Are you ready to get more done than you ever thought possible?

In this episode, we are talking about.

Productivity, you'll learn a new human first definition of productivity,

why productivity happens before you take action, and why space is more

powerful than systems and stick around to the end where we share the real

reason things aren't getting done.

Welcome to Architecture Business Club, the show that helps you build

a better business in architecture so you can enjoy more freedom,

flexibility, and fulfillment.

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We're joined by Louise Miller, a productivity mentor.

The founder of Make It Happen Club and the host of the UN Frazzled podcast.

She's on a mission to change the world by helping her clients change

the world to discover changes you can make to be more productive.

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So Louise, we are going to talk about productivity.

We can get more done without burning ourselves out, and we're gonna

challenge, I think, what people think of productivity in the conversation.

So let's begin with what's your definition of productivity?

Yeah.

So I am gonna contrast my definition with what a lot of

people would say if you asked them.

So if you asked most people what they would say, productivity is,

I think what they'd say is some version of doing more in less time.

It's about getting more done in less time.

But for me, I find that kind of makes me immediately go a bit tense and

kind of thinking about it that way in my previous life before I started my

business actually made me ill because it's constantly kind of in this battle

against time that you're never gonna win.

'cause time will keep ticking along.

You're never really finished.

So if you are looking at it as doing more in less time, and that's it.

I don't think that's particularly helpful.

So the definition I came up with, which I kind of, I was gonna say I

was forced to come up with, I wasn't forced nobody, you know, nobody was

standing over me with a big stick.

But in order for me to do my work, which you know, is helping people get stuff

done, I needed to redefine it so that I felt comfortable and that I wasn't

leading people along a merry path to burnout and making themselves ill.

So the way that I look at it now, and the way I talk about it with my clients and in

the work that I do, is that productivity is about doing what's important.

As efficiently as you can to create space for what you love.

And I think the two key things in that, that's different from what a

lot, a lot of people would say is it's about doing what's important,

not doing all of the things.

And it's about creating space, not about doing more, doing

so that you can do more doing.

There's quite a big difference, isn't there?

There between those two approaches to it.

I think so.

I mean, it can feel a bit subtle, but usually when I share that definition,

people's shoulders just relax a little bit and all of a sudden it

just puts a whole different um, yeah, different perspective on things.

'cause it's like, why are you doing what you're doing?

And if you can start to think about that as well, you can let

go of a lot of the stuff that actually might not be important.

It might not be helping you get where you wanna go.

And that was also, you know, quite liberating I think for people.

think, I

think with some people, their experiences that there's like,

um, to be seen, to be busy.

but not necessarily doing the things that really kind of push things forward.

And I've absolutely have been guilty of this, you know, that, that thing

you mentioned there about this idea of productivity where it's just.

Trying to do things quicker so we can cram more in and do more,

just more and more and more.

Um, I've definitely found myself in that position before and felt quite

stressed about it, to be quite honest.

Yeah, me too.

It made me ill, I ended up signed off work with, uh, work related

stress and anxiety when that was how I was going through life.

And I had colleagues also actually I was, um, working for a university at

the time and I had colleagues that whenever anyone asked them how they

were, their answer would be busy.

Mm.

And I would quite often know that actually they weren't

busy 'cause I was managing them.

I had an eye on what they were doing, but they were so terrified

of saying that they weren't busy for fear of what that would mean.

Someone would give them more to do or they'd be seen as lazy or something.

It's a really strange relationship that we have, I think with that word.

It's interesting.

Yeah.

Busy.

Busy doing what?

Yes, exactly.

Yeah.

Something that I've heard you talk about, you, you believe that.

Productivity happens before you take action.

Can you explain that for us?

Yeah, absolutely.

So I'm going to share an analogy that I think is helpful when we think about this.

So, running a business can be a bit like walking through a forest, right?

You wanna get to the other side, um, and you set out all excited

that you're going on an adventure.

Um, but.

There comes a point, yes, there are nice areas of dappled sunlight and it

all feels lovely and there's squirrels running about and it's lovely, but

you also reach a point sometimes where, well, not sometimes, I think

all of the time, where you end up in those kind of damp, dank corners of

the forest and there's muddy puddles, and it all starts to feel a little

bit scary, and you can start to feel like you're walking around in circles.

You've got your eyes on your feet.

Because you don't wanna trip over the tree roots or those kinds of

things, and you've just got your head down and you're keeping going.

But then you start to wonder, am I actually going in the right direction?

