You, can't do it.

It, the, two are contradictory.

The, very policies of sanctuary cities.

Not only endanger those in the community and, the country at large,

But they, also undercut law enforcement at all levels each and every day.

So they really defy common sense.

So when you hear a Governor Walz, or a Mayor Frey of Minneapolis, or even the

Attorney General from there stand up and say that they agree with the Department

Of Homeland Security when it comes to prioritizing public safety is just.

Outright ridiculous, and disingenuous and an insult to really everybody.

You know, every year we have the Attorney General speak and we also

Have the Secretary of Homeland Security speak, and that's because of Chuck Marino.

He was working for Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano.

He called me up one day and he said, Craig, I love that you have the ag speak

At your candlelight vigil, but what about the Secretary of Homeland Security?

Huh?

And a little respect there.

And, Uh, we've been doing it ever since.

It's a tradition that continues thanks to this gentleman.

So,

You know, Chuck, you said something I don't wanna miss here because

You mentioned Obama administration, that's where you were serving at the DHS.

Okay.

What about these sanctuary cities?

Mm-hmm.

You know, they existed during the Obama administration and here, and

I, you know, I'm listening to all the chatter and here's what I'm

Hearing, and I'd love your opinion.

Number one, how did Obama's administration handle those?

And number two, is that your view that the sanctuary cities are

At the very heart of this mess?

You can't say that you are a sanctuary city and then

Also say you prioritize public safety.

The difference is, you're right, sanctuary cities have existed for a long time.

The Obama administration did have to deal with sanctuary cities while they

Were doing the same things that the Trump administration is doing right now.

Um, the difference is those communities, while they still prevented

State and local law enforcement from working collaboratively with

Federal officials, they did not incite and they did not obstruct.

That's what we see now.

Now we see politicians playing an active role.

In literally creating a more dangerous environment and totally abandoning

Not only their state and local responsibilities like dealing with

Protestors, but also obstructing federal agents at every step they can.

Uh, and then you've got the courts, which are different, which we didn't have to

Deal with during the Obama administration.

Uh, and that was, you now have activist judges.

Within these sanctuary districts that also try and do everything

They can to slow down the process.

And oh, by the way, those courts don't have a very good batting average

When it comes to being overturned.

The Trump administration up to and including last, late last

Week, Uh, Minnesota had filed to stop the federal operations.

Yes.

Yeah.

And, and they were overruled.

Absolutely.

Uh, a, a lower court had agreed with them, and a higher court, said,

No, you can't have a state that is now impeding federal operations,

No matter how much you hate it.

Chuck and I'm glad you you brought that up because Heroes

Behind the Badge and Citizens Behind the Badge are sponsoring organization.

We're all about supporting law enforcement.

That's what we do.

We are about the men and women of law enforcement.

So put yourself back in your shoes as law enforcement officer and put yourself

In the shoes of today's law enforcement officers who are trying to enforce laws.

That are being challenged.

How do they feel with the, venom and the toxicity that's being spewed out there?

What's inside the head of the law enforcement officers?

Well, at the federal level, I can tell you

That morale's never been higher.

From what I hear within ICE and CBP, because let's remember, they're

Coming off of four years of not being allowed to do their jobs.

Yeah, good point.

And, and if you look at the statistics, if you look purely at the metrics of success.

Look at those border numbers.

You know, previous secretaries used to think that, anything a

Thousand, encounters on the Southwest border or higher was a crisis,

Right?

I mean, we're down at single digits.

Zero, zero releases into the country.

So that means if you're here illegally, you come up with a claim of amnesty, or,

Uh, asylum, Uh, rather then that you were, you, historically you were released into

The country until your asylum hearing.

And, and that's been stopped.

Uh, that was a loophole that's been stopped.

So, but I, I gotta tell you, I think the goal.

From at least Minnesota has been, to make the job of ICE and CBP as hard

And as publicly messy as possible.

That's why I think what President Trump said.

Over the weekend, Uh, was genius and that is they got sucked in having ICE

And CBP, Uh, dealing with protestors.

No, don't do that.

That's not their job.

If they know the law enforcement's abandoning you, then why are you picking

Up responsibility and doing their jobs?

Which by the way, is gonna be the messiest part.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's a great a hundred percent.

