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 Welcome to the VP Life Podcast, the show

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 where we bring you actionable health

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 advice from Mielein Mainz.

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 I'm your host Rob.

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 My guest today has been Spitzdik, a

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 Coaching and the creator of the 4F

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 process, a systems-based framework

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 designed to restore health by fixing

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 physiology in the right order rather than

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 Expect to learn why traditional

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 despite the best of intentions, how the

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 and metabolic systems and why immune

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 metabolism, feedback driven coaching and

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 the order of operations matter more than

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 protocols or lab tests alone.

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 Now, on to the

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 conversation with Vince Pitstick.

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 Good morning Vince and thank you for

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 and I know you're busy

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 I first got to know you when we worked

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 I'm not coming in with

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 back when I was seven years old, grew up

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 that led to like immune deficiencies that

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 massive strep three times in a row.

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 dating myself here a little Rob, but this

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 there's this idea that the the body stops

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 of one system, and then all of you can

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 play nice is I'll stay in my lane, you

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 we'll refer to each other.

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 It's all going to work out great.

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 It's all going to be wonderful.

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 Everyone's going to make money, no one's

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 stepping on each other's toes.

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 right, so three to six months, in in by

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 has multiple systems that are now

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 impaired in different percentages.

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 way, we need we would either in the

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 system that we have in Western medicine,

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 the endocrinologist would need to talk to

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 the GI doctor would need

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 to talk to the cardiologist.

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 you know, but we don't do that in the

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 United States, right.

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 And so everyone falls through the cracks,

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 because nobody's talking in that way.

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 system to fit that system.

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 to be something else.

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 And what is that something else?

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 to is coming up with their own version of

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 like, what is something else?

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 You know, and that's what I've done for

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 myself, I say, well, I can't count on

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 anyone else to be

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 synergistic and talk to each other.

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 also connect with other practitioners who

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 are like minded, bring

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 psychologists, you know, and therapists,

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 because they begin to realize, hey, these

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 people, if they get consistent with their

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 exercise, if they just clean up their

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 diet a little bit, maybe they run a

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 something of the sort, something small

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 leads to incredible emotional and

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 right, psychological.

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 your immune system, it gets overactive.

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 going into sympathetic dominance, fight

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 or flight, upregulated nervous system.

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 clearly when you have a dysregulated

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 nervous system because it's trying to

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 tell you something's wrong in the body?

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 Like, good luck, like emotionally trying

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 to work through your problems when your

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 body in the inside is being like, you

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 know, and it's like, you

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 can soothe that physically.

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 And then you can also soothe it

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 psychologically, emotionally, right?

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 So this top down, bottom up approach

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 should always be best

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 practice to achieve wellness.

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 I can tell you on the business side, the

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 reason that this fails as someone who

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 tried to set these systems

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 up, it costs more money upfront.

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 It's not as simple.

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 It then requires you can't just have one

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 machine or one treatment, and then scale

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 that thing and improve

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 profitability like that.

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 You actually have to sit on it, this

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 imperfect system that makes a little less

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 money upfront, but starts getting

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 outcomes down the road that will start

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 attracting more people.

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 So doctors would have to be patient.

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 managers involved and their, and the

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 And people are going to be frustrated

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 with you because you're

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 trying to figure it out.

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 There's this huge desert that you've got

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 to get through to get to the other side

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 as a generalist in order to achieve a

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 practice that is actually

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 multidimensional in that way.

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 they're too afraid of peer pressure.

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 They're afraid of like insurance not

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 covering it and they

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 don't want to go cash pay.

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 And so the standard of care, insurance

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 companies, guys in suits who have no

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 clinical background are telling you how

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 to treat your patients are also rewarding

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 you by the way, by the number of pills

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 you prescribe, which is super messed up.

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 It's a whole other story.

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 But like, so you're trying to rip off the

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 teat of that, move into something

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 uncomfortable and as someone who coached

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 them through these things.

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 If you don't have a coach, if you're

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 trying to just do this because you feel

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 inspired and you know

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 it's the truth, good luck.

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 No one's making it.

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 You're going to go back to

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 doing what you always did.

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 You're going to check in

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 and you're going to check out.

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 You're going to go home and you're going

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 to love your family.

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 You're going to take them on vacations

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 and you're just going

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 to let it be what it is.

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 And that's why people don't get better.

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 Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more.

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 And I think it just speaks to this sort

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 of whole, well, not only the

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 dysfunctional sort of mainstream model

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 that we've sort of just discussed, well,

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 you've just discussed in great detail,

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 but also the functional medicine model.

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 Now, I suppose,

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 and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think

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 this whole functional medicine paradigm

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 really started maybe in the 60s with

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 Linus Pauling, who's as I'm sure you

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 know, is a biochemist.

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 He started this this idea of

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 orthomolecular medicine, which is where I

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 feel that functional

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 medicine has its roots.

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 This idea of course, that by utilizing

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 nutritional, nutritional aid, nutritional

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 supplements, you can tweak an

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 individual's biochemistry and hope to

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 improve a lot of

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 these chronic conditions.

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 Now, of course, that is

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 reductionist in of itself.

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 And obviously, Dr.

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 Pauling was just a biochemist.

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 So he didn't have the full view as you've

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 just alluded to, since in the field has

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 obviously evolved and progressed as has

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 functional medicine.

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 And people are now going into these sort

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 of functional medicine clinics and these

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 settings and these programs and to some

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 speaking, making some level of progress.

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 lot of them are still struggling and

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 still falling through the cracks, even

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 though we sort of moved from this

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 traditional paradigm of siloed medicine,

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 where you only ever see one doctor who

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 operates in with it with through one lens

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 and through and in one specialty to this

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 more functional paradigm, but

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 people are still struggling.

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 Now, can we shout out Linus Pauling, the

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 basically the godfather of vitamin C.

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 Yes, right.

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 You know, I mean, starting from just one

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 vitamin, and then that's where what's

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 interesting about my lineage on this.

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 Yeah, his understudy was Dr.

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 Jeffrey Bland.

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 Yes.

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 And Dr.

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 Jeffrey Bland, I had the like, again, I

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 was this young, I had no idea who I got

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 to spend time with, like, he's the

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 Einstein, in my opinion of our time, Dr.

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 And I, one of the things that I found so

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 interesting is that when I was young,

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 learning nutrition, learning all these

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 things, and I was in the bodybuilding at

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 this time, here I show up, you know, and,

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 you know, just huge over

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 consuming mTOR, you know, whatever.

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 And I walk in into these functional

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 rooms, and I get to meet Dr.

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 Bland and everybody.

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 And I, I had no idea

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 what I was about to uncover.

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 Anyways, I still, I still digress and

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 laugh at the journey a little bit, you

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 know, where, you know, we all learn new

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 things, you know, that's why you might

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 start like everything's carnivore.

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 And then you go, Oh, my god, there's this

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 whole world of this, that and the other,

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 you know, or whatever your thing is, the

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 journey is going to take you to very

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 unconventional places.

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 I guess that's I'm just laughing at the

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 road to getting here, you know.

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 Anyway, of course, what they say all

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 roads ultimately leads to

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 Rome in one way, shape or form.

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 So yeah, definitely.

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 Yeah, no, I sort of, I

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 briefly remember reading up that Dr.

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 Bland was an understudy of Dr.

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 Paul Pauling.

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 Yeah, I should have linked that up in a

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 bit more detail given who I'm talking to.

550
00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:14,416
 Anyway, but I suppose fundamentally, and

551
00:19:14,416 --> 00:19:16,083
 you've, you've covered this to an extent,

552
00:19:16,083 --> 00:19:18,083
 but and we can keep a brief, of course.

553
00:19:18,750 --> 00:19:20,541
 But why has functional

554
00:19:20,541 --> 00:19:21,875
 medicine failed, do you think?

555
00:19:22,125 --> 00:19:24,708
 I mean, it's more, you've, as I said,

556
00:19:24,708 --> 00:19:26,208
 you've already spoken about this briefly,

557
00:19:26,666 --> 00:19:29,541
 but functional medicine is still missing

558
00:19:29,541 --> 00:19:31,416
 the boat in so many ways.

559
00:19:31,416 --> 00:19:32,250
 And then I'd love to get

560
00:19:32,250 --> 00:19:33,375
 into your fore process.

561
00:19:34,375 --> 00:19:37,416
 Now, I mean, again, I've got my thoughts.

562
00:19:37,708 --> 00:19:38,333
 It's a sort of

563
00:19:38,333 --> 00:19:41,041
 fragmented sort of organ versus

564
00:19:42,833 --> 00:19:44,791
 sort of whole systems approach.

565
00:19:45,208 --> 00:19:47,375
 And there's very little way in terms of

566
00:19:47,375 --> 00:19:49,125
 systemic infrastructure in functional

567
00:19:49,125 --> 00:19:51,083
 medicine that has been established.

568
00:19:51,666 --> 00:19:54,791
 Again, everybody has their sort of their

569
00:19:54,791 --> 00:19:56,500
 MO, their way they approach it.

570
00:19:57,416 --> 00:19:59,125
 Instead of being going to a

571
00:19:59,125 --> 00:20:00,500
 gastroenterologist, you're now going to

572
00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:02,083
 functional medicine specialist to only

573
00:20:02,083 --> 00:20:04,791
 focus on this, excuse me, only focuses on

574
00:20:04,791 --> 00:20:06,958
 the gut, or only focusing on hormones.

575
00:20:07,708 --> 00:20:09,291
 And do you sort of broadly speaking, sort

576
00:20:09,291 --> 00:20:11,291
 of find that to be true?

577
00:20:11,291 --> 00:20:12,833
 Or do you find that or do you think there

578
00:20:12,833 --> 00:20:14,291
 are other reasons why the system fails?

579
00:20:16,166 --> 00:20:18,083
 So in the last decade,

580
00:20:19,166 --> 00:20:22,083
 you know, functional medicine, year over

581
00:20:22,083 --> 00:20:23,375
 year grows, the industry

582
00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:28,416
 grows about 26%, which is large, that's a

583
00:20:28,416 --> 00:20:30,916
 huge, that's a huge shift.

584
00:20:31,958 --> 00:20:35,208
 Same thing, online fitness, you know, I

585
00:20:35,208 --> 00:20:37,166
 don't want to bring this up to, we've

586
00:20:37,166 --> 00:20:38,791
 seen massive industrial growth.

587
00:20:38,791 --> 00:20:39,875
 I mean, people are spending more on

588
00:20:39,875 --> 00:20:41,000
 weight loss than ever

589
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,166
 before in human history.

590
00:20:43,291 --> 00:20:43,541
 Right.

591
00:20:44,041 --> 00:20:45,625
 And it seems like the more money that we

592
00:20:45,625 --> 00:20:46,458
 throw at the problem,

593
00:20:47,166 --> 00:20:49,333
 medicine is at all time high, right?

594
00:20:49,333 --> 00:20:52,000
 Like, you know, as part of GDP, right?

595
00:20:52,583 --> 00:20:53,666
 More drugs than ever,

596
00:20:53,666 --> 00:20:54,833
 more doctors than ever.

597
00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:56,791
 And yet we're sicker than ever.

598
00:20:57,875 --> 00:20:58,250
 Right?

599
00:20:58,583 --> 00:21:01,958
 So there, there seems to be this, this

600
00:21:01,958 --> 00:21:04,416
 relationship that we're missing the point

601
00:21:04,416 --> 00:21:06,416
 in that, and this is where I'll get to

602
00:21:06,416 --> 00:21:09,000
 this is that clearly fitness hasn't

603
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,000
 figured it out and put

604
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,333
 a dent into it, right?

605
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,958
 Clearly functional medicine hasn't to

606
00:21:14,958 --> 00:21:16,083
 this point been able to

607
00:21:16,083 --> 00:21:17,333
 put much of a debt in it.

608
00:21:17,833 --> 00:21:20,500
 And clearly, Western medicine hasn't been

609
00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:21,416
 able to stop it either,

610
00:21:21,791 --> 00:21:23,041
 for all their benefits.

611
00:21:23,041 --> 00:21:24,541
 They all have benefits, all three of

612
00:21:24,541 --> 00:21:27,666
 them, but in and of themselves have been

613
00:21:28,416 --> 00:21:33,500
 relatively powerless to shift the

614
00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:35,125
 morbidity curve in the United States.

615
00:21:35,708 --> 00:21:35,916
 Right.

616
00:21:36,625 --> 00:21:38,250
 And globally, I mean, it's happening all

617
00:21:38,250 --> 00:21:39,583
 over once they adopt the

618
00:21:39,583 --> 00:21:40,958
 Western medicine way of life.

619
00:21:40,958 --> 00:21:42,791
 And so, or Western way of life.

620
00:21:43,416 --> 00:21:46,125
 So let me give you my perspective, two

621
00:21:46,125 --> 00:21:48,458
 things on the problem and why.

622
00:21:49,958 --> 00:21:52,541
 One is functional medicine still thinks

623
00:21:52,541 --> 00:21:54,375
 like Western medicine.

624
00:21:54,916 --> 00:21:56,625
 They want to be like Western medicine.

625
00:21:56,875 --> 00:21:57,500
 And then therefore,

626
00:21:57,500 --> 00:21:59,583
 oftentimes, you've got two camps.

627
00:22:00,041 --> 00:22:01,916
 You've got the really, really holistic

628
00:22:01,916 --> 00:22:04,000
 practitioner, who's got their one off

629
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,375
 thing that they do on everybody.

630
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,000
 It's the same, that's the

631
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,708
 kind of myopic thought process.

632
00:22:09,166 --> 00:22:10,416
 That's the issue.

