1 00:00:16,648 --> 00:00:17,298 Sir Daniel: Oh, hey. 2 00:00:17,858 --> 00:00:21,118 Welcome back to another episode of Queue Points podcast. 3 00:00:21,568 --> 00:00:23,258 I am DJ Sir Daniel 4 00:00:23,884 --> 00:00:27,264 Jay Ray: And my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my governments 5 00:00:27,284 --> 00:00:30,274 as Johnnie Ray Kornegay III. 6 00:00:30,274 --> 00:00:32,594 Hey, y'all, it has been a while. 7 00:00:32,594 --> 00:00:35,124 Y'all are hopping up into the thing 8 00:00:35,552 --> 00:00:37,042 Sir Daniel: I'm telling you, it's been a minute. 9 00:00:37,072 --> 00:00:40,202 Maybe absence does g- make the heart grow fonder. 10 00:00:40,416 --> 00:00:44,916 So Jay Ray, um, where should we start? 11 00:00:46,096 --> 00:00:49,476 Jay Ray: I think, I think we start with the first thing you had on the list. 12 00:00:49,486 --> 00:00:51,856 I think that's a, a great topic. 13 00:00:53,444 --> 00:00:56,114 So Fat Joe is back in the news again. 14 00:00:57,654 --> 00:01:02,834 part of p- part of this is insanity, but also part of this is becau- right? 15 00:01:03,194 --> 00:01:07,394 Part of this is because, you know, he's gotta keep the, the download 16 00:01:07,394 --> 00:01:10,654 numbers up on the Joe and Jada podcast. 17 00:01:10,814 --> 00:01:11,164 Sir Daniel: Right 18 00:01:12,214 --> 00:01:18,954 Jay Ray: um, I think he's picked this hill to continue to, to, to beat. 19 00:01:19,384 --> 00:01:22,714 And so I, I'm curious, so w- w- what we're talking about is the 20 00:01:22,714 --> 00:01:28,894 fact that Fat Joe went on the Joe Budden, uh, podcast and was talking 21 00:01:28,894 --> 00:01:31,934 about his use of the N-word again. 22 00:01:32,714 --> 00:01:34,434 has already come up. 23 00:01:36,224 --> 00:01:44,194 his thoughts on why he should use it, how Black, quote-unquote, he is. 24 00:01:44,974 --> 00:01:49,634 Fat Joe is Puerto Rican, which is definitely in the diaspora. 25 00:01:49,634 --> 00:01:51,594 We're not saying that. 26 00:01:51,644 --> 00:01:53,034 That's not what we're saying. 27 00:01:53,524 --> 00:01:57,274 But we are specifically talking about the use of this word and, 28 00:01:57,334 --> 00:02:00,334 um, talking about how, you know, the people in his neighborhood, 29 00:02:00,574 --> 00:02:01,564 you know, they call him what? 30 00:02:01,714 --> 00:02:04,544 Little N-word Joe, and all of this stuff. 31 00:02:04,984 --> 00:02:05,494 All of that. 32 00:02:05,574 --> 00:02:06,794 But that's what we talking about. 33 00:02:07,024 --> 00:02:09,324 Sir Daniel, what do you think about this? 34 00:02:09,424 --> 00:02:11,234 I have some thoughts, but what are your thoughts? 35 00:02:13,054 --> 00:02:13,564 Sir Daniel: Okay. 36 00:02:14,384 --> 00:02:15,224 So 37 00:02:17,406 --> 00:02:28,496 The crux of Joe's argument to his connection and own- downright ownership 38 00:02:28,676 --> 00:02:36,856 to this word is that he is born and raised in these projects in the heart of 39 00:02:36,856 --> 00:02:38,756 the Bronx, which is the heart of hip-hop 40 00:02:41,022 --> 00:02:48,656 And I don't disagree with him on that fact Know about what I find, what I, what's 41 00:02:48,676 --> 00:02:55,156 interesting is that nobody, absolutely nobody is arguing your authenticity, 42 00:02:55,246 --> 00:03:01,296 your authentic roots and connection to hip hop culture and rap music. 43 00:03:01,886 --> 00:03:07,796 That is absolutely not on the par- on the docket for arguing. 44 00:03:07,806 --> 00:03:08,946 That's not up for trial. 45 00:03:09,386 --> 00:03:12,676 We know you've been there, we know you've been there for since, since the beginning. 46 00:03:13,096 --> 00:03:17,196 Um, Miss Melody babysat you, all of the things, you know. 47 00:03:17,196 --> 00:03:23,006 And I'm, I made that one being facetious, but, you know, I, I'm, I'm just saying 48 00:03:23,152 --> 00:03:24,152 Jay Ray: believed it though. 49 00:03:25,066 --> 00:03:29,926 Sir Daniel: I'm just saying that you are entrenched in hip hop culture and nobody's 50 00:03:29,926 --> 00:03:31,466 trying to take that away from you. 51 00:03:32,296 --> 00:03:40,136 We are talking about a word that is steeped in so much, 52 00:03:40,446 --> 00:03:43,586 um, bloody history, right? 53 00:03:44,066 --> 00:03:52,456 So much, um, DNA, so much, uh, so many spirits are attached to that word that 54 00:03:52,966 --> 00:04:03,176 I find it odd, I find it very odd and interesting that as somebody who, w- who 55 00:04:03,326 --> 00:04:08,796 has so much stake in this culture, and I'm assuming because you have a stake 56 00:04:08,806 --> 00:04:14,746 in the culture, that you have a love for the people who are intrinsically 57 00:04:14,756 --> 00:04:21,596 woven into the culture, um, who have come together with people of, of Latinx 58 00:04:21,606 --> 00:04:25,266 background to create that culture, right? 59 00:04:26,496 --> 00:04:31,526 I know, and again, nobody's arguing your authentic roots involved. 60 00:04:32,156 --> 00:04:35,896 But what I, what I just can't for the life of me, and this is a Sir Daniel 61 00:04:35,896 --> 00:04:42,806 statement, an I statement, is I just don't understand that if the people who have 62 00:04:42,816 --> 00:04:51,586 paid blood for this word, who do not want someone who phenotypically looks white. 63 00:04:52,576 --> 00:04:58,106 I understand that you, you know, li- allegedly your daddy is Afro-Cuban. 64 00:04:58,666 --> 00:05:02,446 You know, that is, that gene, that gene is so recessive. 65 00:05:02,456 --> 00:05:05,536 That gene, that gene is probably somewhere like, "Nene Leakes talking 66 00:05:05,536 --> 00:05:06,486 about, 'Now why am I in it?'" 67 00:05:06,808 --> 00:05:07,228 Jay Ray: Right 68 00:05:07,516 --> 00:05:10,586 Sir Daniel: That, that Af- that Black, um, recessive gene that's in your, 69 00:05:10,616 --> 00:05:13,566 in your family is like, "Why are you still talking about me? We don't, 70 00:05:13,596 --> 00:05:15,336 we don't come around these parts." 71 00:05:15,376 --> 00:05:18,476 Haven't been seen in your lineage for years 'cause ain't nobody in 72 00:05:18,486 --> 00:05:23,866 the family looks, has any of the phenotypical, um, uh, uh, attributes 73 00:05:23,886 --> 00:05:27,846 of somebody who is quote-unquote black and has Black features. 74 00:05:28,506 --> 00:05:34,486 And so I just for the life of me don't understand his commitment, his 75 00:05:34,486 --> 00:05:40,196 willingness to die on this hill to continue to use a word that people 76 00:05:40,826 --> 00:05:49,232 find harmful And are telling you that word is harmful, historically harmful. 77 00:05:49,582 --> 00:05:51,722 I don't like hearing it. 78 00:05:52,092 --> 00:05:53,632 Please stop using it. 79 00:05:54,002 --> 00:05:56,202 Please stop using it directed to me. 80 00:05:56,472 --> 00:06:02,872 Because I'm sorry, when he says it and he's, a- and I mean, he's roasting people 81 00:06:02,872 --> 00:06:07,302 and, and saying all kinds of N words this and N words that, like when, when 82 00:06:07,302 --> 00:06:12,722 he's addressing other Black people, it's, it, it's, it feels like a hate crime. 