1 00:00:16,648 --> 00:00:19,547 Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast. 2 00:00:19,577 --> 00:00:21,157 I am DJ Sir Daniel. 3 00:00:21,577 --> 00:00:25,747 and my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government as Johnnie Ray Kornegay, 4 00:00:25,767 --> 00:00:27,907 the third what's happening y'all. 5 00:00:28,287 --> 00:00:32,357 welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast, dropping the needle on black 6 00:00:32,357 --> 00:00:35,347 music history and Jay Ray in our lifetime, 7 00:00:36,287 --> 00:00:41,557 We've watched Thousands of hours of biopics and documentaries. 8 00:00:42,787 --> 00:00:46,837 And when it comes to musicians and artists of our lifetime, Jay 9 00:00:46,837 --> 00:00:49,317 Ray, which medium do you prefer? 10 00:00:50,047 --> 00:00:53,822 Do you prefer biopics or do you prefer documentaries? 11 00:00:54,173 --> 00:00:58,242 I absolutely unequivocally prefer documentaries. 12 00:00:58,342 --> 00:01:06,242 Um, I like biopics when they are well done, but there's. 13 00:01:06,482 --> 00:01:07,722 They're not always well done. 14 00:01:07,722 --> 00:01:09,402 So I prefer a documentary. 15 00:01:09,412 --> 00:01:13,832 And plus I want to see, I want to hear the artists themselves speak. 16 00:01:13,882 --> 00:01:16,012 I want to hear people that were close to them speak. 17 00:01:16,232 --> 00:01:18,772 And I love seeing like behind the scenes footage. 18 00:01:18,772 --> 00:01:20,342 So documentaries, what about for 19 00:01:20,342 --> 00:01:20,552 you? 20 00:01:21,067 --> 00:01:22,977 You know, you take the words right out of my mouth. 21 00:01:22,997 --> 00:01:25,047 People are going to start to say that we share a brain 22 00:01:25,057 --> 00:01:27,327 because we pretty much agree. 23 00:01:27,527 --> 00:01:28,417 We agree. 24 00:01:28,867 --> 00:01:36,057 Like I enjoy the artistic journey that a biopic can take you on, especially when 25 00:01:36,057 --> 00:01:37,777 we're talking about casting choices. 26 00:01:37,827 --> 00:01:39,757 because that's always like at 27 00:01:39,767 --> 00:01:43,017 the top of everybody's concern is about casting. 28 00:01:43,757 --> 00:01:48,757 Um, but yes there's nothing like a documentary. 29 00:01:49,157 --> 00:01:50,417 I love it. 30 00:01:50,557 --> 00:01:53,467 The montages of old photos. 31 00:01:53,917 --> 00:01:54,227 Yes. 32 00:01:54,257 --> 00:01:54,417 I 33 00:01:54,417 --> 00:01:58,807 love behind the scenes, footage, old footage. 34 00:01:59,337 --> 00:02:01,577 And of course, I love the interviews. 35 00:02:02,817 --> 00:02:04,607 Of the people that were there 36 00:02:05,337 --> 00:02:05,667 because 37 00:02:05,667 --> 00:02:09,767 it adds so much texture and layer to the telling of the story. 38 00:02:10,447 --> 00:02:12,817 and yeah, that's, that's just it for me. 39 00:02:12,817 --> 00:02:14,377 Documentaries are it. 40 00:02:14,917 --> 00:02:15,327 And. 41 00:02:15,797 --> 00:02:19,597 before we get into the, so we're on this episode, if you haven't figured 42 00:02:19,597 --> 00:02:25,897 it out, Jay Ray and I are going to talk about our experience watching the new. 43 00:02:26,402 --> 00:02:31,682 Luther never too much documentary that came out at the beginning of November, 44 00:02:32,602 --> 00:02:35,332 um, in theaters across the nation. 45 00:02:35,792 --> 00:02:36,348 Finally. 46 00:02:36,672 --> 00:02:40,812 finally, uh, a limited release is going to be on in there only for 47 00:02:40,812 --> 00:02:46,232 a short while and it will be on streaming services in 2025, but. 48 00:02:47,292 --> 00:02:51,302 Luther Vandross is somebody you got to get out of the house and go see in 49 00:02:51,302 --> 00:02:51,932 the theater. 50 00:02:52,342 --> 00:02:57,722 But before we go talk about that, Jay Ray, is there a group or artists that you would 51 00:02:57,732 --> 00:03:03,212 like to see with the, you would like to be the subject of a biopic or a documentary? 52 00:03:05,352 --> 00:03:06,072 Um, 53 00:03:06,822 --> 00:03:07,092 biopic 54 00:03:07,852 --> 00:03:15,932 wise, you know, I would love to see a biopic of like the early years of 55 00:03:15,932 --> 00:03:18,782 Janet Jackson, like up to control. 56 00:03:18,997 --> 00:03:19,447 Okay. 57 00:03:19,577 --> 00:03:22,667 I feel like that could be a really interesting biopic. 58 00:03:22,787 --> 00:03:27,397 um, cause there's a lot of twists and turns in that story. 59 00:03:27,397 --> 00:03:34,607 You know, we got marriages, we got rumors about kids, we got, you know, um, you 60 00:03:34,607 --> 00:03:36,267 know, the family dynamic, all of that. 61 00:03:36,267 --> 00:03:41,517 So I think if I were going to pick a biopic, I would say Janet Jackson up 62 00:03:41,527 --> 00:03:44,742 through, um, Control like up to control. 63 00:03:44,752 --> 00:03:49,232 So through dream street, um, subject of a documentary, you know, a documentary, 64 00:03:49,262 --> 00:03:52,952 I would be really interested in seeing, because I think it would be super dynamic. 65 00:03:53,512 --> 00:03:56,742 Is a documentary about Yassin Bay. 66 00:03:57,232 --> 00:04:00,652 I feel like his, he has. 67 00:04:01,527 --> 00:04:08,927 Such a crazy journey, you know, actor on TV, um, rap star, uh, you know, 68 00:04:08,937 --> 00:04:14,557 now just kind of artists, you know, traveling the world sort of thing. 69 00:04:14,617 --> 00:04:20,642 I would love to see a documentary about his journey up to this point. 70 00:04:20,672 --> 00:04:21,742 I think that would be dope. 71 00:04:22,242 --> 00:04:23,342 What about that? 72 00:04:23,342 --> 00:04:24,402 would be pretty fly. 73 00:04:24,452 --> 00:04:27,012 Um, so shout out to Sparky D 74 00:04:27,622 --> 00:04:30,122 who dropped the trailer for her documentary. 75 00:04:30,162 --> 00:04:31,422 That's going to be coming soon. 76 00:04:32,072 --> 00:04:35,602 Um, and I think I've mentioned this before, Jay Ray, like I 77 00:04:35,602 --> 00:04:38,262 would, I would, love to hear. 78 00:04:39,627 --> 00:04:43,527 LA stars account of how the industry turned his back on her. 79 00:04:43,687 --> 00:04:48,427 Now, LA star, I guarantee not a whole lot of you would have heard of, probably 80 00:04:48,807 --> 00:04:53,767 have heard of her unless you were our age and, you know, watch the Rap City 81 00:04:53,767 --> 00:04:59,402 and, and pump it up and all the things and saw her, you know, her debut, but 82 00:04:59,412 --> 00:05:02,132 she was a, um, an emcee out of the Bronx. 