900 --> 00:47:59,970 am I doing in the servant leader role? 630 00:47:59,970 --> 00:48:03,240 Is not a bad question to ask yourself. 631 00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:05,190 And how can I improve in that? 632 00:48:05,370 --> 00:48:05,580 Right? 633 00:48:05,610 --> 00:48:06,840 How can I, I do that. 634 00:48:07,530 --> 00:48:08,710 Tim Keller quoted. 635 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:10,250 Claire Glare: Wait. 636 00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:14,480 I've got a absolutely brilliant manager at work and, um, I've been 637 00:48:14,485 --> 00:48:17,400 so impressed with how she has set. 638 00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:23,280 Um, she just really recognizes like, when our team needs a bit of a break, 639 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,090 and she, one time she did a bit of self care with us, but it was lovely. 640 00:48:27,090 --> 00:48:28,200 She bought us little chocolates. 641 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,290 She bought us some hankies. 642 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,610 She bought us a few little things like that, but she, she 643 00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:34,800 also spent time thinking about. 644 00:48:36,990 --> 00:48:40,709 The individual qualities that we all brought to the team. 645 00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:45,270 And she just, it was just so thoughtful and from her heart, and I was just 646 00:48:45,276 --> 00:48:47,100 like, you're a brilliant manager. 647 00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:52,049 You know, you, you know, as far as I know, doesn't, doesn't know, uh, Jesus. 648 00:48:52,290 --> 00:48:56,910 Um, but, you know, it was really modeled great leadership to me. 649 00:48:56,990 --> 00:48:57,270 Yeah. 650 00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,149 Um, and I I love that. 651 00:49:00,359 --> 00:49:00,750 Matt Edmundson: Yeah. 652 00:49:00,810 --> 00:49:02,580 No, I, I think you're totally right. 653 00:49:02,609 --> 00:49:06,450 Um, Dionne's, putting the comments here, what do you think about servanthood 654 00:49:06,450 --> 00:49:08,189 being an attitude rather than an action? 655 00:49:08,189 --> 00:49:12,450 So it's more about our motivation rather than how much actual servant we do. 656 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,970 I quite, I like the idea. 657 00:49:15,450 --> 00:49:22,392 Um, and I, I'm very anti the, uh, the measurement grade Do You know what I mean? 658 00:49:22,439 --> 00:49:26,250 I've done 14 hours of, of serving this week, so therefore I've 659 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,439 checked that off in my checkbox. 660 00:49:28,439 --> 00:49:30,240 I don't, I'm not a big fan of that. 661 00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:33,240 Uh, and so I, I would agree that it starts with attitude. 662 00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:33,970 Dunno about you Claire. 663 00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:34,900 Claire Glare: Mm. 664 00:49:35,070 --> 00:49:35,460 Yeah. 665 00:49:35,460 --> 00:49:40,350 I mean, I, I do, but I, I think also kind of the proof 666 00:49:40,350 --> 00:49:41,490 of the puddings in the eating. 667 00:49:41,490 --> 00:49:46,259 I think if you don't, if you say stuff, you know, you talk, you talk the talk, but 668 00:49:46,259 --> 00:49:50,940 you don't walk the walk, you know, Again, it's that balance, isn't it of Yeah. 669 00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:51,420 It's good. 670 00:49:52,020 --> 00:49:58,500 You've, um, you, I think actions in a sense, speak louder for me. 671 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,410 Um, I'm a bit of an activist. 