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Hello dear listener, welcome to another episode of the

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Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.

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This one, a special episode.

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It's just me, Solo, ranting about Venezuela and the recent election and

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the media treatment of that election.

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Those of you who have listened to this podcast for many years would recognize

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that every so often I get a Venezuelan itch that I have to scratch and I've

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reached that point on this occasion again.

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I've um, I've done lots of stories about Venezuela in the past and

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I think what people may say or be curious and think, why Trevor, why

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are you so obsessed with Venezuela?

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And the answer is when I was 19 I I spent, um, three months in the

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States and Canada, three months in Central America backpacking, and three

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months in, in parts of South America.

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I never got to Venezuela, but I did, you know, obviously gain an interest and an

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affinity with Latin American culture.

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And so, that would partly explain my interest in Venezuela, and over the

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years we've done different stories.

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I'm pretty sure I did a whole episode with Hugh Harris, and I was trying to find out

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which number it was, but uh, I couldn't find it, but um, I'm going to get the

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archives of this podcast better organized.

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Anyway.

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Um, I was going to do a story on Venezuela and then Hugh Harris actually sent me a

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Guardian article and asked whether, the article of course was anti Maduro and he

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sort of asked whether I had changed my opinion on Venezuela and uh, so I thought

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well, I'll respond to that article and to Venezuelan affairs in general and

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I think it's going to be a long one.

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So, settle in.

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Anyway.

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Look, um, at the end of the day, it's very hazy as to exactly what goes on in

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Venezuela, but there are lots of good reasons and lots of evidence as to why

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we shouldn't accept the mainstream view.

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If you don't want to listen to two or three hours of this episode and just want

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to get the TLDR, too long, didn't read, summation of what I'm about to say, it's

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going to go something like this, that everybody knows that the USA is trying

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to conduct regime change in Venezuela.

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The USA admits that and everybody knows it.

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Everybody also knows that the standard program of regime change

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is to, to create disinformation and to cause havoc in a country.

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And that means that a lot of what we hear in relation to what's

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going on, can't be trusted.

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And we know that's the case from, from so much experience about what's previously

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happened in Venezuela and what's previously happened in other countries.

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So, so we know they want to do regime change.

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We know that a key component of that is manufacturing disinformation and mistrust,

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and even the most rabid opponents of the Maduro government basically

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admit that the actual voting process of people going to polls and voting.

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is a legitimate process, and that's backed up by the observations of

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over 900 international observers.

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So the creation of, of voting ballots is not really disputed.

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So the, the allegations that it hasn't been a democratic process in this

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particular election revolve around a couple of The first is that key

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opposition members were banned from participating as candidates, and the

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second aspect revolves around the delay in the release of the counts.

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The Maduro government claims, and this is not disputed by the opposition,

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that the website for the Venezuelan Electoral Commission was hit with a

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cyber attack, which meant that it had to be shut down, and they're trying to

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work their way through restoring the website to publish the data, and it's

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now reached the stage where The sort of auditing and verification process is

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being handed over to the Supreme Court.

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The opposition claims that they've got their own unofficial count, which

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shows that the opposition clearly won.

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But as we go through this, I think you may agree with me that

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that's complete BS on their part.

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So that's, uh, where we're headed and there's lots of details to fill in.

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And so I'm going to start with looking at, um, a bit of history

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of US intervention in Venezuela.

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And then we're going to look at some of the players involved, in

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particular the opposition leaders.

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We're going to look at international reaction to the election, who

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is happy with it and who's not.

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We're going to look at who was observing the election and what

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did they think of the process.

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Then we're going to move into the most important part, which will be an article

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in The Guardian where a journalist is quite scathing of Maduro's claims

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to have won the election, and we're really going to examine whether that

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was a good piece of journalism or not.

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Spoiler alert, it was not.

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And then There is an interview with Alan McLeod, who was one of the

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observers, he'll talk about the process.

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And right at the end of that interview, and right at the end of that interview,

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we'll get to the key takeaway of this entire matter, which is, how is it that

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so many Western media outlets are prepared to, to publish what is a very one sided

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and misleading view of what's going on.

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It turns out to be a classic example of manufacturing consent, um, a Noam

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Chomsky concept, which is probably also going to annoy Hugh Harris

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when he listens to this episode.

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But anyway, that's where we're heading.

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Lots of details to fill in.

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I hope you enjoy the ride.

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Okay.

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USA involvement in regime change throughout the world.

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Please, if you doubt that the USA is conducting coups all over the world,

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and has been conducting them, if you doubt that, then just stop listening.

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Because you've got a lot of homework to do.

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Anyway, I believe the USA when it says it's trying to conduct

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regime change in Venezuela.

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I've got a few clips.

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Here's one of Donald Trump.

Trump:

When I left, Venezuela was ready to collapse.

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We would have taken it over.

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We would have gotten all that oil.

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It would have been right next door.

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Trump had a National Security Advisor from 2018 to

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2019 called John Robert Bolton.

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Here's what he had to say in an interview.

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I don't know that I agree with you, to be, to be, uh,

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fair, with all due respect, uh, one doesn't have to be brilliant to attempt

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a coup.

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Uh, I disagree with that, as somebody who has helped plan coup d'etat, not here,

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but, you know, other places, uh, it takes a lot of work, and that's not what he did.

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When we were

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talking about what is capable, what you need to

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do to be able to plan a coup.

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And you, you cited your expertise having planned coups.

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I'm not going

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to get into the specifics, but, uh, Successful coups?

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Well, I wrote about Venezuela in, uh, in the book and, uh, it, it

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turned out not to be successful.

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Not that we had all that much to do with it, but I saw what it took for

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an opposition to try and overturn an illegally elected president.

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I don't know.

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Are

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you going to, listener?

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I mean, if you want to conduct a coup, it's, it's not as easy as it looks.

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Let's look at the playbook for one.

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For the USA when it wants to, uh, conduct a coup.

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First off, would be to impose trading and financial sanctions

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on the subject country.

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That will create economic stress on the local population, and they'll

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be angry, and a lot of the time, will blame their government, and

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not necessarily the government.

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the USA.

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But in any event, they get stressed, they get unhappy,

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and they want things to change.

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And they start thinking a government change would be good.

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So sanctions are great because they cause economic stress and hardship.

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The next thing the US needs to do is find a local US friendly puppet who

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they can support and maneuver into the position to claim control of the country.

