1 00:00:00,060 --> 00:00:02,010 Hmm, this is a generation. It is never going to 2 00:00:02,010 --> 00:00:06,960 work nine to five in an office or workplace, you 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,850 know, that they, they can just want to hang on. 4 00:00:08,850 --> 00:00:11,970 I could be schooled remotely. Why can't, why can't I 5 00:00:12,270 --> 00:00:15,630 work remotely? And also the online etiquette skills that these 6 00:00:15,630 --> 00:00:17,700 kids are developing are going to be second to none. 7 00:00:17,970 --> 00:00:19,350 I was talking to another date about it. See, the 8 00:00:19,350 --> 00:00:24,330 day that, you know, with all of the experiences they're 9 00:00:24,330 --> 00:00:29,100 getting, there are probably going to be better than the 10 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:31,470 most adults or a meat. You know, that those kids 11 00:00:31,470 --> 00:00:34,290 that had just left the university, the spent so much 12 00:00:34,290 --> 00:00:36,900 time online, this is just what they do. 13 00:00:39,410 --> 00:00:42,860 Hi and welcome to Podcaster. Stories each episode we will 14 00:00:42,860 --> 00:00:45,290 have a conversation with Podcast is from across the globe 15 00:00:45,620 --> 00:00:48,860 and share their story. What motivates them by the start 16 00:00:48,860 --> 00:00:52,550 to the show are the crucial And More will also 17 00:00:52,550 --> 00:00:54,710 talk about their personal lives and some of the things 18 00:00:54,710 --> 00:00:56,690 that have happened to have made them the person they 19 00:00:56,690 --> 00:01:01,700 are today. And now here's your host Danny Brown hi, 20 00:01:01,700 --> 00:01:04,040 and welcome to Podcaster. Stories where we get to meet 21 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,880 the people behind the voices of the show is we 22 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,420 will listen to this weak. I'm talking to John Adams 23 00:01:08,450 --> 00:01:11,480 who's host of DadPodUK the UK, a fatherhood and family 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,810 life podcast that shares the different unique experiences of fatherhood. 25 00:01:15,350 --> 00:01:18,170 John welcome to the show you, how about you introduce 26 00:01:18,170 --> 00:01:19,850 yourself and tell us a bit about your podcast. 27 00:01:20,750 --> 00:01:23,300 Well, hi, Danny well, first of all, thanks for having 28 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:27,740 me on the, on your podcast. So DadPodUK, CA, I 29 00:01:27,740 --> 00:01:31,280 launched it towards the end of 2020. I'd been meaning 30 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,340 to, to launch a podcast for a little while. And 31 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,870 as you say, it is a, it's an audio podcast. 32 00:01:38,870 --> 00:01:42,470 Audio only. I prefer them that way myself. And what 33 00:01:42,470 --> 00:01:46,220 I do is I speak to a different father in 34 00:01:46,220 --> 00:01:47,860 each episode. And I do go out and out of 35 00:01:47,860 --> 00:01:50,630 my way to try and interview fathers who have got 36 00:01:50,630 --> 00:01:54,680 a particular experience or story to tell you their opinion. 37 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:58,430 So the sorts of individuals I have interviewed so far, 38 00:01:59,570 --> 00:02:03,170 it was a chap called Lee sands, who is actually 39 00:02:03,170 --> 00:02:03,920 a stepdad. 40 00:02:04,070 --> 00:02:06,170 Then I'll talk about that in a bit more in 41 00:02:06,170 --> 00:02:10,460 a moment, but I also have also spoken to a 42 00:02:10,460 --> 00:02:14,570 chap called Ryan who is not only in a same-sex 43 00:02:14,570 --> 00:02:19,490 relationship, but also an adoptive father. So the various different 44 00:02:19,490 --> 00:02:22,040 angles. When, when I spoke to him, I spoken to 45 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,190 a guy who guy called David break spear. That was 46 00:02:25,190 --> 00:02:30,620 a fascinating interview. Now he had spent much of his 47 00:02:30,620 --> 00:02:33,650 adult life in prison. So it actually missed a lot 48 00:02:33,650 --> 00:02:37,910 of his children growing up. So getting to learn about 49 00:02:37,910 --> 00:02:43,640 the impact on family life, when dad was incarcerated was 50 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:44,300 fascinating. 51 00:02:44,300 --> 00:02:46,940 And, and the person that I've most recently spoken to, 52 00:02:46,940 --> 00:02:51,200 which is probably the most emotionally charged interview I've done 53 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,210 to date with, with a guy called Dan white, who 54 00:02:53,210 --> 00:02:57,170 has a daughter with a number of different disabilities. And 55 00:02:57,170 --> 00:03:00,250 we spoke about what it's like to raise a disabled 56 00:03:00,250 --> 00:03:02,830 child. And, and, and the feedback I've had in that 57 00:03:02,830 --> 00:03:05,530 episode is that some people actually find it quite hard 58 00:03:05,530 --> 00:03:10,780 listening, because Dan was just so candid about the challenges 59 00:03:10,780 --> 00:03:12,700 that he has to the point where he just admitted 60 00:03:12,700 --> 00:03:15,730 as a, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm on anti-depressants and 61 00:03:15,730 --> 00:03:17,830 obviously I've checked with him before or after that. You 62 00:03:17,830 --> 00:03:19,900 happy for this to, to be included in the podcast, 63 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,080 but he was very happy with that. So it's just, 64 00:03:23,110 --> 00:03:27,400 for me, it's just a fascinating, Dads tend to be 65 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,840 presented in the media as quite two D characters. 66 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,040 And yet actually you, haven't got to scratch too far 67 00:03:36,100 --> 00:03:41,050 under the surface to find out that essentially, every man 68 00:03:41,050 --> 00:03:44,080 who is a father, he has this unique story behind 69 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,960 him. And I'm not saying that that doesn't apply to 70 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,820 mother's as well. I'm in every mother who has got 71 00:03:48,820 --> 00:03:52,330 their own stories, just, you know, in my own background 72 00:03:52,330 --> 00:03:54,880 is, is, you know, I don't have a dad myself. 73 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,480 And my background is a as originally a blogger looking 74 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,150 at fatherhood. So I'm, I was just keen to shine 75 00:04:01,150 --> 00:04:03,740 the light on the, on all the different experiences and, 76 00:04:03,740 --> 00:04:06,550 and types of fathers that are out there. 77 00:04:07,470 --> 00:04:09,240 And you had mentioned that you're a blogger. I know 78 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,140 you have your actual.blog UK, or at least at that 79 00:04:13,140 --> 00:04:16,140 point, you, kate.com has been gone for about eight years 80 00:04:16,140 --> 00:04:18,750 now. And I believe as you mentioned a podcast or 81 00:04:18,780 --> 00:04:20,790 since the late last year, so it was the, podcast's 82 00:04:20,790 --> 00:04:23,430 like a natural evolution of the next stage of the 83 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:25,170 blog, or what was the, how, how did you come 84 00:04:25,170 --> 00:04:27,030 up with the show idea on top of the blog 85 00:04:27,060 --> 00:04:27,210 then? 86 00:04:27,870 --> 00:04:32,280 Yeah, I know that that's a really good question. I 87 00:04:32,310 --> 00:04:35,520 started when I have to really go back a little 88 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,700 bit further than that, because I essentially to cut a 89 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:41,070 long story. Short, became a stay at home, dad, my 90 00:04:41,070 --> 00:04:45,990 wife with my wife and I had a very brutally 91 00:04:46,230 --> 00:04:52,770 practical decision that she had more, only potential. So I 92 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,750 would give up my role and concentrate on family and 93 00:04:57,750 --> 00:05:02,640 home. And we had a blazing Rowe, you know, sort 94 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,820 of pick up on your own Scottish accent there Danny 95 00:05:04,830 --> 00:05:09,210 he had a blazing, her own pizza expressing Glasgow, but 96 00:05:09,210 --> 00:05:11,160 she eventually actually realized that this is not a bad 97 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:11,520 idea. 98 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,680 And so I became a stay at home. Dad. I 99 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,270 did that for about a year, and I've just noticed 100 00:05:16,290 --> 00:05:20,280 it with all these, I face a lot of casual 101 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:25,290 sexism. The world is basically not set up to accept 102 00:05:25,350 --> 00:05:31,020 that men can be caregivers, two children, and it's a 103 00:05:31,020 --> 00:05:35,220 very lonely experience. And I faced a number of, as 104 00:05:35,220 --> 00:05:38,310 I say, sexist experiences, and I started blogging about it. 105 00:05:38,310 --> 00:05:41,010 And initially it was quite Randy. If I can be 106 00:05:41,010 --> 00:05:44,700 honest though, it was some way to, to get my 107 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:48,660 feelings off my chest and to my mates and people 108 00:05:48,660 --> 00:05:51,060 are actually started reading What. 109 00:05:51,150 --> 00:05:54,780 I was put in together and I sent myself a 110 00:05:54,780 --> 00:05:58,970 limit. I said, if in three I've achieved nothing, I'm 111 00:05:58,970 --> 00:06:01,970 gonna stop in this blogging. I didn't say what those 112 00:06:01,970 --> 00:06:03,560 achievements should be, or just in three months, if I 113 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,730 haven't and I will. And to my amazement, within three 114 00:06:07,730 --> 00:06:10,370 months, I found myself at a charity reception at number 115 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:14,270 10 Downing street, which of course is the, the, the, 116 00:06:14,330 --> 00:06:18,080 the UK residents of have the prime minister whose name 117 00:06:18,090 --> 00:06:23,090 we won't mention. And I've realized it was sort of 118 00:06:23,090 --> 00:06:24,910 you, you know, they're having achieved that in that space 119 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,150 on my room. So it was really honest with me. 120 00:06:26,150 --> 00:06:28,820 So I kept doing it and the, the blog grew 121 00:06:28,820 --> 00:06:31,130 and that I can just get to be a big 122 00:06:31,130 --> 00:06:32,660 head that if I say too much about it, it, 123 00:06:32,690 --> 00:06:34,850 it was one of the few wards along the way. 124 00:06:34,940 --> 00:06:39,560 And it has taken me from everywhere from Canada in 125 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,050 the West end to Australia or in the East and 126 00:06:42,050 --> 00:06:45,020 various places in between. And it's been the most amazing 127 00:06:45,020 --> 00:06:49,460 experience. But over the past two or three years, I 128 00:06:49,460 --> 00:06:53,600 have increasingly got listening to podcasts. And I would very 129 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,680 often listened to podcasts while doing the housework, which I 130 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,220 think is partly why I prefer Audio podcasts, because it's 131 00:07:01,220 --> 00:07:04,250 easier to put them on a speaker or headphones