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Have you had enough of running your own business?

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Have you had enough of architecture all together?

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Maybe lately you've been tempted to jack it all in and get a job, but how

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do you know if it's really time for you to call it quits and will getting

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a job actually make you any happier?

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Are there any alternatives?

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That's exactly what we'll be exploring in this episode of Architecture

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Business Club, the weekly podcast for small firm founders who want to build

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their dream business in architecture and enjoy more freedom, flexibility,

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and fulfillment in what they do.

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I'm John Clayton, your host.

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Having spent over 20 years working in architecture, I know how hard it can

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be to explain your services so people truly understand and value what you do.

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Many firms struggle with this, but by sharing your stories on podcasts,

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you can become the trusted voice in your market, grow your brand,

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and attract much better clients.

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We can help you with everything from podcast strategy and launch

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production and management, podcast hosting and guesting through to

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promoting and growing your show.

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If you'd like to discover how podcasting could benefit your business, click the

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link in the show notes to book a noob obligation chat about working with me.

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Or if you're interested in being a guest on this show, Imon John.

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That's JO n@architecturebusinessclub.com.

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Now, let's explore if it's really time for you to quit.

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hey, thanks for joining me today.

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We are going to be looking at quitting.

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We're gonna explore whether or not it's time for you to quit

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the business of architecture.

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So this might sound like a bit of a heavy topic, but I think it's an important one.

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You might be listening to this now and this might be something that's

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weighing down on your mind right now.

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So I wanna try and help you with that.

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So firstly, let's begin by considering, what are some of the signs that

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might be indicating that it is time for you to quit your business?

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It could be because the market has changed.

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There's been shifts in the market, maybe down to new technologies or increased

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competition in your local market.

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That's maybe just making your previous or current business model obsolete.

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Just think of some of the huge changes, particularly uh, in the uk some of the

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changes that we've had in recent years.

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We've had Brexit, we've had COVID ID we've had we rising building costs, we

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have labor shortages, we've got cost of materials going through the roof.

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We've had the introduction of the Building Safety Act.

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We've got the rise of ai.

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All of these things might be impacting the viability of your business, so maybe

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the way that you did things before.

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Needs to change.

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Maybe it isn't gonna work the way that you did it before.

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The other thing that might have changed is just your personal situation.

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Maybe if your personal situation has changed, that business model

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doesn't work anymore for the future.

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So it could be that there have been some health issues, or maybe

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you've got changing family needs that mean that what's stacked

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up before is no longer viable.

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And you just may need to prioritize other aspects of your life right now.

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Maybe a business hasn't been generating enough money.

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Maybe it's just not generating enough income, or you've constantly

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been running at a loss with no clear path to profitability.

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Maybe you are lacking in passion for your business.

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Perhaps you just don't enjoy doing it anymore.

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Maybe you've lost that drive for your business, that drive that you had at

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the very beginning, that excitement when you started your business.

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Maybe that's, that's fizzled away.

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If that's the case, it may be difficult for you to make the big changes that

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might be needed for you to be able to make the business viable again, and for

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you to work through those challenges.

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Maybe your business is making you unhappy or unwell when you are.

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Work is making you unhappy or it's constantly impacting your wellbeing.

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This is not a good situation to be in.

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So if you're feeling constantly stressed or exhausted, you are going to struggle to

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make sound decisions about your business and your business will inevitably suffer.

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Or maybe you're just feeling at the end of your tether that nothing you've tried

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lately seems to have worked despite all of your best efforts, you just can't seem to

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find a way to get your business to work.

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So there's a lot of reasons why you might consider quitting closing

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your business, but does quitting mean that you are a failure?

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Thomas Edison once said,

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I have not failed.

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I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.

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When things don't work as you expect, you can see it as a failure, which

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means your business is a failure.

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Thus you are a failure, or at least that's how you feel, or you can see

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each failure as a learning opportunity and experiment a positive step.

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You might have heard people talking about failing fast or failing forward.

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When you reframe how you think about failure, failure

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actually becomes a good thing.

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As the more you fail, the faster you can figure out how you can succeed.

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So you either win or you learn.

