[00:00:00] Nathan Maingard: What would it mean in your life to realize that everything you've been taught about health and wellbeing is wrong? What if the so-called truths that have been ingrained in us, from the way our bodies function to how diseases spread are nothing more than misleading lies and misconceptions?

[00:00:23] I'm your host Nathan Maingard and welcome back to We Are Already Free, the podcast where misfits from the mainstream stop worrying how bad it all is out there, and instead get inspired and informed so they can focus on being the change and finding their tribe and living a beautiful life together.

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[00:01:05] Nathan Maingard: If you're like so many of us, you've spent the last few years realizing that mainstream beliefs around health, wellness and healing often lead or have led us to a society that as a whole is sicker than it's ever been, and that can be a terrifying realization.

[00:01:23] How do we keep our loved ones, our children, our communities healthy when there's so much conflicting information out there? You want to protect those you care about, but how do you make sense of all this contradictory advice? What if the very foundations of what we've been taught about health is just built on shaky ground?

[00:01:42] Thankfully, you're in the right place because today we are diving deep into these questions with Dr. Tom Cowan, a maverick in the field of alternative medicine. With over 40 years of experience, Dr. Cowan has authored several groundbreaking books, including The Contagion myth, and Cancer and the New Biology of Water.

[00:02:02] His work challenges some of the most fundamental principles of modern medicine. From germ theory to the role of DNA, and introduces us to what he calls the new biology, a revolutionary approach that could transform our understanding of disease, immunity, and the very fabric of life itself. So just to let you know, a lot of the information that I received in this episode was really new and challenging to me. And Tom challenged me. He pushed me, he asked me questions, he made me think. And we just did not have time to dive deep into everything that he brought up. So I hope you treat this as the incredible invitation that it is to, to look into it yourself, to ask these questions, to read his books, and to reclaim your sovereign power to live a vibrant, healthy, thriving life.

[00:02:51] Listen to this episode to learn why everything you think you know about viruses might be completely wrong, and how this changes everything about immunity and health. how modern medicines focus on genes and cells misses the mark and the real factors that might be influencing our health.

[00:03:09] The four reasons why people get sick, and what you can do about it to protect yourself and your loved ones. Near the end, you'll hear an unexpected message about nuclear energy, which kind of blew my mind, and I still need to take some time to absorb that and look more into it. So do stay tuned because this episode could be the eyeopener that you didn't know you needed.

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[00:04:24] Now, please enjoy this rewarding and challenging episode with Dr. Tom Cowan.

[00:04:30] During the lockdowns, I was really struggling here in South Africa with watching things unfold and, and I kept thinking. Everyone's just gonna go, this is ridiculous. Like, really soon everyone's just gonna go, come on, this is, this can't be happening.

[00:04:45] Like, this is a silly thing that we're all doing. Let's all just get back to like natural immunity and take care of ourselves a little. And it just kept getting worse and worse and worse, as you know. And so I, at first what I tried to do was to share things online that I thought were were valuable. Like, here's an article about natural immunity.

[00:05:04] Here's this. About, you know, like these things make sense. And what happened was just huge polarization, right? Like people just got so angry and so upset. And so I went quiet for a while, but I'm a lifelong lyricist and musician and writer and, and I just felt this like something wanted to come through. So I started writing these spoken word poems for the first time in my life.

[00:05:24] And like I think about the third poem that came through was the poem that I wanna share with you now just to kind of open this conversation and, and, and just see where it takes us. So, so I'll share it with you. And again, remembering this is from the context of this was in the midst of the lockdowns and everyone was like on board, or at least a lot of the society was on board with what was happening.

[00:05:43] And, and this poem came through. If you believe that you can vaccinate yourself to health or consume your way to wealth. If you think nature's a fool 'cause you're not a part of the pool of life in all its branches, then I sincerely wish you blessings, and I think you're taking chances. Though I would never dictate how you choose to feel great. I'd only ask the same weight for my perceptions and the actions I choose to take.

[00:06:12] Imagine if I told you that, for the good of all, you could no longer eat a take out, drink Coca-Cola, or consume fear. Sorry, I mean media. Globally owned by five corporations. But maybe we'll save that for a future explanation. Imagine if I said that the science was in. Living a life of joy, natural food and movement was the solution, and that you'd no longer be allowed to spend your days inside your house, on your couch, wrapped in fear, but you'd have to come outside, sit around the fire, make love, music, laughter and tears. Give your time to serve Earth and your relations for all your years.

[00:06:51] How would you feel if I dictated your state from my external place? It wouldn't work, would it? 'cause it's your body, your choice. Now, the same folk who say it's okay to poison the well, have you heard of glyphosate? Look it up. It's living hell.

[00:07:07] Those same people are saying they only care for getting back to normal and your health. When they sit on the boards of the corporations selling medications, which increase their wealth. Hidden in their words, is a grain of truth: this society seeks to homogenize you. To normalize the way life comes through until you are nothing more than a resource.

[00:07:29] Consumable, disposable. Broken like a wild horse. Saddled, bridled with no conceivable recourse. Drained de-brained, your energy a devoured force. Until it's too late and you say, I wish I'd bucked sooner, for my children of the next course.

[00:07:45] So here's an invitation from the Heart of Love in action. Take a breath and let it go. Feel your gut reaction.

[00:07:56] Step outside with bare feet. Begin recalibration. Be a rebel, share a hug. Remember you're in heaven.