as 132 00:07:04,250 --> 00:07:06,980 you, as you're working. And I just thought, you know, 133 00:07:06,980 --> 00:07:08,390 I have a really fancy giving this a go because 134 00:07:08,390 --> 00:07:09,560 I used to be a juror and that I still 135 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,340 got a bit of broadcast media experience anyway. Oh, you 136 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:14,750 do you know, I'm, I'm gonna try this. 137 00:07:15,380 --> 00:07:17,420 I do actually have an agent that gets me work 138 00:07:17,420 --> 00:07:20,180 for my, for my blog in my agents. Weren't particularly 139 00:07:20,180 --> 00:07:23,900 keen on me starting a podcast. Now I'm gonna get 140 00:07:23,900 --> 00:07:26,000 in trouble for admitting that. And now all the time 141 00:07:26,390 --> 00:07:29,570 that they don't listen, sorry, B and K. And, but 142 00:07:29,570 --> 00:07:30,770 yeah, I thought I was going to give this a 143 00:07:30,770 --> 00:07:32,480 shot. And I think ultimately I think what it was, 144 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,200 you know, a lockdown happened and, you know, everybody had 145 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,110 these crazy ideas didn't, they drew knocked down through our 146 00:07:38,110 --> 00:07:41,930 I'm gonna do something new. So I started, I started 147 00:07:41,930 --> 00:07:45,680 the podcast and it has gone off in, so I 148 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,230 have an idea of a sort of interviewing that was, 149 00:07:48,230 --> 00:07:49,670 and I thought, I don't really make it a mini 150 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:53,540 series a, but actually I really loved it. I really 151 00:07:53,540 --> 00:07:55,400 enjoyed it. And I'm sticking with it. And I am 152 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:00,680 going to be producing regular, regular episodes going forward. 153 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,600 As you mentioned it earlier, or you've had a wide 154 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,420 variety, obviously the old Dads, but we have a wide 155 00:08:07,420 --> 00:08:09,640 variety of experience and still have to tell, and you 156 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,620 had mentioned it Yourself, you know what? It's like, you're 157 00:08:11,620 --> 00:08:14,410 in a stepfather and the challenge of same-sex here in 158 00:08:14,410 --> 00:08:17,170 town. And obviously if there was a recent, One what 159 00:08:17,170 --> 00:08:19,420 it means to be a black dad and a very 160 00:08:19,420 --> 00:08:22,450 privileged society, there is not set up for, you know, 161 00:08:22,690 --> 00:08:24,820 people of color. And in general, how did you go 162 00:08:24,820 --> 00:08:28,990 about finding guests? And, and what's a process of what 163 00:08:28,990 --> 00:08:30,850 stories do you want to share on the podcast? 164 00:08:32,140 --> 00:08:35,110 All right. Danny I have to say, actually that is 165 00:08:36,430 --> 00:08:41,320 a, that is quite a challenge because I know, I 166 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,950 guess it's almost a lesson I learnt through blogging. I 167 00:08:44,950 --> 00:08:47,260 have a regular series on my blog called the blogger, 168 00:08:47,260 --> 00:08:53,770 UK Q and a, and where I interview people who 169 00:08:53,920 --> 00:09:00,540 have an interesting opinion or some expertise in the field 170 00:09:00,540 --> 00:09:05,070 of families or health, actually, I keep it sorta limited 171 00:09:05,070 --> 00:09:10,200 to those too, and try and I I learned in 172 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,170 it. So you can be approached by Pro people who 173 00:09:13,170 --> 00:09:15,830 want to push that the clients, and they have been 174 00:09:15,830 --> 00:09:18,200 one or two interviews I did for the day blog, 175 00:09:18,710 --> 00:09:20,000 M U K Q and a half a year here 176 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,960 is where the people I interviewed didn't actually turn out 177 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:24,920 to be that great. 178 00:09:25,850 --> 00:09:31,340 So where would the Podcast I do actually take a 179 00:09:31,340 --> 00:09:37,520 lot of time and effort to get the right guest. 180 00:09:37,580 --> 00:09:41,450 I'm the editor. So do you just mentioned, there were 181 00:09:41,450 --> 00:09:46,040 I interviewed Elliot RE about being a, a black father 182 00:09:46,070 --> 00:09:50,210 within the UK. Hi, I'm Elliott. And I know we, 183 00:09:50,210 --> 00:09:53,330 we know each other in any way, the way he 184 00:09:53,330 --> 00:09:56,780 runs a, a, a sort of father, the network wouldn't 185 00:09:56,780 --> 00:09:59,900 use it as a football fatherhood. I do check it 186 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:01,970 out as she did it. It's, it's a very good, 187 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:08,480 or the music of football fatherhood. Ear a solely open 188 00:10:08,510 --> 00:10:11,240 to a ethnic minority communities. 189 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,800 It, a user base has about 60% a year now 190 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,310 from ethnic minorities and Elliot himself as a diversity and 191 00:10:19,310 --> 00:10:22,490 inclusion specialist. So he was ideal for this. So I 192 00:10:22,490 --> 00:10:24,620 was very lucky the 82 to agree to do it. 193 00:10:25,250 --> 00:10:28,670 The, the, the, the one that I took me ages 194 00:10:28,670 --> 00:10:30,470 to actually find a father, he would speak to, to 195 00:10:30,470 --> 00:10:33,170 me, was the interview with David spur break spear, who 196 00:10:33,170 --> 00:10:36,890 was the dad who had been in prison. I couldn't 197 00:10:36,890 --> 00:10:39,470 get charities who would agree to it. And of course, 198 00:10:39,470 --> 00:10:43,100 serving inmates can't have any contact with the media. So 199 00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:45,860 they were off the hook, the record, or, or they 200 00:10:45,860 --> 00:10:49,100 were off, off the menu. So that took me ages. 201 00:10:49,130 --> 00:10:52,730 And actually they are gone through all sorts of channels 202 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,060 via LinkedIn, 10, trying to Contact reformed criminals and so 203 00:10:56,060 --> 00:10:56,720 on and so forth. 204 00:10:59,090 --> 00:11:01,370 And eventually I know there was something that I haven't 205 00:11:01,370 --> 00:11:02,990 done it, I've just done a quick Twitter search and 206 00:11:02,990 --> 00:11:05,120 sure enough, David came up and I messaged him and 207 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,400 he was, he was good to go, but it took 208 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,790 me ages to actually reach that point. But I, I 209 00:11:10,790 --> 00:11:14,210 am a fussy, there'll be one or two where I've 210 00:11:14,210 --> 00:11:18,590 had to turn down all, you know, not recorded them. 211 00:11:18,650 --> 00:11:20,270 But I don't know. I think it's because I'm so 212 00:11:20,270 --> 00:11:23,270 fast, but what I'm going in with it. So I've 213 00:11:23,270 --> 00:11:26,810 got a very, you could put a meter coming up. 214 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,110 I've got an interview with a dad whose child was 215 00:11:30,710 --> 00:11:35,660 conceived via IVF. One that I'm really looking forward to, 216 00:11:36,860 --> 00:11:39,590 although it may be very, very niche is I'm going 217 00:11:39,590 --> 00:11:45,920 to be interviewing a, a dad who his wife is 218 00:11:45,980 --> 00:11:48,620 actually quite a senior cleric in the church of England. 219 00:11:50,060 --> 00:11:53,030 Because just, you know, you, there are all these stereotypes 220 00:11:53,050 --> 00:11:57,400 about the Vicar's wife, but what's it like if the 221 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,780 roll is reversed. So for the, for North American audience, 222 00:12:01,780 --> 00:12:04,150 is there a vicar, a priest, right. You know, there 223 00:12:04,150 --> 00:12:06,280 are so, yeah, I, I think that that will be 224 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,170 quite an interesting one. So it's, it's a case of 225 00:12:08,170 --> 00:12:11,320 coming out a sort of slightly off beat may be 226 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,920 interesting, you know, just, just coming up with those who 227 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,780 aren't very often interviewed 228 00:12:18,030 --> 00:12:21,510 And I can imagine as well, because of the, sometimes 229 00:12:21,510 --> 00:12:23,130 the topics that you're talking about, but as you mentioned, 230 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,470 that they can get very raw and emotional. How have 231 00:12:25,470 --> 00:12:28,560 you found that there's been any topics that Dads don't 232 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:30,180 want to talk about on the show or that have 233 00:12:30,180 --> 00:12:31,230 been pretty good so far? 234 00:12:32,190 --> 00:12:35,910 No, there, there have been pretty good so far in, 235 00:12:35,910 --> 00:12:38,880 in terms of rural and emotional, the one standard interview 236 00:12:38,910 --> 00:12:42,110 where there's Dan white, who is who, who has Emily. 237 00:12:42,110 --> 00:12:46,200 He has his daughter who's in, it has some, some 238 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,980 disability, but the other one was actually a guy called 239 00:12:50,310 --> 00:12:55,890 Dr. Robin Hadley, who is the only non father who 240 00:12:55,890 --> 00:12:59,850 I've interviewed. No, I interviewed him because he is involuntary 241 00:12:59,850 --> 00:13:05,490 childless. He is always wanted children, but circumstances meant that 242 00:13:05,490 --> 00:13:07,740 it has never happened. And he's now in his sixties. 243 00:13:07,830 --> 00:13:11,130 And he's actually turned to the study of involuntarily. Childless 244 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:16,080 may turn into an, into his own academic research or 245 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,250 show me that she is seen to a field of 246 00:13:17,250 --> 00:13:18,120 academic research. 