83 00:06:12,982 --> 00:06:13,972 It really does. 84 00:06:14,252 --> 00:06:20,482 It feels like a hate crime, and I, I don't understand the, just the 85 00:06:20,482 --> 00:06:22,642 commitment to wanting to use that word. 86 00:06:22,812 --> 00:06:25,132 Why do you wanna use it so bad? 87 00:06:25,362 --> 00:06:28,822 Why do, why do these young white kids want to use it so bad? 88 00:06:28,862 --> 00:06:34,272 I just don't understand the obsession with this word. 89 00:06:34,752 --> 00:06:41,222 And as somebody who is phenotypically Black, yes, I am, I am, um, born of people 90 00:06:41,222 --> 00:06:46,212 who are from, um, who are from other parts of the diaspora, and, you know, there's 91 00:06:46,212 --> 00:06:50,142 a whole argument about Black Americans and people who were born here and/or not 92 00:06:50,142 --> 00:06:57,212 born here about their, um, usage of the word and their attachment to the word. 93 00:06:57,492 --> 00:06:58,412 I don't care about that. 94 00:06:58,422 --> 00:07:02,632 We… I'm still, I'm talking to other Black people about other Black people. 95 00:07:03,512 --> 00:07:05,032 I just don't get it. 96 00:07:05,272 --> 00:07:06,372 I really don't. 97 00:07:06,412 --> 00:07:08,992 And I just… Like somebody, who was it? 98 00:07:09,092 --> 00:07:11,372 I think it was on the Don't Call Me White Girl show. 99 00:07:12,082 --> 00:07:17,382 She said, or maybe I forget whose podcast it was, but they were saying, 100 00:07:17,442 --> 00:07:22,352 "I can guarantee you Fat Joe does not call any of his family members n***a." 101 00:07:23,540 --> 00:07:24,140 Jay Ray: Oh, abso- 102 00:07:24,142 --> 00:07:26,922 Sir Daniel: he doesn't, he doesn't say, he doesn't call, he don't call his 103 00:07:26,962 --> 00:07:29,042 abuela, that's what they said there. 104 00:07:29,042 --> 00:07:30,452 He don't call his abuela my n***a. 105 00:07:30,607 --> 00:07:31,602 He don't say none of that. 106 00:07:31,972 --> 00:07:38,042 He don't use it, he does not use it to a- with anyone else or addresses 107 00:07:38,052 --> 00:07:45,272 anyone else other than Black people, and then he, and, and, and he's so 108 00:07:45,292 --> 00:07:50,932 comfortable in using it because he's, quote-unquote, "been given a pass." 109 00:07:51,172 --> 00:08:00,802 Now, I kinda blame, um, New York culture and N- and how, uh, insulated New Yorkers 110 00:08:00,802 --> 00:08:05,962 can be when it comes to that, and how they've become so comfortable with it. 111 00:08:06,792 --> 00:08:07,532 Fine. 112 00:08:07,942 --> 00:08:08,722 I get it. 113 00:08:08,832 --> 00:08:09,192 I get it. 114 00:08:09,202 --> 00:08:14,222 If I had continued to live in New York, uh, into, into my formidable 115 00:08:14,222 --> 00:08:16,462 years, into my adult years, who knows? 116 00:08:16,502 --> 00:08:23,444 I may have had developed a very different type of attitude However, outside 117 00:08:23,844 --> 00:08:27,184 of New York, that's not gonna fly. 118 00:08:27,784 --> 00:08:31,834 And I, and I, and I, and I know he… I just wonder how many 119 00:08:31,834 --> 00:08:33,674 times that he's been in rooms. 120 00:08:33,964 --> 00:08:39,004 Like, I bet you he wouldn't go, he wouldn't go to the NAACP awards and, 121 00:08:39,174 --> 00:08:43,554 and go on stage and say, "What's up, my n***as?" I guarantee you 122 00:08:43,554 --> 00:08:44,864 wouldn't he, he wouldn't do that. 123 00:08:44,874 --> 00:08:46,304 He may not even be invited. 124 00:08:46,464 --> 00:08:47,814 Jay Ray: No, who, who, who, no. 125 00:08:47,934 --> 00:08:51,884 Sir Daniel: But he would go… But to the argument, he would go to the 126 00:08:51,884 --> 00:08:54,144 BET Awards and use it because BET, 127 00:08:56,144 --> 00:09:00,504 BET has allowed it or would allow it, but because B- BET ain't really Black no more. 128 00:09:00,504 --> 00:09:03,654 But anyway, so that, that's where I am with it. 129 00:09:03,704 --> 00:09:05,824 I'm just, I am perplexed. 130 00:09:05,844 --> 00:09:11,754 I'm just su- super perplexed about why, if you care about Black people 131 00:09:11,754 --> 00:09:16,784 and Black culture so much, if Black people are asking you or telling you 132 00:09:16,784 --> 00:09:22,544 that this word is harmful, why do you insist on holding onto it and using it? 133 00:09:23,912 --> 00:09:33,192 Jay Ray: So, and I'm so glad you said that because I think his doubling down and 134 00:09:33,202 --> 00:09:36,552 tripling down and quadrupling down on this 135 00:09:39,302 --> 00:09:43,922 more about him as a person, and I think that's bigger 136 00:09:43,922 --> 00:09:45,712 than even him using the word. 137 00:09:46,152 --> 00:09:56,072 I think where I've come with this to the fact that there is… Fat Joe 138 00:09:56,072 --> 00:10:03,532 got bigger issues, and we should have bigger issues with him, his continued 139 00:10:03,542 --> 00:10:07,622 use of this word after we've been having these conversations about it 140 00:10:08,008 --> 00:10:08,218 Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm 141 00:10:08,892 --> 00:10:14,272 Jay Ray: is our rallying cry should be like, "Nah, this ain't 142 00:10:14,302 --> 00:10:23,132 it." So now side-eyeing people in Joe's camp who should be having 143 00:10:23,132 --> 00:10:24,482 this conversation with him. 144 00:10:24,492 --> 00:10:32,070 I ain't gonna call no names, but He's got people in his camp that should be 145 00:10:32,070 --> 00:10:34,190 really having this conversation with him. 146 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,130 Because here's the problem, and I don't know that he, he knows this, 147 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:47,110 but now that he keeps doing this, it's going to blow back negatively. 148 00:10:47,510 --> 00:10:51,530 It hasn't gotten there yet, but what he's re- what he doesn't realize 149 00:10:51,550 --> 00:10:55,740 is he's gonna taint his legacy by continuing to double down in this way. 150 00:10:55,980 --> 00:11:00,020 Right now, in this moment that we're in, in, in, in this very 151 00:11:00,020 --> 00:11:02,360 moment that we're in, he's okay. 152 00:11:03,230 --> 00:11:06,740 I guarantee that thing gonna circle back around and not 153 00:11:07,150 --> 00:11:09,210 age the way he thinks it is. 154 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,170 So that's, that's absolutely been on my mind. 155 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:19,530 This says a lot about Fat Joe, and I think what it says about him is bigger 156 00:11:19,530 --> 00:11:21,490 than his actual use of the word. 157 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:29,710 To your point, his w- his continued doing it is, like, just stop. 158 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:30,870 Just stop. 159 00:11:31,260 --> 00:11:32,460 It's very simple. 160 00:11:32,510 --> 00:11:33,520 You know what I mean? 161 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:35,460 else is going on there. 162 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,280 Um, to your other point, Sir Daniel, I absolutely agree. 