[00:08:03] And if all that is not enough, then please stop blaming those of us. The millions hidden under all that noise and fluff. We who electrify our lives with truth beyond the lies. Healthy people are not responsible for dis-ease. That's not how nature works. So let us go. We are already free.

[00:08:27] Dr Tom Cowan: That's good. The only thing I would say, which wasn't in your poem, but I was before. There's no such thing as natural immunity.

[00:08:38] Nathan Maingard: Well, let's start there then, because I, one of the

[00:08:40] Dr Tom Cowan: I would give that up.

[00:08:45] Nathan Maingard: so let's start there because, because you have this. What, what is considered an incredibly out there perspective based on mainstream structures around how viruses work and health works, and what makes us sick and what keeps us well. So what do you mean when you say that natural immunity ain't a thing?

[00:09:03] Dr Tom Cowan: the most important thing to realize is. Science. So-called science took a dramatic turn in, it's hard to say when, but let's just say mid 18 hundreds. And the turn was, and this was actually, um, spelled out by a guy named Albert Einstein, which you, who you probably heard of. Uh, and. He said science should no longer be based on observations and experimentation, but should be based on free inventions of the mind. So I would say, in other words, making shit up.

[00:09:48] Nathan Maingard: Right.

[00:09:49] Dr Tom Cowan: no longer do we say, oh, well that's a pencil here, and so I'm gonna study the pencil and see what it's made of. We just make up that this must be a flyswatter or something. Uh, now the pro, the problem then is when you do that, and I would actually submit that everything that any, uh, person makes up will eventually be falsified just because none of us are know everything. And we can't possibly know the whole truth, so we make stuff up and then somebody comes along and shows it's not real.

[00:10:29] Nathan Maingard: Hmm.

[00:10:29] Dr Tom Cowan: At that point, then, uh, the science has one of two options. They can either say, yeah, that thing was wrong, so they get rid of it. Or you can keep the story going by making up a new. Bit of nonsense, and then you keep the story going and then you keep doing that.

[00:10:53] Nathan Maingard: Right.

[00:10:54] Dr Tom Cowan: how does that relate to your comment about natural immunity? So in the beginning, let's say now we're talking 1900, they said there was these unseen things, uh, called viruses that make people sick. It's sort of like flying unicorns. They're invisible flying unicorns. Nobody saw them. Nobody actually had any sense that they were anything there.

[00:11:22] They just said one person makes another person sick, and so they called them viruses and they said that when you get around somebody who's sick, then you get sick because you catch their virus. Now everybody knows that's not true because sometimes you go around somebody who's sick and you do get sick and sometimes you don't get sick.

[00:11:47] So they that that statement was falsified, right? The statement, if you are around somebody who's sick and you catch their virus, you get sick. So they falsified that and actually proved that there's no such thing as contagion over and over again. They did it with proper scientific studies.

[00:12:11] So now you're a scientist and you have your, your basis has been falsified, right? So you have one of two choices. You can say, yeah, there's no such thing as viruses and contagion doesn't work, so let's throw out the whole thing. Or you can say, well, the reason why some people don't get sick is because they have immunity. Or natural immunity to the virus, right? So the virus would've made you sick, but because you have immunity to the imaginary virus, now you don't get sick. So now the reason why you don't get sick is natural immunity to an imaginary virus, which is weird because. It's like being, uh, it's like 'unicorn repellent is the reason why houses aren't blown up.'

[00:13:02] So then they, then eventually they studied that and they said, well, what is this natural immunity based on? Right? So they said they found out it was antibodies. A guy came up with that theory based on nothing. But anyways, he said the reason you get measles virus and then you make antibodies and then you get, never get measles again because you have natural immunity.

[00:13:30] Right? You've heard that. And

[00:13:31] Nathan Maingard: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:13:33] Dr Tom Cowan: then you get the flu virus and you never get the flu again because you have antibodies. Well, except you get the flu next year, but that's because the flu evaded the antibodies. Right, and then you get mumps and then you don't get sick. 'cause the antibodies work for the mumps virus.

[00:13:52] And then you get chickenpox, and then you get antibodies to chickenpox and you never get chickenpox. Except then you get shingles, which is sort of like chickenpox, but that's because you're natural immunity wore off. And then in 1984 they said, oh, well now you have antibodies to HIV. Right now they used, they, so in 1983 they said antibodies mean you have natural immunity for life.

[00:14:23] In 1984, they said If you have antibodies to HIV, that means the HIV's gonna kill you. And I, I remember hearing. That's when I graduated from medical school and I said to myself, wait a minute, United just spent four years learning that if I have antibodies, that means I'm immune for life. I have natural immunity.

[00:14:49] And this idiot just told me that if I have antibodies, that means I'm gonna die. Like who changed the rules? Now there was no explanation for that, right? Except the virus is wily. So you got this wily imaginary virus. And it knows how to evade the antibodies. I thought, which part of the virus is the Wiley part?

[00:15:16] Like that, that which of the protein is, say I, I'm going to evade this guy's antibodies. The whole thing is nonsense. There's no, there's no viruses, so there's nothing to be immune to. Just like the reason why you, you know, the buildings in the Ukraine are blowing up is because of exploding, invisible unicorns. And I can prove that to you because I spread unicorn repellent around my house here, and not a single unicorn explosion has happened.