247 00:13:18,810 --> 00:13:23,370 And that, that was very emotional. I mean, Robin has 248 00:13:23,370 --> 00:13:25,560 got quite a track record or speaking to the Media, 249 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:28,620 so I didn't expect it to be any problems, but 250 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:33,000 no, I have, I haven't, as of yet come across 251 00:13:33,180 --> 00:13:36,570 anyone, who's just refuse to talk about this subject or, 252 00:13:37,020 --> 00:13:38,430 you know, they have agreed to them. And I think 253 00:13:38,430 --> 00:13:41,250 that's partly, partly because like I say, I'm very fussy 254 00:13:41,250 --> 00:13:44,580 and that I vet people and I'm, I briefed him 255 00:13:44,580 --> 00:13:46,380 as well. You know, I will say, I'm gonna ask 256 00:13:46,380 --> 00:13:49,770 you X, Y and Zed. You know, I know what 257 00:13:49,770 --> 00:13:51,990 I want to get out of the Podcast. I should 258 00:13:51,990 --> 00:13:54,210 add where it has the most of the time I 259 00:13:54,210 --> 00:13:57,720 used to be a journalist. So I'm quite used to 260 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:58,800 asking the questions 261 00:13:59,580 --> 00:14:01,590 And also I've got a great research schools as well. 262 00:14:01,590 --> 00:14:03,090 So that's kind of, that's always a kind of help. 263 00:14:03,780 --> 00:14:05,850 So obviously you mentioned it earlier that made, you made 264 00:14:05,850 --> 00:14:08,670 the decision to be the stay at home dad for 265 00:14:08,670 --> 00:14:11,610 your two kids and your gas or Dads himself. So 266 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,760 is there anything that you've taken from your guests experience 267 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,970 that you've sort of implemented into your own teaching? Are 268 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,650 you now, or is in your own, your own kids? 269 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:27,120 The interview with Elliot RE the, the, the book about 270 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:33,060 his experiences is a black father. It did get me 271 00:14:34,050 --> 00:14:39,660 thinking about whether we should be having more discussions about 272 00:14:40,170 --> 00:14:45,720 race and ethnicity at home. And my, we are in 273 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,920 a white family and I've got all sorts of all 274 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,370 of you. My, my background is incredibly mixed as that 275 00:14:52,370 --> 00:14:56,120 happens, but I am a, I am a White, but 276 00:14:56,990 --> 00:15:00,980 listening to what Elliott had to say on the subject 277 00:15:01,010 --> 00:15:06,800 did just, it, it got me thinking, the actually we 278 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,550 liked to think we're living with in the same planet 279 00:15:10,550 --> 00:15:12,800 at the same country in having similar experiences. 280 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,700 But it actually went when Elliot was saying he he's 281 00:15:16,700 --> 00:15:20,300 walking around shop and he knows he is being followed 282 00:15:20,300 --> 00:15:22,220 by the security staff because of the color of his 283 00:15:22,220 --> 00:15:27,050 skin. And he has to worry about how his daughter 284 00:15:27,650 --> 00:15:31,670 is spoken to, and that he wouldn't want to live 285 00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:34,220 in that exclusively. Why is community? Because he would want 286 00:15:34,220 --> 00:15:36,740 to live and, and make sure that there were people 287 00:15:36,890 --> 00:15:40,430 around him who had had the similar life experiences. It 288 00:15:40,430 --> 00:15:42,590 just sort of got me, it made me sort of 289 00:15:42,590 --> 00:15:46,670 realize just how different actually our life experiences can be, 290 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:50,420 and that this should be shared with my children. So 291 00:15:50,690 --> 00:15:53,340 that is something that I have taken away at a 292 00:15:53,340 --> 00:15:58,040 greater exploration of a race, ethnicity, ethnicity, And, and having 293 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:58,940 a greater understanding. 294 00:15:59,830 --> 00:16:03,250 And, and I certainly mean the discussion. And you mentioned 295 00:16:03,250 --> 00:16:04,690 about RE should always be the top of my mind, 296 00:16:04,690 --> 00:16:06,550 but I think in, in the UK at the moment 297 00:16:06,550 --> 00:16:09,190 of the racial abuse, It sports stars are going through 298 00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:11,980 some of the football player's that they send the papers. 299 00:16:12,010 --> 00:16:15,280 But again, you know, like Marcus Rashford did a great 300 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,260 thing also with a a hundred kids and making sure 301 00:16:17,410 --> 00:16:19,570 that there was a movement to feed hundred kids, and 302 00:16:19,570 --> 00:16:21,970 he still got abused because of that. So when it 303 00:16:21,970 --> 00:16:23,830 shouldn't be involved, because it is the wrong call and 304 00:16:23,830 --> 00:16:27,370 you think really, you just can't put your head to 305 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:28,390 that, that mindset. 306 00:16:28,900 --> 00:16:31,810 No, you can't do it. And especially when you, you 307 00:16:31,810 --> 00:16:34,420 don't, you know, Marcus Rashford has made it made no 308 00:16:34,420 --> 00:16:40,360 secret about his background, either in a single-parent family with 309 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,270 a w w with a mom who has struggled. I 310 00:16:43,300 --> 00:16:45,910 did it, you know, it clearly he did an exceptionally 311 00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:48,730 good job, but I don't think there is any equipment 312 00:16:48,730 --> 00:16:53,410 look at the individual she raised, but, you know, your 313 00:16:53,410 --> 00:16:55,780 rights w I mean, he knows what he's talking about. 314 00:16:55,780 --> 00:16:56,320 It, he lived in it 315 00:16:57,070 --> 00:16:59,110 One, imagine you'd mentioned LLI as we were speaking, and 316 00:16:59,110 --> 00:17:01,360 then the green room, or you're under, what will it 317 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:02,470 be at the same? We are under locked on at 318 00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:05,670 the moment. How has that been deaf? What difference is 319 00:17:05,690 --> 00:17:08,560 that know brought to the day that the sort of 320 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,810 let me get my teeth. And what difference is is 321 00:17:10,810 --> 00:17:12,910 that we get to the dynamic of raising your kids 322 00:17:12,970 --> 00:17:14,830 under, you know, what's been going on, I guess, and 323 00:17:14,830 --> 00:17:15,880 the last 12 months or so. 324 00:17:17,260 --> 00:17:23,890 Oh, a dreary and really at wit's end now, well, 325 00:17:23,890 --> 00:17:29,380 at the situation in the UK, we, as a family 326 00:17:29,380 --> 00:17:32,530 who has an added complication in that our oldest daughter, 327 00:17:33,610 --> 00:17:37,630 Hellen, who is 11, we started secondary school or a 328 00:17:37,630 --> 00:17:40,000 high school. I was, I guess you could probably call 329 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:47,650 it in, in, in North America. So she's left a, 330 00:17:47,650 --> 00:17:49,920 what would you call it? An elementary school? Primary school 331 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,860 in the elementary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she she's left 332 00:17:52,860 --> 00:17:57,990 that environment and to go to secondary school, but of 333 00:17:57,990 --> 00:18:02,040 course that the schools in Britain was shut down towards 334 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,930 the end of March last year. 335 00:18:04,620 --> 00:18:08,340 So her primary school, we thought her primary schooling had 336 00:18:08,340 --> 00:18:10,410 just come to an end in March. And he thought 337 00:18:10,410 --> 00:18:16,000 that that was it. In fact, in the way that 338 00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:19,950 they, the certain age groups were cherry picked and did 339 00:18:19,950 --> 00:18:23,970 actually return to school for one months of schooling during 340 00:18:24,030 --> 00:18:26,850 the month of June. And Helen's a year group was 341 00:18:26,850 --> 00:18:30,420 one of them. So she had several months of have 342 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:37,370 what was at that time, actually homeschooling. Well, I had 343 00:18:37,370 --> 00:18:40,850 to move my, my computer down onto the dining room 344 00:18:40,850 --> 00:18:42,590 table. And I had to sit down with both my 345 00:18:42,590 --> 00:18:46,580 daughters and we did the, the tasks at the school 346 00:18:46,610 --> 00:18:47,180 set. 347 00:18:47,540 --> 00:18:52,610 They very rarely lasted the whole school day, but, and 348 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,840 it was very much kind of a, it, it was 349 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,140 really thrown together at speed. I mean, they actually, by 350 00:18:59,150 --> 00:19:01,220 daughters' school was, it was one of the better ones, 351 00:19:01,220 --> 00:19:05,450 but it was things were throwing together at, at speed. 352 00:19:06,140 --> 00:19:11,030 So she's face the challenge of starting secondary school having 353 00:19:11,030 --> 00:19:15,650 had that end to her, her elementary school years. But 354 00:19:15,650 --> 00:19:19,130 she had gone to, to, to the secondary school, having 355 00:19:19,130 --> 00:19:21,830 to abide by one way systems having to wear face 356 00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:29,420 masks with certain groups of pupils at certain times, having 357 00:19:29,420 --> 00:19:32,390 to be removed from school and being ordered to spend 358 00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:33,860 two weeks at home. 359 00:19:34,610 --> 00:19:38,330 There's been no after school activities and their sports activities. 360 00:19:38,780 --> 00:19:44,780 And my, for my youngest daughter, she didn't return to 361 00:19:44,780 --> 00:19:47,300 school again until September. So she has gone up a 362 00:19:47,300 --> 00:19:50,780 school year having not really finished the previous school year. 363 00:19:52,250 --> 00:19:57,380 And then it was just essentially from December and the 364 00:19:57,380 --> 00:19:59,840 school's closed down from the Christmas holidays. They haven't reopened 365 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,000 since, but they've gone to remote school in this time. 366 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,270 And this time there are Mo and I use that 367 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:12,200 term specifically because this time there were alive lessons and 368 00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:15,860 there was much more interaction with, with their class and 369 00:20:15,860 --> 00:20:16,520 they're teachers. 370 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,460 And they had the head teachers and its a much 371 00:20:19,460 --> 00:20:22,580 more structured school day and the kids are actually getting 372 00:20:22,580 --> 00:20:25,910 some learning out of it. I mean it's no, it's 373 00:20:25,910 --> 00:20:30,470 not, it doesn't replicate what they should be doing it 374 00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:32,930 at school. But that's been in a situation since December. 375 00:20:32,990 --> 00:20:36,590 Really my concern isn't actually so much for how much 376 00:20:36,620 --> 00:20:42,350 they were going to miss academically. My concern is that 377 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,190 the impact on their social development, 'cause the added thing. 