163 00:11:40,340 --> 00:11:44,610 Um, we made this, uh, we made this monster. 164 00:11:44,780 --> 00:11:51,510 Like, folks in Joe's neighborhood and that he's been around making records 165 00:11:51,510 --> 00:11:59,570 around for 30 years that have allowed him to do this made this monster. 166 00:11:59,580 --> 00:12:00,320 Like, this is, 167 00:12:00,946 --> 00:12:01,286 Sir Daniel: Mhm. 168 00:12:01,710 --> 00:12:03,030 Jay Ray: relationship, right? 169 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,620 And you know, we talked about, um, we did our N-word show. 170 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:08,040 If y'all 171 00:12:08,118 --> 00:12:08,408 Sir Daniel: Yep 172 00:12:08,690 --> 00:12:13,180 Jay Ray: and listened to our N-word podcast, it's so dope, where we really 173 00:12:13,180 --> 00:12:20,350 talk about, um, the rise of the use of the N-word in hip-hop, going from a word 174 00:12:20,380 --> 00:12:25,350 that, of course, we grew up, Sir Daniel, initially where this word was like, 175 00:12:25,490 --> 00:12:32,320 no, it is not a word that you say even though o- Black folks in comedic ways 176 00:12:32,390 --> 00:12:35,060 would use the word, but there was a line. 177 00:12:35,230 --> 00:12:41,000 Kids definitely couldn't use it, and it was just, like, cringe every time 178 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,100 somebody did it, unless it was Richard Pryor and he was telling a joke, right? 179 00:12:44,626 --> 00:12:45,086 Sir Daniel: Mhm 180 00:12:45,130 --> 00:12:47,550 Jay Ray: of course, we talk about the rise of the use of the word 181 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:54,600 in, in, in, in hip-hop culture, and then to greater, uh, uh, fame as 182 00:12:54,610 --> 00:12:56,790 part of just rap records in general. 183 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,400 So go check out that show. 184 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:58,980 It's dope. 185 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:04,040 But I think we have all of these things that have combined that have given Joe, 186 00:13:05,380 --> 00:13:10,420 uh, this mindset, but once again, this mindset is a signal for a bigger problem. 187 00:13:10,780 --> 00:13:12,450 I don't know what it is, but it's something. 188 00:13:12,860 --> 00:13:18,290 Um, I think it's reductive to keep talking to him about this, honestly. 189 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,370 He doesn't have the range 190 00:13:21,054 --> 00:13:21,434 Sir Daniel: No. 191 00:13:22,444 --> 00:13:23,684 He doesn't have the empathy. 192 00:13:24,144 --> 00:13:25,354 He doesn't have the empathy 193 00:13:25,406 --> 00:13:28,526 Jay Ray: the empathy, he doesn't have the interest, the, like, general 194 00:13:28,566 --> 00:13:36,956 interest in dealing with the nuances of the word, its history, how we 195 00:13:36,966 --> 00:13:39,136 feel about it as Black people. 196 00:13:39,236 --> 00:13:40,496 He doesn't care. 197 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:41,480 Sir Daniel: He does not 198 00:13:41,506 --> 00:13:42,676 Jay Ray: range for it. 199 00:13:42,996 --> 00:13:45,006 We should stop talking to him about it. 200 00:13:45,226 --> 00:13:49,926 And I think what we have to… Well, okay, first of all, Black 201 00:13:49,926 --> 00:13:55,586 people, we have only been able to agree on who can't use the word. 202 00:13:57,326 --> 00:14:00,666 And then really that's kinda one group of people, and then the younger people 203 00:14:00,666 --> 00:14:02,016 are now letting them use the word. 204 00:14:02,016 --> 00:14:04,006 Before it was like white people can never say it. 205 00:14:04,286 --> 00:14:07,606 Now, all of a sudden, we hearing young white people say it all the time, right? 206 00:14:07,606 --> 00:14:09,896 Before, that was, like, never supposed to happen. 207 00:14:11,896 --> 00:14:20,566 The who can use the word has always been a bigger thing because I think that's 208 00:14:20,566 --> 00:14:26,596 when we go back to, to, to, to, uh, uh, r- racism, slavery, and the way we have been 209 00:14:26,606 --> 00:14:30,736 taught that we don't have value as people. 210 00:14:32,646 --> 00:14:34,306 we can't draw the line. 211 00:14:34,316 --> 00:14:41,936 Like, there's no way to draw the line on this because I just… W- they're 212 00:14:41,936 --> 00:14:47,886 gonna be, half of us are gonna say yes, and half of us are gonna say no. 213 00:14:48,146 --> 00:14:53,276 So Joe is like, "Then I can." Then, uh, he's gonna just hang 214 00:14:53,276 --> 00:14:55,486 out with the yes, I can group. 215 00:14:57,106 --> 00:15:02,356 what I want is, and I said this in that show, what I want is the yes, I can group 216 00:15:02,356 --> 00:15:04,586 to really evaluate why this is okay. 217 00:15:05,896 --> 00:15:07,616 So that's where I'm at with it. 218 00:15:08,236 --> 00:15:12,266 I think it's stupid to keep talking to Joe about this, honestly. 219 00:15:12,536 --> 00:15:15,966 But I get that they have to have conversations on podcasts. 220 00:15:15,996 --> 00:15:18,616 I get that Marc Lamont Hill has to have a take on this. 221 00:15:19,386 --> 00:15:19,876 get it. 222 00:15:19,966 --> 00:15:21,646 I get that people have to have a take. 223 00:15:21,736 --> 00:15:24,686 I just think it's a circ- it's a circular conversation 224 00:15:24,956 --> 00:15:26,176 that ain't gonna land nowhere. 225 00:15:27,838 --> 00:15:28,538 Sir Daniel: And you know what? 226 00:15:28,558 --> 00:15:30,438 That's, that's the real deal. 227 00:15:30,448 --> 00:15:35,078 Like, there's just certain things that n- we just have to resolve 228 00:15:35,088 --> 00:15:38,148 within ourselves that there is no, not gonna be a resolution. 229 00:15:38,738 --> 00:15:41,058 There is no, not going to be a resolution. 230 00:15:41,068 --> 00:15:44,918 But again, like I always say, you can always pick up the 231 00:15:44,918 --> 00:15:46,638 needle or let the record play. 232 00:15:46,668 --> 00:15:51,508 It's like you have the opportunity to decide whether or not you're going 233 00:15:51,508 --> 00:15:55,958 to engage, whether or not you're going to support this person, whether 234 00:15:56,178 --> 00:16:01,038 or not you're going to listen to their podcast, watch their videos. 235 00:16:01,768 --> 00:16:06,028 Because as I said, I can't, I can't watch it only for the simple 236 00:16:06,028 --> 00:16:11,278 fact, like from coming from him, it sound, it sounds very violent. 237 00:16:11,438 --> 00:16:15,458 It sounds violent and I just can't… I, I don't like him. 238 00:16:15,508 --> 00:16:18,328 I maybe I've just been t- too far removed from New York 239 00:16:18,338 --> 00:16:20,258 culture to, to appreciate it. 240 00:16:20,568 --> 00:16:21,328 I just don't. 241 00:16:21,498 --> 00:16:22,188 I do not. 242 00:16:22,498 --> 00:16:27,178 So I'm not going to, like you said, I'm not going to campaign. 243 00:16:27,418 --> 00:16:31,928 We not-- Queue Points is not going out to campaign to shut down, um, anybody's 244 00:16:31,968 --> 00:16:34,038 podcast or their recording career. 