[00:15:49] That's why my house is still here.

[00:15:52] Nathan Maingard: Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Like you, if you create the problem and then create solutions to the problem that you created, then none of it's real from the beginning. So it

[00:16:01] Dr Tom Cowan: not real from the very beginning.

[00:16:04] Nathan Maingard: okay, well, let.

[00:16:05] Dr Tom Cowan: then there can't be immunity.

[00:16:08] Nathan Maingard: Okay, so, so help, help me to understand, 'cause this is still like, I, I mean, obviously as I, as I had in my poem, I talk about natural immunity. So in my mind, I still have always thought, or not always, but for most of my life, that if I take care of myself, if I move my body and I eat good food, I drink good water, I get good rest, you know, I have good people around me, all those like things, then I will generally be well and won't pick up these things that are going around. So that's like my mentality with it.

[00:16:36] And even that is quite out there based on the mainstream, the mainstream's like, no, no, no. You're like, you have to take all this stuff. That's all these injections and all these things that are gonna keep you safe. But you're saying that whole thing is based on a floor.

[00:16:48] So then. Help me to understand as someone who, who is like not a, a doctor, a medical person, how is it that there are these, what seem to be seasonal sicknesses or these, or there are times when I go around someone and they are unwell and I clearly like, the minute I leave there, I'm like, oh, I'm starting to feel something.

[00:17:06] And it feels like I have the same thing that they just had. So like, what, what's going on there? What's actually this, this experience of feeling sick, so called.

[00:17:15] Dr Tom Cowan: So number one, I didn't say that like taking care of yourself and dancing and having fun and wear going barefoot doesn't help you feel better and maybe not get sick. Right?

[00:17:27] Nathan Maingard: Right. That's true.

[00:17:28] Dr Tom Cowan: that. I just said you don't catch anything and there's no such thing as a virus there. At least the proper way to say it is nobody has been able to demonstrate the existence of what they call a virus. Now getting into, so when you're talking about contagion, let's just unpack that a little bit. What you're saying is, 'sick people make well people sick'.

[00:17:54] Nathan Maingard: Right. Yeah.

[00:17:56] Dr Tom Cowan: Or animals. So let's just ask a question. If two or more people in the same time in the same place who are in the same symptoms. Does that mean that one gave the sickness to the up next person? Is that true?

[00:18:15] Nathan Maingard: Not necessarily.

[00:18:17] Dr Tom Cowan: Why not?

[00:18:19] Nathan Maingard: Well, I it's because isn't it like causation and it's just because something happens doesn't mean like if, well, there's no reason to think so what, like how would we prove it?

[00:18:29] Dr Tom Cowan: Yeah. So if you put, if you take a hundred rats and you put 'em in a basement. And then you put rat poison there, and then the next day, 10 rats are dead, all bleed to death, same symptoms, same time, same place. Clearly it's not because of a contagion,

[00:18:46] Nathan Maingard: Right. No, exactly. They've all eaten the poison or the, the ones that have died have eaten the poison. Oh, so then we are talking terrain. Right? So then it's actually the,

[00:18:53] Dr Tom Cowan: so, so you're what? You're s but let's just be really clear. So in other words, if you say the observation that you're talking about is: two or more people, me and this other person got sick in the same time, the same place, same symptoms, but I already know that that doesn't prove that they gave me anything.

[00:19:16] Nathan Maingard: Yeah.

[00:19:16] Dr Tom Cowan: Right. And when you come to a situation where your observation doesn't prove the cause. Then you have to do science. In other words, you have to take 10 people who are sick, same symptoms, put 'em in a room with 10 people, and then same people, same or same room, 10 other people, et cetera. You have to control all the variables except the sick people, right? 'cause you can't tell by just looking what happened. It could be. You know, environmental or the stars or some sort of resonance or some sort of placebo or no sibo, you don't know. So you do science. Now, they did that for 50 years. There's at least, there's 200 studies in the medical literature where they attempted to have sick people make well people sick.

[00:20:13] Every one of them failed.

[00:20:15] Nathan Maingard: Wow.

[00:20:16] Dr Tom Cowan: Every one of them failed. In other words, that theory, which you just said, that I got the sickness from somebody else, that's a hypothesis that has been disproven, and I can guarantee any listener out there. If you think I'm wrong because uncle Fred went to Aunt Bessie's house and she got sick and then he got sick in the same way.

[00:20:39] And that proves it's contagious. You're gonna have to send me a study that shows that that's how it works and otherwise I don't believe it. And I can guarantee, 'cause we've looked for four years, around 20 of us, looking through the scientific literature. There's not one study.

[00:20:58] Nathan Maingard: Geez. I mean, we could stop this episode right here and people would be walking away with an incredible amount of value. I mean, that is just like such a massive. a flip on the entire foundation of health and wellness that is considered normal in, in modern society. I mean, that is un so, so do you, are there experiments that have been trying to work out what is going on and, and what have they shown?

[00:21:21] If so, like what is it that's actually happening then?

[00:21:25] Dr Tom Cowan: I mean, the. It's different things in different places, right? There's the rat poison one. There's the famous, you know, Lester, you know, water pump that supposedly spread cholera. You see this is not a difficult, if, if it wasn't for Einstein who said, don't bother actually trying to find out what happened.

[00:21:48] It would be very easy to find out whether that well pump. Was the source of cholera bacteria and the cholera bacteria made people sick.