633
00:22:10,416 --> 00:22:13,125
 It's like, it's all just PEMF, or it's

634
00:22:13,125 --> 00:22:15,708
 all just H-Bot, or it's all just, you

635
00:22:15,708 --> 00:22:17,833
 know, whatever the thing is, you know,

636
00:22:18,416 --> 00:22:20,125
 and when they get off on their soapbox,

637
00:22:20,125 --> 00:22:21,625
 and they don't work with anybody else.

638
00:22:22,041 --> 00:22:24,416
 And so they kind of relegate themselves

639
00:22:24,416 --> 00:22:28,250
 to a smaller population of people to

640
00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:29,500
 proportionately impact

641
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:31,083
 that then doesn't spread.

642
00:22:31,791 --> 00:22:33,458
 And then you got the other group who

643
00:22:33,458 --> 00:22:35,750
 looks for adoption, they look to get

644
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:37,583
 certifications and licensing and

645
00:22:37,583 --> 00:22:38,458
 functional medicine.

646
00:22:39,916 --> 00:22:42,250
 Most of my opinion, when you look at most

647
00:22:42,250 --> 00:22:44,125
 of the certifications or licensing and

648
00:22:44,125 --> 00:22:47,083
 testing, it's done like Western medicine.

649
00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:48,500
 That's why like, if you look at the

650
00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:51,291
 naturopath, for example, when they first

651
00:22:51,291 --> 00:22:53,791
 started, when it first started coming up,

652
00:22:54,875 --> 00:22:56,666
 naturopaths looked like the great hope.

653
00:22:57,333 --> 00:22:57,875
 It really did.

654
00:22:58,333 --> 00:23:00,333
 Early on, they had their own schools and

655
00:23:00,333 --> 00:23:01,583
 all this other stuff, and it

656
00:23:01,583 --> 00:23:02,541
 looked like the great hope.

657
00:23:03,625 --> 00:23:06,000
 And today, I'm sorry, it's failed

658
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,041
 everybody, and it's not

659
00:23:08,041 --> 00:23:09,708
 any better for most of them.

660
00:23:09,708 --> 00:23:12,500
 And the reason why is they still think

661
00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:16,000
 Western medicine, and then they just

662
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,708
 apply the functional on the back end.

663
00:23:18,083 --> 00:23:20,458
 How you look at solving problems decides

664
00:23:20,458 --> 00:23:23,083
 whether your root cause or not, you know,

665
00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:26,666
 you can't just run 2700 tests, throw

666
00:23:26,666 --> 00:23:28,333
 everything together as a kind of random

667
00:23:28,333 --> 00:23:30,125
 treatment, and then see them again in

668
00:23:30,125 --> 00:23:30,958
 three to six months,

669
00:23:30,958 --> 00:23:32,916
 like, it's not going to work.

670
00:23:33,458 --> 00:23:35,583
 Okay, it's just a green pharmacy.

671
00:23:35,916 --> 00:23:37,750
 It's not, it's not going to work.

672
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:38,583
 It doesn't work.

673
00:23:39,166 --> 00:23:39,416
 Right?

674
00:23:39,416 --> 00:23:40,125
 We see that.

675
00:23:40,416 --> 00:23:42,791
 Now, I'm glad that other options exist.

676
00:23:43,083 --> 00:23:43,750
 Don't get me wrong.

677
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:44,750
 If you're a functional medicine

678
00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:45,541
 practitioner, and I'm

679
00:23:45,541 --> 00:23:46,375
 not here to poo poo.

680
00:23:47,208 --> 00:23:49,416
 I just I don't I still think you're

681
00:23:49,416 --> 00:23:52,166
 thinking like a Western alipath.

682
00:23:52,375 --> 00:23:53,125
 Right?

683
00:23:53,125 --> 00:23:54,250
 It's like, what's the symptom?

684
00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:56,000
 And then what pill do I give for that?

685
00:23:56,333 --> 00:23:57,458
 You're just given a

686
00:23:57,458 --> 00:23:59,208
 supplement rather than a drug.

687
00:23:59,958 --> 00:24:01,583
 And it's like, no, that's not it.

688
00:24:01,583 --> 00:24:02,375
 It's not enough.

689
00:24:03,291 --> 00:24:03,500
 Right?

690
00:24:04,166 --> 00:24:07,125
 So the other component of it is not just

691
00:24:07,125 --> 00:24:09,000
 the way that we solve problems,

692
00:24:10,166 --> 00:24:12,250
 which I take a very inductive or

693
00:24:12,250 --> 00:24:14,166
 deductive approach versus an inductive

694
00:24:14,166 --> 00:24:14,833
 approach, we've talked

695
00:24:14,833 --> 00:24:16,208
 about the differences there.

696
00:24:16,750 --> 00:24:18,000
 And there's a book called

697
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,375
 the problem of induction.

698
00:24:20,083 --> 00:24:22,708
 And if you can bore through it, it will

699
00:24:22,708 --> 00:24:25,250
 open your mind to how solving things

700
00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:26,375
 through the inductive

701
00:24:26,375 --> 00:24:28,500
 method is actually incorrect.

702
00:24:28,833 --> 00:24:31,166
 And whenever any industry applies it,

703
00:24:31,166 --> 00:24:32,000
 you're doomed to fail.

704
00:24:32,291 --> 00:24:35,166
 Because your way of solving problems is

705
00:24:35,166 --> 00:24:37,041
 in contradiction to how

706
00:24:37,041 --> 00:24:38,875
 the body actually heals.

707
00:24:39,458 --> 00:24:42,250
 And so very much so deductive working

708
00:24:42,250 --> 00:24:44,375
 through a systematic process towards the

709
00:24:44,375 --> 00:24:47,083
 solution is always it.

710
00:24:47,416 --> 00:24:48,500
 That's why if somebody comes, let me give

711
00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:49,916
 an example that people can understand.

712
00:24:50,291 --> 00:24:52,500
 If somebody comes into me, and they have

713
00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:54,916
 a blood pressure issue, okay, right,

714
00:24:54,916 --> 00:24:55,916
 let's say they have blood pressure issue.

715
00:24:57,041 --> 00:24:58,291
 I know that that's going to be a deeper

716
00:24:58,291 --> 00:25:00,708
 cardiovascular typically, I mean, 5% of

717
00:25:01,125 --> 00:25:03,916
 kidney issues are not vascular nature and

718
00:25:03,916 --> 00:25:05,500
 have other other reasons, I understand

719
00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:06,500
 that, but for the vast majority,

720
00:25:07,958 --> 00:25:09,541
 what I'm going to do is I'm going to work

721
00:25:09,541 --> 00:25:11,833
 through a process towards helping the

722
00:25:11,833 --> 00:25:13,791
 kidneys, I'm not just going to start with

723
00:25:13,791 --> 00:25:15,666
 the kidneys, meaning that like, I'm not

724
00:25:15,666 --> 00:25:16,916
 just going to give you a blood pressure

725
00:25:16,916 --> 00:25:17,750
 pill and see in three

726
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:19,416
 to six months, right?

727
00:25:19,416 --> 00:25:20,500
 Or I'm not going to give you a bunch of

728
00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:21,916
 supplements for your blood pressure and

729
00:25:21,916 --> 00:25:24,083
 see in three to six months and tell you

730
00:25:24,083 --> 00:25:27,208
 to walk and, you know, drink water, like,

731
00:25:27,208 --> 00:25:28,500
 like, okay, I get that.

732
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:30,875
 What I'm going to do is I know I'm going

733
00:25:30,875 --> 00:25:32,833
 to start with opening lymphatics liver,

734
00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:35,500
 getting fluids off the top of the body,

735
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:37,500
 reducing inflammation, then I'm going to

736
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:38,916
 move to the gut where most cellular

737
00:25:38,916 --> 00:25:41,916
 inflammation comes from to start to give

738
00:25:41,916 --> 00:25:43,916
 the kidneys more of a break, then I'm

739
00:25:43,916 --> 00:25:45,666
 going to do some intermittent fasting,

740
00:25:45,666 --> 00:25:46,541
 fast feasting, because I can

741
00:25:46,541 --> 00:25:47,958
 clean the kidneys out easier.

742
00:25:48,250 --> 00:25:49,666
 And then by the time I even got to the

743
00:25:49,666 --> 00:25:51,333
 kidneys, if I wanted to put a blood

744
00:25:51,333 --> 00:25:52,791
 pressure medication in, I wouldn't need

745
00:25:52,791 --> 00:25:54,375
 to, they'd already be solved.

746
00:25:54,958 --> 00:25:57,250
 The trickle down effect is what you want

747
00:25:57,250 --> 00:25:59,333
 for the solution to the diagnosis.

748
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,500
 Not like everything is like diagnosis and

749
00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:04,500
 work backwards, right?

750
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:06,541
 You want to have a process forwards and

751
00:26:06,541 --> 00:26:08,375
 that can be hard for people to understand

752
00:26:08,375 --> 00:26:10,041
 if they've been medically trained for a

753
00:26:10,041 --> 00:26:11,666
 very, very, very long time.

754
00:26:12,125 --> 00:26:14,041
 And I fully respect that and I understand

755
00:26:14,041 --> 00:26:15,625
 that and I understand if people disagree

756
00:26:15,625 --> 00:26:18,125
 with me, but if it's bad enough, you

757
00:26:18,125 --> 00:26:19,208
 could certainly put a blood pressure

758
00:26:19,208 --> 00:26:20,458
 medication in, but you're still going to

759
00:26:20,458 --> 00:26:21,583
 go work the process forward.

760
00:26:21,958 --> 00:26:22,125
 Okay.

761
00:26:22,541 --> 00:26:27,541
 So one is how we solve problems and then

762
00:26:27,541 --> 00:26:31,250
 two is how we treat, like, what is the

763
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:33,291
 process of walking people through?

764
00:26:33,291 --> 00:26:35,041
 How do we actually solve problems?

765
00:26:35,458 --> 00:26:37,916
 And so what do I mean by that is what is

766
00:26:37,916 --> 00:26:39,458
 the treatment plan like?

767
00:26:40,375 --> 00:26:44,625
 And so for me, I know for a fact that if

768
00:26:44,625 --> 00:26:47,166
 someone doesn't have a relationship

769
00:26:47,166 --> 00:26:53,125
 during their care, the number one element

770
00:26:53,125 --> 00:26:55,250
 to healing is the human element.

771
00:26:55,833 --> 00:26:59,416
 That is why right next to penicillin, the

772
00:26:59,416 --> 00:27:01,333
 number one greatest invention in human

773
00:27:01,333 --> 00:27:04,500
 history for healing is the nurse because

774
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:06,500
 every treatment in the world

775
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:08,666
 is delivered by a nurse today.

776
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:12,250
 And without that relationship, right, to

777
00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:13,583
 the doctor and to the nurse,

778
00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:15,791
 healing is almost impossible.

779
00:27:15,791 --> 00:27:16,833
 There's no trust.

780
00:27:16,833 --> 00:27:17,625
 Your nervous system's

781
00:27:17,625 --> 00:27:18,541
 not going to calm down.

782
00:27:18,833 --> 00:27:20,250
 You're out there on your own.

783
00:27:20,250 --> 00:27:21,625
 Your body's going to stay in something

784
00:27:21,625 --> 00:27:23,041
 called cell danger response.

785
00:27:24,166 --> 00:27:26,250
 And so the reality is your body will

786
00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:28,000
 resist any kind of treatment because it's

787
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,041
 this self-sustaining vehicle.

788
00:27:30,666 --> 00:27:32,500
 And without you having the human element

789
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:34,375
 of healing, I don't think it exists.

790
00:27:35,666 --> 00:27:38,500
 And so for me, that's why I believe so

791
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:40,541
 heavily that if you don't have a coach

792
00:27:40,541 --> 00:27:43,708
 that's staying in contact or a process

793
00:27:43,708 --> 00:27:46,625
 where you're having consistent contact or

794
00:27:46,625 --> 00:27:48,750
 community with your

795
00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:51,750
 patients or your clients,

796
00:27:53,083 --> 00:27:55,958
 your success rate goes through the toilet

797
00:27:55,958 --> 00:27:56,875
 or goes down the toilet.

798
00:27:58,458 --> 00:28:00,583
 There has to be an element of lifestyle

799
00:28:00,583 --> 00:28:04,416
 change activated by the patient or the

800
00:28:04,416 --> 00:28:08,166
 client while you're providing a therapy

801
00:28:08,166 --> 00:28:09,958
 and walking them through the journey of

802
00:28:09,958 --> 00:28:12,750
 healing that includes mind,

803
00:28:12,750 --> 00:28:15,833
 body and dare I even say spirit

804
00:28:15,833 --> 00:28:16,708
 or 100%.

805
00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:19,541
 I mean, we've had related relationship.

806
00:28:19,958 --> 00:28:22,083
 We've had discussions about God and the

807
00:28:22,083 --> 00:28:23,125
 spiritual matters as well.

808
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:26,541
 And I mean, at this point in time, all I

809
00:28:26,541 --> 00:28:27,708
 want to do is talk about cell danger

810
00:28:27,708 --> 00:28:28,708
 response because yeah,

811
00:28:28,708 --> 00:28:29,666
 that's my jam at the moment.

812
00:28:30,166 --> 00:28:33,208
 But I think you are dead on.

813
00:28:33,666 --> 00:28:38,208
 And I think if I was to sort of, I think

814
00:28:38,208 --> 00:28:40,583
 that by focusing on the nervous system

815
00:28:40,583 --> 00:28:43,791
 more so than anything, you can create

816
00:28:43,791 --> 00:28:45,375
 more of a shift in someone's state of

817
00:28:45,375 --> 00:28:47,125
 health than you can by pulling any other

818
00:28:47,125 --> 00:28:48,791
 lever if you could only pull one.

819
00:28:49,375 --> 00:28:50,541
 I mean, of course, that's

820
00:28:50,541 --> 00:28:52,500
 another rabbit hole completely.