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The USA then funnels money to that opposition entity and helps

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transmit propaganda through media, think tanks and NGOs.

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The propaganda of course will be critical of the government, blame it

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for all of the economic problems and promote the alternative opposition.

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One of the final steps is to employ and encourage goon squads

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to riot and revolt in the streets.

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If the opposition puppet is part of the military, then

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you're almost home and hosed.

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And if any elections are conducted in the meantime, before you can

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physically gain control of government buildings, then those elections will be

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denounced as undemocratic and corrupt.

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If you doubt any of that, I invite you to read All the Shah's Men,

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which describes how Kermit Roosevelt, working for the CIA, engineered

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a coup in Iran against Mossadegh.

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He more or less created a blueprint which the USA copied all around the world.

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And in particular in Latin America, where under the Monroe Doctrine, the USA

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has declared that no other superpower has any business in its hemisphere.

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And in fact, left wing governments have no business in that hemisphere, and it's

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up to the USA to do whatever it likes.

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And so it's engineered coups in a few countries in Latin America, namely

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Cuba, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Haiti, Peru,

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Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Bolivia, Paraguay, Brazil, Chile, Argentina,

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and Uruguay, just to name a few.

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Let's turn to their most recent attempts in Venezuela.

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A previously obscure figure, Juan Guaido, shocked the world in 2019 when he declared

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himself the rightful ruler of Venezuela, despite never standing for president.

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The US and Israel quickly recognised him.

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It's now known that the stunt was planned in the US, Guaido had previously

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met with Mike Pence, and assured him that he had the support over, of

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over half the Venezuelan military.

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Yet, when the US repeated Guaido's calls for the army to rebel and for

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the people to flood the streets, the response was disbelief and amusement.

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Guaido tried three coups in 2019, each less convincing than the last.

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And despite its failures, the following year, the United States

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attempted something even more desperate, an amphibious invasion of

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Venezuela, led by ex Green Berets.

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The plan was for ex special force members to lead an army of some 300

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pro Guaido troops and shoot their way into the presidential palace.

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And at this point, according to the plan, the Venezuelan army would desert

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or surrender, the government would fall, and Guaido would be proclaimed dictator.

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The scheme, however, fell apart at the first sign of resistance, as

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the Americans Missions leaders were overpowered by members of a local fishing

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collective armed with nothing more than antiquated revolvers and fishing knives.

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Defense Secretary, U.

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S.

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Defense Secretary, Mark Esper, later revealed that the Trump

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administration was intimately involved in the planning of the operation.

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In Esper's memoir, he claimed that Trump was fixated on the idea of an

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Iraq style invasion of Venezuela.

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He quotes Trump is saying, what if the US military went down

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there and got rid of Maduro?

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John Bolton, who we heard from in an earlier clip, also claimed that

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Trump had told him it would be really cool to take Venezuela because it

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is really part of the United States.

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So that was the most recent overt coup attempt.

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Of course, there's a current covert attempt occurring as we speak.

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But for the sake of completeness, just looking at some older history, of course

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the coup attempts began earlier than Trump, and almost from the moment that

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Chavez was elected in 1998, Washington started to plan for his removal.

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There is an organisation called NED, standing for National Endowment for

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Democracy, I can assure you, its aims are anything but democratic.

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And through the NED, the US began funding and training groups that would lead

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to the April 2002 coup against Chavez.

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And the US was flying its leaders back and forth from Washington DC in

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the weeks leading up to the event.

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The coup eventually failed, thanks to an enormous counter protest.

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surrounding the presidential palace and that spurred loyal military

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units into retaking the building.

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There was another significant attempt in 2014.

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The U.

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S.

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was the only country in the world that did not recognize Maduro's 2013

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electoral victory and instead the U.

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S.

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aligned itself with far right fractions in Venezuela which includes the

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current opposition leader Machado.

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And those far right faction groups implored people to take to the streets to

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vent their anger over the 2013 election.

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Which resulted in carnage and terrorised the nation and led to an

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estimated 15 billion worth of damage.

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What you find, dear listener, with these coups that are organised by

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the US in Latin America and other countries, is when they replace the

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leader, the leftist socialist leader in whatever country we happen to be

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talking about, they invariably back the most despicable right wing characters,

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and Venezuela is no exception.

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Anyway, WikiLeaks cables show that the U.

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S.

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was bankrolling many of the movement's leaders, and the cables also show

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that Washington knew the calibre of the people they were employing.

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They note, for example, that Nixon Moreno had led a crowd to lynch the

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Governor of Merritt Estate during the 2002 coup, and was accused of murder

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and the rape of a police officer.

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Eventually, that 2014 coup attempt uprising petered out.

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So that was basically the opposition in 2014 imploring people to get out and

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vent their anger at the election result.

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And that is being repeated on this occasion, where Edmundo Gonzalez has

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called on his supporters to go out on the streets and defend their victory.

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And what that has meant in practice is tens of thousands of people going

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out at night and setting fires to things, attacking police and burning

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down pharmacies and buildings.

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But Edmundo Gonzalez is an old man and he's really just the front

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man for Maria Carina Machado.

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She was banned from running for president, and so they had

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to put up Edmundo Gonzalez.

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But everybody understood that voting for Edmundo Gonzalez was

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voting for Maria Carina Machado.

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Now, one of the reasons for alleging corruption and unfairness in the

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Venezuelan election is the complaint that Machado wasn't allowed to run.

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But we need to have a bit of a look at Machado and see what she's been up to.

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In a leaked recording, Machado admitted that the US government told her it wants

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to collaborate to overthrow elected President Maduro, and Machado called

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for more sanctions demanding total financial asphyxiation of Venezuela.

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Also, a letter was released Machado sent to the leader of Argentina,

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Mauricio Macri, and the leader of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, asking

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for them to intervene in Venezuelan affairs by promoting before the United

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Nations Security Council the adoption of effective protection measures for

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Venezuela by promoting a change of regime.

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The letter asks Israel and Argentina to contribute their expertise and influence

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to move towards accurate and urgent decision making in the Security Council.

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And in her letter, she alleged the criminal nature of the current

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regime, the current Venezuelan regime, represented a real threat to

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other countries, especially Israel.

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And later in the text, um, stated, Without a regime change

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in our country, Hemispheric and global security are at risk.

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That all just sounds like treason to me.

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And is it any wonder that she was banned from standing for office?