672 00:50:01,890 --> 00:50:03,380 Matt Edmundson: No, really, really, Claire. 673 00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:05,300 Claire Glare: Not so much of a thinker. 674 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:16,875 Um, and so I, you know, Do think, do ponder and then do it. 675 00:50:18,015 --> 00:50:18,194 Matt Edmundson: Yeah. 676 00:50:18,314 --> 00:50:19,785 But I think, I think, I think Dion's right? 677 00:50:19,785 --> 00:50:22,064 I think it's gotta come out, out of a right attitude. 678 00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:23,895 You know, Paul, Paul talks about this, isn't he? 679 00:50:23,895 --> 00:50:26,984 And he's like, If I do this, if I give away this and do that and do 680 00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:29,834 all these amazing things, but have a lot, not, don't have love, Yeah. 681 00:50:29,834 --> 00:50:33,464 Then I've become as a resounding gong or whatever the King James 682 00:50:33,464 --> 00:50:34,484 says, which is a great phrase. 683 00:50:35,115 --> 00:50:40,845 Um, and so yes, we don't, we don't wanti resounding gongs, we just, we don't want 684 00:50:40,845 --> 00:50:44,654 that hot air nonsense and dion's put here actually, our faith and works go 685 00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:45,915 hand in hand, which is totally right. 686 00:50:45,975 --> 00:50:48,495 Uh, and you know, you've, you've, you've gotta have both. 687 00:50:48,915 --> 00:50:53,685 So here's a question that I came across, um, when I quickly googled 688 00:50:54,075 --> 00:50:57,345 questions people have about servant leadership while Tony was doing his talk. 689 00:50:57,855 --> 00:50:59,685 And I thought this was a great question. 690 00:50:59,685 --> 00:51:04,035 Who do you serve who cannot repay you in any way? 691 00:51:04,345 --> 00:51:04,834 Yeah. 692 00:51:06,810 --> 00:51:07,319 Do, you know what I mean? 693 00:51:07,319 --> 00:51:09,960 That's a really fascinating question, isn't it? 694 00:51:10,919 --> 00:51:11,399 Claire Glare: Yeah. 695 00:51:11,759 --> 00:51:12,120 Yeah. 696 00:51:12,149 --> 00:51:15,330 Because I think, and I was thinking about the same sort of thing while 697 00:51:15,330 --> 00:51:20,399 Tony was speaking, that, that actually, if you are, and I think it's that 698 00:51:20,399 --> 00:51:22,649 sweet talk in your way to success. 699 00:51:22,859 --> 00:51:27,810 If we're, if we're, if we're doing things to people that we know can somehow, 700 00:51:28,020 --> 00:51:30,810 you know, scratch you, scratch my back and I'll scratch yours or the other 701 00:51:30,810 --> 00:51:34,980 way around, or whatever, you know, that's, that's not really serving is it? 702 00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:35,490 No. 703 00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:37,859 You know, But if you're doing things. 704 00:51:38,490 --> 00:51:40,770 What is it to the least of these? 705 00:51:40,770 --> 00:51:40,830 Yeah. 706 00:51:41,610 --> 00:51:46,620 Then you, you're doing it onto Jesus, you know, and I think I've 707 00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:50,160 actually had a couple of amazing examples of washing people's feet. 708 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,090 Shall I tell you very briefly about them? 709 00:51:52,180 --> 00:51:52,290 Matt Edmundson: Yeah. 710 00:51:52,290 --> 00:51:52,950 I'm curious now. 711 00:51:52,980 --> 00:51:53,890 Yeah, go for it. 712 00:51:54,570 --> 00:51:56,970 Claire Glare: I, it's actually one of my things that I really like to 713 00:51:56,970 --> 00:51:59,400 do, and I'm gonna slightly tweak it. 714 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,900 I'm gonna call it a pedicure rather than washing your feet because, and, 715 00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:09,840 but people are very, um, people don't like generally other strangers touching 716 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,490 their feet or, you know, but I've had some beautiful opportunities. 