821
00:28:53,083 --> 00:28:54,083
 But I mean, this is right

822
00:28:54,083 --> 00:28:55,291
 there, you're not wrong.

823
00:28:55,541 --> 00:28:57,083
 So if I was going to start somewhere,

824
00:28:57,416 --> 00:28:58,750
 right, if I was going to have a strategy,

825
00:28:59,541 --> 00:29:01,958
 the nervous system speaks to all other

826
00:29:01,958 --> 00:29:03,291
 systems of the body, right?

827
00:29:03,791 --> 00:29:05,291
 And you're really talking about the brain

828
00:29:05,291 --> 00:29:06,000
 and the nerve, that's

829
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,166
 the whole one system.

830
00:29:07,791 --> 00:29:09,916
 But that nervous system is going to is

831
00:29:09,916 --> 00:29:11,916
 going to help reregulate the

832
00:29:11,916 --> 00:29:14,041
 communication, it's going to create

833
00:29:14,041 --> 00:29:15,750
 ecosystem balance, the

834
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:17,000
 body is not a machine.

835
00:29:17,375 --> 00:29:18,875
 If it was a machine, that's why sometimes

836
00:29:18,875 --> 00:29:21,000
 I hate the idea of pills is like, give

837
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,708
 them 20 milligrams of this and this will

838
00:29:22,708 --> 00:29:23,708
 be the exact outcome.

839
00:29:24,083 --> 00:29:25,333
 Yeah, that'll start that way.

840
00:29:25,333 --> 00:29:26,791
 And then it's immediately going to change

841
00:29:26,791 --> 00:29:29,500
 because an ecosystem adapts to the

842
00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:31,458
 stimulus immediately as

843
00:29:31,458 --> 00:29:32,583
 you begin to give it to it.

844
00:29:33,333 --> 00:29:34,625
 And so it's not a machine.

845
00:29:34,625 --> 00:29:35,875
 If I if it's a machine, I can give it an

846
00:29:35,875 --> 00:29:36,916
 exact input with an exact

847
00:29:36,916 --> 00:29:38,166
 output every single time.

848
00:29:38,958 --> 00:29:41,041
 But an ecosystem is always changing.

849
00:29:41,791 --> 00:29:43,041
 And so you have to create

850
00:29:43,041 --> 00:29:46,041
 what balance to the ecosystem.

851
00:29:46,791 --> 00:29:49,125
 And that's why the nervous system is so

852
00:29:49,125 --> 00:29:51,666
 critical to getting the kidneys back in

853
00:29:51,666 --> 00:29:54,166
 alignment with the liver to the gut, to

854
00:29:54,166 --> 00:29:56,625
 the endocrine system, right?

855
00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:59,208
 And so you can work the nervous system

856
00:29:59,208 --> 00:30:02,708
 bottom up through different therapies,

857
00:30:02,708 --> 00:30:04,041
 like, you know, foods

858
00:30:04,041 --> 00:30:05,083
 and stuff like that.

859
00:30:06,041 --> 00:30:08,541
 And, and, you know, sunlight, and, you

860
00:30:08,541 --> 00:30:09,791
 know, there's all kinds of treatments we

861
00:30:09,791 --> 00:30:11,083
 could talk about the flush is what I do

862
00:30:11,083 --> 00:30:11,833
 for the nervous system.

863
00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:12,958
 Right.

864
00:30:13,458 --> 00:30:16,083
 And then but then also you can do it top

865
00:30:16,083 --> 00:30:19,333
 down through community,

866
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:23,708
 spirit, again, cognitive behavioral was

867
00:30:23,708 --> 00:30:25,875
 was one of the ones I did for me, all

868
00:30:25,875 --> 00:30:26,833
 these different things.

869
00:30:27,166 --> 00:30:28,500
 And then all of a sudden, that nervous

870
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:29,833
 system really starts to calm down.

871
00:30:30,208 --> 00:30:33,125
 And then you can break through to the

872
00:30:33,125 --> 00:30:36,125
 specific area you want to get to, right,

873
00:30:36,125 --> 00:30:37,750
 whatever the specific system is.

874
00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:41,125
 But really, the gatekeeper to that system

875
00:30:41,125 --> 00:30:42,500
 is the nervous system, you see.

876
00:30:43,166 --> 00:30:43,833
 So there's like an

877
00:30:43,833 --> 00:30:45,708
 order of operations, Rob.

878
00:30:46,416 --> 00:30:47,916
 And this is where the light bulb went on

879
00:30:47,916 --> 00:30:48,958
 for me, brother, when I was

880
00:30:48,958 --> 00:30:50,208
 watching everyone work it.

881
00:30:50,208 --> 00:30:51,166
 And remember, I told you pattern

882
00:30:51,166 --> 00:30:54,375
 recognition, I'm like, Oh, wait a minute,

883
00:30:54,375 --> 00:30:56,625
 it's kind of like switches on, when the

884
00:30:56,625 --> 00:30:59,500
 power goes out, you turn the you turn the

885
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:01,625
 main on first, and then you got to turn

886
00:31:01,625 --> 00:31:02,916
 the other switches on.

887
00:31:03,416 --> 00:31:04,708
 And then and then all of a sudden things

888
00:31:04,708 --> 00:31:07,458
 start to turn on, Rob, that was what I

889
00:31:07,458 --> 00:31:09,000
 was like, Okay, what's the order?

890
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,625
 What's the magic combination?

891
00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:13,125
 And I was like, 1234.

892
00:31:13,125 --> 00:31:14,208
 This is the order.

893
00:31:14,791 --> 00:31:15,500
 And then I took all

894
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:16,500
 those things that do that.

895
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:17,833
 And I put it into a system.

896
00:31:17,833 --> 00:31:20,291
 And we call it the four f system,

897
00:31:20,625 --> 00:31:22,000
 which is absolutely perfect.

898
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:22,875
 Because that's what I

899
00:31:22,875 --> 00:31:23,666
 want to discuss next.

900
00:31:23,666 --> 00:31:25,708
 Because quite honestly, all I want to do

901
00:31:25,708 --> 00:31:26,333
 is geek out with you

902
00:31:26,333 --> 00:31:27,083
 on the stuff all day.

903
00:31:27,083 --> 00:31:28,500
 However, you have a time limit, and we've

904
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:29,500
 got to keep it pretty high level.

905
00:31:29,958 --> 00:31:31,583
 So you and I could do it forever.

906
00:31:31,875 --> 00:31:33,000
 I could talk about it forever.

907
00:31:33,333 --> 00:31:35,833
 Yeah, it's definitely two piece in a pod.

908
00:31:36,333 --> 00:31:38,000
 But yeah, your forex system.

909
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,666
 Now, I think I can quote you as saying

910
00:31:39,666 --> 00:31:41,208
 that you're willing to take on and

911
00:31:41,208 --> 00:31:43,083
 correct me if I'm wrong, pretty much any

912
00:31:43,083 --> 00:31:44,291
 health condition out there.

913
00:31:44,291 --> 00:31:45,791
 And as you feel that this system you

914
00:31:45,791 --> 00:31:48,166
 built out the forex system, I suppose

915
00:31:48,166 --> 00:31:50,291
 covers enough of the the pathophysiology

916
00:31:50,291 --> 00:31:53,333
 for it to be effective at being able to

917
00:31:53,333 --> 00:31:55,583
 well treat the root of any

918
00:31:55,583 --> 00:31:56,875
 sort of quote unquote condition.

919
00:31:57,458 --> 00:31:59,000
 Now, of course, I don't expect to give

920
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,041
 away you to give away all your IP,

921
00:32:01,041 --> 00:32:02,458
 although maybe a little bit although I

922
00:32:02,458 --> 00:32:03,208
 love to give it away

923
00:32:03,208 --> 00:32:05,208
 and then wouldn't hurt to become pay us

924
00:32:05,208 --> 00:32:06,375
 to organize it for him.

925
00:32:06,375 --> 00:32:07,291
 You know, yeah, there we go.

926
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:08,750
 That's gonna be my next question.

927
00:32:09,166 --> 00:32:11,625
 But the order of operation stuff.

928
00:32:12,250 --> 00:32:14,041
 Yeah, but yeah, to start off with, can

929
00:32:14,041 --> 00:32:15,833
 you just run us through what this system

930
00:32:15,833 --> 00:32:17,208
 is, starting with the

931
00:32:17,208 --> 00:32:18,541
 flush and going from there?

932
00:32:18,541 --> 00:32:22,125
 Yeah, so my so what I realized is, again,

933
00:32:22,125 --> 00:32:23,333
 when I worked with all these different

934
00:32:23,333 --> 00:32:25,458
 doctors all over consulting sitting in on

935
00:32:25,458 --> 00:32:26,083
 their cases, you

936
00:32:26,083 --> 00:32:27,458
 know, I probably saw over

937
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:31,375
 I don't know, 30,000 cases even before I

938
00:32:31,375 --> 00:32:32,625
 opened up my own system.

939
00:32:32,625 --> 00:32:34,333
 And then remember, before that, I already

940
00:32:34,333 --> 00:32:36,541
 know fundamental nutrition, I had already

941
00:32:36,541 --> 00:32:37,416
 worked supplementation or

942
00:32:37,416 --> 00:32:38,375
 done a lot of these things.

943
00:32:38,375 --> 00:32:40,458
 And I was looking at how doctors would

944
00:32:40,458 --> 00:32:42,500
 work different processes and where they

945
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,375
 would start and then where would they end

946
00:32:44,375 --> 00:32:45,708
 and then what was the success rate.

947
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:49,708
 And I was particularly disturbed by the

948
00:32:49,708 --> 00:32:51,833
 success rate of the modern doctor, which

949
00:32:51,833 --> 00:32:52,875
 is why you don't see

950
00:32:52,875 --> 00:32:54,541
 doctors posting success stories.

951
00:32:54,958 --> 00:32:56,833
 It's why I all I do is post success

952
00:32:56,833 --> 00:32:59,375
 stories, because I'm like, show me your

953
00:32:59,375 --> 00:33:00,958
 work, not your license.

954
00:33:02,375 --> 00:33:03,500
 Show me your outcomes.

955
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:06,583
 Because the problem is the African West,

956
00:33:06,583 --> 00:33:08,250
 the average Western medicine doctor is

957
00:33:08,250 --> 00:33:10,000
 40% successful with a

958
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,458
 probably a 20 to 70 60% relapse rate.

959
00:33:13,458 --> 00:33:15,500
 It's not great, right?

960
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:17,166
 Your statistical probability of solving

961
00:33:17,166 --> 00:33:18,583
 something outside of just like a, an

962
00:33:18,583 --> 00:33:21,708
 infection with the antibiotic is if it's

963
00:33:21,708 --> 00:33:23,833
 beyond that, you know, if it's not acute,

964
00:33:24,791 --> 00:33:26,541
 it starts to go dramatically down.

965
00:33:27,041 --> 00:33:28,750
 Anything chronic starts to become people

966
00:33:28,750 --> 00:33:29,625
 don't realize when they go in the

967
00:33:29,625 --> 00:33:31,541
 doctor's office, like your, your

968
00:33:31,541 --> 00:33:33,833
 statistical probability of solving that's

969
00:33:33,833 --> 00:33:35,750
 lower than you'd probably be comfortable

970
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:38,125
 with, you know, not that I get I don't

971
00:33:38,125 --> 00:33:39,875
 love great doctors, this always sounds

972
00:33:39,875 --> 00:33:42,708
 like I'm, I love my doctors and they have

973
00:33:42,708 --> 00:33:43,833
 great hearts and souls out there.

974
00:33:43,875 --> 00:33:45,000
 So please, I just

975
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,875
 understand where I'm coming from.

976
00:33:47,625 --> 00:33:49,041
 So just the for F

977
00:33:49,041 --> 00:33:50,583
 process is as simple as this.

978
00:33:51,125 --> 00:33:52,208
 And in that there's

979
00:33:52,208 --> 00:33:53,583
 11 systems of the body.

980
00:33:53,583 --> 00:33:55,750
 And I learned that if you stimulate, it's

981
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:56,833
 an order of stimulation.

982
00:33:57,375 --> 00:34:00,041
 So if I stimulate one set of systems, and

983
00:34:00,041 --> 00:34:01,583
 then I stimulate another, and then I

984
00:34:01,583 --> 00:34:03,791
 stimulate another, they'll get they'll

985
00:34:03,791 --> 00:34:04,791
 fall back into alignment.

986
00:34:04,791 --> 00:34:06,791
 And then all of a sudden outcomes start

987
00:34:06,791 --> 00:34:08,291
 happening, the body starts working with

988
00:34:08,291 --> 00:34:09,541
 me instead of against me.

989
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:13,166
 And it really, it actually all kind of

990
00:34:13,166 --> 00:34:13,750
 comes down to the

991
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:15,916
 immune system in reality.

992
00:34:16,166 --> 00:34:18,500
 And we'll kind of describe this in a

993
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:20,458
 minute, which the immune system actually

994
00:34:20,458 --> 00:34:22,291
 doesn't isn't in one, it's not one

995
00:34:22,291 --> 00:34:24,166
 system, it's in every system, really.

996
00:34:24,458 --> 00:34:27,166
 And so I didn't know I didn't know this

997
00:34:27,166 --> 00:34:28,708
 when I started working this at the time.

998
00:34:28,708 --> 00:34:31,500
 But what I understood was like, let's

999
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:33,916
 take a let's take a

1000
00:34:33,916 --> 00:34:35,000
 condition any condition.

1001
00:34:35,375 --> 00:34:38,583
 So let's start with Hashimoto's.

1002
00:34:38,583 --> 00:34:40,333
 Well, Hashimoto's is a great one, right?