83 00:05:02,222 --> 00:05:05,952 Um, She started, she was signed to B Boy Records back in the day and 84 00:05:05,952 --> 00:05:13,102 was featured on the B Girls Live and Kicking, um, compilation album. 85 00:05:13,542 --> 00:05:19,592 Um, she was the first person to diss Salt N Pepa, which was unheard of at the time. 86 00:05:20,072 --> 00:05:20,922 And What was it? 87 00:05:20,962 --> 00:05:21,632 Uh, right. 88 00:05:21,652 --> 00:05:22,582 Was it something Herbie? 89 00:05:22,952 --> 00:05:23,202 Right. 90 00:05:23,202 --> 00:05:24,362 That rhyme Herbie. 91 00:05:24,382 --> 00:05:24,692 Yeah. 92 00:05:25,232 --> 00:05:31,032 And, um, and then she went on to drop her debut album in 1990, along 93 00:05:31,042 --> 00:05:34,932 with the influx of other female MCs, like yo, yo, Nikki D, so on and 94 00:05:34,932 --> 00:05:36,682 so Moni Love, so on and so forth. 95 00:05:37,242 --> 00:05:39,132 And she had a lot of potential. 96 00:05:39,512 --> 00:05:41,322 She, the album is dope. 97 00:05:41,372 --> 00:05:42,592 Production is dope. 98 00:05:42,862 --> 00:05:45,652 She had a lot of potential, but then she just disappeared. 99 00:05:46,212 --> 00:05:47,262 She disappeared. 100 00:05:47,642 --> 00:05:54,332 And it wasn't until her daughter Reece Steele, came along in about 2008, 101 00:05:54,392 --> 00:06:01,612 2009, and popped up on the television, um, competition, Miss Rap Supreme. 102 00:06:02,232 --> 00:06:04,782 And it was exposed that she was in fact, L. 103 00:06:04,782 --> 00:06:04,852 A. 104 00:06:04,862 --> 00:06:05,812 star's daughter. 105 00:06:06,462 --> 00:06:10,612 And, um, that brought up a kind of another buzz, like, well, where is L. 106 00:06:10,612 --> 00:06:10,712 A. 107 00:06:10,732 --> 00:06:11,262 star? 108 00:06:11,902 --> 00:06:15,512 And there's lots of different rumors about, you know, What has 109 00:06:15,512 --> 00:06:17,322 happened to her over the years. 110 00:06:17,752 --> 00:06:25,062 And I just think that that would just be a very interesting look on how far, you 111 00:06:25,062 --> 00:06:28,442 know, how close you can be to stardom and how far it could take you away. 112 00:06:29,402 --> 00:06:32,722 on the other side of that coin, uh, no pun intended, I'm ready for 113 00:06:32,722 --> 00:06:34,302 Foxy Brown to break her silence. 114 00:06:35,002 --> 00:06:36,992 Oh, Uh, 115 00:06:36,992 --> 00:06:38,132 that's 116 00:06:38,132 --> 00:06:42,572 going to be some, some, I think there might be some bombshells. 117 00:06:42,622 --> 00:06:47,342 I don't know if she's, you know, are people going to be protected or not? 118 00:06:47,622 --> 00:06:48,692 It's going to be interesting. 119 00:06:49,302 --> 00:06:53,082 That's a real hot potato that I think people would be interested 120 00:06:53,082 --> 00:06:54,532 in seeing, especially me. 121 00:06:55,467 --> 00:06:55,747 Ooh. 122 00:06:55,767 --> 00:06:56,727 I would love to see that. 123 00:06:56,737 --> 00:06:58,257 Thank you for both of those. 124 00:06:58,277 --> 00:06:58,647 Actually. 125 00:06:58,647 --> 00:07:03,057 I would love to, um, see LA star shout out to her. 126 00:07:03,087 --> 00:07:05,867 If you are watching this LA star, definitely reach out to Queue 127 00:07:05,887 --> 00:07:11,007 Points because we would definitely love to have that conversation. 128 00:07:11,017 --> 00:07:12,337 But you're right about Foxy. 129 00:07:12,337 --> 00:07:13,327 I never even thought of that. 130 00:07:13,337 --> 00:07:14,857 That would be like, what? 131 00:07:15,607 --> 00:07:15,967 Yeah. 132 00:07:15,977 --> 00:07:17,987 I think that'd be, that would be explosive. 133 00:07:18,337 --> 00:07:18,977 Yes. 134 00:07:19,387 --> 00:07:20,077 Oh my goodness. 135 00:07:20,077 --> 00:07:28,832 So, you know, this particular film, um, I had the opportunity to see this 136 00:07:29,302 --> 00:07:36,962 in theaters in Philadelphia, and it was no small feat for Don Porter to 137 00:07:36,962 --> 00:07:43,562 get this to us to see, it just took time, like, cause I, we had heard about 138 00:07:43,562 --> 00:07:46,172 this, I think when we first started Queue Points, like, there was this 139 00:07:46,462 --> 00:07:47,682 because it was going to hit Sundance. 140 00:07:47,802 --> 00:07:48,632 It was going to do the thing. 141 00:07:48,632 --> 00:07:50,202 And we're like, Oh my goodness. 142 00:07:50,202 --> 00:07:52,302 And people have been buzzing about it since then. 143 00:07:52,302 --> 00:07:56,712 Like we have to see this Luther documentary, but I guess CNN 144 00:07:56,722 --> 00:08:00,692 finally picked it up and now we get the opportunity to see it. 145 00:08:00,702 --> 00:08:03,142 But, um, to your point. 146 00:08:03,777 --> 00:08:10,567 We definitely want to give her shout outs because this thing is such an important, 147 00:08:10,907 --> 00:08:13,327 um, piece of black music history. 148 00:08:13,327 --> 00:08:15,157 Just music history in general, and I think, 149 00:08:15,417 --> 00:08:17,087 I think folks will learn a lot from it. 150 00:08:17,957 --> 00:08:18,917 Absolutely. 151 00:08:18,937 --> 00:08:22,567 So yeah, shout out to Don Porter, shout out to trilogy films. 152 00:08:23,077 --> 00:08:23,727 Um. 153 00:08:24,622 --> 00:08:28,742 you can tell there, there requires when you're going to 154 00:08:28,742 --> 00:08:30,192 take somebody's life story, it 155 00:08:30,192 --> 00:08:34,012 requires, um, some delicacy. 156 00:08:34,672 --> 00:08:38,762 It requires some emotional intelligent, Emotional intelligence 157 00:08:38,762 --> 00:08:40,352 to approach somebody's story. 158 00:08:40,832 --> 00:08:47,042 And especially when we're here in the like TMZ era, the gotcha era, you know, 159 00:08:47,072 --> 00:08:51,892 of everything is salacious and scandalous and people, you know, and people, if 160 00:08:51,892 --> 00:08:52,982 you give that to them, 161 00:08:53,232 --> 00:08:55,882 yes, people will develop an appetite for that. 162 00:08:56,342 --> 00:09:00,402 But because someone like Don Porter and trilogy films. 