Have I seen that tree before?

Start to feel a bit lost, perhaps get in a bit of a panic.

So at that point, you have a choice.

You can either keep walking and hope for the best, or you can

take a, you know, take a pause.

And in my little analogy, it just so happens as luck would

have it, there's a tree house.

So we've, we've stopped.

We're walking around, we're feeling a bit lost.

We stopped for a second and then we lift our eyes up and look up and you

can see that there's a lovely tree house in one of the nearby trees.

It looks all warm and cozy and inviting, and you think I'm going up there.

So you go up to the tree house, have a little rest, settle your nervous system,

get the panic, kind of gone, have a cup of tea, nice chalky bickie, and then.

You know when you're feeling a little bit calmer, you can look out of

the treehouse window and look down.

So you can look back to where you've come from, first of all, which will actually

remind you of how far you have come.

You might feel like you haven't, but you'll see how far you've come.

You can look over there into the distance.

Just remind yourself where you're going to get another sense of, you

know, yes, I do wanna get over there.

Give yourself that motivation again, and then you can look down a little bit

and actually start to map out the route.

And look for the easiest way to get to where you're going so that when

you are ready to climb back down onto the forest floor, you are feeling a

lot more resourced, um, resilient.

You know where you're going.

You've got a bit of a map in your head as to how you're gonna get where you're

going, and then off you go again.

Right?

So I think we can all agree that the most productive thing that happened there was

going up into the tree house, not just carrying on, walking around in circles.

And so for me that even though it might have felt like you weren't doing anything,

'cause you're not actually in motion, you're not, you know, putting one foot

in front of the other, that is still the most productive thing that we could do in

that situation because it's allowing us to take that pause and go right to remind,

remind myself of what's important, why I am trying to get to where I'm going,

where I'm going, how I'm gonna get there.

Um, and that all happens in that pause, not when we are taking action.

For me.

That's what I mean when I say that productivity happens

before you take action.

It's in that pause.

Does that make sense?

Resonate?

Uh, it, it really does.

Yeah.

Um, it's like being able to step back from the day to day and to be able to see

that big picture sort of helicopter view.

Over what you're doing rather than being stuck in the weeds.

I think that there's so many times, um, I've experienced this personally

where I, I, you know, I, I have this idea of, of the direction I'm going

in and then I just get stuck in the day to day and I lose sight of what it

is that I'm actually trying to do and sometimes can end up spending time.

Um.

Working on things that aren't actually moving me forward in the right direction.

And maybe I'm going off on a, you know, to use the kind of forest analogy that

I'm kind of going off down a, down an alternative path or another winding

path somewhere that's not actually taking me in the right direction.

And, um, yeah, unless, unless there is some kind of pause or moment when

you do step out of that and, and climb up into the, uh, the tree house

to be able to see the big picture.

Um.

It's really difficult to get back on track again.

I

It is.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I think for a lot of people, they think that productivity is in the

action that you're taking, but when all you are doing is taking action.

That can actually lead to overwhelm and becoming a bit frazzled.

And you're just, like you said, doing busy work that's not

necessarily actually helpful.

And you know, you start getting easily distracted.

You're picking things up and putting them down again.

But you are so fixed in this mindset that I've got a lot to do.

I just need to keep going.

I need to keep my head down and keep going.

It's just so counterproductive.

I describe, you know, you can get in when you're staying in that kind of action

space, you can end up in this sort of frantic and frazzled overwhelm loop.

And the only way you can stop that is to take that step out

of it and to take that pause.

And I'll just share here as well.

I think 'cause it's relevant, I've, I talk about this kind of progress cycle

and if you can stay in this progress cycle, you will be productive and

you will get to where you want to go.

And that all starts with the pause.

So the first thing to do is to pause, then you reflect.

So that's what we were doing when we were looking back to see how far we've

come, looking to where we're going.

Thinking about, you know, am I spending my time on the right things?

Um, have I spent my time, well this week, this month, whatever that is, we

take the pause, then we reflect from that place, we can then make a choice.

So that's when you choose what you're gonna do differently or

what you're going to do next, or what you're not going to do next.

Just making an intentional choice while you are feeling calm and connected

to where it is that you wanna go.

And then once you've made that choice, that's when you start taking action.

And when you work like that, it kind of becomes inevitable that the next

part of the cycle after action is to complete, to finish what you've started,

rather than bouncing around all over the place, trying to do 15 things at once.