378 00:20:46,250 --> 00:20:47,950 And I don't know how the, the, the, the lockdown 379 00:20:47,950 --> 00:20:51,970 is over there Danny but over here are basically since 380 00:20:51,970 --> 00:20:56,230 December and everything has been shot. So all non-essential retail 381 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:57,400 has been shot. 382 00:20:57,430 --> 00:21:02,560 You cannot meet with your neighbors. You can go to 383 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:08,140 the supermarket to buy clothes a lot. So you can 384 00:21:08,140 --> 00:21:10,150 go to a supermarket of, but you don't go to 385 00:21:10,150 --> 00:21:11,740 see my most of my clothes go to see the 386 00:21:11,740 --> 00:21:14,260 market to buy food, but the kids can't see their 387 00:21:14,260 --> 00:21:16,090 friends. They can't make sure that their friends are coming 388 00:21:16,090 --> 00:21:18,550 out with their family. We can go out and exercise, 389 00:21:18,850 --> 00:21:20,950 but that's all you were allowed to do. And my 390 00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:24,250 real concern is how their, their social development, what impact 391 00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:26,560 this is having on their, on their social development. And 392 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,060 in fact, my youngest daughter said to me that the 393 00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:30,640 day that she wishes she could get a time machine 394 00:21:31,060 --> 00:21:35,110 so that she could go forward and just skip the 395 00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:37,240 Corona You years, what's left with them. 396 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,690 And I think one thing that I don't know, obviously, 397 00:21:40,690 --> 00:21:43,780 no, what, what message you were being given out there 398 00:21:43,780 --> 00:21:48,070 in Canada, but Corona virus is a virus we've seen 399 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:51,520 several variants come up already where the vaccines that are 400 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,640 being rolled out will provide some protection tool, but in 401 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:58,120 not necessarily, I think we were having to prepare for 402 00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:02,920 the fact that this is a disease and possibly the 403 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,120 first we are experiencing in the Western world where we 404 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:10,480 are not getting rid of it and having Corona virus 405 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,380 testing kits in the family medicine cupboard is going to 406 00:22:14,380 --> 00:22:19,390 be as common as plasters and skin healing cream and 407 00:22:19,390 --> 00:22:20,410 cold remedies. 408 00:22:21,250 --> 00:22:24,970 And that's gonna be the future. And it's a brighter 409 00:22:24,970 --> 00:22:30,190 future. Once, once we have all been vaccinated, but it 410 00:22:30,190 --> 00:22:32,410 ain't going away, it's a disease, we've got to live 411 00:22:32,410 --> 00:22:34,540 with it. And so I know the skills that go 412 00:22:34,540 --> 00:22:37,240 back to the school year. So we'll mix again, but 413 00:22:37,390 --> 00:22:38,830 we are not getting rid of it. I don't think 414 00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:41,610 No, no. And that's an interesting point. You mentioned about 415 00:22:41,610 --> 00:22:44,790 the, the social aspect, our son he's 11. So same 416 00:22:44,790 --> 00:22:47,730 as usual a urologist. And he is very much a 417 00:22:47,730 --> 00:22:49,440 social butterfly. So he likes to go out and play 418 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,240 football and you're like steam mixed with his friends and 419 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,300 he's on a football rep football team over here. And 420 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:56,160 he's missed all that because we were under the same 421 00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:59,640 lockdown instructions that are under and were sitting there impact 422 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,250 on him. You know, he is he's real to become 423 00:23:02,580 --> 00:23:06,150 more prone to out person stuff. And it is not 424 00:23:06,150 --> 00:23:08,370 like that. Or, you know, so I completely agree with 425 00:23:08,370 --> 00:23:10,110 this. I think when we look back in years to 426 00:23:10,110 --> 00:23:12,930 come, there is definitely going to be a huge spike 427 00:23:12,930 --> 00:23:15,870 in say mental health issues are, you know, there are 428 00:23:15,870 --> 00:23:18,270 the social aspect on the kids are trying to go 429 00:23:18,270 --> 00:23:18,870 through this. 430 00:23:19,860 --> 00:23:22,410 There is a, it is going to, it is a 431 00:23:22,410 --> 00:23:27,570 huge worry. On the other hand, I have of unfortunate, 432 00:23:27,570 --> 00:23:29,250 not being able to put this into my podcast and 433 00:23:29,250 --> 00:23:32,610 in a suitable way yet, but it will happen, but 434 00:23:32,610 --> 00:23:35,190 I have put it on my blog and there's a 435 00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:38,280 lot of focus and quite rightly on the negative aspects 436 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,080 of, of Covid. We all know people who have had 437 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,650 it and had it very badly. And, and, and I'm 438 00:23:43,650 --> 00:23:47,450 sure some listeners were, unfortunately, people who have passed away, 439 00:23:47,450 --> 00:23:50,120 I got it got long Covid and so on, but 440 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:54,350 I do predict this is going to be a fascinating 441 00:23:54,590 --> 00:24:00,680 generation to watch because there for my own education is 442 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,470 getting the life pummeled out of it, but they aren't 443 00:24:03,470 --> 00:24:09,170 getting the most fascinating in formal education in, you know, 444 00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:10,670 I don't know what you're done with your kid's Danny, 445 00:24:10,670 --> 00:24:12,680 but I'm getting my kids to use the washing machine, 446 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,070 the tumble dryer, and, you know, getting into the cooking 447 00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:21,200 and baking and their getting a lesson in resilience, tolerance, 448 00:24:21,530 --> 00:24:27,440 understanding, and also a, when they're doing their remote learning, 449 00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:29,900 you know, this, you got to think about it. 450 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:31,790 You've got this generation of kids from the age of 451 00:24:31,820 --> 00:24:36,380 like four to sort of 20 to 23 university age, 452 00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:40,640 who of all, and they've now had two academic years 453 00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:45,440 punctuated with huge spells of remote learning. This is the 454 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,260 generation that is never going to work nine to five 455 00:24:49,550 --> 00:24:53,060 in an office or workplace, you know, that they just 456 00:24:53,060 --> 00:24:55,250 want to hang on. It can be schooled remotely. Why 457 00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:58,340 can't I, why can't I work remote? And also the 458 00:24:58,340 --> 00:25:01,460 online etiquette skills that these kids are developing are going 459 00:25:01,460 --> 00:25:03,260 to be second to none. I was told to know 460 00:25:03,260 --> 00:25:06,080 the data about it to you the day that the, 461 00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:09,620 you know, th with all the experiences they are getting 462 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,780 there, probably going to be better than the most adults 463 00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:15,350 or a meat. 464 00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:16,820 You know, that those kids who have just left the 465 00:25:16,820 --> 00:25:20,330 university, they spent so much time online. This is just 466 00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:21,560 what they do. 467 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,840 That's a great point. You raise about the, the remote 468 00:25:25,870 --> 00:25:27,940 and what the generation is going to be. Like I 469 00:25:27,940 --> 00:25:30,370 know here in Canada, there was a huge discussion at 470 00:25:30,370 --> 00:25:34,570 the moment about universal basic income and enabling people to 471 00:25:34,570 --> 00:25:36,850 be ready for something like this. So they can stay 472 00:25:36,850 --> 00:25:41,440 at home and, you know, bring the virus spread down 473 00:25:41,620 --> 00:25:43,120 because they were at home so that they do not 474 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:45,250 have to go to work sick, or they're not to 475 00:25:45,250 --> 00:25:47,020 go to school sick, because I know what we are 476 00:25:47,070 --> 00:25:48,760 as parents, we could be guilty of sending kids to 477 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,250 school with a runny nose when really they should be 478 00:25:51,250 --> 00:25:54,040 at home so that the not making any money off 479 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,660 sick. So it's gonna be like you say, well, that's 480 00:25:55,660 --> 00:25:59,590 a great point about what's, what's the, the benefits of 481 00:25:59,590 --> 00:26:01,940 the society as a whole, from this, what, what are 482 00:26:01,940 --> 00:26:03,850 we gonna take from the lesson's as we move forward. 483 00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:06,730 I'm really glad to hear that having that conversation in 484 00:26:06,730 --> 00:26:11,110 Canada, that the Irish we're having a similar conversation. And 485 00:26:11,140 --> 00:26:15,670 unfortunately the government in the UK, I don't know if 486 00:26:15,670 --> 00:26:17,350 I've hidden this well so far, but I've got very 487 00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:20,560 little time for the, the, the, the one concern seems 488 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,720 to be, to forcing people back to the office that 489 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:29,590 they'll buy sandwiches and keep major sandwich retailers alive. Actually, 490 00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:32,980 I see, great. Danny, we've gotten way off topic regarding 491 00:26:32,980 --> 00:26:37,840 the podcast, but I actually, this is a huge, I'm 492 00:26:38,380 --> 00:26:40,660 one of the things I do I'm actually involved with, 493 00:26:40,690 --> 00:26:43,860 with LinkedIn as a change maker. One of the things 494 00:26:43,860 --> 00:26:46,080 I'm involved in the campaigning for is to make flexible, 495 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:52,320 working more available to anybody, with caring responsibilities. 496 00:26:52,830 --> 00:26:56,550 And one of the points I've made with my campaigning 497 00:26:56,550 --> 00:27:00,930 work with LinkedIn is, is it a different situation than 498 00:27:00,930 --> 00:27:03,330 Canada, but in the UK, obviously we've got a much 499 00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:08,760 more compact population base where people commute into the cities 500 00:27:09,780 --> 00:27:12,780 every day to work well with COVID with people working 501 00:27:12,780 --> 00:27:15,660 from home and people not wanting to go back to 502 00:27:15,660 --> 00:27:17,790 work in the city is five days a week. We've 503 00:27:17,790 --> 00:27:22,020 got this opportunity to actually take these businesses and to 504 00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:25,560 relocate all, to have small, independent businesses open up in 505 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,980 the provinces where people that are actually working on at 506 00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:30,420 home so that you can work on at home, you 507 00:27:30,420 --> 00:27:32,280 can go to your local coffee shop instead of having 508 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,270 to buy a Starbucks. 