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There are also some other allegations against her.

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I mean, to me, it's hard to believe she's actually still running around in the

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country free and not behind bars, given what we already know about her calling for

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violence in 2014 and then calling for US intervention and regime change and calling

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on Argentina and Israel to help out.

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Just some personal details.

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She was born into one of Venezuela's most elite and well connected families.

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She attended Yale University.

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As did President George W.

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Bush, who welcomed her into the Oval Office in 2005 for an official visit.

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And unlike others in the Venezuelan opposition, Machado has openly received

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money from the NED, the National Endowment for Democracy, and her election monitoring

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organisation, Sumate, has for many years been bankrolled by the CIA Front Group.

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End.

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WikiLeaks cables reveal that the US ambassador for Caracas, or in Caracas,

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considered this a serious drawback to the credibility of that organisation.

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So if I stopped right now, you would have enough information to be extremely

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doubtful of any anti Maduro news that you would be subjected to, as

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you'd be worried that it's propaganda generated by the United States.

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Unless, of course, you trust Western media to filter out any propaganda.

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In which case, I've got a bridge to sell you, and also, uh, stay tuned till the

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very end of this episode, in terms of the media and its ability to filter out

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or not filter out propaganda, and why organisations that seemingly are liberal,

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like the Guardian, are falling into line.

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Anyway, just a brief.

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tangent into the connection with Israel.

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So, um, Maria Carina Machado is a Zionist and she has said if we win

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we will move the Venezuelan embassy to Jerusalem to support Israel.

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It seems that every US backed Latin American politician tends

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to be fanatically pro Israel.

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On the other hand, Maduro has proven to be one of the staunchest

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international critics of Israel.

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And he's a big supporter of Palestine.

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He's quoted as saying Israel is committing massacres in the Gaza

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Strip in front of the world's eyes without anyone deterring it.

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And he claims that Israel's actions constitute some of the worst barbarity

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seen since the days of Adolf Hitler.

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He's actually following a tradition back in 2016 Chavez expelled the Israeli

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ambassador over its attacks on Lebanon.

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Three years later, amid a fresh Israeli attack, must have been 2009, Venezuela

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cut all diplomatic ties and recognized the state of Palestine and Chavez in

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a famous speech bellowed, Damn you state of Israel, and he denounced

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it as a terrorist state entity.

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Meanwhile, of course, Israel is shot back and it was one of the

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first nations to recognise Juan Guaido when he popped his head up.

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So there's no love lost between the, um, Maduro government and Israel,

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and there's a lot of love between the Machado opposition and Israel.

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Some of Machado's allies have been arrested for

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conspiring to ferment violence.

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There's So, the Attorney General has accused, um, Guillermo Lopez, Luis

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Camacaro and Juan Fraites, who belong to Machado's party, of forming part of

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a group of at least 11 people, who the Attorney General claims, tried to rob a

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military weapons arsenal before a planned assault on a pro Maduro state governor.

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Given the history of the opposition's efforts to promote violence after

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failed elections, and given just the shitty people that the USA

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tries to install as part of its coups, none of that surprises me.

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Who knows if it's true, but it seems plausible.

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On the other hand, maybe Maduro's just locking up political opponents

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so that he can win an election.

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I don't know, but if you're going to tell this story, in the Western

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media, you should be providing these other sides to the story.

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So how are other countries reacting to the election result?

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It's pretty much a split between Western countries and these sort

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of Global South BRICS countries.

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Over 40 countries have recognised and endorsed the Maduro government,

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including For example, Algeria, Angola, Antigua, Belarus, Bolivia, China.

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The USA has not gone so far as to recognise Gonzalez, but they're

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obviously not recognising Maduro.

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What are the papers saying?

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Well, the New York Times would be a fairly typical example.

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I'll read a fair number of excerpts from a New York Times article And the

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issues they talk about will be dealt with eventually, but this is to give

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you the sort of flavour of typical coverage of the election result.

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Protests erupt in Venezuela as nations denounce election result.

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I wasn't going to, but protests erupt, well, because the opposition called for

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it, and nations denounce election result?

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It'll turn out that actually ten times as many confirm the

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result as denounce the result.

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Ah, it goes on.

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Protests broke out Monday in Caracas, Venezuela's capital, with hundreds of

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young people marching through the streets, furious over a presidential election,

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in which the incumbent, Nicolas Maduro, declared victory despite widespread

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accusations of fraud, and Officially proclaiming the election decided

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without releasing the full vote counts.

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Oh, I can't help myself.

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Hundreds of young people marching through the streets.

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You know, it might be fair to point out that three days prior to the election,

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there was hundreds of thousands of people at Maduro rallies in support of Maduro.

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That paragraph talked about widespread accusations of fraud.

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Yeah, accusations by the opposition invite people with a vested

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interest in conducting a coup.

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And yes, they haven't released the full vote counts because their website has

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been under a denial of service attack, so they can't actually put it up and

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they're figuring out how to do it.

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But you know, don't tell people that's the reason.

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It goes on, the United States and countries around the world announced

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the official results of Sunday's vote, which did not appear to match

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statistical estimates based on partial counts and other data that showed the

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President losing by a wide margin.

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We'll get to this later, but part of the coup playbook is to conduct

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your own polling, showing that.

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The opposition is well in front, so when they lose the election,

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you can claim, well, it must have been a fraudulent election.

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And if the New York Times wanted to, they could have found plenty

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of polls that were suggesting that Maduro would win by the margin that

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Maduro is claiming to have won by.

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By Monday afternoon, the Venezuelan government announced it had kicked out

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the diplomatic missions of seven Latin American countries that had condemned

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the official electoral results.

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Well, if people are saying that you are there fraudulently and they don't

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recognise the election You probably would kick them out of your country.

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It goes on.

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The opposition leader, Maria Carina Machado, announced on Monday evening

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that her movement had received paper tallies from 73 percent of

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the country's voting stations and refuted the government's claims.

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Those tallies showed that Maduro's opponent, Gonzalez, had received 3.

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5 million more votes than the president.

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Dear listener, as will be revealed later, Machado's basically relying on

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her own people in the counting rooms, just phoning through to her head

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office what they say the count is.

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And, of course, it's open for these people to either make mistakes.

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Or, just lie.

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It goes on, The move by the Electoral Authority to declare victory but

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not release detailed voting results, which it had routinely done in

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past elections, intensified the sense among many Venezuelans and

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international observers that the election had essentially been stolen.