245 00:16:34,368 --> 00:16:36,998 They're 35 years deep into the game. 246 00:16:36,998 --> 00:16:40,568 There's no taking away their credit or their street, their 247 00:16:40,568 --> 00:16:41,818 street cred in the game. 248 00:16:42,098 --> 00:16:43,158 That's not gonna happen. 249 00:16:43,768 --> 00:16:48,718 But what I can do and what you all can do as well is to turn it off and not engage. 250 00:16:48,928 --> 00:16:53,748 Do not, just do not engage in that person and their unwillingness. 251 00:16:53,938 --> 00:16:58,048 Because I guarantee you, if they, if they ever got Oprah in there on that 252 00:16:58,048 --> 00:17:01,488 show, Joe ain't calling Oprah the N-word 253 00:17:02,966 --> 00:17:03,856 Jay Ray: Absolutely not 254 00:17:04,534 --> 00:17:09,984 Sir Daniel: It would be, "Oh my God, we got the queen Oprah in the building. 255 00:17:10,434 --> 00:17:13,284 Oprah Winfrey, you are a goddess. 256 00:17:13,494 --> 00:17:15,234 I cannot believe it. 257 00:17:15,284 --> 00:17:17,444 You're sitting right here in front of me. 258 00:17:17,684 --> 00:17:22,154 Oh my God, my wife, my kids love you, Oprah Winfrey." It would be 259 00:17:22,154 --> 00:17:25,234 all of that, but it would never be, "What's up, my n***a O- what's up, 260 00:17:25,234 --> 00:17:26,694 my n***a Oprah in the building?" 261 00:17:26,774 --> 00:17:27,804 Never. 262 00:17:27,984 --> 00:17:29,784 Absolutely would never 263 00:17:29,966 --> 00:17:31,336 Jay Ray: and here's the thing about that. 264 00:17:32,276 --> 00:17:36,866 What I would hope Oprah did was call him on his bulls**t. 265 00:17:37,417 --> 00:17:37,937 Sir Daniel: Check 'em 266 00:17:38,304 --> 00:17:43,074 Jay Ray: Like, I think reality is we are in a moment in time, 267 00:17:44,254 --> 00:17:46,444 and it's unpopular, right? 268 00:17:46,444 --> 00:17:46,894 It's, it's 269 00:17:47,203 --> 00:17:47,353 Sir Daniel: Mhm. 270 00:17:47,834 --> 00:17:50,134 Jay Ray: to do this, especially I'ma use a I statement 271 00:17:52,436 --> 00:17:56,386 I, you got, I have to stand for something 272 00:17:57,195 --> 00:18:01,425 Sir Daniel: Cicely Tyson said in that, um, that Tyler Perry movie, "You 273 00:18:01,425 --> 00:18:05,015 all aren't gonna be shaking around and using that kind of words on this 274 00:18:05,015 --> 00:18:07,155 land. Not here on Queue Points land." 275 00:18:08,715 --> 00:18:11,825 Jay Ray: Don't come over here, don't come over here with that foolishness. 276 00:18:11,825 --> 00:18:12,445 Don't do it. 277 00:18:19,681 --> 00:18:26,021 Sir Daniel: moving on to another topic that again… Boy, I'm telling you, J, 278 00:18:26,021 --> 00:18:29,391 like we have gone… Are we, are we viral? 279 00:18:29,661 --> 00:18:33,161 Would you say we're viral with these, these couple clips that have come out? 280 00:18:33,193 --> 00:18:35,143 Jay Ray: it's been a whole lot of viral moments. 281 00:18:35,323 --> 00:18:39,183 Surprisingly, like these are, we've… You know, it's not surprising. 282 00:18:39,183 --> 00:18:43,003 I guess we, we, the algorithm likes what we, we giving, so I 283 00:18:43,003 --> 00:18:44,643 guess it's not super surprising. 284 00:18:44,643 --> 00:18:47,023 But yeah, we've had all of these moments that have g- 285 00:18:47,033 --> 00:18:49,683 gotten really good engagement. 286 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,339 Sir Daniel: recently, and you all please go back and watch this. 287 00:18:53,369 --> 00:18:55,659 As a matter of fact, the episode just dropped this week. 288 00:18:55,989 --> 00:19:02,039 Um, both Jay Ray and I had the pleasure of sitting down with the team of the, the 289 00:19:02,049 --> 00:19:03,669 recently relu- released, reluced, released 290 00:19:04,147 --> 00:19:04,347 Jay Ray: Mhm 291 00:19:05,089 --> 00:19:10,809 Sir Daniel: documentary, "The Krate Doc," from the Ummah Collective group that, um, 292 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:16,789 made an amazing documentary about the, uh, uh, a three-day s- was it three-day? 293 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:22,629 Yeah, a three-day stretch, five, five gigs for DJ Krate Digga, and we sat down 294 00:19:22,629 --> 00:19:29,229 with both the filmmaker Dominic Lawson as well as DJ Krate Digga to talk about their 295 00:19:29,229 --> 00:19:36,159 experiences with creating this documentary and then digging deeper in s- as far as, 296 00:19:36,179 --> 00:19:40,959 um, what it means to be a DJ today and talking about Krate Digga's experience, 297 00:19:41,399 --> 00:19:44,049 um, as a DJ for almost 30 years. 298 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:50,349 And so I just brought up the fact, like, "Hey, you know, there's a lot of d- 299 00:19:50,379 --> 00:19:58,199 these DJ tropes that are all over social media." I named a few of them, and finally 300 00:19:58,199 --> 00:20:04,959 I was just like, "Is, is the cure or is the solution to a lot of this stuff is 301 00:20:04,959 --> 00:20:07,769 that we should start gatekeeping DJing? 302 00:20:08,389 --> 00:20:11,729 Or should there be some gatekeeping when it comes to the art of DJing?" 303 00:20:12,059 --> 00:20:19,329 Well, this gentleman over here, Mr. Q- um, Jay Ray, uh, over here with his, 304 00:20:19,349 --> 00:20:24,829 um, mad scientist self clipped that up and posted it, and y'all went berserk. 305 00:20:24,829 --> 00:20:32,769 I mean, everybody had a, had some type of, um… which is fine, had a response or 306 00:20:32,779 --> 00:20:38,829 some type… uh, or an opinion regarding, um, gatekeeping as it comes to DJing. 307 00:20:39,129 --> 00:20:46,789 And what I noticed, Jay Ray, is that a lot of, a lot of people took offense because, 308 00:20:46,829 --> 00:20:53,349 and the way that they showed their offense was to call out, was to be ageist and 309 00:20:53,349 --> 00:21:01,179 say that, "Oh, you know, y'all are just old and, um, don't like that things 310 00:21:01,189 --> 00:21:04,139 are changing and things are evolving. 311 00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:10,239 Y'all are just old, and that's why you wanna gatekeep DJing." And 312 00:21:11,219 --> 00:21:14,129 no, I don't f- I- that's not true. 313 00:21:14,129 --> 00:21:18,289 As a matter of fact, Krate Digga implicitly was like, "No, we should not 314 00:21:18,299 --> 00:21:23,209 gatekeep DJing." But I mean, this c- and it's not, that's not, we're not the only 315 00:21:23,209 --> 00:21:24,929 ones that were having that conversation. 316 00:21:25,389 --> 00:21:28,159 Jay Ray, I saw a conversation being held by a young lady 317 00:21:28,169 --> 00:21:31,259 who is also, um, she's a DJ. 318 00:21:31,989 --> 00:21:39,819 Um, she is known for having, doing her DJ sets in outdoors 319 00:21:40,289 --> 00:21:40,849 Jay Ray: Yes, 320 00:21:41,455 --> 00:21:46,885 Sir Daniel: In different settings like canyons and mountains and by the beach 321 00:21:46,895 --> 00:21:49,365 and all that kind of stuff where she… 322 00:21:49,595 --> 00:21:50,085 Jay Ray: out there 323 00:21:50,645 --> 00:21:51,705 Sir Daniel: There's no electricity. 