And I want to, I want to go back to, Uh, to what you said, which is probably

Going to be a surprise or a shocker to some people about the morale and

The Feds being so high at the moment.

But quite frankly, you know, law enforcement expects to be shit on, expects

To have all kinds of problems with the scum of the earth that they're dealing

With out on the streets and whatnot.

But, you know, the biggest problem with morale generally is.

Internal, and it's how you're treated internally by the bosses.

Any number of of political things that affects you from the inside.

With the Trump administration support of federal law enforcement across the board

Right now, it's gotta be a huge boom, Uh, for the federal law enforcement officers.

And, and Chuck, maybe you can just expound on this a little

Bit, was my understanding.

I heard that there was something like 10,000 applications, Uh, that had come in.

To, Uh, DHS since Trump took office.

Well, yeah, and, the other thing is the old saying, you

Know, don't tell me what you value.

Show me your budget and I'll tell you what you value.

Look at the money.

That CBP and ICE have received under the big beautiful bill.

Which is funny because we've got this, partial shutdown right now

Because of DHS Democrats say, and because of the operations of ICE.

But this partial shutdown doesn't hurt ICE in any.

Way at all, nor does it hurt CBP because they are so plush with cash

From that big, beautiful bill that operations are gonna continue unimpeded.

And oh, by the way, all of those employees are gonna continue showing up

To work during any type of a shutdown because they're essential personnel.

And so not only are they gonna keep showing up and doing the job,

They're also gonna be back paid.

And so this isn't having the effect that Democrats think,

Uh, it would on law enforcement.

But yeah, no, look, the morale is important.

The applications are through the roof and they're being allowed to do their

Jobs, and people like to see results and you know, that's what they're saying.

Maybe you can expound a little bit because there's been a

Narrative going around, especially in the liberal media, about the fact

That these folks that are now coming out of the academy working for the

Feds are not sufficiently trained.

What say you.

Yeah, I mean, they're going through the same type of training.

It is not abbreviated, but I would say all of the agencies, throughout DHS have taken

A hard look over the years at training.

And can it be consolidated in certain areas?

And I think, of course, the answer is yes.

They're doing it to save money.

They're doing it to get.

Agents operational out onto the streets a little bit sooner.

But as far as the context in which the perceived lack of training being put forth

By Democrats, is, it's not happening.

They're still going through adequate and ample use of force training.

They're still going through ample firearms training.

You know, let's not forget too many of these.

Folks are also coming from previous law enforcement careers at the state and

Local level, or the military, and so there are no strangers to use of force policy.

There are no strangers to handling firearms, and so I think that's

Just a bunch of nonsense, but it goes to the overall narrative.

The Democrats wanna play, right?

They're outta control.

Uh, this is messy.

There's no, for forethought given to this, and they're just throwing agents out onto

The street to execute this operations.

When in all reality, Tom Homan and Kristi Noem were always honest with

Sanctuary cities, and they said, less, the less you cooperate the more agents

You're gonna see in your communities.

Chuck one.

One of the things that bothers me most about what's happening in Minneapolis

Is ICE agents have become the enemy.

All right.

Governor Tim Walz, the Governor in Minnesota has said We are at war.

Basically he's declaring war between the citizens of Minnesota

And the ICE agents that are there.

Now here's the problem, ICE agents don't set policy, alright?

They're not the political leaders that tell them what to do or where to go.

They have a job to do to protect this nation, to provide national

Security, and peace, hopefully in the streets of America.

But in Minneapolis, that's not happening.

That the people have basically.

Um, going to war against ICE Agents and I I, I'd love your comment on that.

I mean, you served as a Secret Service agent for many years.

You served at the Department of, Homeland Security for many years.

Uh.

And yet ICE agents all of a sudden are the enemy.

The officers who are trying to enforce the laws of this country in a lawful

Manner, Uh, have become the enemy.

And this is frustrating to me because you can protest the policies.

You, you may not like a particular law.

You can vote out those legislators that enacted those laws,

But it's not the ICE agents.

That are setting policy or deciding, Uh, where to go and how to do their job.

They're just out there.

They've been told what to do, they're doing it, and frankly, it's a very

Difficult job, a very dangerous job.

Uh, your comment.