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Dear listener, over 900 international observers present at the election,

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and to my knowledge, none of them has complained about the process.

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The complaints from international observers were not from the official

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observers who were visiting the polling booths, and in most cases, are observers

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who weren't even in the country.

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And if you were trying to be genuine in your journalism, you would have

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made the point That, that claim is contradicted by hundreds of other

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independent observers who say that the election was conducted properly.

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We'll get to that.

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Further on, it says, the disputed election put renewed attention on the Biden's

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administrations, blah, blah, blah.

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The disputed election, well, it's disputed because the opposition were

Trevor:

always going to dispute the election.

Trevor:

Anyway, what we'll move on to now is the actual voting process

Trevor:

in the Venezuelan election.

Trevor:

And here is a clip from Jimmy Carter back in 2012 talking about the process.

Jimmy Carter:

They have a very wonderful voting system where you go in and you

Jimmy Carter:

touch the screen and vote the way you want to and instantly that touchscreen result

Jimmy Carter:

is recorded and can be transmitted to you.

Jimmy Carter:

Electronically into the central counting headquarters, but it also prints out a

Jimmy Carter:

paper ballot and when you get through voting, you can not only have voted

Jimmy Carter:

electronically, but you can look at the paper ballot and make sure that's

Jimmy Carter:

the way that you wanted to vote.

Jimmy Carter:

Then you put the paper ballot in a box and you can go back and check the results

Jimmy Carter:

later on if there's any doubt about it.

Jimmy Carter:

As a matter 92 elections that we've monitored, I would say

Jimmy Carter:

that the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world.

Trevor:

So to expand upon this voting process, I'm now going to play a clip

Trevor:

from Alan McLeod, who was one of the observers, and he will confirm and provide

Trevor:

a bit more detail about how it works.

Alan Macleod:

In order to vote, Venezuelans need to produce their

Alan Macleod:

national ID card, and then that is, uh, the picture on that is then checked

Alan Macleod:

against them from a voting official.

Alan Macleod:

If that passes, they then go to a fingerprint machine, where they

Alan Macleod:

have to give their thumbprint onto a machine that should match

Alan Macleod:

the one that's on the records.

Alan Macleod:

And if both of those things match, they're allowed to vote on an electronic voting

Alan Macleod:

system, which resembles a computer.

Alan Macleod:

Once they've voted on that machine, the computer spits out a paper ballot,

Alan Macleod:

the voter must check the paper ballot, the paper ballot's got a barcode on

Alan Macleod:

it, some numbers, and the candidate.

Alan Macleod:

If that is correct, they then proceed to put that piece of paper in the box.

Alan Macleod:

Not only that, once they have voted, they also have to sign an electoral

Alan Macleod:

register to say they have voted, and they also have to, uh, put their

Alan Macleod:

thumb in an inkwell and then put their thumbprint on a piece of paper.

Alan Macleod:

So there are many, many checks and balances there to make sure

Alan Macleod:

there's no vote of fraud or any kind of, um, impersonation going on.

Alan Macleod:

At the end of the day, all the, the, uh, electronic results which

Alan Macleod:

have been sent to head office in Caracas are then, um, checked against

Alan Macleod:

the paper ballots that are there.

Alan Macleod:

The paper ballots are counted in front of representatives of

Alan Macleod:

the community and of Caracas.

Alan Macleod:

different political parties, those paper ballots have to match 100 percent to

Alan Macleod:

the electronic results that the CNE, the National Electoral Council, has.

Alan Macleod:

If there is even a discrepancy of even one vote, that triggers a massive

Alan Macleod:

audit and all hell breaks loose.

Alan Macleod:

The 2013 election, which is the one I know best apart from this

Alan Macleod:

2024 election, the electronic vote was correct to a percentage of 99.

Alan Macleod:

98 percent and that was because 22 people across Venezuela.

Alan Macleod:

and voted on the machines but not put their paper ballot in the box.

Trevor:

Fascinating, I think you'll agree.

Trevor:

An electronic vote that allows for a quick count and then generating a paper vote

Trevor:

that can be manually counted to double check the electronic one and massive

Trevor:

sort of identification checks so that you can't have somebody voting twice.

Trevor:

Now, to give you the full picture, the Carter Center has put out a

Trevor:

statement saying that the 2024 Venezuelan presidential election

Trevor:

did not meet international standards of electoral integrity

Trevor:

and cannot be considered democratic.

Trevor:

Their main complaints were in relation to the lead up to the election in terms

Trevor:

of Opposition members not allowed to participate, and not having access to

Trevor:

funding, and the government being at an advantage in that respect, in that the

Trevor:

government had overwhelmingly positive coverage on television and radio.

Trevor:

But when it comes to the actual voting at voting booths on the day, They

Trevor:

pretty much conceded it was okay.

Trevor:

I'll read the relevant paragraph which was, Still, Venezuelan citizens turned

Trevor:

out peacefully and in large numbers to express their will on election day.

Trevor:

Despite reports of restrictions on access to many polling centres for

Trevor:

domestic observers and opposition party witnesses, potential pressure on the

Trevor:

voters such as ruling party checkpoints in the vicinity of voting centres, and

Trevor:

incidents of tension or violence reported in some localities, voting appeared to

Trevor:

take place in a generally civil manner.

Trevor:

Now those claims of intimidation will be dealt with by other observers.

Trevor:

And we really have to ask, well, who is the Kennedy,

Trevor:

sorry, who is the Carter Center?

Trevor:

And how does that fit with what Jimmy Carter was saying?

Trevor:

And I think we've really reached the point where, um, the Center is no longer

Trevor:

under the influence of Jimmy Carter.

Trevor:

It's in fact, um, funded by the U.

Trevor:

S.

Trevor:

State Department, CIA front, U.

Trevor:

S.

Trevor:

aid, uh, the U.

Trevor:

K.

Trevor:

and the E.

Trevor:

U.

Trevor:

which have backed coup attempts in Venezuela.

Trevor:

So it's probably not surprising that the Carter Center, funded by the US State

Trevor:

Department, who's trying to conduct a coup, uh, wasn't happy with the election.

Trevor:

But you can take all that into account.

Trevor:

At least I'm giving you both sides of the story.

Trevor:

Let's have a listen to what some other international observers had to say.

Interviewer:

We're going to get comment from Nina Farnia, legal

Interviewer:

historian at Albany Law School.