324 00:21:51,885 --> 00:21:58,425 And in her defense, if your laptop is fully powered, if you're using 325 00:21:58,425 --> 00:22:01,265 a laptop, I, I can't, I don't even know if she was using a laptop. 326 00:22:01,285 --> 00:22:05,965 But if your laptop is fully powered, you can plug in your laptop 327 00:22:06,005 --> 00:22:07,845 and your controller will work. 328 00:22:08,585 --> 00:22:10,405 Your pro- controller will work. 329 00:22:11,055 --> 00:22:14,765 So the… I think, but the, the conversation or the question 330 00:22:14,785 --> 00:22:18,295 became, well, are you really DJing? 331 00:22:18,305 --> 00:22:22,665 Because one, there's a whole aspect of you don't have monitors, or 332 00:22:22,675 --> 00:22:24,445 at least we didn't see monitors. 333 00:22:25,285 --> 00:22:31,365 Um, she was wearing her headphones throughout the whole set, and all the 334 00:22:31,365 --> 00:22:38,095 transitions just, it w- it, it were perfect and it just looked like a lot of 335 00:22:38,105 --> 00:22:44,445 knob turning bec- and because the bottom line is that a lot of people who, who have 336 00:22:44,445 --> 00:22:50,255 practiced for years who, as the kids say, put, got it out the mud and learned, um, 337 00:22:50,265 --> 00:22:58,045 the fundam- the, the fundamentals of DJing sometimes on analog equipment and, but 338 00:22:58,055 --> 00:23:05,145 also have an idea of how to use digital equipment, are noticing things that 339 00:23:05,155 --> 00:23:10,475 you're doing or not doing that's just, it's just raising a lot of questions. 340 00:23:11,115 --> 00:23:16,935 So Rob Swift, who is a, a well-known DJ who is, um, who's been in the 341 00:23:16,935 --> 00:23:23,015 game for 30-plus years, um, has, is a teacher, teaches people how 342 00:23:23,015 --> 00:23:28,575 to DJ, and he just asked her a question in, in one of her posts. 343 00:23:29,125 --> 00:23:34,165 And baby, when I tell you just the fact that he asked her a question and he also 344 00:23:34,185 --> 00:23:40,685 gave context to his question, um, and I know sometimes that people like Rob can 345 00:23:40,685 --> 00:23:46,335 be, can be blunt, but I, I, in my opinion, it didn't feel like he was being rude. 346 00:23:46,335 --> 00:23:48,565 He was truly just asking a question. 347 00:23:49,115 --> 00:23:55,045 And baby, when I tell you, I guess her fans, um, other young ladies who 348 00:23:55,065 --> 00:24:00,075 are also DJs, I mean, they hopped in the comments and they started 349 00:24:00,075 --> 00:24:05,995 swarming and attacking and it, it became an, a, um, an ageist attack. 350 00:24:06,385 --> 00:24:11,955 Um, it became, um, you're being misogynist and it became, "Oh, look at the… 351 00:24:11,955 --> 00:24:13,685 Here, surprise, surprise. 352 00:24:13,985 --> 00:24:18,695 Here comes the man, mansplaining on how to DJ like us ladies don't know how to DJ." 353 00:24:19,265 --> 00:24:23,015 And I just don't think it warranted that. 354 00:24:23,105 --> 00:24:28,595 It really was a legit question because I love, I love my lady DJs. 355 00:24:29,325 --> 00:24:31,695 You know, love them down, support them. 356 00:24:32,285 --> 00:24:32,835 We know this 357 00:24:33,009 --> 00:24:39,699 Jay Ray: you al- and you also know for real, for real lady, like women who DJ. 358 00:24:39,739 --> 00:24:41,289 Like, this is not… Like, these are 359 00:24:41,301 --> 00:24:44,111 Sir Daniel: Legendary for real DJs, right. 360 00:24:44,611 --> 00:24:52,251 And so when I see a lot of people who are saying, "Hmm, I don't know, I can get 361 00:24:52,251 --> 00:24:58,691 one of these cutesy little controllers," and we know that aesthetics are huge 362 00:24:58,981 --> 00:25:05,621 parts of, of, um, this generation's culture of expressing themselves, and 363 00:25:05,621 --> 00:25:09,771 it's not necessarily about substance, but it is a, a lot about aesthetics 364 00:25:09,771 --> 00:25:12,981 and, and making you feel a certain way and having things look a certain way. 365 00:25:13,681 --> 00:25:19,271 We're just asking questions like, "Are you… You know, what's up with that? 366 00:25:19,431 --> 00:25:24,091 Or why, why are you turning this knob and that really doesn't do anything? Are 367 00:25:24,091 --> 00:25:30,261 you doing that just to give the illusion that you are actually doing something?" 368 00:25:30,373 --> 00:25:34,843 it got really ugly quickly, and I was just, I just didn't 369 00:25:34,883 --> 00:25:41,793 understand how people, people got so offended so quickly regarding that 370 00:25:42,075 --> 00:25:47,205 Jay Ray: Yeah, it's funny that you mention that because, um, I had to 371 00:25:47,205 --> 00:25:50,215 take a step back 'cause I, the comment that you're talki- that, that you 372 00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:55,675 mentioned earlier on, um, was like 373 00:25:57,727 --> 00:26:02,667 ageist in a way that I didn't think was necessary, you know what I'm saying? 374 00:26:03,067 --> 00:26:07,447 And so I actually replied to that commenter, right? 375 00:26:07,447 --> 00:26:13,027 Both Kray and I did, actually, one of the things that was really important 376 00:26:13,037 --> 00:26:21,647 to me that reply was to acknowledge that Kray, that, "Yo, you need to go 377 00:26:21,647 --> 00:26:27,267 listen to the whole section because he's saying what you're saying." 378 00:26:27,267 --> 00:26:30,117 So you can only do so much. 379 00:26:30,147 --> 00:26:32,547 I had - I, I did clip that in a minute, right? 380 00:26:32,557 --> 00:26:37,047 That I truncated that whole thing into, like, one part, right? 381 00:26:37,877 --> 00:26:38,537 So that was that. 382 00:26:38,537 --> 00:26:39,857 I wanted that person to know that. 383 00:26:40,167 --> 00:26:46,977 And then number two is I didn't want to throw them away either and just 384 00:26:46,987 --> 00:26:50,937 be like, know, and just do that whole thing, 'cause it, it, it could have 385 00:26:51,097 --> 00:26:53,237 g- like, I could have gone there. 386 00:26:53,697 --> 00:27:01,157 But I, I - so I wanted to model the kind of behavior on our platform that 387 00:27:01,167 --> 00:27:05,377 we respect and expect in that statement. 388 00:27:05,407 --> 00:27:11,217 And so to that point of, like, people coming for … I think the 389 00:27:11,227 --> 00:27:17,487 internet, uh, in particular social media, has bred this clap back 390 00:27:18,097 --> 00:27:19,177 Sir Daniel: Mhm, mhm 391 00:27:19,747 --> 00:27:22,507 Jay Ray: that all the time isn't necessary. 392 00:27:22,547 --> 00:27:23,407 You know what I mean? 393 00:27:23,667 --> 00:27:29,717 The reality is this, homegirl, I ain't never seen homegirl who go to the canyons. 394 00:27:30,577 --> 00:27:31,897 But here's what I do know. 395 00:27:33,127 --> 00:27:38,737 What I do know is she is recording a YouTube video or 396 00:27:38,737 --> 00:27:40,427 whatever platform she's on. 397 00:27:40,987 --> 00:27:41,437 Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm. 398 00:27:41,497 --> 00:27:47,207 Jay Ray: order for her to get the, the stuff, the views that she wanna 399 00:27:47,217 --> 00:27:49,647 get, that set has to be perfect. 