It was one of many small towns nestled in Normandy, France,
Scott:occupied by Nazi Germany for years now.
Scott:On the night of June 5th, 1944, its serene streets and humble homes
Scott:were about to become the stage for a pivotal moment in World War II.
Scott:As the clock struck midnight, the tranquility was shattered
Scott:by the hum of aircraft engines.
Scott:Paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne Division were being dropped into
Scott:the area with a crucial mission to secure Saint Mère Église and
Scott:prevent German reinforcements from reaching the nearby beaches where
Scott:Allied forces would soon land.
Scott:However, the operation did not go as planned.
Scott:Strong winds and navigational errors scattered the paratroopers across
Scott:the countryside, and some even found themselves landing directly in the town
Scott:square, right amidst German troops.
Scott:One such paratrooper was Private John Steele.
Scott:As he descended, his parachute snagged on the steeple of the
Scott:town church, leaving him dangling helplessly above the chaos below.
Scott:Steele, displaying remarkable presence of mind, played dead as the
Scott:battle raged on, hanging there for hours in a surreal tableau of war.
Scott:Despite the unexpected challenges, the paratroopers regrouped and
Scott:launched their assault on the town.
Scott:Fierce fighting ensued, with bullets tearing through the night
Scott:and explosions lighting up the sky.
Scott:By dawn, however, the Allies had gained control of Saint Marie Eglise.
Scott:This victory was a crucial step in securing a foothold in Normandy and
Scott:advancing the liberation of France.
Scott:The bravery and determination of the paratroopers in Saint Marie
Scott:Eglise have not been forgotten.
Scott:The town's church steeple Parachute in tribute to steel's harrowing experience.
Scott:And the Airborne Museum stands as a testament to the soldiers
Scott:who fought and died there.
Scott:Saint Mere Eglis remains a symbol of the courage and sacrifice of the
Scott:allied forces during World War II, a poignant reminder of the high cost
Scott:of freedom, and the incredible spirit of those who fought to preserve it.
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Scott:Okay, so today we're going to talk about a town that, that a lot of
Scott:our audience may actually be semi familiar with because it was featured
Scott:prominently in Band of Brothers.
Jenn:Yes.
Scott:And you got to visit there, and this is a very, I'll call it,
Scott:American friendly town in France.
Scott:So tell us about Saint Mère Église, one of the first French towns liberated
Scott:after the Normandy D Day invasion.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:St.
Jenn:Marigles.
Jenn:Like I had to ask people many times how to pronounce it over and over again.
Jenn:And it's, it's also in the longest day.
Jenn:So most people will recognize it initially from the longest day.
Jenn:And then it does play a big role in Band of Brothers, but this town is
Jenn:synonymous with D Day because of what it means for the allied troops, what
Jenn:it means in the landing of Utah beach and the airborne, but it's an old town.
Jenn:Town in France and it's close to the Normandy Beach It's the first major
Jenn:town behind Utah Beach and not far from the beach But it's also on a
Jenn:major roadway the n13 Which is this major road that the Allies would need?
Jenn:Logistically to get the tanks and the troops and the men into theater to fight
Jenn:the Nazis So it's it's a major road It's founded in the 11th century, so
Jenn:the earliest records date back to 1080, and the Latin name means Church of St.
Jenn:Mary or Holy Mother Church.
Jenn:So if you think of St.
Jenn:Mary Iglesias, it's like St.
Jenn:Mary Church or Mother Mary.
Jenn:So that's, the name is very Catholic or Latin Catholic.
Scott:that kind of makes sense, because the town chapel, the
Scott:town church, is very central.
Jenn:It's very central.
Jenn:And like back in the day, the 10, you know.
Jenn:Uh, that's what was the French society was based around the church.
Jenn:And so the town was involved in the hundred years war.
Jenn:It was involved in the wars of religion.
Jenn:This is an old town, but when it comes to D Day, it's such a significant part
Jenn:because it's right behind Utah beach.
Jenn:And because it's one of the first places that it's going to
Jenn:start to see action that night.
Jenn:From June 5th from midnight on into June 6th is when the first Jumps will
Jenn:start and they start about 1 40 AM.