1003
00:34:41,083 --> 00:34:43,750
 So Hashimoto's, again, if you are if you

1004
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:46,833
 follow my logic, any diagnosis that you

1005
00:34:46,833 --> 00:34:49,000
 ever hear is never the root cause.

1006
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,875
 So don't assume it's the root cause start

1007
00:34:50,875 --> 00:34:51,833
 there that helps you.

1008
00:34:52,041 --> 00:34:53,666
 Because it's like, people get names

1009
00:34:53,666 --> 00:34:55,416
 because they want to know the name to

1010
00:34:55,416 --> 00:34:57,166
 what's the thing I need to attack.

1011
00:34:57,166 --> 00:34:59,083
 And so they get a word like Hashimoto's.

1012
00:34:59,083 --> 00:35:00,958
 And you're like, Oh, the root cause of

1013
00:35:00,958 --> 00:35:02,166
 Hashimoto's is Hashimoto's.

1014
00:35:02,166 --> 00:35:04,666
 Like, no, no, that's actually a

1015
00:35:05,208 --> 00:35:07,041
 comorbidity that we've

1016
00:35:07,041 --> 00:35:09,625
 identified that we can give a name to.

1017
00:35:10,083 --> 00:35:11,375
 Okay, there has to be

1018
00:35:11,375 --> 00:35:12,708
 something that predated that.

1019
00:35:13,166 --> 00:35:14,625
 And that's where same thing, cardio

1020
00:35:14,625 --> 00:35:16,583
 metabolic disorders like high blood

1021
00:35:16,583 --> 00:35:18,166
 pressure, majority of high blood

1022
00:35:18,166 --> 00:35:21,000
 pressures is metabolic syndrome, right?

1023
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,625
 One in one in two people in the United

1024
00:35:22,625 --> 00:35:24,750
 States now have high blood pressure.

1025
00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:27,333
 And majority of them have metabolic

1026
00:35:27,333 --> 00:35:29,041
 syndrome, and only 30% of those people

1027
00:35:29,041 --> 00:35:30,500
 are diagnosed with the root, but

1028
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:33,916
 everybody knows the secondary morbidity,

1029
00:35:33,916 --> 00:35:36,625
 you see, this is why the when we talk

1030
00:35:36,625 --> 00:35:38,291
 about root cause, that's what we mean.

1031
00:35:38,625 --> 00:35:39,791
 Okay, right.

1032
00:35:39,791 --> 00:35:41,791
 So I know that there's a level of

1033
00:35:41,791 --> 00:35:45,166
 cellular inflammation that has somehow

1034
00:35:45,166 --> 00:35:47,250
 imbalanced the immune system in one way

1035
00:35:47,250 --> 00:35:49,666
 or another, that it's being triggered,

1036
00:35:49,666 --> 00:35:51,916
 and then it stressed the thyroid out the

1037
00:35:51,916 --> 00:35:54,291
 thyroid's response starts to be

1038
00:35:54,291 --> 00:35:57,291
 overactivity under the duress, and then

1039
00:35:57,291 --> 00:35:58,875
 the immune system turns and starts

1040
00:35:58,875 --> 00:36:01,000
 looking at it to slow it down oftentimes,

1041
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:04,916
 starts throwing out TPO at it, and then

1042
00:36:04,916 --> 00:36:06,250
 just slowing down for

1043
00:36:06,250 --> 00:36:08,916
 the for the audience that big.

1044
00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:09,583
 Yeah, sorry.

1045
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:10,166
 Yes, I know.

1046
00:36:10,416 --> 00:36:10,625
 Yes.

1047
00:36:10,750 --> 00:36:10,791
 So

1048
00:36:11,958 --> 00:36:14,458
 thyroid peroxidase is an antibody that

1049
00:36:14,458 --> 00:36:16,875
 essentially is is one of the ways your

1050
00:36:16,875 --> 00:36:18,083
 body has an antibody to

1051
00:36:18,083 --> 00:36:19,833
 about every organ in the body.

1052
00:36:19,833 --> 00:36:21,000
 And it does that to help

1053
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,166
 clean up tissues as a governor.

1054
00:36:25,958 --> 00:36:28,208
 So your immune system has a regulatory

1055
00:36:28,208 --> 00:36:30,333
 purpose to every system of your body.

1056
00:36:30,958 --> 00:36:32,000
 And it doesn't want to

1057
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,416
 step in unless it has to.

1058
00:36:34,333 --> 00:36:35,541
 And and so that'll happen.

1059
00:36:35,791 --> 00:36:37,166
 And so whether it's due to

1060
00:36:37,166 --> 00:36:39,208
 heavy metal exposure, virus,

1061
00:36:40,541 --> 00:36:42,083
 the, you know, something can get inside

1062
00:36:42,083 --> 00:36:44,583
 of your body and then create inflammation

1063
00:36:44,583 --> 00:36:46,583
 in the thyroid or wherever, and then the

1064
00:36:46,583 --> 00:36:48,333
 immune system can go check it out.

1065
00:36:48,625 --> 00:36:50,791
 And it's overactivity in that area can

1066
00:36:50,791 --> 00:36:52,125
 lead to autoimmunity, right.

1067
00:36:52,541 --> 00:36:54,041
 And there's many ways we could talk about

1068
00:36:54,041 --> 00:36:55,666
 why that happens, that could be a whole

1069
00:36:55,666 --> 00:36:57,041
 other podcast for another day.

1070
00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:58,541
 Let's keep it really simple.

1071
00:36:59,708 --> 00:37:02,125
 Okay, so once that happens, and it

1072
00:37:02,125 --> 00:37:04,500
 happens in people, and then sits there

1073
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:05,916
 for five years, that's the other thing

1074
00:37:05,916 --> 00:37:07,541
 you have to assume, it's like by the time

1075
00:37:07,541 --> 00:37:10,291
 you recognize you have the problem, it's

1076
00:37:10,291 --> 00:37:11,916
 already been going on for five years.

1077
00:37:11,916 --> 00:37:13,166
 And that's pretty true of almost any

1078
00:37:13,166 --> 00:37:16,208
 condition, diabetes, autoimmunity, you

1079
00:37:16,208 --> 00:37:18,625
 name it, it's gone on for a long time.

1080
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:22,416
 So inside the body, once inflammation

1081
00:37:22,416 --> 00:37:25,916
 rises, by definition, because of energy

1082
00:37:25,916 --> 00:37:27,625
 conservation, where your body's using

1083
00:37:27,625 --> 00:37:30,166
 energy, your nervous system starting to

1084
00:37:30,166 --> 00:37:31,625
 get dysregulated, because it's telling

1085
00:37:31,625 --> 00:37:32,625
 you something's wrong.

1086
00:37:33,583 --> 00:37:34,750
 It's trying to, it's trying to

1087
00:37:34,750 --> 00:37:36,625
 communicate with you, which is why you

1088
00:37:36,625 --> 00:37:39,125
 don't feel, you feel unsettled, you can't

1089
00:37:39,125 --> 00:37:40,875
 calm down, you're having intrusive

1090
00:37:40,875 --> 00:37:43,125
 thoughts, whatever comes for you, sleep

1091
00:37:43,125 --> 00:37:44,250
 imbalances or whatever.

1092
00:37:45,125 --> 00:37:48,833
 And what happens is, as energy starts

1093
00:37:48,833 --> 00:37:52,958
 going to cell danger response to the

1094
00:37:52,958 --> 00:37:54,791
 immune system, especially the adaptive

1095
00:37:54,791 --> 00:37:56,666
 immune system, T and B cell lymphocytes,

1096
00:37:56,916 --> 00:37:59,041
 it's very expensive, right?

1097
00:37:59,041 --> 00:38:00,375
 It's like, if I'm going to go run that

1098
00:38:00,375 --> 00:38:03,083
 Porsche at 100 miles an hour, I'm going

1099
00:38:03,083 --> 00:38:04,291
 to spend a lot of money in gas.

1100
00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:09,291
 So you your ATP, then goes to protection,

1101
00:38:10,166 --> 00:38:13,541
 and not to cellular function and energy

1102
00:38:13,541 --> 00:38:16,000
 and muscle and, and your brain for

1103
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,291
 thinking it goes into your immune system.

1104
00:38:18,958 --> 00:38:22,041
 So that's why almost every time Rob, the

1105
00:38:22,041 --> 00:38:24,208
 number one symptom of all

1106
00:38:24,250 --> 00:38:26,083
 time is fatigue and brain fog.

1107
00:38:27,583 --> 00:38:27,791
 Right?

1108
00:38:28,333 --> 00:38:30,458
 And everyone goes, Do you have brain fog?

1109
00:38:30,458 --> 00:38:31,541
 You must have Lyme disease.

1110
00:38:31,541 --> 00:38:32,416
 Do you have brain fog?

1111
00:38:32,416 --> 00:38:33,416
 You must have IBS.

1112
00:38:33,416 --> 00:38:34,291
 And it's like, no, no, no.

1113
00:38:34,875 --> 00:38:37,458
 If you have brain fog, you have an

1114
00:38:37,458 --> 00:38:39,333
 overact your immune system stealing your

1115
00:38:39,333 --> 00:38:40,500
 energy that every single

1116
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:42,166
 time we don't know why.

1117
00:38:43,083 --> 00:38:43,708
 That's what the exact

1118
00:38:43,708 --> 00:38:45,083
 investigative process for.

1119
00:38:45,916 --> 00:38:48,000
 But your immune system is overactive, and

1120
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:48,708
 it's dealing your energy

1121
00:38:48,708 --> 00:38:51,791
 almost almost 90% of the time.

1122
00:38:51,791 --> 00:38:52,375
 That's what it is.

1123
00:38:52,375 --> 00:38:53,750
 I mean, you can have cancers and stuff,

1124
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:54,333
 but your immune

1125
00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:55,416
 system is involved in that.

1126
00:38:55,625 --> 00:38:57,916
 So either way, brain fog, we know of

1127
00:38:57,916 --> 00:38:59,250
 upregulated immune response,

1128
00:38:59,250 --> 00:39:00,458
 and we want to discover why.

1129
00:39:00,708 --> 00:39:02,958
 Well, what I don't want to do, Rob is run

1130
00:39:02,958 --> 00:39:05,125
 a million tests, and then try to guess

1131
00:39:05,125 --> 00:39:06,416
 why the immune system is

1132
00:39:06,416 --> 00:39:07,708
 overactive or whatever.

1133
00:39:07,708 --> 00:39:09,541
 I don't want to do that because every

1134
00:39:09,541 --> 00:39:10,333
 time that you do that,

1135
00:39:10,333 --> 00:39:11,791
 you always miss something.

1136
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,666
 You always miss something in the process.

1137
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:17,500
 It's like growing a great garden.

1138
00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:21,500
 Like, you need to follow a process, then

1139
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:23,541
 you might change some of the things you

1140
00:39:23,541 --> 00:39:24,833
 do based on where you live in the United

1141
00:39:24,833 --> 00:39:25,541
 States and whatever.

1142
00:39:25,791 --> 00:39:27,333
 But if you skip parts in the process,

1143
00:39:27,541 --> 00:39:29,416
 you're going to have a crappy garden.

1144
00:39:30,208 --> 00:39:30,416
 Right?

1145
00:39:30,666 --> 00:39:32,000
 So if it's like, Oh, I care about

1146
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,666
 tomatoes, and I'm not thinking about the

1147
00:39:33,875 --> 00:39:35,000
 soil, and I'm not thinking about

1148
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,333
 everything else, I'm going to miss

1149
00:39:36,333 --> 00:39:38,041
 something, and I'm not going to get a

1150
00:39:38,041 --> 00:39:39,208
 great garden, or I'm not going to get a

1151
00:39:39,208 --> 00:39:41,541
 great yard, and that's an ecosystem.

1152
00:39:42,375 --> 00:39:43,875
 So I don't skip steps.

1153
00:39:43,875 --> 00:39:45,583
 I stay in the deductive process.

1154
00:39:46,291 --> 00:39:48,541
 I'll adjust based on their

1155
00:39:48,541 --> 00:39:50,458
 program, but I follow the steps.

1156
00:39:50,458 --> 00:39:52,583
 And when I do that, we did 7,000 cases,

1157
00:39:52,958 --> 00:39:53,875
 Rob, and now we've

1158
00:39:53,875 --> 00:39:55,666
 done over 70,000 people.

1159
00:39:57,541 --> 00:39:58,833
 Even without labs, we have

1160
00:39:58,833 --> 00:40:00,208
 over an 88% success rate.

1161
00:40:00,208 --> 00:40:02,416
 With labs, we have a 95% success rate.

1162
00:40:02,458 --> 00:40:04,708
 So labs do enhance your clinical

1163
00:40:04,708 --> 00:40:08,041
 effectiveness, but they shouldn't dictate

1164
00:40:08,041 --> 00:40:09,125
 everything that you do.

1165
00:40:09,125 --> 00:40:10,541
 You're going to get lost in the process.

1166
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:11,208
 Okay?

1167
00:40:11,625 --> 00:40:13,958
 So I start with coming in.

1168
00:40:14,375 --> 00:40:15,708
 I know that the immune

1169
00:40:15,791 --> 00:40:17,500
 system is overactive.

1170
00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:19,083
 Cells are dividing fast.

1171
00:40:19,333 --> 00:40:20,708
 Mitochondria are starting to die.

1172
00:40:21,208 --> 00:40:22,541
 Inflammation's rising.

1173
00:40:22,541 --> 00:40:23,000
 It doesn't matter.

1174
00:40:23,333 --> 00:40:23,958
 Chronic conditions,

1175
00:40:23,958 --> 00:40:24,750
 this is always happening.

1176
00:40:25,333 --> 00:40:27,291
 So I need to open the lymphatic system.