Well, you know, it's pretty interesting that sanctuary

Cities in general are going after law enforcement, ICE agents and

CBP agents the way that they are.

Typically politics used to stay exactly there, right?

Aim, your aim, your rhetoric at the, you know, the head of the executive branch,

The president of the United States.

But I'll take it another step further.

You know what's interesting?

You never hear come out of somebody like Governor Walz's mouth.

Is the role that Congress plays here.

I mean, to your point, this is a no-brainer.

Congress passes the laws and the executive branch ICE and CBP enforce them,

And, all the way up to the president.

The president's, right when he says, look, it's my job to enforce the laws.

You've heard Barack Obama say the same thing.

It's not my job to choose between right and wrong and what laws I'm going to

Enforce on a Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, and what laws I'm not gonna

Enforce on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

That's not the way it works.

My job is to enforce the laws that are on the books and this is what I'm gonna do.

To, to, for a politician to take issue with the men and women, Uh, that are doing

Jobs that are much, much more dangerous.

Than theirs.

You know, which is why it always amuses me when they incite all this rhetoric

Usually standing behind their gates in their house, which are being protected

By guess who law enforcement and, you know, but yet they throw these arrows

And it makes the job much more dangerous.

As a law enforcement officer, it's infuriating.

Because you've got things like dosing going on that's giving up

Not only the personal information of the agents, but also the families.

It's endangering, you know, their kids.

Uh, and it's a gross misrepresentation of what they're doing when you really,

If you're staying honest about it, when you look at the totality of threats

That were allowed into the country.

From 180 different countries that were encountered many special interest

Locations that no matter how much Biden and Mayorkas said they were vetted,

There's no feasible way to thoroughly vet these people coming from these locations.

'cause there's no systems to vet against.

So when you think about the threats in that totality, why aren't these sanctuary

Politicians taking issues with Congress?

I, Democrat, you know, we including Democrats,

Just clowns.

They're, these people are clowns.

You know, you talk about Mayorkas, my God, Mayorkas was just a pathetic liar.

How could you boldface get in front of I, I, I hope to see that

They do something about this.

But you know, as we're harping on Minnesota, I've got some statistics here.

You know, there's 1,370 detainers in Minnesota.

Those are illegals, criminals that are being held in the jails.

We should talk a little bit about that because I don't think they're

Talking about this on mainstream media.

The fact of the matter is if these sanctuary cities were just cooperating

And allowing law enforcement to go into the jails, I hear Homan say this.

I hear a number of people say this.

It takes one or two agents to go into the jail.

It's a peaceful transfer.

Mm-hmm.

There's not gonna be violence.

Everybody's protected.

You're in the security of the jail versus sending a team out to go get these guys.

Chuck, maybe talk a little bit about the dynamics of that.

Yeah, well that was the point You just hit on

The number of detainers, Uh, that are not being honored statewide.

And this goes to part of the strategy, which by the way, was also the

Strategy of the Obama administration.

Uh, we used to have a program called 287(g), Uh, which was called Secure

Communities, where you started deputizing state and local law enforcement, Uh,

To enforce immigration law, to kind of be a force multiplier for ICE.

But yet, you're right.

And this is, to my earlier point about creating a a lot

Safer environment for everybody.

A lot less messy when you allow ICE agents into the jails.

When you have those immigration detainers being honored, not just by

The state, but also at the local levels.

They're the majority, when it comes to controlling all of these jails, right?

And also allowing state and local law enforcement to

Cooperate with ICE and CBP now.

I think the administration would tell you be the first to tell you that

They're not expecting state and locals in Minnesota to help them enforce immigration

Law because of the sanctuary policy.

But what they are doing is they're expecting them to show up if ICE

Agents, Uh, become over, over, Uh.

Burdened.

Overwhelmed.

Yes.

Yeah.

Overwhelmed by these protests.

Or There's a public safety issue with ICE agents and they expect

Them to share intelligence.

Hey, share intelligence.

I, I wanna, I, you made a, a very important point here about, what

Is needed, the cooperation that's needed between the feds and the local and states.

Let's, go back to Tom Homan.

I, I thought Homan made a world class a masterclass speech last week

On the solutions to this problem.

One of his solutions is that if indeed the city.