Jenn:You're going to get the 82nd Airborne and the 101st Airborne jumping in that
Jenn:area to support the landings of Utah beach again, to, to take control of
Jenn:these roads logistically, to be able to get these tanks and these people.
Jenn:into France.
Jenn:And knowing that the Germans have flooded a lot of the farmland,
Jenn:there's a, there's less roads available and this is a major one.
Jenn:And so you're going to get this 82nd Airborne, 101st Airborne.
Jenn:Now things don't go as planned and people get scattered.
Jenn:That's exactly what happens to Dick Winters.
Jenn:He gets, he's far away from where he should be.
Scott:And I think that's because a multitude of things, right?
Scott:In the opening, we said, part of it's wins and high, and then this and the
Scott:other, but also, and we talked about it when we did a lot of masters of the air
Scott:content a while back, there was pilots and soldiers that we're talking about, some of
Scott:these pilots who were flying were flying twice as fast as they were supposed to.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:I mean, people are nervous.
Scott:They were nervous, and and that's what happens in
Scott:what they call, the fog of war.
Scott:You fly too fast, or, the conditions aren't what you're expecting, and all
Scott:of a sudden, these airborne troopers, rather than being within the area that
Scott:they had planned on being dropped, they're getting dropped all over the place.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And as much as you can practice this, you have to remember these
Jenn:pilots are, are relatively new.
Jenn:They've just been trained to be pilots.
Jenn:A lot of these guys haven't flown a lot of missions in war.
Jenn:A lot of these guys haven't dropped over theater yet.
Jenn:Think about it.
Jenn:This is our first invasion.
Jenn:This is America's first invasion into Europe.
Jenn:dropping troops.
Jenn:So, those landings started about 1 40 AM, but they result in heavy casualties
Jenn:because like you said, going too fast, these paratroopers are very heavy.
Jenn:They're carrying 60, 70, 80 pounds on them.
Jenn:They're hitting these water areas, which I say are flooded and they're
Jenn:flooded more than six feet or seven feet, the basic height of a man.
Jenn:And when they have all that weight on them, they basically are drownded.
Jenn:And then there was bombing that also happened that night and some
Jenn:of these buildings in town caught fire and they illuminated the sky.
Jenn:So as these men are jumping, they become targets in the sky.
Jenn:And so the Germans who are made aware of this attack happening, come out and are
Jenn:able to fire on these men as they land.
Jenn:And you get men, Who are descending and hitting telephone poles.
Jenn:They're hitting trees and they're easily shot because they're
Jenn:not, they're not cut down.
Jenn:And this is where you get the John Steele story.
Scott:Yeah, and so that is, I don't think I realized until we started doing
Scott:this, that's based on a true story.
Jenn:story.
Jenn:It's a very unique story when you think about it, because of all the
Jenn:things to get hung up on, you're going to hit a church steeple like
Scott:and then he plays dead, probably for a couple hours.
Scott:And I think you had mentioned in the video that eventually, he's trying
Scott:to cut himself down, he drops his knife, he alerts the German soldier,
Scott:that German soldier tries to shoot him, shoots him in the foot, and
Scott:then another paratrooper shoots that.
Scott:So he actually gets saved because the German who was shooting him gets shot,
Scott:that other, his counterpart, gets shot.
Scott:Eventually, the Germans capture him.
Scott:But when the Airborne takes the town, he takes the purse.
Scott:So it's a very interesting story, especially for a movie like The Longest
Scott:Day, which I haven't watched yet.
Scott:I need to go watch it.
Scott:It's another John Wayne movie.
Jenn:Another John Wayne movie, Red Buttons plays John Steele in it.
Jenn:John Steele is of the 505th Parachute Infantry.
Jenn:He's in the 82nd Airborne.
Jenn:So you get the 101st 82nd Airborne that are jumping that night.
Jenn:And when I'll talk more about the town looks like today, but like you said,
Jenn:he gets hung up on the church steeple.
Jenn:And today there is still a mannequin hanging from a parachute on
Jenn:the church steeple to tell that story because it's a true story.
Jenn:And it's one of those fantastic.
Jenn:Truth is stranger than fiction, right?