1177
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:29,291
 I need to stimulate the endocrine system,

1178
00:40:29,291 --> 00:40:31,125
 like the adrenals and the thyroid, to

1179
00:40:31,125 --> 00:40:32,375
 help cellular activity.

1180
00:40:32,583 --> 00:40:33,375
 This being the flush.

1181
00:40:34,291 --> 00:40:35,125
 Yes, it's called the flush.

1182
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,458
 I have to open the system up, because

1183
00:40:38,458 --> 00:40:40,458
 when the immune system's really active,

1184
00:40:41,291 --> 00:40:42,583
 everything else slows down.

1185
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,625
 Metabolism tends to slow down.

1186
00:40:44,875 --> 00:40:46,458
 Fat metabolism tends to slow down.

1187
00:40:48,208 --> 00:40:50,000
 So shorten this up.

1188
00:40:50,375 --> 00:40:51,500
 Stimulate, so every

1189
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:53,208
 cell jostles, basically.

1190
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:54,458
 It's cellular activity.

1191
00:40:54,458 --> 00:40:55,708
 I'm trying to keep it very simple here.

1192
00:40:56,458 --> 00:40:57,958
 That jostling has everything to do with

1193
00:40:57,958 --> 00:40:58,750
 the endocrine system

1194
00:40:58,750 --> 00:40:59,750
 and the nervous system.

1195
00:41:00,458 --> 00:41:00,583
 Okay?

1196
00:41:01,041 --> 00:41:03,708
 So you need to create cellular activity

1197
00:41:03,708 --> 00:41:06,666
 in order for it to remove waste and

1198
00:41:06,666 --> 00:41:09,166
 perform cellular functions.

1199
00:41:09,708 --> 00:41:14,500
 So when your body gets inflamed,

1200
00:41:14,833 --> 00:41:17,125
 remember, most cell functions have

1201
00:41:17,125 --> 00:41:18,416
 reduced a little bit to

1202
00:41:18,416 --> 00:41:19,500
 run the immune system.

1203
00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:23,083
 So I've got to stimulate the endocrine,

1204
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:25,708
 the nervous system, the lymphatic system,

1205
00:41:25,708 --> 00:41:26,875
 and basically the liver.

1206
00:41:26,875 --> 00:41:27,833
 That's what I've got to do first.

1207
00:41:28,750 --> 00:41:30,958
 I've got to open the body up and prepare

1208
00:41:30,958 --> 00:41:31,875
 for me to get rid of

1209
00:41:31,875 --> 00:41:32,875
 things out of the body.

1210
00:41:33,708 --> 00:41:35,416
 Maybe there's blocks in your hormones,

1211
00:41:35,666 --> 00:41:36,333
 blocks in cellular

1212
00:41:36,333 --> 00:41:37,500
 metabolism of something.

1213
00:41:38,208 --> 00:41:39,416
 All disease is metabolic.

1214
00:41:41,250 --> 00:41:43,625
 So if I work the metabolic pathway and I

1215
00:41:43,625 --> 00:41:45,250
 open it up and I make it pristine and I

1216
00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:47,291
 get rid of all the traffic, the chance of

1217
00:41:47,291 --> 00:41:49,625
 you getting better from whatever you have

1218
00:41:49,916 --> 00:41:53,500
 is not like it's highly probable, right?

1219
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:55,208
 It's statistically predictable with the

1220
00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:56,250
 numbers that we have now.

1221
00:41:56,666 --> 00:41:57,750
 So I start there.

1222
00:41:58,041 --> 00:41:59,666
 Then I moved to the immune

1223
00:41:59,666 --> 00:42:00,916
 system, which is in the gut.

1224
00:42:00,916 --> 00:42:02,125
 So I'm working the gut and the immune

1225
00:42:02,125 --> 00:42:04,958
 system next phase two, and that gets rid

1226
00:42:04,958 --> 00:42:07,416
 of most global cellular inflammation.

1227
00:42:08,833 --> 00:42:10,916
 Then we have to help the body reset.

1228
00:42:11,375 --> 00:42:13,583
 It's been on mTOR when you're inflamed,

1229
00:42:13,583 --> 00:42:14,500
 you're always an mTOR,

1230
00:42:15,291 --> 00:42:16,500
 which is sugar burning.

1231
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:19,000
 And now I have to get into this.

1232
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,583
 I got to get rid of damaged cells and I

1233
00:42:21,583 --> 00:42:23,416
 got to get into the mitochondria of cells

1234
00:42:23,416 --> 00:42:24,416
 to help fix the cell.

1235
00:42:25,125 --> 00:42:27,041
 And get it moving into AMPK.

1236
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:30,250
 What people don't understand is based on

1237
00:42:30,250 --> 00:42:31,916
 what your cell will tell

1238
00:42:31,916 --> 00:42:33,291
 your immune system how to work.

1239
00:42:33,833 --> 00:42:36,166
 If I'm in mTOR, I'm in

1240
00:42:36,166 --> 00:42:37,416
 phase one immune function.

1241
00:42:37,791 --> 00:42:40,125
 If I'm in AMPK, I'm in

1242
00:42:40,125 --> 00:42:41,333
 phase two immune function.

1243
00:42:41,708 --> 00:42:43,250
 And what all people need to know about

1244
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:45,625
 that is phase two immune function is how

1245
00:42:45,625 --> 00:42:48,083
 when you were 16 years old, you could

1246
00:42:48,083 --> 00:42:49,916
 fall off a building and drink poison and

1247
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,166
 feel great the next day.

1248
00:42:51,708 --> 00:42:51,916
 Okay.

1249
00:42:52,041 --> 00:42:53,791
 And now today as you're older, you'll

1250
00:42:53,791 --> 00:42:55,208
 start noticing your blood sugars on

1251
00:42:55,208 --> 00:42:56,625
 average creep up even if they're in

1252
00:42:56,625 --> 00:42:58,625
 range, you start creeping up because

1253
00:42:58,625 --> 00:43:00,833
 you're spending more time in an mTOR.

1254
00:43:01,416 --> 00:43:04,000
 And the problem with that is now, if I

1255
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:04,916
 don't sleep eight hours,

1256
00:43:04,916 --> 00:43:05,916
 I feel like I'm hungover.

1257
00:43:06,291 --> 00:43:07,416
 Right.

1258
00:43:07,916 --> 00:43:10,083
 And so I need to get your

1259
00:43:10,083 --> 00:43:11,791
 body to spend more time in AMPK.

1260
00:43:12,083 --> 00:43:13,916
 And what are ways to achieve that?

1261
00:43:14,333 --> 00:43:17,500
 Well, keto, carnivore, fasting,

1262
00:43:17,916 --> 00:43:19,458
 intermittent fasting, activity.

1263
00:43:20,583 --> 00:43:22,958
 And then there's tools, autophagy, like

1264
00:43:22,958 --> 00:43:25,083
 tools, peptides, all that stuff that

1265
00:43:25,083 --> 00:43:26,333
 assist the body in

1266
00:43:26,333 --> 00:43:27,125
 getting into autophagy.

1267
00:43:27,625 --> 00:43:30,125
 Now the body can get rid of cells that

1268
00:43:30,125 --> 00:43:31,750
 don't have enough mitochondria in them

1269
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:33,000
 that aren't working very well.

1270
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,750
 We got to get these senescent cells out.

1271
00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:36,000
 It's a conversation for another day.

1272
00:43:36,666 --> 00:43:38,500
 Once we start removing these, and this is

1273
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:41,125
 what I believe why, like let's say you

1274
00:43:41,125 --> 00:43:42,916
 get an Epstein-Barr virus, somehow it

1275
00:43:42,916 --> 00:43:43,916
 attacks the thyroid.

1276
00:43:43,916 --> 00:43:46,458
 So TPO goes up, you have senescent cells

1277
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:47,500
 around your thyroid.

1278
00:43:47,791 --> 00:43:50,500
 I want to get rid of those cells, you can

1279
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:52,416
 fast them out with autophagy.

1280
00:43:53,083 --> 00:43:55,125
 So phase three is the cell.

1281
00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:57,333
 I got to fix the cell to get well.

1282
00:43:58,041 --> 00:44:00,541
 And then I need to then after that phase,

1283
00:44:00,541 --> 00:44:01,791
 I got to balance out insulin

1284
00:44:01,791 --> 00:44:03,958
 and leptin and all of that.

1285
00:44:03,958 --> 00:44:06,416
 And then I move into the hormone phase

1286
00:44:06,416 --> 00:44:07,833
 because the thing that keeps everything

1287
00:44:07,833 --> 00:44:09,333
 kind of stable, really strong,

1288
00:44:09,583 --> 00:44:11,958
 homeostasis, is your sex hormones.

1289
00:44:12,583 --> 00:44:14,958
 So then I balance out the sex hormones is

1290
00:44:14,958 --> 00:44:16,083
 the last part of it to keep

1291
00:44:16,083 --> 00:44:17,416
 you really stable and vital.

1292
00:44:19,125 --> 00:44:21,166
 And then make sure that your body

1293
00:44:21,166 --> 00:44:23,041
 performs in the

1294
00:44:23,041 --> 00:44:26,333
 environment that you need to be in.

1295
00:44:26,333 --> 00:44:28,875
 Meaning that the function phase is what

1296
00:44:28,875 --> 00:44:31,000
 do I need to get you functioning for?

1297
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:32,250
 Are you an athlete?

1298
00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:32,750
 Are you someone who

1299
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:33,916
 needs to work a lot of hours?

1300
00:44:34,416 --> 00:44:37,125
 Are you someone who's a mom that needs to

1301
00:44:37,125 --> 00:44:38,291
 function for three kids?

1302
00:44:38,833 --> 00:44:42,208
 Are you somebody who's an engineer who

1303
00:44:42,208 --> 00:44:43,833
 needs their brain power all the time?

1304
00:44:44,416 --> 00:44:47,250
 I want to optimize your diet, training,

1305
00:44:47,916 --> 00:44:50,250
 supplements, even genetics, do genetics

1306
00:44:50,250 --> 00:44:53,125
 testing to be optimal for that function

1307
00:44:53,125 --> 00:44:57,000
 so that you can sustain that level of

1308
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,375
 stress without

1309
00:44:58,375 --> 00:45:00,416
 breaking the system back down.

1310
00:45:00,416 --> 00:45:03,083
 Because resiliency is more

1311
00:45:03,083 --> 00:45:04,875
 important than asymptomatology.

1312
00:45:04,875 --> 00:45:07,333
 You've got to get to resiliency in order

1313
00:45:07,333 --> 00:45:08,416
 for people to thrive.

1314
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:12,625
 And so through that 4F process, they're

1315
00:45:12,625 --> 00:45:14,291
 studying my diets right now at the

1316
00:45:14,291 --> 00:45:15,500
 University of South Florida.

1317
00:45:16,583 --> 00:45:18,958
 And I'm telling you guys right now, we

1318
00:45:18,958 --> 00:45:20,666
 will see that the data that comes out of

1319
00:45:20,666 --> 00:45:22,833
 this is going to rock the nutrition and

1320
00:45:22,833 --> 00:45:23,791
 functional medicine world

1321
00:45:23,791 --> 00:45:26,000
 because we have figured it out.

1322
00:45:26,208 --> 00:45:27,666
 And it's not about one thing.

1323
00:45:28,083 --> 00:45:30,583
 It's about a process that creates pattern

1324
00:45:30,583 --> 00:45:32,791
 recognition that then holds your hand and

1325
00:45:32,791 --> 00:45:34,833
 mentally coaches you through it in order

1326
00:45:34,833 --> 00:45:37,333
 to achieve some level of freedom.

1327
00:45:38,208 --> 00:45:40,291
 And that's what we do.

1328
00:45:40,750 --> 00:45:41,541
 And now I'm just ready for

1329
00:45:41,541 --> 00:45:43,083
 the world to find out, man.

1330
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,083
 Vince, you have created

1331
00:45:46,083 --> 00:45:47,125
 an incredible framework.

1332
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:48,625
 And I can just attest to

1333
00:45:48,625 --> 00:45:50,875
 this being an effective model.

1334
00:45:51,583 --> 00:45:56,250
 Now, I know most coaches could likely

1335
00:45:56,250 --> 00:45:57,500
 take a client through

1336
00:45:57,708 --> 00:45:58,916
 what you've created.

1337
00:45:58,916 --> 00:46:00,041
 And they can probably

1338
00:46:00,041 --> 00:46:01,500
 get some level of results.

1339
00:46:02,541 --> 00:46:05,166
 But to be honest, that's not necessarily

1340
00:46:05,166 --> 00:46:06,750
 what makes a good health

1341
00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:07,875
 coach a good health coach.

1342
00:46:08,083 --> 00:46:08,708
 It's something you've

1343
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:09,708
 mentioned earlier again.

1344
00:46:10,291 --> 00:46:11,750
 It's an order of operations things.

1345
00:46:12,250 --> 00:46:14,791
 Really knowing when, I suppose you think

1346
00:46:14,791 --> 00:46:16,458
 about it, which sort of

1347
00:46:16,458 --> 00:46:18,500
 phase to plug in at which time.

1348
00:46:18,833 --> 00:46:19,750
 Because you can work

1349
00:46:19,791 --> 00:46:21,083
 someone through a process.

1350
00:46:21,375 --> 00:46:22,833
 But if you don't have an intrinsic

1351
00:46:22,833 --> 00:46:25,333
 understanding of maybe the biology, the

1352
00:46:25,333 --> 00:46:27,041
 physiology, and how the process works,

1353
00:46:27,375 --> 00:46:30,500
 then you don't know when to progress

1354
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:32,583
 somebody, when to progress somebody, when

1355
00:46:32,583 --> 00:46:34,250
 to sort of take somebody,

1356
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:35,833
 yeah, backwards or forwards.

