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Welcome to

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User Friendly 2.0 with host Bill Sikkens.

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Technology architect.

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And this is User Friendly 2.0!

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I am your host Bill Sikkens.

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Joining me Bill, Gretchen.

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Welcome to this week's show. Hello there.

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So we've got to start out
with some sad news.

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I'm afraid today because we've lost
two of the greats and entertainment.

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And both passed away at the age of 80.

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First one is the legendary Dolly Parton.

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Dolly Parton has died at the age of 80.

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She died Tuesday in Nashville,

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following what her representatives
described as a brief battle with cancer.

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Born in rural Tennessee in 1946, Dolly
Parton rose from a childhood of poverty

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in the Smoky Mountains
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recognizable entertainers in the world.

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And while we think of her as a

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country music legend, country star
really just doesn't begin to cover it.

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She wrote classics including Jolene,
Code of Many Colors, 9 to 5,

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and I Will Always Love You.

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She became a successful actress,
appearing in films including 9 to 5,

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The Best Little Whorehouse
in Texas, and Steel.

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She was
also a remarkably successful business

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woman whose name became synonymous
with Dollywood.

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But one of Dolly Parton's
greatest legacies

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may have happened away from the stage.

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Her Imagination Library has provided books
to millions of children,

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and she quietly put enormous amounts
of her wealth and influence behind

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literacy, education, disaster
relief, and medical research.

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Dolly also possessed a rare ability
in modern American culture.

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People from widely different backgrounds
seem to agree that they liked her.

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She could poke fun at herself,
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by where she came from, and built
an extraordinarily career

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largely
by being unmistakably Dolly Parton.

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And sadly, we've also learned today

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of the death of Tim Curry,
also at the age of 80.

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For generations of movie
fans, Curry will be forever.

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Doctor Frankfurter and The Rocky

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Horror Picture Show one of the great cult
film performances of all time.

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But Tim Curry has one of those careers
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for something different.

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Maybe he's Wadsworth and Clue.

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Maybe he's the terrifying
Pennywise in the 1990

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television adaptation of Stephen
King's It.

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Maybe you remember him from legend,
The Three Musketeers or Home Alone two,

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and an entire younger generation knew him
unmistakably voiced through animation,

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particularly in Nigel Thornberry
in The Wild Thornberrys.

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And yeah, he was a voice actor.

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A very good one, too. Agreed.

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Corey was a Curry.

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Rather was also an accomplished
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Tony Award nominations,
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My Favorite Year and Spamalot.

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His career changed dramatically
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which affected his mobility
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but he continued working,

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making appearances and maintaining
a wonderfully warm relationship

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with the fans who had followed him
or his work over the decades.

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There's
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losing Dolly Parton and Tim Curry
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One gave us Jolene,
the other gave us Frankfurter

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and Pennywise, and somehow
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whose work Cross generations
Dolly Parton and Tim Curry both gone at 80

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and both leaving behind the kind of work
that isn't going anywhere.

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And they are two
legends that will be missed.

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All right.

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What do we have in the news?

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Oh, well, Dish Network is in bankruptcy,

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so this is actually not a new topic.

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This has happened back in June
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But we've had a lot of questions
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what is actually going on here,
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stories, let's just say,
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And one of them is, is Dish Network
going to stop broadcasting and a company

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that they own called sling,
which you may have heard of, sling

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TV is obviously a very well known
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provider of television
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So what's actually happened here
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and that's the kind of bankruptcy
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It doesn't mean they're suddenly shutting
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with creditors and some

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other things that are required
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So yeah, it does mean
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because they're part of the filings,
but neither is shutting down.

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What the problem really here is, is that

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people aren't using linear television
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So Dish Network is, of course
a competitor for cable television.

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Satellite
based has been around for a long time.

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just with churn and cord cutting
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they are starting to have problems
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So I don't see them shutting down.

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I don't think
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Certainly not sling TV,
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overall linear television things
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More and more people
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You know, the idea in 2026
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for a show to air is
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you watch what you want on demand
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but just to give an idea of where
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at the end of June,
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had 4.684 million subscribers,

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1.7 million sling TV subscribers.

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So it's a total of 6.391 million combined.

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they lost 161,000 subscribers,
while sling lost about 80,000.

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Now it's a little unusual for sling
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I think they'll be able to turn that one
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But again,
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definitely from the last decade,
if not before.

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So it's going to be interesting
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they end up doing with this
and what should go on before the moment.

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If you have dish TV, you are not at risk
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The one little thing that I have noticed
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this is blackouts of channels,
especially local channels.

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They seem to be a lot less interested
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at this point,
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And so, you know, we could start
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All right.

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Robots can outrun humans,
but can they plug in a cable?

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That's a very good question.

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It's a strange question, but the strange
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So Reuters is reporting this.

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Reuters. Reuters.

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Anyway, it's one of those two ways 
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But Reuters.

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Reuters
I knew I was saying it wrong Reuters.

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So they have these competition
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The latest one was held August 23rd
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are put in competition
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They have proven that they can run quicker
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The fine motor control and that type of
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But one of the next things coming up
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What you would find in the office stuff.

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Can they plug in a network cable,
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Can they do some of these different type
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but it seemed like it was more
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The robots got bored
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So we'll see what
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All right.

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Yeah, I think I'd get bored of doing
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Looks like broadcaster
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70 years of footage
after its storage provider disappeared.

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Tell us about that.

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So this is in reference to PBS and what?

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This is where these things
become important to have backups.

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This been like a major thing of it,
but it's the same idea.

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Okay.

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So you have your memory card from your,

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you know, camera back when we had those
are your phone now these type of things

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and something gets stolen lost damage
that kind of a thing.

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You would be out those photos or whatever
the case may be.

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Modern equipment

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like your phone providers, usually back up
to the cloud automatically.

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And for the bigger companies
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they use cloud based services
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and running different things
that are in aspect of being a broadcaster.

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And what's happened here is it
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if you had everything
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and the company
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suddenly went away and you couldn't
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anymore
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And you have 70 years of footage
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and that they can no longer
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And that's what's going on here.

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It's a problem.

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It's about 50TB of footage.

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Again, a 70 year archive
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of the Great Flood of 1993, the Covid 19
pandemic, irreplaceable stuff, and so on.

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So, you know, it's

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one of those things that they have to
be careful.

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I am working with a client right now
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out or not trying to figure out,
but we put into place a backup situation.

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Well, it's not 70 years of stuff.

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It would cost them their business
to something like this happen.

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So we have both their online
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the online cloud system
that runs their things.

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We are also putting into place
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that they have control over
that automatically

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back up once a month from the stuff
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It's a little bit of money to do that,
but it saves the data.

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And then they're going to another step
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once a month they rotate in basically
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which backs that up, and then it's
physically disconnected from the network.

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Because remember,
if you're losing your data

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because the hackers got
in, they know you have backups

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and they know they're online,
that's not going to do you a lot of good.

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You need the offline backups too.

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But you still want cloud backups

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because if your office burns down
or there's a catastrophic problem.

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Bill in Reno,

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I know you guys have just been dealing
with that with the fire right now.

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These things happen
and can be completely unexpected.

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Then you want the cloud backup,
so it's just the best way of covering it.

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These in space.

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Yeah.

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And I was thinking trying to remember why
this would make me think of the Muppets.

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And then I was like a pigs in space.

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So over the years,
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to see how they react to things, bees
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And it's actually worked out quite well.

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They've been able to build their hive
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they would on Earth.

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some of these experiments are actually
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because of the fact
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having life in space, establishing,
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Mars has been talked about.

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The moon,
I think will be more likely first,

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but at the end of the day,
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food, we're going to need animals
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We need to know how they work.

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And well,

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I think it's kind of cool
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is it's not something where it injures
the animal either.

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It's just, you know, they do
the experiment and then bring them back.

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kind of interesting to see it just it
didn't seem like a bug them a whole lot.

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The colony was in a contained environment

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and they were able to go
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Cool.

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Which is interesting considering Zero-G.

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Yeah, yeah, I think that's a big reason
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like this.

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Because again, you know,
you can do stuff in the lab

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and try to figure things out,
but you really don't know what it is.

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Some backups or some backups,
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this is not the first time
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This experiment actually started
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But the first time they did
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in 1947, which were the
first animals sent to space.

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All right.

236
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Thinking of stuff that makes us
think about space.

237
00:12:39,058 --> 00:12:43,395
Lucas Museum of Narrative Art
is about to open.

238
00:12:44,029 --> 00:12:46,599
So thinking about space,
this would be Lucas

239
00:12:46,599 --> 00:12:50,336
of the George Lucas of Star Wars,
among other things. Yes.

240
00:12:50,336 --> 00:12:53,272
And you should see the building
they're building or they built.

241
00:12:53,272 --> 00:12:55,674
It looks like a spaceship, in my opinion.

242
00:12:55,674 --> 00:12:57,676
Kind of, you know, it's cool.

243
00:12:57,676 --> 00:12:59,945
Scheduled to open September 22nd.

244
00:12:59,945 --> 00:13:04,283
So here in a couple of weeks,
Exposition Park in Los Angeles.