[00:22:00] Nathan Maingard: Mm.

[00:22:01] Dr Tom Cowan: Let's just go through that. If you wanna know whether this pencil writes on this piece of paper and I said, Nathan, I got this pencil and I got a bunch of pens here, and I'm gonna write on the piece of paper, and that proves that the pencil writes on a piece of paper.

[00:22:21] Nathan Maingard: Yeah.

[00:22:22] Dr Tom Cowan: would say, I hope this guy's an idiot, because first you have to separate the pencil and then write, because otherwise, how are you gonna know if it's the pen or the magic marker or whatever, right?

[00:22:35] Nathan Maingard: Yeah.

[00:22:35] Dr Tom Cowan: only if I tell you, I got this hammer and it knocks in the nail. Right? I can prove it. So I take my toolbox and I don't even know if there's a hammer in there, and I hit the nail with the toolbox.

[00:22:47] And I say that proved that hammers knock in the nail. You would say, guy, fucking idiot. Right? Because we don't think like that.

[00:22:58] Nathan Maingard: Yeah.

[00:22:58] Dr Tom Cowan: So, okay, bacteria actually exist unlike viruses. So you can take the, the cholera bacteria, it's called vibrio something or other. You can isolate it, right?

[00:23:11] So all you have is the bacteria. You can feed it to people and see if they get sick.

[00:23:19] Nathan Maingard: Hmm.

[00:23:19] Dr Tom Cowan: And there's not one study in the medical literature that shows that that's true. Now, if you look in the, in the, in the point in the well that were was making people sick, there's also arsenic in there. Now you can take arsenic and separate and give that to people and they get sick.

[00:23:42] Now you can. You can, if you're really like dumb, think, well, it must be the bacteria 'cause they're in there. Instead of the, even though you've now proven that if you isolate the bacteria, you, it doesn't make anybody sick over and over again. The viruses, they can't even isolate a virus. They say that. never had an example of a pure virus, so you can't even do an experiment with it, right? Because you don't have it. They, they, all they do is they give people snot and they inject it in their brain, and then they say the virus, allegedly in the snot, made the person have polio. That's how they proved polio was a viral disease.

[00:24:29] They took the ground up, uh, spinal cord of a child who died, ground it up, injected into a monkey's brain. The monkey died and they said, see, we transmitted polio from the child to the monkey. They didn't say, well, I wonder if we just grind up the spine and inject that into the monkey brain. Maybe the, maybe monkeys don't like having stuff like dead spine, you know, shot into their brain.

[00:24:59] Nathan Maingard: That's insanity.

[00:25:00] Dr Tom Cowan: monkey, I would've run away. I.

[00:25:02] Nathan Maingard: Yeah. Okay, so, so let's then go, 'cause I wanna do one more little exploration of this and then move into some of the more like the kind of solutions, more the stuff that actually is about how do we, how do humans be healthy in the world as it is today. And but before then, I'm curious 'cause we've obviously just been through this insane experience of this mass, whatever you want to call it.

[00:25:24] I call it a mass delusion. Where, people all over the world got on board with this idea that there was this new thing, this new virus around, the coronavirus. And it's gonna, it's, it's so much more deadly than anything else. And if you don't get vaccinated immediately, you're in big trouble. And uh, and obviously so many of us, and definitely those who are listening to this are the kind of people who are like, we didn't tow the line on that.

[00:25:46] And all us and all our friends are fine. Um, so what, what happened there that so many people, 'cause I still talk to people where they're like, no, no, no, but like all my, these, my, all these people I know died. And we all got so sick and I get sick and it's, the Corona's different I, when I get sick with it, I have a whole different set of symptoms. And I haven't experienced any of what people are talking about there.

[00:26:08] I'm like the same thing that when I get unwell happens to me. Nothing. Like, I haven't noticed a difference anyway. So I'm curious from your perspective, what happened in this global experience that, that the lockdowns or this the pandemic or whatever people have called it?

[00:26:23] Dr Tom Cowan: There was no pandemic. the statistics are absolutely clear. There was no, there was no elevated death rate. There was no elevated sickness rate until the vaccines, so-called vaccines. And then it was a dramatic increase. I. So, you know, there's, there's three reasons why people, well, four reasons why people get sick. Number one, they have an injury, like they fall off a horse and break their leg, right? So that happens. Everybody's seen it. Number two, you're starving. Now, that could be good food, good water, love, friendship, community, whatever. Right, so you don't have what, what a, a healthy, normal human being needs, and so you get sick.

[00:27:10] Number three, which is in some ways one of the biggest, if not the biggest, is you're poisoned. And so there was some new poisons. They rolled out some new electromagnetic fields, but the biggest new poison, which is probably the most potent disease causing agent is fear. Because if you can make somebody afraid, they'll usually get sick.

[00:27:34] So that, that was a deliberate campaign. Uh, so they poison you with injections and with stuff so you can't breathe, you know, and chemicals in the mask and all the rest. And then they scared the crap outta you. And then people get sick. And the fourth is delusions. And that's the one that makes a lot of people sick.