1357
00:46:36,583 --> 00:46:37,583
 I'd love to get your

1358
00:46:37,583 --> 00:46:39,250
 thoughts on this, though.

1359
00:46:39,458 --> 00:46:41,666
 How do you progress somebody who is maybe

1360
00:46:41,666 --> 00:46:43,458
 struggling and maybe not getting the

1361
00:46:43,458 --> 00:46:44,250
 results that they are

1362
00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:45,500
 after the first time round?

1363
00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:46,958
 Do you sort of take them

1364
00:46:46,958 --> 00:46:47,958
 straight back to the beginning?

1365
00:46:48,333 --> 00:46:49,250
 Or is there a,

1366
00:46:50,291 --> 00:46:52,458
 what are your thoughts there in terms of?

1367
00:46:52,458 --> 00:46:55,250
 Yeah, so the reason that I have the four

1368
00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:58,875
 step process embedded in there, Rob, is

1369
00:46:58,875 --> 00:47:01,750
 about 16 variables that we check off.

1370
00:47:02,541 --> 00:47:04,291
 And that's something that we train in the

1371
00:47:04,291 --> 00:47:06,583
 back end of like, if somebody comes in,

1372
00:47:06,833 --> 00:47:08,541
 first off, our job, if somebody comes in

1373
00:47:08,541 --> 00:47:11,541
 and says they feel some type of way, our

1374
00:47:11,541 --> 00:47:12,833
 first job is to believe them.

1375
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:15,541
 So we're going to go so hard at what you

1376
00:47:15,541 --> 00:47:16,916
 believe to help you out.

1377
00:47:17,375 --> 00:47:18,541
 And if we get all the way to the end of

1378
00:47:18,541 --> 00:47:21,541
 the road, and we've checked off the 16

1379
00:47:21,541 --> 00:47:23,666
 most likely reasons that are all involved

1380
00:47:23,666 --> 00:47:26,458
 in the process, and if that doesn't work,

1381
00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:28,208
 there's only a couple left over.

1382
00:47:28,625 --> 00:47:29,791
 And so we know where to go.

1383
00:47:30,083 --> 00:47:30,666
 See, that's why

1384
00:47:30,666 --> 00:47:32,000
 deduction is so important.

1385
00:47:32,708 --> 00:47:35,666
 If I skip steps, and I'm doing whatever,

1386
00:47:35,958 --> 00:47:37,875
 or I do one treatment, if

1387
00:47:37,875 --> 00:47:39,791
 it doesn't work, then what?

1388
00:47:40,833 --> 00:47:41,333
 Right?

1389
00:47:41,333 --> 00:47:42,541
 And that's where most

1390
00:47:42,541 --> 00:47:43,500
 people find themselves.

1391
00:47:44,125 --> 00:47:44,625
 Then what?

1392
00:47:45,375 --> 00:47:47,583
 In our program, then we've got a couple

1393
00:47:47,583 --> 00:47:50,541
 things left over where we go, okay, we

1394
00:47:50,541 --> 00:47:52,458
 know that this is either deeper genetic,

1395
00:47:52,875 --> 00:47:53,666
 and we're missing a

1396
00:47:53,666 --> 00:47:55,583
 mutation that is throwing us off.

1397
00:47:56,416 --> 00:47:56,833
 Right?

1398
00:47:57,416 --> 00:48:00,458
 Or we didn't get, we did not go deep into

1399
00:48:00,458 --> 00:48:02,291
 the cell enough, we need we need there's

1400
00:48:02,291 --> 00:48:04,250
 more cells and the body needs more time.

1401
00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:08,333
 There's only about two or three things

1402
00:48:08,333 --> 00:48:11,166
 left over that we know that we need to go

1403
00:48:11,166 --> 00:48:13,250
 in harder and spend more time with.

1404
00:48:14,166 --> 00:48:17,166
 And so sometimes we'll real quick run

1405
00:48:17,166 --> 00:48:18,541
 through the fore half just to open it

1406
00:48:18,541 --> 00:48:19,708
 back up and make sure it's where

1407
00:48:19,708 --> 00:48:22,333
 sometimes it helps to kind of like flush

1408
00:48:22,333 --> 00:48:24,000
 the system back out for a second, make

1409
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,291
 sure you've checked your balances, but

1410
00:48:25,291 --> 00:48:26,500
 you get through it really quickly.

1411
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:28,916
 And then we'll go to emphasize on the

1412
00:48:28,916 --> 00:48:32,000
 area that we got stuck in the most.

1413
00:48:33,041 --> 00:48:35,041
 And, and then we'll know how to go

1414
00:48:35,041 --> 00:48:36,666
 deeper, like, because how do you know

1415
00:48:36,666 --> 00:48:37,166
 where to really

1416
00:48:37,166 --> 00:48:38,333
 double down an investment?

1417
00:48:39,375 --> 00:48:40,958
 Otherwise, you're just throwing shit at

1418
00:48:40,958 --> 00:48:43,083
 the wall hoping it sticks, excuse my

1419
00:48:43,083 --> 00:48:45,333
 language, but it's kind of what happens.

1420
00:48:46,333 --> 00:48:48,166
 And so that's one of the reasons I feel

1421
00:48:48,166 --> 00:48:49,208
 so confidently like,

1422
00:48:50,333 --> 00:48:51,500
 like, let me give an example,

1423
00:48:51,958 --> 00:48:53,666
 Rob, breast implant illness.

1424
00:48:53,708 --> 00:48:57,083
 What is breast implant illness, right?

1425
00:48:57,583 --> 00:48:59,333
 We can argue a lot of things, but

1426
00:48:59,333 --> 00:49:01,166
 fundamentally what it is, is an

1427
00:49:01,166 --> 00:49:03,416
 autoimmune reaction to the implant.

1428
00:49:04,375 --> 00:49:05,083
 Okay, fundamentally.

1429
00:49:05,791 --> 00:49:07,583
 Now you can't have leakage, you can have

1430
00:49:07,583 --> 00:49:08,083
 all these different

1431
00:49:08,083 --> 00:49:09,291
 things, and that can be true.

1432
00:49:10,041 --> 00:49:10,250
 Right.

1433
00:49:11,458 --> 00:49:14,500
 But did you know, I've worked now 2000

1434
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:18,458
 cases of BII or supposed BII.

1435
00:49:20,125 --> 00:49:23,333
 And did you know that less than 10% of

1436
00:49:23,333 --> 00:49:24,958
 them was actually the implant?

1437
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:28,000
 It was the immune system reacting to all

1438
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:28,666
 kinds of other things

1439
00:49:28,666 --> 00:49:29,583
 going on in the body.

1440
00:49:30,375 --> 00:49:32,083
 Once we got rid of that stuff, the body

1441
00:49:32,083 --> 00:49:33,625
 didn't react to the implant anymore.

1442
00:49:33,958 --> 00:49:34,833
 Yeah, that was just the trigger.

1443
00:49:35,166 --> 00:49:36,541
 The needle there broke the camel's back.

1444
00:49:36,916 --> 00:49:37,125
 Right.

1445
00:49:37,333 --> 00:49:39,166
 Think of the same logic here.

1446
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:40,500
 Hashimoto's, do we

1447
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:41,375
 just cut out the thyroid?

1448
00:49:42,333 --> 00:49:42,541
 No.

1449
00:49:42,833 --> 00:49:43,583
 Some people might.

1450
00:49:43,916 --> 00:49:45,625
 I know, graves, you might.

1451
00:49:45,916 --> 00:49:47,708
 I'm grave, I might argue that.

1452
00:49:48,416 --> 00:49:50,083
 But you can actually get the

1453
00:49:50,083 --> 00:49:51,583
 body back into homeostasis.

1454
00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:52,458
 Now,

1455
00:49:53,625 --> 00:49:56,916
 excluding leaks or a manufacturer error,

1456
00:49:57,166 --> 00:49:58,500
 like all that other stuff, which is

1457
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:00,083
 probably accounts right now for about

1458
00:50:01,375 --> 00:50:05,041
 three to 6% of what's going on out there.

1459
00:50:06,041 --> 00:50:09,250
 I would say that one out of 10 women, the

1460
00:50:09,250 --> 00:50:11,208
 implant because of the immune system,

1461
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,416
 it's the scar tissue.

1462
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,458
 See, it's the scar tissue.

1463
00:50:16,291 --> 00:50:17,958
 If the implant because of the, you know

1464
00:50:17,958 --> 00:50:20,416
 how people who they don't do well if they

1465
00:50:20,416 --> 00:50:22,958
 put in fake earrings, or they get bad

1466
00:50:22,958 --> 00:50:24,083
 when they have a scar,

1467
00:50:24,375 --> 00:50:26,125
 it scars up real bad.

1468
00:50:26,916 --> 00:50:28,041
 Chemical sensitivities.

1469
00:50:28,541 --> 00:50:28,750
 Yeah.

1470
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:30,541
 Those people have a very

1471
00:50:30,541 --> 00:50:32,000
 reactive immune system.

1472
00:50:33,041 --> 00:50:34,666
 And one thing about the immune system,

1473
00:50:34,916 --> 00:50:35,583
 when it's very

1474
00:50:35,583 --> 00:50:38,250
 reactive, it hates scar tissue.

1475
00:50:38,750 --> 00:50:39,416
 Hates it.

1476
00:50:40,041 --> 00:50:40,250
 Right.

1477
00:50:40,958 --> 00:50:43,583
 And so the problem with this is, is that

1478
00:50:43,583 --> 00:50:46,375
 what is a capsule are scar tissue.

1479
00:50:47,125 --> 00:50:47,750
 Okay.

1480
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,416
 It's the body trying to protect you from

1481
00:50:51,416 --> 00:50:52,708
 what is already happening.

1482
00:50:53,291 --> 00:50:57,125
 I also see that by the way, I believe

1483
00:50:57,125 --> 00:51:00,375
 that's what's happening in most EBV Lyme

1484
00:51:00,375 --> 00:51:02,000
 cases where if there is something left

1485
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,333
 over, the body starts to create, that's

1486
00:51:04,333 --> 00:51:06,250
 what I think senescent cells start to do.

1487
00:51:06,250 --> 00:51:08,750
 It encapsulates the virus.

1488
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:10,291
 And we'll talk about that another time,

1489
00:51:10,291 --> 00:51:12,416
 which is really interesting to try to

1490
00:51:12,416 --> 00:51:13,666
 stop it from dividing.

1491
00:51:13,666 --> 00:51:15,083
 And those cells turn

1492
00:51:15,083 --> 00:51:16,250
 into senescent cells.

1493
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:17,958
 If there is virus left over,

1494
00:51:18,625 --> 00:51:20,166
 that's where I think we find it.

1495
00:51:20,166 --> 00:51:21,875
 And so, again, that's another topic.

1496
00:51:21,875 --> 00:51:24,083
 That's why part of my process, we will

1497
00:51:24,083 --> 00:51:25,458
 use homeopathics with the

1498
00:51:25,458 --> 00:51:27,916
 viral signature if we need to.

1499
00:51:28,833 --> 00:51:30,583
 And then we start doing fast feasting

1500
00:51:30,583 --> 00:51:32,916
 strategies to train the body what to look

1501
00:51:32,916 --> 00:51:34,833
 for to go find it and get rid of it.

1502
00:51:35,666 --> 00:51:37,625
 But coming back to the implant.

1503
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,291
 So what we end up finding is that most of

1504
00:51:41,291 --> 00:51:42,875
 the time, if I calm the immune imbalance

1505
00:51:42,875 --> 00:51:43,625
 down, it has no

1506
00:51:43,625 --> 00:51:44,833
 problem with the scar tissue.

1507
00:51:44,833 --> 00:51:46,083
 But those 10%,

1508
00:51:47,125 --> 00:51:49,125
 it will, the scar tissue has gotten so

1509
00:51:49,125 --> 00:51:50,541
 heavy, maybe something's growing on the

1510
00:51:50,541 --> 00:51:51,708
 scar tissue, like mold, by

1511
00:51:51,708 --> 00:51:53,083
 the way, which it can happen.

1512
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:53,958
 Okay.

1513
00:51:56,125 --> 00:52:00,166
 And then, or that there's so much damage

1514
00:52:00,166 --> 00:52:02,083
 to the scar tissue in some way that it

1515
00:52:02,083 --> 00:52:04,375
 just keeps drawing the immune system in,

1516
00:52:05,333 --> 00:52:06,791
 then they have to be removed.

1517
00:52:07,458 --> 00:52:10,666
 But the crazy thing is, if you go in and

1518
00:52:10,666 --> 00:52:13,583
 remove them and do a capsule, ectomy, or

1519
00:52:13,583 --> 00:52:16,083
 really get rid of a lot of scar tissue to

1520
00:52:16,083 --> 00:52:18,250
 let it reform another capsule, which is

1521
00:52:18,250 --> 00:52:19,500
 another conversation for another day.

1522
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,541
 If you use a very aggressive immune

1523
00:52:22,541 --> 00:52:24,958
 protocol up front to shunt the immune

1524
00:52:24,958 --> 00:52:29,333
 response and prevent rejection, they can

1525
00:52:29,333 --> 00:52:31,041
 have the implants again with no problem.

1526
00:52:31,041 --> 00:52:31,541
 We've seen it.

1527
00:52:31,833 --> 00:52:32,458
 Now I'm not saying go

1528
00:52:32,458 --> 00:52:33,125
 back to the implant.

1529
00:52:33,416 --> 00:52:36,458
 I'm not even, I'm not a moral judge of

1530
00:52:36,458 --> 00:52:37,708
 like what you're doing with your body.

1531
00:52:38,125 --> 00:52:40,125
 I'm very interested in how the immune

1532
00:52:40,125 --> 00:52:41,875
 system learns and adapts

1533
00:52:41,875 --> 00:52:43,500
 and what it creates over time.