163 00:09:00,842 --> 00:09:05,162 Is used to doing projects about very thoughtful things like the power of 164 00:09:05,172 --> 00:09:08,522 dreams, which is about women athletes, especially specifically black women 165 00:09:09,282 --> 00:09:09,592 athletes. 166 00:09:10,192 --> 00:09:12,202 And of course the lady bird diaries. 167 00:09:12,532 --> 00:09:12,852 Like 168 00:09:12,942 --> 00:09:16,532 I am so glad that she was able to get ahold of this project 169 00:09:16,652 --> 00:09:19,282 because it was handled well. 170 00:09:19,402 --> 00:09:23,342 Yeah, And you know, let's, I, I saw it 171 00:09:23,422 --> 00:09:24,052 myself. 172 00:09:24,052 --> 00:09:30,412 I saw it in theaters, like Jay Ray, um, sat there and it wasn't packed out. 173 00:09:31,117 --> 00:09:31,867 And like, I knew 174 00:09:32,087 --> 00:09:33,037 it should have been. 175 00:09:33,127 --> 00:09:35,667 it should have been, but it wasn't packed out maybe because 176 00:09:35,667 --> 00:09:37,397 I went, I like a matinee, I 177 00:09:37,397 --> 00:09:38,008 like, Oh, 178 00:09:38,127 --> 00:09:39,098 you are you're a matinee. 179 00:09:39,397 --> 00:09:39,817 Yeah. 180 00:09:39,817 --> 00:09:41,457 I like it early, I like a get in. 181 00:09:41,487 --> 00:09:43,237 I don't like a crowded movie theater. 182 00:09:43,237 --> 00:09:46,977 I like to be able to sit where I want to sit, but it's better now 183 00:09:46,977 --> 00:09:48,577 because seats are assigned, you know? 184 00:09:48,937 --> 00:09:52,177 Especially now that, um, movie tickets cost the arm and the leg. 185 00:09:52,337 --> 00:09:52,797 Yes. 186 00:09:53,007 --> 00:10:01,627 but just initially, what, what were your initial thoughts, um, going into the 187 00:10:01,627 --> 00:10:03,667 film, going in to see the documentary? 188 00:10:04,137 --> 00:10:05,517 Oh, that's a good question. 189 00:10:05,527 --> 00:10:10,477 So going in to see the documentary. 190 00:10:10,887 --> 00:10:18,987 I was most, I had no expectations for, um, the experience of seeing the documentary. 191 00:10:18,987 --> 00:10:26,507 Like I just didn't, you know, I just knew that Luther had been such 192 00:10:26,507 --> 00:10:31,217 an omnipresent force in our lives as we, as, as I was growing up. 193 00:10:31,527 --> 00:10:32,527 Listening to music. 194 00:10:32,567 --> 00:10:38,147 Luther had always been a part of that experience and I went to see 195 00:10:38,147 --> 00:10:42,247 it during its special screening that they had here in Philly. 196 00:10:42,247 --> 00:10:45,527 So it was, um, October 30th or 30. 197 00:10:45,547 --> 00:10:47,017 No, it was like the day before Halloween. 198 00:10:47,017 --> 00:10:53,762 So October 30th and it was maybe 10 people in the theater. 199 00:10:53,762 --> 00:10:55,702 This huge theater It had 10 people in it. 200 00:10:56,542 --> 00:11:00,502 Um, I felt super special being in there right in the, in the 201 00:11:00,502 --> 00:11:01,812 theater with, with these folks. 202 00:11:01,812 --> 00:11:04,832 Cause I felt like we were just having like a family experience, even though we 203 00:11:04,832 --> 00:11:06,862 were like spread out amongst the, crowd. 204 00:11:07,662 --> 00:11:18,157 but I was open minded to learning more about Luther's experience because Luther 205 00:11:18,157 --> 00:11:24,167 is one of those he's pre this experience where you knew a lot about an artist. 206 00:11:24,357 --> 00:11:24,687 right? 207 00:11:25,187 --> 00:11:25,387 Yes. 208 00:11:25,827 --> 00:11:30,587 So there were just things in now. 209 00:11:30,607 --> 00:11:32,667 I didn't learn a ton of new things, right? 210 00:11:32,677 --> 00:11:37,992 But the new things that I did learn were like, Oh, wow, I didn't realize that. 211 00:11:38,232 --> 00:11:41,052 Or I didn't know that, especially the childhood stuff like that 212 00:11:41,052 --> 00:11:42,432 stuff was super interesting. 213 00:11:43,002 --> 00:11:44,392 Um, so. 214 00:11:45,062 --> 00:11:49,902 I was open to learning more about this artist that existed during a 215 00:11:49,902 --> 00:11:54,832 time pre social media and he was very protective of his personal life. 216 00:11:55,212 --> 00:11:59,282 So, um, I was just kind of open to figuring out, okay, 217 00:11:59,282 --> 00:12:00,682 what made this guy tick? 218 00:12:01,202 --> 00:12:02,422 Um, what about for you? 219 00:12:02,432 --> 00:12:05,822 Like, what was your thought kind of going into this? 220 00:12:07,302 --> 00:12:10,912 Uh, I didn't have any preconceived notions. 221 00:12:10,982 --> 00:12:17,787 I just, I was just excited for the fact that, The project was completed and that 222 00:12:17,797 --> 00:12:20,267 it was, it's here for us to consume. 223 00:12:20,827 --> 00:12:26,047 because to your point, Luther Vandross is one of those people that is, was not 224 00:12:26,047 --> 00:12:32,467 super, um, there wasn't a whole lot of coverage on him, uh, even in his heyday. 225 00:12:32,957 --> 00:12:36,657 Um, which was which kind of made. 226 00:12:37,007 --> 00:12:40,187 Which kind of set the scene for artists back then. 227 00:12:40,567 --> 00:12:44,247 it was like, we, we only saw them when it was time to perform. 228 00:12:44,247 --> 00:12:46,357 So there was a lot of mystique around them. 229 00:12:46,357 --> 00:12:51,757 There was a lot of anticipation built up for projects, for performances. 230 00:12:52,147 --> 00:12:56,087 And so when we finally got to devour that, it made it 231 00:12:56,367 --> 00:12:57,537 even more delicious. 232 00:12:57,537 --> 00:12:57,887 It was like, 233 00:12:57,997 --> 00:12:58,847 Oh, thank God. 234 00:12:59,037 --> 00:12:59,517 You know. 235 00:12:59,727 --> 00:13:02,147 I've saved up my money to go see him. 236 00:13:02,507 --> 00:13:05,477 I've, you know, saved up my money to purchase this album. 237 00:13:05,767 --> 00:13:06,887 It's finally here. 238 00:13:06,887 --> 00:13:08,007 There are no leaks. 239 00:13:08,017 --> 00:13:12,317 There's no MP3s floating around on the internet where I can 240 00:13:12,317 --> 00:13:14,407 hear it before everybody else. 241 00:13:14,707 --> 00:13:16,577 And so we're all enjoying this. 242 00:13:16,637 --> 00:13:20,517 together, which brings up the fact that you said something very important. 