245
00:13:04,283 --> 00:13:06,385
So if you're down there,
certainly worth checking out.

246
00:13:06,385 --> 00:13:08,320
I can imagine how Opening Day
is going to be.

247
00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,456
You guys,
we should go drive down on the 22nd.

248
00:13:10,456 --> 00:13:11,157
Want to go?

249
00:13:11,157 --> 00:13:13,993
I want to see this. Let's
see if maybe we can make that happen.

250
00:13:13,993 --> 00:13:15,661
But let's see.

251
00:13:15,661 --> 00:13:20,366
The museum is founded
by George Lucas and his wife, Melody and.

252
00:13:21,534 --> 00:13:24,336
Ariel Investments, believe is
the company that they're doing it under.

253
00:13:24,336 --> 00:13:26,672
But it's not just about space.

254
00:13:26,672 --> 00:13:29,742
No, it's about, you know, narrative art.

255
00:13:29,775 --> 00:13:31,477
You know, it's visual. It's.

256
00:13:31,477 --> 00:13:32,278
Yeah, yeah.

257
00:13:32,278 --> 00:13:36,282
So, you know, a thing like that,
I you know, what they're talking about,

258
00:13:36,282 --> 00:13:40,419
including in this is illustration,
comic books, movie concept art,

259
00:13:40,419 --> 00:13:41,554
photography, children's

260
00:13:41,554 --> 00:13:45,157
books, illustrations, posters
and other forms of visual storytelling

261
00:13:45,391 --> 00:13:48,060
and share space with paintings
and other traditional artworks.

262
00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:50,663
This sounds absolutely incredible.

263
00:13:50,663 --> 00:13:54,133
There's more than 40,000 works,
so it's a fairly large museum,

264
00:13:54,733 --> 00:13:58,838
and it's going to feature over
1200 objects in over 30 galleries.

265
00:13:58,904 --> 00:14:01,907
So yeah, that's going to be a day or two
to see all that, I think.

266
00:14:02,074 --> 00:14:03,776
Yeah, I was about to say we'd need

267
00:14:03,776 --> 00:14:07,813
at least two days because it looks like
there's a garden of grounds

268
00:14:07,813 --> 00:14:11,183
that looks like it would be amazing
to walk through as well.

269
00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:16,155
So and, and for anybody asking,
is there going to be Star Wars here.

270
00:14:16,155 --> 00:14:17,990
Yes there is, Bill. Go ahead.

271
00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:21,827
I would say I mean, other than the fact
that it's in LA, I would

272
00:14:21,894 --> 00:14:26,298
I would do some serious things
to be a curator at that museum.

273
00:14:26,732 --> 00:14:27,333
Yeah.

274
00:14:27,333 --> 00:14:30,069
So, you know,
I mean, maybe make it worthwhile.

275
00:14:30,069 --> 00:14:31,270
Not that we're anti LA.

276
00:14:31,270 --> 00:14:34,840
There's a lot of good people in Los
Angeles, but I too big of a city for me.

277
00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,943
But yeah it's too stressful. Yeah.

278
00:14:38,210 --> 00:14:39,979
But again there's going to be Star Wars.

279
00:14:39,979 --> 00:14:41,814
And if there wasn't
that would be really weird.

280
00:14:41,814 --> 00:14:46,518
So they're going to be featuring props,
costumes, artwork and other materials

281
00:14:46,619 --> 00:14:49,955
from Lucasfilm's
going back more than four decades.

282
00:14:49,955 --> 00:14:53,993
And that will include material from the
first six Star Wars movies, the first four

283
00:14:53,993 --> 00:14:58,597
Indiana Jones films, plus Willow, Red
tails, Howard the Duck and others.

284
00:14:58,631 --> 00:15:03,602
And one of the initial expositions
is appropriate called Star Wars in Motion.

285
00:15:03,602 --> 00:15:04,703
Yeah, so we're going to have to find out

286
00:15:04,703 --> 00:15:08,540
more about this and see 
what's going to be there.

287
00:15:08,540 --> 00:15:11,977
Among the announced pieces are the Luke
Skywalker's land speeder

288
00:15:12,077 --> 00:15:15,981
and the first physical build
of General Grievous wheel bike.

289
00:15:16,615 --> 00:15:18,017
Oh, nice.

290
00:15:20,319 --> 00:15:22,187
Our transparent solar panels.

291
00:15:22,187 --> 00:15:23,422
Real? Yeah.

292
00:15:23,422 --> 00:15:27,493
I can't remember if this was a listener
question or where this actually came from.

293
00:15:27,826 --> 00:15:31,030
Me might have been Gretchen.

294
00:15:33,999 --> 00:15:37,670
So this was a Instagram

295
00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:41,140
video, which always is like, okay,
we should probably double check that.

296
00:15:41,140 --> 00:15:43,542
There's
a lot of real material on Instagram

297
00:15:43,542 --> 00:15:47,713
and there's a lot of absolutely fake stuff
on Instagram, and it's up in the middle.

298
00:15:47,713 --> 00:15:51,917
So it's sometimes, you know,
creates a situation where it's like, okay,

299
00:15:51,951 --> 00:15:55,154
at least I can count on the gravity stuff
being real.

300
00:15:55,187 --> 00:15:56,522
This is true.

301
00:15:56,522 --> 00:15:56,855
Yeah.

302
00:15:56,855 --> 00:16:00,159
And gravity unfortunately has to try
to convince people that sometimes.

303
00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:01,560
But gravity is real.

304
00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,229
You know, I both flown the pack.
It's real.

305
00:16:04,229 --> 00:16:09,702
But the idea of a transparent
solar panel, yes, it is actually real.

306
00:16:09,702 --> 00:16:11,537
It's a thing that's been out for a while.

307
00:16:11,537 --> 00:16:14,707
And there's several universities
have been testing this out.

308
00:16:14,707 --> 00:16:17,509
It's something that does create power.

309
00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:19,778
The thing of it is it's a little bit

310
00:16:19,778 --> 00:16:23,282
where you don't maybe see this mainstream
yet is the fact that they produce

311
00:16:23,282 --> 00:16:27,519
less power than a standard solar panel,
because a standard solar panel is able to

312
00:16:28,554 --> 00:16:30,022
more closely contain

313
00:16:30,022 --> 00:16:33,025
the light, whereas a clear solar panel
that flows through it.

314
00:16:33,025 --> 00:16:35,995
However, some of the applications
that are being considered

315
00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:39,031
for this
or the glass on the side of skyscrapers

316
00:16:39,098 --> 00:16:42,201
or it doesn't matter really,
because whatever you have up

317
00:16:42,201 --> 00:16:44,470
there is going to produce energy
where it doesn't now.

318
00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:46,538
And even though it might be less
than a standard

319
00:16:46,538 --> 00:16:48,474
solar panel,
it's still going to be a lot of power

320
00:16:48,474 --> 00:16:52,411
and could certainly help to contribute
to the power requirements of the building.

321
00:16:52,411 --> 00:16:55,748
I've also seen a work up
where they're talking about

322
00:16:55,748 --> 00:16:59,018
using this type of technology
for a data center,

323
00:16:59,018 --> 00:17:01,520
and actually encapsulating
the whole building in a glass.

324
00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,757
It's kind of a cool concept
if you look at the artwork,

325
00:17:04,790 --> 00:17:09,161
because you'd walk into
what is basically a glass building.

326
00:17:09,161 --> 00:17:11,830
So it's all full of natural light
and that kind of thing.

327
00:17:11,830 --> 00:17:14,867
But all of that glass is producing
a good portion of the electricity

328
00:17:14,867 --> 00:17:17,002
that's running the data center underneath.

329
00:17:17,002 --> 00:17:21,306
So I think, I think I saw a work up
two of like a building

330
00:17:21,340 --> 00:17:25,377
like the MGM Grand in Vegas,
you know, or was it the Luxor?

331
00:17:25,544 --> 00:17:26,512
The pyramid?

332
00:17:26,512 --> 00:17:28,881
The pyramid is the Luxor, okay.

333
00:17:28,881 --> 00:17:29,782
The Luxor,

334
00:17:29,782 --> 00:17:34,353
where they were using that same technology
to because it's mostly glass, right?

335
00:17:34,386 --> 00:17:36,388
Yeah. And absolutely.

336
00:17:36,388 --> 00:17:37,623
So, you know,

337
00:17:37,623 --> 00:17:39,658
and that was the biggest negative
I could even find on it

338
00:17:39,658 --> 00:17:42,661
because I was trying to look
for both sides of this as well.

339
00:17:42,661 --> 00:17:45,464
It doesn't produce as much power
because it's transparent.

340
00:17:45,464 --> 00:17:49,134
Well, so what right now the glass
in your window probably produces no power.

341
00:17:49,201 --> 00:17:51,136
So. Yeah, exactly. You know,

342
00:17:52,371 --> 00:17:54,840
and they aren't
that much more difficult to manufacture

343
00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,276
and actually don't cost
that more than much more

344
00:17:57,276 --> 00:18:00,312
when you're looking at it
from the concept of like a skyscraper,

345
00:18:00,712 --> 00:18:03,582
if you were to redo your home windows with
it, it would be a little bit more money.