State governments of Minnesota will allow him and his agents to go into

These jails and pick up these people without, a protest or violence that

He will consider moving out some of the troops, some of the, Uh, the, Uh,

ICE agents and border patrol people.

Give us some thoughts on what Homan said.

Do you think?

It's gonna hold, you know, he claims that they gave him some agreement, but then

Some of the rhetoric after that speech he gave seemed to kind of go backwards.

But what, what is your, what your thoughts.

Sanctuary cities have a very bad habit of not keeping promises.

Just think about the promise that Eric Adams made in New York to Tom Homan

To his face about letting ICE agents in the Rikers and it never happened.

Yeah.

Uh, and that was at the beginning of the administration when Eric

Adams was found himself, at odds.

With the White House and, and a at, Uh, at odds with the Democratic party.

So, they never let 'em into Rikers Island.

And that's indicative of how sanctuary cities, make and

Then don't keep, keep promises.

But you're right.

Every action has a reaction.

And I think here, if you put the action on the city and of Minneapolis and Minnesota.

If they were to do the right thing, then that allows, Uh, Tom Homan, Uh,

And Kristi Noem to rightsize operations.

Uh, that is to look at the numbers and say, do we need to hit the streets

The way we've been hitting them, as hard as we've been hitting them,

Because we're getting no help at all.

And I think the answer is they'd rather.

Decrease those numbers on the street.

They'd rather it be a lot safer.

They'd rather have less interactions with the general public as they're

Looking for these, Uh, national security threats throughout the city.

But let's face it, I mean, sanctuary cities are where you have to go.

Where you have to stay when you're looking for all these threats

That came into the country.

I mean, this is where they're being harbored.

This is where they're being protected.

This is where they're being released over and over, back out onto the

Streets to commit more crimes.

From a strategic standpoint on the, from the side of ICE and CBP sanctuary, cities

Are the natural place you need to go.

Isn't that, you know, Minneapolis Absolutely problem.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

The citizens of Minneapolis, they, they don't seem to appreciate the

Fact that ICE agents are there in their city trying to rid them of

These serious, Uh, criminals Yeah.

That have come in from, Uh, foreign countries illegally.

And ICE agents are doing them a favor by, Uh, making their city safer if they

Let them do their job and do it safely.

I think you make a great point that if, if they got the cooperation

From the locals, they wouldn't, put themselves at such great risk.

The ICE agents, all right.

Right.

They are being, Uh, rocks are being thrown at them.

People are coming to protest with guns.

I mean, we saw that with Preti.

Uh, not a smart thing to do and, and unfortunately.

Late, he tragically lost his life.

I mean, this is what, I think, upsets me that there's a lot of ignorance out there,

Especially in the sanctuary cities about why ICE agents are trying to do a job to

Help them and keep their community safer.

I, I wanna just expound on that.

I think that there's a lot of ignorant people that are out there protesting

In Minneapolis, but I think it's far deeper than this, the dynamic

When we're talking about sanctuary cities, I think Minneapolis is way

Different than a lot of places.

And why it is right now is because they're trying to distract.

Look at this shiny object over here.

Don't focus so much on all this fraud that's going on.

And I think people like tampon, Tim and the, and the emasculated

Putts, it's the mayor there.

Mm-hmm.

And the lap dog, police chief, and all those people,

They're going along with this.

They're encouraging all of this.

Anarchy to take place because it's, it's taking away that focus because

Before all this happened, it was all about the amount of fraud that

Was going on in Minneapolis and now they're not talking about it as much.

This is definitely a diversionary tactic.

For sure.

There, there's no, there's no doubt about it.

The more they can talk about ICE and CBP and, and, you know, the perceived

Mess that this is causing in their community, the less they're talking

About that fraud, which is in the billions and we'll probably be one of

The biggest stories and, and, and, Uh, crimes of fraud to ever hit this country.

It'll make the COVID fraud look like, it was nothing.

But look, this is what happens when you have politicians that not only

Wanna enrich themselves, but also, wanna prioritize those that shouldn't

Be in the country in the first place, believe they're entitled to Absolutely.

Everything, Uh, that would traditionally go to the American public first for those,

Uh, for those that are truly in need.

But no, you're, look, you're right.

I mean, it's just, it's irresponsible.

In some cases we're gonna find it's criminal.

