Hello dear listener, welcome to another episode of the
Trevor:Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.
Trevor:This one, a special episode.
Trevor:It's just me, Solo, ranting about Venezuela and the recent election and
Trevor:the media treatment of that election.
Trevor:Those of you who have listened to this podcast for many years would recognize
Trevor:that every so often I get a Venezuelan itch that I have to scratch and I've
Trevor:reached that point on this occasion again.
Trevor:I've um, I've done lots of stories about Venezuela in the past and
Trevor:I think what people may say or be curious and think, why Trevor, why
Trevor:are you so obsessed with Venezuela?
Trevor:And the answer is when I was 19 I I spent, um, three months in the
Trevor:States and Canada, three months in Central America backpacking, and three
Trevor:months in, in parts of South America.
Trevor:I never got to Venezuela, but I did, you know, obviously gain an interest and an
Trevor:affinity with Latin American culture.
Trevor:And so, that would partly explain my interest in Venezuela, and over the
Trevor:years we've done different stories.
Trevor:I'm pretty sure I did a whole episode with Hugh Harris, and I was trying to find out
Trevor:which number it was, but uh, I couldn't find it, but um, I'm going to get the
Trevor:archives of this podcast better organized.
Trevor:Anyway.
Trevor:Um, I was going to do a story on Venezuela and then Hugh Harris actually sent me a
Trevor:Guardian article and asked whether, the article of course was anti Maduro and he
Trevor:sort of asked whether I had changed my opinion on Venezuela and uh, so I thought
Trevor:well, I'll respond to that article and to Venezuelan affairs in general and
Trevor:I think it's going to be a long one.
Trevor:So, settle in.
Trevor:Anyway.
Trevor:Look, um, at the end of the day, it's very hazy as to exactly what goes on in
Trevor:Venezuela, but there are lots of good reasons and lots of evidence as to why
Trevor:we shouldn't accept the mainstream view.
Trevor:If you don't want to listen to two or three hours of this episode and just want
Trevor:to get the TLDR, too long, didn't read, summation of what I'm about to say, it's
Trevor:going to go something like this, that everybody knows that the USA is trying
Trevor:to conduct regime change in Venezuela.
Trevor:The USA admits that and everybody knows it.
Trevor:Everybody also knows that the standard program of regime change
Trevor:is to, to create disinformation and to cause havoc in a country.
Trevor:And that means that a lot of what we hear in relation to what's
Trevor:going on, can't be trusted.
Trevor:And we know that's the case from, from so much experience about what's previously
Trevor:happened in Venezuela and what's previously happened in other countries.
Trevor:So, so we know they want to do regime change.
Trevor:We know that a key component of that is manufacturing disinformation and mistrust,
Trevor:and even the most rabid opponents of the Maduro government basically
Trevor:admit that the actual voting process of people going to polls and voting.
Trevor:is a legitimate process, and that's backed up by the observations of
Trevor:over 900 international observers.
Trevor:So the creation of, of voting ballots is not really disputed.
Trevor:So the, the allegations that it hasn't been a democratic process in this
Trevor:particular election revolve around a couple of The first is that key
Trevor:opposition members were banned from participating as candidates, and the
Trevor:second aspect revolves around the delay in the release of the counts.
Trevor:The Maduro government claims, and this is not disputed by the opposition,
Trevor:that the website for the Venezuelan Electoral Commission was hit with a
Trevor:cyber attack, which meant that it had to be shut down, and they're trying to
Trevor:work their way through restoring the website to publish the data, and it's
Trevor:now reached the stage where The sort of auditing and verification process is
Trevor:being handed over to the Supreme Court.
Trevor:The opposition claims that they've got their own unofficial count, which
Trevor:shows that the opposition clearly won.
Trevor:But as we go through this, I think you may agree with me that
Trevor:that's complete BS on their part.
Trevor:So that's, uh, where we're headed and there's lots of details to fill in.
Trevor:And so I'm going to start with looking at, um, a bit of history
Trevor:of US intervention in Venezuela.
Trevor:And then we're going to look at some of the players involved, in
Trevor:particular the opposition leaders.
Trevor:We're going to look at international reaction to the election, who
Trevor:is happy with it and who's not.
Trevor:We're going to look at who was observing the election and what
Trevor:did they think of the process.
Trevor:Then we're going to move into the most important part, which will be an article
Trevor:in The Guardian where a journalist is quite scathing of Maduro's claims
Trevor:to have won the election, and we're really going to examine whether that
Trevor:was a good piece of journalism or not.
Trevor:Spoiler alert, it was not.
Trevor:And then There is an interview with Alan McLeod, who was one of the
Trevor:observers, he'll talk about the process.
Trevor:And right at the end of that interview, and right at the end of that interview,
Trevor:we'll get to the key takeaway of this entire matter, which is, how is it that
Trevor:so many Western media outlets are prepared to, to publish what is a very one sided
Trevor:and misleading view of what's going on.
Trevor:It turns out to be a classic example of manufacturing consent, um, a Noam
Trevor:Chomsky concept, which is probably also going to annoy Hugh Harris
Trevor:when he listens to this episode.
Trevor:But anyway, that's where we're heading.
Trevor:Lots of details to fill in.
Trevor:I hope you enjoy the ride.
Trevor:Okay.
Trevor:USA involvement in regime change throughout the world.
Trevor:Please, if you doubt that the USA is conducting coups all over the world,
Trevor:and has been conducting them, if you doubt that, then just stop listening.
Trevor:Because you've got a lot of homework to do.
Trevor:Anyway, I believe the USA when it says it's trying to conduct
Trevor:regime change in Venezuela.
Trevor:I've got a few clips.
Trevor:Here's one of Donald Trump.
Trump:When I left, Venezuela was ready to collapse.
Trump:We would have taken it over.
Trump:We would have gotten all that oil.
Trump:It would have been right next door.
Trevor:Trump had a National Security Advisor from 2018 to
Trevor:2019 called John Robert Bolton.
Trevor:Here's what he had to say in an interview.
Interviewer:I don't know that I agree with you, to be, to be, uh,
Interviewer:fair, with all due respect, uh, one doesn't have to be brilliant to attempt
Bolton:a coup.
Bolton:Uh, I disagree with that, as somebody who has helped plan coup d'etat, not here,
Bolton:but, you know, other places, uh, it takes a lot of work, and that's not what he did.
Bolton:When we were
Interviewer:talking about what is capable, what you need to
Interviewer:do to be able to plan a coup.
Interviewer:And you, you cited your expertise having planned coups.
Interviewer:I'm not going
Bolton:to get into the specifics, but, uh, Successful coups?
Bolton:Well, I wrote about Venezuela in, uh, in the book and, uh, it, it
Bolton:turned out not to be successful.
Bolton:Not that we had all that much to do with it, but I saw what it took for
Bolton:an opposition to try and overturn an illegally elected president.
Bolton:I don't know.
Bolton:Are
Trevor:you going to, listener?