509 00:27:33,270 --> 00:27:35,190 You can buy a snake from a family, run business, 510 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:40,680 you know, the long-term possibilities, or, you know, that I 511 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,420 think some good can come out of it. So it's 512 00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:44,970 obviously, it's, it's a tragedy for us, for the many, 513 00:27:44,970 --> 00:27:47,940 many people who were involved, who have fallen ill with 514 00:27:47,940 --> 00:27:52,560 Covid. But that, that there are some good could come 515 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:52,980 out of this. 516 00:27:53,780 --> 00:27:55,910 So you mentioned to get back to the topic because 517 00:27:55,910 --> 00:27:57,980 you did, so that will hold up. So that was 518 00:27:57,980 --> 00:28:00,740 my fault. So I, for drifting you off there, you 519 00:28:00,860 --> 00:28:02,510 had mentioned it, obviously, if you have been a stay 520 00:28:02,510 --> 00:28:06,710 at home dad for 10 years, and what, what do 521 00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:08,980 you, what did you find? How have you found that 522 00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:12,050 the fact that because of the lockdowns, you've had more 523 00:28:12,050 --> 00:28:15,710 quality time to be involved with your daughter's and what 524 00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:18,080 they were learning from a lifer point of view, as 525 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,940 opposed to a window we're going to school regularly, and 526 00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:24,170 then coming back. So you were seeing them maybe less 527 00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:25,880 in June the day, what it is now you're seeing 528 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,610 them, or what's, how has that benefited you yourself as 529 00:28:28,670 --> 00:28:29,360 a, as a dad 530 00:28:30,170 --> 00:28:35,720 W right. I'm going to probably totally confused you here 531 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,050 and say for me, it hasn't, but for my wife, 532 00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:46,910 Amy has been a huge change. Actually 'cause my wife 533 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,430 would leave the house to sort of half six in 534 00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:51,290 the morning. She'd get back at about seven o'clock at 535 00:28:51,290 --> 00:28:56,600 night, normally prior to, to Covid. But for the past 536 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,570 year, she has been working from home. So actually, when 537 00:28:59,570 --> 00:29:04,220 the kids have been going to school, she has been 538 00:29:04,220 --> 00:29:06,260 around in the mornings to help me get them ready. 539 00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:09,800 And she has been around in the evenings to help 540 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,240 them with, with school work. 541 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,000 And we have a done more activity's as a family, 542 00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:16,370 within locked down rules, which had the minute, it means 543 00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:18,200 we can actually do much more than go out for 544 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,870 a walk together. But that has happened pretty much every, 545 00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:27,920 you know, every day. So for my wife, Jill, she's 546 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,980 got to spend a lot more time with the kids. 547 00:29:31,220 --> 00:29:33,860 I suppose, if I were to get all deep and 548 00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:37,220 meaningful about this, I think what I have taken away 549 00:29:37,220 --> 00:29:43,660 from this is I could, should, and am relaxing a 550 00:29:43,660 --> 00:29:45,490 bit more with the kids, I guess I'd possibly, I 551 00:29:45,490 --> 00:29:49,570 always felt under pressure that every activity should be education 552 00:29:49,570 --> 00:29:51,490 or, or every activity should be. 553 00:29:53,290 --> 00:29:55,030 Yeah. Let's just say for your activity, activities should be 554 00:29:55,030 --> 00:29:59,890 educational when actually, no, it doesn't have to be. And 555 00:29:59,890 --> 00:30:05,110 yes, I will cook my kids pancakes every day for 556 00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:09,640 breakfast while I can. 'cause why not? Why not? I'm 557 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,140 not going to get the chance to do this anymore. 558 00:30:11,170 --> 00:30:15,400 They want, they want them. It's been a bit of 559 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,700 fun. Actually. We waste a lot less milk as a 560 00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:22,300 family in cakes compared to the breakfast cereal. 561 00:30:22,380 --> 00:30:25,170 What about my, daughter's got some pancakes on to go 562 00:30:25,170 --> 00:30:27,690 upstairs, but she's here. So this is the first time 563 00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:29,490 I've actually gone back to your point about, you know, 564 00:30:29,490 --> 00:30:32,520 learning life lessons and she's eight or nine, you know 565 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,780 what she is? She's nine. Now she took on the 566 00:30:33,780 --> 00:30:36,630 name of this month about me. So she's, she is 567 00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:39,780 making pancakes that you have, you've got two daughters. And 568 00:30:39,780 --> 00:30:42,690 you had mentioned earlier about the, the same sex parent 569 00:30:42,690 --> 00:30:47,580 guests from, from your shore. How how's your day, if 570 00:30:47,580 --> 00:30:48,840 you've got a boy and a girl saw, what we 571 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,100 were trying to do is we were trying to be 572 00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:53,670 gender neutral and there is no pink for girls blue 573 00:30:53,670 --> 00:30:55,650 for boys, all that kinda stuff. And we try to, 574 00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:57,600 you know, knock them on the head of it. It 575 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,970 comes up in the TV or whatever. How has that 576 00:30:59,970 --> 00:31:02,220 been for, for yourself as a father to two girls 577 00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:04,230 as these, these kind of conversations that have come up 578 00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:04,380 or, 579 00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:09,810 And they do? I'm an interestingly I have is when 580 00:31:09,810 --> 00:31:11,820 the kids were younger on a couple of occasions, I 581 00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:13,380 took them both to one side and sort of had 582 00:31:13,380 --> 00:31:14,910 to say to, you do realize that you come from 583 00:31:14,910 --> 00:31:20,760 quiet, a, a, a, a unique, which is probably not 584 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,260 the word I used, but when you, you come from 585 00:31:22,260 --> 00:31:24,060 quite a rare family in that, you've got a mummy 586 00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:27,210 who goes out to work every single day. And you've 587 00:31:27,210 --> 00:31:30,570 got me at home doing everything for you, you know, 588 00:31:30,570 --> 00:31:33,060 have you got any concerns over that? And I now 589 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,220 remember having that conversation with my eldest at one point, 590 00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:38,220 he was, he knew him any concerns, any questions. And 591 00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:41,130 she looked at me and she said, yeah, can I 592 00:31:41,130 --> 00:31:44,400 have some chocolate? And, you know, they, they just see 593 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,920 it, that sort of thing, or they just see through 594 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,050 these things. 595 00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:56,280 Interestingly, they, my two daughters are slightly different in approach. 596 00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:59,630 My eldest daughter will question that type of thing as 597 00:31:59,630 --> 00:32:02,310 she comes across it, or, you know, she comes across 598 00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:04,560 the sexism in any form, or she does have a 599 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,740 nice, and she does. So the question in my youngest 600 00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:16,350 daughter, Izzy, not so much. Umm, but that said, I 601 00:32:16,350 --> 00:32:21,270 think that there is something to be said for B 602 00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:22,970 having a father as a main carer. I mean, I 603 00:32:22,980 --> 00:32:25,050 had someone did actually one say to me and I've, 604 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,320 I've never actually got around to referencing this, which I 605 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,960 would like to do. But the girls who have a 606 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,270 father as main carer are apparently more confident. 607 00:32:36,930 --> 00:32:40,010 And the, the, the, the logic is so I'm told 608 00:32:40,340 --> 00:32:43,820 that men are raised to be risk-takers. It's what happens 609 00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:48,350 in your childhood, that your mother and your father raised 610 00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:51,740 to, to, to, to take risks. And then you as 611 00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:53,930 a man is a MaineCare for your children. You them 612 00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:58,730 pass it on to your daughter's. So they are to 613 00:32:58,730 --> 00:33:01,160 put it, to put it bluntly. They take a slightly 614 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:06,170 more masculine look on the world and they react to 615 00:33:06,170 --> 00:33:09,860 it accordingly. And I think that's possibly what's happened with 616 00:33:09,860 --> 00:33:12,710 my kids. And I'm not saying, I agree, I agree 617 00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:15,170 with that, but I'm not saying that's right. And it 618 00:33:15,170 --> 00:33:20,720 says an awful lot about our expectations of gender and 619 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,160 how we raise children. 620 00:33:23,180 --> 00:33:25,130 So I'm not saying it's wrong that it should work 621 00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:28,310 that way, but if my kids are gonna benefit from 622 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:32,090 it, I let that be. You know, that's a great, 623 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,050 as far as I'm concerned. 624 00:33:33,850 --> 00:33:36,070 Okay. And obviously you've got a, an Asian man, you 625 00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:38,440 got an older daughter whose now in high school at 626 00:33:40,570 --> 00:33:42,130 the secondary school, I can try to remember in the 627 00:33:42,130 --> 00:33:43,510 UK to that I have been away for that long 628 00:33:43,510 --> 00:33:48,880 don't apologize and getting closer to becoming a teenager. How 629 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,100 is that? Has there been any changes that you have 630 00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:53,470 seen in, how are you approaching that? And a difficult 631 00:33:53,470 --> 00:33:54,430 conversation is coming up? 632 00:33:56,020 --> 00:33:58,750 Oh, well I've had the ad some difficult conversations already. 