And if you can find a way, um, you know, some people take a visual and put it on

on the wall, so they're looking at it.

If you can find a way to stay in this kind of pause, reflect, choose,

act, complete, and then start again.

It can be a really great way just to keep you focused and

moving in the right direction.

I love that.

I love that.

That's, that, that's a really interesting way to think about it.

So, um, Louise, I've, I've, we've talked a little bit about here, about,

um, space, Often people talk about systems a lot though when it comes to

productivity, but why, why space do you think more powerful than systems?

That's something that you've talked about before.

Um, what do you mean by that?

Yeah.

So what I see happen with a lot of people that are feeling that, like they're

not getting as much done as they want.

They're not as productive as they want to be.

The solution they start looking for is some kind of system.

So they start thinking, oh, I just need to.

Start a new Asana board or let me go and buy that gorgeous planner

that's gonna cost me 50 quid.

But isn't it pretty?

And you know, downloading apps and all of that kind of stuff that

will help you manage your to-dos.

People kind of look to those systems 'cause they think

that's what the problem is.

The trouble is when that's what you are reaching for.

If you are in chaos in your mind, all you're going to be doing is

transferring that chaos into your system, which isn't gonna help you.

Uh, in terms of being more productive, you know, if you've got someone in

your team, you're gonna be delegating, perhaps delegating or inputting

chaos into your team as well.

So yes, those systems can be helpful, but they shouldn't be the starting point.

The starting point should be the, the space, the pause that we just

talked about, so that you can figure out what is most important to you.

Remind yourself of your goals.

You know, figure out what are the actions I need to take to get me there?

What can I let go of?

Um, understand what else is going on in your life that

might be impacting on your work.

Because we are, you know, we're not robots.

If there's something big going on outside of work, it is gonna impact

what you're able to achieve in work.

So you need the space to figure all of that out.

And then from there, by all means, you know, find a system that works for you.

But what I see happen over and over again is that people are just bouncing

around from system to system to system thinking that that's the problem.

When it isn't.

The problem is that they're not giving themselves space.

I've had quite a bit of experience with that.

Louise, um.

You know, trying all sorts of different.

Productivity systems and, and methods and, you know, been on loads of like

webinars and, and you know, watched loads of content online about, oh, you

need to be doing time boxing, or, you know, you need to be doing this, or you

need to be using this fancy software.

And as you say, like subscribing to all sorts, you know, some free

tools, some paid that are promising.

Oh, this tool's gonna save you like a day, a week.

'cause it's just amazing.

And it's like the most amazing productivity task management, project

management magic tool in the world.

And, um, none of that really worked.

None of it really worked for me.

I, I tried all sorts of different things, um, and really struggled to

find, you know, tools that did help.

Um, and the fact being that.

What you described about that being just like sort of chaos, um, in my mind was

probably that, that huge contributing factor that, that those things just

weren't, weren't really working for me.

Um, yeah, so I did try an awful lot of different systems over the

years and, um, struggled to find something that worked for me.

Um, and it's, I think as well that it can then make you feel

pretty rubbish because you, you then feel a little bit like, well.

Well, I was promised that this system was gonna work and it hasn't worked, so does

that mean there's something wrong with me?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you're not alone in feeling that ev You know, I work with so many people

who have been through that experience.

I've been through that experience.

Um, I bought David Allen's getting things done, booked back in about

2006, thinking that was gonna solve all my problems when I was completely

overwhelmed in an office management role.

And I spent a whole weekend in my office setting that system up and it didn't work.

And I was exactly as you described, feeling like, oh, that must be me then.

There's clearly something wrong with me and it kind of breaks my heart and

you know, and it's kind of unfortunate, really, this is why I'm really

passionate about sharing this stuff.

Because what often happens is by the time people come and find me,

they've already gone through that cycle and they're kind of already

feeling rubbish about themselves.

And I find myself in a position of having, and it's, you know, I'm happy to do it.

But trying to reassure people when they say, well, I've tried everything else.

Why is working with you gonna be any different?

Because they're feeling that sense of.

I'm broken and I'm then having to explain, which is fine.

You know, that's what I'm here for.

Explain why the way that I work is so different and how it does help.

And I find once people are brave enough, 'cause I think it is an act

of bravery when you've been burnt like that, to step into a different space

and pay money to come and work with me.

And then they find that it works.

It does so much more than just help them get stuff done.

It rebuilds their self-confidence.

And their self-esteem around all of this.

So it does run deep.