Trevor:I mean, if you want to conduct a coup, it's, it's not as easy as it looks.
Trevor:Let's look at the playbook for one.
Trevor:For the USA when it wants to, uh, conduct a coup.
Trevor:First off, would be to impose trading and financial sanctions
Trevor:on the subject country.
Trevor:That will create economic stress on the local population, and they'll
Trevor:be angry, and a lot of the time, will blame their government, and
Trevor:not necessarily the government.
Trevor:the USA.
Trevor:But in any event, they get stressed, they get unhappy,
Trevor:and they want things to change.
Trevor:And they start thinking a government change would be good.
Trevor:So sanctions are great because they cause economic stress and hardship.
Trevor:The next thing the US needs to do is find a local US friendly puppet who
Trevor:they can support and maneuver into the position to claim control of the country.
Trevor:The USA then funnels money to that opposition entity and helps
Trevor:transmit propaganda through media, think tanks and NGOs.
Trevor:The propaganda of course will be critical of the government, blame it
Trevor:for all of the economic problems and promote the alternative opposition.
Trevor:One of the final steps is to employ and encourage goon squads
Trevor:to riot and revolt in the streets.
Trevor:If the opposition puppet is part of the military, then
Trevor:you're almost home and hosed.
Trevor:And if any elections are conducted in the meantime, before you can
Trevor:physically gain control of government buildings, then those elections will be
Trevor:denounced as undemocratic and corrupt.
Trevor:If you doubt any of that, I invite you to read All the Shah's Men,
Trevor:which describes how Kermit Roosevelt, working for the CIA, engineered
Trevor:a coup in Iran against Mossadegh.
Trevor:He more or less created a blueprint which the USA copied all around the world.
Trevor:And in particular in Latin America, where under the Monroe Doctrine, the USA
Trevor:has declared that no other superpower has any business in its hemisphere.
Trevor:And in fact, left wing governments have no business in that hemisphere, and it's
Trevor:up to the USA to do whatever it likes.
Trevor:And so it's engineered coups in a few countries in Latin America, namely
Trevor:Cuba, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Haiti, Peru,
Trevor:Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Bolivia, Paraguay, Brazil, Chile, Argentina,
Trevor:and Uruguay, just to name a few.
Trevor:Let's turn to their most recent attempts in Venezuela.
Trevor:A previously obscure figure, Juan Guaido, shocked the world in 2019 when he declared
Trevor:himself the rightful ruler of Venezuela, despite never standing for president.
Trevor:The US and Israel quickly recognised him.
Trevor:It's now known that the stunt was planned in the US, Guaido had previously
Trevor:met with Mike Pence, and assured him that he had the support over, of
Trevor:over half the Venezuelan military.
Trevor:Yet, when the US repeated Guaido's calls for the army to rebel and for
Trevor:the people to flood the streets, the response was disbelief and amusement.
Trevor:Guaido tried three coups in 2019, each less convincing than the last.
Trevor:And despite its failures, the following year, the United States
Trevor:attempted something even more desperate, an amphibious invasion of
Trevor:Venezuela, led by ex Green Berets.
Trevor:The plan was for ex special force members to lead an army of some 300
Trevor:pro Guaido troops and shoot their way into the presidential palace.
Trevor:And at this point, according to the plan, the Venezuelan army would desert
Trevor:or surrender, the government would fall, and Guaido would be proclaimed dictator.
Trevor:The scheme, however, fell apart at the first sign of resistance, as
Trevor:the Americans Missions leaders were overpowered by members of a local fishing
Trevor:collective armed with nothing more than antiquated revolvers and fishing knives.
Trevor:Defense Secretary, U.
Trevor:S.
Trevor:Defense Secretary, Mark Esper, later revealed that the Trump
Trevor:administration was intimately involved in the planning of the operation.
Trevor:In Esper's memoir, he claimed that Trump was fixated on the idea of an
Trevor:Iraq style invasion of Venezuela.
Trevor:He quotes Trump is saying, what if the US military went down
Trevor:there and got rid of Maduro?
Trevor:John Bolton, who we heard from in an earlier clip, also claimed that
Trevor:Trump had told him it would be really cool to take Venezuela because it
Trevor:is really part of the United States.
Trevor:So that was the most recent overt coup attempt.
Trevor:Of course, there's a current covert attempt occurring as we speak.
Trevor:But for the sake of completeness, just looking at some older history, of course
Trevor:the coup attempts began earlier than Trump, and almost from the moment that
Trevor:Chavez was elected in 1998, Washington started to plan for his removal.
Trevor:There is an organisation called NED, standing for National Endowment for
Trevor:Democracy, I can assure you, its aims are anything but democratic.
Trevor:And through the NED, the US began funding and training groups that would lead
Trevor:to the April 2002 coup against Chavez.
Trevor:And the US was flying its leaders back and forth from Washington DC in
Trevor:the weeks leading up to the event.
Trevor:The coup eventually failed, thanks to an enormous counter protest.
Trevor:surrounding the presidential palace and that spurred loyal military
Trevor:units into retaking the building.
Trevor:There was another significant attempt in 2014.
Trevor:The U.
Trevor:S.
Trevor:was the only country in the world that did not recognize Maduro's 2013
Trevor:electoral victory and instead the U.
Trevor:S.
Trevor:aligned itself with far right fractions in Venezuela which includes the
Trevor:current opposition leader Machado.
Trevor:And those far right faction groups implored people to take to the streets to
Trevor:vent their anger over the 2013 election.
Trevor:Which resulted in carnage and terrorised the nation and led to an
Trevor:estimated 15 billion worth of damage.
Trevor:What you find, dear listener, with these coups that are organised by
Trevor:the US in Latin America and other countries, is when they replace the
Trevor:leader, the leftist socialist leader in whatever country we happen to be
Trevor:talking about, they invariably back the most despicable right wing characters,
Trevor:and Venezuela is no exception.
Trevor:Anyway, WikiLeaks cables show that the U.
Trevor:S.
Trevor:was bankrolling many of the movement's leaders, and the cables also show
Trevor:that Washington knew the calibre of the people they were employing.
Trevor:They note, for example, that Nixon Moreno had led a crowd to lynch the
Trevor:Governor of Merritt Estate during the 2002 coup, and was accused of murder
Trevor:and the rape of a police officer.
Trevor:Eventually, that 2014 coup attempt uprising petered out.
Trevor:So that was basically the opposition in 2014 imploring people to get out and
Trevor:vent their anger at the election result.
Trevor:And that is being repeated on this occasion, where Edmundo Gonzalez has
Trevor:called on his supporters to go out on the streets and defend their victory.
Trevor:And what that has meant in practice is tens of thousands of people going
Trevor:out at night and setting fires to things, attacking police and burning
Trevor:down pharmacies and buildings.
Trevor:But Edmundo Gonzalez is an old man and he's really just the front
Trevor:man for Maria Carina Machado.
Trevor:She was banned from running for president, and so they had
Trevor:to put up Edmundo Gonzalez.