243 00:13:20,607 --> 00:13:24,497 There was only a handful of us in that theater, but when I tell you, and we 244 00:13:24,497 --> 00:13:29,212 were spread out, but when I tell you, we were, everybody, we all laughed Let's say 245 00:13:29,242 --> 00:13:34,532 at the same time about stuff and singing, like we were trying to, you 246 00:13:34,532 --> 00:13:38,342 can tell everybody was trying to remain composed and trying not to overdo it. 247 00:13:38,832 --> 00:13:42,252 But when those songs came on and, you know, of course, 248 00:13:42,282 --> 00:13:44,262 everybody knows every last lyric. 249 00:13:44,992 --> 00:13:51,992 And so, you know, you can tell everybody's like, there's a lot of seat grinding. 250 00:13:52,392 --> 00:13:55,562 There's a lot of, a lot of muffled singing cause you don't want to. 251 00:13:55,582 --> 00:13:59,942 Uh, Oh, wait, I'm in the movie theater movie theater. 252 00:14:00,072 --> 00:14:00,942 I'm going to calm down. 253 00:14:02,362 --> 00:14:06,992 but, but it was, but I think we all kind of had permission. 254 00:14:07,432 --> 00:14:07,972 Yes 255 00:14:08,012 --> 00:14:10,162 There was like a community agreement. 256 00:14:10,172 --> 00:14:12,352 Like this is Luther y'all. 257 00:14:12,927 --> 00:14:14,047 We know these songs. 258 00:14:14,247 --> 00:14:17,697 We, We, go, there's going to be a little bit of singing and some laughing out loud. 259 00:14:17,707 --> 00:14:20,337 So I think we all gave each other permission to do that. 260 00:14:20,947 --> 00:14:21,287 Yeah. 261 00:14:21,287 --> 00:14:22,647 So two things. 262 00:14:22,677 --> 00:14:26,457 Um, I have a question for you, but before the question, so speaking 263 00:14:26,457 --> 00:14:30,087 to that idea about singing, there was this particular moment. 264 00:14:30,097 --> 00:14:31,887 So Nat Adderley Jr. 265 00:14:31,887 --> 00:14:37,367 was Luther's musical director and Matt, um, was telling these stories and the 266 00:14:37,367 --> 00:14:39,817 funniest thing I thought he said, he was like, well, if Luther was going to do 267 00:14:39,817 --> 00:14:44,517 a cover, it was going to be slower and it was going to be like longer, right. 268 00:14:44,987 --> 00:14:47,667 So, but there was this moment that they show. 269 00:14:48,777 --> 00:14:52,807 It had to be like 86 era Luther, um, because he just had that look where 270 00:14:52,807 --> 00:14:56,267 they were sitting in the studio at the piano and Luther was just a singing. 271 00:14:56,627 --> 00:15:01,487 Luther was just like a singing next to him while Nat is kind of 272 00:15:01,487 --> 00:15:03,367 working through the arrangement. 273 00:15:03,537 --> 00:15:04,957 I think they were doing superstar. 274 00:15:05,027 --> 00:15:06,447 I think they were doing superstar. 275 00:15:06,447 --> 00:15:10,427 and it was like, They were figuring out all the parts, right? 276 00:15:10,427 --> 00:15:17,567 And this sister who was over to my right and up, she said, damn Luther, shit, 277 00:15:20,712 --> 00:15:22,127 like, ugh. 278 00:15:22,182 --> 00:15:23,002 All that talent. 279 00:15:23,897 --> 00:15:26,237 all of this talent. 280 00:15:26,267 --> 00:15:27,707 That was just oozing. 281 00:15:27,707 --> 00:15:30,602 because Nat was also like, yeah, that. 282 00:15:30,782 --> 00:15:31,002 yes. 283 00:15:31,302 --> 00:15:31,842 And you 284 00:15:31,842 --> 00:15:34,362 know, Yeah, I that. 285 00:15:35,402 --> 00:15:39,552 That synergy that we got to witness is magic. 286 00:15:40,102 --> 00:15:45,792 There's a synergy between when people find their tribe and they, 287 00:15:45,802 --> 00:15:49,382 they're there to do something and they're there to do it together. 288 00:15:49,652 --> 00:15:53,812 And it's meant to be, then you have moments of magic like that. 289 00:15:53,892 --> 00:15:56,572 And it was just like, they were already in the pocket together. 290 00:15:57,182 --> 00:16:02,722 Cause I think, um, The other, his other singer was there too. 291 00:16:02,732 --> 00:16:04,102 It was the other gentlemen. 292 00:16:04,212 --> 00:16:04,932 Oh yes. 293 00:16:05,062 --> 00:16:05,352 You know what? 294 00:16:05,362 --> 00:16:06,942 I can't remember his name. 295 00:16:07,662 --> 00:16:11,962 But they were all there and they were just like, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 296 00:16:11,962 --> 00:16:13,132 So yes, that was a lot. 297 00:16:13,142 --> 00:16:14,282 That was a dope moment. 298 00:16:14,682 --> 00:16:15,912 That was a really dope moment. 299 00:16:16,132 --> 00:16:17,142 Um, question. 300 00:16:17,142 --> 00:16:17,372 So the 301 00:16:17,372 --> 00:16:17,992 question you have 302 00:16:17,992 --> 00:16:18,262 for me, 303 00:16:18,302 --> 00:16:23,082 So the question I have for you, I think the thing that became really apparent, 304 00:16:23,292 --> 00:16:29,102 and we had heard rumblings of this as Anita Baker went back out on tour, right? 305 00:16:29,192 --> 00:16:33,832 We started to re re examine the career of Luther Vandross, Yes. 306 00:16:37,372 --> 00:16:46,032 The fact that Luther in all of his brilliance, um, Just 307 00:16:46,032 --> 00:16:51,437 seemed like he couldn't get you know, out of the black man. 308 00:16:51,657 --> 00:16:57,147 This is a, of the black singer box, which is wild to me to think about because I 309 00:16:57,167 --> 00:17:01,437 see Luther as such a bigger artist, right? 310 00:17:01,737 --> 00:17:08,157 So, What are your thoughts on that thing that they did spend some 311 00:17:08,157 --> 00:17:13,467 time on the fact that this man really, he wanted to cross over 312 00:17:13,627 --> 00:17:13,967 Right. 313 00:17:14,777 --> 00:17:17,587 to me, Luther seemed like the perfect crossover artist, 314 00:17:17,607 --> 00:17:19,837 but he, they didn't see him. 315 00:17:19,867 --> 00:17:22,627 I'm curious to know your thoughts on that. 316 00:17:22,657 --> 00:17:24,417 Why wasn't Luther seen? 317 00:17:25,067 --> 00:17:30,337 So, you know, we spent a lot of time, we've done episodes on being black 318 00:17:30,337 --> 00:17:35,427 famous, and, um, it just so happened that we, we spent time talking about a white 319 00:17:35,477 --> 00:17:40,832 artist being black famous, but the same Phenomenon happens to black artists. 