717 00:52:14,820 --> 00:52:17,910 Um, it was one time in the Democratic Republic of Congo. 718 00:52:18,435 --> 00:52:21,315 And another time in Kyrgystan, where I lived for a few years. 719 00:52:21,765 --> 00:52:25,755 And, um, I've just, and, and those were countries where people 720 00:52:25,755 --> 00:52:26,985 didn't have great footwear. 721 00:52:26,985 --> 00:52:32,805 So a bit like Jesus's, uh, time, you know, dodgy sandals and, you know, 722 00:52:32,895 --> 00:52:34,335 muddy floors and all the rest of that. 723 00:52:34,665 --> 00:52:38,025 But, and these women were just working so hard. 724 00:52:38,385 --> 00:52:42,405 Nobody ever gave them any time or, you know, they never would 725 00:52:42,405 --> 00:52:43,785 normally go for a pedicure. 726 00:52:43,785 --> 00:52:46,875 It wasn't that, those kind of places, they didn't have that sort of money. 727 00:52:47,235 --> 00:52:52,395 Um, you know, and, um, and it was just such a treat, you know, They were, they 728 00:52:52,395 --> 00:52:56,805 were embarrassed at the start, but then were just like, Oh, this is really lovely. 729 00:52:56,925 --> 00:52:57,285 Thank you. 730 00:52:57,645 --> 00:53:00,615 You know, And, uh, you know, and, and it's more blessed to give 731 00:53:00,615 --> 00:53:02,265 than it is to receive, isn't it? 732 00:53:02,265 --> 00:53:02,355 Mm-hmm. 733 00:53:02,595 --> 00:53:05,835 , you know, I think they have a good time, but actually I was having a better time. 734 00:53:06,135 --> 00:53:11,050 Um, you know, so, but I think it's trying to find those other ways, isn't it? 735 00:53:11,050 --> 00:53:14,235 Like Tony said, it's not actually about us all, you know, grabbing 736 00:53:14,235 --> 00:53:15,405 the towel around our waist. 737 00:53:15,455 --> 00:53:19,115 Can I wash your feet? 738 00:53:20,325 --> 00:53:21,525 Matt Edmundson: Knocking on your neighbor's door with 739 00:53:21,525 --> 00:53:23,145 a bucket, uh, and a sponge. 740 00:53:23,145 --> 00:53:23,805 No, it's not gonna work. 741 00:53:23,845 --> 00:53:25,194 Claire Glare: Is it Maundy Thursday today? 742 00:53:25,855 --> 00:53:26,794 Maundy Thursday. 743 00:53:26,855 --> 00:53:28,275 That's a great one, isn't it? 744 00:53:28,275 --> 00:53:30,045 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? 745 00:53:30,045 --> 00:53:33,555 And I, and I think the question right, was, you know, don't ask people to do 746 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,085 things that you personally wouldn't do. 747 00:53:35,090 --> 00:53:38,865 And I think everyone around you needs help. 748 00:53:38,955 --> 00:53:42,735 And it's understanding where you can help and you know where you, where that shape 749 00:53:42,735 --> 00:53:46,904 is or where that hole is that you can fill and be God's hands in that situation. 750 00:53:46,904 --> 00:53:47,795 I think it's interesting. 751 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:54,524 So Matt's put here, he regularly works with those who need, um, Dionne's 752 00:53:54,524 --> 00:53:57,375 put, she volunteers for domestic abuse charity, which is amazing. 753 00:53:57,555 --> 00:53:59,834 And I think it's one of the, I just wanna give a shout out to my 754 00:53:59,834 --> 00:54:00,915 Christian brothers and sisters here. 755 00:54:00,915 --> 00:54:01,964 I'm gonna get the figures wrong. 756 00:54:01,970 --> 00:54:04,245 Sharon's gonna shout at me, but you know what, I'm gonna do it anyway 757 00:54:04,845 --> 00:54:05,955 and I'll face it to it later. 758 00:54:05,955 --> 00:54:08,145 I think Sharon was telling me she was in listening to a guy 759 00:54:08,145 --> 00:54:09,285 talk about the third sector. 