Trevor:But everybody understood that voting for Edmundo Gonzalez was
Trevor:voting for Maria Carina Machado.
Trevor:Now, one of the reasons for alleging corruption and unfairness in the
Trevor:Venezuelan election is the complaint that Machado wasn't allowed to run.
Trevor:But we need to have a bit of a look at Machado and see what she's been up to.
Trevor:In a leaked recording, Machado admitted that the US government told her it wants
Trevor:to collaborate to overthrow elected President Maduro, and Machado called
Trevor:for more sanctions demanding total financial asphyxiation of Venezuela.
Trevor:Also, a letter was released Machado sent to the leader of Argentina,
Trevor:Mauricio Macri, and the leader of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, asking
Trevor:for them to intervene in Venezuelan affairs by promoting before the United
Trevor:Nations Security Council the adoption of effective protection measures for
Trevor:Venezuela by promoting a change of regime.
Trevor:The letter asks Israel and Argentina to contribute their expertise and influence
Trevor:to move towards accurate and urgent decision making in the Security Council.
Trevor:And in her letter, she alleged the criminal nature of the current
Trevor:regime, the current Venezuelan regime, represented a real threat to
Trevor:other countries, especially Israel.
Trevor:And later in the text, um, stated, Without a regime change
Trevor:in our country, Hemispheric and global security are at risk.
Trevor:That all just sounds like treason to me.
Trevor:And is it any wonder that she was banned from standing for office?
Trevor:There are also some other allegations against her.
Trevor:I mean, to me, it's hard to believe she's actually still running around in the
Trevor:country free and not behind bars, given what we already know about her calling for
Trevor:violence in 2014 and then calling for US intervention and regime change and calling
Trevor:on Argentina and Israel to help out.
Trevor:Just some personal details.
Trevor:She was born into one of Venezuela's most elite and well connected families.
Trevor:She attended Yale University.
Trevor:As did President George W.
Trevor:Bush, who welcomed her into the Oval Office in 2005 for an official visit.
Trevor:And unlike others in the Venezuelan opposition, Machado has openly received
Trevor:money from the NED, the National Endowment for Democracy, and her election monitoring
Trevor:organisation, Sumate, has for many years been bankrolled by the CIA Front Group.
Trevor:End.
Trevor:WikiLeaks cables reveal that the US ambassador for Caracas, or in Caracas,
Trevor:considered this a serious drawback to the credibility of that organisation.
Trevor:So if I stopped right now, you would have enough information to be extremely
Trevor:doubtful of any anti Maduro news that you would be subjected to, as
Trevor:you'd be worried that it's propaganda generated by the United States.
Trevor:Unless, of course, you trust Western media to filter out any propaganda.
Trevor:In which case, I've got a bridge to sell you, and also, uh, stay tuned till the
Trevor:very end of this episode, in terms of the media and its ability to filter out
Trevor:or not filter out propaganda, and why organisations that seemingly are liberal,
Trevor:like the Guardian, are falling into line.
Trevor:Anyway, just a brief.
Trevor:tangent into the connection with Israel.
Trevor:So, um, Maria Carina Machado is a Zionist and she has said if we win
Trevor:we will move the Venezuelan embassy to Jerusalem to support Israel.
Trevor:It seems that every US backed Latin American politician tends
Trevor:to be fanatically pro Israel.
Trevor:On the other hand, Maduro has proven to be one of the staunchest
Trevor:international critics of Israel.
Trevor:And he's a big supporter of Palestine.
Trevor:He's quoted as saying Israel is committing massacres in the Gaza
Trevor:Strip in front of the world's eyes without anyone deterring it.
Trevor:And he claims that Israel's actions constitute some of the worst barbarity
Trevor:seen since the days of Adolf Hitler.
Trevor:He's actually following a tradition back in 2016 Chavez expelled the Israeli
Trevor:ambassador over its attacks on Lebanon.
Trevor:Three years later, amid a fresh Israeli attack, must have been 2009, Venezuela
Trevor:cut all diplomatic ties and recognized the state of Palestine and Chavez in
Trevor:a famous speech bellowed, Damn you state of Israel, and he denounced
Trevor:it as a terrorist state entity.
Trevor:Meanwhile, of course, Israel is shot back and it was one of the
Trevor:first nations to recognise Juan Guaido when he popped his head up.
Trevor:So there's no love lost between the, um, Maduro government and Israel,
Trevor:and there's a lot of love between the Machado opposition and Israel.
Trevor:Some of Machado's allies have been arrested for
Trevor:conspiring to ferment violence.
Trevor:There's So, the Attorney General has accused, um, Guillermo Lopez, Luis
Trevor:Camacaro and Juan Fraites, who belong to Machado's party, of forming part of
Trevor:a group of at least 11 people, who the Attorney General claims, tried to rob a
Trevor:military weapons arsenal before a planned assault on a pro Maduro state governor.
Trevor:Given the history of the opposition's efforts to promote violence after
Trevor:failed elections, and given just the shitty people that the USA
Trevor:tries to install as part of its coups, none of that surprises me.
Trevor:Who knows if it's true, but it seems plausible.
Trevor:On the other hand, maybe Maduro's just locking up political opponents
Trevor:so that he can win an election.
Trevor:I don't know, but if you're going to tell this story, in the Western
Trevor:media, you should be providing these other sides to the story.
Trevor:So how are other countries reacting to the election result?
Trevor:It's pretty much a split between Western countries and these sort
Trevor:of Global South BRICS countries.
Trevor:Over 40 countries have recognised and endorsed the Maduro government,
Trevor:including For example, Algeria, Angola, Antigua, Belarus, Bolivia, China.
Trevor:The USA has not gone so far as to recognise Gonzalez, but they're
Trevor:obviously not recognising Maduro.
Trevor:What are the papers saying?
Trevor:Well, the New York Times would be a fairly typical example.
Trevor:I'll read a fair number of excerpts from a New York Times article And the
Trevor:issues they talk about will be dealt with eventually, but this is to give
Trevor:you the sort of flavour of typical coverage of the election result.
Trevor:Protests erupt in Venezuela as nations denounce election result.
Trevor:I wasn't going to, but protests erupt, well, because the opposition called for
Trevor:it, and nations denounce election result?
Trevor:It'll turn out that actually ten times as many confirm the
Trevor:result as denounce the result.
Trevor:Ah, it goes on.
Trevor:Protests broke out Monday in Caracas, Venezuela's capital, with hundreds of
Trevor:young people marching through the streets, furious over a presidential election,
Trevor:in which the incumbent, Nicolas Maduro, declared victory despite widespread
Trevor:accusations of fraud, and Officially proclaiming the election decided
Trevor:without releasing the full vote counts.
Trevor:Oh, I can't help myself.
Trevor:Hundreds of young people marching through the streets.
Trevor:You know, it might be fair to point out that three days prior to the election,
Trevor:there was hundreds of thousands of people at Maduro rallies in support of Maduro.