[00:27:57] They think things that aren't true. And when you think things that aren't true, you do stuff that's stupid. And when you do stuff that's stupid, bad things happen to you. Like for instance, I had a, a colleague who is Anthroposophical doctor. And, like most of them, he believed in viruses. So he spent his career giving people with aids, HIV meds, right? Because he believed that HIV caused aids, even though most doctors, and, and here's another homework assignment for all your listeners. Go to your doctor and ask them following question, how does a virologist prove the existence of a virus and show it causes disease? That's like going to a mechanic and saying. What causes my car to stop? And how do you know it's there?

[00:28:56] Nathan Maingard: Hmm.

[00:28:57] Dr Tom Cowan: if your mechanic doesn't know the answer is brakes and, 'cause I can see the, the thing. Don't go to that mechanic 'cause he doesn't know what he's doing.

[00:29:08] Nathan Maingard: Right.

[00:29:09] Dr Tom Cowan: That's equivalent. But your doctor will not know how they know whether there's a virus or not. A hundred percent. You have no clue.

[00:29:19] Nathan Maingard: Wow.

[00:29:20] Dr Tom Cowan: heard it in school and he'll have some answers that are nonsense, but he doesn't actually know how they do that. So he believes in viruses. So of course there's this coronavirus. So he goes out and gets three shots. Two days or three days after the third one, he's dead at home because he had a stroke even though he was otherwise healthy guy.

[00:29:45] So what killed him? You could say that, you know, the shots make you have clots. That's true. But what killed him is the thought that there's viruses that are gonna kill me.

[00:29:57] Nathan Maingard: Mm.

[00:29:58] Dr Tom Cowan: That's what killed him. So naturally he took action to protect himself, like getting this, this injection to prevent the imaginary virus from killing him.

[00:30:10] And that did him in. So if you want to believe in, in delusions and nonsense, you'll eventually do things that are against your best interest.

[00:30:22] Nathan Maingard: Hmm.

[00:30:23] Dr Tom Cowan: If you wanna believe that like eating good food is good for your health, that's a good thing and it will probably work. Being outside and being with friends and singing and writing poetry and all the rest of it.

[00:30:39] Those things make people have better lives and otherwise you're just in delusions.

[00:30:46] Nathan Maingard: It's so interesting you said about number three around fear, because that was one of the ones that I. I actually noticed a moment when the lockdowns had just started. It was a couple months in. Um, my, my partner, my now wife and I were, were living back on a family farm and blessed enough to have that space that we could just. With our dogs and everything.

[00:31:06] And, and I got sick for the first time since it all had started and I remember so clearly 'cause my, whenever I've got sick in my life, we practice something nature cure. So I'll do a cleanse and just do a bit of, drink some water. Eat some fruit, relax, rest, and, and be well. Um, but as this thing came on and I started feeling feverish, I, I, I can remember it so clearly where I was like, oh my gosh, is this it?

[00:31:31] And my mind? I could actually see myself because of all, even though I didn't watch the news and I don't buy into all that stuff, I, there was so much of it coming in. Like, that fear-mongering, that there was a moment where I actually had the choice and I felt like. I could feel myself starting to get afraid and then I went, hang on.

[00:31:48] No, no, no. This feels exactly like every other time I got sick. I'm just gonna rest. And I was fine like the next day or the day after, and it was all good. But I really saw that, that that fear I started to feel had an impact. So yeah. I appreciate you saying that, that really, that resonates.

[00:32:03] Dr Tom Cowan: the other thing people have to realize is that not only are there no viruses, but. The biggest Psyop of all in medicine. There's a lot of them, but, and there's a lot in other sciences too, which we can get into a little bit. But, uh, is these things called diseases are like things that strike your body, whereas the reality is all so-called symptoms are your body's attempt to heal. Let me give you an example and I can ask you a question. Let's say you get a splinter in your finger, right, and you don't take it out. What happens next?

[00:32:45] Nathan Maingard: it gets infected and, and it'll get pus

[00:32:47] Dr Tom Cowan: doesn't get infected. It makes pus.

[00:32:50] Nathan Maingard: It makes pus. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:32:52] Dr Tom Cowan: You have to stick with what you see. Don't use, don't interpret. That's an analysis, which is you don't see infection.

[00:33:02] Nathan Maingard: No, that's true. Okay, so that's that's true. So I, what I see is, I see it gets red it,

[00:33:06] Dr Tom Cowan: You

[00:33:06] Nathan Maingard: gets red, it feels, it feels inflamed, it gets hot and it gets pus. Yeah.

[00:33:10] Dr Tom Cowan: right? And then what happens,

[00:33:13] Nathan Maingard: And then generally the splinter comes out because the pus lubricates it

[00:33:18] Dr Tom Cowan: is is the pus, is that the therapy or the disease?

[00:33:22] Nathan Maingard: Well, it's, it's the road. Well, based on the observation, it's helps my body to get rid of the, the foreign object and then heal

[00:33:30] Dr Tom Cowan: it's the therapy for the splinter.

[00:33:32] Nathan Maingard: Yeah.

[00:33:33] Dr Tom Cowan: The splinter is the disease, the pus is the therapy.

[00:33:37] Nathan Maingard: Right. Exactly. Yes.

[00:33:39] Dr Tom Cowan: Okay, so now you breathe in debris like chemtrails or dust or electromagnetic fields into your lungs. Then you make pus, right? Same thing. And that's called bronchitis. So you cough, you try to get the stuff out, and is the bronchitis, is that the therapy or the disease?