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You never lose.

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So maybe now you're thinking, okay, so quitting or closing my business,

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that doesn't mean that I'm a failure, but you might still feel like your

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business is your baby and you're just not sure that you can let it go.

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Remember, babies eventually grow up and leave home, but I get it though.

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You've put blood, sweat, and tears into making your business work, so I understand

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why you don't want to let it go.

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But if your business is losing money or it's making you unhappy, something

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really does need to change your business.

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Doesn't have to be forever.

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Yes, it would be lovely if your business grew and grew to create a

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lifelong legacy for you and your family.

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And if your business model is right, you can have that.

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Others certainly do.

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There's lots of other examples of this.

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But that's not the aim of most individuals that start a business.

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Most people start a business because they want more freedom, flexibility,

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and fulfillment in what they do.

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They're not thinking about building out a big corporation

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and creating a future legacy.

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That's not usually the motivations and reasons why most people do it.

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So does your business give you those things right now?

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Do you have the level of flexibility that you really wanted?

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Are you feeling fulfilled enough?

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Do you truly feel like you're free?

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If you've answered no to any of those questions, you are not alone.

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I. Most small business owners feel cheated at some point after starting

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up, usually because they've made the mistake of creating another

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job rather than a business.

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And this time with the world's worst boss.

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Yeah, that's right.

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I'm talking about you.

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If you want to learn more about why most small businesses don't work, then

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pick up a copy of the E-Myth Revisited.

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A great book by Michael e Gerber.

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So if your business doesn't seem to stack up anymore, there is

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no shame in closing it down.

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That doesn't take away all of the good things that you've achieved

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throughout the course of its life.

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You can look at it like a chapter that's closing.

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So a new, more exciting, more appealing chapter can begin.

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Bear in mind though that closing a business isn't without cost.

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It will take time and money.

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You'll have winding up costs like accounting fees, maybe legal fees.

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You'll need to settle any outstanding debts that you have if you have a

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loan or a business credit card, and you'll likely have to pay for runoff,

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professional indemnity insurance.

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So before you rush to go and close down your business.

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I'd like you to just step back from the brink and consider your options,

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and you really have three options.

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You can stay, you can stop, or you can start.

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So let's look at each of those in turn.

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So to stay is to continue on as you are.

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It's the status quo, and this might feel like the safest option, even though that

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right now your business is not providing enough income or enough security or enough

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fulfillment for you, but it is familiar.

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It's what you know.

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It's what you've been doing.

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And there's probably a little voice in your head that says, hang

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on in there, because next year things are going to be better.

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If I can just hang on there long enough, things will turn around for the better.

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So in the short term, this may feel like the best option, certainly the least

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painful as you won't have to put your big pants on and face up to the fact.

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That your business isn't really viable right now.

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You won't have to make any big, scary, life changing decisions, but in doing

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nothing and avoiding that painful stuff, you will delay any positive change.

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So it's like accepting a slow death instead of just ripping off the bandaid.

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I've had firsthand experience of this, of hoping my business would improve

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if I just hung in there long enough.

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When my family and I relocated to Norfolk in 2016, my work really slowed down.

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We'd moved to a small market town and compared to where we used to live.

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There was twice as many competitors and less than half the number of properties

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locally, so that was less than half the number of prospective clients.

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Now, that in itself should have raised some major alarm bells.

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I did have concerns, but in my usual, optimistic way, I thought.

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This is gonna be fine.

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Like things will come good.

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I just need to make a few little tweaks.

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So I made tweaks to my website.

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I changed my branding, I updated my offers in reality.

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All too little avail at the time.

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These felt like big changes to me, but in hindsight, I hadn't

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really changed anything at all except maybe the window dressing.

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I mean, after all, I was still trying to sell exactly the same thing, architectural

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services to homeowners that were maybe planning home renovations or home

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extension projects, and that was in a local market where there just was not

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enough demand for that particular service.

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I spent the next seven years struggling to make this work.

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Seven years of inconsistent and insufficient cash flow.

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Seven years of growing frustration, seven years of uncertainty for me and my family.

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Seven years of staying the same.