Trevor:That paragraph talked about widespread accusations of fraud.
Trevor:Yeah, accusations by the opposition invite people with a vested
Trevor:interest in conducting a coup.
Trevor:And yes, they haven't released the full vote counts because their website has
Trevor:been under a denial of service attack, so they can't actually put it up and
Trevor:they're figuring out how to do it.
Trevor:But you know, don't tell people that's the reason.
Trevor:It goes on, the United States and countries around the world announced
Trevor:the official results of Sunday's vote, which did not appear to match
Trevor:statistical estimates based on partial counts and other data that showed the
Trevor:President losing by a wide margin.
Trevor:We'll get to this later, but part of the coup playbook is to conduct
Trevor:your own polling, showing that.
Trevor:The opposition is well in front, so when they lose the election,
Trevor:you can claim, well, it must have been a fraudulent election.
Trevor:And if the New York Times wanted to, they could have found plenty
Trevor:of polls that were suggesting that Maduro would win by the margin that
Trevor:Maduro is claiming to have won by.
Trevor:By Monday afternoon, the Venezuelan government announced it had kicked out
Trevor:the diplomatic missions of seven Latin American countries that had condemned
Trevor:the official electoral results.
Trevor:Well, if people are saying that you are there fraudulently and they don't
Trevor:recognise the election You probably would kick them out of your country.
Trevor:It goes on.
Trevor:The opposition leader, Maria Carina Machado, announced on Monday evening
Trevor:that her movement had received paper tallies from 73 percent of
Trevor:the country's voting stations and refuted the government's claims.
Trevor:Those tallies showed that Maduro's opponent, Gonzalez, had received 3.
Trevor:5 million more votes than the president.
Trevor:Dear listener, as will be revealed later, Machado's basically relying on
Trevor:her own people in the counting rooms, just phoning through to her head
Trevor:office what they say the count is.
Trevor:And, of course, it's open for these people to either make mistakes.
Trevor:Or, just lie.
Trevor:It goes on, The move by the Electoral Authority to declare victory but
Trevor:not release detailed voting results, which it had routinely done in
Trevor:past elections, intensified the sense among many Venezuelans and
Trevor:international observers that the election had essentially been stolen.
Trevor:Dear listener, over 900 international observers present at the election,
Trevor:and to my knowledge, none of them has complained about the process.
Trevor:The complaints from international observers were not from the official
Trevor:observers who were visiting the polling booths, and in most cases, are observers
Trevor:who weren't even in the country.
Trevor:And if you were trying to be genuine in your journalism, you would have
Trevor:made the point That, that claim is contradicted by hundreds of other
Trevor:independent observers who say that the election was conducted properly.
Trevor:We'll get to that.
Trevor:Further on, it says, the disputed election put renewed attention on the Biden's
Trevor:administrations, blah, blah, blah.
Trevor:The disputed election, well, it's disputed because the opposition were
Trevor:always going to dispute the election.
Trevor:Anyway, what we'll move on to now is the actual voting process
Trevor:in the Venezuelan election.
Trevor:And here is a clip from Jimmy Carter back in 2012 talking about the process.
Jimmy Carter:They have a very wonderful voting system where you go in and you
Jimmy Carter:touch the screen and vote the way you want to and instantly that touchscreen result
Jimmy Carter:is recorded and can be transmitted to you.
Jimmy Carter:Electronically into the central counting headquarters, but it also prints out a
Jimmy Carter:paper ballot and when you get through voting, you can not only have voted
Jimmy Carter:electronically, but you can look at the paper ballot and make sure that's
Jimmy Carter:the way that you wanted to vote.
Jimmy Carter:Then you put the paper ballot in a box and you can go back and check the results
Jimmy Carter:later on if there's any doubt about it.
Jimmy Carter:As a matter 92 elections that we've monitored, I would say
Jimmy Carter:that the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world.
Trevor:So to expand upon this voting process, I'm now going to play a clip
Trevor:from Alan McLeod, who was one of the observers, and he will confirm and provide
Trevor:a bit more detail about how it works.
Alan Macleod:In order to vote, Venezuelans need to produce their
Alan Macleod:national ID card, and then that is, uh, the picture on that is then checked
Alan Macleod:against them from a voting official.
Alan Macleod:If that passes, they then go to a fingerprint machine, where they
Alan Macleod:have to give their thumbprint onto a machine that should match
Alan Macleod:the one that's on the records.
Alan Macleod:And if both of those things match, they're allowed to vote on an electronic voting
Alan Macleod:system, which resembles a computer.
Alan Macleod:Once they've voted on that machine, the computer spits out a paper ballot,
Alan Macleod:the voter must check the paper ballot, the paper ballot's got a barcode on
Alan Macleod:it, some numbers, and the candidate.
Alan Macleod:If that is correct, they then proceed to put that piece of paper in the box.
Alan Macleod:Not only that, once they have voted, they also have to sign an electoral
Alan Macleod:register to say they have voted, and they also have to, uh, put their
Alan Macleod:thumb in an inkwell and then put their thumbprint on a piece of paper.
Alan Macleod:So there are many, many checks and balances there to make sure
Alan Macleod:there's no vote of fraud or any kind of, um, impersonation going on.
Alan Macleod:At the end of the day, all the, the, uh, electronic results which
Alan Macleod:have been sent to head office in Caracas are then, um, checked against
Alan Macleod:the paper ballots that are there.
Alan Macleod:The paper ballots are counted in front of representatives of
Alan Macleod:the community and of Caracas.
Alan Macleod:different political parties, those paper ballots have to match 100 percent to
Alan Macleod:the electronic results that the CNE, the National Electoral Council, has.
Alan Macleod:If there is even a discrepancy of even one vote, that triggers a massive
Alan Macleod:audit and all hell breaks loose.
Alan Macleod:The 2013 election, which is the one I know best apart from this
Alan Macleod:2024 election, the electronic vote was correct to a percentage of 99.
Alan Macleod:98 percent and that was because 22 people across Venezuela.
Alan Macleod:and voted on the machines but not put their paper ballot in the box.
Trevor:Fascinating, I think you'll agree.
Trevor:An electronic vote that allows for a quick count and then generating a paper vote
Trevor:that can be manually counted to double check the electronic one and massive
Trevor:sort of identification checks so that you can't have somebody voting twice.
Trevor:Now, to give you the full picture, the Carter Center has put out a
Trevor:statement saying that the 2024 Venezuelan presidential election
Trevor:did not meet international standards of electoral integrity
Trevor:and cannot be considered democratic.
Trevor:Their main complaints were in relation to the lead up to the election in terms
Trevor:of Opposition members not allowed to participate, and not having access to
Trevor:funding, and the government being at an advantage in that respect, in that the
Trevor:government had overwhelmingly positive coverage on television and radio.
Trevor:But when it comes to the actual voting at voting booths on the day, They
Trevor:pretty much conceded it was okay.