[00:34:01] Nathan Maingard: Well then that would be the therapy

[00:34:03] Dr Tom Cowan: for poisoning yourself

[00:34:05] Nathan Maingard: for the

[00:34:05] Dr Tom Cowan: with whatever.

[00:34:06] Now here's, here's even more complicated. Let's say you have a house, most people have a house, right? And you have a foyer to your house and somebody comes and dumps a whole lot of stinky garbage in the foyer of your house, right? What will you do then?

[00:34:25] Nathan Maingard: well clean out the foyer first thing.

[00:34:28] Dr Tom Cowan: How.

[00:34:29] Nathan Maingard: Um, open the front door and carry it all out to the bins.

[00:34:36] Dr Tom Cowan: How about put it in a bag first or a

[00:34:39] Nathan Maingard: Oh yeah, of course. In my mind I was like, it's, it was already in bags. But yes, of course. If if it's just

[00:34:44] Dr Tom Cowan: don't overthink it. Just, just, just be real. If somebody puts stinky garbage, you get a bag and you put the garbage in the

[00:34:53] Nathan Maingard: put it in a bag a hundred percent I,

[00:34:55] Dr Tom Cowan: Right, and then you get a few bags, and then you take it out to the curb or throw it in the whatever, right? Okay. Now you have a person and they get poisoned with stuff, you know, vaccines or pharmaceuticals or glyphosate or chemtrails. So what's the person's body gonna do? Put it in a

[00:35:18] Nathan Maingard: it up. Yeah. Put it in a bag,

[00:35:20] Dr Tom Cowan: that's called a tumor.

[00:35:23] Nathan Maingard: right.

[00:35:24] Dr Tom Cowan: So is the tumor, the disease or the therapy?

[00:35:28] Nathan Maingard: Well, then it would be the therapy.

[00:35:30] Dr Tom Cowan: So why would they try to fight the tumor?

[00:35:34] Nathan Maingard: Well, because it's based on false law, it's based on the entire system that's wrong from the ground

[00:35:39] Dr Tom Cowan: based on, on, on making shit up like Einstein said.

[00:35:45] Nathan Maingard: Okay, so,

[00:35:46] Dr Tom Cowan: thing is nonsense, and that's why it doesn't work,

[00:35:50] here's how I knew that, because they say, well, what happens if you, the person keeps throwing garbage in your house, so you put it all in the garage, and then the garage is full, and then you put it in the spare bedroom, and then you put it in the children's room, and then you put it in the kitchen and then the living room, and then you have to move right

[00:36:12] Nathan Maingard: Yeah.

[00:36:13] Dr Tom Cowan: So that's what happens to people. They put garbage in. Emotions, thoughts, glyphosate, bad foods, vaccines, et cetera, right? There's a lot of ways you can poison yourself and they make tumors and they put it in the breast and then they have not, not enough room in the breast, and they put it in the liver. And then you go to the doctor and you say, how did it get from the breast to the liver? It metastasized, meaning it swam from the breast through the bloodstream from the breast swimming to the liver, and just like the garbage swam from the garage to your spare bedroom.

[00:36:55] And then you say to the doctor, and I would say this to ask him this, can you show it to me in the bloodstream? Because if it swam through the bloodstream, you should be able to see it. I mean, I was a doctor for 40 years and I kept looking for a paper that showed that they could see tumor cells swimming in the bloodstream, and there isn't one. And I thought, well, if that's the theory, then you should be able to see it.

[00:37:21] Well, no, we, there's not enough to see. Well then how do you know it's there? Because it used to be here and now it's here, so it must have swam from one to the other. And this is like third grade logic.

[00:37:37] Nathan Maingard: Okay, so, so let's take all of that and move it into what, like, now that we've realized, okay. This whole thing is, this whole system is built on false understandings and false beliefs. So you, you talk about something called the new biology, and I'd love to hear... moving forward, how does the person who's listening to this empower themself with a different way of being, you know, what are the principles around new biology or, or what would you say to people who are going, okay, well then how do I live a vibrant, healthy life?

[00:38:08] Dr Tom Cowan: the, the whole point, the, the whole revelation for me, and I didn't realize I was doing this, although I was doing it my whole career was, don't worry so much about what's true, figure out what isn't true. It's like Sherlock Holmes said, you know, investigate the, the case based on what's not true.

[00:38:31] And at the end of the day, the only thing left must be true, uh, no matter how implausible it is. So I start looking one thing after another. The heart doesn't pump the blood. Cancer isn't, has nothing to do with genetics. DNA is not the hereditary material. There's no synapses in nerves. There's no neurotransmitters. There's no organal, there's no ribosomes in Golgi apparatus there.

[00:39:03] None of that stuff is real. It's all just pure make believe and there's various, very clear reasons how I can prove that.

[00:39:13] Nathan Maingard: Mm.

[00:39:13] Dr Tom Cowan: So at the end of the day then, what, what is there? There's basically, uh, organized water. That's what we're made of. And an electromagnetic field. And the water essentially takes in the field around us and turns it into a living substance by some way that I have no idea. And actually you can prove that heredity not only has nothing to do with DNA or the nucleus, it isn't even in your, in you. So here's the central problem of biology and medicine. Imagine you're somebody who wants a house and you got this house and you wanna know how it's built, right?

[00:40:02] So you take the bricks and the wood and you start dissecting it 'cause you're looking for the blueprint for the how the house was made. And you can't find it. So you get smaller and smaller down to a single molecule of brick. 'cause you insist that it must be in there. Right.