Interviewer:

You're just back from Venezuela.

Interviewer:

You were an observer with the National Lawyers Guild.

Interviewer:

If you can talk about what you saw and respond to, um, uh, Edgardo Lander.

Nina:

Well, we thank you for having me on, Amy.

Nina:

What we witnessed, by and large, was a free and fair election process, which

Nina:

explains why former President Jimmy Carter once called this system the

Nina:

best electoral system in the world.

Nina:

We were part of a large international delegation of election monitors that

Nina:

included members of the African Union and the Latin American Election experts.

Nina:

And we were quarantined with the rest of our delegation in

Nina:

a hotel that was separate from all the political activities.

Nina:

We attended days of trainings about the Venezuelan electoral system,

Nina:

about the laws that protect it.

Nina:

And then we were taken, prior to the elections, we were taken to polling

Nina:

stations around the country where we saw the touchscreen voting machines.

Nina:

We saw the ballot boxes for the paper ballots.

Nina:

We met the directors of each voting center on the day of the election,

Nina:

our NLG delegation had the privilege of interviewing voters as they were

Nina:

going in and out of the voting room.

Nina:

And we also interviewed members of each of the parties that were there to monitor

Nina:

the elections, the polling stations.

Nina:

We also interviewed opposition voters.

Nina:

We didn't hear.

Nina:

Any concerns from any voters or observers.

Nina:

Every single person that we spoke with said that this is a free and fair process.

Nina:

They had faith in the system.

Nina:

And, in fact, what we saw was a ton of energy around each of

Nina:

the stations that we visited.

Nina:

People were proud to vote.

Nina:

They take that, They take, they view voting as a pillar

Nina:

of the Venezuelan democracy and of the Bolivarian revolution.

Trevor:

So I've mentioned a couple of times that a key complaint by

Trevor:

Maduro's opponents is that the vote that Maduro claims doesn't match the

Trevor:

polling that was done and therefore it must have been fraudulent, meaning

Trevor:

the election, not the polling.

Trevor:

And Nina Fania has something to say about that.

Nina:

Yeah, so, um, exit polling is illegal in Venezuela because it has

Nina:

the effect of, um, altering votes.

Nina:

Um, and also a lot of the polling results that were, um, used in the U.

Nina:

S.

Nina:

media, the polling predictions that were used in the U.

Nina:

S.

Nina:

media, uh, were discredited by Venezuela Analysis, a trusted

Nina:

news source in Venezuela that has also been Maduro government.

Nina:

We actually are very concerned by the claim that Gonzalez has won.

Nina:

Gonzalez was a diplomat in Venezuela, a Venezuelan diplomat in El Salvador

Nina:

during the Salvadoran death squads.

Nina:

He was number two stationed there.

Nina:

He has blood on his hands.

Nina:

He has Salvadoran blood on his hands.

Nina:

And so the idea that the Venezuelans would support a government that

Nina:

would support a government A president who, uh, executed U.

Nina:

S.

Nina:

foreign policy in El Salvador decades ago, uh, is shocking to us.

Nina:

Uh, it's up ultimately to the Supreme Court to decide.

Nina:

The Venezuelan government, according to the laws that we learned about while we

Nina:

were there, has 30 days to release the tallies from the day of the election.

Nina:

We're not even at 10 days yet.

Trevor:

Yeah, I mentioned, um, the US and the CIA have a habit of picking

Trevor:

nasty characters for their coup attempts.

Trevor:

And, um, yeah, during the years in which Edmundo Gonzalez was collaborating with

Trevor:

the CIA out of the Venezuelan embassy in San Salvador, The Salvadoran army

Trevor:

and far right paramilitaries tortured and massacred over 13, 000 civilians.

Trevor:

Uh, she concludes,

Nina:

The Venezuelan people, it looks like, based on our perceptions

Nina:

of the process, of the election process, chose President Maduro.

Nina:

But to the extent that there's Disagreement about what actually

Nina:

happened, the Supreme Court should be allowed to decide.

Trevor:

South Africa had a delegation and I'll just read parts of their statement.

Trevor:

Over 15 South African election observers are currently in Caracas.

Trevor:

As part of a total of 910 observers from more than 95 countries.

Trevor:

The observers condemn and dispel allegations of fraud by the Reuters

Trevor:

media group reporting on the elections taking place in Venezuela

Trevor:

without actually being present.

Trevor:

Claims or allegations of fraud have been found to be baseless and mischievous.

Trevor:

With Venezuela's electoral system considered one of the best in the world.

Trevor:

The fact is that international election observers, that include South Africans,

Trevor:

have witnessed a free and fair process.

Trevor:

The presidential elections in Venezuela started smoothly and were

Trevor:

incident free throughout the day.

Trevor:

Observers from 100 countries, including Several African nations have been spending

Trevor:

the day at various polling stations in all 23 states across the country.

Trevor:

South African observers have noted the efficiency, transparency and

Trevor:

fairness of Venezuela's elections.

Trevor:

There are 16, 025 voting stations across the country that use state of

Trevor:

the art biometric voting machines.

Trevor:

The voting machines have a paper ballot backup system that runs

Trevor:

concurrently with an audit that takes place immediately after the elections.

Trevor:

The audit is done publicly and takes place on 54 percent of all voting machines.

Trevor:

All parties witness the sign off on results at voting centres and each

Trevor:

party has to enter its unique encrypted key to validate the final tally.

Trevor:

We with other international observers await the official results.

Trevor:

Here again is Alan MacLeod who was one of the observers.

Alan Macleod:

We spoke to dozens of people, opposition supporters who told

Alan Macleod:

us that they hated Maduro, government supporters who said that they loved

Alan Macleod:

Maduro, government supporters that said that they didn't like Maduro but they

Alan Macleod:

were voting for him anyway because he was better than the opposition candidate.

Alan Macleod:

So there's a very wide range of people we talked to.

Alan Macleod:

We even in one central Caracas voting station talked to the lady who was

Alan Macleod:

in charge of the entire operation in that centre and she told us openly.

Alan Macleod:

To me and election observers from Zambia, South Africa, and the United

Alan Macleod:

States who were with me at the time, she told us openly that she was a member

Alan Macleod:

of the opposition, that she hated the government, that she thought the economy

Alan Macleod:

was in shambles, and she was only doing this because she needed the money.