633 00:33:58,750 --> 00:34:01,870 And I have noticed that there is that it's difficult, 634 00:34:01,870 --> 00:34:03,490 you know, that it is an interesting thing. They have 635 00:34:03,490 --> 00:34:05,860 done it. How much of this is locked down and 636 00:34:05,860 --> 00:34:08,500 how much of this is growing up? I don't know. 637 00:34:08,530 --> 00:34:11,140 I have noticed with, with the oldest that there has 638 00:34:11,140 --> 00:34:17,740 been a change in mood and temperament, and it's quite 639 00:34:17,740 --> 00:34:19,450 a bit to say, as I say, it's quite difficult 640 00:34:19,450 --> 00:34:22,630 to know how much of that is down to two 641 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,130 months of tolerating, this infernal lockdown and how much of 642 00:34:27,130 --> 00:34:32,110 it is just growing up an age and naturally striking 643 00:34:32,110 --> 00:34:37,210 out for independence. I don't know. But yes, there have 644 00:34:37,210 --> 00:34:41,080 been, there have been changes and yes, there were all 645 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,580 manner of conversations that have been hard. 646 00:34:45,580 --> 00:34:46,780 But I do, I have to say that one of 647 00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:49,410 the things that I'm always very and I push her 648 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,520 quite hard as it is. I th I think that 649 00:34:52,030 --> 00:34:58,450 awkward conversations, whether it be about menstruation, sex, puberty, whatever, 650 00:34:58,450 --> 00:35:01,360 I'm a firm believer that they should start at home 651 00:35:01,390 --> 00:35:03,970 and at school should meet him, fill in the gaps. 652 00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:07,420 Yeah. I would say for sure, it was like, I 653 00:35:07,420 --> 00:35:09,490 know we are trying to have the conversation is like 654 00:35:09,490 --> 00:35:12,070 you say, by the end and try not to make 655 00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:14,690 it to your point about it. Mom, who just wants 656 00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:16,630 to speak to there, that the doctor and dad, he 657 00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:18,070 just wants to speak to the son about these things 658 00:35:18,070 --> 00:35:19,300 and try to make it a mixed, you know, our 659 00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:22,060 next conversation. And, and, and that's such a key thing, 660 00:35:22,060 --> 00:35:24,790 like you say, you know, to, to make sure that 661 00:35:24,910 --> 00:35:26,860 the confidence as they are on, on all sides. 662 00:35:27,610 --> 00:35:31,690 Oh yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. And one of the things 663 00:35:31,690 --> 00:35:36,190 I would always say is as you, when it comes 664 00:35:36,190 --> 00:35:39,870 to having an awkward with children, and I'm the one, 665 00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:43,170 the one example I would give, and I do apologize 666 00:35:43,170 --> 00:35:45,990 if I'm taking your Podcast off into the territory. It's 667 00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:50,160 never quite been into before is periods. Okay. Men as 668 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,770 fathers are in a speck tack you really strong position 669 00:35:55,830 --> 00:36:02,160 to talk to their daughters about periods, because women are 670 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,580 raised to think of periods as taboo and women really 671 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:07,710 don't like talking about it. 672 00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:13,050 Whereas men, the way guys is raised, as I say, 673 00:36:13,050 --> 00:36:14,640 I'm not saying this is a good thing. I'm not 674 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,240 saying it's the right way that the, the, we, we 675 00:36:18,270 --> 00:36:21,660 raised at the particular agendas, but men are raised to 676 00:36:21,660 --> 00:36:24,660 think practically. So a man can go in to that 677 00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:28,890 conversation with their daughter's and say, this is what is 678 00:36:28,890 --> 00:36:31,710 going to happen. Its biology. This is what you're gonna 679 00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:36,390 do about it. And can just go in they're completely 680 00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:39,180 fearless. Were there any of the taboos that a lot 681 00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:45,000 of women unfortunately have, have got because of the way 682 00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:49,560 women are raised and what we would talk about the 683 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,790 rest, talk about periods. 684 00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:52,200 And if this is where it goes back to my 685 00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:56,190 sort of experiences, not so much with the podcast, but 686 00:36:56,190 --> 00:36:59,250 with the blog. I mean, I've had women comment on 687 00:36:59,250 --> 00:37:01,350 my blog or on my social media channels in the 688 00:37:01,350 --> 00:37:04,410 past who told me they are like a 13 year 689 00:37:04,410 --> 00:37:07,950 old daughters and they have never spoken to them about 690 00:37:07,950 --> 00:37:11,850 sex or about periods. I would be horrified if a 691 00:37:11,850 --> 00:37:15,360 father told me he had never spoken to his 13 692 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,660 year old daughters about those things and to hear a 693 00:37:18,660 --> 00:37:22,650 mum saying those things, it just, yeah, I, I th 694 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,470 I, I just find that statement actually also really quite 695 00:37:25,470 --> 00:37:29,880 sad that people feel quite so pet up that they 696 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,310 can't actually discuss this, but Hey daddy, I mean, you're, 697 00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:34,890 you're, you're from Scotland. 698 00:37:34,890 --> 00:37:36,780 And I know, I know being married to a Scot 699 00:37:36,780 --> 00:37:39,210 that the Scots, it can be even more reserved in 700 00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:43,140 the English. So I, I try to think, you know, 701 00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:47,520 and I think between us, our two nations Excel in 702 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,940 possibly feeling awkward about discussing these things. 703 00:37:51,380 --> 00:37:53,060 And I was going to ask you that because I 704 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:55,280 do you think it is a cultural thing? Cause I 705 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,140 look at Europe, you're look at France and you're look 706 00:37:57,140 --> 00:37:59,540 at it earlier. That's seems to be, for example, they 707 00:37:59,540 --> 00:38:02,570 have a wine is a normal dinner or a drink 708 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,090 and a half to 12, 13, 14 year old kids, 709 00:38:05,090 --> 00:38:06,890 you know, having a glass of wine at dinner. So 710 00:38:06,890 --> 00:38:09,680 there's less chance of alcoholism in Europe or at least 711 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,750 in the other countries that are, that, you know, promote 712 00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:13,970 that. So do you think it's a cultural thing that 713 00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:17,450 we are RE regressed in the UK at the voucher, 714 00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:20,690 say Europe or North America to a degree or Australia 715 00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:21,530 or New Zealand? 716 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,730 Oh, well it depends on the subject matter. You see 717 00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:30,290 it because for my sins, I am actually half French. 718 00:38:31,220 --> 00:38:34,790 And now when it comes to issues of gender equality, 719 00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:42,460 the U K and actually Canada as a shining light 720 00:38:42,460 --> 00:38:47,350 on this front as well is, is actually quite well. 721 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,250 It's not as advanced to Sweden's Norway's Iceland's Finland's of 722 00:38:51,250 --> 00:38:56,590 this world, but I would rather raise my kids in, 723 00:38:58,060 --> 00:39:03,580 in the UK than the necessary and France or Germany 724 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,330 or Italy, or maybe not so much Germany, Germany, and 725 00:39:07,420 --> 00:39:10,240 I'll give the Germans in the, in the dark shirt 726 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:11,350 or a pass out. 727 00:39:11,650 --> 00:39:14,620 But, but I think when it comes to gender equality, 728 00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:17,950 those CA those nations, our actually behind us. And I 729 00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:22,030 thought of me doing what I do being the main 730 00:39:22,030 --> 00:39:28,510 carer for my kids would be, you know, in, in, 731 00:39:28,510 --> 00:39:31,030 in the UK, it's sort of a bit interesting. I 732 00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:33,990 mean, it would be nice and revolutionary, I think, in, 733 00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:37,690 in those societies, but w you know, when it comes 734 00:39:37,690 --> 00:39:41,890 to booze and drugs and, and that sort of thing, 735 00:39:41,890 --> 00:39:43,900 I just in the UK has got a problem. I 736 00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:49,300 really we've got quite an unhealthy approach to those times. 737 00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:53,050 He is not necessarily, you know, no, I think there 738 00:39:53,050 --> 00:39:55,750 are a European countries out there where, where they probably 739 00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:57,220 have got bigger issues actually. 740 00:39:57,220 --> 00:40:00,280 But yeah, I think a certain amount of it is, 741 00:40:02,050 --> 00:40:05,800 is CA is culture and nature nurture all of that. 742 00:40:07,380 --> 00:40:08,520 So one of the things that they wanted to ask 743 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,500 you, I'm, I'm not sure if it's as your way 744 00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:11,460 to listen to your podcast, 745 00:40:13,470 --> 00:40:16,710 Do you know? I don't actually encourage her to do 746 00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:20,190 engaged with anything I do online. I don't encourage anyone. 747 00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:21,900 I know too, actually, I've just thought I've got a 748 00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:24,810 bit more free rain, you know, if, if, but, you 749 00:40:24,810 --> 00:40:27,510 know, obviously people find out and they do. So they 750 00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:32,970 might, my wife isn't hugely engaged with, with my podcast. 