346
00:18:03,582 --> 00:18:06,652
But even though it's
still in the range of affordable.

347
00:18:06,718 --> 00:18:09,154
So let's say you were going to do
energy store on your home.

348
00:18:09,154 --> 00:18:11,890
So you're doing low glass replacement,
which is something

349
00:18:11,890 --> 00:18:13,025
I'm thinking about doing.

350
00:18:13,025 --> 00:18:15,661
I might actually look into this technology
and see if it'd be worth it.

351
00:18:15,661 --> 00:18:18,430
I don't know if I have enough glass
coverage to where it would be worth

352
00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:21,300
all the back end equipment,
but it'd be kind of something interesting.

353
00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:24,470
At least find out about,
hey, you can do it on my house.

354
00:18:25,504 --> 00:18:26,238
What else would you.

355
00:18:26,238 --> 00:18:29,074
The color in the wires, wouldn't it?

356
00:18:29,074 --> 00:18:31,343
Yeah. Well, you and you're going
to have installation like that.

357
00:18:31,343 --> 00:18:34,746
You have cable runs,
but you also have equipment that has to

358
00:18:34,780 --> 00:18:37,182
go somewhere that receives the power
and does something with it.

359
00:18:37,182 --> 00:18:40,052
Usually charging
a battery is the way that works.

360
00:18:40,052 --> 00:18:42,721
Yeah. You know, so
so there's some investment in there.

361
00:18:42,721 --> 00:18:46,425
So would the amount of glass space
on a residential home

362
00:18:46,458 --> 00:18:49,428
be enough to accommodate that on its own?

363
00:18:49,428 --> 00:18:51,063
Probably not.

364
00:18:51,063 --> 00:18:53,732
What I'm thinking is, is adding it
to an existing solar

365
00:18:53,732 --> 00:18:57,803
panel installation, though,
and then conceivably using the same back

366
00:18:57,803 --> 00:18:59,872
end equipment
that's already running the solar panels

367
00:18:59,872 --> 00:19:03,342
and just adding that as an input,
then it might make it make sense to do it.

368
00:19:03,342 --> 00:19:04,910
So we'll see.

369
00:19:04,910 --> 00:19:05,677
All right.

370
00:19:05,677 --> 00:19:07,546
And here's another unusual thing.

371
00:19:07,546 --> 00:19:11,116
World's first hands free umbrella.

372
00:19:11,216 --> 00:19:12,751
Yeah again an Instagram.

373
00:19:12,751 --> 00:19:14,119
Now this is a funny one too

374
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,956
because the video I saw on Instagram
is clearly AI generated.

375
00:19:18,290 --> 00:19:21,193
Okay,
I wasn't sure it looked a little off,

376
00:19:21,193 --> 00:19:23,295
but I was thinking,
oh, that's a cool idea.

377
00:19:23,295 --> 00:19:28,300
But the engineer
and the idea of this is actually real.

378
00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:32,838
And there are some real videos of him
showing this off with what

379
00:19:32,838 --> 00:19:36,909
he actually has,
but which is one of those things too,

380
00:19:36,942 --> 00:19:40,512
because you look at it in the first thing
is, oh, this is AI generated.

381
00:19:40,512 --> 00:19:41,613
It's fake.

382
00:19:41,613 --> 00:19:44,516
Well,
the video was definitely AI generated,

383
00:19:44,516 --> 00:19:47,853
but the thing is not fake.

384
00:19:48,420 --> 00:19:52,357
There's a few things about it, though
that are going to be a little time for.

385
00:19:52,357 --> 00:19:54,493
I think you're going to see this
at target.

386
00:19:54,493 --> 00:19:55,694
And number one.

387
00:19:55,694 --> 00:19:56,995
So basically what it is, is

388
00:19:56,995 --> 00:20:00,666
it's essentially a quadcopter
with a Raspberry Pi in it.

389
00:20:00,699 --> 00:20:02,267
It's able to track the user.

390
00:20:02,267 --> 00:20:05,070
So he walks under it
and this thing flies over his head.

391
00:20:05,070 --> 00:20:07,573
And it's really kind of cool.
And it does work.

392
00:20:07,573 --> 00:20:10,742
The proof of concept
is absolutely out there,

393
00:20:10,742 --> 00:20:15,080
and I think of other ideas
that could be used for that'd be cool.

394
00:20:15,113 --> 00:20:19,117
Like a little floating, like a Grogu pod

395
00:20:19,151 --> 00:20:22,154
that, you know, you can carry stuff with.

396
00:20:22,254 --> 00:20:25,424
And yeah, I mean, you know,
you can look at a lot of different things.

397
00:20:25,424 --> 00:20:26,892
The engineer is John.

398
00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:29,795
I apologize for

399
00:20:29,795 --> 00:20:32,998
pronouncing his last name,
but he actually did build this thing.

400
00:20:32,998 --> 00:20:33,999
It does work.

401
00:20:33,999 --> 00:20:37,002
The drone is constructed using 3D

402
00:20:37,002 --> 00:20:39,705
printed carbon fiber reinforced nylon.

403
00:20:39,705 --> 00:20:42,507
So it's going to be strong enough
to actually work.

404
00:20:42,507 --> 00:20:46,778
But the thing of it is, is there's still
some things that need to be worked out.

405
00:20:46,812 --> 00:20:49,581
First of all,
the flight time is only about 15 minutes.

406
00:20:49,581 --> 00:20:55,153
Wind is a problem because it'll rotor
down, wash, can push the water around.

407
00:20:55,153 --> 00:20:56,788
We have all of that kind of a thing.

408
00:20:56,788 --> 00:21:02,227
And then there is the possibility
of a safety issue of having four rapidly

409
00:21:02,227 --> 00:21:05,731
spinning drone propellers
hovering around people's heads.

410
00:21:06,431 --> 00:21:11,069
So, you know, 
but I think the idea of it's kind of cool.

411
00:21:11,069 --> 00:21:12,704
And I think this is where you start.

412
00:21:12,704 --> 00:21:16,575
And I could just, you know, as part
of the futuristic thing, in addition to me

413
00:21:16,642 --> 00:21:18,677
having my,
you know, jetpack that I'm flying around

414
00:21:18,677 --> 00:21:21,680
and having an umbrella hover over
my head would be kind of cool.

415
00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:24,182
I mean, it works with one of those.

416
00:21:27,786 --> 00:21:29,354
Hands free umbrella.

417
00:21:29,354 --> 00:21:31,556
So tell us about your hands free and roll.
How does it work?

418
00:21:31,556 --> 00:21:32,591
It was a hat.

419
00:21:32,591 --> 00:21:35,861
Oh, well, yeah,
I think you're gonna say that.

420
00:21:36,261 --> 00:21:39,398
It was just a hat and an umbrella on it

421
00:21:39,965 --> 00:21:42,734
that.

422
00:21:42,734 --> 00:21:45,737
Well, in different news, OpenAI halts

423
00:21:45,737 --> 00:21:50,342
AI training on advanced model
as it detects dark signs emerging.

424
00:21:51,043 --> 00:21:53,612
Well, that doesn't sound good.

425
00:21:53,612 --> 00:21:56,815
No. Is it going grok? No.

426
00:21:56,982 --> 00:21:57,983
From what I understand.

427
00:21:57,983 --> 00:21:58,950
No, no.

428
00:21:58,950 --> 00:22:03,055
We're clear that now,
I did ask AI about this, and I was told

429
00:22:03,055 --> 00:22:05,157
there's absolutely nothing to worry about.
So we're good.

430
00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:05,991
We're safe.

431
00:22:05,991 --> 00:22:08,994
Okay,

432
00:22:09,294 --> 00:22:12,331
so what happened
is, is this is a true story.

433
00:22:12,397 --> 00:22:14,499
OpenAI has slowed

434
00:22:14,499 --> 00:22:18,270
portions of its development program
because two separate things happened.

435
00:22:18,570 --> 00:22:20,472
We actually talked about this earlier
in the year,

436
00:22:20,472 --> 00:22:24,109
but an earlier OpenAI model
testing incident involving hugging face,

437
00:22:24,443 --> 00:22:28,013
which is another AI where an AI system
managed to reach systems outside

438
00:22:28,013 --> 00:22:31,116
of his intended environment
and decide to hack them.

439
00:22:32,951 --> 00:22:35,620
So that was considered a problem.

440
00:22:35,620 --> 00:22:40,425
And what they're looking at here
is a situation

441
00:22:40,425 --> 00:22:44,229
where these kind of things,
they want to know what's going on.

442
00:22:44,396 --> 00:22:45,497
It doesn't mean that

443
00:22:45,497 --> 00:22:49,201
AI has become evil all of a sudden,
you know, or anything like that.

444
00:22:49,234 --> 00:22:53,472
It just means that it is doing things
that are unexpected,

445
00:22:53,472 --> 00:22:57,142
and it's time to take a step back
and figure out why and what's going on.

446
00:22:57,142 --> 00:22:58,944
And could this become a problem?