Trevor:I'll read the relevant paragraph which was, Still, Venezuelan citizens turned
Trevor:out peacefully and in large numbers to express their will on election day.
Trevor:Despite reports of restrictions on access to many polling centres for
Trevor:domestic observers and opposition party witnesses, potential pressure on the
Trevor:voters such as ruling party checkpoints in the vicinity of voting centres, and
Trevor:incidents of tension or violence reported in some localities, voting appeared to
Trevor:take place in a generally civil manner.
Trevor:Now those claims of intimidation will be dealt with by other observers.
Trevor:And we really have to ask, well, who is the Kennedy,
Trevor:sorry, who is the Carter Center?
Trevor:And how does that fit with what Jimmy Carter was saying?
Trevor:And I think we've really reached the point where, um, the Center is no longer
Trevor:under the influence of Jimmy Carter.
Trevor:It's in fact, um, funded by the U.
Trevor:S.
Trevor:State Department, CIA front, U.
Trevor:S.
Trevor:aid, uh, the U.
Trevor:K.
Trevor:and the E.
Trevor:U.
Trevor:which have backed coup attempts in Venezuela.
Trevor:So it's probably not surprising that the Carter Center, funded by the US State
Trevor:Department, who's trying to conduct a coup, uh, wasn't happy with the election.
Trevor:But you can take all that into account.
Trevor:At least I'm giving you both sides of the story.
Trevor:Let's have a listen to what some other international observers had to say.
Interviewer:We're going to get comment from Nina Farnia, legal
Interviewer:historian at Albany Law School.
Interviewer:You're just back from Venezuela.
Interviewer:You were an observer with the National Lawyers Guild.
Interviewer:If you can talk about what you saw and respond to, um, uh, Edgardo Lander.
Nina:Well, we thank you for having me on, Amy.
Nina:What we witnessed, by and large, was a free and fair election process, which
Nina:explains why former President Jimmy Carter once called this system the
Nina:best electoral system in the world.
Nina:We were part of a large international delegation of election monitors that
Nina:included members of the African Union and the Latin American Election experts.
Nina:And we were quarantined with the rest of our delegation in
Nina:a hotel that was separate from all the political activities.
Nina:We attended days of trainings about the Venezuelan electoral system,
Nina:about the laws that protect it.
Nina:And then we were taken, prior to the elections, we were taken to polling
Nina:stations around the country where we saw the touchscreen voting machines.
Nina:We saw the ballot boxes for the paper ballots.
Nina:We met the directors of each voting center on the day of the election,
Nina:our NLG delegation had the privilege of interviewing voters as they were
Nina:going in and out of the voting room.
Nina:And we also interviewed members of each of the parties that were there to monitor
Nina:the elections, the polling stations.
Nina:We also interviewed opposition voters.
Nina:We didn't hear.
Nina:Any concerns from any voters or observers.
Nina:Every single person that we spoke with said that this is a free and fair process.
Nina:They had faith in the system.
Nina:And, in fact, what we saw was a ton of energy around each of
Nina:the stations that we visited.
Nina:People were proud to vote.
Nina:They take that, They take, they view voting as a pillar
Nina:of the Venezuelan democracy and of the Bolivarian revolution.
Trevor:So I've mentioned a couple of times that a key complaint by
Trevor:Maduro's opponents is that the vote that Maduro claims doesn't match the
Trevor:polling that was done and therefore it must have been fraudulent, meaning
Trevor:the election, not the polling.
Trevor:And Nina Fania has something to say about that.
Nina:Yeah, so, um, exit polling is illegal in Venezuela because it has
Nina:the effect of, um, altering votes.
Nina:Um, and also a lot of the polling results that were, um, used in the U.
Nina:S.
Nina:media, the polling predictions that were used in the U.
Nina:S.
Nina:media, uh, were discredited by Venezuela Analysis, a trusted
Nina:news source in Venezuela that has also been Maduro government.
Nina:We actually are very concerned by the claim that Gonzalez has won.
Nina:Gonzalez was a diplomat in Venezuela, a Venezuelan diplomat in El Salvador
Nina:during the Salvadoran death squads.
Nina:He was number two stationed there.
Nina:He has blood on his hands.
Nina:He has Salvadoran blood on his hands.
Nina:And so the idea that the Venezuelans would support a government that
Nina:would support a government A president who, uh, executed U.
Nina:S.
Nina:foreign policy in El Salvador decades ago, uh, is shocking to us.
Nina:Uh, it's up ultimately to the Supreme Court to decide.
Nina:The Venezuelan government, according to the laws that we learned about while we
Nina:were there, has 30 days to release the tallies from the day of the election.
Nina:We're not even at 10 days yet.
Trevor:Yeah, I mentioned, um, the US and the CIA have a habit of picking
Trevor:nasty characters for their coup attempts.
Trevor:And, um, yeah, during the years in which Edmundo Gonzalez was collaborating with
Trevor:the CIA out of the Venezuelan embassy in San Salvador, The Salvadoran army
Trevor:and far right paramilitaries tortured and massacred over 13, 000 civilians.
Trevor:Uh, she concludes,
Nina:The Venezuelan people, it looks like, based on our perceptions
Nina:of the process, of the election process, chose President Maduro.
Nina:But to the extent that there's Disagreement about what actually
Nina:happened, the Supreme Court should be allowed to decide.
Trevor:South Africa had a delegation and I'll just read parts of their statement.
Trevor:Over 15 South African election observers are currently in Caracas.
Trevor:As part of a total of 910 observers from more than 95 countries.
Trevor:The observers condemn and dispel allegations of fraud by the Reuters
Trevor:media group reporting on the elections taking place in Venezuela
Trevor:without actually being present.
Trevor:Claims or allegations of fraud have been found to be baseless and mischievous.
Trevor:With Venezuela's electoral system considered one of the best in the world.
Trevor:The fact is that international election observers, that include South Africans,
Trevor:have witnessed a free and fair process.
Trevor:The presidential elections in Venezuela started smoothly and were
Trevor:incident free throughout the day.
Trevor:Observers from 100 countries, including Several African nations have been spending
Trevor:the day at various polling stations in all 23 states across the country.
Trevor:South African observers have noted the efficiency, transparency and
Trevor:fairness of Venezuela's elections.
Trevor:There are 16, 025 voting stations across the country that use state of
Trevor:the art biometric voting machines.
Trevor:The voting machines have a paper ballot backup system that runs
Trevor:concurrently with an audit that takes place immediately after the elections.
Trevor:The audit is done publicly and takes place on 54 percent of all voting machines.
Trevor:All parties witness the sign off on results at voting centres and each
Trevor:party has to enter its unique encrypted key to validate the final tally.
Trevor:We with other international observers await the official results.
Trevor:Here again is Alan MacLeod who was one of the observers.
Alan Macleod:We spoke to dozens of people, opposition supporters who told
Alan Macleod:us that they hated Maduro, government supporters who said that they loved
Alan Macleod:Maduro, government supporters that said that they didn't like Maduro but they
Alan Macleod:were voting for him anyway because he was better than the opposition candidate.