751 00:40:32,970 --> 00:40:35,070 So you can ask what you like. Danny 752 00:40:35,580 --> 00:40:37,380 What I was curious if there's been anything that you 753 00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:40,200 spoke about of your guests, and you've used an example 754 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,750 from your own parenting and she's listened after where it 755 00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:44,370 says you to didn't do that, or no, I wish 756 00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:46,020 you'd done in an hour or whatever that your guests 757 00:40:46,020 --> 00:40:47,880 that said, I don't know everything that it popped up 758 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:48,180 there. 759 00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:57,690 No, that hasn't happened yet. If it will happen on 760 00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:00,930 this, I'm sure. Umm, but no, it, it, it, it 761 00:41:00,930 --> 00:41:04,110 hasn't happened yet. I'm so sorry to let you down 762 00:41:04,110 --> 00:41:05,700 on that one that I wish I could give you 763 00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:07,590 an example where that actually. 764 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,020 So we're going to try to find a, a contact 765 00:41:10,020 --> 00:41:11,610 detail for a walk and just say, you gotta listen 766 00:41:11,610 --> 00:41:12,990 to the show up. Good call is going to be 767 00:41:12,990 --> 00:41:16,620 speaking about this. So you get your podcasts. We launched 768 00:41:16,620 --> 00:41:18,570 it a year, launched it at the end of last 769 00:41:18,570 --> 00:41:22,890 year. So still a relatively new what's your goal. As 770 00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:25,260 you move forward a, are you going to move in 771 00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:27,590 to video? You mentioned that you prefer Audio, but are 772 00:41:27,590 --> 00:41:29,310 you thinking of moving in, moving to the video or 773 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,470 are we, do you like to get back to C 774 00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:34,070 in-person interviews? What, what kind of the plant's 775 00:41:34,070 --> 00:41:36,350 That he got for the shot? Yeah, well, what I 776 00:41:36,350 --> 00:41:39,410 have decided to do with the foreseeable future is to, 777 00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:43,100 I'm going to produce an episode in monthly. Now I 778 00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:48,530 may up for that in time, what I was incredibly 779 00:41:48,530 --> 00:41:51,260 fortunate and I have to say, I was staggered to 780 00:41:51,260 --> 00:41:55,580 have done. This was, there was a new podcasting award 781 00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:59,660 was launched in the UK just a few months back 782 00:42:00,140 --> 00:42:02,300 or the podcasting for business awards. And I entered my 783 00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:05,720 Podcast into it, into the, into the family category. And 784 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:07,340 to my amazement, I didn't win it, but I didn't 785 00:42:07,340 --> 00:42:10,250 get the runner-up prize, which I was stuck at by 786 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,770 actually. And it, it sort of made me thing that, 787 00:42:12,770 --> 00:42:15,380 well, I must be on to something here, so I'm 788 00:42:15,380 --> 00:42:15,680 going to it. 789 00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:19,940 I'm definitely going to keep at it. W my plans 790 00:42:19,940 --> 00:42:25,280 are, are to grow our audience. And your absolutely right 791 00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:30,950 is a very new Podcast. So not that, you know, 792 00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:36,080 10th episode, we will be out a very soon in 793 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,640 the next few weeks what's I know I have got 794 00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:42,740 to do. And what I have taken steps to do 795 00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:47,090 is to improve the quality of my audio. And not 796 00:42:47,090 --> 00:42:48,590 that it didn't get the wrong way that it's not 797 00:42:48,590 --> 00:42:50,840 being shocking, but I know that on some episodes it's 798 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,930 been better than on others while I started off. I 799 00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:55,340 wasn't sure if I was going to keep doing this 800 00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:55,640 forever. 801 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,280 So I basically bought a game as head set, and 802 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,690 that's what I recorded the first few episodes on. But 803 00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:06,830 then I did have a particular episode where an individual, 804 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,940 although I was sort of microphoned up and everything, it 805 00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:15,080 was done via zoom, and he was on a laptop 806 00:43:15,110 --> 00:43:17,810 and he kept moving away and kept moving forward. I 807 00:43:17,810 --> 00:43:20,000 was, he was like, Oh, am I allowed to swear 808 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,070 at Danny? Well, I can always blip it or I 809 00:43:22,070 --> 00:43:24,410 can put whatever it is. It's like, okay, I may 810 00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:27,380 have said a few swear words or can't you just 811 00:43:27,380 --> 00:43:32,270 stay there, or, you know, so I've spoken to other 812 00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:37,100 people and learn a few tips. So I'm, I'm improve 813 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,380 my audio quality in future episodes is going to be 814 00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:44,480 much better, also invested in my concern, so on. 815 00:43:46,070 --> 00:43:48,020 And I've had a lot more ideas to the two 816 00:43:48,090 --> 00:43:52,460 types of fathers that I am going to interview. Now, 817 00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:55,550 obviously I reckon the phone, but to be honest, I've 818 00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:58,670 probably got a good four of five years worth of 819 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,720 fathers. I could actually interview at some point, I imagine 820 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:04,970 I probably will want to broaden out. And the idea 821 00:44:04,970 --> 00:44:07,220 that the thing I'm looking to do is to do 822 00:44:07,220 --> 00:44:09,090 much more like this, actually speak to other people on 823 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,800 other people's podcasts, which is great fun as you grow. 824 00:44:12,890 --> 00:44:15,770 I saw a comment that was made to me was 825 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,480 podcasting is like what blogging was 10 years ago. And 826 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,200 actually when I started podcasting also got the experience of 827 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,540 a blogger. I'm gonna go going forward. I thought, actually 828 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:33,090 I do see some similarities to, to, to, you know, 829 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,340 what I was doing with the blog and sort of 830 00:44:35,340 --> 00:44:36,090 eight years ago. 831 00:44:36,090 --> 00:44:38,970 And otherwise it's sort of, Oh, I know this, you 832 00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:41,520 know, I can, or I can predict what's going to 833 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,790 happen with podcasting. It is in certain aspects and, and 834 00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:48,450 sort of see what I've got to do. So, yeah, 835 00:44:48,450 --> 00:44:52,500 I, I will be using my experiences, you know, that 836 00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:55,380 I learned blogging sort of try and grow my audience, 837 00:44:55,770 --> 00:44:59,190 uhm, as a podcast because I would like, I would 838 00:44:59,460 --> 00:45:03,690 like to grow it seriously. And I just, you know, 839 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,480 that it, I do love it. What I found is 840 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:12,630 that there is a fantastic podcasting community and I think 841 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:18,720 also podcasting has boomed due to COVID and a thing 842 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:21,750 I find fascinating as when I look through all the 843 00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:23,790 various podcasts as some of the podcast, I like to 844 00:45:23,790 --> 00:45:27,480 listen to listen to are actually on some of the, 845 00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:30,140 the, the, the fiction a, you know, what you, what 846 00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:31,620 he wants to put a time we would have called 847 00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:32,670 radio plays. 848 00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:35,220 No idea what you call with them on podcasts as 849 00:45:35,220 --> 00:45:37,080 a podcast playing. So I don't know why, but I 850 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,680 listened to it, loads of them and the number of 851 00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:44,820 a list or Hollywood stars that are cropping up doing 852 00:45:44,820 --> 00:45:47,640 podcasts because they're not doing any filming. I mean, it's 853 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,060 amazing. I mean, it's just, I see a huge potential 854 00:45:51,060 --> 00:45:53,400 to, and what's been really interesting actually is to sit 855 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,570 back and watch our clubhouse. It is booming as well. 856 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,080 And I am on, Clubhouse not that I'd done a 857 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,450 great day with it yet, but I think all of 858 00:46:03,450 --> 00:46:05,580 the people I'm following or the, all of the people 859 00:46:05,580 --> 00:46:09,630 I follow there is definitely a Podcast theme. There they 860 00:46:09,630 --> 00:46:11,580 are all people who I would love to hear or 861 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,150 doing something Audio, but I wouldn't necessarily read it or 862 00:46:15,150 --> 00:46:17,700 watch a video, but in answer to your question, what 863 00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:20,700 do I do video sort of got my fingers burned 864 00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:21,330 a few years ago. 865 00:46:21,330 --> 00:46:23,430 You know, if I tried making it as a YouTuber 866 00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:27,060 and had to accept the fact that maybe I'm not 867 00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:27,690 that good. 868 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,520 Well, it's, it's a very different medium. I know of 869 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,170 like a, like a couple of guests, I was speaking 870 00:46:33,170 --> 00:46:37,100 to a couple of months back, the, the gentleman, it 871 00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:41,060 said, you've got a great phase for podcast. And I 872 00:46:41,060 --> 00:46:43,670 was thinking, Oh, did you just, this appeal was early 873 