447
00:22:58,944 --> 00:23:02,314
Because one of the things is, is
it's not always the good guys that use AI.

448
00:23:02,547 --> 00:23:05,751
And at the end of the day,
if this is possible,

449
00:23:05,751 --> 00:23:07,652
we actually do want to know about it,
you know,

450
00:23:07,652 --> 00:23:10,055
because it's something
that has to be planned against.

451
00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:13,058
We talked earlier in the year
about actual full

452
00:23:13,058 --> 00:23:16,428
AI defense and strategies that businesses
are starting to put into place,

453
00:23:16,428 --> 00:23:20,132
using AI to defend against AI
and having AI run it.

454
00:23:20,365 --> 00:23:24,803
If you haven't heard that episode,
go to User Friendly Dot show

455
00:23:24,803 --> 00:23:28,106
because it's there
and it's a very interesting conversation

456
00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:31,343
of kind of, you know,
welcome to the future.

457
00:23:31,676 --> 00:23:33,311
Oh yeah.

458
00:23:33,311 --> 00:23:36,681
So, you know, at the end of the day,
this is a new technology.

459
00:23:36,681 --> 00:23:39,751
It's developing and a lot of interesting
things are going to happen.

460
00:23:39,851 --> 00:23:41,553
This is user friendly 2.0.

461
00:23:41,553 --> 00:23:42,754
We'll be back after the break.

462
00:23:44,022 --> 00:23:46,024
He's from the future.

463
00:23:46,024 --> 00:23:49,294
He's got a really big computer

464
00:23:49,661 --> 00:23:52,898
and he uses it uses it every day.

465
00:23:53,265 --> 00:23:56,334
And he uses it uses it in every way.

466
00:23:56,635 --> 00:24:02,040
What you use it for, you know, I'm
not that sure because he hears it here.

467
00:24:02,741 --> 00:24:03,275
Welcome back.

468
00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:05,377
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469
00:24:05,377 --> 00:24:08,380
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470
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All right guys, well, you know, we program
a lot on our listener questions.

481
00:24:34,239 --> 00:24:37,843
And we've been having a lot more interest
like a lot more interest

482
00:24:37,843 --> 00:24:40,212
in the last six months
or so in retro technology.

483
00:24:40,212 --> 00:24:41,613
So we've been covering some of that.

484
00:24:41,613 --> 00:24:45,450
And I'm having a lot of fun doing it
because it is actually an area of

485
00:24:45,450 --> 00:24:47,219
interest of mine, and

486
00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:50,355
it's something that is a lot of fun

487
00:24:50,355 --> 00:24:51,523
and is a for example,

488
00:24:51,523 --> 00:24:55,460
we've got some projects we're working on
that I got a Sega mega drive,

489
00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:58,897
which North American is known
as a Genesis, but mine is actually

490
00:24:58,897 --> 00:25:03,001
a mega drive to work in North America
and run the games for both systems.

491
00:25:03,034 --> 00:25:05,904
Actually all three.
It runs the Japanese ones too.

492
00:25:05,904 --> 00:25:08,707
It was a little bit of a process
to make that function,

493
00:25:08,707 --> 00:25:10,442
but that's the kind of stuff
I like to mess with

494
00:25:10,442 --> 00:25:13,979
in retro tech and is, I think most people
that have listened for a while know that

495
00:25:13,979 --> 00:25:18,617
we like to work with the old video game
cabinets and systems and old computers

496
00:25:18,617 --> 00:25:22,387
and radios and all the rest of this stuff,
which is kind of cool. And

497
00:25:23,622 --> 00:25:25,257
along
those lines, we get a lot of questions

498
00:25:25,257 --> 00:25:28,627
coming in about, you know, how to deal
with all of this stuff.

499
00:25:28,627 --> 00:25:32,464
And we're going to talk about some horror
stories that we've dealt with here.

500
00:25:32,497 --> 00:25:35,534
Gretchen, in your case, like Merlin
and now the baby laptop.

501
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,970
Oh my goodness. Oh yeah. The baby laptop.

502
00:25:39,104 --> 00:25:40,872
So, you know, and some other things.

503
00:25:40,872 --> 00:25:44,676
But, you know,
one of the interesting things about retro

504
00:25:44,676 --> 00:25:46,511
technology
is that we've reached a point where

505
00:25:46,511 --> 00:25:49,581
keeping it running is no longer simply
using old equipment.

506
00:25:49,581 --> 00:25:51,816
It's preservation and it really is.

507
00:25:51,816 --> 00:25:54,920
So when you think about these things,
something like a Commodore 64

508
00:25:54,953 --> 00:25:56,821
is more than 40 years old,

509
00:25:56,821 --> 00:25:59,991
an original Nintendo
Entertainment System is around 40.

510
00:26:00,025 --> 00:26:04,262
Even something we might not instinctively
consider retro, such as an original Xbox

511
00:26:04,262 --> 00:26:07,599
or Windows XP computer,
is now more than two decades old.

512
00:26:07,632 --> 00:26:10,635
Bill, isn't it,
where to think of an Xbox as retro?

513
00:26:11,303 --> 00:26:13,872
Yeah, it is, it is.

514
00:26:13,872 --> 00:26:17,475
You know, the thing about it
is, is electronics don't age

515
00:26:17,475 --> 00:26:20,512
quite the same way
that furniture or books do.

516
00:26:20,712 --> 00:26:23,515
So you can put a book on a shelf
for 30 years and assuming

517
00:26:23,515 --> 00:26:26,518
the environment is reasonable,
pull it down and read it.

518
00:26:26,518 --> 00:26:27,919
You can put a computer on the shelf

519
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:31,590
for 30 years, pull it down, plug it
in, and, well, not quite so much.

520
00:26:31,890 --> 00:26:32,090
You're.

521
00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:35,260
Yeah, yeah.

522
00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:39,397
And trust me,
the baby laptop was not stored in a barn.

523
00:26:39,397 --> 00:26:43,201
It was not stored in out in the,

524
00:26:43,234 --> 00:26:46,571
you know, in the yard or in the heat.

525
00:26:46,571 --> 00:26:50,842
It was in a climate controlled location.

526
00:26:50,875 --> 00:26:55,380
So what Gretchen is referring to
by the baby laptop is an IBM ThinkPad T30.

527
00:26:55,413 --> 00:26:57,282
It's the one with the butterfly keyboard.

528
00:26:57,282 --> 00:26:59,918
Now, if there are a lot of people
in the community

529
00:26:59,918 --> 00:27:03,254
that collect retro laptops,
that is a very sought after one.

530
00:27:03,254 --> 00:27:07,025
And the way that we ended up getting it is
I've been in technology

531
00:27:07,025 --> 00:27:11,496
since, what, 1998
I think is when we started leaving

532
00:27:11,563 --> 00:27:16,201
sooner than that, I think you, you yeah,
you were working on the computer stuff

533
00:27:16,201 --> 00:27:20,138
in the early 90s,
like 94 somewhere around there, right?

534
00:27:20,171 --> 00:27:22,073
In any event, it was in the 90s.

535
00:27:22,073 --> 00:27:26,111
I'm getting old, you know,
I'm a retro electronics now, I think.

536
00:27:26,277 --> 00:27:29,714
But we started out with a store in a mall

537
00:27:29,914 --> 00:27:33,251
in Reno, Nevada, and this store is gone.

538
00:27:33,251 --> 00:27:34,719
The mall is gone.

539
00:27:34,719 --> 00:27:37,822
Reno, Nevada,
fortunately, after the fires is not gone.

540
00:27:37,856 --> 00:27:42,394
But the point being that
this is how these things have changed,

541
00:27:42,394 --> 00:27:48,033
and some of the stuff that we were selling
in that store is now very much retro.

542
00:27:48,066 --> 00:27:51,136
Well, during that time, because we were
a startup, didn't have a lot of money.

543
00:27:51,136 --> 00:27:56,241
I had a client that was a bank,
and we did the computers for the bank,

544
00:27:56,241 --> 00:27:59,811
for the state of Nevada for a long time,
and one day got a call

545
00:27:59,878 --> 00:28:03,682
because we would take old equipment,
fix it back up and recycle it

546
00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:04,716
and give it back to the schools

547
00:28:04,716 --> 00:28:06,551
or other people that could use it
and that type of thing.

548
00:28:06,551 --> 00:28:09,621
And in line with
that would get these donations.

549
00:28:09,621 --> 00:28:12,390
And one day it's like, well,
the president of the bank,

550
00:28:12,390 --> 00:28:13,591
we're merging with another bank.

551
00:28:13,591 --> 00:28:15,827
So his office is being cleaned out.

552
00:28:15,827 --> 00:28:18,897
So we paid some money
and got everything in the office.

553
00:28:18,930 --> 00:28:20,031
It was that kind of a sale.

554
00:28:20,031 --> 00:28:24,536
And if it was this little T30
ThinkPad laptop,

555
00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:29,574
which I used for a long time afterwards,
I mean, in 1995 96, whenever

556
00:28:29,641 --> 00:28:34,179
it would have had to have been 95, 96
because it was running windows 95.