Jenn:Like you can telling the truth is so much more amazing than a
Jenn:fictional story would have been.
Scott:Well, and aside from, well, you'll talk a little bit about the
Scott:Airborne Museum that's there in St.
Scott:Mary Eglis, but it's also a way for the town to continue to
Scott:recognize what these men did that
Jenn:yeah.
Jenn:So when you think about it, this, these first jumps happened
Jenn:at 1 40 AM by 5 AM, a force.
Jenn:led by the 505th Parachute Regiment took the town with little resistance.
Jenn:So think about three hours later, John stills hang in for two hours.
Jenn:He gets cut down.
Jenn:He's basically prisoner for an hour and then the town is taken by 5 a.
Jenn:m.
Jenn:So it's one of the.
Jenn:first towns liberated by the Americans.
Jenn:And that the story, the town is so proud of that story.
Jenn:They were under Nazi occupation for four years.
Jenn:And here it takes a little less than four hours to take the town back.
Jenn:They just even today they embrace that story so much that John Steele
Jenn:Mannequin is part of their town.
Jenn:It hangs in their town square.
Jenn:Now I don't think it's on the right.
Jenn:side of the steeple.
Jenn:I think he actually in real life was on the other side of the steeple,
Jenn:but because that doesn't face the town square, they hang the mannequin
Jenn:on the other side for the story.
Scott:in the face.
Scott:Is the trip
Jenn:Like you said, he drops his knife.
Jenn:He gets shot in the foot.
Jenn:He's eventually cut down, but he does help capture the town.
Jenn:He goes on to keep fighting.
Jenn:The church has since become very much like a shrine.
Jenn:to the paratroopers.
Jenn:And they have even have stained glass windows with the Virgin
Jenn:Mary and paratroopers beside
Scott:It's really cool.
Scott:If you haven't seen our video, the link will be in the show notes of this podcast.
Scott:I would encourage you to go to go see that because one, the movie, The
Scott:Longest Day, we put some clips in there.
Scott:So it shows it's a good representation of what happened that day.
Scott:But to you, you got some shots of the stained glass and it was really neat.
Scott:Cause I actually missed it the first time when I was looking
Scott:through the footage and you said, Hey, no, go back and look at this.
Scott:And so I was able to zoom in and you can see that stained glass.
Scott:I've never seen stained glass like this before with, you see kind of the The St.
Scott:Mary, you see Mary there, classic pose, head, head bent over a little bit.
Scott:But then on the sides right next to her are paratroopers in their paratrooper
Scott:green with a helmet on and boots and a parachute in stained glass.
Scott:It's really beautiful and it's really neat.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And like we have spoken before, for so many things to go right that night.
Jenn:I mean, things went wrong, but so many things to go right.
Jenn:that you didn't have as much of a defense by the Nazis and for this
Jenn:town to be liberated so quickly.
Jenn:We believe that it was some kind of divine intervention there.
Jenn:And so for the town to embrace that and put it into something
Jenn:permanent, like stained glass with the Virgin Mary beside paratroopers.
Jenn:It's just a very interesting thing to see.
Jenn:They also have a Joan of Arc in there and a just a generic depiction of
Jenn:Jesus, but it's a very beautiful church.
Jenn:The church still has remnants of bullet shots and things
Jenn:in the side of the church.
Jenn:So it's very much still a just a relic of D Day and you can go and see it.
Jenn:And the town square is just beautiful, but they Love the story of D Day
Jenn:and the liberation of their town so much so that I was there that day.
Jenn:80 years later, and they had parades of American tanks, all these French
Jenn:men and women dressed as Americans.
Jenn:It was very neat.
Jenn:And they just embrace Americans so much that there is a monument there.
Jenn:to the 82nd and the 101st Airborne.
Jenn:And people leave poppies and different things there, but
Jenn:they've just embraced that story.
Jenn:And if you walk around the town, there are different areas with
Jenn:little plaques and things about different paratroopers that fell into.
Jenn:this backyard or into this greenhouse or into this garden and what they may have
Jenn:come up against or what happened to them.
Jenn:And even in different areas, they still have parachutes that they'll hang over
Jenn:trees and things just to give you a sense of what the town felt like that day, that
Jenn:morning, when all of these, Parachute is basically descended on the town.