[00:40:23] Nathan Maingard: Yeah.

[00:40:24] Dr Tom Cowan: And turns out it's not. It's in the mind of the architect.

[00:40:28] And so that's what we've done with, with biology. You have this stuff and we dissect it. You know, there's tissues and then there's cells, which there aren't really, but they say there are. And then there's molecules and testosterone and this and, somewhere in there is the blueprint. Is how this thing works. But then they did an experiment where they take these worms, there's called aria worms, and they have a head, right? They cut their head off and they expose it to various sounds like frequency, music. And depending on the frequency of the music, the the worms will grow either two, one or no heads. And what's so interesting is, if they grow two heads, the children of the two-headed worms also have two heads.

[00:41:24] So in other words, the thing that determines the actual physical structure of a worm, which is easier to study, like if you cut your head off, it's harder to study that. Um, but if you have access to this. The impulse for this comes from the outside. So if you're somebody who wants to be healthy, you have to manage your internal waters, and you have to think about and care for the environment, the electromagnetic environment, which includes sound and thoughts and frequencies and music and light and all frequencies that are around us, and somehow bring those into balance. And that's essentially the, the sort of healing quest. And that's what is real in life. Now, when you go to a doctor. Nowadays they treat you based on what I would call disproven theories, right?

[00:42:36] So you have a, you have a fever and a cough. The, they say you have a viral infection and take this antiviral, or this vaccine or this. Or you have an autoimmune disease based on the fact that you have an immune system, which has decided to kill you. Which is weird. But there is no evidence that that's even true.

[00:42:58] There is no immune system and anytime they've, they've never been able to show that antibodies actually harm people. So we don't treat people based on disproven theories. Everybody has a story, right? So one person's story is, yeah, I was fine and then I decided to only eat, you know. Like sheep's blood for six months.

[00:43:23] Next thing you know, I felt sick all the time. What do you think happened? Well, you might wanna try eat something else and call me in a week and see if you feel better, right? Because there's no theory in that.

[00:43:38] Nathan Maingard: Yeah.

[00:43:38] Dr Tom Cowan: And with every situation, something happened to the person, Either to poison their water or change the electromagnetic field. Some, some change in their, the way they, you know, all these four things, they either got an injury, they starved themselves, poisoned their cells, or they think delusional thoughts. And once you see what happened, then you try to remediate it. And that's the new medicine based on reality, not bogus theories, which actually have been disproven.

[00:44:16] Nathan Maingard: Wow. It's amazing 'cause everything you've said has. What it does it's doing to me hearing it is the sense of, this feeling of a miracle, of like being reminded that the way our society talks about reality, it's as if everything's been solved and, and like you said, like they've taken the house and they've torn the house apart and they've said, look, this is what makes up a house. And, and we understand all of these parts and therefore we get a sense of how to make good houses. But actually the whole thing's a lie. Like the blueprint exists in the mind of the architect. I really feel that and I feel that when you talk about resonance and how, I actually wrote a song some years ago called It's All Music, which was exactly about that.

[00:45:01] How. This idea, the universe. Being the universe. The one story, the one song that is resonance, that is harmonizing. And that's what, I don't know, everything you're saying just makes me feel more like the world is actually a very magical place.

[00:45:16] Dr Tom Cowan: It is a very magical place

[00:45:17] Nathan Maingard: in a strange way.

[00:45:18] Dr Tom Cowan: and it's based on very, specific and good laws about how things work. And, you know, it's, it's basically frequencies interacting with water and that's all you can show that's real. And that, and, and people knew that forever. You go look at the. Taj Mahal made supposedly by people running around with donkey carts and no power tools.

[00:45:45] And that's nonsense. They couldn't, you can't make that. And they have this dome that just like the nucleus of a, of our tissue with an antenna, which is like the chromosomes downloading the information from the electromagnetic field around it and putting it into the water to harmonize and power the world.

[00:46:09] Nathan Maingard: Oh

[00:46:09] Dr Tom Cowan: That's the Vatican, the capitol building. It's all over the world. That's how people lived. they interacted with the, the world, the field around it, which is where the information is and where. You know, some people would say, God, or the, you know, the healing spirits, or whatever you want to say, that's, that's where the action is.

[00:46:33] But we have a theory that that doesn't exist.

[00:46:39] Nathan Maingard: That what doesn't exist.

[00:46:41] Dr Tom Cowan: None of that stuff, there's no feel that's just, it's just substance is all there is. E, even though the substance made of atoms, which is even that whole atomic theory is nonsense. Even the physicists say if you looked in an atom, you'd never see an electron. They just made that up. And by the way, the, this is not just academic because if there's no atom, there's no nucleus, and then there can't be nuclear weapons. So think about that. They, they bamboozled us into being afraid for 70 years of this tiniest little thing is gonna blow the whole world up to smithereens. That's nonsense.

[00:47:34] Nathan Maingard: Well, I feel like we need, like, if we were to dive into even a fraction of the things you've brought up in the session, we'd need like 10 sessions. So. So there's, uh, we don't have too much time left, so I wanna make sure that we give the listener their next step because it sounds like the work that you're doing is incredibly aligned and aligned with a way forward for so many of us who have been so disillusioned with the stories, we were sold by school, by the government, by media, and so.