00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:45,980 in the Copeland or whatever. So it wasn't really sure 874 00:46:45,980 --> 00:46:48,140 that I've had them. Yeah. I don't think that I 875 00:46:48,140 --> 00:46:50,780 feel really uncomfortable even when I'm doing like train and 876 00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:54,470 videos or whatever, you know, like low explainer videos, but 877 00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:58,400 Podcast, CA, I get really awkward. And I can't, I'm 878 00:46:58,430 --> 00:47:00,350 far different from what I'm just speaking on our, a 879 00:47:00,350 --> 00:47:01,040 show like this. 880 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,840 So what I, I, you know, I, again, I do 881 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,950 just think of it a bit differently. I think it 882 00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:14,990 was ice tea once said for those under the age 883 00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:20,600 of 40, very famous rapper who went into acting. I 884 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,750 remember him say once that whenever he cut a new 885 00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:27,710 tune, he would go to his car and stick it 886 00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:30,160 on a stereo. And it's a, what do you do 887 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,000 when you're driving? You're listening to music and this was 888 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,430 always stuck with me. Actually. It was a very interesting 889 00:47:36,430 --> 00:47:39,820 comment to me because actually in this day and age, 890 00:47:39,820 --> 00:47:43,090 when your Bluetooth, you, you, you have your phone to 891 00:47:43,090 --> 00:47:44,830 go to the car or, or whatever, actually, no, you 892 00:47:44,830 --> 00:47:46,150 might not be, listen to me, is that you might 893 00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:47,920 be listening to podcasts or whatever. 894 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,610 And I think that is actually the beauty of the 895 00:47:51,610 --> 00:47:58,450 podcasts is the fact that, you know, it's streaming media 896 00:47:58,450 --> 00:48:01,690 radio almost. I mean, if you choose to w when 897 00:48:01,690 --> 00:48:04,060 you listen to it and you've got such a wealth 898 00:48:04,060 --> 00:48:06,850 of stuff that you can actually choose to listen to 899 00:48:07,810 --> 00:48:14,380 'em if you shoot a video, shoot a video, I, 900 00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:17,320 I, I'm probably gonna upset a few people are saying 901 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,700 this, but I kinda think the podcast video is genre. 902 00:48:24,490 --> 00:48:26,680 You're making a video. You don't make it a podcast. 903 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:31,240 I think by rise podcast should kind of be audio 904 00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:31,690 only. 905 00:48:32,740 --> 00:48:34,330 And I know wait for the hate mail. 906 00:48:34,410 --> 00:48:36,840 Okay. Have you done any of the Podcast in groups 907 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,090 on Facebook? You'll get a lot of that, because that 908 00:48:40,110 --> 00:48:41,850 was one of the big conversations I see all the 909 00:48:41,850 --> 00:48:44,610 time is when someone says about to your point, you 910 00:48:44,610 --> 00:48:46,140 know, it's our videos, you just made none, it's a 911 00:48:46,140 --> 00:48:48,570 podcast and it's a video and it had just the 912 00:48:48,570 --> 00:48:51,030 comments just lay up, you know, you can sit back 913 00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:53,130 and be a popcorn and just watch it unfold. 914 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,960 Yeah. Well, again, I've, I've got a, I've sorta going 915 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:03,720 to come back to my experiences, not so much as 916 00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:06,360 a, as, as, as a blogger, but when I've had 917 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,080 to create content in video format, I mean, I've got 918 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,890 a cupboard here that is full, you know, and every 919 00:49:13,890 --> 00:49:15,420 now and again, I'll have to do it again. And 920 00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:19,860 I've got the lights and I've got a stand-alone video 921 00:49:19,860 --> 00:49:25,230 camera. We've also got pros. I've got all that stuff. 922 00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:28,920 Pod cast, actually, you don't really need much more than 923 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,350 a really good set of headphones and a good microphone 924 00:49:31,350 --> 00:49:37,080 on a day. They are so different skills that you 925 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,060 need for producing for the different media. 926 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,220 But yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm just putting my flag in 927 00:49:44,220 --> 00:49:46,980 the ground now in saying Audio only podcasts or anything 928 00:49:46,980 --> 00:49:50,610 else has a video, sorry. She came to us. 929 00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:55,050 Would you ever consider, obviously that your show is about 930 00:49:55,050 --> 00:49:58,080 Dads and their experiences? What did you ever consider having 931 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,870 your daughter's on it? Talk about their experience being raised 932 00:50:00,870 --> 00:50:01,200 by. 933 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,470 I know that I never thought about it, but yes. 934 00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:11,070 What a brilliant idea. Yeah. So that, that, that can 935 00:50:11,070 --> 00:50:14,610 be really interesting actually. And I should, I really should, 936 00:50:14,730 --> 00:50:16,740 I really should ask him about that and see if 937 00:50:16,740 --> 00:50:19,590 they would be a be up for that, because I 938 00:50:19,590 --> 00:50:23,850 think they would be, it would be really quite difficult 939 00:50:23,850 --> 00:50:29,960 to edit the sewed, I think, but no, no, that's 940 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,700 a really good idea that he knew what it should 941 00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:36,650 do, that I should do that and just see what, 942 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,200 what they think of what they say totally unscripted. I 943 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,730 think that would be huge fun. 944 00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:41,480 That'd 945 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,310 Be interesting to listen back to that for sure. 946 00:50:44,330 --> 00:50:46,640 Ah, thank you. I, I, I think it would, I 947 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,890 mean, that's the whole of the Podcast shot and there 948 00:50:48,890 --> 00:50:51,530 isn't a good thing getting kids to being interviewed about 949 00:50:51,530 --> 00:50:54,830 their parents'. I mean, yeah. And what a great idea 950 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,690 if I should speak to you more often Danny 951 00:50:57,670 --> 00:51:00,250 Yeah. Yeah. So John, I really enjoy chatting with you 952 00:51:00,250 --> 00:51:02,530 today and I can speak with you for hours and 953 00:51:02,530 --> 00:51:05,110 hours. And unfortunately, my issue is not a Joe Rogen, 954 00:51:05,110 --> 00:51:07,960 the landfill. I really don't know. I think my lesson 955 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,310 is one of like a three hour show or whatever. 956 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,410 So for people that I have enjoyed listen to you 957 00:51:11,410 --> 00:51:14,280 as well. I want to know more about your podcast 958 00:51:14,290 --> 00:51:17,170 or your blog and listened to the, the, the Stories 959 00:51:17,170 --> 00:51:19,150 of your, your guests, where is the best place for 960 00:51:19,150 --> 00:51:20,980 them to connect with you on the line and listened 961 00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:21,700 to your podcast. 962 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,500 All right. Best by the system to be on the 963 00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:27,970 line where the podcast is hosted by Liz Libsyn. So 964 00:51:27,970 --> 00:51:31,780 it's Danny pod UK. Aww. You will also find the 965 00:51:31,780 --> 00:51:33,640 podcast on this. This is what I have to try 966 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:39,970 and remember at all. O iHeartRadio, Apple podcasts, Google podcasts, 967 00:51:41,590 --> 00:51:46,180 audible, Spotify. How can I forget to Spotify? So it 968 00:51:46,180 --> 00:51:49,450 was on all the, the, the, the major channels and 969 00:51:49,450 --> 00:51:52,600 also a number of the, you know, the, the, the, 970 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,390 the sort of smaller ones as well. And you will 971 00:51:55,390 --> 00:52:00,190 find Dads pod UK. It has got a Twitter feed, 972 00:52:00,190 --> 00:52:01,930 but I'm not really active on there, but you find 973 00:52:01,930 --> 00:52:06,580 that pod UK on Instagram and on Facebook for the 974 00:52:06,580 --> 00:52:10,660 blog, a blog is Dads blog, uk.com. 975 00:52:11,470 --> 00:52:16,120 And you will find at Dodd blog, UK on a 976 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:23,020 Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Instagram, I was sure of missing out 977 00:52:23,020 --> 00:52:25,030 there, but you know, that that's enough. 978 00:52:25,630 --> 00:52:27,430 Yeah. And I'll be sure to link all that in 979 00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:28,720 the show notes. So if you'll listen to on your 980 00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:30,250 favorite app to make sure to check out the show 981 00:52:30,250 --> 00:52:32,170 notes as usual and all of the links, we'll be 982 00:52:32,170 --> 00:52:34,090 there to catch up with John wherever you want to 983 00:52:34,090 --> 00:52:36,910 go. So, Jon, I really appreciate you coming on today. 984 00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:39,940 Like I say, that I've really enjoyed catching up of 985 00:52:39,940 --> 00:52:41,350 your shows that have been listened to it, and I'm 986 00:52:41,350 --> 00:52:43,480 looking forward to the new episodes coming up and the 987 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:44,560 new show you that are about to launch it as 988 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:45,130 well, obviously, you know? 989 00:52:46,060 --> 00:52:48,100 Oh, well, thanks ever so much, Dan, thanks for having 990 00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:52,390 me here on, on your podcast. It's been a great 991 00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:52,810 fun. 992 00:52:53,770 --> 00:52:56,500 You've been listening to Podcaster Stories if you enjoyed this 993 00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:58,660 weeks show, be sure to subscribe. So you don't miss 994 00:52:58,660 --> 00:53:00,670 an episode and feel free to leave a review on 995 00:53:00,670 --> 00:53:03,040 iTunes to help others trying to show it to, and 996 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,170 we'll see you in the next time on Podcaster Stories.