400 00:27:49,867 --> 00:27:51,047 And guess what I know? 401 00:27:51,347 --> 00:27:54,957 She ain't recording that set for real in that canyon. 402 00:27:55,267 --> 00:27:57,887 That set was recorded at her house. 403 00:27:58,557 --> 00:28:03,107 She had a very clear … 'Cause okay, so if you talking about how, you know, 404 00:28:03,327 --> 00:28:07,927 if you're doing all of this, like, you have to know exactly what to play, 405 00:28:07,937 --> 00:28:10,577 when to play, all of those pieces. 406 00:28:11,487 --> 00:28:16,347 She got - she was in there basically lip syncing the 407 00:28:16,587 --> 00:28:18,097 Potentially, allegedly. 408 00:28:18,107 --> 00:28:18,637 Potentially. 409 00:28:18,637 --> 00:28:19,837 This is Jay Ray talking. 410 00:28:20,067 --> 00:28:22,017 She might have been recording the thing in the canyon. 411 00:28:22,047 --> 00:28:24,427 Maybe she good at that, you know what I mean? 412 00:28:25,357 --> 00:28:32,567 But guess is what she did is she did that mix at home in a way that she can 413 00:28:32,567 --> 00:28:36,717 perfect that mix, because that's what makes sense to do, you know what I mean? 414 00:28:36,717 --> 00:28:37,387 Like, that's what 415 00:28:37,413 --> 00:28:37,763 Sir Daniel: Right 416 00:28:37,967 --> 00:28:41,747 Jay Ray: then you create the video from that thing. 417 00:28:41,937 --> 00:28:45,087 That just is good recording sense. 418 00:28:45,427 --> 00:28:46,657 That's no shade. 419 00:28:46,667 --> 00:28:48,377 I'm not saying that she didn't do it. 420 00:28:48,567 --> 00:28:53,115 What I'm saying is- My guess is it didn't happen the way it 421 00:28:53,115 --> 00:28:55,455 was filmed that it happened. 422 00:28:55,455 --> 00:28:55,535 W- 423 00:28:56,103 --> 00:28:58,303 Sir Daniel: And if you did, own up to it 424 00:28:58,523 --> 00:29:06,113 Jay Ray: If you did own up to … Or at least come on and be like, respond, some 425 00:29:06,113 --> 00:29:09,203 context, especially because it's DJ to DJ. 426 00:29:09,463 --> 00:29:12,823 You know, one of the things that's really dope if a DJ is coming onto 427 00:29:12,823 --> 00:29:16,663 your thing, there is a way that you can build a relationship with 428 00:29:17,181 --> 00:29:17,551 Sir Daniel: absolutely 429 00:29:17,823 --> 00:29:20,973 Jay Ray: with somebody else that's in your, uh, industry. 430 00:29:21,203 --> 00:29:22,673 And maybe they did in the DMs. 431 00:29:22,673 --> 00:29:25,313 Maybe there's a whole conversation about this that happened in the DMs 432 00:29:25,323 --> 00:29:26,673 that didn't happen on the thing. 433 00:29:28,033 --> 00:29:37,473 Point is, though, I think we have to model good behavior, and I absolutely 434 00:29:37,473 --> 00:29:41,233 think there are folks out here that do be straight up mansplaining. 435 00:29:41,243 --> 00:29:46,963 Like, "What are you doing coming on here?" And it doesn't sound like he was, uh, 436 00:29:47,013 --> 00:29:53,823 uh, questioning her, her DJing ability, but literally like, "Hey, what's this? 437 00:29:53,833 --> 00:29:54,093 What's 438 00:29:54,093 --> 00:29:55,483 Like, how is this happening? 439 00:29:56,041 --> 00:29:56,361 Sir Daniel: Yeah 440 00:29:56,613 --> 00:29:56,823 Jay Ray: this? 441 00:29:57,053 --> 00:29:58,553 I wanna go to the Canyon. 442 00:29:58,833 --> 00:30:02,263 How you doing this in the Canyon?" Like, how are you doing that? 443 00:30:02,447 --> 00:30:02,887 Sir Daniel: Right 444 00:30:03,243 --> 00:30:04,403 Jay Ray: dope, right? 445 00:30:04,833 --> 00:30:11,403 Um, and I think it's okay for us to have this dialogue. 446 00:30:11,433 --> 00:30:16,773 I just think we need to give people, um, room to have some discussion, and 447 00:30:16,773 --> 00:30:21,443 sometimes on social, m- most times on social media, we don't get the room. 448 00:30:21,763 --> 00:30:28,223 But Krate Digga a nuanced response to this, y'all, and 449 00:30:28,223 --> 00:30:29,863 I, I wanna big him up for it 450 00:30:30,235 --> 00:30:30,465 Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm 451 00:30:30,583 --> 00:30:40,793 Jay Ray: it did really change my mind about how I DJs. 452 00:30:41,033 --> 00:30:44,493 Now, I ain't gonna dance to all of y'all 'cause I can't. 453 00:30:45,503 --> 00:30:48,383 Some of y'all don't do what I need to be done, 454 00:30:49,281 --> 00:30:49,581 Sir Daniel: Exactly 455 00:30:49,673 --> 00:30:51,983 Jay Ray: make you bad at what you're doing. 456 00:30:52,353 --> 00:30:57,533 It don't work for me, but it might work for someone else, and that's cool. 457 00:30:57,773 --> 00:31:00,493 Now, there are some technical things that I'd be like, "No, no, no, no, what you 458 00:31:00,493 --> 00:31:02,433 just did there, that was like a bad blend. 459 00:31:03,049 --> 00:31:03,359 Sir Daniel: Ja 460 00:31:03,563 --> 00:31:04,243 Jay Ray: to blend. 461 00:31:04,493 --> 00:31:07,323 It didn't work." Right? 462 00:31:07,333 --> 00:31:07,393 You know what I'm saying? 463 00:31:07,393 --> 00:31:08,203 Like, there are technical things. 464 00:31:08,223 --> 00:31:12,813 But what Krate did, what he, his response was, and then I'll wrap this up, his 465 00:31:12,813 --> 00:31:18,893 response was basically like, "We have to that we are using the same words to 466 00:31:18,893 --> 00:31:21,333 describe ultimately different things. 467 00:31:21,503 --> 00:31:24,913 There are different kinds of DJs." And when he said that, I'm like, 468 00:31:25,133 --> 00:31:28,863 yeah, wedding DJs have to be set up to do a whole different thing. 469 00:31:29,153 --> 00:31:33,343 You have to be … You have to know your top 40 and know of this and 470 00:31:33,343 --> 00:31:36,123 know of that, be able to put, uh, uh, 471 00:31:36,123 --> 00:31:36,703 requests 472 00:31:36,823 --> 00:31:39,203 Sir Daniel: s- have scripts ready, everything 473 00:31:39,473 --> 00:31:39,563 Yep 474 00:31:39,623 --> 00:31:41,973 Jay Ray: and do this on a dime, and da, da, da. 475 00:31:41,973 --> 00:31:43,503 It's a different kind of DJ. 476 00:31:44,613 --> 00:31:47,993 DJs who are like, "I'm doing house parties because these are my rent 477 00:31:48,003 --> 00:31:53,875 parties. This is how I do this. do that this way." hop DJs, I do it this way. 478 00:31:54,365 --> 00:31:56,955 House DJs do a completely different thing. 479 00:31:56,995 --> 00:31:57,905 You know what I'm saying? 480 00:31:58,205 --> 00:32:07,025 So when we put that in context, it's like, oh, it gives more room 481 00:32:07,285 --> 00:32:10,045 for people to DJ in a lot of ways. 482 00:32:10,335 --> 00:32:13,415 Sir Daniel, I thought of you, and then I'm gonna end. 483 00:32:13,455 --> 00:32:14,035 I thought of you. 484 00:32:14,045 --> 00:32:18,655 You went to an event, I won't name the event because it'll hit, it'll hit 485 00:32:18,655 --> 00:32:21,105 people to, to possibly when it happened. 486 00:32:21,385 --> 00:32:23,325 But I think you called it, like, ADHD. 487 00:32:23,325 --> 00:32:25,595 It was like the set was kinda like ADHD. 488 00:32:25,605 --> 00:32:29,815 Like, it was like, oh, he went here, and then he went there, and I didn't 489 00:32:29,815 --> 00:32:33,195 know how he got there to there, but that was interesting to me. 490 00:32:34,175 --> 00:32:34,615 Sir Daniel: Mhm. 491 00:32:34,665 --> 00:32:36,025 Jay Ray: like, "Huh. Huh." 492 00:32:36,731 --> 00:32:39,101 Sir Daniel: Oh yeah, I for- I forgot I said that. 493 00:32:41,851 --> 00:32:42,881 I crack myself up. 494 00:32:42,881 --> 00:32:43,761 No, serious. 