Alan Macleod:

Nevertheless, she said that the voting system, she had complete confidence in

Alan Macleod:

it, and we spoke to lots of election officials that day, and the two words

Alan Macleod:

that came up constantly were tranquillo, which means calm, and fluido, which could

Alan Macleod:

mean smooth or fluid in that process.

Trevor:

And finally, uh, Roger D.

Trevor:

Harris, an observer from Task Force on the Americas.

Trevor:

Spent the day observing electoral centres in Miranda State.

Trevor:

He and others told Mint Press that opposition supporters were perfectly

Trevor:

happy to publicly announce their allegiances and express their

Trevor:

grievances with the government.

Trevor:

Despite their opposition to socialism, most retained

Trevor:

confidence in the electoral system.

Trevor:

Okay, so now, knowing that the voting system is fair and transparent, and

Trevor:

assuming the public understands that Machado is a traitor who welcomed US

Trevor:

intervention in the country and regime change, and knowing that Gonzalez

Trevor:

is involved, or was involved, in CIA assassinations, You'd surely have to

Trevor:

accept that it's more than plausible that perhaps more than 50 percent

Trevor:

of the population did actually vote for Maduro in the election, without

Trevor:

any interference being necessary.

Trevor:

Anyway, the possibility is still open that while the votes were Cast in a

Trevor:

solid system that somewhere in the counting of that, the Maduro government

Trevor:

has done a dodgy count of some sort.

Trevor:

But what we've got is we've got an electronic count that gets sent almost

Trevor:

immediately to a central counting house.

Trevor:

What they would normally do is say, from this particular

Trevor:

district, we got these votes.

Trevor:

And they can then do a physical count of the paper votes at that

Trevor:

district house and confirm that it matches what the electronic count is.

Trevor:

And the opposition is involved in that physical count of the paper ballots.

Trevor:

So it sounds like a system that's hard to rig, What's happened at this point is

Trevor:

that the government has not published the individual counts for these small, um, you

Trevor:

know, sort of voting booths, if you like.

Trevor:

And the reason they say is that their website has been hit by, uh,

Trevor:

attack, which has denied service.

Trevor:

And the opposition doesn't deny that because they've actually cheered

Trevor:

the fact that it happened on.

Trevor:

So I'll probably just try and deal now with how the opposition is claiming

Trevor:

it's done its own count and is three and a half million votes ahead.

Trevor:

Here again is Alan MacLeod.

Alan Macleod:

So, uh, over here, the opposition has been claiming fraud.

Alan Macleod:

They claim that their candidate, Edmundo Gonzalez, actually received more than 70

Alan Macleod:

percent of the vote, and they've basically got two sources of information for that.

Alan Macleod:

Number one is a, an American, uh, polling firm.

Alan Macleod:

This polling firm has, um, got extensive links with the U.

Alan Macleod:

S.

Alan Macleod:

government and even the CIA, so we have to take some of their

Alan Macleod:

results with a grain of salt.

Alan Macleod:

Edmundo Gonzalez, as I said earlier, called on his supporters to go out on

Alan Macleod:

the streets and defend their victory, and what that has meant in practice

Alan Macleod:

has meant Tens of thousands of people going out at night and setting fires

Alan Macleod:

to things, attacking police, burning down pharmacies, burning buildings.

Alan Macleod:

Even we saw in one city that a hospital was, a hospital was set on fire.

Alan Macleod:

These, as I said, are political targets.

Alan Macleod:

They're not going after businesses or whatever.

Alan Macleod:

They are going after Very politicized targets like hospitals and schools.

Alan Macleod:

And so they, they hate the fact that they have to walk past these things every day,

Alan Macleod:

especially when they're called things like the Hugo Chavez maternity clinic.

Interviewer:

But I think one of the interesting things this time around

Interviewer:

is that the opposition says they actually have the voting rolls.

Interviewer:

Uh, and that they've started to, to publish some of those online.

Alan Macleod:

Yeah.

Alan Macleod:

So the way the opposition's methodology works was they sent their supporters to

Alan Macleod:

every polling station in the country, uh, to watch the election, uh, results and

Alan Macleod:

to count the ballots themselves, or at least watch the ballots being counted.

Alan Macleod:

And what they did was they had representatives looking at every

Alan Macleod:

single table in the country.

Alan Macleod:

And those representatives would then send WhatsApp messages.

Alan Macleod:

On a group chat, which had all the, um, the, the information about the voters and

Alan Macleod:

how many people voted for each candidate, and then that would be tabulated by

Alan Macleod:

some sort of central opposition, uh, organization in Caracas, and then they

Alan Macleod:

would have their own figures to publish.

Alan Macleod:

As you said, this happened at exactly the same time that the CNA

Alan Macleod:

and the National Electoral Council.

Alan Macleod:

Uh, their website got hacked and was taken down.

Alan Macleod:

So, frankly, I think the opposition's methodology, you know, um, it, it, it

Alan Macleod:

lacks quite a lot, you know, because this is based on Humans reporting

Alan Macleod:

exactly what they saw, and if any of them get their, their figures wrong,

Alan Macleod:

or are just frankly being, uh, you know, are frankly lying, then the

Alan Macleod:

entire process, you know, goes to pot.

Alan Macleod:

So, the opposition's, um, numbers are basically based on their own supporters

Alan Macleod:

self reporting what each voting table, um, what each voting machine spits out.

Alan Macleod:

And, of course, we're going to have a situation that, as I said, if any of

Alan Macleod:

them get are not being entirely truthful, then the whole process, uh, falls apart.

Trevor:

Okay, so time now to look at the media treatment of all of this.

Trevor:

And first up is a Guardian article that Hugh Harris sent to me.

Trevor:

And fortunately enough, Alan MacLeod had already done a response to the article.

Trevor:

So I'll just Rely on Alan's words here.

Trevor:

This is an article in The Guardian entitled, Evidence shows

Trevor:

Venezuela's election was stolen.

Trevor:

But will Maduro budge?

Trevor:

Written by Tiago Ruggiero, South American correspondent.

Trevor:

And the first few paragraphs are, It is not new for Maduro

Trevor:

to be accused of attempting to steal a presidential election.

Trevor:

But the evidence for such allegations has never been quite so overwhelming.

Trevor:

Analysis carried out by the opposition, academics and media organisations have

Trevor:

offered strong evidence to suggest that Venezuelan president, uh, that

Trevor:

the Venezuelan president lost by a landslide, as Alan McLeod says.