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Finally, I realized and accepted that my business wasn't

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viable in its current form.

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That what had worked where we used to live just didn't work in our new location,

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that there just wasn't enough of those domestic clients locally to go round.

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So the size of the opportunity just wasn't big enough for me.

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I ask you, do you want seven more years of not enough, or do you

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want things to change quicker?

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If you want to avoid the prolonged pain that I've been through, staying the

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same really isn't an option for you.

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So what else can you do?

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So probably the scariest option is to stop to close your business.

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So this is the scariest thing you could do, but it's also the bravest and it's

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the one that affords you a clean slate.

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Imagine how freeing it would feel to be free of all of the bad stuff that you've

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been having to deal with on your own.

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No more demanding clients.

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No more unreliable income.

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No more wearing a dozen different hats.

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No more stress.

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No more sleepless nights or unhappiness, and no more burnout.

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You could get a job.

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You've already been looking at job ads.

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You could get paid more working for someone else than

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you pay yourself right now.

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You'd also get proper holidays where you could fully switch off and

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you'd finish work on time every day.

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Finding clients would be.

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Someone else's responsibility again, and you'd never have to do the tasks that

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you hate, like bookkeeping ever again.

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And social media, I mean, you really hated doing social media.

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That would be somebody else's job too.

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It sounds lovely, doesn't it?

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Yeah.

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Sounds great.

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Why would you ever want to run your own business again when

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you could have a job like that?

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And I agree, it sounds very enticing, but let's take a reality check.

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Is that really a balanced, realistic view of being employed?

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I mean, how likely is it that you are actually going to land a perfect job?

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That dream job that I've just described, and let's be really honest about this.

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There's no such thing as a perfect job.

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If there was, you would've never have started your own

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business in the first place.

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There are just some jobs that are better than other jobs.

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Being employed, there may still be tasks that you have to do that you

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really don't like, and you might still have to work late sometimes.

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Or you might have to miss out on something to attend a work

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meeting or to meet a work deadline.

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So ultimately it's going to be a trade off, but there are definitely things you

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could gain by being employed depending on what your current situation is.

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But what is it that you stand to lose if you worked for another company?

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What would you miss about working for yourself?

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I. Well, for me, I'd miss being able to work from a coffee shop whenever I

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like, or being able to choose my working hours to suit my own energy levels

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and to fit around my family so I never miss things like the kids' sports day.

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I'd also miss being fully in control of my availability for meetings and

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calls, having full autonomy over creative decisions and what personal and

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professional development I choose to do.

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These sorts of things are often the reasons why we start our own

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business in the first place, but sometimes we can lose sight of this.

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So I'd love to know.

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Why did you start your own business?

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How did that come about?

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What were the reasons behind it?

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Because thinking about that, again, might just give you clarity on whether

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you should close your business and get a job, or if you should change

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your business, which leads us on to, to start to start something new.

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So if you've accepted that things do need to change, but you're still

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sitting on the fence about closing your business and looking for a job,

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this might be the best option for you.

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And the good news is you don't need to go for the nuclear option

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of closing your business down.

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Instead, you can pivot, you could start serving a new market.

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You could offer new services or change your business model entirely.

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I. You could go into a completely different line of work using

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the same limited company that you've already set up.

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Did you know that you can use a different trading name to your limited company

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name, or that if you wanted to change your limited company name or your business

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category with company's house in the uk, it's quick and easy to do it, and if

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you're a sole trader, it's even easier.

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And if you're a sole practitioner.

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You don't have to get permission from multiple stakeholders or have

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to consider how your new business direction affects your employees.

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You just need to decide on what needs to change, make

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those changes and get started.

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So changing things can be much easier and quicker than perhaps you might think.

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Plus, if you've been in business for a while, you'll have a wealth of data you

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can use to give yourself a head start.

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And if you tried lots of things already that haven't worked, that's great.

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You now know what not to do.

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But what else haven't you tried?

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Can you see another way forward with your business?

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Do you have ideas for a new service or for a new business model?

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If you're not 100% sure, you don't even have to go a hundred percent all in.

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You can keep doing a bit of what you do now or what you did

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previously alongside something new.