495 00:32:43,821 --> 00:32:44,531 But you're right. 496 00:32:44,531 --> 00:32:48,291 You're… And I was just like, "Wait, what, what's going on here?" But 497 00:32:48,443 --> 00:32:50,363 Jay Ray: But listen, the crowd was in there, 498 00:32:50,531 --> 00:32:51,321 Sir Daniel: somebody like it 499 00:32:52,043 --> 00:32:52,583 Jay Ray: "Huh?" 500 00:32:55,803 --> 00:33:01,983 Sir Daniel: I will say that like everything else in life, um, people's 501 00:33:02,013 --> 00:33:09,763 appreciation of DJs and the, and people who are parties, party star- 502 00:33:09,863 --> 00:33:15,633 starters, the people that, you know, are responsible for providing the soundtrack 503 00:33:15,673 --> 00:33:19,593 of your event, um, it's subjective. 504 00:33:19,663 --> 00:33:24,163 Everybody, like Jay Ray said, everybody's going to like somebody, and they're not 505 00:33:24,163 --> 00:33:27,683 going to li- and there's gonna be other people that think they're trash, right? 506 00:33:28,153 --> 00:33:30,233 That's just, that's how it is. 507 00:33:30,713 --> 00:33:37,123 I just think that there is in the DJ community, um, as we talk about the 508 00:33:37,123 --> 00:33:43,523 spectrum between age, um, gender within the, the DJ community, I think we would 509 00:33:43,553 --> 00:33:52,823 all benefit more if we listened, and Marq McPherson, um, kind of, uh, leaned 510 00:33:52,823 --> 00:33:59,043 into this, is that if we listen to learn or understand instead of listening to 511 00:33:59,043 --> 00:34:04,703 clap back and to have a, a response and to, you know, to get back at somebody, 512 00:34:05,353 --> 00:34:07,613 I think we would actually grow more. 513 00:34:08,183 --> 00:34:14,033 Because I'm at the age where I know, you know, I don't h- I, I'm nowhere near, um, 514 00:34:14,043 --> 00:34:16,533 maybe the skill level of a Krate Digga. 515 00:34:16,973 --> 00:34:24,229 And so a Krate, somebody who's been at it for 30 years is offering me some 516 00:34:24,229 --> 00:34:30,259 technical advice or something that's gonna make me step my game up, I am all ears. 517 00:34:30,909 --> 00:34:38,779 I feel like there is a, there's a level of ego that has overtaken everybody, whether 518 00:34:38,779 --> 00:34:44,039 you're an OG or you're new in the game, whether you have 100 followers or whether 519 00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:46,289 you, whether you have 100,000 followers. 520 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:50,829 I think a lot of us, our egos get in the way and do not allow for 521 00:34:50,859 --> 00:34:54,319 us to learn and therefore we're-- do not allow for us to grow. 522 00:34:55,309 --> 00:35:01,179 And so I just feel like we are truly missing out on, as you said 523 00:35:01,179 --> 00:35:06,569 earlier, Jay Ray, on growing community because there's… If, if, if, if, 524 00:35:06,589 --> 00:35:11,259 uh, Rob Swift hopped up in my, in my comments, oh, I would be DM-ing. 525 00:35:11,259 --> 00:35:17,249 I'd be like, "Hey, listen, I know who you are, and so if you have, if you 526 00:35:17,249 --> 00:35:20,499 have something, if I can learn something from you, I am definitely going to learn 527 00:35:20,499 --> 00:35:25,109 from it, learn from you, and take that advice." If somebody were to ask me 528 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:31,009 something and I, at my level, whatever level that is, I'll, I would definitely 529 00:35:31,229 --> 00:35:35,159 talk to that person because I think that we need to have more community 530 00:35:35,649 --> 00:35:37,359 instead of separating each other. 531 00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:44,599 But I think m- the money and especially the fame, notoriety has really taken a 532 00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:48,429 lot of the joy out of the art of DJing. 533 00:35:48,439 --> 00:35:54,299 So that, and that's really what's missing from everything is the joy part. 534 00:35:55,299 --> 00:35:55,399 Yep 535 00:35:55,457 --> 00:35:55,597 Jay Ray: part. 536 00:35:55,607 --> 00:35:57,097 Ooh, I live for that. 537 00:35:57,547 --> 00:36:03,607 Um, I want to do one more thing, um, this is amazing to me. 538 00:36:04,017 --> 00:36:07,877 So, and I think it goes back to what you were saying about DJing, 539 00:36:09,847 --> 00:36:14,617 DJs, DJs learning at all ages, 540 00:36:15,167 --> 00:36:15,557 Sir Daniel: Mhm 541 00:36:15,957 --> 00:36:19,807 Jay Ray: Krate has been doing this for 29 years, almost 30 years, right? 542 00:36:20,181 --> 00:36:20,661 Sir Daniel: Yes 543 00:36:21,317 --> 00:36:28,137 Jay Ray: Watching him DJ and using that Rain controller and like doing all 544 00:36:28,137 --> 00:36:32,447 the different like ch- da-doot-da-doos to extend the thing, and then I gotta 545 00:36:32,523 --> 00:36:32,763 Sir Daniel: Mhm. 546 00:36:33,157 --> 00:36:38,187 Jay Ray: and then I gotta like blend, and then I gotta like bring in the next song. 547 00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:43,447 is a commitment to continuous learning 548 00:36:43,821 --> 00:36:44,341 Sir Daniel: Yes 549 00:36:44,417 --> 00:36:50,367 Jay Ray: z- So when people are talking about like someone who's, quote, unquote, 550 00:36:50,437 --> 00:36:56,337 "old," I'm like, "No, this is someone who is consistently elevating his 551 00:36:56,377 --> 00:37:04,657 craft." And what we all should be hoping to do is learn from people like that. 552 00:37:04,727 --> 00:37:09,477 Like how… If I was interested in DJing, which I'm not, we know I've tried that 553 00:37:09,477 --> 00:37:12,167 before, wanna know how he did that. 554 00:37:12,257 --> 00:37:13,767 You know, how are you doing that? 555 00:37:14,197 --> 00:37:17,087 Um, that is great, and I wanna know how to do it. 556 00:37:17,087 --> 00:37:20,077 So I just wanted to, to, to echo everything. 557 00:37:20,077 --> 00:37:30,087 But yeah, man, um, we have to… And that joy, man, that lands so lovely because you 558 00:37:30,087 --> 00:37:33,587 could tell when a DJ… There's a story. 559 00:37:34,047 --> 00:37:39,767 Uh, uh, Ron Hardy was the DJ at the Music Box in Chicago. 560 00:37:40,577 --> 00:37:41,757 Legendary DJ. 561 00:37:42,237 --> 00:37:45,547 Um, house music, uh, uh, legend. 562 00:37:45,997 --> 00:37:50,127 And there is… I was watching a documentary once, and they was like, 563 00:37:50,497 --> 00:37:56,817 "Oh, no, no, no, you could tell Ron's mood based on the songs he played." 