760 00:54:09,375 --> 00:54:13,785 So the charity sector here in the uk and the Christian 761 00:54:13,785 --> 00:54:15,734 population apparently is about 2%. 762 00:54:15,944 --> 00:54:17,444 Uh, in the UK it's not huge. 763 00:54:17,654 --> 00:54:21,285 We would say, I, I would, you know, England in effect is a Christian country, 764 00:54:21,285 --> 00:54:25,694 but those who would be professing, uh, active Christians who would some have some 765 00:54:25,694 --> 00:54:30,194 kind of active faith rather than as being Christian by sort of a natural response 766 00:54:30,194 --> 00:54:33,254 or, you know, heritage, it's about 2%. 767 00:54:33,254 --> 00:54:35,084 So it's a small part of the population. 768 00:54:35,984 --> 00:54:43,754 Uh, but Christians make up around, I think it was 60% of the workforce in 769 00:54:43,975 --> 00:54:45,615 the third sector, in the charity sector. 770 00:54:46,214 --> 00:54:50,415 Um, and so, you know, the church for all its faults and problems, Yeah. 771 00:54:50,685 --> 00:54:53,325 Is just full of people who wanna serve and help. 772 00:54:53,774 --> 00:54:53,865 Yeah. 773 00:54:53,895 --> 00:54:56,294 Uh, and so big up to my Christian brothers and sisters. 774 00:54:56,294 --> 00:54:58,305 If you do work in the third sector, it's amazing. 775 00:54:58,305 --> 00:55:01,214 And I think we should keep doing that, uh, and keep serving. 776 00:55:01,305 --> 00:55:04,544 Uh, and it's important, uh, it's the highest form of leadership and I think 777 00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:05,924 it has a big impact on the nation. 778 00:55:05,924 --> 00:55:08,855 Claire Glare: So, and, and it really does. 779 00:55:09,015 --> 00:55:12,765 I think we really, the, the church does really punch above its weight in. 780 00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:18,060 Um, metaphorically, but I think also there's that challenge to all of 781 00:55:18,060 --> 00:55:23,069 us, to not kind of be Jesus or be the savior, be the one with all the 782 00:55:23,075 --> 00:55:28,290 answers, but to actually ask people, Well actually how can I serve you? 783 00:55:28,620 --> 00:55:33,630 And humility to think, Oh yeah, um, well I think that they might need 784 00:55:33,630 --> 00:55:37,980 this, but actually let me talk to them and maybe they maybe might need that. 785 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:39,450 Um, or something else. 786 00:55:39,455 --> 00:55:44,850 Or maybe I'm not the person who can help them, but either I can pray or I can give 787 00:55:44,850 --> 00:55:50,400 financially or I can suggest to somebody else, Oh, you're really good at this. 788 00:55:50,404 --> 00:55:51,060 Could you do this? 789 00:55:51,060 --> 00:55:51,120 Yeah. 790 00:55:51,509 --> 00:55:51,750 Yeah. 791 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:58,259 Um, we don't, you know, working together as the church is, is brilliant in that. 792 00:55:58,770 --> 00:55:59,069 Matt Edmundson: Yeah. 793 00:55:59,075 --> 00:56:00,240 And that's what we should be doing, right? 794 00:56:00,245 --> 00:56:02,370 That's what we should be doing in, in community. 795 00:56:02,375 --> 00:56:06,150 And so, ah, love the conversation. 796 00:56:06,154 --> 00:56:09,600 It's, um, , this, this whole thing. 797 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:10,590 You know, why do we do it? 798 00:56:10,590 --> 00:56:11,819 Why do we do the certain thing? 799 00:56:11,819 --> 00:56:14,220 And Tony talked about it, you know, Jesus modeled it, didn't he? 800 00:56:14,220 --> 00:56:15,480 This was his whole deal. 801 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,960 And in that song we sang all the vain things that show me most. 802 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,940 I sacrificed them to his blood. 