Scott:Yeah, it was, it was really neat to watch it and, and seeing the
Scott:footage the parade footage with, I mean, these are old tanks that are,
Scott:that was even just neat because you don't see that in the States, right?
Scott:You just don't see parades like that.
Scott:And, and these are legitimate old World War II tanks that
Scott:they're driving through the town.
Scott:It was really cool to see
Jenn:It was really neat.
Jenn:And when you think about these roads are basically a tank wide and they're
Jenn:driving these tanks down these cobblestone old roads and people
Jenn:are loving it and they're waving and they're just having a great time.
Jenn:And these tanks look legit.
Jenn:Like they could have just, Been made yesterday.
Jenn:They've taken such good care of them.
Scott:It's, it's, it was so cool.
Jenn:So what else they have in st Mariglis if Town Square walk around again
Jenn:see the plaques to the different airborne that were there that day But they have the
Jenn:entire airborne museum is there and that was a great museum to show what but the
Jenn:airborne kind of went through that day.
Jenn:They have an example of what it's like to board a C 47 aircraft
Jenn:and jump from a C 47 aircraft.
Jenn:You get reminiscence of it in Band of Brothers when they're all
Jenn:lining up and you have the red light that goes green and they just
Jenn:start jumping on the static line.
Jenn:It's the same kind of feeling.
Jenn:You go through, you walk through, you get to see what it's like,
Jenn:dark night the jostling of the aircraft, not knowing where you are
Jenn:and you're basically just jumping.
Jenn:It also lets you see the amount of weight these men are carrying on them
Jenn:because besides their jump gear, they're carrying on whatever ammunition they need.
Jenn:They need, they're carrying on whatever gear they need and just
Jenn:all the weight they have upon their bodies as they jump not only makes
Jenn:them fall to the ground faster.
Jenn:And since these men were going low and fast, that was put at them a danger.
Jenn:But just.
Jenn:the sheer weight if they're going to hit water, they just not going to
Jenn:have the time to cut themselves free.
Jenn:And that's also when men were hitting burning buildings or burning areas,
Jenn:they didn't have the time to redirect themselves because it's so fast and
Jenn:you're so heavy that you don't have that opportunity to avoid the fire.
Jenn:So you have cases of that as
Scott:If you ever get a chance to see, somebody parachuting or
Scott:something like that, it looks like they're falling relatively slowly.
Scott:You don't realize and you and I I think you you did it for My birthday or
Scott:something one year we went skydiving.
Scott:We did tandem skydiving thing And so I was strapped to somebody who you know
Scott:knew what he was doing and when you're falling you realize how fast you're
Scott:falling But then also you don't realize and that when the parachute pulls it's
Scott:not violent you slow down But then when you get closer to the ground you realize
Scott:how fast you are still falling You know, and that's modern day parachutes.
Scott:These are World War II era, the airborne concept is still relatively new, a
Scott:few years and all the gear and all the other stuff that's going on, right?
Scott:You, you, you add all of that stuff up together.
Scott:together What
Scott:these paratroopers were doing and how they were jumping in
Scott:is pretty incredible and, and.
Scott:very, very dangerous, especially at the time.
Scott:Like today we have much better equipment, much more control for
Scott:your average parachuter coming down.
Scott:So it really was incredible what they were doing.
Jenn:It was, and that's, this town has embraced that story.
Jenn:And that museum has embraced that story.
Jenn:They actually have the gliders were also a big part of that day.
Jenn:And they have one of the only examples of the Waco glider there that you can see it.
Jenn:So gliders are big.
Jenn:If we ever talk about the Pegasus bridge The English had the gliders where you
Jenn:could get about 40 men, 30 men in a glider
Scott:we referenced them, I think, Latin last week or the week before his episode.
Jenn:it's quiet.
Jenn:You don't hear it and they can land and they can really
Jenn:land right under your nose.
Jenn:That's why they took the Pegasus Bridge so easily.
Jenn:But they have an example of it in there.
Jenn:I want people to remember two paratroopers as much as they're known for jumping.
Jenn:Jumping is just the easiest basic part of what they're doing.