[00:48:05] What would you suggest as a next step for someone listening to this who wants to start this path or dive further into this journey, especially around your work, et cetera?

[00:48:13] Dr Tom Cowan: I mean they can go and listen to all my podcasts and or my webinars, but. it's not like I have any special, you know, relationship with the truth or anything. All you have to do is forget about what's true. As uncomfortable as it is. Just say, all right, you find the claim. The claim is there's viruses, their claim is they're contagious.

[00:48:42] The claim is governments are necessary. The claim is nuclear weapons exist and, and try to find what is the evidence that that claim is true. If it's true, it's true. If it isn't, it isn't. And if it isn't. Don't say, well, my teacher or my friend, you know my, I'm gonna get fired for my job if I don't believe it.

[00:49:06] Whatever. Just, if it's not true, give it up. And if you commit to that, in my experience, the world will help you out and show you the next steps because you have decided like you like your podcast, you're already free. You're already free to not believe what isn't true. And there's something about that that's magical enough that the, the world says, okay, what about this?

[00:49:36] Now you know what you can do next. And you will start on this journey, just like I have. I just said to my, look, if there's viruses, that's fine. If there isn't, that's fine. I don't give a damn. The heart doesn't pump the blood. I don't care. But I wanna, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna find out how somebody figured out whether that was true or not. And what I found is there's no evidence, any of those things Total nonsense and so fine. Like I don't have a dog in that fight of whether there's a virus or not. Right? If there is, there is, and if there isn't, there isn't. What difference does it make if, if the world would be a better place without government?

[00:50:20] Fine with me. I, I don't like it anyways, so, but, but if it's better, if you have to have a government, then fine. What I've discovered is. There's no evidence that governments or forcing people by violence to do stuff they don't wanna do ever gets anywhere but more violence, period. And that's all a government does, is force people to do stuff that they wouldn't otherwise do. Who would pay their taxes to, you know? Right. Nobody. They force you. If you don't do it, we're gonna do violence, put you in a cage, take away your property. You wouldn't do that to another person.

[00:51:07] Nathan Maingard: And just a, a bit of a segue, but it's something I am curious to know if you're interested in, and then we, we will, we'll be done for today, but, um, GNM. German New Medicine, I had a guest on a while ago, Dr. Melissa Sell, who I really enjoyed. Another woman, Freya Kellet. Um, really interesting conversations around this idea of how to use our symptoms as a way to track like where, where are their misalignments and, and, and again, that symptoms are a healing process, but how to support that healing process.

[00:51:40] Dr Tom Cowan: I, I know enough about German new medicine to be dangerous, there are a lot of similarities with what I'm saying, but there's things that I'm not convinced they have right.

[00:51:51] Nathan Maingard: Okay.

[00:51:51] Dr Tom Cowan: So I, I don't, we don't, we do use it. All of our doctors in our clinic know it and. You know, it's part of our repertoire, but there's some things which I'm at this point not convinced

[00:52:07] Nathan Maingard: Okay. Is there anything in particular that it feels a bit like questionable to you that just for the listener?

[00:52:15] Dr Tom Cowan: of German new medicine?

[00:52:16] Nathan Maingard: Yeah.

[00:52:18] Dr Tom Cowan: so I, I am generally resistant to. So if it's your ovary, then it's a conflict around whatever. What I found in 40 years of questioning people is they have different conflicts and they have different issues, and some people it's poisoning and some people it's starving, and some people it's this, and to make a blanket statement that it's always around this conflict.

[00:52:42] I don't go there.

[00:52:44] Nathan Maingard: Okay. Got you. Cool. Well, oh my gosh. I feel like we literally just opened the can of worms and now we have to say farewell for, for today's session. But I, I thank you for, for your work and the inspiration and really, yeah, just the feeling of. The willingness to question it all because in many ways I, I often feel alone in that where, you know, even something as simple as, uh, wearing shoes, like the shoes that people wear in society are deforming their feet.

[00:53:12] And it just seems that most people don't even care. Like it's not even a question that people are asking. So I love that you've taken that for me anyway, and I hope for the listener as well. Further into to these bigger questions around these things that we just consider normal and true just because we've been told it enough times.

[00:53:30] So thank you for your time, uh, Dr. Cowan, and I will definitely be sharing your links in the show notes. And is there any last message you'd like to share with our listener? Otherwise, yeah, I just thank you again.

[00:53:41] Dr Tom Cowan: you know, you're right. There's these big questions, but it's also little questions like Right. Wearing shoes not good for you

[00:53:47] Nathan Maingard: Right.

[00:53:48] Dr Tom Cowan: And brushing your teeth isn't good for you.

[00:53:50] Nathan Maingard: Oh dude. you keep saying these things that I want to explore and I'm like, I need to have more time. That's amazing. Um, but I guess we can read your books as well, which is helpful.

[00:54:00] thank you Dr. Cowan. I wish you well and uh, yeah, blessings on the path. Thank you for coming on. We are already free and, and I hope to have you back again sometime.

[00:54:07] Dr Tom Cowan: Okay. Thanks Nathan.

[00:54:09] Nathan Maingard: Phew. What a ride. Am I right? That definitely challenged some of my beliefs about life, the universe, and everything. Thanks as always for joining us on this transformative episode of We Are Already Free. I hope today's conversation with Dr. Tom Cowan has sparked new insights and maybe even challenged some of the beliefs you've held about health and wellness.

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