803 00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:24,779 In other words, let me lay down selfishness. 804 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,029 That's my sacrifice. 805 00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:30,840 And let me take up, uh, the call of Christ, which is servanthood. 806 00:56:30,990 --> 00:56:31,600 Mm-hmm.. 807 00:56:31,685 --> 00:56:34,140 I'm not, don't get me wrong, I'm not brilliant at this. 808 00:56:34,170 --> 00:56:35,250 I am getting better. 809 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,360 Um, I am, you are. 810 00:56:37,529 --> 00:56:40,110 I am getting better over the years. 811 00:56:40,529 --> 00:56:42,660 Um, so yes. 812 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,000 Uh, servanthood. 813 00:56:44,009 --> 00:56:49,680 So I think we will end that conversation there cuz looking at time, I, if we, 814 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,060 if I don't, we're just gonna carry on. 815 00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:52,830 We'll say you just looking at time. 816 00:56:52,830 --> 00:56:52,980 Don't. 817 00:56:55,890 --> 00:56:56,279 Brilliant. 818 00:56:56,700 --> 00:57:01,200 Uh, so servant leadership, I hope you got something out of this today. 819 00:57:01,620 --> 00:57:03,480 One, can I get a little bit political? 820 00:57:03,569 --> 00:57:04,170 Would that be right? 821 00:57:04,170 --> 00:57:05,640 And without taking up too much time, 822 00:57:06,149 --> 00:57:06,779 Claire Glare: You know me, 823 00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:08,009 Matt Edmundson: Let's do it. 824 00:57:08,310 --> 00:57:12,419 So if you don't know, uh, Claire was a labor counselor, so you've 825 00:57:12,419 --> 00:57:14,819 definitely got political in your, in your time, haven't you? 826 00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:17,879 One of the things that I saw just in Wellsby, who is the Archbishop 827 00:57:17,884 --> 00:57:21,060 of Canterbury, who in theory is the senior, most senior person in the 828 00:57:21,060 --> 00:57:24,629 Church of England, in the uk, in the world, I think in the world. 829 00:57:24,629 --> 00:57:25,830 Is he the top bloke? 830 00:57:25,830 --> 00:57:26,939 We've met him a couple of times. 831 00:57:26,939 --> 00:57:27,330 Have you met him? 832 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:28,350 Met him a couple of times. 833 00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:31,020 Uh, lovely chap. 834 00:57:31,350 --> 00:57:37,500 Liz May, No, not Liz May, Liz Truss, uh, our shortest ever prime minister, uh, 835 00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:42,060 who didn't have a particularly, uh, good time in office, let's put it that way. 836 00:57:42,064 --> 00:57:44,730 It was fraud, uh, to say, to say the least. 837 00:57:45,330 --> 00:57:46,470 So she resigns. 838 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,270 Justin writes on Twitter, just paying for Liz, uh, praying for Liz. 839 00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:51,819 Right. 840 00:57:51,819 --> 00:57:52,549 Good man. 841 00:57:53,489 --> 00:57:55,815 Well, you should see the comments that came out of that. 842 00:57:56,145 --> 00:57:56,475 Yeah. 843 00:57:56,475 --> 00:57:59,295 There was a lot of hatred and anger towards that very comment. 844 00:57:59,295 --> 00:58:00,135 Why would you pray for her? 845 00:58:00,135 --> 00:58:01,545 She's caused all this chaos. 846 00:58:01,875 --> 00:58:05,835 What about praying for those that are poor or needy and just absolutely having 847 00:58:05,835 --> 00:58:10,155 a go at Justin because he said she served. 848 00:58:10,245 --> 00:58:11,505 Therefore, I'm gonna pray. 849 00:58:11,535 --> 00:58:12,885 And that's not his exact words. 