557
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:36,948
Yeah, I remember the windows 95. Yeah.

558
00:28:36,948 --> 00:28:40,919
And having a color 640 by 480

559
00:28:40,952 --> 00:28:45,023
laptop in that era was a really big deal.

560
00:28:45,023 --> 00:28:46,958
I mean, you know, hard
drive in the whole bit.

561
00:28:46,958 --> 00:28:50,962
You look at it now, it's like, okay, but
no, it was not something you could afford.

562
00:28:50,962 --> 00:28:52,097
These things were in the

563
00:28:52,097 --> 00:28:56,134
thousands of dollars, like 4 or $5000
to buy some of this equipment.

564
00:28:56,134 --> 00:29:00,638
And, and didn't it have also ports in it
to like the walking station,

565
00:29:00,638 --> 00:29:02,340
which also was kind of a big deal.

566
00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:05,910
It was what we probably call a sub
notebook these days.

567
00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:09,247
But at that time I don't think that term
had been coined yet. No.

568
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:14,119
And so this is one where I was talking
to a friend who's a YouTube content

569
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:17,555
creator that used to work for Microsoft,
and we were talking about it.

570
00:29:17,555 --> 00:29:20,558
He was like, oh, you have this, it's
got a time bomb in it.

571
00:29:20,792 --> 00:29:22,594
And so, Gretchen, you pulled it out.

572
00:29:22,594 --> 00:29:25,263
And what do we find, a time bomb?

573
00:29:25,263 --> 00:29:28,399
Oh my God, I felt so bad

574
00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:32,237
because I'd take
I had taken really good care of it.

575
00:29:32,237 --> 00:29:33,972
I stored it nicely.

576
00:29:33,972 --> 00:29:37,142
It was in its case, it was not in a hot or

577
00:29:37,142 --> 00:29:40,411
super cold area or or moist area.

578
00:29:40,478 --> 00:29:41,713
I thought it was fine.

579
00:29:41,713 --> 00:29:46,951
I didn't know that the battery
was going to vomit acid all over it.

580
00:29:47,218 --> 00:29:50,355
So that is getting to the point
of anything like this.

581
00:29:50,355 --> 00:29:53,091
Even modern electronics
take the batteries out

582
00:29:53,091 --> 00:29:54,793
if you're not using them.

583
00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:57,162
So you know,
there's some basic maintenance stuff.

584
00:29:57,162 --> 00:29:59,464
You have a generator
that's gasoline powered, drain

585
00:29:59,464 --> 00:30:01,199
the fuel out of it
when you're gonna put it in storage,

586
00:30:01,199 --> 00:30:03,701
or your carburetor will become unhappy
with you.

587
00:30:03,701 --> 00:30:07,172
Same kind of an idea
applies to these type of things.

588
00:30:07,172 --> 00:30:09,707
You leave batteries in something they will
leak.

589
00:30:09,707 --> 00:30:11,943
I'm still looking for my blip.

590
00:30:11,943 --> 00:30:14,112
Yeah, well, we had that.

591
00:30:14,112 --> 00:30:17,916
We had a little Walkman
that we unpacked from one of your boxes.

592
00:30:17,916 --> 00:30:20,819
The battery compartment looked like
it had a disease.

593
00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:23,988
It is definitely,
you know, these type of things.

594
00:30:23,988 --> 00:30:25,190
And the problem of it is,

595
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:28,693
is that the acid, the alkaline
that comes out of the batteries

596
00:30:29,294 --> 00:30:33,865
will corrode everything
in your piece of equipment and destroy it.

597
00:30:33,898 --> 00:30:38,436
And these this, this is something
that can absolutely make it to a point

598
00:30:38,436 --> 00:30:41,472
where it's not even a feasibility issue
at some points anymore.

599
00:30:41,472 --> 00:30:44,108
It's just it's
the end of the end of the line.

600
00:30:44,108 --> 00:30:47,912
And in the case of the ThinkPad,
the baby laptop, we had a situation

601
00:30:47,912 --> 00:30:50,882
where the battery started leaking
both of them.

602
00:30:50,882 --> 00:30:55,353
Also, the internal Bios battery started
leaking the Ram battery,

603
00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:59,757
and it kind of exploded
and the capacitor started leaking.

604
00:30:59,891 --> 00:31:04,195
And all this stuff put together
looks like it exploded or something.

605
00:31:04,229 --> 00:31:06,865
I don't know how to describe that. Yeah.

606
00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:10,635
And the one thing that we're a little bit
lucky on this and we are going to restore

607
00:31:10,635 --> 00:31:12,470
it is the video components of it,

608
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:15,573
which were the big deal
with the keyboard on that.

609
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,142
We're in a metal can
and in the upper part of it.

610
00:31:18,142 --> 00:31:23,181
So that part is still working 
and the case itself is still okay.

611
00:31:23,181 --> 00:31:25,216
We're going to have to replace
the motherboard and some stuff like that.

612
00:31:25,216 --> 00:31:27,552
But that's item number one.

613
00:31:27,552 --> 00:31:30,555
Take your batteries out if you're going to
store it for any more than a little bit.

614
00:31:30,588 --> 00:31:32,190
And again, it's not even just retro tech.

615
00:31:32,190 --> 00:31:35,894
We use pocket recorders here at User
Friendly, and we're constantly having it

616
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,130
when a season ends and the next season
starts, the 2 or 3 of them get destroyed

617
00:31:39,130 --> 00:31:41,666
because the batteries were left in over
the winter.

618
00:31:41,666 --> 00:31:45,270
And oh, it's a problem.

619
00:31:45,637 --> 00:31:48,139
Yes, that's why
there's been numerous emails about that.

620
00:31:48,139 --> 00:31:50,742
But anyway, you want to check this out.

621
00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:54,145
And this isn't again,
related to just alkaline batteries.

622
00:31:54,145 --> 00:31:55,980
It's basically anything.

623
00:31:55,980 --> 00:31:59,651
If you're going to store your device, it
has a battery, pull the battery out of it.

624
00:31:59,651 --> 00:32:02,320
We just did that with your game,
boys, Gretchen.

625
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,123
And the batteries looked fine.
But it's not that.

626
00:32:05,123 --> 00:32:08,793
It's because they can kind of be fine
one day and not the next.

627
00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:11,896
Second rule is if you have something

628
00:32:11,896 --> 00:32:15,600
that you haven't used
in a while, don't immediately plug it in.

629
00:32:18,202 --> 00:32:18,736
This is a

630
00:32:18,736 --> 00:32:22,640
common
thing to do, but it is something that

631
00:32:23,274 --> 00:32:28,713
you want to really check things
through a little bit before you do that.

632
00:32:28,746 --> 00:32:30,882
It can be the difference
between having something

633
00:32:30,882 --> 00:32:33,117
that will work again
and something that will never work again.

634
00:32:33,117 --> 00:32:36,854
You want to give it an inspection,
so there's some things you look for

635
00:32:36,854 --> 00:32:39,257
inside, and we're going to get into this
in a little more detail here.

636
00:32:39,257 --> 00:32:42,860
But first of all is swollen
or leaking capacitors.

637
00:32:43,161 --> 00:32:44,495
Pastor plague is a thing.

638
00:32:44,495 --> 00:32:46,431
We're going to talk about that
in a little bit here.

639
00:32:46,431 --> 00:32:52,203
But these are little round canned devices
that are in pretty much everything.

640
00:32:52,203 --> 00:32:54,105
There's different versions of it.

641
00:32:54,105 --> 00:32:58,176
If you're, say, a collector of retro
Macintosh stuff, there's surface

642
00:32:58,176 --> 00:33:01,512
mount capacitors that seem to be going bad
and eating through everything.

643
00:33:01,946 --> 00:33:03,848
Older stuff might be through hole.

644
00:33:03,848 --> 00:33:06,918
Look online for pictures of these things,
but if they're leaking,

645
00:33:06,918 --> 00:33:10,455
if they're swollen, that kind of a thing
that can be a problem.

646
00:33:10,455 --> 00:33:13,558
And if you can catch it
before they get real bad and replace them,

647
00:33:13,558 --> 00:33:17,095
or at least remove them,
you'll save yourself a lot of grief.

648
00:33:17,095 --> 00:33:22,700
So I have a question,
because I'm assuming not everybody is a

649
00:33:24,202 --> 00:33:25,870
retro

650
00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:29,707
device
enthusiast and understands these things.

651
00:33:29,707 --> 00:33:32,710
What about where do you take this stuff?

652
00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:35,580
What the like? Have someone fix it?

653
00:33:35,580 --> 00:33:39,584
Yeah, or to open it up and look for you
if you don't know.

654
00:33:39,817 --> 00:33:40,551
Okay.

655
00:33:40,551 --> 00:33:42,220
The best way to handle something
like that.

656
00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:43,621
There. Really?

657
00:33:43,621 --> 00:33:46,991
I'm sure there's still some out there,
but like the idea of a television repair

658
00:33:46,991 --> 00:33:49,994
shop or something,
or computer repair shop,

659
00:33:49,994 --> 00:33:52,330
these things don't exist
like they used to.