1534
00:52:44,458 --> 00:52:44,666
 Right?

1535
00:52:45,083 --> 00:52:46,250
 So a lot of people think it's

1536
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:47,875
 the implant that's the problem.

1537
00:52:48,083 --> 00:52:48,791
 It's not.

1538
00:52:49,208 --> 00:52:50,500
 It's the scar tissue

1539
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:52,375
 oftentimes from the capsule.

1540
00:52:53,208 --> 00:52:53,833
 Yeah, that's fascinating.

1541
00:52:54,083 --> 00:52:54,916
 I'm gonna have to look into that.

1542
00:52:54,916 --> 00:52:55,500
 That's something I've

1543
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:56,333
 definitely learned today.

1544
00:52:56,333 --> 00:52:57,333
 I don't know that there was so much

1545
00:52:57,333 --> 00:52:58,708
 hyperactivity between scar

1546
00:52:58,708 --> 00:53:00,833
 tissue and any immune system.

1547
00:53:01,125 --> 00:53:02,500
 So I'll definitely You'll find that.

1548
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:03,583
 And that's why a lot of times we'll have

1549
00:53:03,583 --> 00:53:06,166
 people go in and cut out, like if they go

1550
00:53:06,166 --> 00:53:07,875
 redo the surgery and kind of clean the

1551
00:53:07,875 --> 00:53:10,291
 scar tissue and then put in an immune.

1552
00:53:10,291 --> 00:53:11,083
 It could have been from a

1553
00:53:11,083 --> 00:53:12,666
 bad knee injury or something.

1554
00:53:12,916 --> 00:53:13,083
 Yeah.

1555
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:15,000
 And we'll have them clean it out.

1556
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:17,333
 And then we do, we shunt the immune

1557
00:53:17,333 --> 00:53:18,208
 system so it doesn't

1558
00:53:18,208 --> 00:53:19,625
 create more of it again.

1559
00:53:20,458 --> 00:53:22,333
 It's more of a, it's a

1560
00:53:22,333 --> 00:53:24,000
 safer healing process.

1561
00:53:24,833 --> 00:53:25,875
 And then they don't have the same

1562
00:53:25,875 --> 00:53:26,708
 reactions anymore,

1563
00:53:26,708 --> 00:53:27,500
 which is super fascinating.

1564
00:53:27,791 --> 00:53:29,625
 The point of why I'm sharing that, right,

1565
00:53:30,041 --> 00:53:32,208
 is to come back to finding out that if

1566
00:53:32,208 --> 00:53:34,583
 you don't work a deductive process, and

1567
00:53:34,583 --> 00:53:36,750
 you just remove the implants, you might

1568
00:53:36,750 --> 00:53:37,958
 feel a little bit better

1569
00:53:38,166 --> 00:53:39,208
 for about three months.

1570
00:53:39,458 --> 00:53:41,416
 But the overwhelming evidence today is

1571
00:53:41,416 --> 00:53:44,125
 over 60, 70% of people who have an X

1572
00:53:44,125 --> 00:53:46,291
 plant go back to feeling like crap,

1573
00:53:46,291 --> 00:53:47,500
 because you didn't get to

1574
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:48,375
 the root of the problem.

1575
00:53:49,125 --> 00:53:51,208
 Yeah, you just potentially took out the

1576
00:53:51,208 --> 00:53:53,666
 trigger, but you didn't solve the you

1577
00:53:53,666 --> 00:53:55,000
 didn't get the immune system into a

1578
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,875
 condition state where it actually needs

1579
00:53:56,875 --> 00:53:58,291
 to get into so that the body can then

1580
00:53:58,291 --> 00:54:00,750
 operate as it should do and get out of

1581
00:54:00,750 --> 00:54:02,583
 that cell danger response and back into

1582
00:54:02,583 --> 00:54:03,708
 normal cell physiology.

1583
00:54:04,166 --> 00:54:05,791
 Yeah,

1584
00:54:07,166 --> 00:54:08,666
 Vince gallbladder removal, gallbladder.

1585
00:54:08,875 --> 00:54:11,041
 Yeah, there we go. 90% of gallbladder

1586
00:54:11,041 --> 00:54:12,708
 removal ends in an autoimmune disease.

1587
00:54:13,333 --> 00:54:14,833
 I'm sure it does in 10 years.

1588
00:54:15,333 --> 00:54:16,375
 Yeah, because you're not dealing

1589
00:54:16,375 --> 00:54:18,000
 downstream with any sulfation,

1590
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,500
 glucuronidation, any of the sort of

1591
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:21,291
 hepatic buildup that sorry, I'm going to

1592
00:54:21,291 --> 00:54:22,833
 stop there before I can attend it.

1593
00:54:22,833 --> 00:54:24,083
 I know you got it, bro.

1594
00:54:24,333 --> 00:54:24,875
 You already you're

1595
00:54:24,875 --> 00:54:26,708
 spitting fire right now.

1596
00:54:26,708 --> 00:54:27,666
 Yeah, it's amazing.

1597
00:54:29,791 --> 00:54:31,750
 Vince, honestly, I

1598
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:32,708
 could talk to you all day.

1599
00:54:33,083 --> 00:54:34,833
 I know you have me come back, man.

1600
00:54:34,833 --> 00:54:35,500
 We'll do another one.

1601
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:38,750
 If if your if your followers, listeners,

1602
00:54:38,916 --> 00:54:40,791
 watchers, if they say, Hey, bring that

1603
00:54:40,791 --> 00:54:41,916
 guy a crazy guy back,

1604
00:54:41,916 --> 00:54:42,750
 we'd love to hear him.

1605
00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:44,875
 I'll come back if they don't have fun in

1606
00:54:44,875 --> 00:54:45,625
 your audience, because you

1607
00:54:45,625 --> 00:54:47,916
 truly are one in a million.

1608
00:54:48,916 --> 00:54:50,750
 Before before I let you go, would you

1609
00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:51,666
 mind if we just ran through

1610
00:54:51,666 --> 00:54:53,083
 a few rapid fire questions?

1611
00:54:53,458 --> 00:54:53,791
 Rapid fire.

1612
00:54:53,791 --> 00:54:54,416
 Let's go.

1613
00:54:54,416 --> 00:54:54,750
 Absolutely.

1614
00:54:55,458 --> 00:54:55,958
 Perfect.

1615
00:54:55,958 --> 00:54:57,375
 Always good for reals.

1616
00:54:58,666 --> 00:55:00,958
 Okay, maybe go slightly against what we

1617
00:55:00,958 --> 00:55:01,916
 were just talking about.

1618
00:55:01,916 --> 00:55:05,708
 But if you had one wish for one lab that

1619
00:55:05,708 --> 00:55:08,666
 new clients arrived with you arrived

1620
00:55:08,666 --> 00:55:09,875
 with, what would it be?

1621
00:55:11,458 --> 00:55:13,791
 I'm gonna go genetics test.

1622
00:55:15,166 --> 00:55:15,916
 Genetics test because

1623
00:55:15,916 --> 00:55:17,125
 genetics are the future.

1624
00:55:17,125 --> 00:55:20,041
 It can tell me a lot about why your

1625
00:55:20,041 --> 00:55:22,000
 body's responding the way that it is.

1626
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,500
 And I can add nutrients that will help it

1627
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:26,791
 heal or resolve different issues.

1628
00:55:27,125 --> 00:55:30,666
 And it can help me forego any problems

1629
00:55:30,666 --> 00:55:33,458
 that I might run into that make you

1630
00:55:33,458 --> 00:55:34,833
 unique during the process.

1631
00:55:35,458 --> 00:55:36,916
 Yeah, no, I've still got to get my hands

1632
00:55:36,916 --> 00:55:39,000
 on your new DNA test when it finally it

1633
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,375
 actually comes out the next month.

1634
00:55:41,375 --> 00:55:42,500
 That's awesome.

1635
00:55:43,250 --> 00:55:44,000
 Yeah, it's incredible.

1636
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,750
 Flush feed, fast or function, which is

1637
00:55:46,750 --> 00:55:48,916
 your personal favorite phase of the

1638
00:55:48,916 --> 00:55:49,916
 fourth process and why?

1639
00:55:51,208 --> 00:55:54,541
 Fast phase, fast phase spiritually, the

1640
00:55:54,541 --> 00:55:57,208
 Bible mentions a fasting 77 times,

1641
00:55:57,541 --> 00:55:59,541
 whether you agree that the Bible is a

1642
00:55:59,541 --> 00:56:01,625
 book of wisdom or a book of the living

1643
00:56:01,625 --> 00:56:03,000
 God, it's I don't want

1644
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,125
 to argue that that's okay.

1645
00:56:04,708 --> 00:56:06,750
 But what I can tell you is that don't you

1646
00:56:06,750 --> 00:56:09,791
 think it's possible that if every

1647
00:56:09,791 --> 00:56:12,000
 religion in the world agrees on one thing

1648
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,916
 that that one thing is probably truth.

1649
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:16,375
 And do you know what that one thing is?

1650
00:56:17,250 --> 00:56:17,666
 Fasting?

1651
00:56:18,250 --> 00:56:19,000
 No, 100%.

1652
00:56:19,666 --> 00:56:20,625
 Perfect.

1653
00:56:21,666 --> 00:56:23,791
 Most overrated supplement in the

1654
00:56:23,791 --> 00:56:25,166
 industry, functional health in general.

1655
00:56:25,791 --> 00:56:29,333
 Oh boy, the most overrated supplement in

1656
00:56:29,333 --> 00:56:33,916
 the industry is without a doubt, in my

1657
00:56:33,916 --> 00:56:36,916
 professional opinion, right?

1658
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,625
 And I'm gonna ruffle some some feathers

1659
00:56:42,625 --> 00:56:45,958
 here, probably most likely is fish oil.

1660
00:56:47,458 --> 00:56:49,500
 And the reason I say fish oil is most

1661
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:52,833
 fish oil is is not certified by a third

1662
00:56:52,833 --> 00:56:55,208
 party, it's not made correctly, the oil

1663
00:56:55,208 --> 00:56:59,000
 is rancidified, or it's not even rancid,

1664
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,166
 it's just dead, which

1665
00:57:00,166 --> 00:57:01,458
 is an anisodyne level.

1666
00:57:02,250 --> 00:57:04,000
 And everybody takes it thinking it's

1667
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,375
 going to be the thing to their future.

1668
00:57:05,875 --> 00:57:07,791
 And they're not even taking one that has

1669
00:57:07,791 --> 00:57:09,875
 enough EPA, DHEA in it.

1670
00:57:10,291 --> 00:57:12,208
 And they're not taking a large enough

1671
00:57:12,208 --> 00:57:13,833
 dose that is going to

1672
00:57:13,833 --> 00:57:15,500
 create a medicinal outcome.

1673
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,875
 Over time, I think the

1674
00:57:17,875 --> 00:57:19,583
 research over touts it.

1675
00:57:20,833 --> 00:57:24,250
 And I think that people, you know, they

1676
00:57:24,250 --> 00:57:25,458
 should be wise about where they're

1677
00:57:25,458 --> 00:57:26,583
 getting the fish oil from.

1678
00:57:27,583 --> 00:57:28,333
 Yeah, no, I couldn't agree.

1679
00:57:28,541 --> 00:57:29,875
 I mean, when you start looking at those

1680
00:57:29,875 --> 00:57:32,416
 totox values on a fish oil test, and the

1681
00:57:32,416 --> 00:57:34,416
 oxidation in them is just nuts.

1682
00:57:34,666 --> 00:57:37,000
 And then obviously, a lot of people

1683
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,666
 actually can't break down fish oils into

1684
00:57:39,666 --> 00:57:40,000
 their active

1685
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,000
 components, what are they called?

1686
00:57:41,166 --> 00:57:42,083
 Not SMPs?

1687
00:57:43,291 --> 00:57:46,916
 Yeah, well, there's going from your

1688
00:57:46,916 --> 00:57:49,041
 arachnidonic or oleic acids.

1689
00:57:49,041 --> 00:57:50,833
 And the problem with fads too, is you

1690
00:57:50,833 --> 00:57:51,916
 can't break that down.

1691
00:57:51,916 --> 00:57:52,500
 That's the genetic.

1692
00:57:53,541 --> 00:57:55,083
 So it's like that's part of the problem.

1693
00:57:55,666 --> 00:57:56,583
 Once again, that's why I want that

1694
00:57:56,583 --> 00:57:57,750
 genetics test, you know?

1695
00:57:58,500 --> 00:57:59,291
 Yeah, no, completely.

1696
00:58:00,750 --> 00:58:01,875
 Yeah, that's going to bite me.

1697
00:58:01,875 --> 00:58:03,375
 I'll probably I'll send an email one in

1698
00:58:03,375 --> 00:58:04,791
 the morning when I remember what I'm

1699
00:58:04,791 --> 00:58:06,500
 trying to sort of jump to.

1700
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:07,708
 Anyway, okay, next one.

1701
00:58:08,708 --> 00:58:11,541
 Say someone drops 100 million into your

1702
00:58:11,541 --> 00:58:13,958
 lab tomorrow to run a

1703
00:58:13,958 --> 00:58:15,333
 large scale clinical trial.

1704
00:58:15,541 --> 00:58:16,333
 What are you spending that money on?

1705
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:19,625
 A large scale clinical trial.

1706
00:58:27,791 --> 00:58:32,791
 I'm going to go stem cell H-BOT treatment

1707
00:58:32,791 --> 00:58:39,916
 used in unison on almost any

1708
00:58:39,916 --> 00:58:44,708
 disease, IV and injectable, um,

1709
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,375
 using in conjunction

1710
00:58:47,375 --> 00:58:48,500
 with functional medicine.