Alan Macleod:So there's a very wide range of people we talked to.
Alan Macleod:We even in one central Caracas voting station talked to the lady who was
Alan Macleod:in charge of the entire operation in that centre and she told us openly.
Alan Macleod:To me and election observers from Zambia, South Africa, and the United
Alan Macleod:States who were with me at the time, she told us openly that she was a member
Alan Macleod:of the opposition, that she hated the government, that she thought the economy
Alan Macleod:was in shambles, and she was only doing this because she needed the money.
Alan Macleod:Nevertheless, she said that the voting system, she had complete confidence in
Alan Macleod:it, and we spoke to lots of election officials that day, and the two words
Alan Macleod:that came up constantly were tranquillo, which means calm, and fluido, which could
Alan Macleod:mean smooth or fluid in that process.
Trevor:And finally, uh, Roger D.
Trevor:Harris, an observer from Task Force on the Americas.
Trevor:Spent the day observing electoral centres in Miranda State.
Trevor:He and others told Mint Press that opposition supporters were perfectly
Trevor:happy to publicly announce their allegiances and express their
Trevor:grievances with the government.
Trevor:Despite their opposition to socialism, most retained
Trevor:confidence in the electoral system.
Trevor:Okay, so now, knowing that the voting system is fair and transparent, and
Trevor:assuming the public understands that Machado is a traitor who welcomed US
Trevor:intervention in the country and regime change, and knowing that Gonzalez
Trevor:is involved, or was involved, in CIA assassinations, You'd surely have to
Trevor:accept that it's more than plausible that perhaps more than 50 percent
Trevor:of the population did actually vote for Maduro in the election, without
Trevor:any interference being necessary.
Trevor:Anyway, the possibility is still open that while the votes were Cast in a
Trevor:solid system that somewhere in the counting of that, the Maduro government
Trevor:has done a dodgy count of some sort.
Trevor:But what we've got is we've got an electronic count that gets sent almost
Trevor:immediately to a central counting house.
Trevor:What they would normally do is say, from this particular
Trevor:district, we got these votes.
Trevor:And they can then do a physical count of the paper votes at that
Trevor:district house and confirm that it matches what the electronic count is.
Trevor:And the opposition is involved in that physical count of the paper ballots.
Trevor:So it sounds like a system that's hard to rig, What's happened at this point is
Trevor:that the government has not published the individual counts for these small, um, you
Trevor:know, sort of voting booths, if you like.
Trevor:And the reason they say is that their website has been hit by, uh,
Trevor:attack, which has denied service.
Trevor:And the opposition doesn't deny that because they've actually cheered
Trevor:the fact that it happened on.
Trevor:So I'll probably just try and deal now with how the opposition is claiming
Trevor:it's done its own count and is three and a half million votes ahead.
Trevor:Here again is Alan MacLeod.
Alan Macleod:So, uh, over here, the opposition has been claiming fraud.
Alan Macleod:They claim that their candidate, Edmundo Gonzalez, actually received more than 70
Alan Macleod:percent of the vote, and they've basically got two sources of information for that.
Alan Macleod:Number one is a, an American, uh, polling firm.
Alan Macleod:This polling firm has, um, got extensive links with the U.
Alan Macleod:S.
Alan Macleod:government and even the CIA, so we have to take some of their
Alan Macleod:results with a grain of salt.
Alan Macleod:Edmundo Gonzalez, as I said earlier, called on his supporters to go out on
Alan Macleod:the streets and defend their victory, and what that has meant in practice
Alan Macleod:has meant Tens of thousands of people going out at night and setting fires
Alan Macleod:to things, attacking police, burning down pharmacies, burning buildings.
Alan Macleod:Even we saw in one city that a hospital was, a hospital was set on fire.
Alan Macleod:These, as I said, are political targets.
Alan Macleod:They're not going after businesses or whatever.
Alan Macleod:They are going after Very politicized targets like hospitals and schools.
Alan Macleod:And so they, they hate the fact that they have to walk past these things every day,
Alan Macleod:especially when they're called things like the Hugo Chavez maternity clinic.
Interviewer:But I think one of the interesting things this time around
Interviewer:is that the opposition says they actually have the voting rolls.
Interviewer:Uh, and that they've started to, to publish some of those online.
Alan Macleod:Yeah.
Alan Macleod:So the way the opposition's methodology works was they sent their supporters to
Alan Macleod:every polling station in the country, uh, to watch the election, uh, results and
Alan Macleod:to count the ballots themselves, or at least watch the ballots being counted.
Alan Macleod:And what they did was they had representatives looking at every
Alan Macleod:single table in the country.
Alan Macleod:And those representatives would then send WhatsApp messages.
Alan Macleod:On a group chat, which had all the, um, the, the information about the voters and
Alan Macleod:how many people voted for each candidate, and then that would be tabulated by
Alan Macleod:some sort of central opposition, uh, organization in Caracas, and then they
Alan Macleod:would have their own figures to publish.
Alan Macleod:As you said, this happened at exactly the same time that the CNA
Alan Macleod:and the National Electoral Council.
Alan Macleod:Uh, their website got hacked and was taken down.
Alan Macleod:So, frankly, I think the opposition's methodology, you know, um, it, it, it
Alan Macleod:lacks quite a lot, you know, because this is based on Humans reporting
Alan Macleod:exactly what they saw, and if any of them get their, their figures wrong,
Alan Macleod:or are just frankly being, uh, you know, are frankly lying, then the
Alan Macleod:entire process, you know, goes to pot.
Alan Macleod:So, the opposition's, um, numbers are basically based on their own supporters
Alan Macleod:self reporting what each voting table, um, what each voting machine spits out.
Alan Macleod:And, of course, we're going to have a situation that, as I said, if any of
Alan Macleod:them get are not being entirely truthful, then the whole process, uh, falls apart.
Trevor:Okay, so time now to look at the media treatment of all of this.
Trevor:And first up is a Guardian article that Hugh Harris sent to me.
Trevor:And fortunately enough, Alan MacLeod had already done a response to the article.
Trevor:So I'll just Rely on Alan's words here.
Trevor:This is an article in The Guardian entitled, Evidence shows
Trevor:Venezuela's election was stolen.
Trevor:But will Maduro budge?
Trevor:Written by Tiago Ruggiero, South American correspondent.
Trevor:And the first few paragraphs are, It is not new for Maduro
Trevor:to be accused of attempting to steal a presidential election.
Trevor:But the evidence for such allegations has never been quite so overwhelming.
Trevor:Analysis carried out by the opposition, academics and media organisations have
Trevor:offered strong evidence to suggest that Venezuelan president, uh, that
Trevor:the Venezuelan president lost by a landslide, as Alan McLeod says.
Trevor:What is the evidence?
Trevor:Oh, it's analysis carried out by the opposition itself.
Trevor:As well as hearsay from sympathetic academics.