You know, productivity kind of sounds like this very practical, pragmatic thing,

but actually it's got a huge emotional weight to it for a lot of people.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

I think that because often, you know, I mean everyone's, so

let's use that busy word again.

Everyone's so busy these days and.

I think there's a tendency to put an awful lot of things on the to-do list,

and I've, again, classic, this is a thing that I've done loads where I'm like

overestimating how much I get done in a day, so I have a big to-do list, and

then I don't complete everything on it.

Inevitably, it doesn't get completed because no sooner

am I ticking one thing off it.

There's other things that are getting added to it, and then you get to

the end of the day and think, well.

Oh, I've not, I've not done very well today 'cause, well, I've not finished

half my to-do list, so I'm, I'm not very good am I, you know, I'm not, I'm

not very good at what I do because I've not managed to get all this stuff done.

I should have been able to get more done because all these productivity

gurus online and telling me that I should be able to get tons of stuff done

in a day and I haven't been able to.

So it's quite a, a vicious kind of circle to get trapped in.

it is, and it makes me really angry when I see people saying,

well, you just need to do it like this.

Like you mentioned, time blocking and putting all of that out there as if

that is the solution that's gonna work for everyone and it, it really isn't.

And I think if it's all right with you, John, I've got six pillars that.

Underpin everything that I do.

And if I quickly, if it's all right, just rattle through what they are.

And hopefully that will help people understand that it, there are, it

is quite simple actually what you need in order to get things done.

Um, and it's not about the system.

It's not about the tool, but so we've already talked about space.

That's the first pillar.

So I don't need to say anymore about that, but it's space away

from the noise and the distractions.

The second thing that we need to have in place when we're doing our planning

and our to-do list, or whatever it is we're doing, is alignment.

So.

Taking that moment to just make sure that the things you're writing on your list are

actually taking you in the right direction and the direction that excites you.

So there's alignment, then there's the life friendly kind of pillar, which is

about not just thinking, this is what I need to do for my business, but thinking

what else is going on in my life.

You know, I'm, I worked with someone once who was moving house.

And hadn't, it hadn't occurred to her, that might mean she had less capacity for

what she was trying to do in her business.

She was moving across the country.

So thinking about things like that and the smaller things as well.

You know, if you've got kids and one of your kids is off school sick or

something, you know, bearing all of that in mind and not expecting, you'll still

be able to get a normal full day's work done if you've got a poorly child on

the sofa that needs your love and care.

Um, which kind of leads us onto the fourth pillar, which is about your plan

or your to-do list being achievable.

Um, so it's not just a brain dump that then you're calling a plan.

It's you looking at what you've got capacity for.

And also, actually, as an aside for this one, understanding, you're not gonna

get that right all of the time and if you don't get it right, 'cause we all

underestimate how long things take.

I still do, but all that is, is underestimation of

how long something took.

It doesn't mean you're a bad person or that you failed in any way,

but the more we can notice that.

The better we can become at predicting it.

So just a little side note.

Um, and then rhythm is the fifth pillar, which is around, we don't just

take that pause once and then think we're set for the rest of the year.

How can you build that pause, reflect and choose into your month,

into your week, even into your day.

So you know, when you and I finish this conversation, we

could both pause for a second.

Reflect on what the rest of the day holds, and then choose what we're gonna do next.

You can do it in a really micro way, but making that a rhythm.

And then the, the final pillar is, the way that I work is

very rooted in neuroscience.

I'm also an NLP practitioner, so there's this whole thing around making sure we're

getting our subconscious mind on board.

Um.

Believing that it's possible for us to have success rather than

talking to ourselves in a way that we just keep reminding ourselves,

well, I didn't get everything done.

I'm a terrible person.

Let's shift that.

Um, and then we'll start to prove that new story true.

So those are the six things that I think are key as far as being

more productive is concerned.

Um, and however you can, you know, think about and implement them into

how you're moving through your days, your weeks and months, I think.

Yeah.

You'll be onto a winner if you even just a couple of them if you're

not doing any of that right now.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

And they, um, the, the life pillar, I totally resonated with me that

because you know, when, when you have things, other things going on in

your life, then you can't, you can't expect to show up in the same way.

you're not gonna be able to be.

As productive.

Um, if you've got this things going on, like you say, if you've got like a child

off school that's ill you're not gonna be able to show up in the same way.

And I guess it's.