And let's remember we keep talking about the protests.

Yeah.

There's some local organic groups that are protesting.

And you know what?

They're probably peaceful, but it's these, it's the outside organized

Groups that you're gonna find a lot of democratic money behind.

You're gonna find foreign influence, typically from an adversary, Uh,

To fund and organize these groups that historically come from outside

Of the area, have no interest.

And oh, by the way.

If this weren't a protest about immigration but was a protest of the

Middle East, you would see the same people showing up for the same protests and they

Have no idea what they're doing there.

They couldn't explain the issues to you.

They have no, they have, yeah, they have no thought, thoughts on this, that

We would consider well thought out.

And so that's what they do.

They come in, they cause turmoil.

We saw it in 2020.

When Minneapolis burned, when they walked away from police

Departments and gave up those cities.

So this really is.

On the side of the Democrats, I think another black eye for them amongst

The voting population that are law abiding, that are supporters of law

Enforcement like we all are, and wanna see the laws of this country enforced.

Chuck what, Uh, the Philadelphia Sheriff the other day, Um,

Called the ICE agents, wannabe cops, basically acting as if they, they didn't

Really have law enforcement status.

They weren't properly trained.

Uh, she even threatened to arrest ICE agents if they came into the city of

Philadelphia, which was outrageous.

I, I thank you as much as anybody.

Former Secret Service agent served at the Department of Homeland Security.

I think you have a, a great understanding and appreciation for the job.

ICE agents do the training, they have the, importance to this country.

I'd like you to comment on that.

Yeah.

Well, I gotta tell you, I, I would, and, and I've heard that sheriff

In Philadelphia, I've heard what she's had to say now, quite a few

Times and I'd love to know where the National Sheriff's Association is.

With her.

Really, whatever.

Whatever happened to the days of picking up the phone and telling

Somebody to shut up that they were embarrassing the profession.

What?

That's See?

Yeah, that's a good point.

See, that's part of the problem.

Maybe they're listening.

That's part of the problem.

I hope they are.

And look, yeah, it goes for major city chiefs.

It goes for the IACP.

Where are you?

You got this?

LA I think Craig, you called the list this chief, the lap

Dog, out in, Uh, Minneapolis.

Where's major City Chiefs calling this guy up and saying, what?

Is there something wrong with you?

I couldn't

Be more on target about that.

The lack of, of leadership, the lack of balls, you know, stand up for the

Troops, stand up, do the right thing.

It's shocking that people are so worried about hurting somebody's feelings.

Bullshit.

You know, you've just gotta be, we were talking about this the other day.

Dumbing of America.

It's almost like the dumbing of law enforcement.

You've got some of these DEI hires that are leading agencies that are dumber than

Rocks, and they are an embarrassment.

Yeah.

And they need to be challenged.

Yeah.

And ultimately, look, I mean, it's, it's a problem that only the people

Can solve in those communities because they're the ones that are voting.

You're the voters for this.

And so, ultimately you gotta, you gotta look at it almost at

The, you know, the micro level.

And you gotta say, well look who's ultimately to blame for this?

We, you know, did the v were the voters not able to tell?

What this person was going to do and what they were gonna prioritize and,

And and so, but yeah, I think, look, I think sometimes somebody needs to pick

Up the phone and say, enough is enough.

You are killing us as sheriffs around this country.

Yeah.

And this is not what we do and this is not what we say.

And we certainly don't talk about arresting.

Uh, yeah.

I'm sure other, other law enforcement officers when

They're legally doing their jobs.

Exactly.

Exactly.

That's key.

The, these guy, these, these men and women are doing the jobs according to the

Laws and to their statutory authorities.

So, Chuck, you're the founder and CEO of your very own, Uh,

Global security firm called Sentinel.

Yes.

And, Uh, so you are, after your life, after Secret Service

Involves, Uh, some very high level.

Security and, Uh, intelligence advisory jobs.

Yes.

I would love your input as a CEO, as a leader, as a security

And intelligence leader in this country.

If you were in charge, if all of a sudden they called up and say, Chuck,

Take over this mess and fix it.

Give us Chuck's solution to this mess that's going on up in Minneapolis.

It goes well beyond Minneapolis, right?

Minneapolis is one of the things.