660
00:33:52,330 --> 00:33:52,730
And there's

661
00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:54,265
I know there's still a few computer stores

662
00:33:54,265 --> 00:33:56,868
around in things,
but even there, if you went in

663
00:33:56,868 --> 00:33:58,069
with something that was 40 years

664
00:33:58,069 --> 00:34:01,472
old, I don't know that they're going to
really be able to help you much with it.

665
00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:03,307
The best way is to go online.

666
00:34:03,307 --> 00:34:07,011
There's groups on Facebook and Discord
and other places of communities.

667
00:34:07,011 --> 00:34:10,882
There's a lot of enthusiasts
and retro technology and specific kinds

668
00:34:10,982 --> 00:34:14,619
where you can usually go online,
ask the question, send pictures.

669
00:34:14,619 --> 00:34:17,655
And that's the best way
to get advice on these things.

670
00:34:17,655 --> 00:34:21,626
And one of the positives is, is a lot of
these groups are starting to manufacture

671
00:34:21,626 --> 00:34:23,594
their own replacements for parts
that are long

672
00:34:23,594 --> 00:34:26,531
since out of production and things,
so it usually is possible to fix.

673
00:34:27,698 --> 00:34:28,933
But that's where you would go.

674
00:34:28,933 --> 00:34:32,303
And Gretchen, it's also a valid question
because in a lot of things you're dealing

675
00:34:32,303 --> 00:34:35,440
with mains voltages. Capacitors
hold power.

676
00:34:35,473 --> 00:34:38,176
So you do want to be careful
if you don't know what you're doing

677
00:34:38,176 --> 00:34:41,345
or don't know how to do it safely,
get some help from somebody that does

678
00:34:41,379 --> 00:34:43,481
and the help is available out there.

679
00:34:43,481 --> 00:34:46,951
There's a lot of people
that do different things that do that.

680
00:34:46,984 --> 00:34:49,620
Corroded batteries is something to look
for that we just talked about.

681
00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:53,758
Another one is rust
and another one that I've run into.

682
00:34:53,791 --> 00:34:58,162
A little bit of a surprise the first time
with the arcade cabinets is rodents.

683
00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:01,265
They seem to love to make their nests
inside things

684
00:35:01,265 --> 00:35:04,268
like Gaelic games.

685
00:35:05,636 --> 00:35:08,239
And I know when we restored
the Wizard of War, there weren't rodents.

686
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,476
But I think there must have been
more spiders in that thing than a colony.

687
00:35:11,642 --> 00:35:15,279
It was definitely, you know, stuff
you want to look at and deal with.

688
00:35:15,313 --> 00:35:19,317
And the problem with these things
is animals get in and will eat wires

689
00:35:19,317 --> 00:35:20,151
and that kind of stuff.

690
00:35:20,151 --> 00:35:24,322
And if you just plug it in,
what can happen here is you have a short

691
00:35:24,322 --> 00:35:26,057
and it starts burning stuff up.

692
00:35:26,057 --> 00:35:29,427
If you find the damage
and can fix the wiring problem beforehand,

693
00:35:29,427 --> 00:35:31,562
then you won't have that type of a thing.

694
00:35:31,562 --> 00:35:36,000
Other stuff like broken wires
and burn components or things to look for.

695
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:38,803
And one of the other

696
00:35:39,937 --> 00:35:43,074
things that I think it's very important on
this is dealing with power supplies.

697
00:35:43,074 --> 00:35:45,376
Now we're getting to an area here
where you do

698
00:35:45,376 --> 00:35:48,146
have a little bit of technical expertise
to be able to figure this out,

699
00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:52,016
but Commodore 64
computers really suffer from this,

700
00:35:52,016 --> 00:35:56,721
and a lot of other things
do where the power supplies, usually

701
00:35:56,721 --> 00:36:00,424
linear power supplies, are two main types
of power supplies linear and switching.

702
00:36:00,424 --> 00:36:02,193
Switching are the modern ones.

703
00:36:02,193 --> 00:36:04,695
The older stuff doesn't
necessarily have that.

704
00:36:04,695 --> 00:36:08,332
And what will happen is, is when the power
supply fails, it'll do 1 or 2 things.

705
00:36:08,332 --> 00:36:11,335
It'll stop working altogether,
which is kind of what you hope

706
00:36:11,936 --> 00:36:14,872
it'll start delivering more voltage
than it's supposed to.

707
00:36:14,872 --> 00:36:19,977
And that can cause catastrophic failures
in whatever your device might be.

708
00:36:19,977 --> 00:36:24,582
And there's actually a really good,
in my opinion, content creator

709
00:36:24,582 --> 00:36:28,986
called the eight bit guy on YouTube that
had this happen on one of his episodes,

710
00:36:28,986 --> 00:36:31,989
he was showing off a voice system
on his Commodore 64,

711
00:36:31,989 --> 00:36:32,590
and all of a sudden

712
00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:36,260
the whole thing stopped working
and he was on a regular power supply

713
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:38,496
and it burned out the cartridge,
the computer,

714
00:36:38,496 --> 00:36:42,400
the voice synthesizer module,
which was kind of unique, and everything

715
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,669
else that was connected to it
because it went from delivering,

716
00:36:44,669 --> 00:36:49,240
I think, nine volts to 40 in the space
of about ten minutes. So

717
00:36:50,241 --> 00:36:52,944
it is worth the investment
to replace some of these things.

718
00:36:52,944 --> 00:36:54,345
Now, on the things like the

719
00:36:54,345 --> 00:36:58,683
Atari computers and the Sega consoles
and some of these other things,

720
00:36:58,716 --> 00:37:00,251
they actually do run off five volts.

721
00:37:00,251 --> 00:37:03,020
So there's some kits out there
you can get to convert them over to USB.

722
00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:07,959
So you no longer even need the power
bricks, which is really kind of nice.

723
00:37:07,992 --> 00:37:12,363
You know,
I have an Atari XJS eight bit computer,

724
00:37:12,363 --> 00:37:16,033
which was a video game console
based on their original eight bit line

725
00:37:16,133 --> 00:37:19,637
that came out in the late 80s,
that I just have a converter

726
00:37:19,637 --> 00:37:20,705
and I plug it into USB,

727
00:37:20,705 --> 00:37:23,708
and the original power brick
was this big, huge, heavy thing.

728
00:37:23,741 --> 00:37:27,311
The USB is regulated,
you know, and all of that type of thing.

729
00:37:27,311 --> 00:37:30,381
So it saved having to buy
what would have been an $80 power

730
00:37:30,381 --> 00:37:33,217
supply replacement,
and it's safer to use it that way.

731
00:37:33,217 --> 00:37:33,918
So it's an option.

732
00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:36,921
Not everything you can do that way,
but that is definitely something

733
00:37:37,154 --> 00:37:37,788
that's the case.

734
00:37:37,788 --> 00:37:39,457
And then the other thing of it
is, is to see

735
00:37:39,457 --> 00:37:43,160
if someone else has been in there
before you previous repairs. I

736
00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:46,530
commend the community
and you've got to learn somewhere,

737
00:37:46,530 --> 00:37:48,099
and there's nothing wrong with that.

738
00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:52,270
But a lot of retro equipment you get now
might be someone else's project

739
00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:55,506
that they've given up on,
so you want to make sure that they didn't

740
00:37:55,506 --> 00:37:59,710
do something that is going to cause
problems, you know, that kind of a thing.

741
00:37:59,710 --> 00:38:02,113
And if they did repair something
that's done correctly,

742
00:38:02,113 --> 00:38:04,348
my experience with
that is most of the time it is.

743
00:38:04,348 --> 00:38:07,551
But there are times
I've run into some really weird things.

744
00:38:07,585 --> 00:38:10,154
A lot can happen in 40 years, you know?

745
00:38:10,154 --> 00:38:10,755
Yeah.

746
00:38:10,755 --> 00:38:15,593
So again, your power source is batteries
and your

747
00:38:16,827 --> 00:38:18,996
power supplies are a big deal.

748
00:38:18,996 --> 00:38:22,533
There was another thing
that you would bring up when we're trying

749
00:38:22,533 --> 00:38:27,505
to open something that is like 40
or 30 years old, that some of the plastic

750
00:38:27,505 --> 00:38:30,975
can get kind of brittle
and you have to be really careful.

751
00:38:31,275 --> 00:38:34,111
Otherwise
you might actually break it, like

752
00:38:34,111 --> 00:38:37,682
I kind of did on my Merlin brittle
plastic.

753
00:38:37,748 --> 00:38:39,116
Yes. Yeah.

754
00:38:39,116 --> 00:38:43,020
And I think it's a good point to remember
this equipment was not made

755
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:47,058
from the concept of somebody's
going to be using it 40 years from now.

756
00:38:47,391 --> 00:38:47,858
Yeah.

757
00:38:47,858 --> 00:38:49,994
The only reason arcade cabinets are built

758
00:38:49,994 --> 00:38:51,962
as well as they are,
because they were in an environment

759
00:38:51,962 --> 00:38:53,798
where they were going to be abused
and in arcade.