It's part and parcel of being a business owner that sometimes you've got all

the things going on at the same time and you know, with all good intention,

you might not be able to work as many hours that week or, or the hours that

you do work, you might have other things on your mind at the same time.

So, um, I think recognizing that and being okay with it, that,

we're not able to, you know, just turn up and, and work like

a robot every day of the week.

yeah, absolutely.

And for many of us who started our business, we started it because

we wanted that flexibility.

So why are we not letting ourselves have it without feeling bad about it?

yeah, that's so true, because that's most people that do

set up their own business, they're not, they're not doing it because

they're wanting to do more work.

You know, they're, they're doing it usually because they are wanting more,

more freedom and more flexibility in their life and more fulfillment

from the work that they're doing.

And that's, that's the, the thing, isn't it?

That, you know, you want to be able to, well, okay.

I'd, I can just.

Work less hours today and be with the kids, or, you know, I can take

some time off to go to the, the sports day or that event or whatever.

Um, because I'm in charge, it's my business and I can choose to do that.

Yeah.

But as I say, sometimes you can kind of, um, I think sometimes we can lose

sight of that if we get stuck in that the busy work or that, um, the client

work, like delivering the client work.

And then forgetting about like why we started doing it in the first place.

Yeah, so I think that's where, if you're gonna do anything with

those pillars that I just shared, I think the space, which is what, you know, the

time in the tree house and the rhythm, so that you're doing that regularly,

because the more often you do that.

The more of a sense of perspective you'll have and the more that you'll know,

this actually isn't that important.

Yes, it needs to be done, but going to sports day with my kid,

you know, is more important.

And you'll have that sense of perspective and you'll be able to make those

intentional choices rather than feeling like stuff's just happening to you,

which is, doesn't feel very nice when you feel completely out of control.

So what, what do you think for most people then the,

the real reasons are why, why they're not getting stuff done.

Yeah, I think there are three main things that prevent people

from getting stuff done first is that they don't have a clear vision and

then they get stuck doing busy work.

Because if you don't know what you want your life, your business to

look and feel like, how can you evaluate whether the work you're

doing today is gonna get you there?

So I think a lot of people don't have that clarity, which then means

they've got nothing to evaluate their to-do list and their plans against.

So I think that can, again, like you said, they can feel like they're

busy, but they're not necessarily busy doing the right thing.

So yeah, not focusing on the right thing because they haven't got

this clear vision, I think is a big problem for a lot of people.

The next thing we've all, we've already kind of touched on this a

little bit, is that people don't set themselves up for success.

Because they're not considering their capacity when they're making their plans.

So, you know, as I flippantly just said a minute ago, writing a, doing a brain

dump and then calling that a plan when all you've done is empty your head and

then stuck some arbitrary, well, I can do all of that today kind of thing on it.

So you're setting yourself up to fail when you're doing that.

So, yeah, this is it.

It's not about the fact that you are, you know, you're not lazy,

you're not incapable of focusing, you are just trying to do too much

and not considering your capacity.

So.

Yeah.

If we can do that, set yourself up for success by considering your capacity.

I think that makes a big difference for people and it makes you feel better.

'cause you can ride that momentum of going, you know, I tried to do

fewer things today on purpose, and look at me, I've got 'em all done.

Doesn't that feel better than overloading your to-do list and then not

getting any of it done because you're bouncing around all over the place.

So yeah, setting yourself up for success.

And the last one, um, again, we touched on it earlier, is that people

are not giving themselves enough time to work on their business.

They're constantly in the doing kind of zone in that action kind of space

because they feel like well so much to do.

They've got goals they wanna meet, they're not where they wanna be.

And are we ever really where we want to be?

I think all of us, we reach a certain level of success.

And then there's another one.

So if you're waiting until you get over there somewhere, I, you'll be,

anyway, that's a little tangent.

You'll be waiting a very long time.

But yes, working on your business, um.

Give yourself that time to think, make some really good choices about

what to focus on and what can wait.

So yeah, I think again, people just go wrong by thinking they've gotta

keep their heads down and our culture kind of reinforces that as well.

So again, if you're hearing that and feeling like that sounds like you don't

feel bad about it, it's not your fault.

Um, it's just coming around to this different way of thinking that actually

going up in that tree house is the most productive thing you can do quite often.

What, what would be the main thing that you would like everyone

to take away from our conversation?

Yeah, I think if people can remember the idea of the progress cycle.

And if the image of the tree house is helpful, you know,

put those two things together.

Go up into the tree house.