564 00:37:57,161 --> 00:37:57,581 Sir Daniel: Mm. 565 00:37:57,657 --> 00:38:00,327 Jay Ray: "If he had a argument with his dude before he did that 566 00:38:00,337 --> 00:38:04,917 set, that set was going to sound like he had an argument that day." 567 00:38:05,453 --> 00:38:05,463 Sir Daniel: Hmm 568 00:38:05,637 --> 00:38:06,887 Jay Ray: Like, that's how… 569 00:38:07,017 --> 00:38:13,147 So when we talk about that connection that we strive for, I hope that DJs 570 00:38:13,167 --> 00:38:16,627 have those connections with the songs that they're playing, because you 571 00:38:16,637 --> 00:38:18,447 giving that energy to the audience 572 00:38:19,117 --> 00:38:19,607 Sir Daniel: Yeah 573 00:38:19,757 --> 00:38:20,137 Jay Ray: there for. 574 00:38:20,357 --> 00:38:24,307 No matter what kind of DJ you, don't matter what kind of DJ you are, you 575 00:38:24,307 --> 00:38:26,027 there to connect with people somehow 576 00:38:27,341 --> 00:38:27,961 Sir Daniel: Yep. 577 00:38:27,961 --> 00:38:31,841 And I think that's, um, that's it. 578 00:38:31,851 --> 00:38:33,151 That hits the nail on the head. 579 00:38:33,161 --> 00:38:38,911 It's, it's connection, and I think that young lady, um, DJing in the canyon 580 00:38:38,991 --> 00:38:40,931 has connected with a lot of people. 581 00:38:41,341 --> 00:38:43,771 They connect with her, so shout out to her. 582 00:38:43,771 --> 00:38:44,491 I get it. 583 00:38:45,161 --> 00:38:51,131 And conti- and continue because we as DJs, we are here, we are providing a service. 584 00:38:51,673 --> 00:38:52,113 Jay Ray: Mm. 585 00:38:52,441 --> 00:38:57,461 Sir Daniel: And so when we continue to operate in that mindset, then 586 00:38:57,461 --> 00:39:00,691 the, the c- the things are going to come to you that you deserve 587 00:39:00,701 --> 00:39:02,431 because you are providing a service. 588 00:39:02,911 --> 00:39:08,521 I think some people are reacting to the fact that, yes, the, the 589 00:39:08,521 --> 00:39:10,088 pool has gotten a little, you know, it's gotten a little crowded 590 00:39:10,088 --> 00:39:11,261 because because it's a cool thing to 591 00:39:16,041 --> 00:39:19,961 do, and I get that because it's like, "Uh, where, where, where 592 00:39:19,961 --> 00:39:21,141 did all these people come from? 593 00:39:21,141 --> 00:39:22,501 This used to be my playground. 594 00:39:22,501 --> 00:39:24,821 Now every- now everybody wants to come over here. 595 00:39:24,821 --> 00:39:31,081 Now everybody wanna play my funk." And, but, and they're also taking, they're also 596 00:39:31,081 --> 00:39:35,231 taking opportunities away from me, and they're taking money out of my pocket. 597 00:39:35,731 --> 00:39:40,261 So there's a lot of, again, ego and feelings are getting involved here because 598 00:39:40,271 --> 00:39:41,691 now you're messing with people's money. 599 00:39:42,541 --> 00:39:47,261 And so I think if, if there was an understanding, this getting back to what 600 00:39:47,261 --> 00:39:50,811 we've been talking about, if there was some type of empathy and understanding 601 00:39:50,821 --> 00:39:56,011 within the community about what people are going through, especially if you, 602 00:39:56,041 --> 00:40:01,061 you're a, a DJ of a certain age, then more people would be understanding 603 00:40:01,301 --> 00:40:06,501 and might possibly put more thought and effort into the actual craft that 604 00:40:06,511 --> 00:40:08,341 they're professing to be a part of. 605 00:40:08,351 --> 00:40:10,571 So that's that on that 606 00:40:11,089 --> 00:40:15,009 Jay Ray: Shout out to the Simple E. I'm like, I was like, "Ah, I love that song." 607 00:40:16,451 --> 00:40:17,121 Sir Daniel: Caught that. 608 00:40:17,151 --> 00:40:17,801 Yeah. 609 00:40:17,851 --> 00:40:18,691 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 610 00:40:18,791 --> 00:40:19,341 You're welcome. 611 00:40:19,341 --> 00:40:19,841 You're welcome. 612 00:40:19,841 --> 00:40:20,771 You're welcome, everybody. 613 00:40:20,831 --> 00:40:21,311 You're welcome. 614 00:40:22,989 --> 00:40:25,979 Jay Ray: Um, if you can see our faces and hear our voices, hit the 615 00:40:25,979 --> 00:40:29,809 subscribe, uh, share the show with your friends, family, and colleagues. 616 00:40:30,089 --> 00:40:34,429 Make sure you visit our website at queuepoints.com and check out the 617 00:40:34,429 --> 00:40:40,279 conversation that we had with, uh, Krate Digga Dominic Lawson about The Krate Doc. 618 00:40:40,499 --> 00:40:41,609 Make sure that check The 619 00:40:41,609 --> 00:40:41,719 Krate 620 00:40:41,879 --> 00:40:46,089 Doc well beautiful documentary, and really does give you some insight 621 00:40:46,349 --> 00:40:51,219 on, uh, one DJ's life and kinda what it takes to, like, do this work, and 622 00:40:51,219 --> 00:40:52,719 it is not for the faint of heart. 623 00:40:52,949 --> 00:40:55,389 Five gigs in three days 624 00:40:55,973 --> 00:40:56,533 Sir Daniel: Woo! 625 00:40:57,159 --> 00:40:58,519 Jay Ray: That's a lot, you know what I'm saying? 626 00:40:58,539 --> 00:41:02,419 But the reality is that's, you know, that's, that's the, that's, that's it. 627 00:41:02,449 --> 00:41:03,529 That's what it is, right? 628 00:41:03,769 --> 00:41:05,979 So go and check that out at the website. 629 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,409 Um, check us out on Substack, uh, as well. 630 00:41:09,419 --> 00:41:11,129 You can subscribe to our newsletter there. 631 00:41:11,479 --> 00:41:17,339 And, um, yeah, that's… We're rebuilding the store, so, uh, that'll be coming soon. 632 00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:20,329 I'm flipping the script again, Sir Daniel, so I'm not ready to share it with you. 633 00:41:20,699 --> 00:41:21,959 Uh, I'ma change it again. 634 00:41:22,702 --> 00:41:22,822 Sir Daniel: Okay. 635 00:41:23,249 --> 00:41:24,209 Jay Ray: coming again. 636 00:41:24,299 --> 00:41:27,059 Uh, and, uh, but anyway, we appreciate y'all. 637 00:41:27,099 --> 00:41:27,769 We love y'all. 638 00:41:27,973 --> 00:41:30,343 Sir Daniel: Thank you once again for all the birthday wishes. 639 00:41:30,823 --> 00:41:34,033 Um, please make sure you subscribe to my YouTube channel. 640 00:41:34,073 --> 00:41:37,263 Like I said, if you wanna sub- if you wanna subscribe a DJ that's 641 00:41:37,313 --> 00:41:41,883 actually playing records and, and not just turning knobs and stuff. 642 00:41:41,883 --> 00:41:45,483 And if I… That's too much equipment to be taken out in the, in the canyon. 643 00:41:45,493 --> 00:41:46,543 That's not gonna happen. 644 00:41:46,707 --> 00:41:48,267 Jay Ray: like wheeling, like wheeling the table 645 00:41:48,443 --> 00:41:48,693 Sir Daniel: Nope. 646 00:41:49,793 --> 00:41:50,193 Nope. 647 00:41:50,333 --> 00:41:51,423 Absolutely not. 648 00:41:51,773 --> 00:41:54,743 But as I say in this life, you have a choice. 649 00:41:55,713 --> 00:41:57,763 Listen to me, you have a choice. 650 00:41:57,783 --> 00:42:01,393 You can either pick up the needle or you can let the record play. 651 00:42:01,433 --> 00:42:02,963 I am DJ Sir Daniel, 652 00:42:03,249 --> 00:42:04,579 Jay Ray: My name is Jay Ray, y'all 653 00:42:05,093 --> 00:42:07,083 Sir Daniel: and this has been Queue Points podcast, dropping 654 00:42:07,083 --> 00:42:09,353 the needle on Black music history. 655 00:42:09,623 --> 00:42:11,943 We will see you on the next go-round. 656 00:42:11,943 --> 00:42:12,353 Peace.