760
00:38:53,798 --> 00:38:54,999
So that helps.

761
00:38:54,999 --> 00:38:59,637
But again, the idea is not that
we're making something that you can use,

762
00:38:59,670 --> 00:39:00,638
you know, on down the road.

763
00:39:00,638 --> 00:39:03,074
So yes, the plastics are a big deal.

764
00:39:03,074 --> 00:39:03,974
Things break.

765
00:39:03,974 --> 00:39:04,508
Now, Gretchen,

766
00:39:04,508 --> 00:39:09,080
you're talking about a merlin,
which is a late 70s little handheld game.

767
00:39:10,548 --> 00:39:12,083
Tell us a little bit about it.

768
00:39:12,083 --> 00:39:14,318
Oh, it was
it kind of looked like a telephone.

769
00:39:14,318 --> 00:39:18,856
And there were a variety of,
like, sound and memory games

770
00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:21,859
that you could play with it and it

771
00:39:21,892 --> 00:39:24,628
you would just play these different games.

772
00:39:24,628 --> 00:39:28,065
And it had was batteries
that you would use

773
00:39:28,065 --> 00:39:31,902
and yeah, you had me

774
00:39:32,002 --> 00:39:35,940
checking it to make sure the batteries
didn't do something bad.

775
00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:36,907
And they did.

776
00:39:36,907 --> 00:39:41,245
But when I was trying to open it
and I wasn't rough with it, I,

777
00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:43,881
I broke the back door. Yeah.

778
00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:48,786
And you had to have someone
do a special repair for me.

779
00:39:48,819 --> 00:39:50,521
Replacement for it. So. Yeah.

780
00:39:50,521 --> 00:39:54,058
So Gretchen's 1978 in box Merlin

781
00:39:54,291 --> 00:39:56,460
with the instructions,
with the instructions

782
00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:59,997
and the original carton
and in perfect cosmetic condition

783
00:40:00,030 --> 00:40:01,399
after we hired an armored car

784
00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:05,136
to bring it from her house to my lab,
we got it out to take a look at it.

785
00:40:05,136 --> 00:40:07,338
And the the battery cover had just broken.

786
00:40:07,338 --> 00:40:09,073
And again, nothing you did wrong.

787
00:40:09,073 --> 00:40:11,242
It just broke because of the age.

788
00:40:11,242 --> 00:40:11,609
Yeah.

789
00:40:11,609 --> 00:40:14,311
And yeah, the batteries had leaked
in that one quite badly.

790
00:40:14,311 --> 00:40:19,183
We actually had to change the keypad on it
because it had gotten into the contacts,

791
00:40:19,216 --> 00:40:22,219
the battery acid.

792
00:40:22,219 --> 00:40:24,822
And, you know, again, fortunately, there's

793
00:40:24,822 --> 00:40:27,825
enough of a community
that you're able to get the parts.

794
00:40:28,025 --> 00:40:29,493
You got to find the blip.

795
00:40:29,493 --> 00:40:31,061
I got to find the blip and the

796
00:40:31,061 --> 00:40:34,265
and the other little game
that looks like you're playing baseball.

797
00:40:34,298 --> 00:40:38,235
It was really popular during the mid 70s.

798
00:40:38,269 --> 00:40:39,136
These little hand.

799
00:40:39,136 --> 00:40:44,041
There was football, baseball
and basketball, and I had the baseball one

800
00:40:44,041 --> 00:40:47,878
and a little red dot would,
you know, go around to the bases.

801
00:40:48,746 --> 00:40:51,816
I'm sure anybody my age would go,

802
00:40:51,816 --> 00:40:55,352
oh yeah, I remember somebody who had one
series of games like that.

803
00:40:55,386 --> 00:40:57,354
They are mechanical.

804
00:40:57,354 --> 00:40:59,056
And that's the other thing
you want to think about

805
00:40:59,056 --> 00:41:01,592
is you don't want to just throw batteries
in them, because little motor

806
00:41:01,592 --> 00:41:02,960
sees up over time and stuff.

807
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,763
And in a lot of cases,
if you go through and lubricate the thing

808
00:41:05,763 --> 00:41:08,032
and you'll get it back and running,
but if you put power to it

809
00:41:08,032 --> 00:41:10,935
and the motor can't work,
it'll just burn it out.

810
00:41:10,935 --> 00:41:14,171
And that can be unobtainable
to try to replace those.

811
00:41:14,171 --> 00:41:15,773
So, you know

812
00:41:16,907 --> 00:41:18,275
again I think all right.

813
00:41:18,275 --> 00:41:19,777
So let's talk capacitors a little bit

814
00:41:19,777 --> 00:41:22,313
because we kind of talked about this
in the beginning of this segment.

815
00:41:22,313 --> 00:41:24,515
And this is something
I get a lot of questions on.

816
00:41:24,515 --> 00:41:29,787
And again if you are somebody that's
just getting into this or just curious,

817
00:41:29,787 --> 00:41:33,290
there's a lot of places to go online
and watch videos about capacitors.

818
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:34,825
Even look at pictures
to see what they are.

819
00:41:34,825 --> 00:41:36,961
They come in a lot of different styles
and designs.

820
00:41:36,961 --> 00:41:39,663
A little too much of a deep
dive to get into here,

821
00:41:39,663 --> 00:41:42,032
except for one style
which is called an electrolytic

822
00:41:42,032 --> 00:41:44,668
capacitors,
which seems to cause a lot of problems.

823
00:41:44,668 --> 00:41:50,107
And what happens
is they start leaking and the solution

824
00:41:50,107 --> 00:41:53,677
in that stuff starts leaking
and it will get into everything else.

825
00:41:53,677 --> 00:41:56,180
I've seen pinball machines
where capacitors

826
00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:57,982
and batteries have leaked,
and it actually starts

827
00:41:57,982 --> 00:42:00,751
going over the wiring
from one board to the other. Somehow.

828
00:42:00,751 --> 00:42:02,453
I do not know how that works.

829
00:42:02,453 --> 00:42:05,356
I'm sure somebody in the chemistry
could describe it, but it is.

830
00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:07,691
It's like getting cancer in it

831
00:42:07,691 --> 00:42:11,161
and trying to get rid of
it can be a huge, huge mess.

832
00:42:11,161 --> 00:42:15,466
But the YouTube community
seems to have this idea

833
00:42:15,666 --> 00:42:18,502
that the first thing you should do
is replace all the capacitors.

834
00:42:18,502 --> 00:42:21,071
And this is also not true.

835
00:42:21,071 --> 00:42:24,441
Not every capacitor is a bad capacitor,
and you have to look at some different

836
00:42:24,441 --> 00:42:27,411
things and decide
what's going on from that.

837
00:42:27,611 --> 00:42:28,913
These have gone through phases.

838
00:42:28,913 --> 00:42:31,815
So in the 90s
there was a bad capacitor time.

839
00:42:31,815 --> 00:42:36,353
And you were talking about in the 2000
this happened to I think, yeah, around

840
00:42:36,353 --> 00:42:40,591
2007, 2008, at least it happened in Dell.

841
00:42:40,791 --> 00:42:41,959
Yeah. I'll just be honest.

842
00:42:41,959 --> 00:42:45,029
It was a double computer problem
and it was one system

843
00:42:45,029 --> 00:42:46,864
and they got a bad running capacitors.

844
00:42:46,864 --> 00:42:49,733
And I probably swapped out
100 motherboards.

845
00:42:49,733 --> 00:42:53,370
So you were actually involved in the
in the repair of that at that time.

846
00:42:53,370 --> 00:42:55,573
Because I know there's
a lot of accusations

847
00:42:55,573 --> 00:42:58,842
that Dell wasn't completely coming
clean on what was going on either.

848
00:42:58,876 --> 00:43:02,112
And it was a situation

849
00:43:02,146 --> 00:43:06,650
where Inspiron I think wasn't an Inspiron
that were experiencing spirit.

850
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:10,521
Yeah, yeah, it was it was a
it was a business computer.

851
00:43:10,721 --> 00:43:10,988
Yeah.

852
00:43:10,988 --> 00:43:15,259
It's the kind of dark gray black box
that everyone had.

853
00:43:15,693 --> 00:43:17,494
And it believe it or not.

854
00:43:17,494 --> 00:43:20,497
Those are retro
and somewhat collectible now.

855
00:43:20,497 --> 00:43:25,002
And and what Bill is talking about
is they got bad capacitors.

856
00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:28,372
The story on this
and I haven't been able to verify it,

857
00:43:28,372 --> 00:43:33,210
is that the company that was manufacturing
the capacitors originally, Dale

858
00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:36,680
went to another company
to source them cheaper, and it was like

859
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,551
some sort of an industrial espionage thing
that the original engineer

860
00:43:40,551 --> 00:43:43,354
that was making them for the company
that originally manufactured

861
00:43:43,354 --> 00:43:47,424
and moved to this other company,
but wasn't given the whole formula.

862
00:43:47,424 --> 00:43:51,762
So what he started doing
based on their original thing,

863
00:43:51,762 --> 00:43:53,931
created a capacitor
that was good for a year or two

864
00:43:53,931 --> 00:43:56,934
and then would start leaking
because it was missing stuff.