850 00:58:12,885 --> 00:58:15,075 You'll have to read what he said on Twitter, um, himself. 851 00:58:15,075 --> 00:58:16,995 And it was quite, you know, it wasn't, I thought it was 852 00:58:16,995 --> 00:58:18,285 lovely actually what he said. 853 00:58:19,185 --> 00:58:21,735 And I thought, actually this is a really interesting point. 854 00:58:21,735 --> 00:58:26,985 Regardless of your political affiliation, especially in times like this as 855 00:58:26,990 --> 00:58:30,645 Christians, before you have an opinion about the party politics, you have to 856 00:58:30,645 --> 00:58:32,145 be praying for that political leader. 857 00:58:32,355 --> 00:58:32,965 Mm-hmm. 858 00:58:32,965 --> 00:58:33,245 Right? 859 00:58:33,245 --> 00:58:33,565 Mm-hmm. 860 00:58:33,615 --> 00:58:37,065 And you still have to remember, uh, that these people are serving, 861 00:58:37,275 --> 00:58:39,015 maybe it's out of selfish ambition. 862 00:58:39,075 --> 00:58:40,365 Claire Glare: Maybe it's family. 863 00:58:40,370 --> 00:58:43,365 She's got teenage daughters who must be going to school and everyone's 864 00:58:43,365 --> 00:58:44,925 going, Eh, look at your mom. 865 00:58:45,075 --> 00:58:50,595 You know, all of that is tough in it and absolutely need to pray for our leaders. 866 00:58:51,150 --> 00:58:51,570 Matt Edmundson: Yeah. 867 00:58:51,570 --> 00:58:55,110 And be thankful for those that, um, are in public office. 868 00:58:55,110 --> 00:58:57,420 So there we go. 869 00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:58,890 Politics over. 870 00:59:01,930 --> 00:59:05,040 I saw that and just thought, I can't believe people are responding like this. 871 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:09,360 It's a really odd way to respond, but still, it may be the mood 872 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:10,590 of the nation in some respects. 873 00:59:10,660 --> 00:59:10,940 Mm-hmm. 874 00:59:11,020 --> 00:59:11,300 . Mm-hmm. 875 00:59:11,380 --> 00:59:13,590 . Um, so Claire, what's coming up next week? 876 00:59:14,145 --> 00:59:15,645 I did tell you, I wanna know if you remembered. 877 00:59:16,575 --> 00:59:22,325 Claire Glare: Whether I was listening . So Sharon is gonna be continuing in John. 878 00:59:23,004 --> 00:59:24,665 We dunno what passage it is. 879 00:59:24,875 --> 00:59:27,615 It it is, Sorry, that sounded like a swear word there. 880 00:59:27,615 --> 00:59:28,384 I'm sorry about that. 881 00:59:29,654 --> 00:59:31,755 I'm sure it'll be amazing cuz Sharon's fabulous. 882 00:59:32,085 --> 00:59:36,645 And then, and Rachel Marshall is, Oh, am I meant to name, names, Surname? 883 00:59:36,645 --> 00:59:37,225 I don't know. 884 00:59:37,230 --> 00:59:37,515 Sure. 885 00:59:37,755 --> 00:59:39,105 Uh, we put it on the screen, so. 886 00:59:39,435 --> 00:59:40,345 Oh, right, okay. 887 00:59:40,755 --> 00:59:43,815 Um, she's gonna be hosting with you or by herself? 888 00:59:43,815 --> 00:59:44,805 Is she doing it or by herself? 889 00:59:45,195 --> 00:59:48,765 Matt Edmundson: Uh, probably me, Uh, maybe somebody else. 890 00:59:48,765 --> 00:59:51,585 We're looking at rotas at the moment, so I'm not entirely sure, 891 00:59:51,585 --> 00:59:52,935 but we know that Rachel is on it. 892 00:59:53,145 --> 00:59:54,765 So you'll be in safe hands. 893 00:59:55,095 --> 00:59:55,965 Well, so yes. 894 00:59:56,430 --> 01:00:00,090 Uh, the Power Twins, uh, Rach and Sharon next week. 895 01:00:00,150 --> 01:00:00,660 Oh yes. 896 01:00:00,660 --> 01:00:01,710 You're not gonna want to miss it. 897 01:00:01,710 --> 01:00:02,970 So do join us. 898 01:00:03,330 --> 01:00:05,430 If you haven't done this already, head over to the website. 