320 00:17:40,872 --> 00:17:46,162 You can, you are held, you are on the Chitlin circuit, even though the 321 00:17:46,162 --> 00:17:50,652 Chitlin circuit has expanded, you remain on that Chitlin circuit, you 322 00:17:50,652 --> 00:17:53,242 are a household name in black homes. 323 00:17:53,812 --> 00:17:59,082 Um, but for whatever reason, a moment, there hasn't been a moment yet where you 324 00:17:59,082 --> 00:18:04,512 got exposed to the, the larger public, which happens to include white people. 325 00:18:05,612 --> 00:18:07,212 And so you're right. 326 00:18:07,232 --> 00:18:09,332 Like I figured a lot of those songs. 327 00:18:09,922 --> 00:18:11,492 I think nowadays. 328 00:18:12,242 --> 00:18:17,032 A lot of more people know about Luther Vandross because of those ballads. 329 00:18:17,062 --> 00:18:17,202 They 330 00:18:17,202 --> 00:18:20,202 know those ballads, they know that they've been included in 331 00:18:20,212 --> 00:18:23,022 their, um, in their weddings 332 00:18:23,362 --> 00:18:25,772 and major life moments like that. 333 00:18:26,122 --> 00:18:31,002 Um, I think the Oprah interviews exposed them to a lot more people 334 00:18:31,002 --> 00:18:34,697 also, Cause you know, Oprah had, Oprah had a major viewership. 335 00:18:36,112 --> 00:18:38,132 audience outside of just black people. 336 00:18:38,562 --> 00:18:46,692 So, but that pursuit, I can't help, but to think it was eluding him the crossover. 337 00:18:46,702 --> 00:18:52,092 It was eluding him because partially because he was 338 00:18:52,272 --> 00:18:54,667 because of his physical makeup. 339 00:18:55,102 --> 00:18:55,502 Yeah. 340 00:18:55,812 --> 00:18:56,022 So, 341 00:18:56,942 --> 00:19:02,022 you know, in the very beginning of the documentary, it's mentioned about how 342 00:19:02,682 --> 00:19:09,002 you don't get as much attention when you're large and when you're dark skin. 343 00:19:09,142 --> 00:19:09,572 Yep. 344 00:19:09,812 --> 00:19:14,997 Which automatically I was like, Oh, they tricked me. 345 00:19:14,997 --> 00:19:17,367 This is, this is a documentary about my life. 346 00:19:17,417 --> 00:19:17,647 Wait, 347 00:19:17,657 --> 00:19:20,627 did somebody, Oh, I thought this was about Luther Banjos. 348 00:19:20,677 --> 00:19:22,037 This, no, this isn't about me. 349 00:19:22,097 --> 00:19:22,907 Oh, okay. 350 00:19:23,347 --> 00:19:26,167 I literally saw my J Ray. 351 00:19:26,187 --> 00:19:29,107 That was, there was a moment where they flashed a picture of 352 00:19:29,107 --> 00:19:31,087 him and I'm going to find it. 353 00:19:31,597 --> 00:19:33,587 I'm going to find this picture that I have. 354 00:19:33,927 --> 00:19:35,447 And I was like, that's me. 355 00:19:36,947 --> 00:19:40,997 That is literally me by the time, when you see this episode, we're going to put, 356 00:19:41,027 --> 00:19:42,877 we're going to superimpose a picture of 357 00:19:42,897 --> 00:19:43,077 that. 358 00:19:43,077 --> 00:19:45,897 I'm talking about, and you're going to be like, Oh yeah. 359 00:19:46,147 --> 00:19:53,427 So Dan was a young Luther Vandross and that I think because the record company, 360 00:19:53,727 --> 00:19:55,997 they could sell the hell out of his voice. 361 00:19:56,413 --> 00:20:01,612 But the industry was turning more and more visual. 362 00:20:02,252 --> 00:20:05,922 There were visual aspects added to this music industry. 363 00:20:05,972 --> 00:20:10,692 We are, they were, we are a music video industry at this time. 364 00:20:10,702 --> 00:20:12,712 Music videos are super important. 365 00:20:13,142 --> 00:20:16,952 And we've talked about when you're a larger person, the music industry, 366 00:20:16,992 --> 00:20:19,572 you're going to shoot videos, but you're going to be either 367 00:20:19,602 --> 00:20:23,642 animated, or you're going to be only shot from the neck up. 368 00:20:24,162 --> 00:20:27,862 And, you know, there's not, there's not going to be a whole lot of movement, 369 00:20:28,942 --> 00:20:36,332 but I think because of that, and because of his own battle with his 370 00:20:36,332 --> 00:20:42,102 weight and his obsession, and we found that it was an obsession for him 371 00:20:42,502 --> 00:20:49,702 that a lot of those things kept the general public away from away from him. 372 00:20:49,762 --> 00:20:53,592 Well, not the general public, but I mean the, the, the crossover public, because 373 00:20:53,592 --> 00:20:55,012 they didn't know what to do with him. 374 00:20:56,662 --> 00:21:00,372 they couldn't, they couldn't put him shirtless on 375 00:21:00,372 --> 00:21:00,502 a 376 00:21:00,892 --> 00:21:03,802 tub of butter or or, on the cover of a magazine. 377 00:21:03,802 --> 00:21:04,382 You know what I'm saying? 378 00:21:04,382 --> 00:21:04,472 They 379 00:21:04,472 --> 00:21:11,422 couldn't sell love, but they couldn't sell sex with Luther. 380 00:21:11,622 --> 00:21:13,842 You know what that is? 381 00:21:14,222 --> 00:21:16,852 you are absolutely correct in all of those points. 382 00:21:16,882 --> 00:21:22,862 And I think also it's an indictment on how 383 00:21:26,122 --> 00:21:32,377 Luther's representation of the masculinity doesn't fit into 384 00:21:32,677 --> 00:21:34,487 the traditionally masculine. 385 00:21:34,487 --> 00:21:38,057 Like there was a stark contrast between like a Gerald 386 00:21:38,057 --> 00:21:39,497 Levert and a Luther Vandross. 387 00:21:39,507 --> 00:21:40,267 Yes, 388 00:21:40,717 --> 00:21:41,197 start. 389 00:21:41,217 --> 00:21:44,653 Gerald was going to get all of that attention. 390 00:21:44,997 --> 00:21:46,737 He was going to grind in your face. 391 00:21:47,012 --> 00:21:47,212 Yes. 392 00:21:47,802 --> 00:21:50,722 And no women was going and he was as big as Luther and they was going 393 00:21:50,732 --> 00:21:57,592 like it and same with Barry White and Luther's representation of masculinity 394 00:21:57,592 --> 00:21:59,932 presented itself really differently. 395 00:22:00,262 --> 00:22:03,332 Now, people will say that there's a lot of reasons for that. 396 00:22:03,877 --> 00:22:09,007 What I thought the documentary also did really well is not give us tea. 397 00:22:09,587 --> 00:22:10,157 You know what I'm 398 00:22:10,157 --> 00:22:10,397 saying? 