Trevor:He makes the point.
Trevor:Let's also not inform readers that there were actually nine opposition
Trevor:candidates running against Maduro, and that only Gonzalez refused to
Trevor:say he would accept the results.
Trevor:The article goes on.
Trevor:A number of countries Gonzalez's victory.
Trevor:Alan McLeod points out that number is four countries, all of them
Trevor:right wing Latin American nations.
Trevor:Even the United States has walked back its Gonzalez claims, and the Biden
Trevor:administration clarified it has not recognised Gonzalez as the victor.
Trevor:Last time McLeod checked, more than 40 countries had endorsed
Trevor:Maduro, over 10 times as many that have recognised Gonzalez.
Trevor:Yet, through this verbal sleight of hand, um, the Guardian's presenting
Trevor:Mizzouro as isolated, and the extremist denialist position as mainstream.
Trevor:The article goes on, For now at least, the incumbent clings to power,
Trevor:having pulled off what one expert has described as the largest electoral
Trevor:fraud in Latin America's history.
Trevor:I love this response from Alan McLeod.
Trevor:I checked this quote, and it's not from an expert at all, but from another
Trevor:Guardian journalist, Tom Phillips.
Trevor:Tom Phillips is notorious among Latin Americans for being perhaps the most
Trevor:clueless gringo on the continent.
Trevor:One example of this was his shock that Lula did not endorse Juan Guaido, as he
Trevor:thought they shared the same ideology.
Trevor:He also spent years promoting Guaido.
Trevor:Parroted CIA talking points, whitewashing the far right coup in Bolivia in 2019
Trevor:and supporting the law fair campaign against Lula and Dilma in Brazil.
Trevor:That's the expert that this clown has relied on.
Trevor:The article goes on.
Trevor:Independent observers agree that this election was never
Trevor:going to be fair and free.
Trevor:From the start, the electoral process was plagued by irregularities,
Trevor:according to the Venezuelan NGO Transparencia Electoral.
Trevor:Alan McLeod points out that that NGO, Transparencia Electoral,
Trevor:is presented as an independent observer, but it's anything but that.
Trevor:The chief, Delgado, who sits on the company's board, is simultaneously
Trevor:the national communication and media coordinator of CIMATE.
Trevor:And ATE is opposition Leader, Machado's phony election monitoring Organization.
Trevor:And ATE is funded by the CAA through the National Endowment for Democracy, ned.
Trevor:So he's represented that organization as an independent observer and as
Trevor:McLeod says, not telling readers this.
Trevor:and presenting it merely as an independent observer is active
Trevor:disinformation and propaganda and constitutes a crime against journalism.
Trevor:The article goes on.
Trevor:The list ranges from blocking candidates from running, such as the opposition
Trevor:leader Machado, who was then replaced by Gonzalez, to making it virtually
Trevor:Venezuelans living abroad to vote.
Trevor:And McLeod's response is that corporate media loves to constantly tell readers
Trevor:that she's been banned from standing.
Trevor:Because it feeds into the sort of dictator holding onto power narrative.
Trevor:But they never tell you why she was barred.
Trevor:She was blocked from running because for years, she toured the world attempting to
Trevor:organise a US led invasion of Venezuela.
Trevor:She supported the 2002 coup against Chavez, led waves of terrorist violence
Trevor:against Venezuela that targeted schools, hospitals, universities, and, um, that
Trevor:violence killed huge numbers of people, cost billions of dollars of damage,
Trevor:and in any other country, she would have spent the rest of her life in
Trevor:prison, if not having been executed.
Trevor:But in Venezuela, her primary punishment is that she can't hold
Trevor:office for a certain time period.
Trevor:The article goes on, Dozens of opposition members were arrested
Trevor:during the campaign, and international observers were either blocked or
Trevor:disinvited from monitoring the vote.
Trevor:McLeod responds, There were over 900 international observers
Trevor:from 100 plus countries.
Trevor:And that votes in Venezuela are among the most intensely
Trevor:monitored in the entire world.
Trevor:He says, As for being banned, I assume the Guardian is talking about the
Trevor:European Union, who were disinvited.
Trevor:But the EU is actively trying to topple the Maduro government
Trevor:and is clearly a bad actor.
Trevor:Why would any government invite groups it knows are trying to undermine and
Trevor:topple it to monitor proceedings?
Trevor:The article goes on, After years of economic decline, an
Trevor:unprecedented humanitarian crisis that has spurred about 8 million
Trevor:Venezuelans to leave the country.
Trevor:Opinion polls indicated a strong lead for Gonzalez, and MacLeod
Trevor:responds, What opinion polls?
Trevor:Many opposition aligned pollsters, like Machado's Samate, are directly
Trevor:funded and supported by the CIA, and are therefore extremely dubious.
Trevor:In fact, these US funded pollsters exist to present the government as collapsing
Trevor:in order to give Western media supposedly credible polls to cite, showing the
Trevor:government's about to fall, so when it does win the election, they can cry fraud.
Trevor:Some of these polling organisations have been off up to 60 points.
Trevor:in previous elections.
Trevor:Yet they continue to be cited as credible experts.
Trevor:There were plenty of polls from Venezuela showing Maduro would win
Trevor:comfortably, or even by a landslide.
Trevor:Why do western media never cite them?
Trevor:It's obvious, because that would run contrary to their
Trevor:regime change narratives.
Trevor:And so they are ignored.
Trevor:Now, I just um, gave you the clip that demonstrated how the opposition
Trevor:relied on WhatsApp messaging to tabulate their own figures.
Trevor:And in the Guardian article, it says, US officials concurred that
Trevor:it would have been nearly impossible for the opposition to falsify
Trevor:the voting tallies it published.
Trevor:As McLeod says, presenting the opinion of the State Department
Trevor:uncritically is laughable.
Trevor:When it comes to Venezuela, they've spent a quarter of a century
Trevor:trying to overthrow the government.
Trevor:They've constantly lied.
Trevor:No self respecting journalist would present their claims at face value.
Trevor:And the idea that it would be impossible for the opposition to falsify the voting
Trevor:tallies via its WhatsApp messaging?
Trevor:I mean, it would be funny if it wasn't so serious.
Trevor:Further on, further on in the article, Meanwhile, diplomatic
Trevor:pressure from countries such as the U.
Trevor:S., which has recognized Gonzalez as the winner, actually,
Trevor:no it didn't, is important.
Trevor:So, as Alan MacLeod sums it up, this article, A masterclass in
Trevor:misdirection, selective sourcing, lying by omission, and misleading factoids.
Trevor:So there you go, Hugh Harris, that article did not convince me to change my mind.
Trevor:But I know that, despite all of this, I probably haven't
Trevor:changed yours, but that's okay.
Trevor:I remember I used to argue with the 12th Man about journalists having
Trevor:to succumb to the ideology of the newspaper they were working for.
Trevor:And, The Twelfth Man just would not accept that and, um, no matter
Trevor:how hard I tried to convince him.