If you can do that at least once a month, if you can do it more often,

I would recommend, um, just to take that pause, reflect on what's going

on, how things have been going, where you wanna get to, and then make some

conscious, intentional choices about where you are going to put your precious,

precious time, energy, and attention.

That will help you to take the right action at the right time so you can

finish what you start, keep going around that lovely cycle and get what

you wanna get done done in a way that feels good and doesn't need to burn out.

I think, um.

On the point with the tree house as well about having that space, um, that can

actually be a separate physical space.

That something that I've found that's worked really well for me is

leaving the home office and going somewhere completely different.

And, uh, my favorite, which I admittedly I haven't done for a

little while, is to have a, like a, I dunno what you wanna call it, a

CEO day or in a away day where I.

Head over to the coast and I go to the seaside for the day and I'll have a

little bit of a walk in the morning.

I find a lovely coffee shop.

I'll have my, my tablet with me, my notebook, and I'll just spend a few

hours, um, give myself space and time to just think about the bigger

picture stuff in that setting and somewhere totally different from home.

And I get so much done on those days.

You know, I, I come away feeling like.

I've been refreshed and a lot clearer about what I need to be working on

and, um, you know, for the price of, you know, fish and chip lunch at the

seaside, that's always part of it as well, and a couple of cups of coffee.

Um, it, it's, it's fantastic, you know, and I, I really get so much done and

it, yeah, that change of environment and if you're not able to do that,

I mean, the other thing that I do on, um, probably at the weekly level

is I go to the local coffee shop.

I take my notebook, I go there for maybe one to two hours, and

I, I think about, you know, what I need to be doing this week.

You know, what I, what should I actually be working on?

I've got all these things.

I know I'm not gonna get them all done.

But the change of scenery for me actually physically going somewhere different is

really important because I, I know that if I stay at home in the home office.

I struggle to make that space to, to do that type of work.

Yeah, a hundred percent.

I love that.

That sounds gorgeous.

Stay out at the seaside.

Yes, please.

Um, you know, and the smaller way you can do it if you just need 10

minutes, is to just get up, walk away from your desk and sit on the sofa, go

into a different room in your house.

If you don't have time to go out and have a lovely coffee, you

know, we can, I think you're right.

Changing the environment makes a massive difference.

And what are some small ways we can do that so it doesn't become.

This kind of aspirational thing that we somehow don't manage

to give ourselves time for.

We can find little small pockets of, you know, ways of doing this as well.

But yeah, I love that.

Can I come to the seaside next time you go?

You can, yeah.

Yeah, we could have A-A-A-C-E-O Day together at the seaside.

That'd be fun.

Um, Luis, was there anything else you wanted to add, um, about

productivity or something related that we haven't already covered?

I think we've covered quite a lot there, but, um, was there anything else that

we overlooked that you need to mention?

I think the only thing, I'll try and keep it quick, and we did

touch on it earlier, but I just think it's really important to reemphasize.

There is nothing wrong with you if you are trying to copy what someone

else is doing, who you see as being productive and it doesn't work for you.

There is nothing wrong with you.

We are all different.

You know, I'm not John.

John's not me.

What works for me isn't necessarily gonna work for you, John.

So the best piece of advice I can give you is to just.

Get curious about what does work for you.

Build your own self-awareness experiment to find what works rather than looking

out there for people to tell you what is gonna help make you more productive.

You know, get curious and figure that out.

I know it can be difficult.

Um, come listen to my podcast if you want more on that.

Um, but yeah, I think you are not broken.

There is nothing wrong with you and you just haven't found what works for you yet.

And if you get curious, stop paying attention and experimenting.

You will figure that out.

Thank you so much for coming on the show, sharing your expertise.

Um, where's the best place online for people to connect with you?

Yeah, I come and connect with me on LinkedIn.

I love LinkedIn.

I'm quite active over there, so come find me.

Come say hello over there.

That would be great.

That's great.

And could you remind us about your quiz?

Could you tell us a little bit about that?

Absolutely.

Yes.

Thanks John.

Yeah.

So I have created a free assessment which will help you to identify, um,

where you need to put your energy when it comes to getting more things done.

So it talks about focusing on the right things, setting yourself up for

success, and working on your business, which John and I talked about earlier.

Um, it will help you figure out which of those areas is the weakest for you.

And then I've curated some very thoughtful.

Practical resources that will help you to make improvements in

whichever area, um, needs some work.

So yeah, it's at louise miller.uk/quiz if you'd like to go and take that.