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Experiment.

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Have some fun.

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Smell what sells.

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Keep doing what works and ditch what doesn't.

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Now, I shared with you earlier how I realized that my own architecture

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business needed to change.

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I realized after seven years of struggle that if I wanted my architecture

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business to thrive, I'd need to widen my niche to include non-domestic projects

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like most traditional local firms.

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Or I'd need to widen the area that I served, or I would need to do

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something completely different.

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Honestly, the idea of being a generalist practiced it.

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It really didn't appeal to me.

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I enjoyed working with homeowners and it would mean accepting other

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local inquiries that I'd previously been very happy to keep turning away.

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Things like.

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Plans for agricultural buildings or planning permission for an

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illuminated sign over a local takeaway, like stuff like that.

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Like just stuff that really didn't light me up.

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Widening the area that I served.

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Also felt really tricky because most of the clients that I'd had contact with

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preferred working with local providers.

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I felt that I'd have to become amazingly good at architectural design to

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attract clients from further afield.

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I was certainly competent at design, but not exceptional.

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This felt like too much of a stretch, and I also didn't feel

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brave enough to close my business.

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So the change that I decided to make was, in hindsight, quite unconventional.

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I decided to launch this podcast to be more visible, to build my personal brand.

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I did it because for a long time I'd wanted to help other people like me.

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People who had started their own business in architecture and then discovered

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it was harder than they ever realized.

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That there was all this other stuff they needed to learn about,

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like business sales and marketing.

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I thought that over time that this could lead to new revenue streams.

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And if I'm really honest, at the time I just didn't know what else to do.

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I'd love the idea of podcasting for years, but I'd never felt brave enough to do it.

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But I got to the point where launching this podcast felt less scary than

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the other options The option of closing my business and certainly

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more appealing than working on projects that didn't light me up.

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So I planned to carry on accepting domestic client projects until I'd

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figured out a new way to make a living.

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I thought this would take three months or so.

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In reality, it took around 18 months to figure out what my next

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chapter would be and how I would make a living in the future.

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And I'll be honest with you, it's been really hard.

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It wasn't until CIAT asked me to produce their Where it's at podcast that I

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finally realized what I wanted to do.

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I wanted to help other businesses get into podcasting, particularly those operating

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in and around the world of architecture.

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And it just clicked.

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It felt right.

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It was the first time in years that I felt excited about my work again,

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and I felt completely confident in my abilities to help them.

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Turns out, without realizing it, in building this podcast,

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I'd built my portfolio.

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I guess sometimes your niche really does choose you, so back to you.

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I'd consider how you're feeling right now and what you would feel like in

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a year's time if nothing had changed for you or if things had gotten even

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worse, what would that do to you?

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What would it do to your finances?

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What would it do to your health and wellbeing?

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What would it do to your family?

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How would it affect your most important relationships?

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If things aren't going well, don't wait for things to change on their own.

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Be the change that you want to see because true change comes from from within.

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Only you can change the things in your world, and you have far more

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control over things in your life than you realise So what to do next?

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I'd say before you make any big decisions, I'd encourage you to take some time out.

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So I would block out your calendar.

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I would book an away day, even better, book a holiday, give this

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decision the space and time that it deserves, and consider what your

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life would be like if you choose to stay, stop, or start something new.

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Then decide what you're going to do, and if you're still feeling

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unsure, feel free to reach out to me.

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I'd be glad to help you if I can.

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Hope this episode's been useful to you, and if you think it would

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help somebody else, then please share it with your network.

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I'd be most grateful.

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Next time we're joined by Jason McDade to explore how we can

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normalize imposter syndrome.

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Thanks so much for listening to this episode of architecture business club.

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Then please leave a glowing five-star review or rating wherever you listen

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So you never miss another episode.

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If you want to connect with me, you can do that on most social media platforms,

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just search for at Mr. John Clayton.

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The best place to connect with me online, though is on LinkedIn.

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You can find a link to my profile in the show notes.

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Remember.

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Running your architecture business.

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Doesn't have to be hard and you don't need to do it alone.

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This is architecture business club.