399 00:22:11,227 --> 00:22:11,877 Yeah. 400 00:22:11,977 --> 00:22:14,617 I mean, they kind of, it kind of did it, 401 00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:20,707 it it broached the subject because there was, you couldn't not talk about, 402 00:22:22,227 --> 00:22:28,327 um, Luther and his sexuality because of the world we live in And part of 403 00:22:28,637 --> 00:22:32,287 Rock and roll is the sex and the drugs. 404 00:22:32,797 --> 00:22:35,097 We're going to get no drugs from, from Luther. 405 00:22:35,172 --> 00:22:38,732 we weren't getting sex from him either. 406 00:22:38,772 --> 00:22:40,957 And then, so of course the question was going to come up. 407 00:22:41,662 --> 00:22:49,162 If this man can, can do these things with his vocals that will have women shivering 408 00:22:49,182 --> 00:22:54,462 in their seats and he could do these vocal gymnastics to have people fall in love 409 00:22:54,532 --> 00:22:58,057 or want to make love, Why is he alone? 410 00:22:58,097 --> 00:23:03,427 And then he was not, he wasn't shy about talking about how love kept eluding him 411 00:23:04,227 --> 00:23:12,377 and and yeah, and how that kept eluding him and oh my God, the, the, the breakdown 412 00:23:12,437 --> 00:23:15,177 of what any love actually means was, Oh, 413 00:23:15,537 --> 00:23:21,648 I will never, um, listen to that song the same way again. 414 00:23:22,187 --> 00:23:22,517 And the 415 00:23:22,517 --> 00:23:25,547 fact that Marcus Miller said that he was like, I always tell people 416 00:23:25,547 --> 00:23:29,357 if you want to understand who Luther is, just play any love. 417 00:23:29,377 --> 00:23:31,257 And that explains it. 418 00:23:31,257 --> 00:23:35,777 And that song became such a massive hit speaks to the experience that 419 00:23:35,777 --> 00:23:39,457 so many have, but Luther himself was having that experience. 420 00:23:39,997 --> 00:23:41,207 And when his. 421 00:23:41,427 --> 00:23:42,527 Assistant. 422 00:23:42,987 --> 00:23:44,107 God bless that assistant. 423 00:23:44,107 --> 00:23:48,467 Cause when he broke down and he said, this man wasn't looking for love. 424 00:23:48,467 --> 00:23:50,427 He was looking for any 425 00:23:50,457 --> 00:23:50,877 any 426 00:23:50,887 --> 00:23:51,667 love. 427 00:23:52,457 --> 00:23:59,077 which Jay Ray, which brings, why do people still, and we've heard the story countless 428 00:23:59,087 --> 00:24:04,617 times about the brilliant actor, singer, 429 00:24:06,842 --> 00:24:12,632 rapper that reaches the highest of heights. 430 00:24:12,682 --> 00:24:13,112 Yes. 431 00:24:13,732 --> 00:24:18,982 They get the money that they'll never be able to spend in their lifetime. 432 00:24:19,452 --> 00:24:29,722 But They, that fame is so double edged and happiness tends to elude them. 433 00:24:31,732 --> 00:24:35,352 I, why do people, why do people still trying to achieve that? 434 00:24:35,762 --> 00:24:41,602 I wonder why people, why people still trying to make that the end all be all. 435 00:24:42,412 --> 00:24:48,962 Of being an artist and artistry because they all say it. 436 00:24:49,302 --> 00:24:49,812 Oh yeah. 437 00:24:49,842 --> 00:24:51,302 I love making the music. 438 00:24:51,742 --> 00:24:56,462 I love getting paid, but that fame stuff, y'all can keep the fame. 439 00:24:56,472 --> 00:24:58,302 The fame is ridiculous. 440 00:24:58,302 --> 00:24:59,492 The fame will kill you. 441 00:25:01,032 --> 00:25:08,372 I think we are seeing it's because of what society does. 442 00:25:08,372 --> 00:25:10,302 I think what we do to our celebrities. 443 00:25:10,382 --> 00:25:12,532 I've always been really clear, like 444 00:25:14,672 --> 00:25:16,892 the fame is not that interesting to me. 445 00:25:17,442 --> 00:25:19,822 I don't need everyone. 446 00:25:19,892 --> 00:25:22,952 I'm not interested in everyone knowing who I am. 447 00:25:23,132 --> 00:25:28,582 I like to go shopping for my grapes and my apples in my peaceful time and 448 00:25:28,582 --> 00:25:34,312 not be worried about all of this stuff, or at least having people understand. 449 00:25:35,422 --> 00:25:35,952 This is it. 450 00:25:36,752 --> 00:25:45,192 Everybody has, I think, a desire to have a job that people respect and 451 00:25:45,192 --> 00:25:46,922 adore them for the work that they do. 452 00:25:47,712 --> 00:25:47,822 And 453 00:25:47,822 --> 00:25:49,852 that I think is a lot of what it is. 454 00:25:49,882 --> 00:25:53,522 It's that when Luther's on that stage, when he's in that studio, when he's 455 00:25:53,522 --> 00:25:56,642 dropping these records, and this is for all celebrities, like it's their job. 456 00:25:56,712 --> 00:25:58,682 Like, no, I'm just like working. 457 00:25:58,982 --> 00:26:04,477 It just so happens that my job is entertainment I'm here to do that, right? 458 00:26:04,827 --> 00:26:08,907 But what we've done is we've raised entertainment, uh, entertainers up so 459 00:26:08,907 --> 00:26:11,457 that they're not like real people, right? 460 00:26:11,857 --> 00:26:16,997 And there is a desire for folks to feel elevated over folks because 461 00:26:16,997 --> 00:26:19,197 there is so many folks, Right. 462 00:26:19,517 --> 00:26:22,147 So I think it's just a natural human desire. 463 00:26:23,142 --> 00:26:26,292 And I think what happens time and time again, which is why 464 00:26:26,292 --> 00:26:27,432 I'm not interested in it. 465 00:26:27,752 --> 00:26:31,782 You find people that get to that level and be like, nah, son, no, I 466 00:26:31,782 --> 00:26:36,612 want what you got, I still want to do what I do because that's what I do. 467 00:26:36,612 --> 00:26:38,172 And that's how I earn a living. 468 00:26:38,512 --> 00:26:43,222 But I would rather have what you have where you could like walk outside. 469 00:26:45,672 --> 00:26:47,772 So I think that's a lot of it. 470 00:26:47,812 --> 00:26:50,292 And I think the other piece. 471 00:26:50,817 --> 00:26:57,597 To this, though, is Luther had a baseline desire for love. 472 00:26:57,647 --> 00:27:02,637 And that is a very, he wrote about it ad nauseum. 