First thing that I've spoken about extensively is there is no

Way that federal taxpayers should still be funding sanctuary cities.

Especially when we talk about, as Craig knows very well, especially

When we talk about all of these public safety grants that come from

DHS and the Department of Justice.

I mean, we're talking about billions and billions of dollars.

I mean, you look at New York City alone, it's almost a billion

Dollars in terms of all the types of aid that they get, Uh, to help.

Public safety, implement public safety policies and Uh, and terrorism prevention.

So why, again, if you have a city, Uh, that does not believe in enforcing any

Part of the law, and as much as we used to say that Homeland Security begins with

Home town security and you have hometowns within sanctuary states that do nothing

To move forward public safety, why do we consider continue to reward this?

And consider this to be successful policies.

And so the first thing is you gotta use the power of the purse.

And I don't think to date that the Trump administration has exhausted that, Uh, as,

As much as they could through the courts.

Yeah, I think that was challenged, wasn't it?

I think it was.

I think they tried to do that.

It got challenged in court, and then I just saw this week that there was some

Senator or congressman that actually was talking about legislation to

Lindsey Graham.

Lindsey Graham.

Yeah, yeah,

Exactly.

Yeah.

But you're, you're right.

But you've gotta exhaust the court system.

Because if you look at the cases that have gone to the Supreme Court,

That's another area that the Trump administration's done very well.

Um, I think they've only taken one or two losses in the Supreme Court and all

These other cases, Uh, they have won.

When it comes to, when it comes to immigration, I love what the

Administration is doing, in terms of this multifaceted approach.

You know, you've gotta deal with the, your own hemisphere, the western hemisphere.

You've gotta deal with places like Venezuela and Mexico and Colombia.

You got, I, I was a, a firm believer in, Uh, designating the cartels

And these violent gangs as, Uh, foreign terrorist organizations.

Yep.

It gives the executive branch a lot more authorities when

It comes to going after them.

And I like what we're doing here with the, with our own border.

This is a walk and chew gum strategy.

It had to be.

And I think when you look at this.

This strategic approach holistically by the Trump administration.

You see that they're hitting all of the areas that they need to, Uh, right now.

And the numbers, again, back to the numbers.

Look at fentanyl.

Fentanyl is dropping.

Look at, Uh, the drug, Uh, the movement of drugs on the waterway

Is coming from Venezuela.

That's down 97%.

I know, by the way.

That's not, not only impacting drugs that are leaving Venezuela, it's drugs

That are coming via the waterways through other locations as well too.

I think there's still room to get a lot tougher with Mexico.

Uh, Mexico is something I've paid attention to for a very, very long time.

The level of corruption and fear and intimidation.

Look, when you've got the cartels as the third largest employer

In the country, that's not good.

Wow.

Yeah,

That's not good.

And a lot of people don't realize, they operate like legitimate

Businesses operate in terms of their structure, and how they look at money.

But of course, everything that they're involved in, is a detriment.

Not only to Mexico, but to the United States.

A threat to the United States.

And I gotta tell you, anybody that steps outta line and voices

Opposition to them from a governmental standpoint is usually eliminated.

Yeah.

Chuck, I just wanna reiterate that because that's such a massive, Uh,

Statistic and, and point that in Mexico, the cartels are the third.

Largest employer in the country that, that's shocking.

You know, there was an interview yesterday, I believe, when they had

The Ambassador to Mexico on, and the question was, who's running the country?

The president or the drug cartels?

And the guy would not answer that question.

Yeah.

It's clear, it's clearly the

Cor if you knew the answer.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Crazy.

Chuck.

The, that When you talk about a solution to this problem though,

Don't you agree that a lot of it's the political hyperbole.

You know, you and I talked about this a little bit offline.

The Trump administration Yes, has gotten tough and maybe, you know, calling them

Domestic terrorists in Minneapolis, et cetera, might have been gone too far.

But they've been pushed by the local leadership in Minneapolis, the mayor.

The Governor of Minnesota.

Basically declaring war on ICE and on the Trump administration for their

Policies and, and how they're trying to enforce the law, which as you pointed

Out, was, Uh, given to them by Congress.

Uh, the political irresponsibility, I think is at the heart of this issue.