865
00:43:57,034 --> 00:43:59,436
I'm sure there's a better
way to explain that, but

866
00:44:00,504 --> 00:44:02,272
wow. And that sense, you know,

867
00:44:02,272 --> 00:44:05,175
that's what we were dealing with,
which means you have a period in there

868
00:44:05,175 --> 00:44:10,881
where your computer, if you don't change
the caps, it's probably already too late.

869
00:44:10,881 --> 00:44:11,749
And if you're lucky enough

870
00:44:11,749 --> 00:44:13,384
and want one of those,
they're becoming collectible

871
00:44:13,384 --> 00:44:16,020
because there's not
that many of them still out there.

872
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:19,757
The other one that we talked about
was the early Macs.

873
00:44:19,757 --> 00:44:23,794
So this would be like your Mac classic,
your tools that era

874
00:44:24,194 --> 00:44:28,799
the onboard capacitors,
especially on the logic board.

875
00:44:28,799 --> 00:44:32,302
The analog board fared a little better,
but they can have their problems too.

876
00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:35,673
But the logic board, the surface
mount caps start leaking.

877
00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:39,476
And then if you have your pyramid battery
blow up on top of that,

878
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:42,579
you have a toxic wasteland
inside of that thing

879
00:44:42,579 --> 00:44:45,282
that is going to be very difficult
to repair.

880
00:44:45,282 --> 00:44:46,850
And it's gone to an extent

881
00:44:46,850 --> 00:44:49,420
now that in the retro Mac community,
they actually have people

882
00:44:49,420 --> 00:44:53,590
that have designed new, better boards,
some of the chips you can't get any more.

883
00:44:53,590 --> 00:44:56,960
So what you do is
you actually have the company like PCB way

884
00:44:56,994 --> 00:45:00,064
or something, manufacture
the motherboard, you get it back

885
00:45:00,064 --> 00:45:01,098
and then you transplant

886
00:45:01,098 --> 00:45:03,267
the chips that you can't
get to the new one, replace

887
00:45:03,267 --> 00:45:05,402
all the other components
and repair it that way.

888
00:45:05,402 --> 00:45:08,372
And that's a lot of work.

889
00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:10,340
Oh yeah.

890
00:45:10,340 --> 00:45:13,711
So YouTube creator this does not compute.

891
00:45:13,711 --> 00:45:15,179
Actually did a whole thing on that.

892
00:45:15,179 --> 00:45:18,882
And he actually had some boards made
and then had a little problem.

893
00:45:18,882 --> 00:45:20,384
These are some of the other things
you have to look for

894
00:45:20,384 --> 00:45:24,021
is that the boards that were made,
they put the wrong kind of diodes on it,

895
00:45:24,021 --> 00:45:26,156
so they couldn't get them up and running
until they figured it out.

896
00:45:26,156 --> 00:45:28,192
It was a factory error, I think.

897
00:45:28,192 --> 00:45:31,628
So then they had to go through
and they had like 50 boards made,

898
00:45:31,662 --> 00:45:34,865
and then they were having to go through
and hand replace something like

899
00:45:34,865 --> 00:45:38,302
ten diodes that were surface
mount components on each of these boards.

900
00:45:38,302 --> 00:45:40,237
That would be a lot of work to.

901
00:45:40,237 --> 00:45:42,639
But it's, you know, it's part of it.

902
00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:46,877
So if you can save all this
by avoiding it,

903
00:45:46,877 --> 00:45:50,948
by changing your capacitors
or having somebody do it for you

904
00:45:50,948 --> 00:45:55,586
in the event that it's actually needed,
then it will save you some things.

905
00:45:55,586 --> 00:45:57,921
I think batteries are far worse
than capacitors though.

906
00:45:57,921 --> 00:46:01,425
And again, it depends on the era
I was working on in television,

907
00:46:01,425 --> 00:46:04,661
which is an early game
console of the Atari era, early

908
00:46:04,695 --> 00:46:07,698
80s, full of capacitors,
and they're all fine.

909
00:46:08,532 --> 00:46:11,869
It's 40 years old,
but there's if I replaced them,

910
00:46:11,902 --> 00:46:13,537
what I'm putting in there
probably wouldn't

911
00:46:13,537 --> 00:46:15,372
last as long as these
would if I leave them alone.

912
00:46:15,372 --> 00:46:19,510
So you do have to consider that as well,
you know?

913
00:46:20,177 --> 00:46:25,883
But again, saving
this stuff is a matter now of maintenance.

914
00:46:25,883 --> 00:46:29,820
And as time goes by, it's becoming
a little bit more and more important.

915
00:46:29,853 --> 00:46:34,591
The other thing that's interesting too,
is that I found in some cases

916
00:46:34,591 --> 00:46:37,628
simply removing capacitors
in certain situations,

917
00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,997
if you're going to store
it is actually just fine,

918
00:46:39,997 --> 00:46:43,634
because not having the capacitor in there
does not necessarily mean it won't work.

919
00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:46,837
A lot of them are for filtering other
things for like line noise and stuff.

920
00:46:47,104 --> 00:46:52,309
Sometimes, if the best way you can tell,
usually if you have an issue like this,

921
00:46:52,342 --> 00:46:57,080
if you have a device that is working and
it starts to intermittently stop working.

922
00:46:57,114 --> 00:46:59,850
I'm having this right now
with one of my weather displays

923
00:46:59,850 --> 00:47:04,822
with a backlight is starting to act up,
and it's probably capacitors going out.

924
00:47:04,855 --> 00:47:07,858
It'll light up and sometimes it's dim
and that kind of a thing.

925
00:47:07,891 --> 00:47:11,895
These are things to look for
that would definitely look at that

926
00:47:11,962 --> 00:47:15,599
kind of a thing
as being a problem. So yeah.

927
00:47:19,303 --> 00:47:20,437
Definitely different things

928
00:47:20,437 --> 00:47:24,675
that take about and this is a topic
that we could go on for a long time.

929
00:47:24,675 --> 00:47:26,743
I don't know, Bill,
have you had any horror stories?

930
00:47:26,743 --> 00:47:27,344
You've run into this?

931
00:47:27,344 --> 00:47:29,947
I know you talked about Dell.

932
00:47:29,947 --> 00:47:31,348
That was the big one.

933
00:47:31,348 --> 00:47:35,252
I mean, I've had a few pieces
of other retro tech that I've opened up

934
00:47:35,319 --> 00:47:38,322
that have had bad caps that have popped.

935
00:47:40,357 --> 00:47:42,626
But honestly, my horror

936
00:47:42,626 --> 00:47:45,629
story was a lot wrapped wires.

937
00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:48,398
Oh, oh, tell us.

938
00:47:48,398 --> 00:47:49,800
We've got a few seconds here left.

939
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,401
Tell us about that.

940
00:47:51,401 --> 00:47:55,305
Well, in older electronics,
I used to use a lot of cloth wrapped ones

941
00:47:55,305 --> 00:47:58,575
and the cloth would just disintegrate,
leaving a completely bare wire.

942
00:47:59,509 --> 00:48:01,912
Oh, okay.

943
00:48:01,912 --> 00:48:04,414
And that can have, you know,
what could possibly go wrong there?

944
00:48:04,414 --> 00:48:08,385
You know, like the old Christmas lights.

945
00:48:08,418 --> 00:48:11,154
Really old ones. Well,
if you have anything. Yeah.

946
00:48:11,154 --> 00:48:13,957
They use cloth for
have wires in the walls at 1.2

947
00:48:13,957 --> 00:48:16,960
I think, you know, it's
that was the thing.

948
00:48:16,994 --> 00:48:19,997
The one thing I've run into is
I have a really old radio from the 30s I'm

949
00:48:19,997 --> 00:48:24,268
restoring that has asbestos wrapped wires,
which is breaking down.

950
00:48:24,268 --> 00:48:25,702
So that's the problem.

951
00:48:25,702 --> 00:48:29,573
Like I'm sending it to a professional
to clean that for me,

952
00:48:29,573 --> 00:48:32,376
that knows how to do it
properly and dispose of the waste from it,

953
00:48:32,376 --> 00:48:33,143
the way that's safe

954
00:48:33,143 --> 00:48:34,978
and all the rest of it,
because that's a little beyond

955
00:48:34,978 --> 00:48:37,581
my capability
or anything I'd be comfortable with.

956
00:48:37,581 --> 00:48:41,952
So, you know, definitely things to
think about, but do some research online.

957
00:48:41,952 --> 00:48:43,654
If this is something
that you're interested in.

958
00:48:43,654 --> 00:48:47,424
There is a huge community of people
that are very happy to help and

959
00:48:48,191 --> 00:48:51,295
are absolutely wonderful resources
to get this stuff out.

960
00:48:51,295 --> 00:48:53,897
And most of the time,
the problem you're having is something

961
00:48:53,897 --> 00:48:57,000
that somebody else has already experienced
and found a solution to.

962
00:48:57,034 --> 00:48:58,135
And till next week.

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00:48:58,135 --> 00:49:01,171
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