473 00:27:03,237 --> 00:27:06,617 He helped other people discover it. 474 00:27:06,627 --> 00:27:12,587 He gave people language to experience it, but that thing alluded him. 475 00:27:12,657 --> 00:27:15,707 And part of that is also, I think 476 00:27:17,337 --> 00:27:24,767 if you, if you, are like a regular person, And you're trying to date Luther Vandross, 477 00:27:24,777 --> 00:27:30,437 like Luther Vandross was brilliant by every stretch of the imagination. 478 00:27:30,437 --> 00:27:32,497 Like he was going to write you under the table. 479 00:27:32,497 --> 00:27:34,207 He was going to produce you under the table. 480 00:27:34,207 --> 00:27:36,377 He was going to sing you under the table. 481 00:27:36,647 --> 00:27:43,182 He was excellent at what he did that intimidates people. 482 00:27:44,622 --> 00:27:46,262 across gender spectrum. 483 00:27:47,342 --> 00:27:52,512 It was always going to be hard for Luther because he was going to need 484 00:27:52,522 --> 00:27:56,382 someone who was as brilliant as he was. 485 00:27:56,712 --> 00:27:58,622 That's a very small number of people. 486 00:28:00,192 --> 00:28:02,602 I Think you hit the nail on the head with that one. 487 00:28:04,072 --> 00:28:04,702 Yeah. 488 00:28:05,442 --> 00:28:05,772 Yep 489 00:28:05,792 --> 00:28:05,902 You 490 00:28:05,902 --> 00:28:06,612 were either going to, 491 00:28:06,742 --> 00:28:09,912 you were going to either, he, would have had to step down 492 00:28:11,967 --> 00:28:16,737 and not down as in, he would have had to, it would have had to be a 493 00:28:16,737 --> 00:28:18,697 person that wasn't where he was. 494 00:28:18,737 --> 00:28:22,987 And unfortunately he was where he was at. 495 00:28:23,597 --> 00:28:23,837 Right. 496 00:28:24,807 --> 00:28:25,027 Yeah. 497 00:28:25,027 --> 00:28:25,567 You either. 498 00:28:26,167 --> 00:28:26,337 Yeah. 499 00:28:26,747 --> 00:28:27,117 Or. 500 00:28:27,882 --> 00:28:31,552 He was going to expect you to raise up or rise up to be where he was. 501 00:28:32,052 --> 00:28:33,302 And that's a lot. 502 00:28:33,652 --> 00:28:38,202 That would be a lot, especially if you, you didn't have the headstart like he did. 503 00:28:38,202 --> 00:28:42,472 Cause he started as a teenager, you know, singing on Sesame street. 504 00:28:43,092 --> 00:28:45,112 Um, Shout out to that to 505 00:28:45,112 --> 00:28:48,592 our Sesame Street episode you will hear about us talk about Luther 506 00:28:48,592 --> 00:28:52,052 Vandross on our Sesame Street episode So you should go revisit that 507 00:28:52,752 --> 00:28:56,882 But, um, in closing, I just think. 508 00:28:57,542 --> 00:28:57,753 Go ahead 509 00:28:57,992 --> 00:28:58,982 before you before we close. 510 00:28:59,612 --> 00:29:01,792 Um, I want to ask you this question, cause I don't want to forget. 511 00:29:01,992 --> 00:29:06,942 Did you, what was the thing that you learned about that was like, 512 00:29:07,222 --> 00:29:11,142 Oh, I either didn't remember that or that was surprising. 513 00:29:13,822 --> 00:29:18,822 you know This is so funny Really the thing that blew my mind Jay Ray 514 00:29:19,562 --> 00:29:21,552 was that he designed their costumes 515 00:29:22,787 --> 00:29:26,947 I did not know that I did not know that he designed, I thought, you know, 516 00:29:26,947 --> 00:29:32,497 I thought like most people he could have a custom made outfit for him and 517 00:29:32,497 --> 00:29:36,477 the crew, you know, I think he would reach out to a Versace or whoever. 518 00:29:36,867 --> 00:29:39,207 No, he had in his mind. 519 00:29:39,487 --> 00:29:46,362 And this is where you can, um, you can, tell Luther was, A fan obsessed 520 00:29:46,792 --> 00:29:52,042 with performers and performance, and you could tell he was a child of 521 00:29:52,042 --> 00:29:56,392 Motown because the way the kids in Motown presented themselves was very 522 00:29:56,422 --> 00:30:00,122 buttoned up, very, you know, together. 523 00:30:00,392 --> 00:30:03,492 And all that influence, especially, you know, he loved the 524 00:30:03,492 --> 00:30:05,522 Supremes All that glitter, baby. 525 00:30:05,532 --> 00:30:09,952 He loved all that glitter, all the glitter and see when He was like, I 526 00:30:09,952 --> 00:30:16,582 want that, but in a male form, So I'm going to have my suits that be dazzled. 527 00:30:16,582 --> 00:30:19,742 You're going to see me sparkling from the nosebleed seats, and you're 528 00:30:19,742 --> 00:30:21,882 going to see our primary singers. 529 00:30:21,882 --> 00:30:23,342 We are going to be looking the same. 530 00:30:23,712 --> 00:30:24,222 So that I. 531 00:30:24,407 --> 00:30:31,447 I do appreciate about Luther is Luther always surrounded himself with uber 532 00:30:31,457 --> 00:30:36,847 talented people and made them part of the collective from, from when he was with 533 00:30:37,117 --> 00:30:37,857 Luther. 534 00:30:38,477 --> 00:30:43,277 the group Luther to the, um, to what we saw on stage with him and Lisa 535 00:30:43,277 --> 00:30:48,947 Stansfield and Sherry and, um, I believe his name is Tony all on stage. 536 00:30:49,417 --> 00:30:52,407 And he made sure that he wasn't the only one that was dolled up. 537 00:30:52,737 --> 00:30:54,137 Everybody had to come correct. 538 00:30:54,797 --> 00:30:55,337 and 539 00:30:55,802 --> 00:31:00,952 that was a level of excellence that Luther expected from Everybody 540 00:31:01,432 --> 00:31:03,032 that was going to be on tour. 541 00:31:03,322 --> 00:31:07,842 And I thought it was pretty funny that a lot of those things weren't mentioned 542 00:31:07,872 --> 00:31:15,712 in the documentary about the, the TIFFs, but I think we saw that his work ethic, I 543 00:31:15,722 --> 00:31:20,562 think it answered all of those questions about why those, some of those failed 544 00:31:20,562 --> 00:31:22,923 relationships happen with tour mates. 545 00:31:23,542 --> 00:31:27,632 So I think there really wasn't a need to address those things, but yeah, 546 00:31:27,727 --> 00:31:31,332 the, the costuming and his love for fanfare. 547 00:31:32,122 --> 00:31:35,962 I mean, I knew he, I knew he loved flair, but him 548 00:31:36,037 --> 00:31:39,142 putting the, like the sequence, you know, designing the jackets and whatnot. 549 00:31:39,152 --> 00:31:40,072 I was like, Okay. 550 00:31:40,072 --> 00:31:41,172 That makes a lot of sense. 