Sanctuary city policies, certainly, but then when the feds do go in and try

To make a city safer, all of a sudden the mayor, the Governor, all the, the

Leadership, even the chief of police.

Is, Um, you know, coming down against the Feds.

Um, this is a problem and I think that feeds into the media.

The media loves this stuff, right?

They love all the political hyperbole, so they can, Uh, fuel the, the, Uh, fires,

And get everybody all ratcheted up.

And then you end up with people dying, Uh, needlessly.

Let's look at what the Biden administration said from day one.

You can't secure the border.

You can't enforce the immigration laws because we

Need overall immigration reform.

Meanwhile, meanwhile, we always had Title eight, which is the foundation

Of the enforcement of immigration laws.

You had things in place like Remain in Mexico that gave a pause to those claiming

Asylum until they were thoroughly vetted.

Before they were even considered to be let into the country.

He stood that down.

He stood down every other executive order.

President Trump did related to these issues in his first term, so they

Were disingenuous about the law.

You always had the laws on the books.

You always had the authorities on the books already to secure the border

And enforce the immigration laws.

They just chose not to do it.

They were looking at kicking the can down the road and ultimately.

If you look at the bills that they put forth, including the last one that

Was rejected, it, their bills always included a goal of amnesty, mass Amnesty.

Um, and, and I have said from day one that if you paid attention closely.

The answer was as obvious as the day is long, they were looking to change

The demographics of the United States.

They were looking to give those in the country illegal, the right to vote.

Ultimately, they were trying to do it through amnesty and that was the goal.

It was to hold on the power.

It was how can we change and influence the Democratic voter base

In this country to make sure that we hold on the power long term.

Majority of Americans have voted them of office vote votes.

It's the numbers.

That's why Trump got elected in part, is because of the

Immigration problem in this country.

Yeah.

And now that he comes in and he is, Uh, Uh, closed the border, he's deporting

The heinous criminals that have, Uh, come in through the poorest Uh, border.

Mm-hmm.

Um, and now, people are, are crucifying him and the ICE agents for

Enforcing those laws and doing the job that the voters want them to do.

No, that's exactly right.

So, I mean, the answers have always been there.

It's a little uncomfortable sometimes for some people to say

What the, what the honest answer is.

But if you look at it, I mean, look, you had votes on the hill.

You had a legislation, put forth by the District of

Columbia that wanted to do what?

Give illegals the right to vote.

Right.

Look at other Democrats.

You had some of them saying the quiet part out loud, not realizing that they

Were supposed to shut up, saying, you know, look, this is messing up my, my

Redistricting efforts by, by not, you know, by not giving them amnesty, by not,

You know, the answers are there and now.

So that's an example of where the politics.

Overtook the national security interests of the country.

And in that case, the politics of the Biden administration

Were completely wrong.

They ignored.

The common sense things to do to keep the country safe.

They chose to purposely ignore those.

And this is where we are now.

So when everybody's complaining about how the cleanup is going in

The interior of the country, let's take a step back and remember who

Caused this mess in the first place.

If Biden hadn't let nearly 20 million people into

The country, we wouldn't have these enormous battles today.

It would be business as usual, but now it's not.

Yeah.

Now it's an enhanced enforcement action that has to be taken

Well, and you wouldn't have an innocent Americans being killed.

Being raped, being a hundred percent being, being, trafficked.

You know, and the other thing is, you know, the policies of the Biden

Administration made it more dangerous for everybody, not just the American public,

But look how many, Uh, illegals that chose to make the journey to the United States.

How many of them lost their lives?

How many of them were raped and assaulted and killed?

We don't know.

Right?

And how many are trafficked?

Into human trafficking.

So, you know, it's, they created a nightmare not only for this

Country, but for the entire region.

And oh, by the way, along the way, their policies empowered the cartels like

They've never been empowered before.

Financially, the cartels have never been richer.

Okay.

Which is, or have grown to the size that they are now.

So the reason why we're dealing with the scale of the problem, Uh, that

We are, is because of these policies.

These policies had an adverse effect on everything.

And now you've got an administration that's taking care of the problem

And you wanna know something.

It's a big problem.

Yeah, it

Is.

Oh, and Dennis, I, I don't know how you all feel,

But I think, Uh, Chuck has really helped to cl bring clarity Wow.

To, to this issue.