1711
00:58:48,958 --> 00:58:51,250
 The clinic I want to make that I'm going

1712
00:58:51,250 --> 00:58:53,541
 to make soon with IV stem cell, that's

1713
00:58:53,541 --> 00:58:55,041
 where I'm going to go with peptides

1714
00:58:55,041 --> 00:58:57,875
 together, bringing you in for a week,

1715
00:58:58,291 --> 00:59:00,458
 lots of oxygen, the oxygen

1716
00:59:00,458 --> 00:59:02,083
 is a healer and it can't hurt.

1717
00:59:02,083 --> 00:59:03,041
 That's why we need to just

1718
00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:05,166
 blast people with oxygen, right?

1719
00:59:06,375 --> 00:59:08,458
 And, and I believe that if we create

1720
00:59:08,458 --> 00:59:10,208
 centers that allow people to get

1721
00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:13,208
 corresponding treatments in unison in a

1722
00:59:13,208 --> 00:59:14,625
 short period of time and get them back in

1723
00:59:14,625 --> 00:59:16,250
 their life and then get them a coach to

1724
00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:18,250
 work the rest of the process, I believe

1725
00:59:18,250 --> 00:59:19,250
 that that is the future.

1726
00:59:19,833 --> 00:59:21,416
 So my first clinic that's going to

1727
00:59:21,416 --> 00:59:23,833
 approach this is, uh, is

1728
00:59:23,833 --> 00:59:25,166
 coming very, very, very soon.

1729
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:27,500
 I often wonder if I just sent everybody a

1730
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:30,041
 male to my transportable H-BOT, which is

1731
00:59:30,041 --> 00:59:32,833
 hyperbaric in case anybody knows, and you

1732
00:59:32,833 --> 00:59:35,166
 did anything with H-BOT in conjunction.

1733
00:59:35,375 --> 00:59:36,958
 What could the outcomes be?

1734
00:59:36,958 --> 00:59:40,208
 And, but I believe stem cells and oxygen

1735
00:59:40,208 --> 00:59:42,083
 exposed at the same time.

1736
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,375
 I believe very heavily that that is a

1737
00:59:45,375 --> 00:59:46,583
 massive part of our future.

1738
00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:49,083
 Yeah, no, no, I couldn't agree more.

1739
00:59:49,083 --> 00:59:50,041
 I think there might be a few

1740
00:59:50,041 --> 00:59:51,916
 contraindication to some viruses like BOT

1741
00:59:51,916 --> 00:59:52,708
 and they learned something as

1742
00:59:52,708 --> 00:59:53,625
 far as they know you are right.

1743
00:59:53,875 --> 00:59:54,083
 Active.

1744
00:59:54,375 --> 00:59:55,000
 You are correct.

1745
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:55,833
 Yeah, you are correct.

1746
00:59:55,833 --> 00:59:56,708
 In fact, it happened to me.

1747
00:59:57,166 --> 00:59:59,625
 I did stem cells recently had gotten

1748
00:59:59,625 --> 01:00:01,375
 COVID and it put me

1749
01:00:01,375 --> 01:00:03,541
 back in a full action.

1750
01:00:03,541 --> 01:00:04,416
 It made me very sick.

1751
01:00:05,375 --> 01:00:05,750
 Yeah.

1752
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,833
 And again, that just speaks to your, uh,

1753
01:00:07,833 --> 01:00:09,583
 your, your understanding of the subject

1754
01:00:09,583 --> 01:00:10,791
 matter and, and knowing the

1755
01:00:10,791 --> 01:00:11,750
 order of operations again.

1756
01:00:12,416 --> 01:00:12,583
 Anyway.

1757
01:00:12,833 --> 01:00:13,000
 Okay.

1758
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:13,500
 Final one.

1759
01:00:13,791 --> 01:00:15,083
 Um, and I'll, I'll

1760
01:00:15,083 --> 01:00:16,000
 actually put that to Dr.

1761
01:00:16,291 --> 01:00:17,041
 Dale Khan, who I'm sure

1762
01:00:17,041 --> 01:00:17,833
 you are familiar with.

1763
01:00:17,833 --> 01:00:19,041
 I'll be chatting to him in a few weeks

1764
01:00:19,041 --> 01:00:20,500
 and I'd love to get his take on that.

1765
01:00:20,500 --> 01:00:23,041
 But anyway, um, cold therapy

1766
01:00:23,041 --> 01:00:24,500
 versus sawn for overall health.

1767
01:00:24,916 --> 01:00:26,791
 It depends what stage.

1768
01:00:27,291 --> 01:00:27,500
 Okay.

1769
01:00:27,791 --> 01:00:29,208
 If you've been highly chronically

1770
01:00:29,208 --> 01:00:31,875
 inflamed for a very, very long time, he

1771
01:00:31,875 --> 01:00:34,166
 activates phase one immune function.

1772
01:00:34,666 --> 01:00:35,541
 So we want it.

1773
01:00:35,541 --> 01:00:37,333
 We want to stay away from it and use cold

1774
01:00:37,333 --> 01:00:40,791
 shock proteins in the acute and halfway

1775
01:00:40,791 --> 01:00:42,125
 through the subacute phase.

1776
01:00:42,708 --> 01:00:44,250
 Once we've achieved a level of

1777
01:00:44,250 --> 01:00:46,375
 inflammation, as it starts to come down,

1778
01:00:46,833 --> 01:00:49,500
 the detox pathways are more open, right?

1779
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:51,708
 And then we can start applying contrast

1780
01:00:51,708 --> 01:00:54,916
 where we apply them together, usually in

1781
01:00:54,916 --> 01:00:57,250
 some form of a 10 minutes heat to two

1782
01:00:57,250 --> 01:00:58,833
 minutes cold, and you can

1783
01:00:58,833 --> 01:01:01,000
 run rounds of it if you want.

1784
01:01:01,708 --> 01:01:03,291
 But I'm telling everybody, I'm begging

1785
01:01:03,291 --> 01:01:04,416
 people to understand, I

1786
01:01:04,416 --> 01:01:05,500
 know you don't want this,

1787
01:01:06,583 --> 01:01:09,625
 but cold therapy is the primary way that

1788
01:01:09,625 --> 01:01:12,291
 we should be attacking most problems that

1789
01:01:12,291 --> 01:01:14,833
 are in the chronic phase in the

1790
01:01:14,833 --> 01:01:18,208
 preventative phase, more heat, but in the

1791
01:01:18,208 --> 01:01:21,583
 chronic phase, more cold and truthfully

1792
01:01:21,875 --> 01:01:23,958
 putting them together kind of mitigates

1793
01:01:23,958 --> 01:01:25,000
 the risk of the

1794
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,375
 downside of any one of them.

1795
01:01:27,583 --> 01:01:31,250
 And I believe very heavily we use cold

1796
01:01:31,250 --> 01:01:34,375
 therapy and undoubtedly is an

1797
01:01:34,375 --> 01:01:36,000
 incredible, incredible tool.

1798
01:01:36,333 --> 01:01:37,375
 Yeah, no, it's amazing.

1799
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:39,666
 And people just get again, it speaks to

1800
01:01:39,666 --> 01:01:40,666
 what you were talking about earlier,

1801
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,708
 people getting hooked up on one modality.

1802
01:01:42,708 --> 01:01:44,375
 So one is going to hear all your issues.

1803
01:01:44,791 --> 01:01:45,750
 If you're going to chronically

1804
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:48,250
 overexpressed immune system and you blast

1805
01:01:48,250 --> 01:01:49,583
 a lot of heat at it, all of a sudden,

1806
01:01:49,625 --> 01:01:51,083
 you've got a histamine reaction and

1807
01:01:51,083 --> 01:01:53,333
 people sort of get sort of lost in this

1808
01:01:53,333 --> 01:01:55,708
 sort of, why do I feel worse?

1809
01:01:56,416 --> 01:01:58,416
 That's why right now, when we're under

1810
01:01:58,416 --> 01:02:00,541
 record heat, this is why immune problems

1811
01:02:00,541 --> 01:02:01,916
 are going to get, as we get hotter,

1812
01:02:02,875 --> 01:02:03,625
 immune problems are

1813
01:02:03,625 --> 01:02:04,333
 going to get way worse.

1814
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,833
 So global warming is going to create more

1815
01:02:06,833 --> 01:02:08,208
 medical issues than we realize.

1816
01:02:09,541 --> 01:02:12,000
 And so that's why, and you know, that's

1817
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,041
 one of the biggest problems, right?

1818
01:02:14,041 --> 01:02:15,250
 And so what I just want people to

1819
01:02:15,250 --> 01:02:17,041
 realize, anything that you do to the

1820
01:02:17,041 --> 01:02:19,791
 body, anything you do to the human body,

1821
01:02:20,333 --> 01:02:22,375
 the most optimal amount of time that you

1822
01:02:22,375 --> 01:02:24,500
 should probably do it in general as a

1823
01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:26,125
 general rule is 12 weeks.

1824
01:02:26,875 --> 01:02:27,833
 Why is it 12 weeks?

1825
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:31,041
 Because the human body has grown and

1826
01:02:31,041 --> 01:02:32,208
 developed and shaped its

1827
01:02:32,208 --> 01:02:34,958
 DNA around seasons, right?

1828
01:02:35,166 --> 01:02:38,250
 So it's used to having to acclimate to a

1829
01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:40,916
 new environment and having a pro response

1830
01:02:40,916 --> 01:02:43,000
 to that environment and then going into a

1831
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,083
 maladaptive response.

1832
01:02:44,458 --> 01:02:45,250
 Think about the cold.

1833
01:02:45,625 --> 01:02:47,375
 When it starts getting cold, man, all

1834
01:02:47,375 --> 01:02:48,500
 kinds of good things can happen.

1835
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:50,250
 But when you stay cold too long and then

1836
01:02:50,250 --> 01:02:52,541
 illness and lack of sunlight, all these

1837
01:02:52,541 --> 01:02:53,541
 different things start to

1838
01:02:53,541 --> 01:02:55,583
 affect, you know, death rates.

1839
01:02:56,208 --> 01:02:57,500
 And then we move into spring

1840
01:02:57,625 --> 01:02:58,833
 and there's all these benefits.

1841
01:02:58,833 --> 01:02:59,625
 But then with spring

1842
01:02:59,625 --> 01:03:01,083
 comes allergy, right?

1843
01:03:01,083 --> 01:03:04,125
 So like there's a pro and a maladaptive

1844
01:03:04,125 --> 01:03:06,375
 response and it happens over

1845
01:03:06,375 --> 01:03:08,416
 a 12-week timeframe, right?

1846
01:03:08,416 --> 01:03:09,250
 Which is about the

1847
01:03:09,250 --> 01:03:10,416
 optimal amount of time.

1848
01:03:10,875 --> 01:03:13,625
 So if I'm just doing cold for 12 weeks

1849
01:03:13,625 --> 01:03:14,041
 and I'm getting

1850
01:03:14,041 --> 01:03:15,541
 really deep into it, fine.

1851
01:03:15,666 --> 01:03:17,375
 But probably at the end of 12, maybe we

1852
01:03:17,375 --> 01:03:18,208
 should throw in some heat.

1853
01:03:18,625 --> 01:03:19,500
 Maybe we take a break.

1854
01:03:19,958 --> 01:03:21,208
 Maybe we do contrast.

1855
01:03:21,208 --> 01:03:22,291
 Maybe we only do heat.

1856
01:03:22,750 --> 01:03:25,166
 That's why variation is

1857
01:03:25,166 --> 01:03:27,041
 the key to optimal living.

1858
01:03:27,291 --> 01:03:28,333
 And it's very hard for

1859
01:03:28,333 --> 01:03:31,125
 us consistent, you know,

1860
01:03:32,541 --> 01:03:35,208
 structured human beings to adopt

1861
01:03:35,208 --> 01:03:37,833
 variation in a meaningful sort of way.

1862
01:03:38,500 --> 01:03:40,208
 But once we begin to understand what I'm

1863
01:03:40,208 --> 01:03:41,958
 saying, you start to see everything that

1864
01:03:41,958 --> 01:03:43,291
 way and it starts to become a little

1865
01:03:43,291 --> 01:03:45,833
 easier to apply in the mastery of it.

1866
01:03:46,583 --> 01:03:47,291
 Vince, you're amazing.

1867
01:03:47,625 --> 01:03:50,250
 And I'm not just saying that you, you

1868
01:03:50,250 --> 01:03:51,333
 understand this better

1869
01:03:51,333 --> 01:03:52,416
 than almost anyone I know.

1870
01:03:52,833 --> 01:03:53,833
 So thank you for the time.

1871
01:03:54,083 --> 01:03:54,708
 Come and fish you.

1872
01:03:54,708 --> 01:03:55,541
 That means a lot, man.

1873
01:03:55,541 --> 01:03:57,208
 And you guys support Rob.

1874
01:03:57,208 --> 01:03:58,041
 He's an incredible guy.

1875
01:03:58,375 --> 01:03:59,125
 He's lived it.

1876
01:03:59,375 --> 01:04:00,708
 I know, I know his journey.

1877
01:04:00,708 --> 01:04:02,000
 I've stood alongside of him.

1878
01:04:02,291 --> 01:04:04,666
 If anybody is a pursuer of truth and it

1879
01:04:04,666 --> 01:04:06,541
 is genuine, it is this man.

1880
01:04:06,541 --> 01:04:08,000
 So continue to listen to him as he

1881
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,041
 explores truth over the

1882
01:04:10,041 --> 01:04:10,958
 next months and years.

1883
01:04:11,291 --> 01:04:12,083
 So thanks Rob.

1884
01:04:12,666 --> 01:04:13,583
 Thank you for your time, Vince.

1885
01:04:14,083 --> 01:04:14,291
 Awesome.

1886
01:04:14,500 --> 01:04:15,041
 See you, brother.