Jenn:They're soldiers.
Jenn:They're there to fight.
Jenn:They're there.
Jenn:They're infantry.
Jenn:When you think about it, they're there to fight.
Jenn:Jumping is just how they get there.
Jenn:And once they're there, they just become, they become
Jenn:soldiers, ground troops, ground
Scott:It's a smaller part of their training than people realize.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And so yeah, getting the jump right is so important, but getting the jump
Jenn:right is, is the easiest basic part.
Jenn:And then you're going to have to start fighting a war.
Jenn:And that's what you know, when you see in Band of Brothers,
Jenn:jumping in is how they get there.
Jenn:But it's really when they get on the ground and then they have to
Jenn:start doing the tactics, the ground tactics that comes into play.
Jenn:So it's, you're, you're like double the soldier there.
Jenn:But I really loved being in that town.
Jenn:I recommend if you're going to go visit France and Normandy, you have to go to St.
Jenn:Mere Eglis.
Jenn:I think of all the towns associated with D Day, it is the most important one.
Jenn:It is the one that was in support of Utah Beach.
Jenn:It is the.
Jenn:first one liberated.
Jenn:It is, they have embraced that story there.
Jenn:They love Americans there.
Jenn:You can see the mannequin of John Steele on the steeple there.
Jenn:And it's just a place.
Jenn:They have recently unveiled a statue of President Eisenhower, General
Jenn:Eisenhower, as he preferred to be called, but in full World War II uniform.
Jenn:So it looks like the statue at the D Day memorial.
Jenn:and the statue at his at his presidential museum in Kansas.
Jenn:So that is also right there beside the steeple as well.
Jenn:So it's a great place to go and visit.
Scott:Yeah, it was a fun video to make because it's much more, able
Scott:to be a little more celebratory with a video like this and the
Scott:topic was really, really neat.
Scott:With the successful securing of Saint Mère Église and the other key towns on
Scott:D Day, the Allied forces turned their attention to using these strategic points
Scott:to push further into occupied France.
Scott:The beaches of Normandy became a crucial supply and reinforcement
Scott:hubs for the advancing troops.
Scott:From these beachheads, the Allies initiated Operation Overlord, the
Scott:codename for the Battle of Normandy.
Scott:This involved a series of meticulously planned operations
Scott:to break through German defenses and liberate occupied territories.
Scott:One of the first objectives was to link the five beachheads,
Scott:ensuring that they would be safe.
Scott:A continuous front line and facilitating the movement of troops and supplies.
Scott:As the Allied forces advanced, they encountered fierce resistance
Scott:from entrenched German troops.
Scott:The hedgerows of the Normandy countryside provided natural defensive positions,
Scott:making progress slow and costly.
Scott:Despite this, the Allies pressed on, employing coordinated infantry, armor,
Scott:and air support to overcome the obstacles.
Scott:key towns such as Carentan, Caen, and Bordeaux.
Scott:And Saint Lô became major battlegrounds.
Scott:The capture of the French port city, Caen, in particular was
Scott:critical due to its strategic location and transportation network.
Scott:The British and Canadian forces faced weeks of intense fighting before
Scott:finally securing the town in mid July.
Scott:The liberation of these towns allowed the Allies to establish vital supply
Scott:lines and command posts, enabling them to sustain their push into France.
Scott:The breakout from the Normandy beach has begun.
Scott:culminated in Operation Cobra, launched in late July 1944.
Scott:This offensive aimed to exploit the weakened German positions
Scott:and achieve a rapid advance through the French countryside.
Scott:The operation succeeded beyond expectations, leading to the encirclement
Scott:of German forces in the Falaise pocket in their eventual retreat.
Scott:With the German defenses in disarray, the Allies surged forward, liberating
Scott:Paris by the end of August.
Scott:The momentum continued as they drove towards the German border, liberating
Scott:town after town and village after village.
Scott:The successful use of the Normandy beachheads and towns as springboards
Scott:for further operations was a testament to the meticulous planning
Scott:and bravery of the Allied forces.
Scott:Their efforts paved the way for the eventual liberation of France.
Scott:And the ultimate defeat of Nazi Germany, marking a turning point in World War II.