Uh, Minneapolis is a mess, but there's a lot more to it, and Chuck has really,

I think, defined what, what's going on.

So, Uh, Chuck, I would love to, I thank you for coming on today.

This has been awesome.

Absolutely.

I would like, yeah.

Thank you.

Ask Chuck, we maybe we ought to have you come back a few times

And really you make sense of this stuff.

Yeah.

And that's what our audience wants.

They wanna make sense of this.

Yeah.

But I have a question to kind of maybe start closing this out.

Okay.

Citizens Behind the Badge is all about the cops.

We support the men and women of law enforcement.

Okay?

Now we understand, as Tom Homan said the other day, not every cop is perfect,

And not every operation is perfect.

There's always things that we can do to be better, but what is it?

If, if, if the men and women of law enforcement are listening today,

Do you have a message for them?

Uh, what what would you like to say to them as a person who served as

One of them and also as the founder of a business and a DHS employee?

What, what, what do you, what would be your message?

Yeah.

Look, don't fall for the traps that are being laid for you each and every day.

By those in the country that have these radical ideologies, either that don't

Believe the laws of this country should be enforced, or that the men and women

Tasked with enforcing them, are evil.

Don't fall into that trap.

Understand that there's, there's organizations like yours, that

Provide a very important service, to voice and demonstrate that

Support each and every day.

And that the majority of Americans believe that this country has to

Be a country of law and order.

No civilized society can survive without it.

So the majority of Americans are on the side of law enforcement.

They understand that the job is hard enough.

On a regular day.

But now with all this political nonsense, this political nonsense

Coming from the radical left does not represent what the overwhelming majority

Of the country feels Absolutely.

Uh, about, about law and in, and the enforcement of law and

About those that enforce it.

So, especially for these law enforcement officers that are

Operating in these sanctuary cities.

Look, many of them are not operating in these sanctuary cities because of the

Sanctuary policies they're operating, because that's where they're from.

That's where they've chosen to live.

That's where they've chosen to raise their kids.

So especially for them.

Don't fall into the traps that the local politicians are setting, for

These, these men and women, and try not to get hurt because in a lot of

These communities, these policies unfortunately, are setting these law

Enforcement departments and these law enforcement officers of for failure.

What a great, well said, inspirational message.

That is extremely well said.

I don't think any of us could have said it as well as you chuck that

Was beautifully done and thank you.

Thank

You.

That I wanna make sure that our audience knows

How to get in touch with you.

Okay.

Yeah.

Would you mind sharing your contact information?

Sure.

My company website is Sentinel, S-E-N-T-I-N-E-L.

Security, Uh, you can find, Uh, information about our company, information

About the entire team, and then I'm on X Charles Marino, and you can also

Find my website@charlesmarino.com.

Great.

Great.

Perfect.

I'm sure, Uh, I'm sure a lot of people will like to reach out to you.

Of course.

You have such a common sense, articulate way of framing all this and, Uh,

I think that's what we need now.

Well, great.

Thank you.

Now look, this is what I try and do, right?

I try and.

Cut through all the noise and really analyze it and say, look,

Thi this is the way policies and ideologies are gonna impact us.

And it's either going to be right or it's going to be wrong.

There's no hybrid here.

And I think we're seeing, that the policies of sanctuary cities, are

Grossly inept and very dangerous.

Indeed.

So I can't help but ask you one last question.

Sure.

During this interview, I've heard a little chirping in the

Background and I wasn't sure.

I,

No, I don't know what I don't.

Yeah, I don't know what that noise is.

I don't, I thought you had a bird heat or something.

No.

A in

Your,

No, it may, Uh, the heater.

Yeah.

I just, there was something chirping.

I, I haven't.

The only one hearing that some

Birdshot

Is I

The only one hearing that or was heard?

Yeah,

I heard it.

No, I hear it a little bit.

No, it's not, it's not about, I was a little concerned

About what

That

Was.

But you're okay, right?

You're, you're not in any danger of any

Sort.

I'm in, I'm in an, I'm in an old building, so it makes a lot of different noises.

Okay, we'll attribute it to the oldness of the building.

How's

That?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's gotta be the HVAC unit.

Yeah.

Alright.

Again, thank you,

Chuck for this.

You got it guys.

You got it.

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