Trevor:

What is the evidence?

Trevor:

Oh, it's analysis carried out by the opposition itself.

Trevor:

As well as hearsay from sympathetic academics.

Trevor:

He makes the point.

Trevor:

Let's also not inform readers that there were actually nine opposition

Trevor:

candidates running against Maduro, and that only Gonzalez refused to

Trevor:

say he would accept the results.

Trevor:

The article goes on.

Trevor:

A number of countries Gonzalez's victory.

Trevor:

Alan McLeod points out that number is four countries, all of them

Trevor:

right wing Latin American nations.

Trevor:

Even the United States has walked back its Gonzalez claims, and the Biden

Trevor:

administration clarified it has not recognised Gonzalez as the victor.

Trevor:

Last time McLeod checked, more than 40 countries had endorsed

Trevor:

Maduro, over 10 times as many that have recognised Gonzalez.

Trevor:

Yet, through this verbal sleight of hand, um, the Guardian's presenting

Trevor:

Mizzouro as isolated, and the extremist denialist position as mainstream.

Trevor:

The article goes on, For now at least, the incumbent clings to power,

Trevor:

having pulled off what one expert has described as the largest electoral

Trevor:

fraud in Latin America's history.

Trevor:

I love this response from Alan McLeod.

Trevor:

I checked this quote, and it's not from an expert at all, but from another

Trevor:

Guardian journalist, Tom Phillips.

Trevor:

Tom Phillips is notorious among Latin Americans for being perhaps the most

Trevor:

clueless gringo on the continent.

Trevor:

One example of this was his shock that Lula did not endorse Juan Guaido, as he

Trevor:

thought they shared the same ideology.

Trevor:

He also spent years promoting Guaido.

Trevor:

Parroted CIA talking points, whitewashing the far right coup in Bolivia in 2019

Trevor:

and supporting the law fair campaign against Lula and Dilma in Brazil.

Trevor:

That's the expert that this clown has relied on.

Trevor:

The article goes on.

Trevor:

Independent observers agree that this election was never

Trevor:

going to be fair and free.

Trevor:

From the start, the electoral process was plagued by irregularities,

Trevor:

according to the Venezuelan NGO Transparencia Electoral.

Trevor:

Alan McLeod points out that that NGO, Transparencia Electoral,

Trevor:

is presented as an independent observer, but it's anything but that.

Trevor:

The chief, Delgado, who sits on the company's board, is simultaneously

Trevor:

the national communication and media coordinator of CIMATE.

Trevor:

And ATE is opposition Leader, Machado's phony election monitoring Organization.

Trevor:

And ATE is funded by the CAA through the National Endowment for Democracy, ned.

Trevor:

So he's represented that organization as an independent observer and as

Trevor:

McLeod says, not telling readers this.

Trevor:

and presenting it merely as an independent observer is active

Trevor:

disinformation and propaganda and constitutes a crime against journalism.

Trevor:

The article goes on.

Trevor:

The list ranges from blocking candidates from running, such as the opposition

Trevor:

leader Machado, who was then replaced by Gonzalez, to making it virtually

Trevor:

Venezuelans living abroad to vote.

Trevor:

And McLeod's response is that corporate media loves to constantly tell readers

Trevor:

that she's been banned from standing.

Trevor:

Because it feeds into the sort of dictator holding onto power narrative.

Trevor:

But they never tell you why she was barred.

Trevor:

She was blocked from running because for years, she toured the world attempting to

Trevor:

organise a US led invasion of Venezuela.

Trevor:

She supported the 2002 coup against Chavez, led waves of terrorist violence

Trevor:

against Venezuela that targeted schools, hospitals, universities, and, um, that

Trevor:

violence killed huge numbers of people, cost billions of dollars of damage,

Trevor:

and in any other country, she would have spent the rest of her life in

Trevor:

prison, if not having been executed.

Trevor:

But in Venezuela, her primary punishment is that she can't hold

Trevor:

office for a certain time period.

Trevor:

The article goes on, Dozens of opposition members were arrested

Trevor:

during the campaign, and international observers were either blocked or

Trevor:

disinvited from monitoring the vote.

Trevor:

McLeod responds, There were over 900 international observers

Trevor:

from 100 plus countries.

Trevor:

And that votes in Venezuela are among the most intensely

Trevor:

monitored in the entire world.

Trevor:

He says, As for being banned, I assume the Guardian is talking about the

Trevor:

European Union, who were disinvited.

Trevor:

But the EU is actively trying to topple the Maduro government

Trevor:

and is clearly a bad actor.

Trevor:

Why would any government invite groups it knows are trying to undermine and

Trevor:

topple it to monitor proceedings?

Trevor:

The article goes on, After years of economic decline, an

Trevor:

unprecedented humanitarian crisis that has spurred about 8 million

Trevor:

Venezuelans to leave the country.

Trevor:

Opinion polls indicated a strong lead for Gonzalez, and MacLeod

Trevor:

responds, What opinion polls?

Trevor:

Many opposition aligned pollsters, like Machado's Samate, are directly

Trevor:

funded and supported by the CIA, and are therefore extremely dubious.

Trevor:

In fact, these US funded pollsters exist to present the government as collapsing

Trevor:

in order to give Western media supposedly credible polls to cite, showing the

Trevor:

government's about to fall, so when it does win the election, they can cry fraud.

Trevor:

Some of these polling organisations have been off up to 60 points.

Trevor:

in previous elections.

Trevor:

Yet they continue to be cited as credible experts.

Trevor:

There were plenty of polls from Venezuela showing Maduro would win

Trevor:

comfortably, or even by a landslide.

Trevor:

Why do western media never cite them?

Trevor:

It's obvious, because that would run contrary to their

Trevor:

regime change narratives.

Trevor:

And so they are ignored.

Trevor:

Now, I just um, gave you the clip that demonstrated how the opposition

Trevor:

relied on WhatsApp messaging to tabulate their own figures.

Trevor:

And in the Guardian article, it says, US officials concurred that

Trevor:

it would have been nearly impossible for the opposition to falsify

Trevor:

the voting tallies it published.

Trevor:

As McLeod says, presenting the opinion of the State Department

Trevor:

uncritically is laughable.

Trevor:

When it comes to Venezuela, they've spent a quarter of a century

Trevor:

trying to overthrow the government.