Trevor:Anyway, if you're wondering how we get articles like this one from The Guardian,
Trevor:then here is a lengthy excerpt from an interview with Alan MacLeod, but it's
Trevor:incredibly instructive as the final point to this whole episode with Venezuela.
Alan Macleod:So I did my PhD about the media coverage of Venezuela,
Alan Macleod:and then I produced a book and five peer reviewed academic articles
Alan Macleod:on the subject of Venezuela.
Alan Macleod:And what I found, uh, was, number one, I found an extraordinary slant and
Alan Macleod:bias against the country and towards presenting it as a dictatorship, ignoring
Alan Macleod:any progressive changes that were going on and constantly demonizing it.
Alan Macleod:That was overwhelming from both conservative and liberal media, and
Alan Macleod:both American and British media.
Alan Macleod:So that's the first thing I found, but perhaps the more interesting
Alan Macleod:story is why this was going on.
Alan Macleod:And in order to explain that and understand that question, I actually
Alan Macleod:talked to the majority of journalists who were producing content on
Alan Macleod:Venezuela for the Western audience.
Alan Macleod:That actually wasn't very hard because there's quite a small number of Western
Alan Macleod:journalists that produce pretty much all the news you hear out of this country.
Alan Macleod:Nowadays there's only one newspaper with a full time correspondent
Alan Macleod:in Venezuela, that's the New York Times with Anatoly Kremlinaev.
Alan Macleod:I interviewed Kermanayev many years ago now, and he was completely
Alan Macleod:open about what he was doing.
Alan Macleod:So, uh, I have him on record saying that he describes himself as a mercenary for
Alan Macleod:hire, and he and his colleagues, and that he intentionally plants false or grossly
Alan Macleod:exaggerated stories about Venezuela into Western media because he has an agenda.
Alan Macleod:He called this tactic Sexy Tricks, and he gave me one example of this.
Alan Macleod:He printed a story, he got a story published that condoms
Alan Macleod:in Venezuela cost 750.
Alan Macleod:Now, he accepted that this was completely nonsense.
Alan Macleod:But he said that this was, you know, this story went viral across
Alan Macleod:the world and it played into this.
Alan Macleod:Venezuela is a ludicrous failed state, tin pop dictatorship, hyperinflation, etc.
Alan Macleod:But yeah, he said that this wasn't the case and indeed it wasn't.
Alan Macleod:Actually, when I looked into a box of condoms in Venezuela, it cost
Alan Macleod:8, which I actually think that's slightly cheaper than in the US.
Alan Macleod:So there was no real enormous.
Alan Macleod:You know, uh, Shortage or, uh, Mad Pricing.
Alan Macleod:But people would do that deliberately, uh, in fact journalists,
Alan Macleod:because they had an agenda.
Alan Macleod:And I also spoke to other journalists that said that inside their newsroom they
Alan Macleod:called themselves, quote, the resistance, end quote, to Chavez and now Maduro.
Alan Macleod:That's how they talk about them.
Alan Macleod:Another journalist said that other, uh, People in his newsroom said
Alan Macleod:that we have to quote, get rid of this guy, meaning Chavez, end quote.
Alan Macleod:Um, so journalists were completely open about, uh, what their, their position was.
Alan Macleod:They were the ideological tip of the spear trying to destroy socialism in its cradle.
Alan Macleod:Other journalists who were quite critical of the coverage, and once
Alan Macleod:they were out, started blowing the whistle, told me that, um, they felt
Alan Macleod:that they had to self censor constantly.
Alan Macleod:So, one journalist who worked for the Financial Times told me that
Alan Macleod:the stuff that he wrote in his book, he knew, would never, ever get
Alan Macleod:published in the Financial Times.
Alan Macleod:And so he didn't even bother pitching it after a while.
Alan Macleod:He just constantly got knocked back, and he stopped pitching,
Alan Macleod:and he just started complying.
Alan Macleod:He said it was complete self censorship.
Alan Macleod:That's what he said.
Alan Macleod:And, uh, yeah, other journalists said that they had to temper what they wrote because
Alan Macleod:they knew their editors didn't like that.
Alan Macleod:And there were people who were allied to the opposition, local Venezuelans,
Alan Macleod:that they worked with in the newsroom.
Alan Macleod:So, uh, There was this extremely partisan sense in, uh, sense in the newsroom.
Alan Macleod:Western journalists overwhelmingly live in the east side of Caracas, they
Alan Macleod:live in gated communities, they have armed guards, they have servants, uh,
Alan Macleod:a lot of them don't speak Spanish.
Alan Macleod:And very few of them venture into the dilapidated slums of, uh, Caracas, which,
Alan Macleod:uh, are bastions of government support.
Alan Macleod:And so everyone they interact with on a daily basis, uh, hates the
Alan Macleod:government and loves the opposition.
Alan Macleod:And so they start to imbibe that, and that's the content they produce.
Alan Macleod:And so, yeah, ultimately It really is a story of Venezuela being the ground
Alan Macleod:zero for journalism in the sense that it is a fantastic case study that shows
Alan Macleod:that journalists job, if you work in corporate media, is not to present
Alan Macleod:the truth, but it is to Push the agenda of the owners and advertisers
Alan Macleod:of big, uh, corporate media outlets.
Alan Macleod:So that is the billionaire class.
Alan Macleod:And so truth goes out the window when you're fighting an information war.
Alan Macleod:And Venezuela is the perfect example of that.
Alan Macleod:Truth has just completely escaped, just been totally defenestrated
Alan Macleod:when it comes to this country and propaganda reigns supreme.
Trevor:And Alan MacLeod finishes off that interview talking about Critical
Trevor:thinking, he says, ultimately we need to develop critical media literacy skills.
Trevor:We always have to be constantly analysing everything we read,
Trevor:asking, where does it come from?
Trevor:Who is writing it?
Trevor:What is their agenda?
Trevor:Who is funding this organisation?
Trevor:All sorts of questions like that.
Trevor:Why are they saying it like this?
Trevor:Why are they choosing those words?
Trevor:What is the point of this article?
Trevor:What are they trying to get me to believe here?
Trevor:So, I'm not saying Maduro is a saint, or even a good guy, and it may well
Trevor:turn out at some point that there's some corruption or something funny
Trevor:goes on in the counting of the votes.
Trevor:I don't know, but it's also quite possible that just a majority
Trevor:of Venezuelans voted for him.
Trevor:And hopefully, next time you read an article or hear something that just gives
Trevor:one side of the story without alerting people to the possibility of the other
Trevor:side of the story, then discount heavily that news source when it comes to other
Trevor:matters that you might hear from them.
Trevor:Anyway, that's enough of a rant.
Trevor:I've got that off my chest.
Trevor:Probably won't have to address Venezuela until the next election.
Trevor:I don't know.
Trevor:Anyway, I'll be back with the usual crew next week.
Trevor:And we'll rant about other things.
Trevor:Uh, talk to you then.
Trevor:Bye.