551 00:31:41,492 --> 00:31:44,597 And you know what, especially when you're a big guy, you can't 552 00:31:44,702 --> 00:31:46,437 always get stuff off the rack. 553 00:31:47,172 --> 00:31:54,367 And so I imagine if you, you're a fabulous person or naturally, and you're an 554 00:31:54,412 --> 00:31:58,342 entertainer and you want people to have a really great experience when they come 555 00:31:58,342 --> 00:32:00,072 see you, you're going to go all out. 556 00:32:00,232 --> 00:32:02,872 all out for your parents. 557 00:32:03,202 --> 00:32:08,442 And so you can't have, you can do anything but thank him for. 558 00:32:08,852 --> 00:32:12,777 For just giving excellence for always delivering excellence. 559 00:32:13,202 --> 00:32:22,952 Yeah, for me, it puts a exclamation point on the disco era. 560 00:32:22,962 --> 00:32:32,122 And I think I tweeted this, um, that it is our birthright as black 561 00:32:32,122 --> 00:32:37,072 folks to reclaim disco for the brilliance that it was because Luther 562 00:32:37,072 --> 00:32:40,762 said, that's the era I came from. 563 00:32:42,192 --> 00:32:52,262 If Luther Vandross came from that era in all of his brilliance, and we 564 00:32:52,262 --> 00:32:57,682 look back and reflect on the music that was created during that era. 565 00:32:58,182 --> 00:33:00,832 some of the most innovative. 566 00:33:01,932 --> 00:33:09,032 Uplifting, loving music came from that time, and I think it definitely put 567 00:33:09,032 --> 00:33:15,202 an exclamation point for me on, we need to make sure that we reclaim it. 568 00:33:15,422 --> 00:33:21,502 Um, because I never, the way they weaved it together and when, um, now Roger 569 00:33:21,502 --> 00:33:26,992 said, nah, let's be clear, Luthor's on every Sheik release, like period. 570 00:33:27,227 --> 00:33:31,667 And once you find that out for those people that didn't 571 00:33:31,667 --> 00:33:33,727 know that you can't not hear 572 00:33:33,727 --> 00:33:34,137 him You 573 00:33:34,137 --> 00:33:37,267 cannot, all the, all of these sister sledge stuff. 574 00:33:37,267 --> 00:33:39,817 He was like like Luther on that. 575 00:33:39,857 --> 00:33:42,057 Like Luther's on it it 576 00:33:42,057 --> 00:33:43,067 change 577 00:33:43,117 --> 00:33:47,477 every all of all of them, if all of that, you're absolutely right. 578 00:33:47,477 --> 00:33:52,397 And I love that, you know, the reclamation of disco and hopefully, 579 00:33:52,727 --> 00:33:54,337 hopefully somebody will see this. 580 00:33:54,347 --> 00:33:57,937 Some young, talented person will see this and You bring it back. 581 00:33:58,577 --> 00:33:59,417 Yes. 582 00:33:59,517 --> 00:34:00,097 Yes. 583 00:34:00,127 --> 00:34:05,967 Um, highly recommend folks watch this documentary, watch 584 00:34:05,967 --> 00:34:07,437 it with your loved ones. 585 00:34:07,437 --> 00:34:10,997 I actually kind of, uh, regretted that my mom didn't go. 586 00:34:10,997 --> 00:34:13,687 I said, mom, Oh, if you want to come and see it with me, but it was like late. 587 00:34:13,877 --> 00:34:14,277 You know what I mean? 588 00:34:14,517 --> 00:34:16,467 she was like, I don't know if I want to do all of that. 589 00:34:17,007 --> 00:34:22,337 But, um, when it comes on streaming, watch this for the holidays. 590 00:34:22,347 --> 00:34:25,807 If you can see it for the holidays, definitely watch it. 591 00:34:26,197 --> 00:34:29,997 I feel like it's one of the, it's required viewing for black folks. 592 00:34:30,277 --> 00:34:34,967 Luther Vandross is the soundtrack, uh, is part of the soundtrack of our lives. 593 00:34:34,967 --> 00:34:36,627 And I feel like everybody needs to see it. 594 00:34:37,862 --> 00:34:38,972 I agree with that. 595 00:34:39,342 --> 00:34:40,932 Absolutely required. 596 00:34:41,512 --> 00:34:49,622 viewing for black households, what I would like for individuals also to do when they 597 00:34:49,622 --> 00:34:57,922 see this, or after they've seen this, I want it to make people more empathetic. 598 00:34:59,432 --> 00:35:02,692 I think this documentary has the power to, 599 00:35:05,677 --> 00:35:10,257 yeah, it has the power to us to look at people. 600 00:35:10,657 --> 00:35:17,567 more holistically and to always remember that what you're seeing 601 00:35:18,317 --> 00:35:21,897 is not always the reality. 602 00:35:21,967 --> 00:35:29,297 people send their best representative and that person that's always looks 603 00:35:29,347 --> 00:35:32,897 driven and, you know, is always happy. 604 00:35:33,827 --> 00:35:37,707 That's probably because they're covering up the compensating for something. 605 00:35:38,337 --> 00:35:43,272 And so I just hope that, you know, we, we just become a little bit 606 00:35:43,272 --> 00:35:49,932 more empathetic other after seeing this movie and that we treasure, 607 00:35:51,652 --> 00:35:55,112 this music more and more each day. 608 00:35:55,962 --> 00:36:00,542 And you know, like you said, just make it a requirement in your black 609 00:36:00,552 --> 00:36:05,532 household because in this right now in this world, the way things are going, 610 00:36:05,902 --> 00:36:12,035 we are going to need to hold on to our artifacts of blackness because 611 00:36:12,035 --> 00:36:14,882 there might be an erasure coming. 612 00:36:15,282 --> 00:36:19,962 In some form or fashion, but while it's in theaters, and even when it 613 00:36:19,962 --> 00:36:25,532 goes to streaming, I think I can safely say that Queue Points highly, highly 614 00:36:25,532 --> 00:36:33,412 recommends Never Too Much documentary by Don Porter and Trilogy Films. 615 00:36:33,852 --> 00:36:37,562 If you have the opportunity, please, please, please go see it. 616 00:36:38,182 --> 00:36:38,652 All right. 617 00:36:39,412 --> 00:36:40,112 Yes. 618 00:36:40,142 --> 00:36:40,592 Yes. 619 00:36:40,952 --> 00:36:44,582 For those of you who are checking us out, thank you so much for being here. 620 00:36:44,592 --> 00:36:49,872 As we say all the time, if you can see our faces, if you can hear our voices, please 621 00:36:49,872 --> 00:36:51,492 hit the subscribe button wherever you are. 622 00:36:51,492 --> 00:36:54,972 And if there's a notification bell hit that too, so that you can get notified 623 00:36:55,032 --> 00:36:58,152 about, um, 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