Trevor:

They've constantly lied.

Trevor:

No self respecting journalist would present their claims at face value.

Trevor:

And the idea that it would be impossible for the opposition to falsify the voting

Trevor:

tallies via its WhatsApp messaging?

Trevor:

I mean, it would be funny if it wasn't so serious.

Trevor:

Further on, further on in the article, Meanwhile, diplomatic

Trevor:

pressure from countries such as the U.

Trevor:

S., which has recognized Gonzalez as the winner, actually,

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no it didn't, is important.

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So, as Alan MacLeod sums it up, this article, A masterclass in

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misdirection, selective sourcing, lying by omission, and misleading factoids.

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So there you go, Hugh Harris, that article did not convince me to change my mind.

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But I know that, despite all of this, I probably haven't

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changed yours, but that's okay.

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I remember I used to argue with the 12th Man about journalists having

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to succumb to the ideology of the newspaper they were working for.

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And, The Twelfth Man just would not accept that and, um, no matter

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how hard I tried to convince him.

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Anyway, if you're wondering how we get articles like this one from The Guardian,

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then here is a lengthy excerpt from an interview with Alan MacLeod, but it's

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incredibly instructive as the final point to this whole episode with Venezuela.

Alan Macleod:

So I did my PhD about the media coverage of Venezuela,

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and then I produced a book and five peer reviewed academic articles

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on the subject of Venezuela.

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And what I found, uh, was, number one, I found an extraordinary slant and

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bias against the country and towards presenting it as a dictatorship, ignoring

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any progressive changes that were going on and constantly demonizing it.

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That was overwhelming from both conservative and liberal media, and

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both American and British media.

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So that's the first thing I found, but perhaps the more interesting

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story is why this was going on.

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And in order to explain that and understand that question, I actually

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talked to the majority of journalists who were producing content on

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Venezuela for the Western audience.

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That actually wasn't very hard because there's quite a small number of Western

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journalists that produce pretty much all the news you hear out of this country.

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Nowadays there's only one newspaper with a full time correspondent

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in Venezuela, that's the New York Times with Anatoly Kremlinaev.

Alan Macleod:

I interviewed Kermanayev many years ago now, and he was completely

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open about what he was doing.

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So, uh, I have him on record saying that he describes himself as a mercenary for

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hire, and he and his colleagues, and that he intentionally plants false or grossly

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exaggerated stories about Venezuela into Western media because he has an agenda.

Alan Macleod:

He called this tactic Sexy Tricks, and he gave me one example of this.

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He printed a story, he got a story published that condoms

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in Venezuela cost 750.

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Now, he accepted that this was completely nonsense.

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But he said that this was, you know, this story went viral across

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the world and it played into this.

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Venezuela is a ludicrous failed state, tin pop dictatorship, hyperinflation, etc.

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But yeah, he said that this wasn't the case and indeed it wasn't.

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Actually, when I looked into a box of condoms in Venezuela, it cost

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8, which I actually think that's slightly cheaper than in the US.

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So there was no real enormous.

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You know, uh, Shortage or, uh, Mad Pricing.

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But people would do that deliberately, uh, in fact journalists,

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because they had an agenda.

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And I also spoke to other journalists that said that inside their newsroom they

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called themselves, quote, the resistance, end quote, to Chavez and now Maduro.

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That's how they talk about them.

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Another journalist said that other, uh, People in his newsroom said

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that we have to quote, get rid of this guy, meaning Chavez, end quote.

Alan Macleod:

Um, so journalists were completely open about, uh, what their, their position was.

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They were the ideological tip of the spear trying to destroy socialism in its cradle.

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Other journalists who were quite critical of the coverage, and once

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they were out, started blowing the whistle, told me that, um, they felt

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that they had to self censor constantly.

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So, one journalist who worked for the Financial Times told me that

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the stuff that he wrote in his book, he knew, would never, ever get

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published in the Financial Times.

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And so he didn't even bother pitching it after a while.

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He just constantly got knocked back, and he stopped pitching,

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and he just started complying.

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He said it was complete self censorship.

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That's what he said.

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And, uh, yeah, other journalists said that they had to temper what they wrote because

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they knew their editors didn't like that.

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And there were people who were allied to the opposition, local Venezuelans,

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that they worked with in the newsroom.

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So, uh, There was this extremely partisan sense in, uh, sense in the newsroom.

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Western journalists overwhelmingly live in the east side of Caracas, they

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live in gated communities, they have armed guards, they have servants, uh,

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a lot of them don't speak Spanish.

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And very few of them venture into the dilapidated slums of, uh, Caracas, which,

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uh, are bastions of government support.

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And so everyone they interact with on a daily basis, uh, hates the

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government and loves the opposition.

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And so they start to imbibe that, and that's the content they produce.

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And so, yeah, ultimately It really is a story of Venezuela being the ground

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zero for journalism in the sense that it is a fantastic case study that shows

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that journalists job, if you work in corporate media, is not to present

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the truth, but it is to Push the agenda of the owners and advertisers

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of big, uh, corporate media outlets.

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So that is the billionaire class.

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And so truth goes out the window when you're fighting an information war.

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And Venezuela is the perfect example of that.

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Truth has just completely escaped, just been totally defenestrated

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when it comes to this country and propaganda reigns supreme.

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And Alan MacLeod finishes off that interview talking about Critical

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thinking, he says, ultimately we need to develop critical media literacy skills.

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We always have to be constantly analysing everything we read,

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asking, where does it come from?

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Who is writing it?

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What is their agenda?

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Who is funding this organisation?

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All sorts of questions like that.

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Why are they saying it like this?

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Why are they choosing those words?

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What is the point of this article?

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What are they trying to get me to believe here?

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So, I'm not saying Maduro is a saint, or even a good guy, and it may well

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turn out at some point that there's some corruption or something funny

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goes on in the counting of the votes.

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I don't know, but it's also quite possible that just a majority

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of Venezuelans voted for him.

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And hopefully, next time you read an article or hear something that just gives

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one side of the story without alerting people to the possibility of the other

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side of the story, then discount heavily that news source when it comes to other

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matters that you might hear from them.

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Anyway, that's enough of a rant.

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I've got that off my chest.

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Probably won't have to address Venezuela until the next election.

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I don't know.

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Anyway, I'll be back with the usual crew next week.

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And we'll rant about other things.

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Uh, talk to you then.

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Bye.