899 01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:10,890 Sign up for the newsletter, um, and we will email you, uh, every week with 900 01:00:10,890 --> 01:00:14,760 what's going on, the links, the transcript notes and all that sort of stuff. 901 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:15,300 So Cool. 902 01:00:15,390 --> 01:00:16,560 Come straight through to your inbox. 903 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,050 We're getting our newsletters to be a little bit better and 904 01:00:19,050 --> 01:00:20,150 a little bit more interesting. 905 01:00:20,370 --> 01:00:23,370 Obviously, make sure you subscribe to what's the story. 906 01:00:23,580 --> 01:00:27,270 We didn't actually manage to get that podcast out this week, but it will be out. 907 01:00:28,620 --> 01:00:32,820 Uh, next week as in starting tomorrow, uh, Monday we've got a guy called Brett Curry. 908 01:00:32,825 --> 01:00:36,450 His story is gonna be released then Mark Mitchell, uh, from 909 01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,790 the, uh, Mitchell Mazda fame. 910 01:00:38,790 --> 01:00:41,580 So yes, he's gonna be on the podcast here. 911 01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,030 Yeah, All amazing people. 912 01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:46,720 So they're coming to What's the story. 913 01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:51,340 All that information is on the website www.crowd.church. 914 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:52,290 I can put it on the screen. 915 01:00:52,290 --> 01:00:52,590 There you go. 916 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,200 Or you can connect with us via social media. 917 01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:56,160 Crowd Church. 918 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,270 We would love to hear from you. 919 01:00:57,690 --> 01:01:01,590 We do have a midweek group on Wednesdays if you'd like to come join in. 920 01:01:01,620 --> 01:01:04,830 And we pray, uh, in that group that. 921 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,950 Just a heads up, there are gonna be some changes coming to the Crowd 922 01:01:07,950 --> 01:01:09,630 Church livestream in the coming weeks. 923 01:01:09,630 --> 01:01:11,430 We will keep you updated on that. 924 01:01:11,490 --> 01:01:12,330 All things get, Yeah. 925 01:01:12,330 --> 01:01:12,660 Yeah. 926 01:01:12,660 --> 01:01:15,900 Oh, uh, things are gonna be getting better hopefully. 927 01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:16,350 So. 928 01:01:16,380 --> 01:01:17,190 Uh, yes. 929 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:18,120 Fantastic. 930 01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:20,700 I'm just looking down the comments cuz Matt Crew normally reminds 931 01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:21,870 me of stuff that I've forgotten. 932 01:01:22,955 --> 01:01:23,515 Right. 933 01:01:25,335 --> 01:01:26,265 He's awesome at that. 934 01:01:26,325 --> 01:01:30,225 Uh, so I think I've told them, Matt, tell me if I've missed anything because, 935 01:01:30,645 --> 01:01:32,445 uh, I don't think that I have right now. 936 01:01:32,835 --> 01:01:35,025 Uh, so yeah, Dionne have a great week. 937 01:01:35,055 --> 01:01:36,465 Everyone's in there saying, Have a great week. 938 01:01:36,525 --> 01:01:39,615 Uh, so thank you everybody for joining us comments. 939 01:01:39,620 --> 01:01:41,775 Claire, thank you for hosting with me. 940 01:01:42,225 --> 01:01:44,205 It's been the first time you and I have hosted. 941 01:01:45,735 --> 01:01:47,755 We should have to do it again sometime. 942 01:01:48,915 --> 01:01:49,545 Fantastic. 943 01:01:49,875 --> 01:01:51,345 All right folks, have a fantastic week. 944 01:01:51,350 --> 01:01:53,415 God bless you, and we will see you next week. 945 01:01:53,715 --> 01:01:54,225 Bye for now.